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Ciryandor
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I'm going to get my ass killed in day 1 again, no doubt about that. | ||
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No not you! I was referring to the last Newbie Game where I was killed N1 by being the only guy poking everyone to speak. On October 25 2011 21:33 kitaman27 wrote: Sorry Ciryandor, 3 games or less requirement. I think you've graduated from newbie land  Oh, DAMN, I thought 3 games meant 3 games completed (WaW+LotR+last Newbie) or less, i.e. after this mini I'd be completely out of newbie land; turns out it's for people with 0-2 games finished. Then /out for me if that's the case. | ||
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1. risk.nuke 2. HarbingerOfDoom 3. Toadesstern 4. Zanfada 5. xsksc 6. Ciryandor 7. hacklebeast 8. Skrammen 9. hyshes 10. Drem903 11. IMABUNNEH 12. Chocolate Toad, Zan, I've played with the both of you before, so you probably have a good idea of how town should play. Town will sink like the last time if people don't start talking. | ||
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1. risk.nuke 3. Toadesstern 7. hacklebeast 8. Skrammen 9. hyshes 11. IMABUNNEH 12. Chocolate Okay, let's start with this, we've got 5 of 12 already in the thread and generally just shooting the breeze. HoD, it's generally worth prodding people on the first day to be active so later days have enough information/statements for Town to work with and understand if one is being helpful to town or not. Sometimes it can be attributed to jitters or unfamiliarity with opponents, and people like to read on to that. This is why I want to track who's talked already. Zanfada is doing it right, pressuring people to talk and see if they're alive and well. He's played with me before and knows the value of pushing people. :p Hacklebeast seems to be a good choice, as he's an active forumer and ought to know we've started. Toad where are you? I expect you to start talking as well, especially given that you were DT then and couldn't really poke your head above the water so much, but had a nice game plan. Drem and xsksc, haha that's a nice way of getting some activity up. Let's look at other people now, we have more inactives to bear down on. In the same vein can we look at Chocolate? I like him/her/it. Yummy, definitely. Can we have a voting thread opened, or are we all voting here? | ||
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On October 30 2011 18:41 Toadesstern wrote: As mentioned 2 pages earlier, my father turned 60 yesterday and I obviously had to stay at the party. Now I'm kinda back! Sooooo guyses, lets get talking. I like the fact that zanfada is posting this game. Last game there was very little until lylo, which was too late so that's awesome. Good good, let's prod Chocolate until he melts from the spotlight or hardens up and talks to us. LOLOLO | ||
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On October 30 2011 20:36 IMABUNNEH wrote: Oops, ended up in bed early last night, game started 2am EU time which I'd normally be awake for :x Anyway I can't believe all those bronies died D= I~ don't know if I want to live in a place where someone would hurt ponies You're a bunneh, you're probably next after bronies. | ||
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On October 30 2011 22:10 Toadesstern wrote: ciry desperatly trying to not die on day1 this time Well, look where that brought town... but really, if we want town to get this game won we have to be on the ball. Just because everyone has chimed in as being present doesn't excuse you from being non-contributing in this game; so let's start digging in. Skrammen, just saying good day to all isn't enough yet, as Drem had already marked out xsksc randomly for his name. What do you think of this? Also, what about risk.nuke's reaction to Toadesstern's promptings for activity? Chocolate and hyshes, why no commentary on Hacklebeast's response to Zanfada's early pressure? Do you think it's warranted to react to early pressure in that way? Also, the same thing applies to IMABUNNEH, what are your views on three people getting focused on early? So we have three people who've pointed out three other guys for one of any sort of random reasons, and all of them have given some sort of reaction already. We already have something to work with here, and maybe a vote or two on them if you think their reaction or push is suspicious enough in your eyes. | ||
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On October 31 2011 01:01 Chocolate wrote: Posts for posting's sake is an empty phrase. Posts for the sake of truth, posts for the sake of the good and the beautiful, those are the posts that I am searching for. But seriously toad is looking a little suspicious. The people that would benefit the most from knowing who are dt/medic are the mafia. For the town, it's best if nobody knows, to present a difficult target. Not necessarily. Being active means that if you're scum, you have more chances of doing a scumslip because you either let something about the set-up or the players themselves be known, or that you tie yourself to fellow players and end up compromising part of your team with how you either defend them or not engage with them at all. In any case, if you think that Toad really is scummy, as I personally don't, given that I've played with him before and this is consistent with the play he's done, put it where your words are and vote him. | ||
