Lord of the Rings Mafia

On September 17 2011 09:29 heist wrote:


No. No. Do not claim if you have the ring unless you want to die.

On September 17 2011 11:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:


Would you provide some info why would you like to heve me lynched? And why would you ever want to claim you have/had The Ring (at least at this stage of a game - or with this stage of info). Do you really think it's wise?

On September 18 2011 02:11 Navillus wrote:


6th game != learned anything in 1-5, esp. cause I died really quickly in some and wasn't paying that much attention to most of them so I couldn't really learn. Also you're either lying about looking through my games, or just didn't really try, cause last game I played I opened with basically the same line, a complaint about getting VT yet again (I think it was cosmic horror, if not it was 2 games ago in werewolves but I'm pretty sure it was cosmic horror.).

On September 18 2011 17:37 syllogism wrote:
Unfortunately a bunch of veterans are getting away with posting nothing at all (Jeejee/Sandroba/Palmar), but at least the latter two have an excuse due to not being around and I'm willing to ignore jeejee on day 1 due to his recent game history.

On September 19 2011 00:50 chaoser wrote:
Kira an, what do you think about navillus and prphlz?

On September 19 2011 01:02 Navillus wrote:
Oh my wow... Please filter Ciryandor's posts, it's a big collection of "well I think X but maybe not X and Y is also possible but maybe we shouldn't because bad stuff could happen" He's super indecisive about his thoughts, then instead of giving a real opinion he decides to vote for inactives over any of the people who actually have cases made against them, this is very scummy this late because he's voting for someone with almost no chance of getting lynched AND with very little reasoning to back it up because he's inactive, this allows scum to get away with meaningless votes that don't tell us anything about them, or if we do manage to lynch an inactive it won't be a scum one because they'll shift the vote to a town inactive since, you know, we can't tell the difference. They're inactives. Now as I mentioned, it's late in the day so I don't think I can get him lynched so I'll leave it at FOS Ciryandor but on a very related note
##Vote pphlz
Ciryandor has done nice little soft defends of him at least twice now, the first time saying that pphlz is a "good guy" the second he tries to use his inactive lynch idea to divert attention specifically from pphlz, so I say we lynch pphlz, then if he flips red we've got another definite red in Ciryandor.

On September 19 2011 06:31 Erandorr wrote:


I thought this was in the voting thread cause of migs post there. And my defence is there. (just kill me now this really isnt my week -.- )

On September 19 2011 07:18 supersoft wrote:
sorry guys, i was on the road the whole day and only have my telephone to post today.
i vote iGrok because of the reasons i gave in my last post.

On September 19 2011 08:10 jcarlsoniv wrote:


I believe he gave you a pass for the vote, but you will still need to make your 5 post quota...I think?

On September 19 2011 08:45 iGrok wrote:
Erandorr - somehow appeared on his own vote list?

On September 19 2011 13:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
antagonistic/rude trying to get under peoples skin
almost purely defensive play focusing only on people who criticized or voted for you
everyone discounting the possibility you're scum
begging for ring day 1 and spamming
spam


im done go read my posts ive said enough about you im not gonna keep repeating myself

On September 19 2011 18:32 Jackal58 wrote:
Alright, it's night time now. Give Bugs the ring and get him out of here.

On September 19 2011 21:37 chaos13 wrote:
I haven't had a chance to read the case(s) on Erandorr in much depth but whenever town flips as a lynch D1 there will be at least one scum on their wagon. Granted, this time around he was lynched with a very small percentage of votes so it's possible that they stayed away from it. Either way look at the vote lists of people who didn't get lynched and you'll find scum. Especially on WBG (assuming he is town or third party and not mafia himself) because that is an easy justification for mafia vote D1. He was being pretty much useless and this gives them a great excuse to vote for someone. Check out Dr.H, iGrok, and Jackal on that list. All three players should know better.
Sorry I couldn't be around to do more than vote and leave again yesterday. I'll do my best to be more present in the future.

On September 20 2011 10:14 chaoser wrote:
Also want to say a my bad to prplhz.

On September 20 2011 10:48 chaoser wrote:
Will you be posting your thoughts kitaman27?

On September 20 2011 11:11 chaos13 wrote:


Hey hey, as I was reading through the thread I noticed something strange. I saw this and thought "Where did Sandroba say he would be gone...?"

Turns out he didn't. Neither did anyone else. At least, not in the thread. Where did this information come from then? From the mafia QT. When a player has extra information that they shouldn't have...

##Vote kitaman27

So when one of kita or sandroba flips scum, we've got another confirmed red to go after.

On September 20 2011 11:14 chaos13 wrote:


Yeah of course, you mention my name and I piss myself in terror.

I suppose I should give you a chance to explain yourself though.

On September 17 2011 03:01 sandroba wrote:
Hey I'll be with no internet access until sunday afternoon, will that be ok?

