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Also, curu mentioned earlier that he could rebalance the setup with 25/26 rather than 30, so that probably means there is a 4:1 scum ratio. Finally: ##Vote raynpelikoneet | ||
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On September 17 2011 09:29 heist wrote: No. No. Do not claim if you have the ring unless you want to die. I think you misread what I said. I said that the ring holder should only claim if he decided he needed to pass it off or had a role requiring him to pass it. | ||
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On September 17 2011 11:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Would you provide some info why would you like to heve me lynched? And why would you ever want to claim you have/had The Ring (at least at this stage of a game - or with this stage of info). Do you really think it's wise? Mainly to get a response from a player I've never played with before. Feel free to prove to me why you shouldn't be lynched. Obviously whoever has the ring should not claim. What I said was for the player to claim if they ever passed on the ring, since they were very likely be town. | ||
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If not, the trolling has to stop now wherebugsgo. Players who are stating that they are busy, but will contribute later need to be constantly hounded to post. The moment we forget about them, they get away with posting the minimum to stay alive and give up basically no information. sandroba, I'm hoping to hear from you on Sunday as early as possible. Wiggles, what are your thoughts so far? raynpelikoneet responded reasonably and didn't get overly defensive so I'll remove my vote from him. ##unvote Navillus, I feel as if you're pulling the noob card. This is your 6th game, you should know better than to claim day one. I looked through your older games and couldn't find any other instance where you opened the game with a claim, combined with the fact you decided to sound really angry with the random censored swears, makes me suspicious. Besides the random vote on Drazerk, who do you suspect right now? chaoser, what makes prplhz stand out compared to all the other ring/general advice posts in the thread? | ||
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On September 18 2011 02:11 Navillus wrote: 6th game != learned anything in 1-5, esp. cause I died really quickly in some and wasn't paying that much attention to most of them so I couldn't really learn. Also you're either lying about looking through my games, or just didn't really try, cause last game I played I opened with basically the same line, a complaint about getting VT yet again (I think it was cosmic horror, if not it was 2 games ago in werewolves but I'm pretty sure it was cosmic horror.). Fair enough, I used vt and town as my keywords, which apparently filters out townie, so I take that back. | ||
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Palmar decides he isn't going to read the thread the first two days JeeJee goes and randomly votes for himself Erandorr has 9 pre-game posts and one real post Archon_Toilet has two posts about flavor Pyo has nothing of interest If we don't call people out for doing nothing, scum are going to take advantage and lurk the game away. | ||
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On September 18 2011 17:37 syllogism wrote: Unfortunately a bunch of veterans are getting away with posting nothing at all (Jeejee/Sandroba/Palmar), but at least the latter two have an excuse due to not being around and I'm willing to ignore jeejee on day 1 due to his recent game history. Hmm? Does Palmar have an excuse for not being around? I thought that was by choice. WBG, you currently lead the vote, but a lot of people are claiming they are willing to spare you because you are third party. If that was the case, I would consider it as well. Are you willing to come out and claim black? | ||
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On September 19 2011 00:50 chaoser wrote: Kira an, what do you think about navillus and prphlz? prplhz hasn't really stood out to me one way or another. He used his first few posts to talk about flavor, but so has half the other players in the game. The only thing that gives me bad vibes is that when he posted his list of candidates, he included nav based on others arguments rather than sharing his own opinion. nav opened the game with that "rage" vt role claim, but then he followed up with his name claim, which I'm not sure scum would so willingly give up. I don't like the fact that he is trying to show that he is bad at the game, however. On September 19 2011 01:02 Navillus wrote: Oh my wow... Please filter Ciryandor's posts, it's a big collection of "well I think X but maybe not X and Y is also possible but maybe we shouldn't because bad stuff could happen" He's super indecisive about his thoughts, then instead of giving a real opinion he decides to vote for inactives over any of the people who actually have cases made against them, this is very scummy this late because he's voting for someone with almost no chance of getting lynched AND with very little reasoning to back it up because he's inactive, this allows scum to get away with meaningless votes that don't tell us anything about them, or if we do manage to lynch an inactive it won't be a scum one because they'll shift the vote to a town inactive since, you know, we can't tell the difference. They're inactives. Now as I mentioned, it's late in the day so I don't think I can get him lynched so I'll leave it at FOS Ciryandor but on a very related note ##Vote pphlz Ciryandor has done nice little soft defends of him at least twice now, the first time saying that pphlz is a "good guy" the second he tries to use his inactive lynch idea to divert attention specifically from pphlz, so I say we lynch pphlz, then if he flips red we've got another definite red in Ciryandor. To be honest, this post right above me might be his biggest fault. The fact that he spends an entire post about Ciryandor and then manages to squeeze a prplhz vote right in the middle without giving a reason other than "I can't get him lynched". TranceStorm is guilty for the same thing a few posts earlier. chaoser, what is your opinion on nav? Are you still sticking to prplhz? JeeJee and Radfield dropping off the face of the earth makes me uneasy and Erandorr, I'd like to hear more of your opinion rather than you asking others for theirs. | ||
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On September 19 2011 06:31 Erandorr wrote: I thought this was in the voting thread cause of migs post there. And my defence is there. (just kill me now this really isnt my week -.- ) Do you plan to repost what you had edited out? | ||
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On September 19 2011 07:18 supersoft wrote: sorry guys, i was on the road the whole day and only have my telephone to post today. i vote iGrok because of the reasons i gave in my last post. You're basically trying to get away with a no vote. The lynch is tied and you're voting for the guy with 2 votes on him? Why not comment on the current situation? | ||
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On September 19 2011 08:10 jcarlsoniv wrote: I believe he gave you a pass for the vote, but you will still need to make your 5 post quota...I think? Preferably more than 5. :/ | ||
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On September 19 2011 08:45 iGrok wrote: Erandorr - somehow appeared on his own vote list? Wait, what? Is there a scum politician or something? He never posted to change his vote. | ||
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On September 19 2011 13:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: antagonistic/rude trying to get under peoples skin almost purely defensive play focusing only on people who criticized or voted for you everyone discounting the possibility you're scum begging for ring day 1 and spamming spam im done go read my posts ive said enough about you im not gonna keep repeating myself The fact that he is antagonistic/rude actually makes me come to the other conclusion, considering his attitude as town in some of the past games. When he was just plain trolling to start the game, rather than getting under peoples skins is what initially caused the red flags. On September 19 2011 18:32 Jackal58 wrote: Alright, it's night time now. Give Bugs the ring and get him out of here. Do you have a post restriction or something? On September 19 2011 21:37 chaos13 wrote: I haven't had a chance to read the case(s) on Erandorr in much depth but whenever town flips as a lynch D1 there will be at least one scum on their wagon. Granted, this time around he was lynched with a very small percentage of votes so it's possible that they stayed away from it. Either way look at the vote lists of people who didn't get lynched and you'll find scum. Especially on WBG (assuming he is town or third party and not mafia himself) because that is an easy justification for mafia vote D1. He was being pretty much useless and this gives them a great excuse to vote for someone. Check out Dr.H, iGrok, and Jackal on that list. All three players should know better. Sorry I couldn't be around to do more than vote and leave again yesterday. I'll do my best to be more present in the future. Oh god. "There will be at least one scum on their wagon" "Well, maybe not" "Look at the vote lists of those who didn't get lynched" How non-committal can you get? You're essentially saying there are either scum on the wagon or off the wagon. | ||
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On September 20 2011 10:14 chaoser wrote: Also want to say a my bad to prplhz. I'll post my thoughts in a bit, but are you claiming the hit that caused his bodyguard to die or are you just saying sorry for pushing his lynch? | ||
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On September 20 2011 10:48 chaoser wrote: Will you be posting your thoughts kitaman27? Yes. | ||
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Palmar is contributing far less than I'm used to. This doesn't really match his town, nor scum meta. Last game in personality mafia, he was probably our most outspoken member and lead the town until a dt check got him lynched. Even so, there is no excuse to lurk even if it doesn't match his scum playstyle. Radfield is still alive, which automatically makes me weary considering his reputation. Sandroba, you called the day one lynch candidates completely horrible, yet you have failed to make a case for anyone else. It's real easy to say how awful people are without making a contribution yourself. You list the five names jackal/igrok/ggq/on/palmar and procede to vote Palmar. What makes Palmar stand out of those five? You say your vote is on Palmar unless someone convinces you with a case otherwise. How about you convince us with a case instead. DrH is playing far more defensive than normal. Now that you can't hide behind your third party suspicions, you will have to actually make a legit case on someone. I'm hoping to hear from you within the first half of the cycle. As I go through the player list, its not only the vets who aren't putting in enough effort. There are several players I'm having trouble remembering they are even in the game. Pyro, Drazerk, rayn, Vain, supersoft, GGQ. My lynch preference for today is chaos13. I'll share my case in a little bit. | ||
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On September 20 2011 11:11 chaos13 wrote: Hey hey, as I was reading through the thread I noticed something strange. I saw this and thought "Where did Sandroba say he would be gone...?" Turns out he didn't. Neither did anyone else. At least, not in the thread. Where did this information come from then? From the mafia QT. When a player has extra information that they shouldn't have... ##Vote kitaman27 So when one of kita or sandroba flips scum, we've got another confirmed red to go after. Hahahaha. Shaking in your boots? | ||
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On September 20 2011 11:14 chaos13 wrote: Yeah of course, you mention my name and I piss myself in terror. I suppose I should give you a chance to explain yourself though. On September 17 2011 03:01 sandroba wrote: Hey I'll be with no internet access until sunday afternoon, will that be ok? | ||
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On September 20 2011 11:20 chaos13 wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699&user=21688 Sandroba's filter. I don't see that post there, I don't see any edited posts, and the word "sunday" does not come up when I ctrl+f. I are confused. lol do you think I'm making that up or something? It's in the voting thread. But you knew very well sandroba publicly said he was going to be away. Or did you forget Ace pausing the game, which you were a part of and clearly following? Quit distracting me so I can write up a case :p You're welcome to share who your lynch preference is as well. | ||
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chaos13 If there was one word to describe chaos13's play so far it would be safe. He has contributed enough not to stand out as a lurker, yet hasn't provided any strong opinions that are meaningful. He is careful not to make any enemies in order to guarantee his survival into late game. Filter through his posts and take a guess at how many people he has accused of being suspicious. The answer is one. Throughout the entire sequence of events of day one, supersoft is the only person he has called out. Not once did he comment on the relevant day one bandwagons with prp, wbg, or erandorr. Did you not have an opinion regarding any of these players? Now take a look at the current vote count when he presents his "analysis": wherebugsgo-6 DoctorHelvetica Drazerk iGrok Pyo Jackal58 Erandorr prplhz-9 chaoser Greymist raynpelikoneet jcarlsoniv navillus heist TranceStorm Mr. Wiggles OriginalName supersoft-1 chaos13 Essentially what this means is that he would have to convince 8 other players to switch over to his cause within the few hours remaining in the lynch. A difficult task, but possible if he really believes in what he is saying. Upon posting his analysis, how hard did he push his case for others to rally to his cause? Not at all. In other words, he posted an analysis on a player he knew would not be lynched and had little interest in being lynched. After disappearing during the most important part of day one, he returns during the night with this gem, which is really what made me go back and take a better look at him: On September 19 2011 21:37 chaos13 wrote: Hey guys, sorry my activity level has been down, I've been pretty busy. Hopefully I'll be able to contribute more this week. I haven't had a chance to read the case(s) on Erandorr in much depth but whenever town flips as a lynch D1 there will be at least one scum on their wagon. Granted, this time around he was lynched with a very small percentage of votes so it's possible that they stayed away from it. Either way look at the vote lists of people who didn't get lynched and you'll find scum. Especially on WBG (assuming he is town or third party and not mafia himself) because that is an easy justification for mafia vote D1. He was being pretty much useless and this gives them a great excuse to vote for someone. Check out Dr.H, iGrok, and Jackal on that list. All three players should know better. Sorry I couldn't be around to do more than vote and leave again yesterday. I'll do my best to be more present in the future. To summerize: There may be scum on the Erandorr bandwagon. There may not be scum on the Erandorr bandwagon. There may be scum on other bandwagons. Now lets take a look at his main argument in the supersoft lynch: On September 19 2011 05:08 chaos13 wrote: .In fact, supersoft doesn't commit to any particular stance here. After feeling WBG was artificial, he could now be absolutely anything. This encompasses two different mafia characteristics in one: 1. Contradiction of opinion without new evidence 2. Non-committal wishy-washy stance These are the only posts with notable content from supersoft. He's scum. ##Vote supersoft You are in fact at fault for exactly what you've just called out supersoft for doing. You don't commit to any stance and dispaly a completely wishy-washy attitude. Guess what, you're scum ##vote chaos13 | ||
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On September 20 2011 12:05 sandroba wrote: Formating fail: Rofl kita, do you always play like this? You know for a fact I wasn't here day1 and that I couldn't do shit about who got lynched. Every wagon fliped town thus all candidates were wrong no? I'm voting palmar until HE gives me a good case that I can buy, because right now I don't have a clue about his alignment, but I know for a fact that he is more lurky as scum. You completely distorted my posts, but I've seen you do that as town aswell in ptp2. What's up with that? I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at. I'm not putting you at fault for not being here on day1. I'm saying you haven't made a case for anyone since returning. I do admit misreading you wanting him to give you a case, rather than someone. I'm just saying now that you're back, you should be expected to put in two days worth of effort for the day you missed and give us an analysis on some players, rather than picking from a list from five names. | ||