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On October 31 2011 01:19 Drem903 wrote: Are you able to change you're vote after you have voted? If you're not able to change you're vote, then we also have to be very suspicious of zanfada. We both randomly chose a person to try and encourage discussion, but he actually voted. If you can't change you're vote, then that seems suspicious to me, as he seems in a hurry to lynch someone (anyone). If you can change you're vote, then it's no big deal, but it's still something to consider. From the GM post: 5. This game follows Extended Majority Lynch Rules. Majority = #of players remaining in the game/2) (rounded down) + 1. Unlike in traditional majority lynch, the lynch is NOT decided the moment majority is reached. Instead, only the final vote count matters. If there is no majority at the deadline, the day ends with a no lynch. Non-voters will be modkilled for failure to vote. You can change your vote if you wish to do so. | ||
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So I'll summarize what we have: Lots of suspicion (from HoD, risk, xsksc, Chocolate, hyshes) on Toad for prompting productive activity ; which was essentially what I was doing as well. Some suspicion on Zanfada as well (from hyshes and Chocolate), admittedly minor, for doing lots of "filler talk". A bit of shifty eyes on me for basically posting a rule answering a green-lined post, which was interpreted as defending a player. What's interesting to me is why hyshes and Chocolate have flip-flopped between Zanfada and Toadesstern without committing to one of the two as their vote. If you really want to pressure them or think they're suspicious enough, then go and cast a vote. I personally have a good vote that I want to expound on right now, but I want to see more posting from that person before I cast it, as it may yield more information on him. | ||
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On October 31 2011 14:07 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: The only person I have called out my suspicion on is Skrammen. Since he hasn't said anything since then, I remain suspicious of him. Bunneh, Drem, and Skraamen have also mentioned Zanfada as someone to watch. I find it interesting that you miss out on all of those as well as call the suspicion on him minor. However, you seem to be genuinely trying to create discussion, so try to be more accurate with your summaries. Their relevant quotes: + Show Spoiler + Fron Bunneh: Yeah. Maybe they were just trying to get the ball rolling, or maybe they were trying to start people recieving flak early on. I'd go out on a limb and put odds on at least one of them being scum. From Drem: Zanfada also has not posted at all since his initial accusation, so he should also be one to consider for now. From Skraamen: 4 hours into the game and you go on and try to stir some discussion up? He wasnt the only one who had said nothing up to that point, why did you choose him? It seems a little bit... Dodgy to use a vote to pressure someone into talking more so soon I think. All that being said, I would like to hear more from xsksc, Drem, hacklebeast, risk.nuke, and Skrammen. All of these players have been relatively quiet now and I would like to hear what their current scum reads/suspicions are. I didn't specifically miss out on them, but what I was getting at is that compared to the FoS pointed to Toad, Zanfada's relative exposure, and the corresponding nitpicks that come with it, are lesser and were made by the people I highlighted. Do note that I don't usually use filters when I go through posts, because it loses a lot of the context; but filtering does highlight player slips when it happens. In this case, I'm trying to narrow down on whether Zanfada's posts are just his regular filler posts like his last game, or if he's being non-committal, but I'd like to also highlight Chocolate and hyshes' posts for being wishy-washy about who they want to vote for, because being active yet not putting on vote pressure is bad form; it lets players get away with less reasons for someone to not pile on them. As you said, sooner or later we have to choose someone to lynch. | ||
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On November 01 2011 00:55 Toadesstern wrote: that first sentence just made no sense, fixed it and hopefully it's clear what my intention was. It's the time of day for most people. I'm about to sleep, so I'll miss around 8 hours of discussion, but I feel that Skrammen has been able to coast by the most, and next to that would be Drem903. Putting pressure on him and explaining my vote to follow: ## Vote Skrammen Skrammen's first game post is a greeting, nothing wrong there, but it's fluff to make sure he doesn't get modkilled. On October 31 2011 05:40 Skrammen wrote: 4 hours into the game and you go on and try to stir some discussion up? He wasnt the only one who had said nothing up to that point, why did you choose him? It seems a little bit... Dodgy to use a vote to pressure someone into talking more so soon I think. And just a head's up: Since we have people from both sides of the pond in this game there is bound to be somewhat of a delay in answers and people might be working or sleeping when some discussions takes place. We should be somewhat tolerant of this, but obviously 24 hours of no posting is not good. Now here he looks at Zanfada's early pressure and thinks it's scummy to randomly highlight someone, when it's actually good town play to be non-discriminating; then proceeds to state the obvious that certain conversation delays are going to happen simply because of timezones. On October 31 2011 23:10 Skrammen wrote: Ah. Well, you see I was only trying to clarify some things so they are clear. I did not however, encourage it. + Show Spoiler + The only people that benefit from a delayed discussion is obviously the mafia, they'd rather it never happen. Also, while his statement is true, I think it was fairly obvious to most