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On September 12 2011 04:28 wherebugsgo wrote: /in OH WTF YES LOL Oh yay, WBG can carry me again =P | ||
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On September 16 2011 08:48 GMarshal wrote: Now I *really* want to play :-( Damn school. Fuck school, catch scum. | ||
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On September 16 2011 12:25 TranceStorm wrote: Hey everyone. I haven't played a mafia game in a few months, and would love to get /in on this one :o). OH HEY LOOK I FOUND THE LAST ONE | ||
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Activity: You must post in this thread five times per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled. I like this. Lurkers have always been my least favorite thing about playing forum mafia. On September 17 2011 09:19 GreYMisT wrote: Well looks like I succeeded in getting discussion going. Out of the three people who voted for me immediately, only Dr. H and chaises gave a good reason. Daz, any other reason rather than "I agree," or is your vote a sheep vote? Yes, you got discussion going, but at what end? Either your scum, and if we gave it to you, we'd be fucked Day 1. Or you're town, and if we gave it to you, you'd be killed tonight, and we'd be fucked Night 1. Either way, pretty pointless. Although I assume the one with the Ring wouldn't be dumb enough to give it away so early anyway. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now and assume it was indeed just to "get the discussion going". It's been a while since I've read the Hobbit, but Bilbo gets the Ring from Gollum right? I'm pretty sure it was through some riddle. I think it's safe to speculate that Gollum starts with the Ring, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was third party. On September 17 2011 08:43 prplhz wrote: Gollum was clearly evil and the Ents were clearly good, although they were pretty lazy. Ask yourself, would an omnipotent Gollum have sided with Gandalf? Would an omnipotent Treebeard have sided with Sauron? Also, why are we talking about neutral factions when we should clearly be talking about Voldemort and the Ring Wraiths? Oh you. | ||
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On September 17 2011 12:54 Navillus wrote: EBWOP: I'm actually curious, I'm still really bad at mafia and I want to know. "I'm bad, so that's why I'm playing bad" generally doesn't run as a legitimate excuse for slipping up or a bad claim. | ||
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On September 17 2011 15:52 TranceStorm wrote: I don't understand why someone saying 'I had the ring guys, I managed to pass it off, but I'm not saying to who' would be that harmful. If they do so, they can also reveal what the ring does which reduces much of the speculation about what the ring actually does and how it affects the game. I agree that there is uncertainty. That's why I dropped the whole 'chain' part. I see that it is far too risky and I assumed to much. But having one player (who can choose to do this or not and specifically when they want to do so as well) claim after passing the ring on and telling the town about the ring's effects would help. Of course, this would cause alot of scrutiny, but that would be no different from when any other person claims a role. And if you believe that I'm scum, that's fine, but you would be making an incorrect choice. In the end, it was simply an idea I had to bounce around ideas. Did our discussion harm the town? No it didn't. Misinformation and confusion is what scum thrives on. They plant little seeds in the town and let them grow based off of rocky information. Wanting people to claim puts the town in a position where they have to worry about fake claims after people passed it. WIFOM is not the town's friend. On September 17 2011 16:22 wherebugsgo wrote: Bitch please. I can make lists too. 1. Give me the ring. 2. I haven't alluded to why I want it. 3. TranceStorm is scum, it's obvious enough. I don't need to provide reasons when he sets himself up as he's already done. Yes, you do. Reasons always need to be provided. Votes without reasons are scummy. I'd be very surprised if WBG is scum though. After watching his town play in Resurrection Mafia, I'd be hard pressed to believe his scum play is this blatant. On September 17 2011 19:23 xtfftc wrote: Also, none of the currently discussed lynch targets are viable. They are all easy ones. I'd rather go for a random lynch out of the remaining players. So...you just want to pick someone random? Random lynches are dumb. Lynches need to have a basis. And while it's true that town often gets the first lynch wrong, we won't learn much of anything from lynching a random target. | ||
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Trance's idea seemed more like ignorance than scum play. A problem with his idea, though, was that the player who receives the ring doesn't know who he got it from, so there really isn't any way to have a confirmed chain of people like he wanted. I don't have any idea how to feel about WBG, but I'll stand by what I said before. I don't think his scum play would be this bad. | ||
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On September 18 2011 01:13 chaoser wrote: My vote on greymist (not even a vote since I didn't ACTUALLY VOTE in the voting thread) was merely a way to start some discussion. I didn't actually think for a minute that he was actually being serious. From that action, I'm leaning on Dr.H and Drazerk being town since they immediately pick up on what I'm trying to do and votes to put pressure on greymist. I feel like leaning town on them might be a somewhat large leap for joining you on the vote on greymist. You didn't put your vote in the thread, so Drazerk was the first one to actually vote for him. He seemed to jump on it really quickly. While you might just see it as them joining your pressure on grey, I'm a bit more skeptical about it, and I don't want to just feel like it was townies playing well and recognizing a pressure play. Scum jumping a bandwagon looks pretty similar. | ||
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On September 18 2011 07:44 Cyber_Cheese wrote: O Hai! You've got a fair bit to catch up on yet. Keep in mind while catching up that the minimum is 5 posts per day/night. On wherebugsgo, I get the distinct impression he's just a townie who wanted to have the ring and decided acting as Smeagol and demanding the ring until people got bored of it was better than trying to defend himself actively. I'm willing to bet there is no posting restriction, in fact I think it was explicitly stated somewhere that there wasn't. That said, I'd be comfortable with a lynch on him on the off-chance he is telling the truth about being third party, purely because that seems to make him a safer bet than most others. I agree with you that there's almost definitely no post restriction. Notice how his posts went from all saying "gimme the ring", and now they aren't. I may be missing a pattern, but I don't think he's following restrictions. Also, @chaoser: Let me clarify "somewhat large leap". I took "leaning town" to mean "I'm going to put them aside for now, and look for others." That didn't sit right with me because I don't feel comfortable with the bandwagon/town pressuring (however you want to see it) of grey. | ||
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For Erandorr and Palmar to just make one post and nothing else...come on. There is still quite a bit of the day left, but we need more than "sup". Lurkers hurt town. I want to see what their next 4 posts are (working on the assumption that they'll do the bare minimum). | ||
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On September 18 2011 11:02 GreYMisT wrote: Is everyone ignoring this because this is standard Jee-Jee? or did people honestly miss it? Bah, I also meant to mention his name along with era and palmar. Posting on iPhone ftl. I don't know what JeeJee's play is like. | ||
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On September 18 2011 18:22 prplhz wrote: all of you kids going "oh we not gonna hit scum today lets just all vote random" you're not doing it right of course we are not going to hit anybody if you don't even give it a try i like drh navillus and jackal as candidates for lynches right now People are saying that they don't expect to hit scum today. This is true. From a purely mathematical basis, chances are against the town. Now add in null tells, bad reads, and mistells, and our chances aren't really better. But for the most part, people aren't voting randomly. They are offering analysis and reasoning (for the most part) behind their votes. If this post was an attempt by you to shell some people off of voting for you, I'll say you failed hard. It's had the opposite effect on me. Please share some REASONS behind your suspicions of drh, navi, and jackal. Give us a REASON to believe you other than saying "I like them for lynches". Also, @WBG, you posted exactly what I wanted to say about Archon. It was a post that made me jackiechanwtf.jpg IRL. Archon and Py both only start posting when they are called out for inactivity? AND the posts are not entirely useful (much less useful from archon). Come on guys. Don't make us beg for your activity. Lurkers always seem scummy. If you want to play with the town, you actually have to play. | ||