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On September 20 2011 12:13 chaos13 wrote: Hey guys. While attempting to read through the thread again to actually become a proper part of the game, after the fifth time my efforts petered off I realized that I just don't have the motivation to play a proper town game these days. Seeing as this is the third game I've replaced myself in recently, I'm gonna stop joining games until I sort myself out. I have no idea how long I'll be gone, but I promise that when I have the time and the inclination I'll be back here to play. Thank you guys so much for being here and making this a fun experience for me. Happy scumhunting in my absence. Was I that convincing? Not sure what to make of this :/ | ||
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I may have been wrong, but at least I'm trying to make a case towards someone. syllo, GGQ, supersoft, Vain, JeeJee, GreYMisT, rayn, cyber, iGrok, heist, Drazerk, Pryro....its as if they are all dropping by to make a post or two, maybe pushing a lynch half heartedly and then not posting again for another 12 hours or until someone brings them up. It's really hard to distinguish where one stands from another with their current activity. | ||
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On September 20 2011 22:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Kitaman, what do you think of my earlier post (about sandroba)? Until he makes a serious case on someone, he's not at the top of my town list. On September 20 2011 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: I meant to say chaoser posted his "thoughts" about DrH 30min AFTER he died. I think he is posting about how DrH played day 1, so we can use that to find other scum that may be connected. That's a pretty typical thing to do after a scum flips. On September 20 2011 23:24 syllogism wrote: The issue with chaoser being scum is that it's very unlikely that WBG was a mafia hit, so if they have the standard 3 kp, there is one KP missing and no one else has claimed a hit. I suppose it's possible mafia hit SK (the real gollum? would make sense for him to kill wbg I suppose and the flavor would fit) and thus he was free to claim the hit, but it's more likely that he really was hit. No way they double stacked prplhz or wiggles. What does not double stacking prplhz or wiggles have to do with the hit. That's basically saying there weren't 5 kp during the night. On September 20 2011 23:24 syllogism wrote: Yes, but that was a no flip game so I was hoping something more standard Try Salem. Do you intend to push Radfield/Palmar or anyone else within the next few hours? | ||
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On September 20 2011 23:24 syllogism wrote: The issue with chaoser being scum is that it's very unlikely that WBG was a mafia hit, so if they have the standard 3 kp, there is one KP missing and no one else has claimed a hit. I suppose it's possible mafia hit SK (the real gollum? would make sense for him to kill wbg I suppose and the flavor would fit) and thus he was free to claim the hit, but it's more likely that he really was hit. No way they double stacked prplhz or wiggles. Also, why is it very unlikely that WBG was a mafia hit? | ||
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On September 21 2011 05:11 heist wrote: First chance I got to be active since the night phase. I'll be reading through and posting my thoughts. But looking at the last comment, claiming is not going to do anything. Mafia all have safe claims. How do you know mafia all have safe claims? | ||
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On September 20 2011 12:18 chaos13 wrote: Although before I leave.. People you should trust: - Dr. H - TranceStorm - prplhz - Navillus (be skeptical, but I highly doubt he's scum) Watch out for Radfield If I had to guess, which one was his night one result, I would say he got a false godfather check on DrH. During the night, he brings up how the wbg bandwagon was an easy scum vote and suggests we take a look at DrH. The next day, he suddenly trusts DrH without providing any additional reasoning. If not him, then Radfield is probably the next most likely check, whom he never comments about until now. | ||
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On September 21 2011 06:53 kitaman27 wrote: Something I'm 100% shocked that nobody has brought up is the fact that chaos flipped Jack of all Trades. This means that he almost certainly had a day one check, watch, track, or gun check on someone. How could nobody mention this, considering he left us with the following list of players: If I had to guess, which one was his night one result, I would say he got a false godfather check on DrH. During the night, he brings up how the wbg bandwagon was an easy scum vote and suggests we take a look at DrH. The next day, he suddenly trusts DrH without providing any additional reasoning. If not him, then Radfield is probably the next most likely check, whom he never comments about until now. EBWOP | ||
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On September 21 2011 10:35 iGrok wrote: Why are you never around when other people are! >: O Are you ever going to post something or are you going to lurk the entire day away? | ||
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How about we don't give you the ring and you still submit to our Maia and nightkill targets? Also, if all non-town are given safe claims, what was the safe claim given to you that you can guarantee is not part of the game? | ||
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On September 21 2011 11:51 iGrok wrote: No. If a good enough case is made by someone I believe to be town, I'll use it then. But only a PM DT can make me use it no matter what. I'm not passing it off to popular vote because that's too easy to manipulate. Huh? What makes you think there is a pm dt in this game? | ||
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On September 22 2011 03:13 chaoser wrote: iGrok's claim makes no sense as a mafia, it makes more sense as a third party trying to fulfill their wincon early. I'm ok with a jackal lynch. He's posting a lot in the pony thread, not a lot here. Everything else radfield has said. If wherebugsgo is a mafia hit then it makes sense for jackal to push for the ring to be given to wherebugsgo. WBG gets ring, dies to mafia. ##vote: Jackal58 Could you explain how your opinion shifted from lynching igrok to letting him live in such a short amount of time? How did the claim go from scum to no sense as mafia? Also, what in specific about radfield's case makes you think jackal is scum? | ||
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On September 22 2011 03:25 Drazerk wrote: Right lets kill two birds with one stone shall we? I am a medic I protected iGrok and that's how he survived Syllo's cleave. I got a notification about iGrok getting hit so we can confirm Syllo is a day vigi with some extra powers on top. Now can we vote for someone more productive? You're a day medic? Or are you a night medic whose protection followed over to day 2? Also, could you explain your reasoning for protecting iGrok over anyone else? | ||
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On September 22 2011 03:32 Drazerk wrote: Because it was obvious to me I would not survive another cycle anyway so I may as well stop two easy lynches. Why wouldn't you survive another cycle? | ||
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1) You will never receive the ring. Don't bother asking for it again. You becoming bulletproof is of little interest to town. 2) You shoot tonight at the target we provide you. You're not holding on to your kp until late game where you can decide to use it on whichever faction benefits you most. 3) You're not allowed to completely disappear for the remainder of the game. You don't get a free pass. You have to continue to give us your scum reads. Between Palmar and Jackal, I think Jackal is probably the better choice. He just lacks the aggressiveness and the confidence that I'm used to seeing from him. He played a similar style back in PTP (1 or 2?) where he never really accused anyone and maintained a low profile as the serial killer. ##Vote Jackal58 | ||
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On September 22 2011 11:58 sandroba wrote: Okay got info from the host himself. Town win con is to eliminte all evil and that includes ALL third party. iGrok's claim is impossible. If that's the case, IGrok is our day three lynch (assuming he survives the night). | ||
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On September 23 2011 00:20 Radfield wrote: Major fuck up by me Sorry Sandro, I didn't get what you were saying until I got back. Why did no one listen to this: + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2011 06:51 sandroba wrote: Man here is the deal. Let's assume igrok is telling the truth. We don't lynch him and we tell him to shoot X person tonight. Obviously if that person is mafia he will be roleblocked. If the person is town they will either let the shot go through or roleblock him and create a fucking mess and possibly waste more lynches. He can withold his shot indefinitely and claim rb. He can claim he found saruman at any time and possibly make us mislynch. We can't deal with him later in the game close to lylo. So even if he is actually telling the truth I don't see how we can trust this and trust he won't do pro-mafia actions. There is currently 7 townies and 1 mafia dead, so I know who I would side with if I was what he claims to be. Mafia is never going to get rid of him for us. We can either lynch him now or have a copy of this day at a later date, so I don't think we have much of a choice besides lynching him now. Or ask if an unblockable kill could be roleblocked.... Obviously we're not picking a specific target, which means that we either give iGrok a range of several targets, or have him not shoot at all. At this point it makes far more sense to have him not shoot at all. If he is mafia, a range of targets is exactly what he wants, as he just picks the townie out of the mix. If he is mafia and told not to shoot, then we at least have some tools available if there are too many night kills. Also, if he is told not to shoot and still shoots, he runs the risk being tracked to a target. Thoughts? Do we really want a third party survivor to hold onto a kp late game? I think he should shoot, since it minimizes his threat to town. If he doesn't shoot, on day 4/5 he could aim his sights on town in an attempt to give control of the lynch to scum. Also, even if his shot is role blocked, that's still a role block that's not being used on town. | ||
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On September 23 2011 02:08 Drazerk wrote: Also as for the posting restriction... lets just say I had one and now I don't. Arwen, the Evenstar has a post restriction? Could you clarify what made it go away? | ||
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On September 23 2011 02:45 syllogism wrote: Which is also then when his PR ended So you buy the fact that he has a PR? Do you really think Curu would include them in his set-up after a comment like this, the game earlier? Something is not right... On August 23 2011 19:40 Curu wrote: Thanks for hosting. I am never playing in a game with post restrictions again though. I realize most weren't half as bad as people were conveying, but seriously. Kurumi mucked up the entirety of day 1 when he was not obliged to, LSB never explained the kitaman thing leading everyone to ignore him as a troll, etc. In the end I think it was the post restrictions that really raped Town. Mafia could act however they wanted and no one could be sure because Town was overplaying their own restrictions. That and the fact that the only active veteran players got sniped night 1 and Town was left with only a few people that even gave a shit about the game. I apologize to anyone I flamed or called bad during the game. This was the most frustrated I've ever been playing a Mafia game because of my very much unmet expectations for the playerlist and the general nobody-cares-but-me feeling the entire Town was giving. | ||
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On September 23 2011 06:00 prplhz wrote: so there are hobbits in this game?! interesting Hobbit party at my place. Everyone be sure to bring all your jewelry! | ||
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Draz is probably making up his posting restriction. I just can't see curu putting one in after saying he will never play a game with PR's again. On the other hand, I don't really see what there is to gain from claiming a PR and then saying its gone. sandroba is has been far less involved in the game than people seem to be noticing. The only person he has aggressively pushed is iGrok, who was an extremely easy target. Something that people may have forgotten, is that sandroba promised analysis on chaoser, yet never delivered. I'm leaning scum. I like how radfield came in and called my super scummy without providing a single reason. He calls out people like pyro for not making a case, yet lists a bunch of random names himself and calls them scum. He should definitely be considered for tomorrow if he survives the night. Half the town is lurkers and it is going to be a complete pain to deal with them at late game. These guys need to really start sharing their opinions and leading lynches. Out of the lurkers, heist and ON worry me the most, because the are so conservative in pushing their opinions. I might make a better case on one of them tomorrow if I'm still alive. | ||
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On September 23 2011 08:01 kitaman27 wrote: Also, chaoser for SK. lolz Or scum. Him claiming to falsely take a hit would be consistent with his fake dt claim. He is completely hiding in the shadows. | ||
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On September 23 2011 08:38 GreYMisT wrote: I'm hoping its the 3rd one, sadly its probally the second. Chaoser and Kitman, Do you agree with my plan to have whoever Radfield was talking to the previous day come forward? Yep, I don't see why scum would mason a fellow scum on night one, so they would be practically confirmed town. | ||
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On September 23 2011 10:00 jcarlsoniv wrote: Or it could be a town power that mishit first night and hit second night. Why would town hit cirandor day one? | ||
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I saw you return to your house with blood on your hands. Which kill are you claiming? Sincerely, Your number one stalker. | ||
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On September 23 2011 22:38 Palmar wrote: what exactly are you claiming? not that it matters chaoser is scummery scummery scum. I'm claiming that chaoser killed someone. Preferably he shows up sooner than later to let us know who exactly that was | ||
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On September 23 2011 23:01 chaoser wrote: What a creepy slime. Like a kraken... My sword of steel and iron tasted the salty blood of Radfield last night. No hostages were taken. Anyone can counter claim if they want but they're not going to get very far. lol wrong answer Radfield as Wormtongue, the Deceiver, Mafia Messenger was put to the sword! Ciryandor as Samwise Gamgee, Town Mason Bodyguard was put to the sword night 1! So this means you would have had to kill prp/ciryandor on day one. Since I know you're going to claim you thought they were scum too, guess what, I have another quote for you: On September 20 2011 12:39 chaoser wrote: Add sandroba to that list of likely to be townie. He was the only person to point out and call me out on the prphlz/ciryandor connection that I missed. Sandroba posted during night one that prp/ciryandor confirmed eachother as town. That means you would have known they were town, when you shot them. The only reason you would kill them was if you were after the ring. Tough luck. | ||
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You even responded to him on that same page so you clearly knew about the claim. It would be appreciated if you didn't spam the thread for the next 48 hours. k thx. | ||
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On September 23 2011 23:18 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Don't forget that on night 1 we still thought prplhz was worth a lynch. The only reason we think he's town now is because he was attacked and ciryandor's death confirmed him. lolz, you think chaoser is innocent? | ||