On September 20 2011 11:20 chaos13 wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699&user=21688

Sandroba's filter. I don't see that post there, I don't see any edited posts, and the word "sunday" does not come up when I ctrl+f. I are confused.

wherebugsgo-6
DoctorHelvetica
Drazerk
iGrok
Pyo
Jackal58
Erandorr

prplhz-9
chaoser
Greymist
raynpelikoneet
jcarlsoniv
navillus
heist
TranceStorm
Mr. Wiggles
OriginalName

supersoft-1
chaos13

On September 19 2011 21:37 chaos13 wrote:
Hey guys, sorry my activity level has been down, I've been pretty busy. Hopefully I'll be able to contribute more this week. I haven't had a chance to read the case(s) on Erandorr in much depth but whenever town flips as a lynch D1 there will be at least one scum on their wagon. Granted, this time around he was lynched with a very small percentage of votes so it's possible that they stayed away from it. Either way look at the vote lists of people who didn't get lynched and you'll find scum. Especially on WBG (assuming he is town or third party and not mafia himself) because that is an easy justification for mafia vote D1. He was being pretty much useless and this gives them a great excuse to vote for someone. Check out Dr.H, iGrok, and Jackal on that list. All three players should know better.
Sorry I couldn't be around to do more than vote and leave again yesterday. I'll do my best to be more present in the future.

On September 19 2011 05:08 chaos13 wrote:
.In fact, supersoft doesn't commit to any particular stance here. After feeling WBG was artificial, he could now be absolutely anything. This encompasses two different mafia characteristics in one:
1. Contradiction of opinion without new evidence
2. Non-committal wishy-washy stance

These are the only posts with notable content from supersoft. He's scum.

##Vote supersoft

On September 20 2011 12:05 sandroba wrote:
Formating fail:


Rofl kita, do you always play like this? You know for a fact I wasn't here day1 and that I couldn't do shit about who got lynched. Every wagon fliped town thus all candidates were wrong no? I'm voting palmar until HE gives me a good case that I can buy, because right now I don't have a clue about his alignment, but I know for a fact that he is more lurky as scum. You completely distorted my posts, but I've seen you do that as town aswell in ptp2. What's up with that?

On September 20 2011 12:13 chaos13 wrote:
Hey guys. While attempting to read through the thread again to actually become a proper part of the game, after the fifth time my efforts petered off I realized that I just don't have the motivation to play a proper town game these days. Seeing as this is the third game I've replaced myself in recently, I'm gonna stop joining games until I sort myself out. I have no idea how long I'll be gone, but I promise that when I have the time and the inclination I'll be back here to play. Thank you guys so much for being here and making this a fun experience for me. Happy scumhunting in my absence.

On September 20 2011 22:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Kitaman, what do you think of my earlier post (about sandroba)?

On September 20 2011 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I meant to say chaoser posted his "thoughts" about DrH 30min AFTER he died.

On September 20 2011 23:24 syllogism wrote:
The issue with chaoser being scum is that it's very unlikely that WBG was a mafia hit, so if they have the standard 3 kp, there is one KP missing and no one else has claimed a hit. I suppose it's possible mafia hit SK (the real gollum? would make sense for him to kill wbg I suppose and the flavor would fit) and thus he was free to claim the hit, but it's more likely that he really was hit. No way they double stacked prplhz or wiggles.

On September 20 2011 23:24 syllogism wrote:

Yes, but that was a no flip game so I was hoping something more standard

On September 20 2011 23:24 syllogism wrote:
The issue with chaoser being scum is that it's very unlikely that WBG was a mafia hit, so if they have the standard 3 kp, there is one KP missing and no one else has claimed a hit. I suppose it's possible mafia hit SK (the real gollum? would make sense for him to kill wbg I suppose and the flavor would fit) and thus he was free to claim the hit, but it's more likely that he really was hit. No way they double stacked prplhz or wiggles.

On September 21 2011 05:11 heist wrote:
First chance I got to be active since the night phase. I'll be reading through and posting my thoughts. But looking at the last comment, claiming is not going to do anything. Mafia all have safe claims.

On September 20 2011 12:18 chaos13 wrote:
Although before I leave..
People you should trust:
- Dr. H
- TranceStorm
- prplhz
- Navillus (be skeptical, but I highly doubt he's scum)

Watch out for Radfield

On September 21 2011 06:53 kitaman27 wrote:
Something I'm 100% shocked that nobody has brought up is the fact that chaos flipped Jack of all Trades. This means that he almost certainly had a day one check, watch, track, or gun check on someone. How could nobody mention this, considering he left us with the following list of players:




If I had to guess, which one was his night one result, I would say he got a false godfather check on DrH. During the night, he brings up how the wbg bandwagon was an easy scum vote and suggests we take a look at DrH. The next day, he suddenly trusts DrH without providing any additional reasoning. If not him, then Radfield is probably the next most likely check, whom he never comments about until now.

