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As always, some general advice: 1) Town should stay focused. A few talking points should dominate a day cycle but never so many that it's basically everyone posting suspicions on everyone else, leading to "post-by-post analysis" of 5+ people. A disorganized town is a plus for the mafia. 2) Don't rely on power roles. Assume we have none and go from there. 3) Personally I like a bit of civility but I do understand some people like to be aggressive and it has it's uses. But let's keep the atmosphere positive instead of negative. Negative atmosphere will be detrimental to town play and at the end of the day that isn't good. Point 3 in particular should be on everyone's mind. Palmer really messed town up in the previous game by basically making Day 2 a huge mess with over-aggression and spam. And then basically the only reason mafia was lynched in that game was due to blue power, breaking point 2. Let's NOT bank on blues to win the game this time. Also, ##vote: Greymist asking for the ring outright? tsk tsk. My steel and iron comes for you. | ||
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1) We have no idea who has the ring. 2) We have no idea how the ring gets transferred 3) We should NOT be speculating and making plans for the RING. I assume whomever has it will do what they think is the best when the time comes. All this ring talk as well as "plot-talk" (talking about the books themselves) is EXTREMELY detrimental to town. You're basically letting mafia get away with an easy conversation topic since pretty much anyone can talk about speculation without really coming off as suspicious. Wherebugsgo is probably either town being stupid or most likely 3rd party. There is almost no chance/reason mafia would do what he has doing since: 1) It makes himself look suspicious; mafia are only suspicious by what they hide, not outright 2) It does almost nothing to gives mafia an advantage (It's only drawing attention to himself and I doubt anyone would actually give him the ring at this point.) TranceStorm came out with a shitty plan that does more bad than good for town but that just makes him one of Radfield's "easy targets". I'd keep an eye on him but at this point he's not a very good lynch target. My vote on greymist (not even a vote since I didn't ACTUALLY VOTE in the voting thread) was merely a way to start some discussion. I didn't actually think for a minute that he was actually being serious. From that action, I'm leaning on Dr.H and Drazerk being town since they immediately pick up on what I'm trying to do and votes to put pressure on greymist. A person who IS a good lynch target? prplhz. Look over his (5) posts. They are either heavily involved with the stories or not helpful at all. On September 17 2011 09:44 prplhz wrote: What is the point of arguing about the passing of a ring that is probably not going to get passed, hell, we don't even know if whoever has it even has the ability to pass it? Though it was offered willingly a couple of times (to Galadriel and to Aragorn and at Rivendell Frodo also wanted to get rid of it), I think that it is silly to spam and think about it when it's purely speculation and when there's more important stuff to do. Right now GreYMisT wrote a(nother) stupid post, saying "I'm sorry, I'm stupid and I'm on a phone too, that's worth a post in and of itself, but I see why you think I'm scum and stupid but I'm really just stupid". This just doesn't sit well with me even though the original reasoning for even voting him was inarguably pretty weak. He then continues to talk about ring speculation. He also talks about how everyone needs to be active and how there is more important things to talk about and yet doesn't talk about anything else except that we should vote amongst two people and they should have similar votes. He's in Denmark so he should have posted more already, especially about the WBG and trancestorm posts. ##vote: prplhz | ||
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On September 18 2011 02:24 iGrok wrote: Greymist's thing is not something to lynch for, but it is something to remember in the future. But he is someone to keep an eye on. I think whoever said WBG is probably gollum with a post restriction is right. But Drazerk has my biggest suspicions today, and lynching him will also give us the most information so far, both about greymist and the others who jumped on him. So, ##Vote Drazerk Like radfield said, let's lynch scum not for info. What suspicions do you have? What do you think about prplhz? This is your first post and it leaves much to be desired. Guys, wherebugsgo, trancestorm, and drazrek are horrible lynches. They're not hiding behind anything. They are being very open and contributing, if they really are scum, as long as they keep contributing like they are now, we WILL figure it out.' I already talked about WBG and trance, and for drazerk mafia generally don't join votes so early on, especially a vote on one as silly as greyjoy's. They rather point out how ridiculous it is and try to get town cred through seeming "correct". I said I leaned townie on drh and drazrek which isn't that intense a statement so I don't understand why jcarlsoniv finds it such a large leap. Will be keeping an eye on you. For the time being I hope people can see why prphlz is acting scummy and vote him over all the "easy targets". | ||
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On September 18 2011 18:22 prplhz wrote: all of you kids going "oh we not gonna hit scum today lets just all vote random" you're not doing it right of course we are not going to hit anybody if you don't even give it a try i like drh navillus and jackal as candidates for lynches right now He says to give it a try, but he doesnt actually try to make a case of any one of his suspects and hasn't pushed for a single one. He just says he is ok with lynching this list. He REFUSES to respond to my accusations on him and that's what usually scum does. Also his random change from "I strongly believe drh is mafia" to "I want jackal to scumhunt do I will pressure vote him" when he JUST said he was suspicious of him being mafia makesNO SENSE! Why and how do you pressure vote someone you believe is scum into...helping you find scum??? also i'd like jack to do some scumhunting 'cause he's apparently also a veteran of sort. since this drh thing is going nowhere i'm gonna switch to jack Please consolidate the votes to at the most 3 people we feel are mafia at the very least. | ||
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On September 18 2011 22:04 prplhz wrote: @chaoser you accusations? i filtered you and searched for prplhz and you have only accused me of talking about mechanics (and i did, how would you like me to refute that?) and then you accused me of not posting enough, though i think there are people who have posted less than me. yea it doesn't make sense for scum to scumhunt, and that's how you scumhunt, you force them to help you as any townie would do and then see how they fare. i'm saying i think that jack is scum and that's why i'm voting him but i'm very open to the possibility that he isn't, but he'll just have to prove that. also jack has 3 votes with mine which puts him in top3 of votes along with me and wbg .. i think you're being overzealous, your original reasonable for voting me wasn't too great and now you're just mindlessly following up, while agreeing with me that voting wbg because he's scum is defeatist, as i've said for this entire game. You said earlier: What is the point of arguing about the passing of a ring that is probably not going to get passed, hell, we don't even know if whoever has it even has the ability to pass it? Though it was offered willingly a couple of times (to Galadriel and to Aragorn and at Rivendell Frodo also wanted to get rid of it), I think that it is silly to spam and think about it when it's purely speculation and when there's more important stuff to do. I'm accusing you if saying that speculating is bad and then continuing to do it. After this post, over a 12 hour period you continue to post two more posts about ring passing. Saying one thing and doing another is scummy as fuck. Also, you want to "pressure vote" someone with 12 hours left in the say? Someone that you are already suspicious of? How do you pressure vote someone when you are wushu washy about them and say you think they are scum but are also open to the idea that they might not be? | ||
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i think vain and chaoser are acting pretty weird right now, chaoser was on my back earlier and now he's suddenly on supersoft's back with a weak case looks like he's trying to distance himself from me Where do I talk about supersoft? | ||
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On September 19 2011 07:18 supersoft wrote: sorry guys, i was on the road the whole day and only have my telephone to post today. i vote iGrok because of the reasons i gave in my last post. On September 19 2011 07:39 supersoft wrote: wait a sec pls i try to catch up. like i said i wasnt avaliable and now i am a bit drunk + i am postin with my iphone. You got drunk in 21 minutes while on the road posting from your iPhone? | ||
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Are you claiming that you are both a vet and a vig? Can you shoot during the day or only at night? At this point you need to roleclaim. Why are you blue fishing? I was shot and survived. That is all that matters. I am not claiming that I'm a vigi. I'm not claiming that I'm a vet. I'm not claiming anything. | ||
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If someone shot chaoser they should claim. If someone shot anybody they should claim. 4 KP is way too high unless we have an assload of prot roles. And why are you assuming/implying that I was shot by town? Others have the ability to kill as well you know (like the mafia? or third parties?). | ||
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On September 20 2011 09:07 Radfield wrote: Are you saying you were joking about the "i have your bullet now" thing? I took this to mean that you had a role where if you were shot you gained a KP. Please clarify. If you're only claiming "I took a hit" then I'm cool with that. I took a shot and survived. I can't "take a shot, get a shot". The rest of my post was merely flavor text, I guess would be the best way to put it. It's LOTR, I wanna role play a little lol. | ||
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He was cut short as the figure planted a foot of jagged steel into his chest with a snarl. “Letting your guards leave was a mistake, my Lord,” hissed a quiet voice beside his ear. Before he could respond, a hand roughly grabbed his hair and he felt steel sliding across his throat. Unfortunately for him, the bitter end was now. He cried out as steel suddenly erupted through his stomach, twisting through his organs. The Flavor Kill Text for all three. | ||
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On September 20 2011 09:53 Curu wrote: Ahem since I do a terrible job explaining. The story is just pure flavour. The end of the post with the flips, that's the personalized kill flavour. Also on the OP where I strikethrough the dead players. Oh my bad, so flavor texts are: Mr. Wiggles as Peregrin Took, Hobbit of the Fellowship, Town Messenger was stabbed through the chest night 1! wherebugsgo as Denethor, Steward of Gondor, Vanilla Townie Miller had his throat slit night 1! Ciryandor as Samwise Gamgee, Town Mason Bodyguard was put to the sword night 1! I assume the way a certain player kills by will be similar so while we have nothing to go on now, we can compare later to see. Also want to say a my bad to prplhz. | ||
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On September 20 2011 10:30 kitaman27 wrote: I'll post my thoughts in a bit, but are you claiming the hit that caused his bodyguard to die or are you just saying sorry for pushing his lynch? For pushing his lynch. I over thought what he was saying and tunneled him. | ||
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On September 20 2011 11:20 chaos13 wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699&user=21688 Sandroba's filter. I don't see that post there, I don't see any edited posts, and the word "sunday" does not come up when I ctrl+f. I are confused. It's in the voting thread. Also it was in Ace's Some Mafia Game. Anyone in that game or following that game would have known that Ace paused the game to give sandroba time. | ||
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On September 20 2011 12:18 chaos13 wrote: Although before I leave.. People you should trust: - Dr. H - TranceStorm - prplhz - Navillus (be skeptical, but I highly doubt he's scum) Watch out for Radfield Add sandroba to that list of likely to be townie. He was the only person to point out and call me out on the prphlz/ciryandor connection that I missed. | ||
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On September 20 2011 12:26 sandroba wrote: I'll get to that in a moment. I actually want palmar to post first, because he might just jump at X bandwagon and provide me no read. I was actually going to push chaoser today, but his claim made me want to wait a little. oh lol, apparently the person i trust doesn't trust me back. Sad Face =[ | ||
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On September 20 2011 12:46 kitaman27 wrote: chaoser, sandroba, what are your thoughts about chaos? He wants to leave the game. His post seemed sincere enough, especially the part about trying to reread the thread multiple times. If he was mafia then he's really great at faking it, in which case I suggest a job in acting. Though as mafia I think it'd be easier for him to just post some bullshit and try to slink off for the day. Worst comes to worst mafia could have bussed him after he played a hard day of mafia and got lynched. I don't agree with what he's doing though...either he actually needs to leave the game as a townie, in which case he should have only told curu so that we aren't like, wow that was so sincere, the person replacing him is probs town. Or he's mafia using an out of game mechanic (replacement) to get his team into a better position, which i think is really really not playing to the "spirit of the game". In the end though I feel bad for him and I hope he comes back to play mafia in the future =[. | ||
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On September 20 2011 12:49 sandroba wrote: Well chaoser, you do like to hug onto townies when you are scum. Like you did with foolishness in the game I co-hosted recently. Anyway I'm not sure on you yet, so you have time to provide me a proper read or fool me. Meanwhile care to help me out sort through scum and townies on that list I provided? Maybe remove ON, since he appears to be here and his case seems genuine. Since jeejee is acusing jackal, but haven't said shit I'll keep him there. I have a funny feeling that if jackal is town jeejee is mafia planting the seed so someone else can make a full blown case and get the blame. Let me re-read everything, especially ON's posts, since I have him on my scummy scale as "Scummy" but I don't remember why since I haven't been on my home computer in two days. | ||
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On September 18 2011 05:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Contributed nothing this game so far now just announcing a sheep vote. Explain why. Why is prplhz more convincing than other candidates? What do you think about the gollum/ring discussion? raynpelikoneet is probably town. On September 19 2011 05:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I think it's quite probable Errandor is scum and misunderstands my reasons for voting for WBG and is trying to parrot/hide behind my bandwagon. However, if I have to switch my vote I personally get a worse feeling from Supersoft and chaos13 did a pretty good job of pointing out that very strange inconsistency. Supersoft gets some town cred from this post. On September 19 2011 12:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Erandor and supersoft had marginally good cases against them but played less scummily than you. You're either SK or scum and I never implied you couldn't be scum so honestly i don't even see you rpoint Even more from this one. That's it for now, and I'll be busy for the next day but people should read over DrH's previous posts and note people that he talks about but never responds to him. Mafia like to not be tied to each other so people who are directly avoiding mentioning each other or only have the slightest of mentions. | ||