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On September 23 2011 23:22 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Unless someone counter claims him, he could be a vig. Ciryandor and prplhz can't just 100% confirm each other. What would a sk gain from attacking a top suspect on the votes? ...The ring | ||
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On September 23 2011 23:26 chaoser wrote: Exactly, and in the post I responded back I said that they could very well be mafia backing each other up. It was only after ciyrandor flipped green that I realized they were together as bodyguard/protectee. I shot radfield, unless someone can counter claim that I have the best claim to it. I've been bread crumbing all game. Go read my day 2 post where I say I was shot. My steel and iron doesn't forget. Role claim? | ||
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On September 23 2011 23:38 chaoser wrote: What would you like me to give? Like I said, unless someone claims they killed Radfield with a better claim than mine I'd rather not say too much. You saw all the awesome roles that died last night. I'd rather not go the same way as them. Let's just say I can make kills if certain requirements are met. Do you really think not revealing your role is going to save "Boromir, Lord of Gondor" from getting shot at night? At this point, you have to share it if you want to survive the lynch. | ||
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On September 23 2011 23:54 chaoser wrote: I am Boromir, Lord of Gondor, Son of Man. Wrong again. Fake claim. If you look at every single flip, the format is: Name/Title/Role So you're saying "Son of Man" is your role? On September 23 2011 23:54 chaoser wrote: I win together with town Oh rly? "Together"? That's funny, cause I win when Evil has been purged from Middle Earth. That includes you. On September 23 2011 23:54 chaoser wrote: I can kill people if certain requirements, that I will not say, are fulfilled. I am also bulletproof So you're a multi-shot vig that can't die at night? Can you breathe fire too? Great news everybody! We can all go home and let chaoser finish up the game for us! Shame on you guys for buying this nonsense. | ||
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igrok needs to be dealt with as well, but today chaoser gets lynched. Do you really buy his claim Palmar? You went from saying he is scummy scum scum to accepting a rediculous claim in no time flat. | ||
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On September 24 2011 00:29 chaoser wrote: I shot Radfield. He flipped mafia. I hope you realize this. Unless I'm a mafia that selfshot my own teammate, I'm not mafia. Fine, then you're the SK. Bulletproof? Check Multi-shot? Check Attempt to steal the ring? Check Low profile? Check | ||
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On September 24 2011 00:35 GGQ wrote: If chaoser died of spontaneous combustion, who would you vote for? Some combination of igrok, ON, or heist. (Happy Birthday by the way) On September 24 2011 00:37 chaoser wrote: =[ I hope I don't, I wouldn't want to lose some fingers and toes. You're bulletproof, remember? | ||
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On September 24 2011 00:48 chaoser wrote: BTW, I find it odd that you posted this claim hours after the day post. Why not immediately after, when both you and I were active in the thread? Because I wanted to see your agenda for day three? Are you saying I didn't watch you kill someone? :/ | ||
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Boromir would be the perfect safe claim for a SK. That's the point of a safe claim, so they can identify themselves as someone likely in the game :/ | ||
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On September 24 2011 00:54 supersoft wrote: we can lynch both after all evil was killed. After he shoots me to pieces? I'd prefer not. | ||
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Heh so now I went from "town hero", to "retard", to "scum"? -_- | ||
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On September 24 2011 01:56 Palmar wrote: Sometimes it's just so hard to convince people to do the right thing, because for some reason no one ever realizes what the right action is. Given the situation we're in where we allowed scum to wiggle out of a lynch on day 2 because despite the win condition we all have clearly saying we need to clear all evil out of midgard, yet we let a balrog live when the lore clearly states he's pretty damn evil. I can't believe it's even up for discussion going after a vigilante/SK that decided to kill mafia last night without anyone counterclaiming him. There is just no chance in a game with fake-claims that Boromir the SK is more evil than Balrog the neutral peace-loving fire demon guy. But Kita in his almighty knowledge decided that chaoser must be eliminated immediately yet it's fine to allow iGrok to shuffle by another day. I want to remind you that iGrok was supposed by Kita's own terms to actively scumhunt and not just back away from the game, and yet he's done exactly that. Kita doesn't actually give a shit for obvious reasons. Once again I beg you to go back and read everything posted by both Syllogism and Sandroba because they are the best players that are dead in this game. But hey, why should you listen to me, I'm sometimes a dick! Syllogism pointed out how stupidly heist believes claims randomly (lol, pacific ocean), and jcarl doesn't want to trust me because he's way too busy being thick. Cheesekid is scum though, not even him can be this dumb. It's ok though we just need to lynch iGrok and everything suddenly becomes alright again. Note how fast Kita claimed chaoser was an SK, he knows he's not scum etc. Also he earlier in the game said "Chaoser for SK" because he knows mafia hit chaoser, then corrects himself and says that maybe he could be scum. Kita is just crazy scummy right now. But apparently me changing my mind is more scummy, because you know... it's not cool giving things second thoughts, we should always just go with whatever we first think of right? I'm actually just going to leave the thread for a while, maybe town will not suck so hard when I'm back in some hours. Look, we both agree iGrok can't be allowed to live to engame. If he gets lynched today, then that's fine by me. If there is a chance he is scum, not survivor, it might even be a better choice to kill him first. However, there is no doubt in my mind that chaoser is not town. On day one he took a hit. On day two, he got caught red handed killing someone. On day three, he comes up with an extremely convienent role that explains both the hit and the killing. The fact that you believe there is a town aligned bulletproof compulsive vig just blows my mid. chaoser is probably going to shoot me tonight. The only "conditions" his shots have is that the person has to be a threat to him. He can't be allowed to laugh his merry way to victory as a "Boromir", when it is beyond obvious that he is not. | ||
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On September 24 2011 02:26 Drazerk wrote: Jack of all trades role. Calling it now. Jack of all trades are not bulletproof, nor can they shoot more than once. | ||
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On September 24 2011 02:29 jcarlsoniv wrote: Here's a thought: suppose chaoser's claim is true. Let's say he's Boromir who has a kill condition. What if his kill condition is that he can kill any time the Ring moves. This makes sense because Boromir wants the Ring in his lore. It's speculation, so take it with a handful of salt, but it somewhat fits. And didn't he claim as 3rd party? Why do you keep saying people believe he is town aligned? If I had to guess, he is just making up the condition so people can speculate and he has an excuse for not having an unlimited number of bullets. Uhh, he hasn't claimed 3rd party? People like Palmar seem to believe he really is Boromir? | ||
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If we're lynching igrok instead of you today, we sure aren't letting you decide who to shoot. | ||
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On September 24 2011 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: We already made a very stupid choise yesterday. Now just hang iGrok. -Pros over chaoser; 1) chaoser could very well shoot another scum in the face. iGrok failed in it last night. 2) We basically confirm Drazerk when iGrok flips. Ppl really should do what Palmar says and check syllo&sandroba posts. ##Vote iGrok If I swap my vote, will you be willing to lynch chaoser next? | ||
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On September 24 2011 22:35 Archon_Toilet wrote: I HATE YOU KITAMAN Wait.....what? You're one voting me? o.O chaoser, what's your imaginary kill restriction? | ||
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On September 24 2011 22:55 Archon_Toilet wrote: Ye s kitaman, you will die. I will ride my horsie and kill you hahahahahahaha Right.... igrok is a dying man. He will say anything to keep himself alive. Its amusing that you've been defending him though. Third party gotta stick together, right? As long as he is around, you live a day longer? The fact that he managed to find his target with 1/17 odds is rather convenient, no? | ||
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On September 25 2011 07:02 prplhz wrote: well i could add that i very much doubt that chaoser is scum even though he tried to hit me day1 but maybe it's not a good idea to give the ring to boromir .. but this last thing is purely speculation based on how boromir reacted to the ring (and frodo) in lotr lol he's not boromir. You are correct in the fact that giving a SK the ring is probably not a great plan. | ||
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On September 25 2011 07:43 chaoser wrote: lolol ok kitascum. Either way the ring should be kept safe and not given away so whomever has it, just keep it safe. You calling me scum now so you can try to justify shooting me tonight for revealing your identity? :p | ||
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On September 26 2011 08:26 Palmar wrote: I need to re-read them all again to decide that. Initially I think Kita is the safest lynch. His ability is very... weird, it's a version of tracker that's very seldom in play, and generally the blue roles have been much more notable characters than that elf he claimed. You've got to be kidding me. Me: Yo chaoser, you killed a dude last night. chaoser: Yep Palmar: lol lynch kita, he's lying How does this make sense at all? Do you think I just magically guessed it? The only other possible explanation would be that I was somehow in contact with chaoser and knew that he was shooting, which is most certainly not true. Town needs to wake up because we are far closer to LyLo than it may seem. With the four kp last night, the lynch, and chaoser's SK kp there is the chance of up six deaths per cycle. To win, town needs to kill the 2-3 remaining scum, chaoser the Serial Killer, and possibly a third party Gollum. That's 4-5 more correct lynches/shots that we still need to go through in order to reach the town win condition. With only 9-10 town currently remaining, we can't afford to mislynch. | ||
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On September 26 2011 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now, what do we know about chaoser? He claimed Boromir. He shot mafia. He was RB last night (or lying). That makes his certainly not mafia right? Then Palmar claimed Faramir. So here are following scenarios: chaoser SK / Palmar town given the claims they made i don't think this would be possible chaoser SK / Palmar mafia why would mafia protect SK? chaoser SK / Palmar SK (working together) could be, altough i still believe boromir&faramir are both in the game, and not as safeclaims chaoser town / Palmar mafia no need to Palmar fakeclaim and defend chaoser chaoser town / Palmar town most likely answer chaoser town / Palmar SK could be, altough i don't see a reason for Palmar to fakeclaim, again If chaoser was in fact mafia, they would need to have an extremely brave strategy in bussing/killing nearly all their teammates, and it would all fall apart just if ppl didn't believe chaoser in a first place. Also, kitaman you could be some kinda mafia stalker role. Also, i think you are wise enough to figure out chaosers requirements for killing. If I'm right about it, it fits into his claim fairly well. BTW. Who did you check last night and what's the result? I'm not sure I understand your scenarios, particularly the first and fourth one. We seem to agree that its pretty unlikely he is mafia due to the radfield shot, but I don't see how Palmar claiming Faramir makes chaoser town. The OP stated that ALL non-town players are provided with safe claims. Boromir was chaoser's safe claim. The flaw in your argument is that you are assumming he is Boromir. How do I know he is not Boromir? Because he claimed to be a bulletproof compulsive vigilante. It is extremely, extremely rare for a town to get a bulletproof player. It is extremely, extremeley rare for a town to get a compulsive vigilante. It is completely insane to think town gets a bulletproof compulsive vigilante. Even a 23 vanilla town, 1 town bulletproof compulsive vigilante, 6 scum setup would be questionable balance wise. To have a setup with a jailkeeper, medic, bodyguard, mason, 2x jack of all trades (!!!), 2x vigilante, plus any other blues that haven't flipped, on top of a bulletproof compulsive vigilante? It's just not reasonable to continue to argue that chaoser is not the serial killer. Serial Killers are bulletproof and can shoot every night. That fits his claimed role EXACTLY. What we should be discussing today, is whether or not be should be lynching chaoser/a mafia candidate, not whether or not he is town. The person I checked did not perform a kill last night. I won't say whether or not they performed a different action, because there is no reason to give scum information about who might be blue or vanilla townie. | ||
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If that's a post restriction, it screams Gollum. | ||
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On September 26 2011 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'd vote GGQ for gollum, just becouse of his "i'm not saying anything useful this game besides i want to lynch iGrok". Palmar just reinacted an entire scene as Gollum and you think GGQ is more likely? On September 26 2011 23:53 Palmar wrote: Actually fuck it Kita needs to claim all his tracking targets and what actions they performed. ##Vote Kitaman27 Oh look, he's going fishing for blues! I've already confirmed that I'm a tracker by claiming that chaoser killed someone. I see little reason to essentially role claim for a player who didn't kill anyone, unless they are about to be lynched. | ||
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On September 27 2011 00:15 Palmar wrote: Well here is a thing. If it was day 2, and you actually looked like a townie, I would never ask you. But it's day 4, you put in some ridiculous restrictions on iGrok instead of just wanting to lynch him on day 2. Don't paint me as the guy who was trying to save iGrok. On day two, I voted jackal because he was scummy and it fit his scum meta and I certainly wasn't alone. If I really wanted to play it safe, I could have easily just thrown a vote on igrok since the lynch wasn't even close by days end. On day 3, I saw chaoser kill somebody, which obviously made him my main target. When people finally stopped buying into his bogus claim and agreed to lynch him down the line, I happily switched over to iGrok, relatively early in the day. On September 27 2011 00:15 Palmar wrote: And excuse me, but you're a veteran, and I can't believe you'd be so incredibly dumb as to let him live on day 2, and then try it AGAIN on day 3 without being scum. I just think you're smarter than that. Newbies are excused because they don't realize how ridiculous the claim is, and they don't know me/syllo/sandroba well enough to just assume that when we all agree that we're right. Greymist - newbie chaoser - SK (he's not this stupid as town, and his claim makes no sense) Radfield - Scum Drazerk - newbie raynpelikoneet - newbie jcarlsoniv - ???? (but to be fair he thought I was scum because I trolled him) TranceStorm - newbie OriginalName - ???? kitaman - ???? You see. there are two names on this list of people who should really not have fallen for this bullshit, it's you and ON. Since when is being a newbie an excuse to being ignored? Just because I've played more games than others, doesn't mean I should be automatically lynched for being wrong on jackal day two. I'll post my thoughts on who should be considered tonight (I'm at work on lunch at the moment). On September 27 2011 00:15 Palmar wrote: List all the players you have tracked so far in the game. Don't tell us if they had a night action or not, just list them. On September 27 2011 00:59 jcarlsoniv wrote: Right now, you're intentionally holding information from town. Town is not in a very good position right now. Not terrible, but not great. We got screwed over first two days by radfield on last minute lynches that shouldn't have happened (hindsight 20/20 and all that). We need information. Who did you track night 1? I also want to know more about chaoser's target last night. But I can somewhat understand why he wouldn't reveal that. If you are town, you need to help town, Kita. Yes, I am intentionally holding information from town, yet you can't say it has scum motivations. Not revealing who may or may not have a night action does help town, as it limits the information given to mafia to decide their hits. If I tracked person X, who is about to get lynched and saw them doing a pro-town action, I'll confirm their role if necessary. On September 27 2011 00:30 GreYMisT wrote: Is palmar actually claiming golum? I know to a sane person that doesn't make any sense but I read WaW2 and he also claimed conspirator right off the bat in that as well. Well we know from the night post that Golum probably obtained the ring. Perhaps it makes him insane and give him a post restriction? Palmar, are you claiming Golum? | ||