On September 21 2011 10:35 iGrok wrote:

Why are you never around when other people are! >: O

On September 21 2011 11:51 iGrok wrote:

No.
If a good enough case is made by someone I believe to be town, I'll use it then. But only a PM DT can make me use it no matter what.

I'm not passing it off to popular vote because that's too easy to manipulate.

On September 22 2011 03:13 chaoser wrote:
iGrok's claim makes no sense as a mafia, it makes more sense as a third party trying to fulfill their wincon early. I'm ok with a jackal lynch. He's posting a lot in the pony thread, not a lot here. Everything else radfield has said. If wherebugsgo is a mafia hit then it makes sense for jackal to push for the ring to be given to wherebugsgo. WBG gets ring, dies to mafia.

##vote: Jackal58

On September 22 2011 03:25 Drazerk wrote:
Right lets kill two birds with one stone shall we?

I am a medic

I protected iGrok and that's how he survived Syllo's cleave.

I got a notification about iGrok getting hit so we can confirm Syllo is a day vigi with some extra powers on top.

Now can we vote for someone more productive?

On September 22 2011 03:32 Drazerk wrote:


Because it was obvious to me I would not survive another cycle anyway so I may as well stop two easy lynches.

On September 22 2011 11:58 sandroba wrote:
Okay got info from the host himself. Town win con is to eliminte all evil and that includes ALL third party. iGrok's claim is impossible.

On September 23 2011 00:20 Radfield wrote:


Major fuck up by me

Sorry Sandro, I didn't get what you were saying until I got back. Why did no one listen to this:

+ Show Spoiler +

Or ask if an unblockable kill could be roleblocked....



Obviously we're not picking a specific target, which means that we either give iGrok a range of several targets, or have him not shoot at all. At this point it makes far more sense to have him not shoot at all. If he is mafia, a range of targets is exactly what he wants, as he just picks the townie out of the mix. If he is mafia and told not to shoot, then we at least have some tools available if there are too many night kills. Also, if he is told not to shoot and still shoots, he runs the risk being tracked to a target. Thoughts?

On September 23 2011 02:08 Drazerk wrote:
Also as for the posting restriction... lets just say I had one and now I don't.

On September 23 2011 02:45 syllogism wrote:
Which is also then when his PR ended

On August 23 2011 19:40 Curu wrote:
Thanks for hosting.

I am never playing in a game with post restrictions again though. I realize most weren't half as bad as people were conveying, but seriously. Kurumi mucked up the entirety of day 1 when he was not obliged to, LSB never explained the kitaman thing leading everyone to ignore him as a troll, etc.

In the end I think it was the post restrictions that really raped Town. Mafia could act however they wanted and no one could be sure because Town was overplaying their own restrictions. That and the fact that the only active veteran players got sniped night 1 and Town was left with only a few people that even gave a shit about the game.

I apologize to anyone I flamed or called bad during the game. This was the most frustrated I've ever been playing a Mafia game because of my very much unmet expectations for the playerlist and the general nobody-cares-but-me feeling the entire Town was giving.

On September 23 2011 06:00 prplhz wrote:
so there are hobbits in this game?! interesting

On September 23 2011 08:01 kitaman27 wrote:
Also, chaoser for SK. lolz

On September 23 2011 08:38 GreYMisT wrote:



I'm hoping its the 3rd one, sadly its probally the second.

Chaoser and Kitman, Do you agree with my plan to have whoever Radfield was talking to the previous day come forward?

On September 23 2011 10:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Or it could be a town power that mishit first night and hit second night.

On September 23 2011 22:38 Palmar wrote:
what exactly are you claiming?

not that it matters chaoser is scummery scummery scum.

On September 23 2011 23:01 chaoser wrote:


What a creepy slime. Like a kraken...

My sword of steel and iron tasted the salty blood of Radfield last night. No hostages were taken. Anyone can counter claim if they want but they're not going to get very far.

Radfield as Wormtongue, the Deceiver, Mafia Messenger was put to the sword!

Ciryandor as Samwise Gamgee, Town Mason Bodyguard was put to the sword night 1!

On September 20 2011 12:39 chaoser wrote:
Add sandroba to that list of likely to be townie. He was the only person to point out and call me out on the prphlz/ciryandor connection that I missed.

On September 23 2011 23:18 Cyber_Cheese wrote:


Don't forget that on night 1 we still thought prplhz was worth a lynch. The only reason we think he's town now is because he was attacked and ciryandor's death confirmed him.

On September 23 2011 23:22 Cyber_Cheese wrote:


Unless someone counter claims him, he could be a vig. Ciryandor and prplhz can't just 100% confirm each other. What would a sk gain from attacking a top suspect on the votes?

On September 23 2011 23:26 chaoser wrote:


Exactly, and in the post I responded back I said that they could very well be mafia backing each other up. It was only after ciyrandor flipped green that I realized they were together as bodyguard/protectee. I shot radfield, unless someone can counter claim that I have the best claim to it. I've been bread crumbing all game. Go read my day 2 post where I say I was shot. My steel and iron doesn't forget.