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On September 18 2011 21:25 Jackal58 wrote: My vote is going on Bugs. Having played a couple of games with him now I know he is aggressive as town. He has not trolled any games to this point. His activity level is the same but his style is different. I don't believe he is mafia but I do believe he is 3rd party with a separate win condition from town. Right now I see two options for him. Lynch him or give him the ring and see what happens. If he and the ring leave the game that is probably not a bad thing. If we lynch him and the ring stays in the game that's probably not quite as optimal but still not a bad thing. Worse case scenario is they are both still here tomorrow. If you have the ring give it to Bugs. I can't believe that will end the game. The ring is inherently evil anyways. O_o rather daring to completely go against what everyone has been saying. While I don't feel that WBG is mafia, I also feel like I don't want to give the ring to people who beg for it day 1. Other than Bugs the only person that has struck me as off is Heist. I'm more sure of Bugs not being town than I am of Heist being scum so Bugs is getting my vote. [/QUOTE] ?????? Heist is the only person who has struck you as off? What? How about JeeJee coming, making one contentless post and voting for himself? What about archon and Py posting immediately after being called out? You sure are going against the current paradigm, mr. Jackal | ||
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On September 18 2011 21:34 jcarlsoniv wrote: Other than Bugs the only person that has struck me as off is Heist. I'm more sure of Bugs not being town than I am of Heist being scum so Bugs is getting my vote. [/QUOTE]O_o rather daring to completely go against what everyone has been saying. While I don't feel that WBG is mafia, I also feel like I don't want to give the ring to people who beg for it day 1. ?????? Heist is the only person who has struck you as off? What? How about JeeJee coming, making one contentless post and voting for himself? What about archon and Py posting immediately after being called out? You sure are going against the current paradigm, mr. Jackal[/QUOTE] derp | ||
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I hope you guys caught the jist of that. @prpl: I didn't say I was gving up because of math. You said people were voting randomly, and I argued against that point. | ||
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already shared reasons for my vote on drh and i'm quite sure other people wrote pieces on nav and jack which i'm not gonna parrot. Also this. I didnt want you to "parrot" other peoples' posts. I wanted your reasons for tossing them onto the list. I now see your reasons on jackal, but navi? | ||
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Those who's votes are not on the main lynch candidates need to get them on the (at least) 3 main targets. The more scattered the votes are, the more beneficial for the scum. It looks like WBG, prpl, and jackal are the front runners. It worries me how quickly the votes for jackal piled up, although he was inactive until recently. So cyber, JeeJee, GGQ, drh, cir...could you put your votes in a place where they will be useful? Now that I think about it, we haven't ears for drh or radfield in a while. | ||
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If there aren't posts to observe, there aren't patterns to observe, and connections can't be made. You are basically saying "I don't want people to focus on WBG or prpl, and I want to complete turn the votes around with very little left in the day". On top of it, you're getting very personal. What's wrong? Did we offend you and your scum buddies? | ||
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Just think about it, a scum-team with a mix of active and inactive players can exploit silent townies who have no idea where to go or target by sacrificing them late in the game as potential scum while they can focus on killing off power roles. Forcing all of them to be active deprives them of one level of camouflage and forces them to either expose their gameplan or cover their tracks. Both yield information on who we have to end up killing. Seems to me that's what's happening right now. A scum team exploiting the silent townies to try and get them lynched day 1. But whatever, I'll entertain the scenario. You say you want Jackal and one other to be the primary targets. Well, who do you want your +1 to be? | ||
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WBG, what are you thinking on either jackal or prpl | ||
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So...all of our lynch candidates you want to keep around til at least next day...lovely. You find trance suspicious for coming up with a ring plan (albeit a pretty bad one), and yet you'll ignore the fact that jackal wants to give WBG the ring and lynch WBG... | ||
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On September 19 2011 05:37 Jackal58 wrote: Well sorry for giving you credit as some one I took to be a good player then. You played scummy as town in Aces game and lost it for us. And no I never said we should give you the ring AND lynch you. AND and OR are two completely different words with different meanings. I still stand by my statement. Who ever has the ring give it to him and get him out of here. He's playing for his own reasons. He doesn't give a shit about town. If he doesn't get it lynch him. He's useless. What makes you think that if WBG gets the ring, he and the ring will leave the game? Let's just say I have a rather...personal interest in this. | ||
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On September 19 2011 05:08 chaos13 wrote: Sorry I haven't been around, been busy, and this may be my only chance to post today. I will be voting for supersoft. Let's take a look at some of his posts: Take note of this - he thinks WBG is scummy. While he doesn't say it outright (not wanting to commit to a stance) he implies it by saying it's 'artificial'. Now we've got his opinion on a bunch of different players, and in the post following this one he states that these are the players he is most suspicious of. Remember earlier when I was talking about what sort of contradictions are scumtells and which aren't? This is one that is a scum tell. For no apparent reason, WBG is no longer suspicious. In fact, supersoft doesn't commit to any particular stance here. After feeling WBG was artificial, he could now be absolutely anything. This encompasses two different mafia characteristics in one: 1. Contradiction of opinion without new evidence 2. Non-committal wishy-washy stance These are the only posts with notable content from supersoft. He's scum. ##Vote supersoft A pretty useless vote. Having this and the erandorr votes starting at the same time is doing nothing to help town. | ||
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On September 19 2011 06:56 Drazerk wrote: If this is true Erandorr needs to die. Will however wait until I read the edited text before switching my vote just in case your lying. So nice of you to join us! I hope you enjoyed your lurker vacation. Seeing as you haven't posted anything about prpl or jackal, I would like to know your thoughts about both of them. | ||
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On September 19 2011 07:13 prplhz wrote: so jcarlsoniv why aren't you asking greymist about the same? he's been very much lurkey too, voting me for chaoser parroting reasons and then a picture of jackie chan and then or he disappears until i call him out for just that? why is drazerk more interesting than other people who are arguably more lurkey? also jackal is off the table, erandorr is the new deal. Because I am currently doing my homework for tomorrow, and refreshing slower than I would if I wasn't busy. He posted while I was asking drazerk. You are correct, however. The same goes for grey and other lurkers. Once I can sit down and look at my list, I'll want to start poking the lurkers more. | ||
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On September 19 2011 07:27 Erandorr wrote: I am starting to get offended that people actually think I am scum compared to those guys  You shouldn't be offended. We have every reason to believe that you are scum. It worries me how quickly the bandwagon has happened, disregarding the fact that Radfield's post analysis on you was very good. On September 19 2011 07:26 prplhz wrote: @jcarlsoniv well homework sucks and all that i'm happy i did that earlier today 'cause the time before deadline is usually pretty hefty. greymist posted 20 mins before drazerk too, and your 2 line post at drazerk was 6 mins after greymist's last post, you took 6 mins to write a 2 line post? if you are that busy then why do you feel the pressing need to post stuff right now and not wait until you can sit down and consult that list of yours? You, sir, are correct. I missed that post. Drazerk was forefront in my mind because he was someone I wanted to watch. But yes, mistakes happen. I really would like to see people making a decision instead of "abstaining". Right now is not the time to have votes for pressure and things like that. It's clear that trance, iGrok, and supersoft won't be lynched today. Cyber, GGQ, Archon, supersoft, chaos13: please put your votes somewhere useful and take a stance on what is happening right now, instead of making useless votes. | ||