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On September 27 2011 10:47 chaoser wrote: Yeah, just got back from work and I was thinking that. ##vote kitaman confirmed medic I guess So you're going with the confirmed tracker over the confirmed medic? Oh wait...its chaoser, nevermind. On a side note, I've just wasted all my time on my useless 2k post. I'll try write something up here later tonight -_- | ||
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On September 27 2011 10:55 OriginalName wrote: I literally just had one of the worst mondays of my life. Ive read up. Aww, your best buddy Kita is here for you <3 Unless of course you decide to want to lynch me. | ||
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@rayn, yesterday I agreed to switch to igrok if we ensured chaoser would be next in line. Do you still plan to vote for him? Based on curu's response, it seems pretty likely that Draz is indeed the medic. Is he a town medic? I'm not so certain. The thing that continues to bug me is why in the world would he decide to protect igrok on day one, when he had only posted a bunch of one-liners. On top of that, why would he role claim in order to try and save who he thought was a third party. After syllo's day vig shot, there was a 95% chance that iGrok was going to get lynched because there was no way a survivor claim could survive a shot. The fact that he was willing to make his role public in order to help confirm the claim of a player who wasn't town is weird. He explained he did it because he thought he was going to get shot, which was also weird. If I had to pick one person most likely to be scum, it would probably be him. @jcarl, who would be your top two lynch candidates today? @ON, why did you claim a VT Arwen? If you knew iGrok is lying or fishing for roles, what was the purpose of revealing your identity with relatively no pressure? @GGQ, heist, TranceStorm: Thoughts? Ideally, I'd like to read through all three of their post filters to try and differentiate them, but I really have to get to bed. I'll try tomorrow morning. All three of them need to start sharing their opinions though. | ||
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On September 27 2011 13:53 chaoser wrote: kitaman on iGrok: iGrok claims third party. Kitaman says "Don't kill him, give him strict instructions and if he doesn't follow them, lynch him." iGrok proceeds to not follow said instructions. kitaman never gets on his case and votes for me first and only changes later to iGrok. Nope, on day three I wanted you both lynched. Quit trying to argue how I favaored one over the another. On September 27 2011 13:53 chaoser wrote: kitaman on chaoser: I claim I killed a mafia and have not only the breadcrumbs to back it up but also no one counterclaims. I never claim third party. "His powers don't make sense as a townie, he's third party, lynch him!" Your powers don't make sense as townie, you are third party, and we should lynch you On September 27 2011 13:53 chaoser wrote: Firstly, my KP has already been removed from the game; as long as mafia has roleblock, they can use it on me. If I really was third party, which apparently only kitaman and not the mafia team can see (Radfield already said to town he thought I was 3rd party btw), you'd think mafia team would LOVE for me to use my KP to weed out town since at this point mafia are on the backfoot (3 dead mafia in 4 days) and I would obviously shoot townies. Hey look, chaoser is admitting it would be the optimal play right now for a Serial Killer to shoot townies. Lets lynch him. On September 27 2011 13:53 chaoser wrote: Secondly, no one (aside from me) knows whether I HAVE KP or not. I never said I was a compulsive vigi and it can be seen in supersoft's flip that roles with restrictive KPs exist. So kitaman's argument about "extending the game" falls flat on its face. Yep, pretty sure you DO HAVE A KP. You already were forced to claim that you shot twice. Don't bother responding with your "restriction" nonsense. On September 27 2011 13:53 chaoser wrote: If I actually was a serial killer, why would I want to keep another SK alive? We obviously can't win together since SKs need to be the lat man standing to win (This is generally how it's always worked on TL Mafia.) Unless we were a team, which we aren't since iGrok flipped mafia, SK would never push for a "keep SKs alive!" platform for OTHER SKs. As long as iGrok was alive, he would always be ahead of you in the lynch queue. Sounds like a good deal for a bulletproof serial killer. Sorry, but your time is up. On September 27 2011 13:53 chaoser wrote: Faulty logic will serve as your downfall kitaman. I should have gotten you lynched or shot in XXXIX. I'll be sure to do it this game. I repay all my debts. Oh rly? You're going to try to kill me because I was scum in A DIFFERENT GAME? That's nice and relavent. On September 27 2011 14:22 chaoser wrote: Here's what I think happened. 1) Obviously the mafia team thinks I'm third party as per Radfield's quotes 2) The mafia team saw that a kill had happened that wasn't their own (Radfield is dead) and Kitaman goes out on a limb and asked me if I had killed that night since they think I'm SK and obviously an SK would want to kill every night. 3) He claims he tracked me but doesn't say to who. lol quote of the night. This is why you can't trust a serial killer. They only care about survival and will attack whoever is the biggest threat to them. I did not go out on a limb. I saw you kill someone. I did not ask you if you shot anyone, I asked you who you shot. There were around 20 players left in the game. How in the world would I have known it was chaoser if I had not tracked him. You're starting to get desperate. On September 27 2011 14:27 chaoser wrote: Kitaman has yet to name his role like he asked me to. Would giving the name of your character really be that advantageous to mafia? Also, I find it interesting that kitaman basically claimed a blue role on Day 3 and yet mafia didn't kill him, instead going for a kill on supersoft, someone that they didn't know was blue or not. Why let a tracker, even a gimped tracker survive, especially someone like kitaman who is a decent vet town player survive? One track on a mafia pulling off a kill would immediately fuck them over. Yes, I have. Immediately after my claim. You know supersoft was a mafia kill? Is that a slip? On September 27 2011 18:04 Pyo wrote: If kita is scum, then so is chaoser – only way I can rationalize both claims. Nope, I'm town. chaoser is serial killer. | ||
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On September 27 2011 13:25 GreYMisT wrote: What is your opinon on Heist Kitaman? I'll take a look during my lunch break. On September 27 2011 21:38 jcarlsoniv wrote: Kita - how bout this. If we don't find any scum before the end of the day, we can look at chaoser. You have wasted a lot of time pushing hard for someone who is pretty convincingly 3rd party, but would t you rather lynch scum if we can? Yep, the only thing I'm thinking is that if we have a mislynch today, then we might never be in the position to lynch him again. He is a 100% shot, where others may only be 50/50. But yes, if we manage to nail a scum within the next 10 hours, then that would be ideal. At this point, I think draz is the most likely candidate, but he seems to have gone MIA. | ||
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I've already confirmed my role as the tracker, so I see little reason why I should provide more information to mafia than necessary. | ||
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How do you know they didn't shoot draz and prp? Or double stack prp? Slip? If you want to play this game, why weren't you shot? You called yourself a confirmed town in the thread, claimed Faramir, a likely blue, and are a veteran as well. Why is the medic claim still alive 2 days after claiming? Only scum know the reasoning for their shots, but I'm guessing trying to get the ring is at the top of their agenda. | ||
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On September 27 2011 23:33 chaoser wrote: You say nothing about tracking me till 6 hours later, that's 7 hours since the flip: I later question you as to why you posted that so late and you respond with: And yet between the flip and you saying you tracked me 6 hours later, not once did you ask me what my opinions are of people, what I thought of the situation of town, or who I thought were mafia. If you really "wanted to see my agenda" you would have done as such instead of waiting around posting nothing at me, instead of asking questions to greymist and ciryandor. Are you honestly still arguing that I'm lying about my tracking claim? I SAW YOU KILL SOMEONE. Yes, I didn't immediately claim, but you can't continue to deny the fact that I tracked you. You already admitted it. You and Palmar are really going all out to push me. 3rd party sticking together? :p | ||
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On September 27 2011 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'm heavily leaning towards scum on kita too, so i don't really care which one is on the line today. Let's see what they have to say about these accusations. Are you kidding me? Palmar repeating it 100 times doesn't make it true. Don't let them push an awful mislynch like this. | ||
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On September 28 2011 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: And don't worry, i won't let anyone lead me to think who should or shouldn't be lynched. I've learned my lesson in day 2 already. Do you honestly buy chaoser's arguement that I'm not a tracker and that I magically just guessed that he killed someone? | ||
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Also, isn't it convenient that nobody else is committing one way or another until they see where the safe lynch is? People like draz have completely disappeared. | ||
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On September 28 2011 01:30 Palmar wrote: List of people you're allowed to lynch: Kitaman (Mafia) Chaoser (SK) obviously we should just kill kitaman, as chaoser can be lynched as soon as he has a bad shot. How about we lynch him BEFORE he has a bad shot? He admitted earlier that a SK will probably be aiming for town. If we mislynch today, its incredibly likely that we won't have another opporunity like this. draz and chaoser should be the only two people considered with the cycle being 7/8ths over. I'm not sold on heist enough yet to be willing to risk a lynch over a sure thing. On September 28 2011 01:46 Palmar wrote: or chaoser, I actually don't mind killing sks Could have fooled me. Also, why are we all automatically assuming Gollum isn't scum? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings#Main_characters Under the antagonists we have Sauron (DrH) Wormtongue (Radfield) Saruman (mentioned in igrok's flip) Gollum | ||
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On September 28 2011 02:01 jcarlsoniv wrote: Kita, who did you track night 1 wherebugsgo, he never left his house. | ||
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On September 28 2011 02:07 GreYMisT wrote: One interesting thing I have found is that, during the iGrok lynch Kitaman came out and said he saw chaoser kill someone, and clearly indicated that he did not believe his claim. However, he supported the iGrok lynch over chaoser that day. With that kind of information and belief, you would think that you would have pushed for chaoser to die a little more. If it is true that iGrok was planned by scum to die, this line of actions would make sense for kitaman. Sigh, so first I'm guilty for pushing chaoser, and now I'm guilty for pushing iGrok? Both had to die. Once most of town agreed that chaoser was the serial killer, I was willing to switch to iGrok. On September 24 2011 02:19 kitaman27 wrote: Look, we both agree iGrok can't be allowed to live to engame. If he gets lynched today, then that's fine by me. If there is a chance he is scum, not survivor, it might even be a better choice to kill him first. However, there is no doubt in my mind that chaoser is not town. It was pretty unlikely that chaoser was scum, rather than serial killer, so I swapped to iGrok first in order to possibly reduce the town kp. Now that iGrok is dead, chaoser obviously needs someone to push in order to save his own hide so he chose the person that is most likely to push him. Trying to argue that I'm not a tracker is nonsense. | ||
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On September 28 2011 02:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why did you track him, he was 90% sure to die night 1? Why was that? With all the confusion he was causing, a scum hit seemed unlikely. I suppose a vig shot was possible, but you don't just ignore the best choice for an information check, hoping that there is a vig in the game and they decide to shoot him night one. My day three check is still alive, however. | ||
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On September 28 2011 02:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Kitaman, who do you think is mafia? You think chaoser is SK, this is for sure, but who is mafia? If I had to choose one person, draz seems the most likely. I just can't understand why a town medic would protect igrok night one. He was being completely useless and there was a 0% chance of him being hit. What kind of medic publicly role claims in the thread revealing their role, in order to attempt to confirm the claim of a third party? In addition, he said he claimed because he was obviously going to be hit at night. I just don't see how this makes sense. Palmar could very well be a scum gollum. Every game I've ever seen him play as scum, he always takes the pro-town stance and busses his scumbuddies at will. The remaining mafia are likely located in the group of lurkers, GGQ, ON, Archon_Toilet, Cheese, heist. With DrH, Radfield, and iGrok already flipping, there has to be at least a couple newer players. I'm not confidant enough to be willing to push any of them, so close to the lynch though. The last thing we need is another last minute swap like on day one and two. | ||
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Mafia doesn't like to kill 3rd parties...QUOTE] [QUOTE]On September 28 2011 02:26 chaoser wrote: Mafia doesn't like to kill 3rd parties...QUOTE] [QUOTE]On September 28 2011 02:26 chaoser wrote: Mafia doesn't like to kill 3rd parties...QUOTE] I'm trying to get you killed, you're 3rd party. I'm not mafia! Yay chaoser! | ||
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On September 28 2011 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are yourself in danger to get lynched. Why won't you push anyone? Swapping a lynch from myself to another town doesn't help us one bit. With 4-5 kp at night, we can't afford to mislynch, which is why I'm learning towards going after the sure thing. I already explained earlier that draz would probably be the person I would feel best about going after. He would probably be the only person I would consider at this point, unless something drastic happens over the next few hours. | ||
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On September 28 2011 02:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you think, let's say me over you as townie lynched is "no point of changing"? You don't think you could do more as a town than me? I highly doubt. I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. With the day 7/8th of the way over, we are probably past the point of convincing everyone that someone like GGQ, ON, or Archon with having enough certainity that we don't mislynch. What I'm saying is that we should narrow the lynch candidates between draz and chaoser because they are the surest thing for today. | ||