On September 23 2011 23:38 chaoser wrote:


What would you like me to give? Like I said, unless someone claims they killed Radfield with a better claim than mine I'd rather not say too much. You saw all the awesome roles that died last night. I'd rather not go the same way as them. Let's just say I can make kills if certain requirements are met.

On September 23 2011 23:54 chaoser wrote:
I am Boromir, Lord of Gondor, Son of Man.

On September 23 2011 23:54 chaoser wrote:
I win together with town

On September 23 2011 23:54 chaoser wrote:
I can kill people if certain requirements, that I will not say, are fulfilled.

I am also bulletproof

On September 24 2011 00:29 chaoser wrote:


I shot Radfield. He flipped mafia. I hope you realize this. Unless I'm a mafia that selfshot my own teammate, I'm not mafia.

On September 24 2011 00:35 GGQ wrote:


If chaoser died of spontaneous combustion, who would you vote for?

On September 24 2011 00:37 chaoser wrote:


=[ I hope I don't, I wouldn't want to lose some fingers and toes.

On September 24 2011 00:48 chaoser wrote:


BTW, I find it odd that you posted this claim hours after the day post. Why not immediately after, when both you and I were active in the thread?

On September 24 2011 00:54 supersoft wrote:
we can lynch both after all evil was killed.

On September 24 2011 01:35 Palmar wrote:


DIE SCUM DIE

On September 24 2011 01:56 Palmar wrote:
Sometimes it's just so hard to convince people to do the right thing, because for some reason no one ever realizes what the right action is. Given the situation we're in where we allowed scum to wiggle out of a lynch on day 2 because despite the win condition we all have clearly saying we need to clear all evil out of midgard, yet we let a balrog live when the lore clearly states he's pretty damn evil. I can't believe it's even up for discussion going after a vigilante/SK that decided to kill mafia last night without anyone counterclaiming him. There is just no chance in a game with fake-claims that Boromir the SK is more evil than Balrog the neutral peace-loving fire demon guy. But Kita in his almighty knowledge decided that chaoser must be eliminated immediately yet it's fine to allow iGrok to shuffle by another day. I want to remind you that iGrok was supposed by Kita's own terms to actively scumhunt and not just back away from the game, and yet he's done exactly that. Kita doesn't actually give a shit for obvious reasons. Once again I beg you to go back and read everything posted by both Syllogism and Sandroba because they are the best players that are dead in this game. But hey, why should you listen to me, I'm sometimes a dick! Syllogism pointed out how stupidly heist believes claims randomly (lol, pacific ocean), and jcarl doesn't want to trust me because he's way too busy being thick. Cheesekid is scum though, not even him can be this dumb. It's ok though we just need to lynch iGrok and everything suddenly becomes alright again. Note how fast Kita claimed chaoser was an SK, he knows he's not scum etc. Also he earlier in the game said "Chaoser for SK" because he knows mafia hit chaoser, then corrects himself and says that maybe he could be scum. Kita is just crazy scummy right now. But apparently me changing my mind is more scummy, because you know... it's not cool giving things second thoughts, we should always just go with whatever we first think of right? I'm actually just going to leave the thread for a while, maybe town will not suck so hard when I'm back in some hours.

On September 24 2011 02:26 Drazerk wrote:


Jack of all trades role.

Calling it now.

On September 24 2011 02:29 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Here's a thought: suppose chaoser's claim is true. Let's say he's Boromir who has a kill condition. What if his kill condition is that he can kill any time the Ring moves. This makes sense because Boromir wants the Ring in his lore. It's speculation, so take it with a handful of salt, but it somewhat fits.

And didn't he claim as 3rd party? Why do you keep saying people believe he is town aligned?

On September 24 2011 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:


We already made a very stupid choise yesterday. Now just hang iGrok.
-Pros over chaoser;
1) chaoser could very well shoot another scum in the face. iGrok failed in it last night.
2) We basically confirm Drazerk when iGrok flips.

Ppl really should do what Palmar says and check syllo&sandroba posts.

##Vote iGrok

On September 24 2011 22:35 Archon_Toilet wrote:
I HATE YOU KITAMAN

On September 24 2011 22:55 Archon_Toilet wrote:
Ye s kitaman, you will die. I will ride my horsie and kill you hahahahahahaha

On September 24 2011 22:49 chaoser wrote:


What's your take on ON?

On September 25 2011 07:02 prplhz wrote:
well i could add that i very much doubt that chaoser is scum even though he tried to hit me day1 but maybe it's not a good idea to give the ring to boromir .. but this last thing is purely speculation based on how boromir reacted to the ring (and frodo) in lotr

On September 25 2011 07:43 chaoser wrote:


lolol ok kitascum. Either way the ring should be kept safe and not given away so whomever has it, just keep it safe.

On September 26 2011 08:26 Palmar wrote:
I need to re-read them all again to decide that.