people, and scum always like to have an excuse to fall back on. I think we both might be talking without saying anything now; both of these things are quite obvious, yet we both had to say it. What I said was just that; A head's up just in case people did not know. Honestly I think this is pretty bad grounds for accusations. I still maintain that a vote 4 hours into the game is pretty suspicious, but not enough to be convinced he is red. + Show Spoiler + I can take my vote back at any time. The vote was just there to promote talking which it did just that. What was alot more interesting was Toad's post and how it was received. I personally think blues should post and help the town or they stand out to mafia and playing safe and become much better targets. Also mafia rarely mention blues for the simple fact that it makes them look more like mafia hunting for blues with any mention of blues. The same goes for blues themselves, they want to hide with town and do their job. I think Toad was just trying to prevent what happened last game to happen this game. However his post doesn't say anything more then "post guys" which doesn't further along any conversation it just increase his post count which in my opinion is all mafia try to do for the first day. On October 30 2011 22:54 hacklebeast wrote: Show nested quote + Unnecessarily trying to start a town panic? Baseless accusing people that, under your own admission, have no evidence against? Sounds like very mafia things to do. I'm not going to go so far as to cast my vote yet, but I'm watching you. Besides, I could never have committed the crime. Gmarshal I could take or leave, but killing ponies? I don't have it in me to take out something this lovable. I wasn't starting a town panic, though it seems to have caused you to panic a little. Your response to my vote seems to be an emotional plea involving ponies and a FOS but little more then that. It seems as if you are trying to not draw any sort of attention to yourself even after a vote has already been placed on you. Normally I would take this as a scum tell but it seems more like a newbie tell then a mafia at this point. Then there is Ciryandor, he defended me and my baseless attack on someone. The only time I usually am defended is when scum are trying to buddy up with me. Or since he has played a few games he is just trying to let newbies know what I was doing. Still FOS for now. This is his answer to why he did it, and to be honest, it worked, he got stuff going which is good. I will be keeping an eye out, but at this point his reasoning seems good enough for me. As you said earlier, delaying discussion is indicative of scummy behaviour, or perhaps it might not be? An elaborate ruse? Here in this post he's very much guilty of pointing out something that works towards the scum-team's advantage, and that is to have fluff conversations regarding people who merit suspicion, but not applying enough pressure for him to actually do a vote. Three posts, two on a very weak FoS, just enough to evade proper scrutiny. I think this is worth my vote. | ||
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On October 30 2011 11:27 Drem903 wrote: Whoever killed GMarshal must hate friendship, quite a bit.. and ponies. He is probably the worst type of scum to ever exist. On October 30 2011 13:48 Drem903 wrote: using extensive analysis, and some complex theory. I have decided to blame xsksc for the murder, because his name is impossible to pronounce, I see a parallel with the last mini game, where scum wanted to jump the gun a bit using some very speculative reason to create an FoS on someone; but in this case this is tempered by the fact that he did not vote on xsksc. Then when he realizes nobody really bit his bait: On October 30 2011 15:39 Drem903 wrote: If you're telling the truth that you're name really is just a random assortment of levels, then i will no longer blame you. I had assumed that you were possessed by some kind of devil, hence the inhuman name. He plays it off as an attempt to stir conversation... On October 31 2011 00:53 Drem903 wrote: The thing with xsksc was pretty much just a joke to try and get the ball rolling. The only person that has really garnered any suspicion from me is bunneh, and that's only because his posts seem to be "posts for the sake of posting" rather than trying to really get anything dones. He only seems to post to try and appear active. Then goes on the offensive after someone does commit to a real vote on a person. On October 31 2011 01:19 Drem903 wrote: Are you able to change you're vote after you have voted? If you're not able to change you're vote, then we also have to be very suspicious of zanfada. We both randomly chose a person to try and encourage discussion, but he actually voted. If you can't change you're vote, then that seems suspicious to me, as he seems in a hurry to lynch someone (anyone). If you can change you're vote, then it's no big deal, but it's still something to consider. After that post, he basically leaves the suspicion on Zanfada, which by now looks good enough for other people to lynch. On October 31 2011 05:36 Drem903 wrote: Zanfada also has not posted at all since his initial accusation, so he should also be one to consider for now. I will let you judge on whether it's worth examining. | ||