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On September 28 2011 02:45 Palmar wrote: btw @rayn, because it pains me to see you fail so hard after having some decent posts: Drazerk is basically modconfirmed medic. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11544417 <-- read this post and the next 5 after it. Now stop it, let's kill kita. Just because he might be a medic, doesn't mean he is town aligned. You were on my scum team for both WaW2 and Personality mafia and both games we had a scum medic on our team. I'm suspicious why you would purposely overlook this fact. | ||
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On September 28 2011 02:49 chaoser wrote: Basically Curu confirmed that 1) the medic protected two people 2) the medic was informed later that one of the people he protected was hit. So unless some other double protecting medic wants to come out, Drazerk is the medic and since he protected someone I assume his claim is true (that he didn't know who he protected at first and then he did later) You can't fake claim that shit unless it was real lol Draz also claimed a hit, so if he is telling the truth, there must be at least 1 other protective role. With the jailer that already flipped, does it really make sense for town to have 3 medics? I think not. | ||
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On September 28 2011 02:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sorry, i misread the other mod post. Yeah, i'm up for lynching kita. ##Unvote ##Vote Kitaman27 ... GGQ, Grey, ON, Archon, Cheese, heist, Tance, Pyro...do any of you guys have an opinion or are you all going to sit back and watch the mislynch? | ||
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On September 28 2011 06:01 GreYMisT wrote: After thinking it over I am inclined to believe that Chaoser is telling the truth. 1) the past 2 times he has killed, he has expressed suspicion of that person in the thread, and has attacked from a town agenda (pushed for prp's lynch day1 and a lot of us were suspicious of radfield) 2) His play does not say SK to me at all. Rather than attacking threats to himself, he is activly hunting scum 3) I dont think he is scum (because of the radfield kill) With that said, I think Kitaman is our best canidate atm, As Chaoser pointed out there are some very odd things about the way his role claim happened. His day1 play seemed slightly off to me as well. Only did one pressure vote, didnt any real opinions, just defending/clarifying points, then jumped on the errandor wagon when it appeared. the rest has already been mentioned many times. ##Vote Kitaman Greymist. I honestly think you are the only person in the thread that doesn't think chaoser is a serial killer. Are you still willing to reason or is this a lost cause? This is only your 3rd-4th game, so I'm not sure if you are just unaware about how unlikely his claim is or what. In the history of team liquid mafia, there has never been a town aligned bulletproof compulsive vigilante. This role would be beyond broken for town. Even if every single one of us were vanilla town and we had 1 bulletproof compulsive vigilante, the setup would still be town favored. In there history of teamliquid mafia, there are only a handful of town aligned players who ever ever been bulletproof. You only see them in PYP games and the occassion theme game. In the history of teamliquid mafia, there have only been a handful of town aligned compulsive vigilantes. It is absolutely impossible to take two of the strongest possible roles and combining them. How can you say he is not attacking threats to himself? He has been trying to get my lynched all day long. | ||
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On September 28 2011 06:15 TranceStorm wrote: Yeah but waiting for 7 hours doesn't change the fact that there is still only a 3/20 chance of being correct. And if he were mafia, it would be even lower because he would have had to identify the vig/3rd party. Regardless of his suspicious actions, the fact that he made that correct call is so unlikely if he were mafia. Arguing with a serial killer is pointless. I even breadcrumbed my suspicion of him, right before the day post. It's crazy to think I didn't track him. A few games back when I was watcher, I sat on my red check an entire day before claiming. Just because I didn't instantly claim, doesn't mean the claim is fake. | ||
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On September 28 2011 06:27 chaoser wrote: You claimed gimped tracker...there has NEVER been such a role in TL mafia. Not in themed games, not in PYP games, not in anything. So yeah... Are you honestly trying to argue that a nerfed tracker is more likely than a bulletproof compuslive vigilante..... | ||
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On September 28 2011 06:27 Palmar wrote: No one actually cares that he's an SK. We're lynching scum, you are a subset of scum. Are you the roleblocker? You said just a few hours ago that you were fine with lynching the SK. You and chaoser have been buddy, buddy the entire game. How could I be the roleblocker when I've already confirmed myself as a tracker... | ||
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On September 28 2011 06:29 GreYMisT wrote: As far as I understand his claim, He is not compulsive, he can just shoot if certain criteria are met. I think it is possible he is SK, its just other than his role, nothing he has done has seemed SKish. He is lying. He has no requirements. Do you think its really a coincidence he won't ever reveal them? Is it really a coincidence that he just happened to get a bulletproof role and survive the shot? It is really a coincidence that he just happened to have a kp when he got tracked? The claim was far too convenient. Fine, even if he has requirements, do you really think there is a bulletproof player in the game who can shoot? It's just so unreasonable. Yes, other than his role he has done everything that makes him seem skish. On day two, he 100% supports igrok after his third party claim. He makes a specific reference to the assassin game, talking about how its always a waste to lynch third party. He was keeping around igrok because it meant that iGrok would always get lynched before him. Shooting radfield is 100% in line with a sk agenda. Not only does it give him town cred as third party, it also removes the player that is most capable of leading a lynch against him. | ||
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On September 28 2011 06:34 Palmar wrote: mafia can share information, alternatively you guys shot chaoser and gambled him being SK. I'm fine with lynching the SK, but that's not an option now, 1h30 minutes until the lynch and he has what... 1 vote? You switching would make it 3:2. This lynch is nowhere near decided with all the lurkers sitting back and watching. | ||
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It was the prot game. I'm pretty sure you played too. I watched DropBear visit a kill and held off claiming to wait and see what he did. | ||
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Right now I'm at four. Throwing 1 vote here and 1 vote there isn't going to do much for me. | ||
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On September 28 2011 07:21 OriginalName wrote: Ok I personally think Kita is the scummiest person out of the viable lynch targets. Moreover he still refuses to reveal who he tracked other than Chaoser, and while for all we know its just a gambit to buy Town-cred. Sorry I havent been all that active today yesterday was a clusterfuck and by the time I get back from classes and stuff Its around this time. ##Vote Kitaman haha nice to see you finally show up at the last minute. Nice one. | ||
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On September 28 2011 07:23 OriginalName wrote: Its not like I do it on purpose ._. Answer me this: Do you honestly think I took a 1/20 shot and lied about tracking? Also, why did you claim a vanilla town Arwen, the Evenstar so easily when it was clear iGrok was just fishing for blues? | ||
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huh? Then who did you claim ON? | ||
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On September 28 2011 07:27 OriginalName wrote: Then why not disclose at least 1-2 results then if your going to claim tracker than and then survive then following night something is up, for all I know both of you could be fakeclaiming and gambitting at this point its not a half bad guess. I already did. Did you not read the entire thread yet? I claimed to track WBG on day one. | ||
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On September 28 2011 07:28 kitaman27 wrote: I already did. Did you not read the entire thread yet? I claimed to track WBG on day one. And since it doesnt really seem to matter. I tracked you last night. You didn't commit an action. | ||
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On September 28 2011 07:29 OriginalName wrote: Who managed to die, its easy to claim to check that (while it Is WIFOM). Will you confirm that you didn't make an action last night? | ||
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On September 28 2011 07:30 OriginalName wrote: Uggh why do you guys make my life miserable like this, all right but then I ask, Who should we lynch, Another last minute wagon on somebody is going to end up like the last 2 times. Im sorta against lynching Palmar dispite his trollishness purely because he has had some good posts lately. We 100% need to lynch chaoser before end game. He is a confirmed serial killer. He is our best option at this point. | ||
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EVERYONE READ THIS POST Radfield masoned me on night one. Nobody can counter claim this. I didn't claim it earlier because I wanted to trap mafia. Obviously, they would have known that I was in contact with him so they would be weary of going after me knowing that I had the claim in my back pocket. Tonight, we lynch the serial killer choaser. Tomorrow, we clean up based on today's mess. Here are my logs. Radfied played it very carefully. He gave me hardly any reads and mainly bussed his own teammates. Its possible I may have missed something however. Everyone should be switching over to chaoser now. Kurumi Hey there, what are your thoughts on the game so far? Sauron lol hai, who is this? Kurumi I think its best if we remained anonymous for now. Sauron Err, but you just targetted me as a mason didn't you? So don't you know who I am? Kurumi No, my role is different from the one Wiggles flipped as having. My targets are chosen at random. I think its best if our identites remain hidden. I don't know if I can trust you yet. Sauron Heh ok, I'll play along, yet the only person I can imagine would ever mason me is jcarl <3 So are masoned for the rest of the game or do you pick a new target each cycle? Kurumi Only for today. What do you think about last night's hits? Sauron Wait, so you can pick a target each cycle? Kurumi No, like I said, it is randomly chosen for me. Sauron Well there seems to be 4kp, which seems like a lot for mafia to have in a 3 player game. There might be a vig or a SK who shot last night. Sauron lol nevermind, I'm dumb. The lynch from yesterday was included in the day post -_- Is there anyone that stands out to you so far? Kurumi Radfield and DoctorHelvetica should have been shot last night. They are the far more experienced players compared to the group of players that mafia went after. That alone makes me think we should keep on eye on them. JeeJee, jackal, kitaman27, and Palmar all should be contributing more at this point. Sauron chaoser claimed to have been shot. Do you buy it? I don't see why mafia would risk a role claim as vet after night one, but he has been known to make fake claims in the past. Also, what do you make of this: A message has been delivered to all within the realm! The message reads: Fdehfq ht Ytxm Kurumi chaoser hasn't claimed vet. At this point, I think it's a null tell. The message is a distraction to town. It should be ignored for now. Sauron Does that mean you think it comes from scum? Kurumi I don't know, but its pointless to speculate. Who do you plan to push today for the lynch? Sauron I might have a couple people in mind, but I'm going to hold off for now. How about you? Kurumi DoctorHelvetica's play so far has been extremely inconsistant. I'm really not liking how he has played so far. What do you think? Sauron What in particular do you not like from DrH? I agree he probably would be a likely day one night shot if he were town. The way he was responding to people on day one makes me think he might have something to hide. sadroba as scum can be really tricky. After missing day 1, I'm worried he might continue making minimal contributions. There are also a bunch of lurkers that really need to start posting more. Its hard to get a read on them, when they only have a bunch of one liners. chaos has also been pretty useless thus far. What do you think about kita's analysis? Sauron hmm apparently it seems like chaos is quitting. Do you think he is serious or is that just an act to gain town cred? Sauron lol guess that answers that -_- Hopefully DrH flipping will give us something for day two. Kurumi Yes, filtering through his posts is a good idea. This post in particular I find strange: "Greymist straight up asking for the ring day 1 doesn't bode well for him. ##Vote Greymist" As scum, why is he placing his vote on Greymist for such weak reasons? I'm thinking his goal on day one might have been to distance himself from his scumbuddies. I might not be around a computer for a while, but I'll try to come up with a few suspects when I'm back. Town really needs to start narrowing down the suspect list. Sauron Maybe, DrH is a good enough player to plan something like that ahead of time, but I'm not really sure about that post in particular. Sauron Heh iGrok's claim sure did come out of nowhere. What do you think? The timing of his claim is rather weird, since he wasn't really under much pressure. Even if he is telling the truth, he needs to shoot tonight, or else he can use the kp against town later on. Sauron lol a day vig? It looks like he survived, so either syllo is lying about his claim or iGrok was fake claiming. Sauron Now I'm completely lost. Why on earth would draz protect iGrok on night one? All he had was a handfull of one liners and basically had no chance of getting hit. What do you think? Sauron You're not JeeJee are you? Don't get modkilled on me -_- Sauron lol nevermind, he would have flipped blue. >.< Kurumi Sorry, I am back. iGrok's claim makes absoultely no sense as scum. There is no way a mafia would make a claim like that on day two with only three votes on himself. Mafia all have safe claims. No sane scum would claim Barlog, which is clearly not town aligned. I'm thinking we should make him use his shot tonight and use it against the scumteam. Jackal or maybe supersoft would be much better lynches today. Radfield's analysis on Jackal seems pretty convincing, although I'm not sure how much he can be trusted. Sauron Jackal is someone I've also been pretty suspicious of. He is usually the most aggressive player in the game, yet he hasn't really showed that yet. When JeeJee posted a case against him, he completely ignored it, rather than responding or calling it out as a bad argument. lol I can probably narrow down your identity based on the people who haven't voted iGrok :p Kurumi Good luck with that. I'm out for a while, hopefully I come back to a scum lynch. Sauron Oh, are we allowed to still talk after the day ends? As in can we talk during the night before you get a new target? Kurumi Yep. Sauron err doh. At least he was a miller, rather than vanilla or blue. Sauron Any thoughts on who we should be having iGrok shoot tonight? I wonder if he will agree to shoot himself -_- Kurumi He needs to decide who he thinks is most likely scum. We can't claim in the thread because if we tell him to shoot a scum, then the mafia could roleblock him. Sauron I suppose, but at least that would mean mafia wouldn't have a role block to use on anybody else. Kurumi It's fine if you don't want to, but do you want to role claim to me? You don't have to tell me who you are. I won't share it with anybody else, but it might be useful to be able to form a town circle later on where we can coodinate everyones actions. Sauron there aren't pms in the game, besides your random mason. I don't really see how a town circle could be formed at this point. For now, I think I'll hold off on claiming. [b]Kurumi OK that's fine. I won't be back until the day post. Nice chatting with you Anything else to add? [b]Sauron lol, cya. Maybe you'll get unlucky and get stuck with me again for another cycle ^_^ | ||