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On September 20 2011 23:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is why I suspect chaoser: He thinks DrH is town, i'll come back to that later. Still trusty for DrH, also to sandroba, which I find somewhat suspicious. He posts this AFTER DrH died. WTF? You're literally basing all your accusations on the fact that I thought DrH was townie...Even vets have off days. If I was mafia 1) why would I say my opinion about DrH and Drazerk being townie-ish RIGHT at the beginning of the game when there was obviously no pressure on either one of them. 2) why would I claim I got shot when there's no pressure on me? Even if it hit a third party, the risk of him counter claiming to get a mafia lynched is very high since that would get him town-cred. | ||
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Says he was filtering DrH's posts. Never did. Said he had analysis. He actually never did any. Says a medic protected him. One, why would any medic protect him? Two, Medics generally only protect in the night which is what makes day vigis so powerful. Says he's a third party that wants to help us but needs the ring. First of all, we don't know if that IS ACTUALLY your wincon, second of all you haven't been a help to town yet, why should we trust you to suddenly become helpful all of a sudden after you get the ring? You could just lurk the fuck out. This is protactinium all over again and this time I've learned my lesson. | ||
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On September 22 2011 00:28 chaoser wrote: ##vote iGrok Says he was filtering DrH's posts. Never did. Said he had analysis. He actually never did any. Says a medic protected him. One, why would any medic protect him? Two, Medics generally only protect in the night which is what makes day vigis so powerful. Says he's a third party that wants to help us but needs the ring. First of all, we don't know if that IS ACTUALLY your wincon, second of all you haven't been a help to town yet, why should we trust you to suddenly become helpful all of a sudden after you get the ring? You could just lurk the fuck out. This is protactinium all over again and this time I've learned my lesson. Actually, nvm, if he's third party then mafia can kill him, we don't need to waste a lynch on him. If he's mafia then where he uses his hit will out him. ##unvote iGrok | ||
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On September 22 2011 00:51 syllogism wrote: He already took a hit and didn't die He strikes me more as "third party that's lying/not being completely truthful about his wincon and abilities" than as "mafia trying a weird fake claim off no pressure". Usually if there's a role that needs to kill a specific other role, that other role has to kill this role too. His whole claim strikes me as weird. He gets to search for specific subset of roles that aren't part of his wincon? He only has to kill one of the four people he can search for? All he needed to do was survive, there was no reason for him to come out and claim his role since one of his wincon is already fulfilled (Gandalf is dead) and all he needs to do is get to endgame. He is bulletproof already it seems so the ring doesn't actually give him bulletproof powers. He is probably third party trying to win the game early (probably wincon is to get the ring or something). | ||
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On September 22 2011 00:58 Cyber_Cheese wrote: This is a dangerous post because it contains misinformation. I double checked IGrok's filter because of it to look for anything else and try and throw a vote on. He posted an analysis on Palmar in the very same post as his claim that relied on Palmar trying to confirm himself off DocH, so I'm tempted to believe you didn't read it. More than anything though, it would help us if you explained how you allegedly survived an attack, to compare and contrast to IGrok's reasoning. My bad, I didn't see the palmer analysis cause I figured his whole post was on how he was balrog (only piece of "misinformation", more like error on my part). Either way, why would I tell you how I survived? That takes out all the WIFOM for mafia trying to kill me again tonight. And how does knowing how I survived help "compare and contract igrok's reasoning"? | ||
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On September 22 2011 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is everyone saying Errandor lied about editing, when he clearly didn't? He said "oops, wrong thread" and when mig/curu posted what he edited out, it was a defense of himself. That doesn't seem very "wrong thread" to me. | ||
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On September 22 2011 03:25 kitaman27 wrote: Could you explain how your opinion shifted from lynching igrok to letting him live in such a short amount of time? How did the claim go from scum to no sense as mafia? Also, what in specific about radfield's case makes you think jackal is scum? I never said he was scum. I was thinking how it was protactinium all over again (black role saying it would help town if town helped it) and voted him on a jerk-knee reaction. 5 minutes later I remembered that the way we dealt with the prot case was to just let him die and not wasting a lynch. We're here to lynch mafia, not waste time on third parties. A third party lynch is a lynch that mafia loves. They get to pile on to the vote with almost no repercussions since black role is "anti-town" and it also gets rid of a competitor. Let the mafia deal with it, I assume iGrok is balrog=SK since he's apparently bulletproof (syg day shot him). This part got me convinced: He also claims that he's fine with lynching either Prp or WBG and that both are scummy. Although after prplhz's last post he is putting forth a 100% complete scum agenda. I'm ok with lynching either of them. (WBG or prplhz) Yet later in the thread jackal makes two things very clear. One: WBG is very likely third party(pushes this multiple times) and Two: Jackal would vote for a scummy player but doesn't find anyone else scummy: Oh the one where I thought lynching a 3rd party suspect was better than a mislynch? I can understand if there was a transition between the two but there wasn't. He goes from "I think prp is a good scum vote straight to "vote wbg!". What about you? | ||
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On September 21 2011 23:09 Drazerk wrote: Medics exist and that's what I think has happened here and it's why I am asking they stay away tonight. On September 21 2011 22:14 Drazerk wrote: We have better targets Not really if he's lying I'd rather a vigi take care of it. People are already shooting at him over the claim, some idiot will shoot him either Mafia before he has a chance to go through with his plan or a vigilante. If your going to ask about possible medics I'd rather they focus their attentions elsewhere. On September 21 2011 23:41 Drazerk wrote: How do you know medics don't protect through the day? I've played a lot of games where they have protected all cycle. As for why they would protect iGrok? I have no idea. He does talk about medics a lot before he claimed. | ||
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On September 22 2011 03:47 Archon_Toilet wrote: I would like to add to this. Did you protect him last night or was it only during the day today? If you protected him last night, chaoser needs to hang. How does that work again? lol I said I survived, not how I survived. Nice ghost vote on me btw. | ||
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On September 22 2011 03:55 Jackal58 wrote: Put it in the context it was posted in. You've just flip flopped on iGrok and me. I guess that makes you scum. I posted my reasoning for the switch (he's probably third party, let mafia deal with him). You didn't. | ||
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On September 22 2011 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: He wins with mafia, why would mafia deal with him? He wins by SURVIVING. That's with either party, town or mafia. If he's bulletproof (which apparently he ISN'T anymore) then he would only die by being lynched. That makes it easier to ally with town so we wouldn't lynch him. At that time, I wrote that post based on the information then (he got shot, survived, he looked like he was lying in his claim). | ||
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I have a number of powers, but I'll start with my wincon: I win when any faction wins and Gandalf is dead. Where does he say he wins with mafia? He said he wins by surviving. And you're talking semantics syllogism. | ||
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On September 22 2011 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you confirm 100% iGrok is not mafia? You are blue fishing so fucking hard right now | ||
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On September 22 2011 04:28 Jackal58 wrote: I really don't like revisiting this: What part do you fail to comprehend? On September 20 2011 14:15 Curu wrote: After discussion with Mig and BC I have decided to modkill xtfftc, Navillus, chaos13 and DoctorHelvetica. I will discuss the decision after the game. Modkill post will be coming up shortly. Anybody requesting future replacement, simply announce it in the thread and send me a PM with your reasons. Do not post something like chaos13 did, that is blatantly affecting people's reads on you when replacing out. Don't try to use your asking for a replacement as some sort of "town cred" bullshit. I already called chaos13 out on it, don't you do it too. | ||
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On September 21 2011 20:11 Radfield wrote: ##Vote Jackal You didn't actually vote in the vote thread radfield | ||
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On September 22 2011 08:03 prplhz wrote: well at least you're out of a terrible game full of terrible townies Just got back from ER shift, =[. Who do you think is mafia prplhz? | ||
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On September 22 2011 09:57 Radfield wrote: blech. iGrok, you're shooting GGQ tonight. Curu, can an unblockable kill be stopped via roleblock? please say no... Don't listen to this iGrok. | ||
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We should decide as a town who to shoot. Radfield, why GGQ? | ||
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On September 22 2011 12:20 GreYMisT wrote: So a hypothetical survivor role would not fit under the category "evil"? On September 22 2011 12:16 Curu wrote: Town win con is to eliminate all evil, a la all opposing factions. Why couldn't you have answered earlier... | ||
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On September 22 2011 20:58 Palmar wrote: Syllogism is looking better, sandroba is looking worse. If you think syllogism is looking townie then obviously Drazerk should be looking townish too. Syllogism said he shot iGrok but then iGrok survived. Drazerk immediately starts dropping hints all over that he's the medic that protected iGrok. The response was quick enough that the only way Drazerk as mafia could have done it is if it was all preplanned. | ||
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On September 23 2011 00:07 Palmar wrote: you're a dumbass if you believe this. I don't think you are, because you're being maliciously ignorant. I'm sorry, how am I being a dumbass? Ad hominem attacks don't help me understand why you think the way you do. I actually don't see how that thinking is wrong and I don't see how I'm bring maliciously ignorant if I'm ASKING YOU TO HELP ME SEE WHERE MY LOGIC IS WRONG. Also you talk about me being "wrong too much to be town" and yet never mention radfield. He's the ace of scum hunting, to have dropped the ball twice on last minute switches. And stop being an asshole, seriously, you're starting to annoy me. He's the ace of scum hunting and for him to have dropped the ball twice on last minute switches is glaring. | ||
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EBWOP: He's the ace of scum hunting and for him to have dropped the ball twice on last minute switches is glaring. replacing: He's the ace of scum hunting, to have dropped the ball twice on last minute switches | ||
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On September 23 2011 00:32 Palmar wrote: why do you care what I think chaoser? Because you just called me a dumbass. So I want to know WHY I'm a dumbass. Just saying I'm a dumbass doesn't make me understand the situation. I'm not going to read you calling me a dumbass and go: "OHHHHH so THAT'S why my thinking was wrong, I'm just a fucking dumbass. I guess I'll try to be less of a dumbass and then I can see what the fuck Palmer is talking about." So why am I a dumbass palmer? | ||
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On September 23 2011 00:52 Palmar wrote: I said I don't think you're a dumbass bro. I think you're actually good enough to understand the situation, but you're just choosing not to because unfortunately you rolled scum again. Actually I know you're one of the best players in this game, so anything silly you do paints you red like the ocean. Right, and I'm saying you overestimate my abilities. I'm not foolishness and I'm not radfield. They're both WAY better players than I am. I'd say I'm above average at most. The only game I did super well in was the one where I fake claimed DT as Vet and even then that was a crapshoot. I made a bunch of wrong reads in the prot game (really only catching GM and Jackal and the GM one was more based on meta since I had just played a PM game with him where I talked to him the whole game on skype) and aside from that I'm not a scum catching machine (you can look at my long history of games, I only started getting "good" recently.) I can see that Drazerk and iGrok are connected, clearly. And I can also entertain the thought that they are both mafia, but in that case this whole balrog/medic protect/cleave thing is probably pre-planned in which case all three of them (drazerk, igrok, and syllogism) are mafia. | ||
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On September 23 2011 01:05 Palmar wrote: possible, but not probable. If Drazerk and iGrok were talking on irc or talking in realtime then it's possible that it's just the two of them that are mafia. | ||
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If you're talking about me being "maliciously dumb" then radfield but be acting an idiot. Two last minute bandwagons and two mislynches. | ||
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24) You are Radfield. Wait, where'd you go? a) "Day 2: Radfield the Floridian Serial Killer has been day vigi'd" b) "Day 2: Radfield the townie had been murdered in the night." c) "Day 2: Team 1 (Radfield and Korynne) is now dead" d) "Day 2: Radfield died with a blade in his side" e) "Day 2: Radfield the sane Doctor is now dead." f) Hide nested quote - On September 07 2010 09:32 ~OpZ~ wrote: If you live past night one I'm always pushing for your lynch from now on. Palmer bitches at me for "getting it wrong" but never gets on radfield's case. ##vote palmer | ||
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On September 23 2011 08:41 prplhz wrote: @chaoser don't you think palmar and igrok as scum are incompatible? palmar led the igrok lynch day2 and he didn't stray from it not even 2 hours before deadline when igrok was looking very likely to be lynched. why did you pick palmar over igrok btw, igrok hasn't contributed ANYTHING so far while palmar has at least done something. also, radfield and i were hit by the same assassin (put to the sword), what do you guys make of this? maybe the one who hit me felt guilty or something ... If you look over both DrH's posts and Radfield's posts you'll see that they were at ends with each other and talked a lot to each other in the thread. I can see a similar thing happening between igrok and palmer. Either way I found it weird that palmer singled me out as "playing dumb so must be mafia" and not radfield, the person who was starting the last minute bandwagons. | ||