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On November 01 2011 09:25 risk.nuke wrote: Why the wagon is on skrammen and on nobody else is because Ciryandor voted for him. Ciryandor have been trying to take a leading role and taking charge of town. Ciry have been tring to establish himself as one of the better players. And his been pretty pro-town. That's why this post is so suspicious because it's shit in and Ciry should know this. I know it's a shitty case, BUT I'm NOT very surprised people jumped on it, and that he's now the guy who's probably going to get lynched. Why? Because NOBODY has built a similar case profile for anyone else they want to lynch. People here are too scared of having a proper read-through of a player and impeaching them on it. Nobody has put together a summary of why they think Toadesstern or Zanfada or anyone else for that matter is a good lynch. Also, two of the six votes on im are from the guys who are most likely to be lynch targets if he wasn't there. That's self-preservation activity right there, and I can't blame them for doing that. | ||
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On November 02 2011 14:58 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: Huh, that's not one of the top 3 I would have expected to be dead this morning. Well then, let's see what this means. Risk.nuke was the main proponent of the lynch toad campaign. Other than that he has called one of Ciry's posts suspicious, and he called a FOS on me awhile back. So, who benefits from risk's death? 1) Toad, it removes the most ardent supporter of his lynching. 2) Skrammen, risk defended Skrammen, him flipping town upon death gives more weight to risk's defense of Skrammen. It also discredits Toad, as Toad had risk highest on his scum list. Him being wrong about that lowers the worth of his word when he accuses others of being scum. 3) Bunneh, also defended Skrammen, and is therefore indirectly helped by risk's death, although only slightly. 4) Ciry, but only if Ciry was worried about risk becoming increasingly suspect of him. 5) Myself, but, again, only if I still thought risk was suspicious of me. 6) Lurkers, if neither Skrammen nor Toad is scum, killing somebody who has spent almost all his time talking about these two makes for an amazing kill. It practically guarantees we will continue to focus on them, giving mafia another day where they don't get lynched. I think it is clear that 1, 2, or 6 are the best candidates. 3, 4, and 5 mostly serve as potentially added bonuses, but certainly seem unlikely as main reasons. Also keep in mind, it is likely that the decision was made by scum before risk's long post before the bottom of page 17, and possibly before toad's as well. Very few people were around after those posts and prior to the night ending, and presumably scum would not leave the decision on who to shoot to a single member of their team. So here's my opinion on the matter, Toad tends to talk too much and to talk too freely for me to think he is scum. Skrammen tends to have rather empty posts, he has done no real analysis so far, and has engaged in a decent amount of OMGUS, as collected in the spoiler. + Show Spoiler + Note: These are all directed at different people Not once did you FoS on me, yet you preffered to vote me instead of zanfa. You also FoS'd Ciry but claim you didnt. You seem to be a bit everywhere, throwing suspicions left and right. To me, it appears like you are trying to be a bit of an instigator while saying very little of substance. You've posted nearly as little as I have done, and you say you vote me because of lack of activity? ##Vote Chocolate And now you have decided to vote me. Did you already make up your mind before I did my post? As far as I can tell, the only thing you seem to base your suspicion on is the fact that I made a point about timezones. I think you are over-analyzing things way too hard, stop looking for something who is not there. Just stating the obvious. Why say I might red if I am scum? Well, if I was, would I tell you? Are you desperatly trying to find a reason to get me lynched, again? What about you. So far, the only thing you have done is come in, instigate somthing on someone else, defend yourself when you got under pressure only to disappear again. And here you are again. However, I, unfortunately, lack the conviction of our departed risk.nuke. I cannot say with 100% certainty that Skrammen is scum nor that Toad is Town. But here's what I think can help solve the problem, Toad and Skrammen, if you value your lives, please make a post of the following: 1) At least 2, preferably 3 people you think are scum 2) Explanations and some analysis of why you think they are scum 3) At least 2, preferably more, people you think are town, excluding yourself 4) Explanations of why you think they are town 5) What you think the goal of the risk.nuke shooting was If we have this information from both of them, I think we will have a much clearer picture of things. This post is getting long, but I feel the need to restate something from an earlier post of mine, thus far hacklebeast has gotten away with contributing a total of jack shit and that needs to change in a hurry. HoD, who did you expect to be dead and why? I personally expected me or Toad as the likeliest KP targets; me for having the gall to actually lay out the Skrammen lynch (and for scum to cover their vote tracks), and Toad because he would have looked like a clear town had risk not died, given his vigorous defense. | ||
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On November 02 2011 19:06 hyshes wrote: btw Ciryandor , are you going to spend post #2000 in a newbie mafia game? I didn't even notice. 2500 much better milestone IMO, then next is 5000. | ||
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On November 02 2011 19:30 hyshes wrote: that is what i said... i needed a vote to not get modkilled.. so i voted for the most suspicous person back then... I probably would have chosen for a lynch if i didn't miss the deadline... (but that is void now) So now, what say you? Do you have any idea who you think thought of targeting risk? | ||
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