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On September 28 2011 07:38 chaoser wrote: Calling bullshit on it Of course you would. | ||
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On September 28 2011 07:40 OriginalName wrote: The only thing it has going for it in my books is that it seems like too much effort to fake, but that in and of itself is kind of a null tell. Kitaman has had to have all the info dragged out at the last minute like he wanted to stifle dissucussion and create a last minute lynch as late as possible. Im not moving an inch. Not a single person is able to counter claim that Radfield was in contact with me. There is no way Radfield would contact his own teammate on night one. EVERYONE SHOULD BE SWITCHING TO CHAOSER. | ||
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On September 28 2011 07:42 GreYMisT wrote: I don't see the trap, what point are you trying to make? Scum knew that I was masoned with radfield. I used that information against them. They can't willingly push me without being afraid of the fact that I'm eventually going to claim as his mason partner. This is the reason so many people have been absent or voting for people who have no chance of being lynched, because of their guilt. Please switch chaoser. | ||
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Heist, you've also stated that I'm not scummy, yet you're making no effort to save me. Please switch your vote from ON to chaoser. Same goes for pyo. Archon_Toilet, GGQ, you guys there? . | ||
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We need to consolidate within the next 10 minutes. That means 5 votes to save me. | ||
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Kurumi 09-19-2011 07:25 PM ET (US) Hey there, what are your thoughts on the game so far? Sauron 09-19-2011 09:32 PM ET (US) lol hai, who is this? Kurumi 09-19-2011 09:32 PM ET (US) I think its best if we remained anonymous for now. Sauron 09-19-2011 09:41 PM ET (US) Err, but you just targetted me as a mason didn't you? So don't you know who I am? Kurumi 09-19-2011 09:43 PM ET (US) No, my role is different from the one Wiggles flipped as having. My targets are chosen at random. I think its best if our identites remain hidden. I don't know if I can trust you yet. Sauron 09-19-2011 09:43 PM ET (US) Heh ok, I'll play along, yet the only person I can imagine would ever mason me is jcarl <3 So are masoned for the rest of the game or do you pick a new target each cycle? Kurumi 09-19-2011 09:45 PM ET (US) Only for today. What do you think about last night's hits? Sauron 09-19-2011 09:47 PM ET (US) Wait, so you can pick a target each cycle? Kurumi 09-19-2011 09:48 PM ET (US) No, like I said, it is randomly chosen for me. Sauron 09-19-2011 09:56 PM ET (US) Well there seems to be 4kp, which seems like a lot for mafia to have in a 3 player game. There might be a vig or a SK who shot last night. Sauron 09-19-2011 09:57 PM ET (US) lol nevermind, I'm dumb. The lynch from yesterday was included in the day post -_- Is there anyone that stands out to you so far? Kurumi 09-19-2011 10:01 PM ET (US) Radfield and DoctorHelvetica should have been shot last night. They are the far more experienced players compared to the group of players that mafia went after. That alone makes me think we should keep on eye on them. JeeJee, jackal, kitaman27, and Palmar all should be contributing more at this point. Sauron 09-19-2011 10:04 PM ET (US) chaoser claimed to have been shot. Do you buy it? I don't see why mafia would risk a role claim as vet after night one, but he has been known to make fake claims in the past. Also, what do you make of this: Kurumi 09-19-2011 10:48PM ET (US) chaoser hasn't claimed vet. At this point, I think it's a null tell. The message is a distraction to town. It should be ignored for now. Sauron 09-19-2011 10:55PM ET (US) Does that mean you think it comes from scum? Kurumi 09-19-2011 10:58PM ET (US) I don't know, but its pointless to speculate. Who do you plan to push today for the lynch? Sauron 09-19-2011 11:00PM ET (US) I might have a couple people in mind, but I'm going to hold off for now. How about you? Kurumi 09-19-2011 11:07PM ET (US) DoctorHelvetica's play so far has been extremely inconsistant. I'm really not liking how he has played so far. What do you think? Sauron 09-19-2011 11:11PM ET (US) What in particular do you not like from DrH? I agree he probably would be a likely day one night shot if he were town. The way he was responding to people on day one makes me think he might have something to hide. sadroba as scum can be really tricky. After missing day 1, I'm worried he might continue making minimal contributions. There are also a bunch of lurkers that really need to start posting more. Its hard to get a read on them, when they only have a bunch of one liners. chaos has also been pretty useless thus far. What do you think about kita's analysis? Sauron 09-19-2011 11:16PM ET (US) hmm apparently it seems like chaos is quitting. Do you think he is serious or is that just an act to gain town cred? Sauron 09-20-2011 9:21AM ET (US) lol guess that answers that -_- Hopefully DrH flipping will give us something for day two. Kurumi 09-20-2011 10:05AM ET (US) Yes, filtering through his posts is a good idea. This post in particular I find strange: "Greymist straight up asking for the ring day 1 doesn't bode well for him. ##Vote Greymist" As scum, why is he placing his vote on Greymist for such weak reasons? I'm thinking his goal on day one might have been to distance himself from his scumbuddies. I might not be around a computer for a while, but I'll try to come up with a few suspects when I'm back. Town really needs to start narrowing down the suspect list. [quote] Sauron 09-20-2011 10:24AM ET (US) Maybe, DrH is a good enough player to plan something like that ahead of time, but I'm not really sure about that post in particular. | ||
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There is no way I could have come up with that is 2 minutes | ||
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On September 28 2011 07:56 chaoser wrote: I'm willing to switch to either ON or cyber_cheese, my two reads, to save you Fine, truce for now. Please vote ON | ||
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On September 28 2011 07:59 Drazerk wrote: Scum choose who sends the hits each night don't they very possible for ON not to kill anyone with 3 scum left Do we know they choose or is it random? | ||
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On September 28 2011 08:03 Palmar wrote: wait did you not manage to swing the vote? No help to you, who conveiently disappeared after I confirmed myself. Same with jcarl and pyo. | ||
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On September 28 2011 08:04 kitaman27 wrote: No thanks to you, who conveniently disappeared after I confirmed myself. Same with jcarl and pyo. ebwop | ||
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On September 28 2011 08:06 chaoser wrote: He's probably gollum Another guy to lynch before you? It's your lucky day chaoser! <3 | ||
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lol good thing our faithful serial killer, err I mean Boromir, is bulletproof. | ||
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On September 28 2011 08:26 Palmar wrote: what chaoser isn't telling is that the game ends in a 3rd party victory if he survives Does the same condition apply, if you survive the night? | ||
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On September 28 2011 08:28 chaoser wrote: I got two active abilities: 1) I kill someone 2) I check a votelist to see if anyone in it has the ring I also have the passive ability of being bulletproof How about your name/safe claim? | ||
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On September 28 2011 08:31 Palmar wrote: I've been playing intentionally shitty and throwing out bad accusations (lol, radfield town... and sand/syllo scummy) to get mafia not to shoot me. I genuinely thought kita was scum though. What doesn't make sense, is why would you claim right now if you knew chaoser would just shoot you? | ||
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On September 28 2011 08:33 jcarlsoniv wrote: You know what's fun Palmar? Scum will be more than happy to kill you because then they will get the Ring. Awesome... lol not that you mind. I have to say, you kinda broke my heart when you abandoned me. I stil <3 you though ^_^ | ||
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Now you guys have to be trolling... | ||
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On September 28 2011 08:47 chaoser wrote: If palmer wins it's cause you outted me -_- My bad. How was I supposed to know you hit Radfield and not one of the other targets You should have pushed Palmar during the day, rather than making up some nonsense about how I wasn't really a tracker and randomly guessed your role. | ||
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On September 28 2011 08:49 Drazerk wrote: MURDER PALMAR ACHIEVE VICTORY FOR YOUR FACTION that is all you really need to know... lol which faction exactly is that? | ||
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On September 28 2011 09:08 heist wrote: Hmm i was leaning town on jcarl with pyo and archon as complete tossups. What makes you think town with jcarl? | ||
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On September 28 2011 09:11 heist wrote: At this point, sorry to say, none of the lynches have been really informative. He's a reasonable guy with a good presence. Today's lynch was still pretty informative. There were a ton of people who questioned my tracker role, painting me as lying about it. It never should have taken the conversation with radfield to save myself. There were also a bunch of people who took no effort to save me, even after the reveal. Either they didn't care who got lynched or were purposely avoiding the thread around 7pm. | ||
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Why did you guys choose to shoot radfield/sandroba on night two, if your win condition was to obtain the ring? | ||
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So chaoser, are you saying obtaining the ring made you town, rather than making it so you win the game tonight? Also, draz, can you confirm that you protected chaoser? And if so, why are you protecting bulletproof third party? | ||
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THAT'S IT. I DON'T CARE WHAT SIDE YOU'RE ON. ##LYNCH CHAOSER | ||
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I'm also incredibly suspcious of you now DropBear. The only reason I was giving Archon_Toilet a pass was because he acted like a complete noobie. The effort you have put in so far this game is extremely disturbing. | ||
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On September 30 2011 02:04 Archon_Toilet wrote: I think the remaining mafia are cyber_cheese and pyo. You state that there are 2 mafia remaining as if it is a fact. How do you know this? | ||
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On September 30 2011 03:04 chaoser wrote: Generally in a 30 person game there's 6 mafia. Why would he automatically go down to not 4, rather than thinking the obvious number of 6? It's as if he is purposely trying to be ignorant of the likely number. | ||
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@rayn, who do you want to lynch and why? @jcarl, you were pretty absent the previous lynch and didn't come in until the last minute to vote Palmar. Thoughts? | ||
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Could you please explain your thought process on day two and day three for not voting iGrok? Also, why were you unwilling to switch on day 4 to save me, after I basically confirmed myself as town? It might be time for a role claim considering it seems pretty likely you're going to get lynched today. | ||
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Early in the game, Pyo had some really bizzare interactions with Radfield. From my perspective, it seems as if he is trying to distance himself from Radfield, yet it really sounds unnatural. On September 20 2011 18:10 Pyo wrote: I'm a little suspicious of radfield to be honest his analysis seems too good and too "correct." I'm mostly referring to this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11445752, but others as well. I won't advocate lynching him in case he really is that good (mafia will likely kill him soon if he's actually town), but I'd warn against reading too much into his assertion that people who stuck with their day 1 votes are automatically more scummy than the people that switched... feels like a convenient way for scum to sheep votes onto people. (Note, I'm town and I kept my vote on bugs because I felt like he was lying/being deceptive about his role claim/posting restriction... which he was) Apparently Radfield is scummy because his case was too good? That doesn't even make sense. On September 21 2011 03:55 Pyo wrote: you aren't the boss of me... I don't like the fact that you're telling me that I have to vote for one of those 3. You followed/led the lynch of Erandorr and no one really gave you any shit for it. Is it just me, or is this just a really bad attempt at scum to scum dialogue? He pretends to get upset with Radfield and later writes a lackluster analysis against him, at a time there was absolutely no chance he was going to get Radfield lynched. On September 24 2011 13:48 Pyo wrote: His behavior is consistent with 3rd party (so I suppose you could call it scummy); your behavior is consistent with mafia. His claim is at least believable; your claim seems super hasty... You just quickly copy-pasted your safe claim without thinking it through. I'll repeat, there's no way the chick that shoved a sword through the Nazgul's face is just vanilla town. But I'll tell you what, if you flip green, I'll vote for iGrok tomorrow... if he isn't offed during the night. He insists iGrok's behavior is third party, yet never explains why. Earlier in the day he calls iGrok out for saying something scummy, yet refuses to believe he is actually scum. Note how he pretends to be willing to vote iGrok, yet pushes it off to another day while he aims for a mislynch. On September 24 2011 05:53 Pyo wrote: How about this, we let iGrok tell us who to lynch. We lynch that person and when that person flips red, we let him live another day (no promises beyond that), or if that person flips not red, we vig/lynch him. I think at this point, it's worth risking a one-for-one for the chance at a free scum kill. pyo immediately backs iGrok's attempt to cause another mislynch when he claims to have found Saruman. Keep in mind that a mafia kp was likely on the line at the time of this claim. On September 26 2011 22:12 Pyo wrote: If I were mafia, I would totally name Saruman in that situation. If the accusation got ignored and iGrok was lynched anyway, Saruman would gain a shit ton of town cred for being accused by scum, while if the bandwagon really did form, then iGrok's nonsense would have been "confirmed." Either way, scum gain a "confirmed not mafia" status for one of them. After the flip, he immediately takes a different stance. This is one of the biggest contradictions that makes me suspicious of him. He goes from "cool iGrok has given us Saruman" to "lol mafia would obviously name a Saruman because he was desperate". On September 26 2011 08:45 Pyo wrote: In case you all forgot, he claimed Éowyn, shieldmaiden of rohan and VANILLA town, if that wasn't the shittiest fake claim ever... Pushes a policy lynch. On September 28 2011 06:27 Pyo wrote: If Kitman is scum, then he somehow knew that you were the one responsible for radfield, which makes you scum. Alternatively, kitman is telling the truth, which means you're telling the truth which makes him town and you 3rd party or town. Either way, I don't see a scenario where we should lynch kitaman before you. This is the trap I mentioned earlier. Pyo knows in his mind that I'm holding onto the mason claim with radfield. He is hesitant to ever push me because he knows I could claim at any moment. Instead, he weakly defends me with awful logic, saying that if I'm scum, chaoser must be scum. On September 28 2011 09:20 Pyo wrote: what the hell? Haven't we learned anything about last minute vote switching? I mean I was totally wrong about ON, but damn dudes, last minute vote switching is never a good idea. Conveniently shows up after the lynch, criticizing town about how awful the last minute vote switch was. He has been pushing ON nearly the entire game, yet pretends to be upset that we switched to him. | ||
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On September 30 2011 10:20 heist wrote: Actually, I'll be changing my vote to trancestorm. Final Vote Count for the Jackal Lynch that saved iGrok day 2: Greymist chaoser Radfield Drazerk raynpelikoneet jcarlsoniv TranceStorm OriginalName I'm almost positive there's at least one more mafia in here. Could you provide a case against Trance, rather than just a voting list? What seperates him from rayn or jcarl? | ||