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On September 19 2011 08:03 Navillus wrote: Or blue actually, I just realized that fits too. If he's blue, I'll cry over how pitiful his defense was... | ||
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On September 19 2011 08:09 sandroba wrote: I just got here and got a fuckton to read. Curu told me 10pm but now I see it's in fact 8pm =/ Did I get modkilled? I believe he gave you a pass for the vote, but you will still need to make your 5 post quota...I think? | ||
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Lol I didn't say 5 max =P On September 19 2011 08:12 Drazerk wrote: Thinking about that I think a lot of people need to make the 5 post quota ( JeeJee springs to mind ) Yeah. I think they have until Morning 2, right? I could be wrong though. | ||
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On September 19 2011 08:21 kitaman27 wrote: If I had a ring, I'd pass it to jcarl <3 Oh you. You'll always be my lover. And don't you worry about passing it to me <3 | ||
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-_- I'm derping hard. I don't quite understand why he's mad he missed the vote...Unless I'm missing something. | ||
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On September 19 2011 08:43 prplhz wrote: uh you kids should maybe relax, it's just a game and all you know And this. Everyone should make like supersoft and go driving around getting smashed and posting on your phones. | ||
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On September 19 2011 08:48 kitaman27 wrote: Wait, what? Is there a scum politician or something? He never posted to change his vote. Dear Mig, are the votes correct? Or did you make a silly typo? Love, jcarl | ||
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On September 19 2011 09:00 wherebugsgo wrote: Can someone summarize why Erandor became the lynch? I've read most of the posts that were made while I was gone and it's not really making sense to me. Because of this: On September 19 2011 04:48 Radfield wrote: Errandor is a fantastic Day 1 vote. Lets break down what we're looking for: 1. Low-Mid range activity 2. Vote Contradictions 3. Paragraphy vote posts with BS reasoning 4. 'Contribution' posts that say nothing + Show Spoiler + Lol I think Wbg is just trying to be palmar right now (which is a pretty fucking stupid idea) If there are post restrictions I would be really surprised because Curu really hates those things . But then he might just take it out on us or do it for some sort of balance reasons so its pure speculation. First post details that WBG is probably just trolling, and while stupid, isn't really worth much attention. Frankly I agree, but whoops with his second real post Errandor is now willing to vote out WBG: We've gone from WBG trolling to now being worthy of getting lynched day 1. This is the most BS post in the thread right now. First we have the contradiction. Second we have the justification that even if he is town, he's worth getting rid of. NOPE. I realize that's not precisely what's been written, but that is absolutely the intent. Third, this is a complete and utter bandwagon. WBG picks up a couple votes, and Erandorr slides into the scene. Fourth you add in a bit of extra post restriction business which does nothing but cut him down. This is not why we vote! This entire post is showing that Errandor justification for voting WBG is not in fact that he's scum, but rather a bad townie who deserves to die. An hour and a half later, Errandor posts this: "Okay I read the whole thread now." Whoops scum slip. Why are you voting for a player AND THEN reading the thread? Not how townies play. This is all followed by a bunch more suspicion on WBG, but no actual points against him: + Show Spoiler + I forgot to vote earlier but lets just get wbg out of the game, I feel really uncomfortably by what he was doing. The reason I want you out is that you clearly have an agenda other than catching scum. That just makes me uncomfortable. To paraphrase: "You're actually playing good now, but you trolled before. You're targets are all good, but your behaviour is bad" It's hard to justify killing townies when you're scum isn't it? Errandor is very scummy, and likely the best vote we'll get: ##Vote: Erandorr And the subsequent bandwagon happened VERY quickly. I'm more than willing to bet there are multiple scum on this list: Palmar Radfield Syllogism prplhz kitaman27 OriginalName Vain TranceStorm xtffc | ||
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On September 19 2011 09:04 wherebugsgo wrote: Did he get lynched solely because of the edit? That was sort of the last nail in the coffin. If there were any people on the fence before that, the edit pushed them over the edge. But the bandwagon started before the edit. | ||
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On September 19 2011 18:32 Jackal58 wrote: Alright, it's night time now. Give Bugs the ring and get him out of here. You seem so convinced that giving WBG the ring will get them out of the game. I don't know why you're so convinced.. However, the fact that Jackal keeps repeating this after being called out on it several times surprises me. It doesn't logically make sense as scum play. I would expect scum to drop it after a while. However, he seems really locked into his point of view on this, which I would expect more from a town player. Now, I definitely want people to keep the list of votes on erandorr in the back of their minds: Palmar Radfield Syllogism prplhz kitaman27 OriginalName Vain TranceStorm xtffc Think about how quickly the bandwagon formed and filled up. I knew it felt wrong, and I'll be the first to admit that I didn't feel confident enough in myself to argue against Radfield to try and stop it. Before Radfield's post, prpl was leading the lynch vote. This has only made me more suspicious of prpl, and it makes me really want to take a deep look into Radfield. Looking down the list, I see Palmar at the very top. His posts consist of: + Show Spoiler + hey guys, I'm in a good mood so I'm not gonna ruin it by reading the thread. See you tomorrow Radfield is a cool guy and Errandor has done nothing that looks like town posting. WBG is almost definitely not scum, just put yourselves in his shoes, why the shit would he post the things he's done if he was scum, he's basically piling on attention and scummyness by wanting to look for his precious, outright demanding it. I'll be voting for Errandor. filter Still in good mood, cba telling you why you're having a case of the bads. I don't like the case on prplhz either. DrH is giving me really bad vibes. These all wreak of uselessness. It also connects Palmar and Radfield. The little, scummy bandwagon that started on Erandorr starts with them. We also see prplhz jumping onto the Erandorr votes quickly. When I saw kitaman's name on the list, it made me realize just how little he had done this game. If you filter his posts, you won't find much of anything. It's mostly a lot of posts asking others their opinions, and not giving his own. In the couple posts that he did have opinions in, they were weak and not definitive. I'm definitely watching kita. You better start actually contributing. Lastly (for now): On September 19 2011 08:42 Ciryandor wrote: Errandor you derp. I may die tonight... You cannot expect to say something like this and get away with it. You got some 'splainin to do. | ||
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On September 20 2011 09:04 chaoser wrote: Why are you blue fishing? I was shot and survived. That is all that matters. I am not claiming that I'm a vigi. I'm not claiming that I'm a vet. I'm not claiming anything. Except for the fact that you're claiming you were shot and lived. That's claiming something. It's very important. If it was a scum shot, that means 4 scum KP. | ||
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On September 20 2011 07:34 Radfield wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2011 03:47 jcarlsoniv wrote: You seem so convinced that giving WBG the ring will get them out of the game. I don't know why you're so convinced.. However, the fact that Jackal keeps repeating this after being called out on it several times surprises me. It doesn't logically make sense as scum play. I would expect scum to drop it after a while. However, he seems really locked into his point of view on this, which I would expect more from a town player. Now, I definitely want people to keep the list of votes on erandorr in the back of their minds: Palmar Radfield Syllogism prplhz kitaman27 OriginalName Vain TranceStorm xtffc Think about how quickly the bandwagon formed and filled up. I knew it felt wrong, and I'll be the first to admit that I didn't feel confident enough in myself to argue against Radfield to try and stop it. Before Radfield's post, prpl was leading the lynch vote. This has only made me more suspicious of prpl, and it makes me really want to take a deep look into Radfield. Looking down the list, I see Palmar at the very top. His posts consist of: + Show Spoiler + hey guys, I'm in a good mood so I'm not gonna ruin it by reading the thread. See you tomorrow Radfield is a cool guy and Errandor has done nothing that looks like town posting. WBG is almost definitely not scum, just put yourselves in his shoes, why the shit