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On September 23 2011 08:38 GreYMisT wrote: I'm hoping its the 3rd one, sadly its probally the second. Chaoser and Kitman, Do you agree with my plan to have whoever Radfield was talking to the previous day come forward? Yes I agree, at the very least we'll have more info. Unless both of the people he talked to are dead in which case anyone (ie mafia) could claim. | ||
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On September 23 2011 22:17 kitaman27 wrote: sup chaoser, I saw you return to your house with blood on your hands. Which kill are you claiming? Sincerely, Your number one stalker. What a creepy slime. Like a kraken... My sword of steel and iron tasted the salty blood of Radfield last night. No hostages were taken. Anyone can counter claim if they want but they're not going to get very far. | ||
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On September 23 2011 23:06 kitaman27 wrote: lol wrong answer So this means you would have had to kill prp/ciryandor on day one. Since I know you're going to claim you thought they were scum too, guess what, I have another quote for you: Sandroba posted during night one that prp/ciryandor confirmed eachother as town. That means you would have known they were town, when you shot them. The only reason you would kill them was if you were after the ring. Tough luck. 1) That was AFTER the flip 2) I didn't notice till AFTER the flip and then I posted that | ||
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On September 23 2011 23:19 kitaman27 wrote: Wrong answer again. Sandroba posted that before the flip, page 36. You even responded to him on that same page so you clearly knew about the claim. It would be appreciated if you didn't spam the thread for the next 48 hours. k thx. Exactly, and in the post I responded back I said that they could very well be mafia backing each other up. It was only after ciyrandor flipped green that I realized they were together as bodyguard/protectee. I shot radfield, unless someone can counter claim that I have the best claim to it. I've been bread crumbing all game. Go read my day 2 post where I say I was shot. My steel and iron doesn't forget. | ||
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On September 23 2011 23:29 kitaman27 wrote: At your earliest convenience of course. Wouldn't want a typo in your fake claim. Of course. I am Boromir, Lord of Gondor. Take from that what you will. | ||
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On September 23 2011 23:33 kitaman27 wrote: Scum are provided with fake claims, you're going to have to give more than that. What would you like me to give? Like I said, unless someone claims they killed Radfield with a better claim than mine I'd rather not say too much. You saw all the awesome roles that died last night. I'd rather not go the same way as them. Let's just say I can make kills if certain requirements are met. | ||
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I am [b]Boromir, Lord of Gondor, Son of Man[b] I can kill people if certain requirements, that I will not say, are fulfilled. I am also bulletproof I win together with town. | ||
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I am Boromir, Lord of Gondor, Son of Man I can kill people if certain requirements, that I will not say, are fulfilled. I am also bulletproof I win together with town. | ||
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On September 23 2011 23:58 Palmar wrote: they can probably roleblock it away. Also thanks cyber, you basically confirmed chaoser's claim to be true. Hands off my brother Kita. Can we now hang iGrok? If a medic is on me they'd need to waste both hits, and a roleblock on me. | ||
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On September 24 2011 00:05 kitaman27 wrote: Wrong again. Fake claim. If you look at every single flip, the format is: Name/Title/Role So you're saying "Son of Man" is your role? Oh rly? "Together"? That's funny, cause I win when Evil has been purged from Middle Earth. That includes you. So you're a multi-shot vig that can't die at night? Can you breathe fire too? Great news everybody! We can all go home and let chaoser finish up the game for us! Shame on you guys for buying this nonsense. I added in the son of man, lol. Are we not allowed to embellish now? I paraphrased the rest of it, didn't want to feel the wrath of Curu, especially after his blue post about iGrok's claim. Would it make you sleep better at night if I had said I win when all evil is purged? I'm not a multishot vigi, I can only shoot if certain requirements are fulfilled. | ||
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On September 24 2011 00:22 kitaman27 wrote: So I've gone from "baller and hero of the people" to "retard" in an hours span? That's nice. igrok needs to be dealt with as well, but today chaoser gets lynched. Do you really buy his claim Palmar? You went from saying he is scummy scum scum to accepting a rediculous claim in no time flat. I shot Radfield. He flipped mafia. I hope you realize this. Unless I'm a mafia that selfshot my own teammate, I'm not mafia. | ||
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On September 24 2011 00:35 GGQ wrote: If chaoser died of spontaneous combustion, who would you vote for? =[ I hope I don't, I wouldn't want to lose some fingers and toes. | ||
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On September 24 2011 00:34 GGQ wrote: This strikes me as very very sketchy. You made a specific decision not to claim your role name even though you are claiming your powers. Instead you replace the role name part with some bullshit phrase. Why do this instead of just claiming the role name? I'm scared of Curu's mod powers. I'm not directly posting any of my PM unless he says it's ok. | ||
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On September 23 2011 22:17 kitaman27 wrote: sup chaoser, I saw you return to your house with blood on your hands. Which kill are you claiming? Sincerely, Your number one stalker. BTW, I find it odd that you posted this claim hours after the day post. Why not immediately after, when both you and I were active in the thread? On September 23 2011 08:34 chaoser wrote: iGrok, did you kill anyone last night? On September 23 2011 08:35 kitaman27 wrote: iGrok, who was your shot last night? | ||
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On September 24 2011 00:49 Palmar wrote: but he hasn't actually claimed SK has he? iGrok did that... :D he has all the makings of a town vigilante! He's killed scum, participated in the game, NOT CLAIMED 3rd PARTY, he mentioned being Lord of Gondor which fits perfectly with my title. We're brothers yo! Stewards of Gordor ftw! | ||
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On September 24 2011 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: I understand this. I also understand that Radfield was not willing to lynch iGrok and that raises my suspicions. I just want to see iGrok flip, i don't even care if he flips red/yellow/whatever but green, but for me that gives precious info. My precious......info.. Lol he's gollum, that's why he wants igrok dead | ||
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On September 24 2011 20:53 Palmar wrote: I AM RUNNING IN CIRCLES OF JOY On September 24 2011 22:35 Archon_Toilet wrote: I HATE YOU KITAMAN Stop spamming the thread. ##vote: OriginalName Vote jumped up so quickly and willingly on iGrok, 9 votes before the end of day one by far. I'm up for ON. His very first post in the thread after start of the game got me suspicious of him. He hasn't gotten much better. On September 17 2011 11:10 OriginalName wrote: I sort of see why people are suspicous but it really boils down to a poor reaction to a really null tell (IE fishing for the ring as if you noted i fished for the wand in PYP2 and flipped town) I want to see how things develop first. The non-commitment is fresh in this. | ||
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On September 24 2011 22:47 kitaman27 wrote: Wait.....what? You're one voting me? o.O chaoser, what's your imaginary kill restriction? What's your take on ON? | ||
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Chaoser attacked the person who was leading the town best I think we have different definitions of what "Best" means cause I'm pretty sure two mislynches brought on by last minute bandwagons isn't such. You know what, fuck it ##vote: igrok | ||
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On September 25 2011 03:38 OriginalName wrote: Also do note that iGrok has completely dropped off the face of the earth. again. Do you think igrok is scum ON? | ||
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On September 25 2011 05:50 Drazerk wrote: iGrok's claim is far to convenient. Kill him now we can have a real DT ( I hope we have one left ) check ON depending on the flip. I thought about it and igrok is indeed the best lynch for today. It will give us better info on kitaman and palmer | ||
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On September 25 2011 07:37 kitaman27 wrote: lol he's not boromir. You are correct in the fact that giving a SK the ring is probably not a great plan. lolol ok kitascum. Either way the ring should be kept safe and not given away so whomever has it, just keep it safe. | ||
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On September 25 2011 12:10 OriginalName wrote: Now im scared. + Show Spoiler + No seriosuly. This is fucking terrifying T_T LOLOLOL, at least Rains of Castamere isn't playing. Sorry, reading Game of Thrones right now since kita posted that picture of sean bean as ned stark =P. Meant nothing by it. | ||
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On September 25 2011 12:38 GreYMisT wrote: so is this Song of ice and fire mafia now? Dibs on John Snow lol, you know nothing. What a horrible pick. | ||
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On September 25 2011 12:44 chaoser wrote: lol, you know nothing. What a horrible pick. Also, it's Jon Snow. And also, let's keep spam out, it's my bad for starting it. | ||
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On September 26 2011 08:08 Drazerk wrote: prplhz was double stacked. Also suck it scum I survived! Who's the roleblocker? | ||
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On September 26 2011 08:12 Drazerk wrote: Yeah I was lying to get scum to shoot at me rather than role block me, I got Syllo's motivation and protected both prplhz and yourself and felt me dying would be better than missing out on both protections. I still survived though and I have no idea how. Mafia fucked up, they shouldn't have roleblocked me. Debts will be paid. | ||
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On September 26 2011 08:12 Drazerk wrote: Yeah I was lying to get scum to shoot at me rather than role block me, I got Syllo's motivation and protected both prplhz and yourself and felt me dying would be better than missing out on both protections. I still survived though and I have no idea how. So you're saying there were four KPs to account for? 1 for supersoft, 2 for prplhz, 1 for you? | ||
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On September 26 2011 08:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: chaoser, who did you shoot?? It didn't go through | ||
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On September 26 2011 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: And why kita? He's basically "confirmed town" right? No he's not. iGrok claimed third party and kita didn't say shit about lynching him. He says he tracks me and then accuses me of being third party, saying to lynch me. That's a huge difference in responses, especially since iGrok CLAIMED 3rd Party in thread and kita only THOUGHT I was mafia. | ||
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On September 26 2011 08:30 Palmar wrote: oh wait, the messages are mafia right? lol, unless jcarl is ugluk, oh wai- | ||
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On September 26 2011 09:10 Drazerk wrote: I also took a hit Your looking at - 2 scum KP 1/2 ring seeking third parties possibly a retarded vigilante The strangle shows up day 2. sandroba as Legolas, Prince of Mirkwood, Town Vigilante was strangled! The chest stab was on day 1. Mr. Wiggles as Peregrin Took, Hobbit of the Fellowship, Town Messenger was stabbed through the chest night 1! Drazerk got hit, prplhz got hit (maybe twice, maybe unblockable), and supersoft got shot. So it's either 3 KP or 4 KP. I doubt mafia still has 3 KP since they lost three members. | ||
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On September 26 2011 09:24 Drazerk wrote: Because I was protected more than one target last night and he didn't specify which one took the hit and chaoser is being purposely cryptic. In any normal set up the medic knows their target and if they took a hit or not this is no different. Cute vote by the way. I wasn't shot, I told you. | ||
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On September 26 2011 09:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: What I meant to say, why didn't you say, "I was healing prp, but he still died, that must be a double stack"? Because there are unblockable KPs in play in this game...I would have asked the same question. You need to chill out and stop spamming the thread with one line posts | ||
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Why are we hiding information from town is it really that bad if it falls into the hands of scum. Why do you want to know? What does town gain from knowing my requirements? Nothing. It's not like they can prove what I could say as truth or not. What does mafia gain from knowing my requirements? Nothing, same thing, they can't trust what I say as truth or not. Everyone needs to stop fishing for my abilities and play the game. I killed a ciryandor, I killed Radfield, and now I've been role blocked. That's literally all the real information you need about me. | ||
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On September 26 2011 12:15 OriginalName wrote: Its more of a "was he blocked or couldnt shoot scenario" Why does it matter? I was roleblocked. No one died, as can be seen from favor, from me tonight. | ||
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On September 27 2011 01:11 Drazerk wrote: ##vote: Palmar We're not letting another scum claim third party and troll their way to victory. How does this even make sense...He didn't claim third party and why would mafia so such a thing, much less by someone that pretty much led the iGrok lynch and has almost 0 suspicions on him. | ||
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On September 27 2011 01:53 Drazerk wrote: Filter him... he's been faking gollum since day 1 So you're saying he's been bussing almost every single one of his teammate since day one? He was literally the first one to call out bullshit on iGrok and he mentions DrH as scummy way before anyone else. Look at kita, his actions toward iGrok and me are entirely different. Both of us he thinks (or thought in the case of iGrok) were third party. For iGrok he gave him very limiting restrictions but then wanted to just let him live. Even after iGrok clearly did not follow his guidelines, kitaman voted for me to be lynched first over iGrok. How does that make sense? Finally, I have a question for Drazerk, you say you're a medic and that you got shot but survived and you don't know how. You also protected both me and prplhz even though he died. So you're saying you protected and have some sort of vet/bulletproof power? | ||
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On September 27 2011 04:06 chaoser wrote: Finally, I have a question for Drazerk, you say you're a medic and that you got shot but survived and you don't know how. You also protected both me and prplhz even though he died. So you're saying you protected and have some sort of vet/bulletproof power? Here's something else I don't understand. Even if mafia shot you, your protection would have gone through. You say you talked about being about to know who the roleblocker so mafia wouldn't roleblock you and hit you instead. But you being dead would mean it didn't matter if you knew. So why didn't they roleblock you and also shoot you, making it safer for them to shoot others since there's no protection to be afraid of. Instead, they roleblocked me. Curu, would you ever explain why someone died in PMs if you were asked? (ex. he was double stacked, he was unblockable shot,etc.) | ||