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On September 30 2011 10:56 jcarlsoniv wrote: Sorry for the lurking lately. Busy day. Kita and Drazerk, I will be more inclined to listen to your opinions (obviously) because you're confirmed town. But why is there no focus on GGQ? All game, the ONLY person he focused on was iGrok. Like, unwaveringly. Now, I think it is highly likely that iGrok was meant to be bussed the entire time he was alive. Town was just too derpy to do it (not excluding myself). GGQ pushing iGrok so hard without really any other posts directed at anything else raises flags for me. To be honest, I've haven't really been paying much attention to him for the exact reason you seem to think he is scummy. The one problem with the bus theory is that GGQ was on iGrok even before he came out with the third party claim. Considering all the town cred Radfield lost on day two working to save iGrok, I'm not sure that would have planned to bus him from day one. What are you thoughts on Trance and pyo? | ||
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On September 30 2011 11:13 jcarlsoniv wrote: I think your Pyo analysis is good. I feel either Cyber or Trance is scum, just not sure which. I have no problems lynching Pyo, but I definitely want GGQ to actually do something. Agreed. Everybody needs to be contributing. There are a bunch of people who are really not pulling their weight so close to LYLO. | ||
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On September 30 2011 23:17 Pyo wrote: you kids never learn... you're really gonna go with another last minute vote swap/bandwagon? w/e ##vote: cyber_cheese lol last minute vote swap? My analysis was hardly last minute. Do you have no response? | ||
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I assume a vig isn't going to claim that?... | ||
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On October 01 2011 09:16 Pyo wrote: you all are idiots, but my bad for being too busy the last couple days to properly defend myself. sigh, srry bout that On October 01 2011 09:27 chaoser wrote: If Kita doesn't die by tmr, lynch him right... | ||
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I was rb'd again last night. | ||
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It's feasible that draz protected you as a scum medic the previous night, knowing that you would be hit in an attempt to confirm himself as a town medic. He did protect scum on night one, with his oddly chosen save of iGrok and he needed a reason to not be hit since claiming on day two. I'm not sure if scum would be willing to waste a kp though that late in the game. Or this could very well be an attempt to make us question the kills and redirect ourselves from cheese/trance. | ||
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My role allows me to track a person and receive a description of the action(s) they took at night. On night one I tracked wherebugsgo and was informed he did not leave his house. On night two I tracked chaoser and learned he returned with blood on on his hands. On night three I tracked ON and was informed he did not leave his house Night four and five I was roleblocked. draz protected igrok night one. Its apparently how igrok survived syllo's day vig. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On September 30 2011 10:20 heist wrote: Actually, I'll be changing my vote to trancestorm. Final Vote Count for the Jackal Lynch that saved iGrok day 2: Greymist chaoser Radfield Drazerk raynpelikoneet jcarlsoniv TranceStorm OriginalName I'm almost positive there's at least one more mafia in here. On October 01 2011 06:23 heist wrote: TranceStorm Again, I looked at interactions with confirmed mafia. Bad plan. Whatever. Either you are a townie posting your plan with maybe a higher purpose of discussion (which he tries to defend himself as doing when everyone shits on his plan) OR you are mafia trying to slip in a bad plan for town to follow and derail discussion on a ill-formed plan. Null-tell. But what is interesting, is you start off your posts with an automatic belief in Radfield's assumptions. You trust him. Pretty harmless at first but let's look further. Yes, yes "fair point" but then you proceed to soft defend Radfield by attacking chaos' post. Is now taking complete guidance from Radfield. His votes are being informed entirely by Radfield. He has moves off iGrok and is ready to switch last minute onto a bandwagon of Radfield's choosing. **As a side note, Radfield I have to applaud you for how well you (mis)led the town. Radfield returns the favor defending TranceStorm. No one look at Trancestorm, he's just a bad townie with a bad plan. Many people criticize his plan. Trancestorm makes an effort to address everything thrown at him and when it seems like he's failing to convince people he adds the customary "at least I'm generating discussion which is TOWN". But to DrH, it's simply: You're right. I made a bad plan and you, and only you, get the credit for correcting me. Good job. Only DrH gets him to see the error of his plan when other people have already chimed in with what is essentially the same arguments. End of the day, he votes for the candidate who makes an analysis attacking DrH. ----- Now what else do we have: - The late bandwagons and his voting patterns. - Really anti-iGrok, but who wasn't? (oh yeah me). Attacking cyber_cheese primarily for his votes and for defending iGrok. Rayn is right. This little interaction between the two of them is a little weird. I have no idea what to make of it but at best, only one of the town is mafia. Am I entirely convinced? Not completely. Radfield did a really good job of getting townies to do what he wanted. ON had many of the same mistakes and he flipped town. The late bandwagons are iffy at best as tells for alignment, and Cyber and TS can just be two townies who can't stop tunneling each other. TS was simply the better alternative to Cyber at the time. On October 02 2011 18:48 heist wrote: If it really comes down to the wire I have an iron claim. Imagine a LOTR character that HAS to be in this game simply for their importance. That's me. mr bigshsot. so ya no use voting for me. oh ya whos the other medic? confirmed townie foor sure. Mig I wish you the best in all your endeavors. It's LYLO so you might as well claim. I find it curious that you are trying to making yourself a confirmed town based on the fact that you have to be in the game, yet you're willing to vote Merry in an instant. | ||
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On October 03 2011 04:42 chaoser wrote: If what kita said is true, which, his logs seem to match, then not only did heist try to stop kita from claiming here but also bluefished for who killed Radfield. Kita, you previously only posted part of your logs with the time stamp, can you post the rest of it? Yep, here you go: + Show Spoiler + Kurumi 09-19-2011 07:25 PM ET (US) Hey there, what are your thoughts on the game so far? Sauron 09-19-2011 09:32 PM ET (US) lol hai, who is this? Kurumi 09-19-2011 09:32 PM ET (US) I think its best if we remained anonymous for now. Sauron 09-19-2011 09:41 PM ET (US) Err, but you just targetted me as a mason didn't you? So don't you know who I am? Kurumi 09-19-2011 09:43 PM ET (US) No, my role is different from the one Wiggles flipped as having. My targets are chosen at random. I think its best if our identites remain hidden. I don't know if I can trust you yet. Sauron 09-19-2011 09:43 PM ET (US) Heh ok, I'll play along, yet the only person I can imagine would ever mason me is jcarl <3 So are masoned for the rest of the game or do you pick a new target each cycle? Kurumi 09-19-2011 09:45 PM ET (US) Only for today. What do you think about last night's hits? Sauron 09-19-2011 09:47 PM ET (US) Wait, so you can pick a target each cycle? Kurumi 09-19-2011 09:48 PM ET (US) No, like I said, it is randomly chosen for me. Sauron 09-19-2011 09:56 PM ET (US) Well there seems to be 4kp, which seems like a lot for mafia to have in a 3 player game. There might be a vig or a SK who shot last night. Sauron 09-19-2011 09:57 PM ET (US) lol nevermind, I'm dumb. The lynch from yesterday was included in the day post -_- Is there anyone that stands out to you so far? Kurumi 09-19-2011 10:01 PM ET (US) Radfield and DoctorHelvetica should have been shot last night. They are the far more experienced players compared to the group of players that mafia went after. That alone makes me think we should keep on eye on them. JeeJee, jackal, kitaman27, and Palmar all should be contributing more at this point. Sauron 09-19-2011 10:04 PM ET (US) chaoser claimed to have been shot. Do you buy it? I don't see why mafia would risk a role claim as vet after night one, but he has been known to make fake claims in the past. Also, what do you make of this: Kurumi 09-19-2011 10:48PM ET (US) chaoser hasn't claimed vet. At this point, I think it's a null tell. The message is a distraction to town. It should be ignored for now. Sauron 09-19-2011 10:55PM ET (US) Does that mean you think it comes from scum? Kurumi 09-19-2011 10:58PM ET (US) I don't know, but its pointless to speculate. Who do you plan to push today for the lynch? Sauron 09-19-2011 11:00PM ET (US) I might have a couple people in mind, but I'm going to hold off for now. How about you? Kurumi 09-19-2011 11:07PM ET (US) DoctorHelvetica's play so far has been extremely inconsistant. I'm really not liking how he has played so far. What do you think? Sauron 09-19-2011 11:11PM ET (US) What in particular do you not like from DrH? I agree he probably would be a likely day one night shot if he were town. The way he was responding to people on day one makes me think he might have something to hide. sadroba as scum can be really tricky. After missing day 1, I'm worried he might continue making minimal contributions. There are also a bunch of lurkers that really need to start posting more. Its hard to get a read on them, when they only have a bunch of one liners. chaos has also been pretty useless thus far. What do you think about kita's analysis? Sauron 09-19-2011 11:16PM ET (US) hmm apparently it seems like chaos is quitting. Do you think he is serious or is that just an act to gain town cred? Sauron 09-20-2011 9:21AM ET (US) lol guess that answers that -_- Hopefully DrH flipping will give us something for day two. Kurumi 09-20-2011 10:05AM ET (US) Yes, filtering through his posts is a good idea. This post in particular I find strange: "Greymist straight up asking for the ring day 1 doesn't bode well for him. ##Vote Greymist" As scum, why is he placing his vote on Greymist for such weak reasons? I'm thinking his goal on day one might have been to distance himself from his scumbuddies. I might not be around a computer for a while, but I'll try to come up with a few suspects when I'm back. Town really needs to start narrowing down the suspect list. Sauron 09-20-2011 10:24AM ET (US) Maybe, DrH is a good enough player to plan something like that ahead of time, but I'm not really sure about that post in particular. Sauron 09-20-2011 10:55PM ET (US) Heh iGrok's claim sure did come out of nowhere. What do you think? The timing of his claim is rather weird, since he wasn't really under much pressure. Even if he is telling the truth, he needs to shoot tonight, or else he can use the kp against town later on. Sauron 09-21-2011 10:03AM ET (US) lol a day vig? It looks like he survived, so either syllo is lying about his claim or iGrok was fake claiming. Sauron 09-21-2011 2:01PM ET (US) Now I'm completely lost. Why on earth would draz protect iGrok on night one? All he had was a handfull of one liners and basically had no chance of getting hit. What do you think? Sauron 09-21-2011 2:07PM ET (US) You're not JeeJee are you? Don't get modkilled on me -_- Sauron 09-21-2011 2:07PM ET (US) lol nevermind, he would have flipped blue. >.< Kurumi 09-21-2011 4:15PM ET (US) Sorry, I am back. iGrok's claim makes absoultely no sense as scum. There is no way a mafia would make a claim like that on day two with only three votes on himself. Mafia all have safe claims. No sane scum would claim Barlog, which is clearly not town aligned. I'm thinking we should make him use his shot tonight and use it against the scumteam. Jackal or maybe supersoft would be much better lynches today. Radfield's analysis on Jackal seems pretty convincing, although I'm not sure how much he can be trusted. Sauron 09-21-2011 4:24PM ET (US) Jackal is someone I've also been pretty suspicious of. He is usually the most aggressive player in the game, yet he hasn't really showed that yet. When JeeJee posted a case against him, he completely ignored it, rather than responding or calling it out as a bad argument. lol I can probably narrow down your identity based on the people who haven't voted iGrok :p Kurumi 09-21-2011 4:30PM ET (US) Good luck with that. I'm out for a while, hopefully I come back to a scum lynch. Sauron 09-21-2011 4:33PM ET (US) Oh, are we allowed to still talk after the day ends? As in can we talk during the night before you get a new target? Kurumi 09-21-2011 4:50PM ET (US) Yep. Sauron 09-21-2011 8:35PM ET (US) err doh. At least he was a miller, rather than vanilla or blue. Sauron 09-21-2011 8:38PM ET (US) Any thoughts on who we should be having iGrok shoot tonight? I wonder if he will agree to shoot himself -_- Kurumi 09-21-2011 10:05PM ET (US) He needs to decide who he thinks is most likely scum. We can't claim in the thread because if we tell him to shoot a scum, then the mafia could roleblock him. Sauron 09-21-2011 11:55PM ET (US) I suppose, but at least that would mean mafia wouldn't have a role block to use on anybody else. Kurumi 09-22-2011 9:00AM ET (US) It's fine if you don't want to, but do you want to role claim to me? You don't have to tell me who you are. I won't share it with anybody else, but it might be useful to be able to form a town circle later on where we can coodinate everyones actions. Sauron 09-22-2011 2:29PM ET (US) there aren't pms in the game, besides your random mason. I don't really see how a town circle could be formed at this point. 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Heist, if you believed chaoser and draz were confirmed town, why did you decide to protect trance after essentially calling him out as scum earlier in the day? Did you expect him to get night hit, after being one of the main candidates the previous day? | ||
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chaoser, what's your thought on this? After not mentioning heist the first three days, greymist makes a case against him and asks multiple people their opinion. That night, greymist gets singled out as a night hit and flips dt. He switches off heist later in the day, so it might just be that he was suspicious of him, rather than getting off a red check or it could be he didn't have the votes and didn't want to claim yet. On September 26 2011 08:43 GreYMisT wrote: I Think that Heist has been acting really oddly throughout day1 and day2. Remember day1 he was the guy who advocated having 2 leading candidates each day? He soft Defended DrH day1 And defends iGrok with a burning passion using only lore, speculation, and WIFOM. Heist is scum ##Vote Heist On September 27 2011 03:43 GreYMisT wrote: What is your actual opinion on him (Heist) though? On September 27 2011 13:25 GreYMisT wrote: What is your opinon on Heist Kitaman? On September 28 2011 05:45 GreYMisT wrote: Im going to go ahead and ##Unvote Heist. He has not posted much at all today. While I still think he should be looked at, we have much bigger targets. | ||
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Assuming scum didn't pull off a save on one of their own hits (which is an assumption we can't necessarily make), this is the only logical scum team I can come up with: Cheese Trance GGQ | ||
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On October 03 2011 23:27 chaoser wrote: To be frank, I'd rather vote trance over cheese I'd be around to switch if all four of us are willing. Heist seems to think trance is town, but I'm not sure where his third scum would come from if he is. | ||
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On October 02 2011 10:09 chaoser wrote: ##vote: kitaman27 On October 02 2011 22:39 chaoser wrote: ##vote: heist On October 03 2011 10:01 chaoser wrote: ##vote cyber_cheese On October 04 2011 00:04 chaoser wrote: ##vote:TranceStorm | ||
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I think physics just broke again. | ||
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But ya, ggq tomorrow and then we can yell at each other at the final LYLO I suppose. | ||
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On October 04 2011 13:18 Drazerk wrote: Sorry Kita we don't have four medic heals but you shall not be forgotten. I see how it is. | ||