would he post the things he's done if he was scum, he's basically piling on attention and scummyness by wanting to look for his precious, outright demanding it. I'll be voting for Errandor. filter Still in good mood, cba telling you why you're having a case of the bads. I don't like the case on prplhz either. DrH is giving me really bad vibes. These all wreak of uselessness. It also connects Palmar and Radfield. The little, scummy bandwagon that started on Erandorr starts with them. We also see prplhz jumping onto the Erandorr votes quickly. When I saw kitaman's name on the list, it made me realize just how little he had done this game. If you filter his posts, you won't find much of anything. It's mostly a lot of posts asking others their opinions, and not giving his own. In the couple posts that he did have opinions in, they were weak and not definitive. I'm definitely watching kita. You better start actually contributing. Lastly (for now): You cannot expect to say something like this and get away with it. You got some 'splainin to do. Erandorr was a fine lynch. Everyone seems to be coming out of the woodworks right now softballing suspicion on me, but it's awful easy to shout that after the lynch. You didn't feel confident enough to argue against it because you thought there was a decent chance he would flip scum, same as me. As far as Day 1 votes go, he was the best I had to offer, and better in my opinion than prp and much better than WBG. I was not the same as you. I didn't feel confident in myself to make a strong case against you, not because I believed you. On September 19 2011 04:48 Radfield wrote: Errandor is a fantastic Day 1 vote. You were very confident in your read on Erandorr, not that he would have a "decent chance" to flip scum. I also stated that I was uncomfortable with how quickly the bandwagon formed on Erandorr, but I should have taken it further and defended my point. You're attempted linking of me to a non-contributing player is noted. Particularly after he blatantly buddy-buddied me. If I flip town tonight is that supposed to give Palmar townie cred? Not at all. It's just something that I noted. Things that confirm players as town are deaths, and mod confirmed connections (like we just saw with cir and prp). Everyone is scum in my eyes until something like that happens. However you do have some good points. The bandwagon on Erandorr grew incredibly quick, and if prp does flip red, that gives us a ton of info. Frankly I screwed up yesterday. Not about lynching Erandorr, but about the timing. I thought Day was ending several hours later than it did, and forgot that it had been pushed up by 2-3 hours. 8 votes in 2 hours is exceptionally swift. This is the cause of 1 of 2 things: A good Day 1 case when there are no others(possible), or, a swing from a scum lynch to a town lynch(also possible). Ok, so we now know that prp is town. And, as you said, scum had a LOT of places to hide in yesterday's lynch targets. I definitely want to hear a LOT more from our veteran lurkers. iGrok, Palmar, etc... It really is no fun for us to beg. Stop hiding. Actually do something useful for the town. If you can't post and be useful for the town, then you are more than likely scum and need to be lynched. | ||
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On September 20 2011 09:40 Radfield wrote: + Show Spoiler + Meant to preview not post Are you insinuating that after you saw my case against Erandorr you were thinking about making a case against me? That is certainly not what I get from this quote: This quote makes it sound as though you were only trying to stop a lynch on Erandorr, not make a case against me. Were you planning to argue to defend Erandorr because you thought he was town, or to attack me because you thought I was scum. Or both. Please explain. Option 1: Lurk hardcare, make an absurdly scummy self vote to distract mafia. Option 2: Lead a lynch on a townie. Equally successful, but I'll take option 2 everytime  Please use your newfound Day 2 life effectively and show us why scum like to kill you day 1  No, I meant I wasn't confident in making a case against your case, not against you. A player with a "decent chance" to flip red is a fantastic day 1 lynch. If you want a number I would say I was 35-40% sure that Errandor would flip scum. That's about as strong as I ever get Day 1. Makes enough sense. My Day 1 play has always been very poor, and it's something I want to work on. Plenty of stuff I still need to learn =) | ||
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On September 20 2011 12:18 chaos13 wrote: Although before I leave.. People you should trust: - Dr. H - TranceStorm - prplhz - Navillus (be skeptical, but I highly doubt he's scum) Watch out for Radfield I will not accept something like this. Give reasons. Separate note: Hope you sort things out and come back soon. | ||
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On September 20 2011 19:02 Palmar wrote: This shit sucks, I thought I made enough posts, my bad guys. And DrH dying sucks, because it means I can't just tunnel him today, I actually need to find another scum today. prplhz should probably give the ring away to his strongest townread. I'd go with one of Radfield, Sandroba, myself and pyo. These are the things I get from this post: 1. You are intentionally lurking, which hurts town. I hate lurkers, they ruin the game. 2. Maybe DrH dying sucks more for you cuz you've lost your mafia overlord. Must be rough. 3. Your "strongest townreads" consist of at least 2 people that I think could very well be scum. On September 20 2011 21:59 Palmar wrote: No don't worry about it. I'm just pointing out something that is a fact, but it is absolutely not necessary for you guys to see it right now, it'll come later. Unacceptable. You want us to just take for granted that you are town, and that we'll understand why later? Absolutely not. It is YOUR job to convince us that you are town. We're not just gonna let you prance around on your merry way and not question you about it, especially after you've been intentionally lurking. On September 20 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote: In any case, if you're lying, you should consider giving it away. btw, Sandroba is almost definitely town, but only if he takes his vote off me. I'm basically confirmed town from my exchanges with DrH, but only people like sandroba/syllo etc will see it. Lol? "Sandroba is definitely town, and his vote on me is super accurate, so it should come off of me." How are you even remotely confirmed town. Again, it is not your job to tell us you're town. It's our job to understand and analyze from your posts and activity that you could be town. Oh, but wait, you haven't had any posts or activity worth noting. Guess you aren't confirmed town. | ||
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On September 20 2011 23:24 Palmar wrote: lol, watch me give a shit jcarl. Oh, well in that case, you certainly won't mind if you earn my vote. ##vote Palmar | ||
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On September 21 2011 04:04 Archon_Toilet wrote: JCARLSONIV - on the prplhz wagon who is now confirmed townie True. I made a bad read. It happens. - Defends Sauron doctorh How is this remotely defending DrH? This was early in the game. When people vote for someone, they need to give reasons. If you check my past games, I think I've said something like this is most of them. - Just crapping on about lurkers but doesnt actually say anything Oh? I thought I had been fairly active this game. How have I not been saying anything? - Desperate to keep attention on the erandorr bandwagon rather than the one he was on. Mentions every single name on multiple occasions. This is important. It is highly likely mafia on the other big bandwagon as well, why ignore them? This is because the Erandorr bandwagon happened in ~2hrs. This was highly suspicious. At the time, there were 3 other lynch candidates, 2 of which have now flipped town. I'm sure there were scum on all of the candidates (except maybe jackal, cuz we still don't know his allignment.) - Has claimed a personal interest in the ring. We know who Frodo is. Can only be Gollum or one of the nazgul. And? You'd be a fool to think that only Frodo, Gollum, and mafia have an interest in the Ring. - accuses ciryandor (confirmed town) of being mafia cos he defended bugs (confirmed town) and prplhz (confirmed town) Again, pretty early in the game. I can play aggressively at times (as you can see with my vote on Palmar), and there are plenty of times when I'm wrong (especially day 1). Bad votes, defends the godfather, attacks townies over and over. Has generally caused chaos, most of his post long quotewall noone can read. How have I caused chaos?? And if you're not going to read the posts, then why are you playing the damn game. Vote to kill him. He is probably a nazgul. Nooooope. [spoiler]Chuck Testa[/spoiler] Also, iGrok's claim makes sense for his activity, but unless we can confirm with some kind of check I don't want to trust it at all. Could be a very clever ruse by scum to nab the Ring. But: [B]On September 21 2011 12:05 iGrok wrote: That does nothing for me then. I'll contribute a bit, but unless I get the ring I'm not going to piss off the mafia. I mean...they now know your claim. If they want to kill you, they will. They know you have a kill that you haven't used yet. They could squash you tonight. Might as well help the town and show us there's a reason you deserve the Ring. | ||