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On September 27 2011 04:45 chaoser wrote: Curu, would you ever explain why someone died in PMs if you were asked? (ex. he was double stacked, he was unblockable shot,etc.) So curu just answered me on Skype and he said no [3:44:00 PM] Chaoser: would you tell someone [3:44:05 PM] Chaoser: that someone got hit twice [3:44:10 PM] Chaoser: instead of an unblockable soht? [3:44:23 PM] Chaoser: i guess the question is, would you ever explain why someone died [3:44:23 PM] Chaoser: in pms [3:44:25 PM] Chaoser: PMs [3:57:08 PM] Charles Suo: no ##Vote: Drazerk | ||
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On September 27 2011 04:45 chaoser wrote: Curu, would you ever explain why someone died in PMs if you were asked? (ex. he was double stacked, he was unblockable shot,etc.) So curu just answered me on Skype and he said no [3:44:00 PM] Chaoser: would you tell someone [3:44:05 PM] Chaoser: that someone got hit twice [3:44:10 PM] Chaoser: instead of an unblockable soht? [3:44:23 PM] Chaoser: i guess the question is, would you ever explain why someone died [3:44:23 PM] Chaoser: in pms [3:44:25 PM] Chaoser: PMs [3:57:08 PM] Charles Suo: no ##Vote: Drazerk On September 26 2011 09:15 Drazerk wrote: Curu just confirmed that prplhz took more than one hit last night. | ||
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On September 26 2011 08:59 Drazerk wrote: prplhz and chaoser at least one took a hit last night but I don't know which. more likely that prplhz was double stacked though | ||
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On September 27 2011 05:31 Palmar wrote: rofl, I guess draz really is a medic. Ok, so here's what we DO know. 1) Drazerk lied about being told by Curu about prplhz being hit twice. 2) There exists a medic that protected twice, meaning he was motivated. [4:28:49 PM] Charles Suo: no if he was medic i did not tell him that [4:28:58 PM] Charles Suo: if prplhz was hit i would have told him prplhz was hit | ||
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Waiting for him to explain it. Will be keeping my vote on him till that's answered. | ||
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Drazerk is a really weird case and I'm not sure he's scum (based largely on meta). In every game I've played with him, he's been kind of an idiot (no offense), doing and saying all sorts of silly nonsensical things. And every time, the stupid shit he does has been done with good intentions but has been horribly short-sighted and poorly thought through. Too bad town's not going to let this one fly since they're all a bunch of sheep. Do you all realize that Scum have decided all 3 lynches so far, including iGrok? Remember Erandorr? He was an idiot that lied about editing his post – before you get all your pitch-forks out, use your heads for a second. Which is why I'm waiting on him to respond. I'm still up for lynching kitaman27 | ||
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On September 27 2011 10:34 heist wrote: Sorry I've been busy. As far as I'm concerned, pushing to lynch iGrok is a null tell. I strongly recommend looking more closely at the people who voted for Jackal day 2. Greymist chaoser - no mafia vibe Drazerk -no mafia vibe raynpelikoneet jcarlsoniv - no mafia vibe TranceStorm OriginalName kitaman - no mafia vibe My suspicions are largely still on ON but at this point, it's mainly because he's the only vet on the list that I have suspicions for. He should be playing better as town. I'm going to be honest, I'm not really trusting my instincts at this point. *On Drazerk: Curu told him prplhz was hit. Drazerk knows he protected him. I think he inferred it was a stacked hit rather than unblockable. Yeah, just got back from work and I was thinking that. ##vote kitaman confirmed medic I guess | ||
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kitaman on iGrok: iGrok claims third party. Kitaman says "Don't kill him, give him strict instructions and if he doesn't follow them, lynch him." iGrok proceeds to not follow said instructions. kitaman never gets on his case and votes for me first and only changes later to iGrok. kitaman on chaoser: I claim I killed a mafia and have not only the breadcrumbs to back it up but also no one counterclaims. I never claim third party. "His powers don't make sense as a townie, he's third party, lynch him!" What do you think about the discrepancies between these two reactions? Also, kitaman says "Town benefits by extending the game as long as possible. The fact is, removing his kp extends the game, gives our information roles an extra opportunity to get off a check, and avoids a near game ending mislynch if we don't agree on a mafia target." Firstly, my KP has already been removed from the game; as long as mafia has roleblock, they can use it on me. If I really was third party, which apparently only kitaman and not the mafia team can see (Radfield already said to town he thought I was 3rd party btw), you'd think mafia team would LOVE for me to use my KP to weed out town since at this point mafia are on the backfoot (3 dead mafia in 4 days) and I would obviously shoot townies. Secondly, no one (aside from me) knows whether I HAVE KP or not. I never said I was a compulsive vigi and it can be seen in supersoft's flip that roles with restrictive KPs exist. So kitaman's argument about "extending the game" falls flat on its face. Finally, kitaman says this: "just look at his response to the igrok claim on day two, where he clearly is promoting a third party agenda by arguing that it is a waste to lynch Serial Killers." If I actually was a serial killer, why would I want to keep another SK alive? We obviously can't win together since SKs need to be the lat man standing to win (This is generally how it's always worked on TL Mafia.) Unless we were a team, which we aren't since iGrok flipped mafia, SK would never push for a "keep SKs alive!" platform for OTHER SKs. Faulty logic will serve as your downfall kitaman. I should have gotten you lynched or shot in XXXIX. I'll be sure to do it this game. I repay all my debts. | ||
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Oh its a discrepancy alright, but I still can't reconcile his 'tracking' ability with that of a mafia player. His proclaimed "tracking ability" is the ability to apparently see if someone killed that night but not who they shot. I have never seen this type of ability before in TL Mafia and when looked at from the perspective of the rest of the dead blue roles in this game (Two jacks, one of which could day vigi, a two-shot vigi that could get a shot returned to him if he killed a mafia, and a vigi that could technically shoot once every night cycle) his power seems a little underwhelming and makes no sense no? Here's what I think happened. 1) Obviously the mafia team thinks I'm third party as per Radfield's quotes 2) The mafia team saw that a kill had happened that wasn't their own (Radfield is dead) and Kitaman goes out on a limb and asked me if I had killed that night since they think I'm SK and obviously an SK would want to kill every night. 3) He claims he tracked me but doesn't say to who. That last point is the sticker. If you think my role powers don't make sense for a blue then clearly a gimped tracker in a game full of imba powers makes no sense. | ||
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On September 27 2011 14:31 TranceStorm wrote: @chaoser Both roles make no sense at all to me. But your point 2 would mean that the mafia team would have taken a very very bold gamble. I suppose that kitaman hasn't revealed all of his abilities and is intentionally being mum about them (as you are at times). I'd rather vote for Cyber_Cheese who committed the same fallacy that kitaman did, but without the 'tracker' claim. The iGrok fake Third Party claim when he only had 3 vote on him was a bold gamble. This team of mafia is full of vets if you think about it. Radfield, and DrH make up two very very good vet players. Just by looking at their interactions with each other in thread and one can see that they interact every much, they interact very naturally, and they are all at each other's throats, both bussing and also supporting different members at the same time. It's safe to say that they're all playing a crazy bold game of mafia. | ||
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On September 27 2011 21:26 kitaman27 wrote: Nope, on day three I wanted you both lynched. Quit trying to argue how I favaored one over the another. Let's actually look at Day 3 shall we? On September 22 2011 07:27 kitaman27 wrote: iGrok here are your conditions, if you fail to follow them, we instantly lynch you: 1) You will never receive the ring. Don't bother asking for it again. You becoming bulletproof is of little interest to town. 2) You shoot tonight at the target we provide you. You're not holding on to your kp until late game where you can decide to use it on whichever faction benefits you most. 3) You're not allowed to completely disappear for the remainder of the game. You don't get a free pass. You have to continue to give us your scum reads. Between Palmar and Jackal, I think Jackal is probably the better choice. He just lacks the aggressiveness and the confidence that I'm used to seeing from him. He played a similar style back in PTP (1 or 2?) where he never really accused anyone and maintained a low profile as the serial killer. ##Vote Jackal58 You give strict retrictions to iGrok on the previous day. And then say that iGrok will be the day 3 lynch, regardless. On September 22 2011 12:12 kitaman27 wrote: If that's the case, IGrok is our day three lynch (assuming he survives the night). Also, later on you say: Out of the lurkers, heist and ON worry me the most, because the are so conservative in pushing their opinions. I might make a better case on one of them tomorrow if I'm still alive. and then you never do. Not once since then have you tried to make a case on ON or heist. You don't even consider that option, instead you're going to go for a "third party". After the third day flip you post at about exactly the same time as I do: On September 23 2011 08:34 chaoser wrote: iGrok, did you kill anyone last night? On September 23 2011 08:35 kitaman27 wrote: iGrok, who was your shot last night? You say nothing about tracking me till 6 hours later, that's 7 hours since the flip: On September 23 2011 22:17 kitaman27 wrote: sup chaoser, I saw you return to your house with blood on your hands. Which kill are you claiming? Sincerely, Your number one stalker. I later question you as to why you posted that so late and you respond with: On September 24 2011 00:50 kitaman27 wrote: Because I wanted to see your agenda for day three? Are you saying I didn't watch you kill someone? :/ And yet between the flip and you saying you tracked me 6 hours later, not once did you ask me what my opinions are of people, what I thought of the situation of town, or who I thought were mafia. If you really "wanted to see my agenda" you would have done as such instead of waiting around posting nothing at me, instead of asking questions to greymist and ciryandor. Finally, you post: On September 23 2011 23:20 kitaman27 wrote: Faking taking a hit on day one is exactly what he did in the previous game with the dt claim. ##vote chaoser gogo Apparently completely forgetting about iGrok, ON, or heist, and is intent apparently to lynch the guy that just claimed he shot radfield with no counterclaim. You don't even talk about being ok with changing your vote to iGrok in the thread, instead you just vote in the vote thread. Yeah, ok, you're not scum lol. | ||
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You don't even talk about being ok with changing your vote to iGrok in the thread, instead you just vote in the vote thread. Actually, I want to correct myself. You actually do mention iGrok once in this post: On September 24 2011 02:19 kitaman27 wrote: Look, we both agree iGrok can't be allowed to live to engame. If he gets lynched today, then that's fine by me. If there is a chance he is scum, not survivor, it might even be a better choice to kill him first. However, there is no doubt in my mind that chaoser is not town. On day one he took a hit. On day two, he got caught red handed killing someone. On day three, he comes up with an extremely convienent role that explains both the hit and the killing. The fact that you believe there is a town aligned bulletproof compulsive vig just blows my mid. chaoser is probably going to shoot me tonight. The only "conditions" his shots have is that the person has to be a threat to him. He can't be allowed to laugh his merry way to victory as a "Boromir", when it is beyond obvious that he is not. But you lean so heavily on my not being town, clearly with the intent on trying to get me lynch even though iGrok CLAIMED he wasn't town in game AND I had claimed I shot Radfield. On September 24 2011 04:50 kitaman27 wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote iGrok Your change to iGrok comes 2 hours later, after 6 votes and the town atmosphere clearly being in favor of lynching iGrok. That by itself doesn't mean much but when taken in conjunction with everything else that you did that day, I can safely say that you did NOT, if you could have, wanted iGrok lynched, instead wanting me lynched over him. Scum. | ||
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Are you honestly still arguing that I'm lying about my tracking claim? I SAW YOU KILL SOMEONE. Yes, I didn't immediately claim, but you can't continue to deny the fact that I tracked you. You already admitted it. You and Palmar are really going all out to push me. 3rd party sticking together? :p [/quote] At first I figured yes you did track me but as I thought about it I realized the claim made no sense because it was basically a gimped tracker. When Day 4 flipped and I read over the thread I realized that Radfield at that point was already saying in thread that I was third party. It a very very small jump from Radfield thinking I'm SK to you taking a risk and saying you tracked me to a kill but have no idea who I killed, trying to trap me on the prp/radfield kill difference. In XXXIX you correctly called me out as Vet day 1 on your QT as mafia, I don't put it past you to do something like this. The fact that things don't add up and that you're now not even denying you went after me more than after iGrok shows that you've got nothing. Bye Bye. | ||
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At first I figured yes you did track me but as I thought about it I realized the claim made no sense because it was basically a gimped tracker. When Day 4 flipped and I read over the thread I realized that Radfield at that point was already saying in thread that I was third party. It a very very small jump from Radfield thinking I'm SK to you taking a risk and saying you tracked me to a kill but have no idea who I killed, trying to trap me on the prp/radfield kill difference. In XXXIX you correctly called me out as Vet day 1 on your QT as mafia, I don't put it past you to do something like this which is try to call me out as SK and get me lynched You're a good mafia player and it shows. Too bad this time I'm still alive and I'm coming for you. Things haven't been going well for me recently but I've seen through your scumminess and you're going down. Debts are always repaid. The fact that things don't add up and that you're now not even denying you went after me more than after iGrok shows that you've got nothing. Bye Bye.[/QUOTE] Added in quantifying statements in bold because I had to go to the bathroom and didn't post all that I meant to say. | ||