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On October 04 2011 22:25 chaoser wrote: We lynch Kita tomorrow. lol wut? Imagine you were in GGQ and Trance's position. archon and jcarl flip town and heist claims medic. I know if I were them, I would be going insane realizing that there must be at least one mafia from the following list: heist draz kita chaoser What happens instead? They sit back, lurk, and post once or twice, and mention there is "probably" a scum between me and draz. What kind of nonsense is that? There HAS to be a scum between one of us on the list if they are not scum, yet appear to not care at all. You say you've "caught" me when you switched to Trance, what difference does it make to me if you vote one scum or another? | ||
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On October 04 2011 22:46 chaoser wrote: Wrong, you never confirmed yourself as a tracker, you merely said you saw me kill someone. Seeing how bold the rest of the mafia has been with its moves and interactions with each other in the thread, this is not a surprising thing to happen. This is silly. I didn't guess you killed someone, I knew you killed someone. There were 20+ people in the game that could have taken a shot, yet I knew you were the one that did it. If mafia really "guessed" you were the SK, why not just roleblock you on night two? Radfield was the likely target and that would have been 100 times safer than risking the shot and then following up with a day three tracker claim that was unlikely to work out and would be a liability for them the entire game. On October 04 2011 22:46 chaoser wrote: And you're not confirmed as Radfield's mason target since Radfield would have obviously posted a paraphrased copy of his conversation with his target in the mafia QT and you had all day to change it around a bit and throw it out last minute (literally 10 minutes before lynch) to get a swing That's obviously me in the converstion. It's not paraphrased. I mention my lover jcarl (RIP), I mention my analysis of chaos, I mimic my suspicions of sandroba for missing day one, I vote jackal day two. Even the time stamps should match up approximately to when I'm in the thread, since its when I'm around a computer. You're tunnelling me now. On October 04 2011 22:46 chaoser wrote: We were all perfectly content with a vote on Cyber_cheese Day 5 but you come in mid cycle ith a case on Pyo even though you said you thought cyber_cheese was mafia and was completely fine with lynching him. You didn't even try to justify the change as "I think Pyo is the roleblocker" I said I was suspicious of pyo even before the day started and promised a case against him before there were any votes on cheese. Funny how the only opposition to the Pyo lynch was GGQ and Trance, who were busing their scumbuddies and wanted to avoid being part of a mislynch. On September 30 2011 06:16 heist wrote: We don't need to "lynch the roleblocker" to essentially win the game. We would have already have won if you were actually blue. If you WERE actually blue you would have just said "lol, game won. I'm blue, heist, Drazerk, and chaoser are confirmed, obviously we just lynch down the line for the last three there." Yes, lynching down the line wins the game. Lynching the roleblocker would have ended the game 144 hours earlier. I voted cheese, switched with you to trance, and switched with you back to cheese. What was I supposed to do? Refuse to switch to trance, leaving Trance and Cheese with 3 votes a piece and then let Cheese, GGQ, and Trance all unvote to switch over to someone last minute and win the game? | ||
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On October 04 2011 22:52 chaoser wrote: The reason you didn't say that, btw, was because you got greedy and wanted to win the game that day. You took my bait that I was willing to lynch TS cause all you need is one wrong vote on LYLO to win the game. lol if I was trying to push a mislynch, there would be no point trying to push it yesterday. If we were lynching down the line and I was scum, I would have won since its LYLO. Now instead, mafia has you arguing on their behalf. I even voted cheese pointing out that heist thought trance was town, so we couldn't lynch him unless he agreed because we had to lynch together. It's not like I was ever going to "bait" 1 wrong vote from you and hope you don't vote together with heist, draz, and me :/ | ||
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On October 04 2011 23:36 chaoser wrote: If you were scum, the longer you were alive, the harder it would be to justify WHY you were still alive. Wait, what? There was no way I was getting shot before draz, heist, and yourself. When exactly in the next three days would I need a reason to justify not getting night hit? On October 04 2011 23:36 chaoser wrote: I rest my case. I will be voting you tomorrow no matter what you say. I hope the rest of town can see the discrepancies as well.Especially since you claimed tracker. Like I said, on Day 4 I was roleblocked and Drazerk was shot at. Why roleblock me if the only valid target I expressed that I might shoot at is you if you were indeed blue? And why weren't you roleblocked/killed instead? lol well I'll continue to argue I suppose. Game ends when a single town misvotes. Why would I leave myself hanging on day 3 without a roleblock claim or a claim to have taken a hit. If I was really scum, I could have let cheese heal me, let you shoot me, and confirm myself as being hit and cheese as a town medic. You're arguing WIFOM. If that isn't me in the mason chat with Radfield, who else could it be? Nobody has counter claimed and its not like Radfield would mason a scumbuddy. Check the timestamps if you don't believe me. They line up exactly to when I'm present in the thread. I provided those timestamps within 2 minutes of you asking for them. It's not like I could go back in the thread, convert the TL time to ET for every post I've made, line them up exactly with my conversation with Radfield, format them properly for a quicktopic post, and copy and paste them into the logs in 120 seconds. | ||
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On October 05 2011 03:03 TranceStorm wrote: Finally, question for kitaman - what was your reasoning for posting those logs so late in the day? Scum (yourself included) knew I had the logs in my posession. Town did not. I tried to use their knowledge against them to create a trap. Nobody would have felt safe pushing me that day who was scum because they knew I had the claim in my backpocket. I waited to the final hour of the cycle because it forced people to make a stance, not knowing when I would come out and claim. | ||
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On October 05 2011 03:45 chaoser wrote: BTW, medics, reading through the thread the mafia probably have a bomber and a roleblocker left. . Where exactly does a mafia tracker fit in there? | ||
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I'll post my thoughts either tonight or tomorrow morning. | ||
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Awful mislynch, you cannot pass! Last night, I recieved a game changing result. Knowing that Trance and GGQ were likely scum, I decided to check heist with my track to prevent any last minute shenanigans. To my surprise, however, I recieved a most unexpected result: heist was seen carrying a pile of ropes and medieval duck tape. This means heist is the mafia roleblocker. Now this is my theory: I think on day four, scum decided to protect draz and hit him with their own kp. Then when the first person came under fire (heist), he would claim medic, essentially confirming himself for the remainder of the game. 1 kp is a small price to pay for living under endgame unquestiond. Scum obviously thought I would be tracking Trance or GGQ so they made no effort in roleblocking me. I know you guys are going to say this is a desperation act, but please reread the thread and at least consider the possibility. Greymist came up with a red dt check on heist was was immediately hit the next morning. This game, heist has made no effort to push a single scum and has coasted by until endgame. If you have any questions, I'll try to be around to answer them. ##vote heist | ||
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On October 05 2011 13:36 chaoser wrote: Final post on kita btw but if Scum knew: 1) you had the logs in your possession and that you would use it as a "trap" against them and thus never feel safe pushing a case against you. 2) You publicly claimed TRACKER then why didn't they kill you before you could get it out? Day 4: supersoft, prplhz dead! <- They could have shot you on this day. Instead they shot Drazerk and supersoft and only "roleblocked" you. They obviously shot Draz, intending to shoot me the following day once the medic was dead. I'm not sure why they shot supersoft, but maybe they had a blue read on him. | ||
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On October 05 2011 12:11 heist wrote: Drazerk nooooo! I shall avenge you, my daughter(?) sry i got roleblocked. oh rly, then how did you leave your house last night? | ||
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On October 05 2011 22:18 chaoser wrote: Lol... Trying to get the confirmed medic lynch cause making a case against ts would make him auto lynch you He is a confirmed medic, but is he a confirmed town medic? No. He was using Cheese as his proxy role. Why would I bring up a case against heist, if I knew I needed his vote to live? I just hope you guys can stop tunnelling and see the light. | ||
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On October 05 2011 23:15 chaoser wrote: So you retract your "he was just the first mafia to claim it and he's actually the roleblocker" logic and changed it into "He is a confirmed medic but he's actually a mafia medic". Cause clearly that makes sense. And clearly: 1) Mafia would have TWO medics 2) Cyber_cheese, the ACTUAL mafia medic and the ACTUAL one getting lynched yesterday wouldn't claim it, instead letting heist claim it when day wasn't even CLOSE to ending and he barely had any votes/pressure on him at the time. (Two votes on him at the time, one was cyber_cheese, one was me. So one mafia (not real pressure) and one from me) huh? no, I'm saying he was claiming cheese's medic protection and using it as his own. Is 1kp really a big price to pay to confirm yourself for the rest of the game? | ||
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On October 05 2011 22:40 chaoser wrote: I know your lesson learned in XXXIX was "Never Give Up, Never Surrender" but this is just getting ridiculous. I'll be repaying my debts for XXXIX here. The Drowned Gods say what is dead can never die, but rises again, harder and stronger. I have "died" many times already and now, it is time to take your life from you. We do not sow. I like how you're trying to use a previous game where I was scum and compare it to this one. | ||
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Anything to say for yourself heist? | ||
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Also, how do you pronounce your name chaoser? | ||
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On October 07 2011 06:59 chaoser wrote: chow-ser. Like Bowser but with Chao. Cause there's a Gandalf the White in the game already? Why is your name kitaman? Is it chow-ser or chowser? | ||
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On October 07 2011 07:03 chaoser wrote: It's pronounced chowser like bowser. You didn't answer my question about your name. Hahahahahahahahaha bomb triggered. | ||
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On October 07 2011 06:59 chaoser wrote: chow-ser. Like Bowser but with Chao. Cause there's a Gandalf the White in the game already? Why is your name kitaman? Last name. (rhymes with cheetah) | ||
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On October 07 2011 07:34 chaoser wrote: BTW, if I do die. I just want to say first of all. Good Game. Second of all, the mafia team was so stacked. Radfield, DrH, kita, iGrok? All with powers? Sigh... Heh I was just trolling you. That's what you get for gloating earlier! | ||
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On October 07 2011 07:43 GMarshal wrote: That's my signature smiley, damnit ^_^ :-P The person who is in the chat logs with Radfield clearly uses it. Thus, that person must be me! | ||
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wherebugsgo was killed off because he was giving DrH a hard time and I think our third hit overlapped with the two serial killers on prp/Ciryandor. The DrH modkill was pretty disappointing. Essentially it was equivalent to a day two bus and a round of night kills, except none of us had the opportunity to get any town cred off it (not that I disagree with the way the mods handled it). I had planned to tunnel chaos for a couple days, which left me in an akward spot to vote for jackal over igrok. igrok had actually planned the random third party claim since the beginning. We really thought draz might be a traitor after claiming to have protected igrok, since we already had a protection of our own on him. Radfield getting shot night two was pretty annoying. We had lost a kp without a scum getting lynched. I'm still not sure why chaoser or Palmar didn't decide to hit prp. I think if they did, it might have actually gave the ring to the scum team, since the third party shot would have been blocked since it resolved before ours. Knowing that we were about to lose a third scum in three days, we gambled with the fake tracker claim to try to get chaoser lynched. We actually knew sandroba was double stacked, so ideally we were hoping that chaoser might have killed him, rather than Radfield. There really wasn't too much risk to the claim, considering if chaoser actually was a vet, rather than SK, I could have just said that I was baiting him with a fake claim. At worst, we figured that the town would be willing to kill him off day 4. Looking back, I really should have held off on the claim until the next day. I was medic protected, so chaoser was supposed to shoot me, but there was a mix up and he got roleblocked instead, leaving me mysteriously open for a night three track -_- I really had no intentions of saving iGrok, but on day 2, the vote was close enough that I wasn't willing to risk not voting jackal. This kinda put me in a bad spot on day four, but I was hoping enough people would believe the tracker claim to be able to shift the lynch elsewhere. It was pretty funny trying to argue that I was a tracker, when chaoser was going around convincing people he was a bulletproof compulsive vigilante. Once it became apparant that I didn't have the votes to hang on, I came up with those pm logs with Radfield (which took forever to make, I might add). There were bound to be mistakes with them (which nobody picked up on), so that's one of the reasons I waited until about 40 minutes remaining in the day to reveal them. I was hoping the chaos would result in a last minute switch before anybody took a good look at them. I had the fake timestamps prepared ahead of time, hoping somebody would ask, which chaoser conveiently asked for. chaoser was supposed to be the last minute swap, but there just weren't enough people around and we settled for a scum/third party lynch of ON. By night four, we kinda knew there was a second medic since draz survived a earlier hit, so we went after GreyMisT and chaoser, thinking it was pretty unlikely he was bulletproof after his full third party claim and we might be able to obtain the ring (which turned out to be pretty weak in scum hands). We didn't expect draz would protect a third party over the "confirmed tracker", but he came away with the clutch save. Even if chaoser did survive, we were banking on him either getting lynched or removed from the game. It was a pretty big headache learning he was converted to town. Day five we really needed to hold on to our double kp so we sucessfully managed to save cheese by lynching pyo. At night, we really had to medic snipe. With draz the confirmed medic, chaoser the third party turned town, and heist the confrimed medic, we really put ourselves in a bad spot missing heist. We were still in a 4v3 situation, so we only needed a single bomb to go off. Unfortunately, rayn kinda spilled the beans, but I'd imagine a couple people had already figured it out. After unsucessfully baiting draz with the popcorn, we threw the bomb on me, figuring we could win the game if I got lynched, forcing a last minute detonation and vote swap. We probably should have just had GGQ vote heist early in the day, rather than wait until the last minute. Heist had the nice save on trance at endgame. Overall, losing 3 scum in the first three days, and missing our hits on syllo, draz, trance, chaoser, and double stacking with sandroba and prp, caused us to come up short. | ||
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