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- accuses ciryandor (confirmed town) of being mafia cos he defended bugs (confirmed town) and prplhz (confirmed town) Again, pretty early in the game. I can play aggressively at times (as you can see with my vote on Palmar), and there are plenty of times when I'm wrong (especially day 1). Bad votes, defends the godfather, attacks townies over and over. Has generally caused chaos, most of his post long quotewall noone can read. How have I caused chaos?? And if you're not going to read the posts, then why are you playing the damn game. | ||
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On September 22 2011 02:17 prplhz wrote: am i the only one who thinks that it's weird that the dude straight up claimed in the face of 3 votes if he was 3rd party he could just have made an analysis and then we'd have backed off but he chose to make an inconsistent claim instead and now he is not talking at all. the dude is so scum. But I don't understand, logically, why with only 3 votes, he would claim as scum. | ||
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On September 22 2011 02:29 Palmar wrote: Because scum sometimes overreact to pressure. Why would he do it as 3rd party survivor? He knows he will be lynched or killed eventually if he's telling the truth, but he isn't. I don't disagree with this. It just seems like a...really big overreaction as far as overreactions go. As for Drazerk, I felt that something was off with him watching him Day 1. I noticed it with their first two votes, and it seemed like they were holding hands throughout the game. Palmar, I'm glad you've started contributing. While I'm by no means convinced you're town, iGrok and/or Drazerk definitely feel more scummy. Now I gotta figure out who I'd rather vote for. ##unvote Palmar | ||
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On September 22 2011 03:25 Drazerk wrote: Right lets kill two birds with one stone shall we? I am a medic I protected iGrok and that's how he survived Syllo's cleave. I got a notification about iGrok getting hit so we can confirm Syllo is a day vigi with some extra powers on top. Now can we vote for someone more productive? Idk, can we vote for someone more productive? Is it possible? Why should we believe you? | ||
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(Assuming medics exist) Does medic protection carry over into the day? Not even sure if you can answer this. | ||
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On September 22 2011 03:38 prplhz wrote: this is a clusterfuck of clusterfucking. igrok needs to die and then some other medic/jailor can protect drazerk tonight and tomorrow we'll know if drazerk told the truth. if he did then he's confirmed, if not then he's scum. Well...if he doesn't die, that either tells us he was protected, or he wasn't hit. He would only be left alive if he were scum. But say he's a medic, and gets protection. That medic would have to claim they protected him and that he was hit, and we've outed a medic to scum, right? I'm not sure that's the best course of action. Although, I'll admit, I'm pretty lost right now. | ||
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On September 22 2011 03:47 prplhz wrote: jcarlson, i mean from igrok's flip we can see if he is a veteran scum and thus would survive syllo's hit .. then drazerk obviously didn't protect him and he's scum ... if he flips non-veteran SK-type role then drazerk obviously did protect him and he's not scum. Makes sense, but something still doesn't feel right about the iGrok lynch. I don't know where to put my vote T_T | ||
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On September 22 2011 03:52 syllogism wrote: Yes jcarlsoniv, you haven't had any opinions whole game long really That's not even remotely true. | ||
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I'm a few pages behind, but im gonna throw my vote on jackal. Don't like how easily he got off yesterday. ##vote jackal58 | ||
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On September 22 2011 08:21 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Well here is my initial impressions- Why did so many people wait for Radfield's opinion? Surely your all capable of having one for yourselves. I am currently wondering how this accusation weighs in: I am also thinking that night might be the perfect time to work on the cipher, since throwing around things like the one above can make you a priority target. On iGrok's kill; It occurs to me that every day we don't use it is a day that mafia have a reason to attack him on, whether this is a worthy trade-off for waiting I am not sure, I'd much prefer to use it but I can see value in saving it and it's probably worthy of debate. Giving him the ring for night immunity to absorb more hits I played around with in my head and is stupid. It's not really our choice to use his hit...If he is to fire randomly, he has a greater chance of hitting town than scum, so I don't think they're really worried about him shooting, especially if he won't shoot unless we give him the Ring, which we won't. | ||
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On September 23 2011 00:07 Palmar wrote: you're a dumbass if you believe this. I don't think you are, because you're being maliciously ignorant. And you are being intentionally malicious. On September 23 2011 00:26 kitaman27 wrote: Do we really want a third party survivor to hold onto a kp late game? I think he should shoot, since it minimizes his threat to town. If he doesn't shoot, on day 4/5 he could aim his sights on town in an attempt to give control of the lynch to scum. Also, even if his shot is role blocked, that's still a role block that's not being used on town. I agree with you, but the thing is, we have no guarantee that he would use his shot either way. He could just not shoot and claim to be roleblocked, and mafia could gamble that he doesn't shoot. Then there's a whole bunch of WIFOM that will ensue. On September 22 2011 14:09 syllogism wrote: Sure, it's possible Curu made a really dumb role, but as with everything else in mafia, one thing is more likely than the other This isn't a very good basis to argue against a claim. I think it was one of DrH's experimental games way back when that Ace was flipping out over a claim because he had never seen it possible. Turns out it was true and Ace got completely screwed over because he was too think headed to accept it as a possibility. Since it's closed set up, I feel it could either way =/ On September 22 2011 14:27 syllogism wrote: No, what I'm saying is that no role in the game is told what the ring does, until the ring is given to them or they obtain it by other means. Especially not a role that has absolutely nothing to do with the ring. This is a good point though. Again, all things are possible in closed, but it seems all the other roles have no idea what the Ring will do based on the revealed role PMs. I still don't understand why Drazerk protected iGrok night 1 (or so he claims). iGrok was lurking pretty hard, and not contributing. There would be no reason for him to protect iGrok, because mafia had no reason to target him. | ||
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On September 23 2011 00:49 Palmar wrote: hi jcarl. why did you vote to lynch a townie over scum? Hello! Because I clearly have a lot to learn in this game again. Looking back, at the end of the day, the choices were you and jackal. Jackal flipped town. So you're right. I should have voted for scum. Should have left my vote on you. | ||
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On September 23 2011 02:46 Drazerk wrote: My role changes every game of Mafia I play. How have you guys not learnt this yet. This means absolutely nothing to someone without an extensive past with you. | ||
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On September 23 2011 09:57 Pyo wrote: I knew it!! Radfield = scum... eat shit and die. I guess this means there's a 3rd party SK in the game: Both were "put to the sword." Or it could be a town power that mishit first night and hit second night. | ||
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I have no idea. I had a few suspicions about him at the time, but not nearly enough that I would suggest a vig hit. All I'm saying it doesn't necessarily mean there is (or isn't) a 3rd Party. | ||
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On September 23 2011 10:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Becouse noone fucking understood his claim. And btw that hit was on prplhz. Oh yeah, and that ^ | ||
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On September 23 2011 10:10 Pyo wrote: But is it common for town to get multiple shots like that? Seems a little overpowered... I was only thinking it was a 3rd party SK since it seemed like radfield was "green" to a lot of people so far. I don't know. I don't know enough about the possible roles in the game to say what's usual and what isn't. | ||