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On September 28 2011 00:45 kitaman27 wrote: There were 20+ players in the game. Its unreasonable to think I would just risk a tracker claim and hope I was right. If the 1/20+ odds don't go my way, then I'm lynched for lying. The fact is, I am a tracker and I wasn't lying. As for being a mafia tracker, I don't recall ever playing in a game where scum could track people. Even it its possible, 99% of the time, the tracker is town aligned. Don't overthink this. Also, isn't it convenient that nobody else is committing one way or another until they see where the safe lynch is? People like draz have completely disappeared. I fake claimed as DT in a game where a watcher, a DT, a tracker, and another DT were either flipped from death or accounted for by claiming in the thread and I ended up winning the game as mafia without being lynched. Fake claiming is not really that big a risk. At the least, as iGrok showed, your teammates can bus you if needed. This risk is even less in this game especially since it is a closed setup game where we don't know the roles and also the number of roles that exist. This makes it's very very possible to fake claim and get away with it. Of course I'm not trying to convince you that you fake claimed lol, I'm trying to convince others. Your play makes no sense for someone who is a proclaimed tracker, not to mention the fact that you were townie in two previous other games and mafia thought it prudent to kill you off day 1. Now that you've claimed tracker, mafia doesn't kill you? They don't even roleblock you. You're a good player with a blue information role and instead they shoot supersoft? Someone that they didn't know was blue over someone that they knew was blue? That doesn't seem right at all. | ||
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On September 28 2011 00:58 Drazerk wrote: medics are clearly told that they protected their target from a hit the previous night. If it was unblockable I wouldn't of gotten that message. It is as simple as that. also I don't think mafia are stupid enough to hit SS and I can probably guess that they hit me unless a vigilante wants to own up to it. I assume SS hit you. | ||
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And the fact that you know it was a double hit? I didn't ask how did you find out that prp was double hit Clearly you DID ask it... | ||
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On September 28 2011 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mafia claiming has been senseless througout the game already. How would you explain the fact that Drazerk protected prplhz, was not RB, and still there was a mafia hit on prp? One simple way that might be possible is because they wanted to use their roleblock for me. I was more of a THREAT. They thought I was going to shoot kitaman last night and that would have meant they would be down to 1 KP tonight for sure. So they roleblocked me. Better to protect one of their own than to make sure they 100% kill someone. They then shoot prp and supersoft, knowing that gollum would obviously be going for frodo. They were hoping that they, if there was a protect like drazerk said there would be, would be the later shot when compared to gollum. That way they would get the ring. Obviously gollum was better at timing and got the later shot, getting the ring. | ||
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On September 28 2011 01:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Of course they did, as you told them before nightkills. Just because a person says something doesn't mean they'd do it. It's part of WIFOM and that's how medics get more utility. | ||
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And not roleblocking me and letting me potentially kill kitaman/one of their member isn't a gamble? Everything in this game is a gamble. Look at all the stuff mafia has done so far. It's all been gambles. iGrok claiming third party off 3 votes is a HUGE gamble. | ||
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On September 28 2011 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: That one i'd rather call a stupid gamble. Which one is a stupid gamble? Please post more clearly and not just in one liners. I have a hard time understanding/following your thoughts | ||
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On September 28 2011 01:57 GreYMisT wrote: How can you seriously expect us to listen to you if you post like this? If I came in here and posted this stuff I can guarantee you would be jumping all over it. To be truthful, I'm currently also really annoyed by the rest of town for being, for a lack of a better word, stupid. That fact that people are being non-commital about a vote, especially with such a strong case on Kitaman's wack ass claim as well as when he posted his tracking results followed by a complete backstep on several things he said he would do but then never did. | ||
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On September 28 2011 02:07 GreYMisT wrote: One interesting thing I have found is that, during the iGrok lynch Kitaman came out and said he saw chaoser kill someone, and clearly indicated that he did not believe his claim. However, he supported the iGrok lynch over chaoser that day. With that kind of information and belief, you would think that you would have pushed for chaoser to die a little more. If it is true that iGrok was planned by scum to die, this line of actions would make sense for kitaman. ![[image loading]](http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkykgjZ89r1qis07wo1_500.jpg) Did you not read my post on kitaman at all? He doen't "lynch igrok over me", he "votes with the rest of town after pushing unsuccessfully for my lynch." And also that day I FUCKING SHOT A MAFIA! The plan for mafia wasn't to buss iGrok no matter what, it was to buy as many days as possible and then buss him when needed. The mood in thread yesterday was "lynch iGrok" so they didn't have a chance to buy one more day with it. | ||
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On September 28 2011 02:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Becouse nearly everyone was sure he was 3rd party, and as you know, mafia likes to kill 3rd parties. Mafia doesn't like to kill 3rd parties...they would rather town dealt with third parties and then they can save their kills for blue roles and strong town players...You should have played in the simple mafia game before playing this closed setup game... | ||
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On September 28 2011 02:30 kitaman27 wrote: I like how chaoser was perfectly fine with my tracker claim when I caught him red handed, but now that he needs a lynch to push, he completely flips. If I had to choose one person, draz seems the most likely. I just can't understand why a town medic would protect igrok night one. He was being completely useless and there was a 0% chance of him being hit. What kind of medic publicly role claims in the thread revealing their role, in order to attempt to confirm the claim of a third party? In addition, he said he claimed because he was obviously going to be hit at night. I just don't see how this makes sense. Palmar could very well be a scum gollum. Every game I've ever seen him play as scum, he always takes the pro-town stance and busses his scumbuddies at will. The remaining mafia are likely located in the group of lurkers, GGQ, ON, Archon_Toilet, Cheese, heist. With DrH, Radfield, and iGrok already flipping, there has to be at least a couple newer players. I'm not confidant enough to be willing to push any of them, so close to the lynch though. The last thing we need is another last minute swap like on day one and two. I wasn't fine with your tracker claim, it fucking outted my blue role. I went along with it because I didn't want to lie to town. I was red handed for FUCKING KILLING A MAFIA? That's something that's suspicious now? I didn't know HELPING TOWN WIN WAS SUSPICIOUS. | ||
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On September 28 2011 02:33 jcarlsoniv wrote: I assume he meant mafia doesn't want to waste KP on 3rd part, but they're more than happy to push a lynch on 3rd party cuz, yah know, it's not one of their own. Yes, this is correct | ||
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On September 28 2011 02:37 kitaman27 wrote: Swapping a lynch from myself to another town doesn't help us one bit. With 4-5 kp at night, we can't afford to mislynch, which is why I'm learning towards going after the sure thing. I already explained earlier that draz would probably be the person I would feel best about going after. He would probably be the only person I would consider at this point, unless something drastic happens over the next few hours. There's not 4-5 KP at night. There's two for mafia, 1 if we lynch you and possibly one KP for me. That's a total of 2-3 for tonight. Supersoft obviously shot someone and his KP was involved last night but didn't kill anyone (possibly at Drazerk since he said he got shot and didn't die). I don't know if he's mafia or not at this point but I DO know that you are 100% mafia. | ||
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On September 28 2011 02:45 Palmar wrote: btw @rayn, because it pains me to see you fail so hard after having some decent posts: Drazerk is basically modconfirmed medic. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11544417 <-- read this post and the next 5 after it. Now stop it, let's kill kita. Thank you... | ||
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Basically Curu confirmed that 1) the medic protected two people 2) the medic was informed later that one of the people he protected was hit. So unless some other double protecting medic wants to come out, Drazerk is the medic and since he protected someone I assume his claim is true (that he didn't know who he protected at first and then he did later) You can't fake claim that shit unless it was real lol | ||
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On September 28 2011 02:48 kitaman27 wrote: Just because he might be a medic, doesn't mean he is town aligned. You were on my scum team for both WaW2 and Personality mafia and both games we had a scum medic on our team. I'm suspicious why you would purposely overlook this fact. It's not about the him being medic part, it's about the "he protected someone and didn't get to know about it till later." It matches perfectly with an unfakeable claim from drazerk | ||
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On September 28 2011 02:50 kitaman27 wrote: Draz also claimed a hit, so if he is telling the truth, there must be at least 1 other protective role. With the jailer that already flipped, does it really make sense for town to have 3 medics? I think not. There was a 2 KP jack, a 2 KP vigi, a vigi that can continually shoot that have flipped already. You think that would make sense for town to have? I think not. | ||
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On September 28 2011 02:53 chaoser wrote: There was a 2 KP jack, a 2 KP vigi, a vigi that can continually shoot that have flipped already. You think that would make sense for town to have? I think not. But oh wait... | ||
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On September 28 2011 03:05 jcarlsoniv wrote: Quoting myself. Really would like to know someone else's thoughts on this. A vast majority have been trolling but the few that he writes that are pertinent to the game have been gems. Go look at Ace's games. His posts can be characterized as trolling since he spends half of them being dismissive and a condescending douche =P. And yet he is widely regarded as the best player in the game. I'd rather have a lot of trolling and some beautiful posts than continued shittastic posting. I am willing to look at Palmer tomorrow but for now I am 100% sure kita is mafia. | ||
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On September 28 2011 03:16 kitaman27 wrote: And what happens when I'm not? Oh wait, absolutely nothing, because you force the town to be under even more pressure to search for scum. Can't lynch the serial killer it that's the case. What if I'm blue. Same thing happens. What you just wrote isn't a defense, it's something that applies to anyone that is town getting lynched. Good job saying absolutely nothing with a fear tactic scum. | ||
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On September 28 2011 04:39 Pyo wrote: I liked day 1 and day 2 Palmar better than the "usual" Palmar who has returned for day 4. Palmar, you did not get iGrok lynched. GGQ had more to do with getting Palmar lynched than you did. Stop saying that. Additionally, iGrok was hardcore bussed starting at least before day 2. One thing I've learned thanks to Curu in the last mafia game is that when someone is saying something stupid or wrong, over and over again despite being told otherwise multiple times, they're scum. So stop saying that you are confirmed town; you're not. In fact, how about this? Let's go ahead and confirm your alignment. ##vote: Palmar PS... I haven't forgotten about ON. Pyo, what do you think about kita? | ||
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On September 28 2011 05:37 GreYMisT wrote: Chaoser, you mentioned earlier when you role-claimed that you can shoot when certain requirements are met. care to devulge those now that it is pretty much between you and kit in my eyes? No, I don't. Would it help you make a decision? Cause I don't see how my telling you what my requirements are is going to help. There is a chance people are able to make me unable to do my requirement and so I can't shoot mafia anymore. That is the most I am willing to say. | ||
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On September 28 2011 05:41 TranceStorm wrote: I really really want to believe that kitaman is mafia, but this is the stumbling block for me. I find it super suspicious that the one information role who has scum-hunting abilities was not even touched by the mafia who decided to hit an assortment of other players instead. But at the same time, kitaman did call out chaoser correctly, and I don't think a tracker would be useful at all in the hands of mafia. Chaoser makes some arguments about how kitaman made a massive gamble and what not, but that's got a really really low chance of success (must less than even iGrok's gamble) and I don't think the mafia would take that risk. On the basis of his role itself, I think kitaman is not mafia. I claimed DT as mafia in a game where a tracker, a watcher, and two other DTs were out in the open. Many people sheeped me into letting the mafia win. Let's not have that happen again. | ||
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On September 28 2011 05:45 chaoser wrote: I claimed DT as mafia in a game where a tracker, a watcher, and two other DTs were out in the open. Many people sheeped me into letting the mafia win. Let's not have that happen again. Not to mention his actions as his role doesn't make sense: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699¤tpage=104#2075 | ||
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On September 28 2011 05:49 TranceStorm wrote: Yeah but kitaman essentially confirmed his powers as tracker - not like in your previous instances. When he called you out, only 3 people had been killed that night (not including modkills). That means that he only had a 3/20ish chance of picking out the right person if he was just guessing. Not likely in my opinion. Its far more likely that he's not lying about his abilities. Radfield, who was mafia, already thought I was a third party. Him announcing it so late is also due to the fact that he was deciding on whether he wanted to do it or not. He could have claimed he tracked me early right after the flip. He waited 7 hours until he did it and when asked why he said "he wanted to see what I was going to do" except he never asks me any questions before that, never talks to me before that. It make no sense. | ||
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On September 28 2011 05:56 Drazerk wrote: But yeah I agree it's weird he has been able to survive this long ( Considering we have been role blocked / shot at each night since announcing our blueness ) Drazerk, you say all this and yet you're still voting for palmer. Are you willing to change your vote to kitaman? | ||
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On September 28 2011 06:15 TranceStorm wrote: Yeah but waiting for 7 hours doesn't change the fact that there is still only a 3/20 chance of being correct. And if he were mafia, it would be even lower because he would have had to identify the vig/3rd party. Regardless of his suspicious actions, the fact that he made that correct call is so unlikely if he were mafia. You really think a gimped tracker role would be in a game where gandalf can basically read your pm? Where Legolas can get three KP? Where Tom can technically infinite KP? Those are some of the flips btw. It still makes no sense that he wanted to lynch me over iGrok, especially since I killed Radfield. How do you even explain that? Basically you're saying, yeah he's shady but he blue claimed and got my kill right. It still doesn't explain the reasoning for why he waited 7 hours. | ||