Initially I think Kita is the safest lynch. His ability is very... weird, it's a version of tracker that's very seldom in play, and generally the blue roles have been much more notable characters than that elf he claimed.

On September 26 2011 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:


Now, what do we know about chaoser? He claimed Boromir. He shot mafia. He was RB last night (or lying). That makes his certainly not mafia right?

Then Palmar claimed Faramir. So here are following scenarios:
chaoser SK / Palmar town given the claims they made i don't think this would be possible
chaoser SK / Palmar mafia why would mafia protect SK?
chaoser SK / Palmar SK (working together) could be, altough i still believe boromir&faramir are both in the game, and not as safeclaims
chaoser town / Palmar mafia no need to Palmar fakeclaim and defend chaoser
chaoser town / Palmar town most likely answer
chaoser town / Palmar SK could be, altough i don't see a reason for Palmar to fakeclaim, again

If chaoser was in fact mafia, they would need to have an extremely brave strategy in bussing/killing nearly all their teammates, and it would all fall apart just if ppl didn't believe chaoser in a first place.

Also, kitaman you could be some kinda mafia stalker role.

Also, i think you are wise enough to figure out chaosers requirements for killing. If I'm right about it, it fits into his claim fairly well.

BTW. Who did you check last night and what's the result?

On September 26 2011 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'd vote GGQ for gollum, just becouse of his "i'm not saying anything useful this game besides i want to lynch iGrok".

On September 26 2011 23:53 Palmar wrote:
Actually fuck it

Kita needs to claim all his tracking targets and what actions they performed.

##Vote Kitaman27

On September 27 2011 00:15 Palmar wrote:
Well here is a thing.

If it was day 2, and you actually looked like a townie, I would never ask you. But it's day 4, you put in some ridiculous restrictions on iGrok instead of just wanting to lynch him on day 2.

On September 27 2011 00:15 Palmar wrote:
And excuse me, but you're a veteran, and I can't believe you'd be so incredibly dumb as to let him live on day 2, and then try it AGAIN on day 3 without being scum. I just think you're smarter than that. Newbies are excused because they don't realize how ridiculous the claim is, and they don't know me/syllo/sandroba well enough to just assume that when we all agree that we're right.

Greymist - newbie
chaoser - SK (he's not this stupid as town, and his claim makes no sense)
Radfield - Scum
Drazerk - newbie
raynpelikoneet - newbie
jcarlsoniv - ???? (but to be fair he thought I was scum because I trolled him)
TranceStorm - newbie
OriginalName - ????
kitaman - ????

You see. there are two names on this list of people who should really not have fallen for this bullshit, it's you and ON.

On September 27 2011 00:15 Palmar wrote:
List all the players you have tracked so far in the game. Don't tell us if they had a night action or not, just list them.

On September 27 2011 00:59 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Right now, you're intentionally holding information from town. Town is not in a very good position right now. Not terrible, but not great. We got screwed over first two days by radfield on last minute lynches that shouldn't have happened (hindsight 20/20 and all that).

We need information. Who did you track night 1?

I also want to know more about chaoser's target last night. But I can somewhat understand why he wouldn't reveal that. If you are town, you need to help town, Kita.

On September 27 2011 00:30 GreYMisT wrote:
Is palmar actually claiming golum? I know to a sane person that doesn't make any sense but I read WaW2 and he also claimed conspirator right off the bat in that as well.

On September 27 2011 10:47 chaoser wrote:


Yeah, just got back from work and I was thinking that.

##vote kitaman

confirmed medic I guess

On September 27 2011 10:55 OriginalName wrote:
I literally just had one of the worst mondays of my life. Ive read up.

On September 27 2011 13:53 chaoser wrote:
kitaman on iGrok: iGrok claims third party. Kitaman says "Don't kill him, give him strict instructions and if he doesn't follow them, lynch him." iGrok proceeds to not follow said instructions. kitaman never gets on his case and votes for me first and only changes later to iGrok.

On September 27 2011 13:53 chaoser wrote:
kitaman on chaoser: I claim I killed a mafia and have not only the breadcrumbs to back it up but also no one counterclaims. I never claim third party. "His powers don't make sense as a townie, he's third party, lynch him!"

On September 27 2011 13:53 chaoser wrote:
Firstly, my KP has already been removed from the game; as long as mafia has roleblock, they can use it on me. If I really was third party, which apparently only kitaman and not the mafia team can see (Radfield already said to town he thought I was 3rd party btw), you'd think mafia team would LOVE for me to use my KP to weed out town since at this point mafia are on the backfoot (3 dead mafia in 4 days) and I would obviously shoot townies.

On September 27 2011 13:53 chaoser wrote:
Secondly, no one (aside from me) knows whether I HAVE KP or not. I never said I was a compulsive vigi and it can be seen in supersoft's flip that roles with restrictive KPs exist.

So kitaman's argument about "extending the game" falls flat on its face.