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On September 23 2011 10:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: btw, jcar, what do you think of Palmar?? I don't like the way he's playing. This is partly because of his intentionally abrasive attitude, but also because of his lack of trying to help. Looking through his filter: -Intentionally lurking Day 1. -Calls Radfield a cool guy, votes for Erandorr (but before Radfield does) -Says DrH is giving him bad vibes -Wants the Ring to be passed to a strong town read, i.e. Radfield, Sandroba, himself, or Pyo. At the time, He was one of my weakest town reads, and I was weary of Radfield because of the Erandorr lynch, so this raised a flag for me. - Says Sandroba is likely town, but only if Sandroba stops voting for him. Claims he's basically town confirmed because of his exchanges with DrH. Literally the only time he mentioned DrH before his death is:+ Show Spoiler + On September 19 2011 08:32 Palmar wrote: DrH is giving me really bad vibes. -Says chaoser is more than likely town. -Accuses iGrok, but is also ok with lynching syllogism -I vote Palmar, he clearly didn't give a fuck. -More pushing on iGrok, gives fairly good reasoning. -Continuing to be malicious, especially against syllogism and Cyber. -Now claims chaoser is scum (wait what?) -Believes Drazerk is scum -Starts to think syllogism is town, and Sandroba is looking worse. -More accusing of chaoser and plenty of BM I think Palmar could very possibly be scum. There were quite a few red flags that were raised reading through his filter. | ||
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On September 23 2011 13:37 GGQ wrote: We'll see tonight if there's another person put to the sword. I suspect there is a sk out there, but we'll deal with him later. The only real question for right now is whether we want to lynch iGrok today for a sure scum kill or scumhunt someone else (because if we all just vote iGrok it's a pretty shit day phase) and hope we have another vig to take out iGrok. Also, JCarl, I dunno if you saw the message Curu posted for this day, but I assume you are going to claim that you aren't Ugluk? Obviously I'm going to deny that. I'm not sure who wants to incriminate me, but Archon is the only one to have voted for me this game. Also: On September 23 2011 19:56 Archon_Toilet wrote: Woe is he who disagrees with Palmar, for he is always correct. ##Vote iGrok Except for, yah know, that Erandorr lynch. Archon, you still want me lynched even though your case on me "went nowhere" yesterday? Trying to pin me as the Urukhai? | ||
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On September 24 2011 01:14 Palmar wrote: And as we wind on down the road Our shadows taller than our soul. There walks a Balrog we all know Who shines red fire and wants to show How everything still turns to shit. And if you focus very hard Some sense will come to you at last. When all are one and one is all To be a scum and not to hang. Your rhyming went down the shitter :/ | ||
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On September 24 2011 01:35 kitaman27 wrote: jcarl, you don't buy the fake claim do you? Chaoser's fake claim? I'm not sure. I'm in class atm and I want to look back before I make any decision about it. One thing I'm worried about is that Drazerk lived through the night. I understand that he is claiming to be role blocked, but why wouldn't they just kill him? I might be missing something. If you kill a medic, doesn't that render his target unprotected as well? I don't understand why mafia would leave a claimed medic alive. | ||
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On September 24 2011 02:19 kitaman27 wrote: Look, we both agree iGrok can't be allowed to live to engame. If he gets lynched today, then that's fine by me. If there is a chance he is scum, not survivor, it might even be a better choice to kill him first. However, there is no doubt in my mind that chaoser is not town. On day one he took a hit. On day two, he got caught red handed killing someone. On day three, he comes up with an extremely convienent role that explains both the hit and the killing. The fact that you believe there is a town aligned bulletproof compulsive vig just blows my mid. chaoser is probably going to shoot me tonight. The only "conditions" his shots have is that the person has to be a threat to him. He can't be allowed to laugh his merry way to victory as a "Boromir", when it is beyond obvious that he is not. Here's a thought: suppose chaoser's claim is true. Let's say he's Boromir who has a kill condition. What if his kill condition is that he can kill any time the Ring moves. This makes sense because Boromir wants the Ring in his lore. It's speculation, so take it with a handful of salt, but it somewhat fits. And didn't he claim as 3rd party? Why do you keep saying people believe he is town aligned? | ||
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On September 24 2011 05:23 iGrok wrote: The moment I flip his name, I'm going to get lynched anyways and he'll be shot at night. If you give us a reason to keep you around, then you might not be lynched. Holding out information is pointless. @rayn: if I absolutely had to choose, I'd rather lynch igrok over chaoser right now. But neither of them really sit right with me as lynches. I'm not experienced enough in games with third parties to know what's best. | ||
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On September 24 2011 08:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Let's help him out. I claim Saruman. Dou you want to CC iGrok? Or anybody else? Uh...teh fack? | ||
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On September 24 2011 08:31 iGrok wrote: How long until lynch? Just got back in range of wifi We still have another ~23.5 hours | ||
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On September 24 2011 08:34 iGrok wrote: Oh wait is lynch tomorrow yarp | ||
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On September 24 2011 08:43 iGrok wrote: I didn't kill last night, I used my check If you really want us to keep you alive, who is Saruman. I'm not willing to let you live so you can tell us later. You can tell us now and then we can decide what we think about it. | ||
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On September 25 2011 21:01 prplhz wrote: jcarl has been tunneling palmar on and off all game and one liners on everybody else been of no use. the secret message about him being ugluk was placed there by mafia so it's a null tell. I've been on Palmar because I still think that he could be scum. Players who run around saying "i'm town confirmed" raise a flag for me. Now, it seems rayn is raising some of the same concerns that I did in this post: + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2011 11:12 jcarlsoniv wrote: I don't like the way he's playing. This is partly because of his intentionally abrasive attitude, but also because of his lack of trying to help. Looking through his filter: -Intentionally lurking Day 1. -Calls Radfield a cool guy, votes for Erandorr (but before Radfield does) -Says DrH is giving him bad vibes -Wants the Ring to be passed to a strong town read, i.e. Radfield, Sandroba, himself, or Pyo. At the time, He was one of my weakest town reads, and I was weary of Radfield because of the Erandorr lynch, so this raised a flag for me. - Says Sandroba is likely town, but only if Sandroba stops voting for him. Claims he's basically town confirmed because of his exchanges with DrH. Literally the only time he mentioned DrH before his death is:+ Show Spoiler + On September 19 2011 08:32 Palmar wrote: DrH is giving me really bad vibes. -Says chaoser is more than likely town. -Accuses iGrok, but is also ok with lynching syllogism -I vote Palmar, he clearly didn't give a fuck. -More pushing on iGrok, gives fairly good reasoning. -Continuing to be malicious, especially against syllogism and Cyber. -Now claims chaoser is scum (wait what?) -Believes Drazerk is scum -Starts to think syllogism is town, and Sandroba is looking worse. -More accusing of chaoser and plenty of BM I think Palmar could very possibly be scum. There were quite a few red flags that were raised reading through his filter. The ONLY reason I could see Palmar as being town is because he pushed the iGrok lynch for a long time. But this could be scum bussing iGrok. It would make sense because there was no huge reason for iGrok to claim, and it made him an easy lynch (granted, an easy lynch that we derped on). | ||
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On September 26 2011 04:01 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Palmar's reason to start the votes on iGrok yesterday was meta from a game that iGrok was a blue role in, and now he's calling himself confirmed town for the second time this game, the first being after claiming a conversation with DocH was the evidence no less. Exactly, which is why I still think Palmar could be scum. He has done very little alleviate that feeling. | ||
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On September 26 2011 08:08 Drazerk wrote: prplhz was double stacked. Also suck it scum I survived! You get a name on the roleblocker? | ||
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On September 26 2011 08:15 chaoser wrote: Mafia fucked up, they shouldn't have roleblocked me. Debts will be paid. Who did you target? | ||
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On September 26 2011 08:29 Curu wrote: A message has been delivered to all within the realm! The message reads: There is a third party scum team who have yet to lose a member. Why should we believe this message when the last one was a lie? Would like a scum member to help me answer that one plz | ||