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On September 28 2011 06:15 TranceStorm wrote: Yeah but waiting for 7 hours doesn't change the fact that there is still only a 3/20 chance of being correct. And if he were mafia, it would be even lower because he would have had to identify the vig/3rd party. Regardless of his suspicious actions, the fact that he made that correct call is so unlikely if he were mafia. Who are you willing to lynch over kitaman then? I'm willing also to lynch ON. I just feel strongest about kitaman being scum | ||
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On September 28 2011 06:27 Pyo wrote: If Kitman is scum, then he somehow knew that you were the one responsible for radfield, which makes you scum. Alternatively, kitman is telling the truth, which means you're telling the truth which makes him town and you 3rd party or town. Either way, I don't see a scenario where we should lynch kitaman before you. However given the fact that Palmar's been a scummy troll, ON has all but disappeared and GGQ also has all but disappeared, I'd say there were 3 lynch targets better than either of you. This town has been one big huge sheepfest, and it needs to stop. Ok so you're saying...the only way kita is scum... is if i'm scum...and I shot radfield? You do realize people don't have to play with perfect information right? | ||
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On September 28 2011 06:28 kitaman27 wrote: Arguing with a serial killer is pointless. I even breadcrumbed my suspicion of him, right before the day post. It's crazy to think I didn't track him. A few games back when I was watcher, I sat on my red check an entire day before claiming. Just because I didn't instantly claim, doesn't mean the claim is fake. Quote the game and post please | ||
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On September 28 2011 06:29 kitaman27 wrote: Are you honestly trying to argue that a nerfed tracker is more likely than a bulletproof compuslive vigilante..... I'm saying that your claim means jack shit as does mine. But at least my actions have been consistent and I killed a mafia. On the other hand your actions have been all over the place. All of a sudden you are no longer suspicious of heist and ON, even though you said you would right up something for them. You push for my lynch over iGrok's that day and only after town pushed for iGrok's lynch did you move over. That was about 11 hours after the flip btw. | ||
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On September 28 2011 06:37 kitaman27 wrote: He is lying. He has no requirements. Do you think its really a coincidence he won't ever reveal them? Is it really a coincidence that he just happened to get a bulletproof role and survive the shot? It is really a coincidence that he just happened to have a kp when he got tracked? The claim was far too convenient. Fine, even if he has requirements, do you really think there is a bulletproof player in the game who can shoot? It's just so unreasonable. Yes, other than his role he has done everything that makes him seem skish. On day two, he 100% supports igrok after his third party claim. He makes a specific reference to the assassin game, talking about how its always a waste to lynch third party. He was keeping around igrok because it meant that iGrok would always get lynched before him. Shooting radfield is 100% in line with a sk agenda. Not only does it give him town cred as third party, it also removes the player that is most capable of leading a lynch against him. You're kidding me lol. Why would I want iGrok around if he's an SK? SK's can't win with other SKs. Now you're spinning Radfield, a mafia, as SK agenda when it's a TOWN AGENDA to kill scum. | ||
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On September 28 2011 07:06 Pyo wrote: No what I'm saying is that you weren't really responsible for radfield... Notice how our vigi died that same night? ...You're shitting me lol. I breadcrumbed my "sword of steel and iron" at the start of Day 2. The only other people that could have done have these abilities: Active Ability [Twoshot]Mirked by Mirkwood: Two times during the game during the night phase, you may destroy your enemies with your elite bow skills. If your target is already dead before you reach them, your shot will be refunded. and [Oneshot]Andúril: One time during the game, you may smite down your enemies with the Sword That Was Broken. If your target is already dead before you reach them, your oneshot will be refunded. Simply PM me the name of your target during the night phase if you wish to use your ability during night, or type ##Cleave [name] in the thread if you wish to use your ability during the day. As you can see Aragorn already used his one hit on iGrok. And Legolas kills with bows. So yeah, I'm the only one that could have killed Radfield. | ||
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"I don't trust you" "I checked you and you didn't do an action" "ugh, now I trust you, you guys want to do a last minute switch?" | ||
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[6:52:30 PM] Charles Suo: you can paraphrase but no you cant give out the link or the whole QT Post parts of the QT and I'll vote ON. Else it's stays on you | ||
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[6:53:51 PM] Charles Suo: no, no copy paste [6:53:53 PM] Charles Suo: only paraphrase  I still want the time stamps | ||
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On September 28 2011 08:00 Drazerk wrote: No idea but every time I've played scum on TL we choose who sends out the kills Half the time it's random, half the time it's picked, I dunno. I need to go back to reread the red flips | ||
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On September 28 2011 08:08 Palmar wrote: of course he's gonna. btw, if I die, you must lynch chaoser immediately. If you don't, you'll lose the game. LOL what a lie. you killed two good townies for nothing. | ||
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On September 28 2011 08:09 kitaman27 wrote: lol has the third party faction just achieved victory or something? o.O No, Palmer can only win if he survives the night. Then he's out of the game. | ||
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On September 28 2011 08:10 Palmar wrote: so what! But it's still true. In fact, mafia, if you roleblock this guy I'll kill a townie and keep killing townies, cause I'm your friend. If you don't he'll have to be lynched if I die. A horrible lie, he can't do anything after the end of tonight cause he'll be out of the game | ||
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On September 28 2011 08:12 kitaman27 wrote: What extra power did you get for obtaining the ring? You only get the power if you put it on and you can only put it on the night after you get it so he can only put it on tonight. So he has no extra powers till the end of this night. | ||
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On September 28 2011 08:17 GreYMisT wrote: This. We were told that you only learn the funcions of the ring when you obtain it. Are you claiming to have had the ring at some point? because prp has had it all game until palmar got it. I don't know what powers the ring gives but I do know it's not protective powers since prplhz put it on last night and still died. I asked Curu how the ring works in terms of mechanics. He told me you can only put it on the night after you receive it. Only after you put the ring on do you get its powers. | ||
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On September 28 2011 08:23 kitaman27 wrote: chaoser, what happens when you obtain the ring for killing Palmar? Nothing, I have to wait a day/night cycle and then I leave the game. Win Con is to just have an survive a day/night cycle with the ring. This is the same for palmer. | ||
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On September 28 2011 08:24 Palmar wrote: suffice to say, you should lynch him after that. lol, why? i've killed a mafia and I'm about to kill a shitty third party that killed two blue roles. | ||
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On September 28 2011 08:25 kitaman27 wrote: chaoser, mind sharing your real claim and ability? I got two active abilities: 1) I kill someone 2) I check a votelist to see if anyone in it has the ring I also have the passive ability of being bulletproof | ||
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Safe claim is obviously Boromir, Lord of Gondor. For my real name lets just say it rhythms with sneak. | ||
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On September 28 2011 08:30 Palmar wrote: if you're bulletproof I'll murder curu, because I have the same abilities, but I'm not bulletproof. also, you're probably not bulletproof. You got 2 KP, I only have the one. I actually did get shot day one and I didn't die so you can take that for what you want. | ||
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On September 28 2011 08:31 kitaman27 wrote: What doesn't make sense, is why would you claim right now if you knew chaoser would just shoot you? I already knew he was gollum since Night 3. I didn't want him lynched because then ring would be randomly given away and the pressure was on me. I wanted to just kill him at night. | ||
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On September 28 2011 08:36 Drazerk wrote: Yes but I can stop the neutral party from killing you can't I palmar? Mafia huh | ||
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On September 28 2011 08:48 kitaman27 wrote: My bad. How was I supposed to know you hit Radfield and not one of the other targets  You should have pushed Palmar during the day, rather than making up some nonsense about how I wasn't really a tracker and randomly guessed your role. If i got palmer lynched what happens to me the next day -_- You would have still been on my ass about "throwing other 3rd party in front to get lynched". | ||
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On September 28 2011 08:33 Drazerk wrote: I don't have 2 kp btw, I lied about that. >.>[/QUOTE] He's probably the role blocker | ||
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On September 29 2011 02:08 Pyo wrote: coming up with a contrived way to clear yourself... am I the only one who thinks this is really scummy? ON flipping town makes me really hesitant to push anyone (especially given that it is night still), but it really should be pointed out that "always being on the right side of a lynch" means you know something that the rest of town didn't... I still haven't wrapped my head around all the chaoser/palmar bullshit. The thing that really bothers me about it is that if I were to pick 2 people at the start of the game who would have absolutely no trepidation with fake claiming a 3rd party, it would be those two. Neither of their claims make any sense nor does the fact that they're both still alive. Hopefully at least one of them dies tonight to make things simpler... or better yet if I die tonight then I don't have to think about it – either way, I'm going to wait till the day post before I really try wade through the fake claiming/sheeping/bull shitting that's been going on. This is actually what Cyber was trying to do. Also, cyber posted this gem over night: On September 28 2011 22:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I hate to ruin it, but Palmar and Chaoser claim to need the ring a full day/night cycle before disappearing. If Chaoser is killing Palmar tonight, what stops us from lynching him tomorrow? How exactly is the game 'over'? Wants to lynch a third party over actually looking for mafia when, even If we had lied about our wincons, it would have been figured out by waiting a single cycle if palmer died and I didn't. He also never actually gets on anyone as scummy and has been cruising through this game so far. | ||
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On September 29 2011 11:21 kitaman27 wrote: I've been roleblocked. So chaoser, are you saying obtaining the ring made you town, rather than making it so you win the game tonight? Also, draz, can you confirm that you protected chaoser? And if so, why are you protecting bulletproof third party? I didn't get the ring, didn't you read the day post? gollum won and is out of the game. Draz is also correct in assuming I lied about my bulletproof powers. I wasn't actually bulletproof, just for day 1 | ||
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Theon Greyjoy, the Kraken's heir, previously the SK Treasure Hunter now the Vanilla Townie I was going to write an epic win post too... | ||
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On September 29 2011 11:30 kitaman27 wrote: lol so you are saying that your alignment changed from evil to town for not meeting your win condition? I was rather looking forward to seeing you lose. This is the thanks I get for not only helping town kill a mafia but also trying to kill the other third party... | ||
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On September 29 2011 11:41 Cyber_Cheese wrote: No, I was just pointing out some inconsistencies in your collective logics, that was my reasoning behind not believing you. Suddenly you were a game of thrones character as a SK, turned into a vanilla townie because Palmar left? Somehow that doesn't make believing you any easier, but whatever. Notice all the Song of Ice and Fire breadcrumbs all over I've been posting? Yeah lol. I mention Kraken on Day 3, I talk about how Ned Stark was a stern but fair man. I mention salt and iron a whole bunch. Obviously there's also all the Lannister lines I dropped. That was for if I needed to claim Jaime Lannister so I could surprise people with my win con post but sadly you mafia roleblocked me and I couldn't win. Now you get to die to town. Also, the ring takes away the power of the holder to shoot people so I know it was mafia that shot me. They probably thought I'd kill Palmer and then they can kill me to get the ring. | ||
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On September 30 2011 01:06 Drazerk wrote: well this is an active town... Seriously...where is everyone? | ||
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On September 21 2011 05:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote: It's in the mafia's best interest to lure people away from discussions about scum, and on to things like lore and speculation on mechanics, and if they can speculate on mechanics and come up with a plan that may make them stronger at the same time all the better. With this in mind, I would like to revisit the possibility that the mafia atually did propose a plan to take control of the ring. Now assuming you were the mafia, who would you assign to propose the pro-scum plan that may or may not go through? In the words of MrWiggles (notably deceased): Now, all this person really needs is a few quiet days while people slowly forget what he did day 1 if things go bad, so they *could* try to lurk until it all blew over. With that in mind, lets take a second look at TranceStorm's plan to confirm townies- This seemingly bad town plan has a ton of flaws. -Townies might not be able to further pass the ring, and therefore not safely claim after the ring was given to them. The ring is now stuck on someone who can't move it, when the previous towns person could have moved the ring if he sensed danger. -The difficulty of finding a new townie who the ring should be passed to. With every pass, the chance of the recipient being a scumbag increases. Self explanatory -Bad payoffs. A 'confirmed' townie won't be able to accomplish much. -The chance of scum lying to gain whatever town cred exsists. This admittedly could potentially force a counter claim, and get a scum lynched for one townie, but the chance of scum actually trying it is low. -The assumption seems horribly scummy, it helps pave the way for scum to confirm themselves. It also seems to rely on a town aligned role with the power to search for the ring, just in case the scum player decided not to even try to pass it. -The plan overall balances a low payoff with a rather low reward. After the plan is dismissed, Trance proceeds to act wishy-washy and brings up a case on anyone he believes might legitimately form a bandwagon, before deciding to join a pre-exsisting one. I don't have much to say about this part because I don't understand why all three major wagons were town, but I believe mafia have their reasons to want to flip both WBG and prphlz, and so they bandwagoned onto a convenient easy target in Errandor. For the sake of this point, I advise you read through his filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699&user=27938 What I do know, is that DocH (deceased) was willing to oversee his plan rather quickly- If I'm not mistaken, that was among the most dismissive statements DocH said while he was alive. At the same time DocH was gaining town cred by helping to dismiss the plan after townies already had (Yet another benefit.) TranceStorm is Scum He's been tunneling TS all game and yet he votes Palmer twice (Day 2 and 4) (a useless vote since he was never in danger of being lynched, why not just put your useless vote on TS then?), and for day 3 voted ON. He only voted TS day one. Even now he talks about how he thinks TS is scum but his vote never gets to rest there. If you're so convinced TS is scum why are all your votes meaningless (voting for non-majority people that aren't TS)? SCUMMMMM | ||