On September 27 2011 13:53 chaoser wrote:
If I actually was a serial killer, why would I want to keep another SK alive? We obviously can't win together since SKs need to be the lat man standing to win (This is generally how it's always worked on TL Mafia.) Unless we were a team, which we aren't since iGrok flipped mafia, SK would never push for a "keep SKs alive!" platform for OTHER SKs.

On September 27 2011 13:53 chaoser wrote:

Faulty logic will serve as your downfall kitaman. I should have gotten you lynched or shot in XXXIX. I'll be sure to do it this game. I repay all my debts.

On September 27 2011 14:22 chaoser wrote:
Here's what I think happened.
1) Obviously the mafia team thinks I'm third party as per Radfield's quotes
2) The mafia team saw that a kill had happened that wasn't their own (Radfield is dead) and Kitaman goes out on a limb and asked me if I had killed that night since they think I'm SK and obviously an SK would want to kill every night.
3) He claims he tracked me but doesn't say to who.

On September 27 2011 14:27 chaoser wrote:
Kitaman has yet to name his role like he asked me to. Would giving the name of your character really be that advantageous to mafia? Also, I find it interesting that kitaman basically claimed a blue role on Day 3 and yet mafia didn't kill him, instead going for a kill on supersoft, someone that they didn't know was blue or not. Why let a tracker, even a gimped tracker survive, especially someone like kitaman who is a decent vet town player survive? One track on a mafia pulling off a kill would immediately fuck them over.

On September 27 2011 18:04 Pyo wrote:


If kita is scum, then so is chaoser – only way I can rationalize both claims.

On September 27 2011 13:25 GreYMisT wrote:
What is your opinon on Heist Kitaman?

On September 27 2011 21:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Kita - how bout this. If we don't find any scum before the end of the day, we can look at chaoser. You have wasted a lot of time pushing hard for someone who is pretty convincingly 3rd party, but would t you rather lynch scum if we can?

On September 27 2011 23:33 chaoser wrote:
You say nothing about tracking me till 6 hours later, that's 7 hours since the flip:



I later question you as to why you posted that so late and you respond with:



And yet between the flip and you saying you tracked me 6 hours later, not once did you ask me what my opinions are of people, what I thought of the situation of town, or who I thought were mafia. If you really "wanted to see my agenda" you would have done as such instead of waiting around posting nothing at me, instead of asking questions to greymist and ciryandor.

On September 27 2011 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:


I'm heavily leaning towards scum on kita too, so i don't really care which one is on the line today. Let's see what they have to say about these accusations.

On September 28 2011 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And don't worry, i won't let anyone lead me to think who should or shouldn't be lynched. I've learned my lesson in day 2 already.

On September 28 2011 01:30 Palmar wrote:
List of people you're allowed to lynch:

Kitaman (Mafia)
Chaoser (SK)

obviously we should just kill kitaman, as chaoser can be lynched as soon as he has a bad shot.

On September 28 2011 01:46 Palmar wrote:
or chaoser, I actually don't mind killing sks

On September 28 2011 02:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Kita, who did you track night 1

On September 28 2011 02:07 GreYMisT wrote:
One interesting thing I have found is that, during the iGrok lynch Kitaman came out and said he saw chaoser kill someone, and clearly indicated that he did not believe his claim. However, he supported the iGrok lynch over chaoser that day. With that kind of information and belief, you would think that you would have pushed for chaoser to die a little more. If it is true that iGrok was planned by scum to die, this line of actions would make sense for kitaman.

On September 24 2011 02:19 kitaman27 wrote:
Look, we both agree iGrok can't be allowed to live to engame. If he gets lynched today, then that's fine by me. If there is a chance he is scum, not survivor, it might even be a better choice to kill him first. However, there is no doubt in my mind that chaoser is not town.

On September 28 2011 02:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:


Why did you track him, he was 90% sure to die night 1?

On September 28 2011 02:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Kitaman, who do you think is mafia? You think chaoser is SK, this is for sure, but who is mafia?

On September 28 2011 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:


You are yourself in danger to get lynched. Why won't you push anyone?

On September 28 2011 02:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:


So you think, let's say me over you as townie lynched is "no point of changing"? You don't think you could do more as a town than me? I highly doubt.

On September 28 2011 02:45 Palmar wrote:
btw

@rayn, because it pains me to see you fail so hard after having some decent posts:

Drazerk is basically modconfirmed medic.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11544417 <-- read this post and the next 5 after it.

Now stop it, let's kill kita.

On September 28 2011 02:49 chaoser wrote:


Basically Curu confirmed that
1) the medic protected two people
2) the medic was informed later that one of the people he protected was hit.

So unless some other double protecting medic wants to come out, Drazerk is the medic and since he protected someone I assume his claim is true (that he didn't know who he protected at first and then he did later)

You can't fake claim that shit unless it was real lol

On September 28 2011 02:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:


Sorry, i misread the other mod post. Yeah, i'm up for lynching kita.

##Unvote

##Vote Kitaman27

On September 28 2011 06:01 GreYMisT wrote:
After thinking it over I am inclined to believe that Chaoser is telling the truth.