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On September 26 2011 08:36 chaoser wrote: I was roleblocked, that's all you need to know. =/ What is your condition for you to be able to shoot? You've been able to shoot every night (right?). Seems like a kind of strange conditional if it has happened every day so far. Just feels like you're hiding a lot from the town right now. | ||
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On September 26 2011 20:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think it was already asked and answered, that medic and his target get notified if the target was hit. What I'm curious about the way Drazerk said it: "Curu just confirmed that prp was hit twice". Why wouldn't he say "I blocked a hit on prp, though he still died, that must've been a double hit". I think you've been over reacting. It makes sense that Curu telling him which target got hit would confirm his suspicions that prpl was double hit. And I believe your speculation is correct: that gollum killed prpl. Makes sense cuz prpl said he had the Ring, and gollum definitely wants the Ring. So that means: supersoft killed by scum (1), scum hit blocked by Drazerk (benefit of the doubt for now) (2), gollum strangles prpl (assumed 3rd party hit) (3), and then did someone else claim to be hit? I'm on my phone so it's not easy to check. If so, that's 4 kp when I would only expect 2 scum kp. There are definitely some beefy powers in this game though, so maybe it was a special scum power? Also, I agree with Palmar that kita should be looked at. I said something about him day2, but I didn't pursue it. He laid out ground rules for iGrok, but then when iGrok followed 0 of the rules, kita didn't say anything about it. | ||
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On September 26 2011 22:31 Palmar wrote: pyo ♥ Is this for his ON or GGQ anaylsis? Also, can you do anything special now that you've got your precious, you silly bipolar man? | ||
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On September 27 2011 00:00 kitaman27 wrote: Palmar just reinacted an entire scene as Gollum and you think GGQ is more likely? Oh look, he's going fishing for blues! I've already confirmed that I'm a tracker by claiming that chaoser killed someone. I see little reason to essentially role claim for a player who didn't kill anyone, unless they are about to be lynched. ![[image loading]](http://www.tru7h.org/xzzy/files/movies/gollum_fish.jpg) Right now, you're intentionally holding information from town. Town is not in a very good position right now. Not terrible, but not great. We got screwed over first two days by radfield on last minute lynches that shouldn't have happened (hindsight 20/20 and all that). We need information. Who did you track night 1? I also want to know more about chaoser's target last night. But I can somewhat understand why he wouldn't reveal that. If you are town, you need to help town, Kita. | ||
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On September 27 2011 06:11 Pyo wrote: jcarlsoniv, kitaman27, GGQ, heist, TranceStorm... where have they disappeared to? I had 5 classes straight today, and then straight to practice. I've been following along, but haven't been able to post anything too much =) + Show Spoiler + On September 26 2011 22:12 Pyo wrote: All this nonsense about whether Drazerk really protected someone or not feels like a distraction. Same with lending any weight to the cryptic messages. "JCARL IS UGLUK" was a lie, so trusting this new message seems silly, not to mention, how would scum know that there's another scum team, in fact, how would anyone know? So let's get back on track of finding someone to actually lynch: Meh, this is WIFOM at best. The way I saw it, ON being named by iGrok meant that he likely really is scum, probably even Saruman. At the time he made the claim, out of 17 total votes there were: iGrok - 9 Palmar - 2 OriginalName - 2 If I were mafia, I would totally name Saruman in that situation. If the accusation got ignored and iGrok was lynched anyway, Saruman would gain a shit ton of town cred for being accused by scum, while if the bandwagon really did form, then iGrok's nonsense would have been "confirmed." Either way, scum gain a "confirmed not mafia" status for one of them. Throw on top of there, the fact that scum were trying to bus/cast doubt on iGrok from the get-go: radfield challenging iGrok - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11428489 and again - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11446904 and again - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11457496 This was part of the reason why I was so inclined to believe iGrok in the first place. I mean it was radfield who was the first to really cast doubt on iGrok in the first place. To me this screams that iGrok was meant to flip, so as far as I'm concerned anything that we'd normally interpret from iGrok's lynch is probably the opposite of what we'd normally learn. In this case, it means that OriginalName really is scum. Also for what it's worth, supersoft voted for iGrok and flipped town, and I can assure you that I'm town. Dunno about heist or cheese, but just because we didn't bandwagon on iGrok doesn't mean we're scum. ---------------------------------------------- Now I don't know if I'm gonna be able to convince anyone of OriginalName being scum at this point, so I'll try to make a case for one of the other likely scum: GGQ If we look at DrH, radfield, and even iGrok, one thing that you'll notice is their exceptionally high level of activity and thread presence (in the case of iGrok, I'm referring to how he stood out with regard to his claim rather than his actual thread activity). This strikes me as somewhat odd for a scum team, which leads me to believe that the remaining scum have been and are actively lurking in the thread. The first name that comes to mind in this regard is GGQ. So what has GGQ done this game? 1. said iGrok was scum (but given radfield was also doing the same, it's a null read) 2. then responds when radfield asks iGrok to kill GGQ in the thread (the scum conversations in this game so far are really weird, yall should check them out, lol) 3. calls out chaosers weird claim 4. questions why heist started accusing ON 5. says that everyone who tried to save iGrok yesterday is scum So what's so weird about that? Well aside from it not being a whole lot, there's the fact that aside from iGrok, he's never really taken a stand against anyone else at all in the game. He's barely given any analysis either. That in and of itself should scream that he could be scum, but let's throw on some meta as well... The last time I played a game with GGQ (mafia XL), first of all he was infinitely more helpful to town, and second, he was double hit night 1 by an iGrok(GF)-led scum team. GGQ's town meta was so strong that iGrok made sure he died night 1 - pretty ridiculous eh? Well in this game, despite GGQ's correct identification of iGrok as scum on day 1, he's still alive and kicking. Kind of weird, right? A lot of that is WIFOM and/or meta, which isn't the most reliable, but the fact that there really isn't anything else to go on in terms of deciding whether he's town or not is a pretty significant concern in and of itself. GGQ is really strong player, why isn't he contributing more? TLDNR: I still think ON is scum, but I'm highly suspicious of GGQ as well. I really like this post. I hadn't remembered that Radfield was accusing iGrok. I think you're right, iGrok was meant to be bussed. Now, I'm sure this was meant to give Radfield town cred if we killed iGrok, but after Radfield died, iGrok naming ON would fit nicely with trying to give a scum member some towniness. I'd like to hear what he has to say since he hasn't responded to this post yet. On September 27 2011 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: And specially for this question. I think ON might very well be scum, but i'm even more sure about Drazerk, at least as long as he doens't care to explain. I'm gonna say it again. I think you might be overreacting. It seemed to me that Drazerk would be able to deduce that prplhz was double hit. Curu said that if drazerk was medic, he would tell him who was hit. So Curu tells Drazerk that he protected prplhz, but prplhz still died. It's easy to figure out that prplhz was hit twice. If a medic's target is killed by an unblockable hit, will the medic be informed at all? What I still don't understand, though, is why Drazerk protected iGrok the night before syllo tried to hit iGrok. All he says is: On September 22 2011 03:28 Drazerk wrote: Protection follows over as far as I can tell. Day 1 I wasn't getting a scummy vibe from iGrok and was uncertain about a lot of players. But...iGrok wasn't contributing Day 1. I really would like him to explain further. | ||
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On September 27 2011 12:49 kitaman27 wrote: @jcarl, who would be your top two lynch candidates today? Right now, I'm suspicious of Drazerk, and slightly on ON. I can't shake the feeling that Palmar is scum, something just doesn't feel right with it. But that may just be because of his dumb play days 1 and 2, so I'm trying to ignore it for now in case I'm just holding onto something meaningless. | ||