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On September 30 2011 01:30 Drazerk wrote: Quick question - Who got role blocked? Kita did | ||
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On September 30 2011 01:54 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Because Palmar was scummier obviously I swapped to tunneling Palmar, my vote was on him day 3 up until near the end of it. Every vote on a non-majority person is useless? So we should all have only one person with the votes on them at the end of the day? lol and yet you keep going back to TS, this was last night btw. I'm surprised that you say Palmer was "scummier" when you've been talking about TS, made the biggest case AGAINST TS, and continue to talk about TS as scum since day 1. 1) TranceStorm is the only person to have participated in all of them. 2) The mafia doesn't seem to be targeting the people who were in on the lynches. Posted last night. On September 29 2011 01:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Oh I overlooked Drazerk and Kitaman27 being on all of them too... Both Pyo and I haven't been on any, and if we disclude the third which most of the town was on, GGQ joins us. Also posts this bullshit "I wasn't in any of them, I'm not scum." Only scum would feel the need to do this. Also you imply that you pyo and ggq weren't in them and thus have "townie points" but all of a sudden later: On September 29 2011 12:07 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Since you are rather indirectly asking for the list of people I think are scum: TranceStorm; there's a few reasons in my filter from day 1/2 and one last night. Archon_Toilet; comes in sporadically, votes someone at almost random, leaves. GGQ; comes in sporadically, seems to give it about 2% more thought than Archon and leaves again. You post this right after Palmer flips, even though you thought palmer was scum. So either you read through the thread hella fast to reevaluate who the last three mafia are or you just pulled out three convinent people. | ||
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On September 30 2011 02:48 TranceStorm wrote: Are you trolling us or something? Why on earth would a character from another story (not to mention the fact that he isn't one of the major major characters) be put in a theme game? That makes absolutely 0 sense. I know you've 'breadcrumbed' this, but why would another a character from another universe be introduced as a 3rd party looking for the ring? So you're saying Curu gave me two fake claims. One was Boromir and the other one was from another series? And that I'm lying about being what I am and I figured saying I was from another series would be MUCH better than just saying I'm Boromir, which would fit the role anyway since he wanted the ring for himself. And somehow I foresaw that I would need to claim a role from a completely different series somewhere down the line and breadcrumbed it? Oh, and Theon gets his own POV later btw so yeah, he's kind of a big deal. The only "major major characters" are Tyrion, Jon and Dany anyway and I'm pretty sure they're all too busy doing their own thing to fit into a role where the purpose is to get the ring (Trying to find a whore, On the Wall, Across the Narrow Sea) I'll paraphrase why I'm in the game from Curu's PM: Your life sucks, you never fit in at Winterfell and people called you a ward but really you were a hostage (I drop this word as a breadcrumb too). Hell, most people who watch the HBO show don't even know who you are (Sad actually since he plays a big role later). All you want is respect and recognition. Somehow you managed to rip open the space time continuum and teleport yourself into Middle Earth; Now you want to find the One Ring so you can finally gain recognition and power. When gollum left with the ring, I lost the power to use the ring to go back to Westeros so now I'm stuck here trying to score with hot elven chicks. | ||
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On September 30 2011 03:04 Drazerk wrote: I thought you was just lying about the theon thing lol and how dare you not call him a major major character he's one of my favourite characters! Mine too! lol I was really happy when Curu picked Theon out of all the other characters to give me as a role lol. I tihnk he's a major character, I don't think he's major major. Major major is like only those three. | ||
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On September 30 2011 03:17 kitaman27 wrote: Why would he automatically go down to not 4, rather than thinking the obvious number of 6? It's as if he is purposely trying to be ignorant of the likely number. Yeah I know but the fact that he unclaimed his smurf makes me think he's townie, if he's mafia and he used the un-smurf to seem townie that would be pretty lame since it's a "out of game mechanic" | ||
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On September 30 2011 11:15 kitaman27 wrote: Agreed. Everybody needs to be contributing. There are a bunch of people who are really not pulling their weight so close to LYLO. I'm ok with either a pyo or cybercheese vote | ||
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Also nice try at misdirection there by saying it's smarter to lynch me over Pyo, obvious scum #1. | ||
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On October 01 2011 05:02 GMarshal wrote: Neither will I! We can be the awesome people with established metas! Also, I call PM buddy with you in that game ^_^ Mafia can PM buddy each other! ![[image loading]](http://windowseat.ca/images/shark_gorilla_high_5.png) | ||
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On October 01 2011 06:32 syllogism wrote: As far as I'm concerned you are all trolling You is dead mate. Let's lynch GGQ tomorrow when Pyo flips mafia kk? | ||
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On October 01 2011 06:34 Drazerk wrote: Pyo - Why are Kita / Chaoser scum but not me? I just want to hear your reasoning behind this. Because the celestial moon is waning and three fourths of the way across the sky, lining up perpendicularly with Venus, the planet of love. This causes a vortex of transmittance that allows for a wave signal that has a frequency of 0.9c to reach him and...fuck this shit...GM how do you even think of half the things you think of?? | ||
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Holy fuck..you have 12k+ posts. How did you do that and I only have not even 4k and I've been here longer lol. | ||
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On October 01 2011 06:49 Drazerk wrote: I live report SC2 tournys I am 95% certain I have the TL record of most posts in a week because of it I dunno...kona had a pretty beastly posting rate back in the day. Jinro too. | ||
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Let's just say he's eased up a lot on posting since SC2 came out and he's still got you beat on average posts per X Average Posts Per Day 35.37 Average Posts Per Week 247.59 | ||
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On October 02 2011 05:29 GGQ wrote: In fact, we had better have kp to kill mafia with or chaoser is going to win I'm a vanilla townie you idiot... | ||
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On October 02 2011 05:29 GGQ wrote: In fact, we had better have kp to kill mafia with or chaoser is going to win Also, mafia shot me to kill me, and Drazerk is proof of that, so I don't see how this "chaoser is sk" thing works. | ||
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@GGQ, no matter what you think I am, if I was SK then town has already lost. There'd be 3 KP in play and there'd only be 3 townies left if I was SK. That would mean town has lost the game. Now, you can either believe that I'm SK and submit to the fact that town has already lost the game, or you can believe that I'm now a vanilla townie and help me lynch mafia. If I was really still SK I would have shot someone I believed to be mafia last night. That would have made it 3 townies-2 mafia-1 me, still LYLO. Right now, if I was SK, I would have to rely on town to win the game. You really think I would do that as SK? | ||
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27. heist 30. TranceStorm 5. kitaman27 28. Drazerk 23. chaoser 6. GGQ Here's my list right now. kitaman and Drazerk are "confirmed" and I'm "confirmed" if you'll believe me. So that means if all three of us are townies, then mafia fucked themselves over with their kill last night cause we'd just vote between GGQ, Cyber_cheese, heist, and TS. A three in four chance to lynch a mafia. I believe GGQ to be town so in that case it's just full on lynch of three mafia ezpz. But there's no way they would have done this. One of kita and Drazerk is 100% scum. I'm actually willing to believe both are. ##vote: kitaman27 At this point you need to explain actually (paraphrase) how your role works, who you picked to track every single night and why. I'm currently going through your logs. Also, Drazerk, who did you protect night 1? | ||
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On October 02 2011 10:14 GGQ wrote: Oh i agree that the right move is to lynch scum, not sk. We no longer have a lynch to use on you, so I'm just stating for the record that I don't believe you. I guess you'll have to wait till the end of the game to see it to believe it then | ||
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Also the Ring is gone. But you are Theon Greyjoy, the Kraken's heir, and though you can no longer return home with glory you might as well stay here. The Elven females are pretty hot. Gotta do something about that stupid evil Lord though. You are now Theon Greyjoy, Vanilla Townie! That's the paraphrased PM curu sent me if you care. | ||
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Night four and five I was roleblocked. Who did you track and would have gotten results on had you not been roleblocked? | ||
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On October 02 2011 10:28 kitaman27 wrote: chaoser, my timestamps line up correctly with my conversation with radfield right? If I'm lying about being masoned, how in the world did I provide them within 2 min of being asked of them? Pretty huge risk for me to have randomly made up times and hope they worked. If I'm lying about being a tracker, how in the world did I know you killed someone night two. Pretty huge risk for me to have banked on the fact that you hit someone. And you're seriously voting me at LYLO? I'm not. It's just my preliminary vote as I read through everything. I need to reread first and then I will make my final vote. | ||
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Drazerk also claimed he got shot but survived. Finally, iGrok's role was to be obviously bussed, I need to reread TS v Cyber. Will be back. I'm actually willing to lynch heist. He kept posting lists of "Out of these four, one is mafia, I swear on it". He says it 4-5 times. And everyone on that list flipped townie and the only one alive is TS. | ||
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On October 02 2011 22:51 Drazerk wrote: Syllo gave me the motivation the same night. I am willing to bet that he also protected me rather than there being two medics. The only reason I acted like there was two medics was to throw scum off. Got it, syllo used motivate Night 2 on you and then Healer Night 3 on you. That works out. | ||
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On September 23 2011 08:45 heist wrote: First of all, if radfield didn't use his ability, then mafia can claim safely. It's a possibility so no, no one is confirmed townie. What i want to know. Who killed Radfield? If what kita said is true, which, his logs seem to match, then not only did heist try to stop kita from claiming here but also bluefished for who killed Radfield. Kita, you previously only posted part of your logs with the time stamp, can you post the rest of it? | ||
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On September 23 2011 21:15 heist wrote: Also, Archon you aren't getting by with self-proclaimed sheep vote. Assume iGrok is 3rd party. Who would be your lynch? Even if iGrok flips mafia, does that tell you anything about the other players? What are thoughts on the people on the Jackal lynch? Basically I want more than what you are giving. Archon never responds back to you on that and posts: On September 24 2011 22:34 Archon_Toilet wrote: GOT SOMETHING STICKING IN MY EYYYYYYYYYYYYYYE spam for the next few posts and yet you moved on to ON, never to look back on Archon again. Also why do you think TS is no longer mafia? | ||
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On October 03 2011 08:04 kitaman27 wrote: lol its not like I could have turned a scum quicktopic into a 1:1 conversation with correct timestamps in 2 minutes flat. Heist, if you believed chaoser and draz were confirmed town, why did you decide to protect trance after essentially calling him out as scum earlier in the day? Did you expect him to get night hit, after being one of the main candidates the previous day? It's not like you only had 2 minutes, you could have thought about it previously during the day. Also, Radfield only needed to QT someone else like supersoft and have a conversation with them and post the link to the rest of mafia. Timestamps and conversation topics are already there so all you really need to do is change some of the names to match your own opinions in thread and one of two lines. I'm just saying you're not cleared. | ||
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On October 03 2011 08:27 heist wrote: I was getting tired of protecting Drazerk night in, night out. Mafia were avoiding Drazerk like the plague. I decided to protect someone whom I thought town to try and get another confirmed townie. So you protect...TS? The person cyber and you pushed hardcore to lynch? Why would mafia shoot him? How does that work with your "protect someone I thought was townie and get another confirmed town" plan? No one knew you thought TS was townie till today when you said you protected him. | ||
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On October 03 2011 04:04 heist wrote: I'm Elrond, the Lord of Rivendell. yes I'm the second medic. I protected jcarl first night. I protected Drazerk's ass every subsequent night except for last night where I protected Trancestorm. Also, Drazerk was shot under my protection. So I know for sure he's not mafia. Post your paraphrased protect PM. We can see if it matches, in any way, to Drazerk's | ||