1) the past 2 times he has killed, he has expressed suspicion of that person in the thread, and has attacked from a town agenda (pushed for prp's lynch day1 and a lot of us were suspicious of radfield)

2) His play does not say SK to me at all. Rather than attacking threats to himself, he is activly hunting scum

3) I dont think he is scum (because of the radfield kill)

With that said, I think Kitaman is our best canidate atm, As Chaoser pointed out there are some very odd things about the way his role claim happened. His day1 play seemed slightly off to me as well. Only did one pressure vote, didnt any real opinions, just defending/clarifying points, then jumped on the errandor wagon when it appeared. the rest has already been mentioned many times.

##Vote Kitaman

On September 28 2011 06:15 TranceStorm wrote:

Yeah but waiting for 7 hours doesn't change the fact that there is still only a 3/20 chance of being correct. And if he were mafia, it would be even lower because he would have had to identify the vig/3rd party. Regardless of his suspicious actions, the fact that he made that correct call is so unlikely if he were mafia.

On September 28 2011 06:27 chaoser wrote:
You claimed gimped tracker...there has NEVER been such a role in TL mafia. Not in themed games, not in PYP games, not in anything. So yeah...

On September 28 2011 06:27 Palmar wrote:


No one actually cares that he's an SK.

We're lynching scum, you are a subset of scum.

Are you the roleblocker?

On September 28 2011 06:29 GreYMisT wrote:
As far as I understand his claim, He is not compulsive, he can just shoot if certain criteria are met. I think it is possible he is SK, its just other than his role, nothing he has done has seemed SKish.

On September 28 2011 06:34 Palmar wrote:


mafia can share information, alternatively you guys shot chaoser and gambled him being SK.

I'm fine with lynching the SK, but that's not an option now, 1h30 minutes until the lynch and he has what... 1 vote?

On September 28 2011 06:29 chaoser wrote:


Quote the game and post please

On September 28 2011 07:21 OriginalName wrote:
Ok I personally think Kita is the scummiest person out of the viable lynch targets.

Moreover he still refuses to reveal who he tracked other than Chaoser, and while for all we know its just a gambit to buy Town-cred. Sorry I havent been all that active today yesterday was a clusterfuck and by the time I get back from classes and stuff Its around this time.

##Vote Kitaman

On September 28 2011 07:23 OriginalName wrote:


Its not like I do it on purpose ._.

On September 28 2011 07:27 Drazerk wrote:


Im arwen?

On September 28 2011 07:27 OriginalName wrote:


Then why not disclose at least 1-2 results then if your going to claim tracker than and then survive then following night something is up, for all I know both of you could be fakeclaiming and gambitting at this point its not a half bad guess.

On September 28 2011 07:28 kitaman27 wrote:


I already did. Did you not read the entire thread yet? I claimed to track WBG on day one.

On September 28 2011 07:29 OriginalName wrote:


Who managed to die, its easy to claim to check that (while it Is WIFOM).

On September 28 2011 07:30 OriginalName wrote:


Uggh why do you guys make my life miserable like this, all right but then I ask, Who should we lynch, Another last minute wagon on somebody is going to end up like the last 2 times. Im sorta against lynching Palmar dispite his trollishness purely because he has had some good posts lately.

Sauron

You're not JeeJee are you? Don't get modkilled on me -_-

[b]Kurumi

OK that's fine. I won't be back until the day post. Nice chatting with you

Anything else to add?

[b]Sauron

lol, cya.

Maybe you'll get unlucky and get stuck with me again for another cycle ^_^

On September 28 2011 07:38 chaoser wrote:
Calling bullshit on it

On September 28 2011 07:40 OriginalName wrote:


The only thing it has going for it in my books is that it seems like too much effort to fake, but that in and of itself is kind of a null tell. Kitaman has had to have all the info dragged out at the last minute like he wanted to stifle dissucussion and create a last minute lynch as late as possible.

Im not moving an inch.

On September 28 2011 07:42 GreYMisT wrote:
I don't see the trap, what point are you trying to make?

Kurumi
09-19-2011
07:25 PM ET (US)

Hey there, what are your thoughts on the game so far?

Sauron
09-19-2011
09:32 PM ET (US)

lol hai, who is this?

Kurumi
09-19-2011
09:32 PM ET (US)

I think its best if we remained anonymous for now.

Sauron
09-19-2011
09:41 PM ET (US)

Err, but you just targetted me as a mason didn't you? So don't you know who I am?

Kurumi
09-19-2011
09:43 PM ET (US)

No, my role is different from the one Wiggles flipped as having. My targets are chosen at random.
I think its best if our identites remain hidden. I don't know if I can trust you yet.

Sauron
09-19-2011
09:43 PM ET (US)

Heh ok, I'll play along, yet the only person I can imagine would ever mason me is jcarl <3

So are masoned for the rest of the game or do you pick a new target each cycle?