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On September 28 2011 01:47 Drazerk wrote: this may be a new concept to you. Telling people your going to do stuff and actually doing stuff are totally different things. For all Mafia knew I was trying to throw them off hitting prp by saying I was going to protect him but actually protect someone else. wut...what would this achieve? We knew prpl was Frodo. So you could claim to protect Frodo, who is a good target for scum, but actually protect someone entirely different, when it was pretty clear scum wants Frodo dead. How does that make any sense at all? | ||
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On September 28 2011 02:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also i'd like to add mafia still hit prp. Isn't it weird? Indubitably | ||
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[QUOTE]On September 28 2011 02:26 chaoser wrote: Mafia doesn't like to kill 3rd parties...QUOTE] [QUOTE]On September 28 2011 02:26 chaoser wrote: Mafia doesn't like to kill 3rd parties...QUOTE] [QUOTE]On September 28 2011 02:26 chaoser wrote: Mafia doesn't like to kill 3rd parties...QUOTE] I'm trying to get you killed, you're 3rd party. I'm not mafia! Yay chaoser![/QUOTE] I assume he meant mafia doesn't want to waste KP on 3rd part, but they're more than happy to push a lynch on 3rd party cuz, yah know, it's not one of their own. | ||
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On September 28 2011 02:35 Drazerk wrote: I didn't mention medic related stuff for the rest of the night after this post. So are you saying you're not a medic anymore? How convenient... | ||
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On September 28 2011 02:39 Palmar wrote: yo dudes, I'm claiming the Joker. I can do all of the following every night: Role check Murder someone Alignment check Medic protection Force a modkill Murder someone I'm masoned with myself, meaning I can PM myself. I role checked chaoser, he's an SK, his true identity is Lord Vader. I murdered purplehaze I alignment checked kita, he's scum I didn't medic protect anyone because I'm an asshole I couldn't force more modkills, Curu said enough already. I murdered purplehaze again for good measure. I told myself how awesome I am. So kita is scum! Feel free to use that on yourself. | ||
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On September 25 2011 03:06 Palmar wrote: This game is so much fun. I love it when mafia is open about their trolling lol. Also, what a baller claim iGrok, you're a hero. If you read Palmar's filter, the vast majority of his posts have been trolling. We've all been ignoring a lot of what he's saying just because he's been super annoying the whole game. He's been openly trolling the whole time. | ||
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What about it? You're the only one who's been openly trolling the whole game. And you find it entertaining that mafia is open about trolling. | ||
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sigh...you're impossible to deal with. Can't take you on by myself. | ||
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On September 28 2011 02:43 jcarlsoniv wrote: If you read Palmar's filter, the vast majority of his posts have been trolling. We've all been ignoring a lot of what he's saying just because he's been super annoying the whole game. He's been openly trolling the whole time. Quoting myself. Really would like to know someone else's thoughts on this. | ||
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On September 28 2011 03:08 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I've made several cases against Palmar, none of them took off, but he hasn't done much to prove his innocence. Both of you would probably be interested in this post of mine + Show Spoiler + On September 27 2011 11:30 Cyber_Cheese wrote: To quote myself from a while back Of which, Radfield is dead and Drazerk is very likely a medic, so I'm comfortable with a lynch on the middle three if it's not Palmar today Im going to list my reasons to vote Palmar once more, because I believe he was one of the scum behind the bus Let's start with Palmar confirming himself: Pre DocH being modkilled- Post iGroks death- Now keep in mind that iGrok was more than likely bussed At this point, go through Palmar's filter and look at just how sure he was that iGrok was mafia, correct or otherwise. It's amazing how he's working only on meta that he refuses to contrast to iGroks current play. On iGrok's meta however- So apparently iGrok's 'meta' wasn't even relevant from the beginning what? For now my votes staying on Palmar. I'm well aware you have. Everyone else really seems to want to ignore it though. | ||
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On September 28 2011 08:34 kitaman27 wrote: lol not that you mind. I have to say, you kinda broke my heart when you abandoned me. I stil <3 you though ^_^ Lol I sowwy | ||
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On September 28 2011 08:53 heist wrote: Buck up guys. All is not lost. All you have to do is trust me, trust Drazerk, and trust Kita. lol oh? | ||
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On September 28 2011 08:59 heist wrote: Mafia has been decimated of their vets. We know the neutrals. Don't know why everyone is ready to give up. Just curious. Why is it that we just have to trust you? | ||
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On September 28 2011 09:04 heist wrote: Just look at this list: Greymist raynpelikoneet jcarlsoniv TranceStorm Out of these 4, at least 1 is mafia. Bet on it. That's the Palmar vote list, yah? I feel that rayn is probably town. I don't have too much of a read on Greymist, probably town. Trance is my best scum read at the moment out of that list. I feel like he hasn't really done much this game. | ||
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On September 28 2011 09:01 heist wrote: Fine don't. But dear god, dont kill me. Hey, I would love to have someone around I can definitely trust. I just don't like people saying I should trust them with no real reason to do so. This is largely why I have been against Palmar this whole game. | ||
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On September 30 2011 03:32 kitaman27 wrote: heh scum don't always vote together cyber. If anything, they try to spread their votes apart so they can't be connected to each other. @rayn, who do you want to lynch and why? @jcarl, you were pretty absent the previous lynch and didn't come in until the last minute to vote Palmar. Thoughts? Yeah, I've been sitting here just trying to think and work it out. Our remaining candidates have been pretty lurkerish. Like, what happened to GGQ? I feel like Cyber just looking at the votes and trying to determine who is scum off that list isn't very useful. He just posted a list of 3 confirmed town members. I would be pretty satisfied lynching him. Although, GGQ is probably scum just sitting and hiding and doing nothing. | ||
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Kita and Drazerk, I will be more inclined to listen to your opinions (obviously) because you're confirmed town. But why is there no focus on GGQ? All game, the ONLY person he focused on was iGrok. Like, unwaveringly. Now, I think it is highly likely that iGrok was meant to be bussed the entire time he was alive. Town was just too derpy to do it (not excluding myself). GGQ pushing iGrok so hard without really any other posts directed at anything else raises flags for me. On September 26 2011 06:18 GGQ wrote: Hey guys, birthday weekend was busy, lol, but I see we finally got iGrok. This SHOULD go without saying, but we now kill people that tried to save iGrok yesterday. There's no point flipping over backwards trying to convince yourself that people could be scum when there's perfectly good scum standing right there. Basically, "No point in looking at me, the person who pushed iGrok the whole time (in the very few posts I made), when we can attack some perfectly juicy townies". On September 28 2011 09:47 GGQ wrote: I think I'm supposed to be modkilled =/ Have mercy, curu? I can catch up on the thread tonight If I'm modkilled, chaoser is 99% the sk, cyber, pyo, and heist are probably the mafia At least one of them are scum. Possibly two of them. If GGQ were to flip scum, this post seems like it would try to clear these players. ##vote GGQ | ||
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On September 30 2011 11:09 kitaman27 wrote: To be honest, I've haven't really been paying much attention to him for the exact reason you seem to think he is scummy. The one problem with the bus theory is that GGQ was on iGrok even before he came out with the third party claim. Considering all the town cred Radfield lost on day two working to save iGrok, I'm not sure that would have planned to bus him from day one. What are you thoughts on Trance and pyo? I think your Pyo analysis is good. I feel either Cyber or Trance is scum, just not sure which. I have no problems lynching Pyo, but I definitely want GGQ to actually do something. | ||
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On September 30 2011 23:17 Pyo wrote: you kids never learn... you're really gonna go with another last minute vote swap/bandwagon? w/e ##vote: cyber_cheese 7+ hours left hardly constitutes last minute | ||
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