Kurumi
09-19-2011
09:45 PM ET (US)

Only for today. What do you think about last night's hits?

Sauron
09-19-2011
09:47 PM ET (US)

Wait, so you can pick a target each cycle?

Kurumi
09-19-2011
09:48 PM ET (US)

No, like I said, it is randomly chosen for me.

Sauron
09-19-2011
09:56 PM ET (US)

Well there seems to be 4kp, which seems like a lot for mafia to have in a 3 player game. There might be a vig or a SK who shot last night.

Sauron
09-19-2011
09:57 PM ET (US)

lol nevermind, I'm dumb. The lynch from yesterday was included in the day post -_-

Is there anyone that stands out to you so far?

Kurumi
09-19-2011
10:01 PM ET (US)

Radfield and DoctorHelvetica should have been shot last night. They are the far more experienced players compared to the group of players that mafia went after. That alone makes me think we should keep on eye on them.

JeeJee, jackal, kitaman27, and Palmar all should be contributing more at this point.

Sauron
09-19-2011
10:04 PM ET (US)

chaoser claimed to have been shot. Do you buy it? I don't see why mafia would risk a role claim as vet after night one, but he has been known to make fake claims in the past.
Also, what do you make of this:

Kurumi
09-19-2011
10:48PM ET (US)

chaoser hasn't claimed vet. At this point, I think it's a null tell.

The message is a distraction to town. It should be ignored for now.

Sauron
09-19-2011
10:55PM ET (US)

Does that mean you think it comes from scum?

Kurumi
09-19-2011
10:58PM ET (US)

I don't know, but its pointless to speculate. Who do you plan to push today for the lynch?

Sauron
09-19-2011
11:00PM ET (US)

I might have a couple people in mind, but I'm going to hold off for now. How about you?

Kurumi

09-19-2011
11:07PM ET (US)

DoctorHelvetica's play so far has been extremely inconsistant. I'm really not liking how he has played so far. What do you think?

Sauron
09-19-2011
11:11PM ET (US)

What in particular do you not like from DrH? I agree he probably would be a likely day one night shot if he were town. The way he was responding to people on day one makes me think he might have something to hide.

sadroba as scum can be really tricky. After missing day 1, I'm worried he might continue making minimal contributions. There are also a bunch of lurkers that really need to start posting more. Its hard to get a read on them, when they only have a bunch of one liners. chaos has also been pretty useless thus far. What do you think about kita's analysis?

Sauron
09-19-2011
11:16PM ET (US)

hmm apparently it seems like chaos is quitting. Do you think he is serious or is that just an act to gain town cred?

Sauron
09-20-2011
9:21AM ET (US)

lol guess that answers that -_-

Hopefully DrH flipping will give us something for day two.

Kurumi
09-20-2011
10:05AM ET (US)

Yes, filtering through his posts is a good idea. This post in particular I find strange:

"Greymist straight up asking for the ring day 1 doesn't bode well for him.

##Vote Greymist"

As scum, why is he placing his vote on Greymist for such weak reasons? I'm thinking his goal on day one might have been to distance himself from his scumbuddies.

I might not be around a computer for a while, but I'll try to come up with a few suspects when I'm back. Town really needs to start narrowing down the suspect list.

On September 28 2011 07:56 chaoser wrote:
I'm willing to switch to either ON or cyber_cheese, my two reads, to save you

On September 28 2011 07:59 Drazerk wrote:
Scum choose who sends the hits each night don't they very possible for ON not to kill anyone with 3 scum left

On September 28 2011 08:03 Palmar wrote:
wait did you not manage to swing the vote?

On September 28 2011 08:04 kitaman27 wrote:


No thanks to you, who conveniently disappeared after I confirmed myself. Same with jcarl and pyo.

On September 28 2011 08:06 chaoser wrote:
He's probably gollum

On September 28 2011 08:14 Drazerk wrote:


Bluffing

Kill him.

On September 28 2011 08:26 Palmar wrote:
what chaoser isn't telling is that the game ends in a 3rd party victory if he survives

On September 28 2011 08:28 chaoser wrote:


I got two active abilities:

1) I kill someone
2) I check a votelist to see if anyone in it has the ring

I also have the passive ability of being bulletproof

On September 28 2011 08:31 Palmar wrote:
I've been playing intentionally shitty and throwing out bad accusations (lol, radfield town... and sand/syllo scummy) to get mafia not to shoot me.

I genuinely thought kita was scum though.

On September 28 2011 08:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
You know what's fun Palmar? Scum will be more than happy to kill you because then they will get the Ring. Awesome...

On September 28 2011 08:47 chaoser wrote:
If palmer wins it's cause you outted me -_-

On September 28 2011 08:49 Drazerk wrote:


MURDER PALMAR

ACHIEVE VICTORY FOR YOUR FACTION

that is all you really need to know...

On September 28 2011 09:08 heist wrote:
Hmm i was leaning town on jcarl with pyo and archon as complete tossups.