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This means that syllo must have given him motivation on Night 2. But Syllo died on Day 3. That makes it impossible for him to protect Drazerk for day 4 since he wasn't around on Night 3 to do it. That means the only way Drazerk could have survived a hit was if there was another medic. This confirms heist as the other medic. At the same time, it explains why mafia didn't shoot Drazerk since they knew he was being protected but not by who. That leaves: 27. heist 22. Cyber_Cheese 5. kitaman27 30. TranceStorm 6. GGQ Mafia would obviously all pile onto heist since I just said I'm willing to lynch him. There's a 3/5 chance to hit mafia here, and 3/4 if you think kita is town tracker. I feel however, Cyber_Cheese is 100% mafia. On wherebugsgo, I get the distinct impression he's just a townie who wanted to have the ring and decided acting as Smeagol and demanding the ring until people got bored of it was better than trying to defend himself actively. I'm willing to bet there is no posting restriction, in fact I think it was explicitly stated somewhere that there wasn't. That said, I'd be comfortable with a lynch on him on the off-chance he is telling the truth about being third party, purely because that seems to make him a safer bet than most others. He's ok with lynching third-party. He then says iGrok is suspicious but is "giving hi a break". IGrok seems a little bit suspicious, but since I'm giving archon_toilet a break I guess I'll be doing the same here. He then goes on to defend iGrok when iGrok claims third-party. Go back and look at the claims of chaoser and igrok, if we must kill a neutral party, chaoser is the optimal choice. but he wants to lynch me over iGrok if I'm third-party. [quote]LOL WHAT I collapse in my bed with a few hours to go, and out of nowhere someone who hadn't even been considered previously was lynched. Bad call on Errandor, I really didn't see that happening, and I guess I'm not the only one[quote] He also pulls exactly what people have said about mafia leaving their vote on prp and then going WHAT STUPID TOWNIES when Errandor gets lynched. ##vote: Cyber_cheese | ||
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22. Cyber_Cheese 5. kitaman27 30. TranceStorm 6. GGQ Mafia would obviously all pile onto heist since I just said I'm willing to lynch him. There's a 3/4 chance to hit mafia here, and 3/3 if you think kita is town tracker. | ||
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On October 03 2011 12:49 heist wrote: Why do people believe there are still 3 mafia left? And guys I am confirmed town. I don't know why I'm even up for debate... Kita answer me this. In your best guess, why haven't mafia RBed Drazerk and killed you? Because if there's not 3 mafia then town already lost. Are you saying there's 2 mafia left and somehow they have 2 KP? Not likely. Are you saying there's 4 mafia left? We'd have lost the game. | ||
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On October 03 2011 12:55 heist wrote: Why would 3 mafia have 2 KP? Doesn't it round down? But anyways, irrelevant. I'll be keeping my vote on cyber_cheese. It rounds up. Never in a game has it rounded down. | ||
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I was hoping to keep avoiding role-claiming in full so mafia could waste hits on me, but that doesn't help me if I die. Why would mafia hit you if you're fucking suspected of being mafia? And this fear is only contingent on IF we are able to lynch mafia today. It's between you, who looks scummy as fuck with all your contradictions and scumminess and GGQ, who has been fingered by Radfield as scummy and someone that should be shot and also pushed for iGrok's lynch at the very beginning. He looks so damn clean it's kinda suspicious. You on the other hand look so fucking scummy. We can skip over this debate by lynching TS who is 100% mafia and try to buy another day, hoping that mafia doesn't kill anyone tonight since we got two medics if everyone is willing. | ||
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I have the ability to hide behind people at night, with a 50% chance to die if my target is mafia. So far, I've hidden behind: iGrok - Night 1 iGrok - Night 2 Greymist - Night 3 Raynpelikoneet - Night 4 Chaoser - Night 5 You hid behind iGrok twice and didn't die with a 50% chance to die if you hid behind mafia? What a shitty claim. | ||
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On October 03 2011 13:16 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Because then if I survive I can protect the person I was behind. How does this work again? You don't protect shit, you just survive. Also, please explain why you hid behind iGrok for two whole days when there's a 50% chance you would die and you didn't apparently? | ||
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Use and Power Hider is stronger than Weak Cop in that it cannot be directly killed at Night. This in turn allows it to claim safely and give its targets in advance. In that way, it is a superbly powerful investigative role limited only by the complications that can result from having actions copied onto itself or dying when it investigates scum. That's how a real hider is used. You didn't play in a way that would have invited mafia bullets at all. What a bullshit claim. Why the fuck would Theon Greyjoy be in a Lotr themed game? I'm from an alternate universe and my role is in-character (I'm a greyjoy, we rob the coastline, we also kill people and take their shit) Yours makes no sense in-character. Thanks for the shit claim though. 100% mafia. | ||
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On October 03 2011 13:54 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Where is the quote from? That's just telling mafia which target to hit to get 2 for the price of 1... You're saying that you're playing a role you've never heard about and played before and you didn't go google it? This quote is fro mafiawiki. Obviously you don't tell people in advance who you are hiding behind but you can hint it to people by FOSing them and then when you die they will know. Regardless of that fact, what's your hider ability called? All of the abilities have names. What's yours? | ||
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On October 03 2011 23:31 kitaman27 wrote: I'd be around to switch if all four of us are willing. Heist seems to think trance is town, but I'm not sure where his third scum would come from if he is. I'm just thinking back to what Ace said. Between someone who's here and defending himself and someone who is clearly lurking (TS has on active on TL, he posted in other threads, He's lurking) on LYLO, always lynch the lurker. On January 10 2011 07:34 Ace wrote: I'll believe Nemesis over an absent player. Why would you side with someone that isn't even defending himself? Can everyone please move over to TS? | ||
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On October 04 2011 01:59 Cyber_Cheese wrote: For a vanilla townie, your awfully willing to lynch just about anyone I'm clearly not which is why I've been going back and forth all day trying to figure out this tangled web of scum. Your buddies better kill me tonight before I get the rest of them. Does it feel good to have dropped all pretenses of defense and go after me instead? I'm already confirmed by Drazerk protecting me from a hit by mafia. | ||
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On October 04 2011 02:03 Cyber_Cheese wrote: When your reply to my explaination of my actions is It's very hard to 'defend'. This confirmation of you and Drazerk seems to rely heavily on you two confirming each other at the moment too... Drazerk is already confirmed by Curu. Burns doesn't it? Grasping for straws much? | ||
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On October 04 2011 05:09 TranceStorm wrote: @chaoser Any particular reason why you keep cycling through candidates? What are you trying to imply? That I'm mafia? That I'm still an SK? If it's the first one then Drazerk protected me from a hit, I killed Radfield, and I got shot day 1 and survived (explained by Curu's post when Palmer won). So unless I decided to waste a hit on myself on the off chance someone would protect on me when I had claimed bulletproof I'm not mafia. If it's the second one, it doesn't matter who I vote off since I just need to survive till the end of game. There's no reason for me to cycle around. And with Town in a LYLO situation, it doesn't have a chance to lynch me anyway and you're all basically in a kingmaker situation to pick between lynching all mafia and letting me win or lynching me and letting mafia win. I already claimed that I turned vanilla townie and unless I somehow guessed Palmer's win con, I don't see how I can be a "survivor type" SK. I obviously had the same win con as him and now that the ring is gone, I need to win with town. My reason for flipping around which Cyber_cheese asked me before: I'm clearly not which is why I've been going back and forth all day trying to figure out this tangled web of scum. Your buddies better kill me tonight before I get the rest of them. Does it feel good to have dropped all pretenses of defense and go after me instead? I'm already confirmed by Drazerk protecting me from a hit by mafia. | ||
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6. GGQ 30. TranceStorm 28. Drazerk 23. chaoser 27. heist Town has three confirmed. Tomorrow there will probably be two confirmed since mafia still has role blocker. Medics, protect only between me and the both of you, don't protect anyone outside that. Lynch GGQ first. He posts minimally and is always on the right side of the flip. He wanted iGrok lynched and Radfield told iGrok to kill GGQ. Obviously that never would happen since both of them were on mafia team. This was done to give GGQ ton cred, that makes him seem very townie. Except when you look over his posts you'll notice that he talks about almost nothing. The actual reason I jumped around a lot was to confuse mafia on where I was going to land on and also who I suspected. I also lied in the beginning of day about seeing GGQ as townie to make it seem like it was choice between TS and Cyber_cheese. That was to draw out the final mafia, Kitaman. You notice that he talks about how TS is a better lynch than cyber_cheese because he "might be roleblocker". Except that wouldn't have mattered at all if kita was actually what he says he is, a blue role since we would have already had all three mafia (GGQ, Cyber, TS) caught. What does it matter if a roleblocker gets lynched over a regular mafia? We'd just lynch them down in a row and win. If you all remember, cyber_cheese was being pushed as a lynch target on the previous day as well and all of a sudden in the middle of the day, Kita, who agreed that cyber was mafia, all of a sudden starts up a lynch on Pyo. He misdirected it to save Cyber. Also, he was very upset with Drazerk when I got protected over him and I survived a hit even though he should have been happy mafia wasted a hit. I know Drazerk would follow me to the ends of the earth, do I have everyone else's (heist, TS) agreement that we're going to vote off GGQ and then kita? I suggest mafia forfeit. You lost when you couldn't snipe the second mafia and I got saved by razerk (high five) | ||
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But ya, ggq tomorrow and then we can yell at each other at the final LYLO I suppose. Or we can start tomorrow though I know I'm not going to die this night =]. Gotta kill one of the two medics so it's not two confirmed medics v one mafia huh? | ||
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On October 04 2011 10:33 kitaman27 wrote: Right, morning shift, aka Serial Killing spree.  Obviously if I was SK I'd kill you so I wouldn't have to spend time and energy arguing. | ||
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Look, we both agree iGrok can't be allowed to live to engame. If he gets lynched today, then that's fine by me. If there is a chance he is scum, not survivor, it might even be a better choice to kill him first. However, there is no doubt in my mind that chaoser is not town. On day one he took a hit. On day two, he got caught red handed killing someone. On day three, he comes up with an extremely convienent role that explains both the hit and the killing. The fact that you believe there is a town aligned bulletproof compulsive vig just blows my mid. chaoser is probably going to shoot me tonight. The only "conditions" his shots have is that the person has to be a threat to him. He can't be allowed to laugh his merry way to victory as a "Boromir", when it is beyond obvious that he is not. He said that. I was roleblocked that night too btw. On September 25 2011 07:45 kitaman27 wrote: You calling me scum now so you can try to justify shooting me tonight for revealing your identity? :p He clearly thinks I'm going to shoot him that night. If he wasn't mafia, why would mafia roleblock me if everyone thought I was probably going to shoot him that night? I would have killed a "blue role" and then mafia could have swooped in and gotten me lynched. | ||
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On October 04 2011 21:58 kitaman27 wrote: umm how about the obvious shot in igrok? o.O I see how it is. LOLOL You're totally wrong. iGrok was lynched the previous day. On September 25 2011 08:00 Mig wrote: Ugly ugly iGrok lynched! Send all night actions to me and curu! On September 23 2011 08:07 Drazerk wrote: Never mind I was role blocked >.< Drazerk was roleblocked that day. (Day 3, so roleblocked on Night 2) I was roleblocked the next day (Day 4, so roleblocked on Night 3), the day AFTER you claimed you were tracker and tracked me to a kill. On September 26 2011 08:08 chaoser wrote: I was roleblocked Day 3: Vain, syllogism, sandroba, Radfield dead !<- On the day iGrok got lynched you claim you tracked me (Sept 23-25) Night 3: iGrok lynched! Day 4: supersoft, prplhz dead! <- I'm roleblocked (Sept 26-28) | ||
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On September 23 2011 22:17 kitaman27 wrote: sup chaoser, I saw you return to your house with blood on your hands. Which kill are you claiming? Sincerely, Your number one stalker. Claimed Tracker On September 25 2011 08:00 Mig wrote: Ugly ugly iGrok lynched! iGrok lynched On September 26 2011 08:08 chaoser wrote: I was roleblocked I was roleblocked. The only person that I was against that day that hasn't flipped yet, is you. The only person in danger of being shot that day that hasn't flipped yet, is you. | ||
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On October 04 2011 22:28 kitaman27 wrote: Fine you're right, iGrok had already died by then. Ask Trance or GGQ why they stopped you're shot, I'm not sure. There is still the fact that I've confirmed myself as a tracker and have confirmed myself as Radfield's mason target. Wrong, you never confirmed yourself as a tracker, you merely said you saw me kill someone. Seeing how bold the rest of the mafia has been with its moves and interactions with each other in the thread, this is not a surprising thing to happen. And you're not confirmed as Radfield's mason target since Radfield would have obviously posted a paraphrased copy of his conversation with his target in the mafia QT and you had all day to change it around a bit and throw it out last minute (literally 10 minutes before lynch) to get a swing. You could have thrown it out earlier but you didn't cause you wanted there to be last minute chaos. You said it was a "trap" and yet you never mention it again as proof of catching anyone and it hasn't caught anyone that is mafia. We were all perfectly content with a vote on Cyber_cheese Day 5 but you come in mid cycle ith a case on Pyo even though you said you thought cyber_cheese was mafia and was completely fine with lynching him. You didn't even try to justify the change as "I think Pyo is the roleblocker". On September 30 2011 06:16 heist wrote: ##vote: cyber_cheese You vote him and then later bring up a class on Pyo and switch the vote over. Finally, on the previous day, you say: The fact that cheese completely shut down on his case on trace once we hit LYLO and came out with a weird claim, essentially jumping on the lynch makes me think trance is more likely to be the roleblocker than cheese, but either one is going to give us a red flip. You mention that you think TS is the roleblocker, implying you think he's the better lynch even though that would mean NOTHING if you were actually blue. If we can lynch whoever is the roleblocker, we've essentially won the game, as our medics can protect eachother and mafia can never break the double protection with 1 kp. We don't need to "lynch the roleblocker" to essentially win the game. We would have already have won if you were actually blue. If you WERE actually blue you would have just said "lol, game won. I'm blue, heist, Drazerk, and chaoser are confirmed, obviously we just lynch down the line for the last three there." | ||
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We don't need to "lynch the roleblocker" to essentially win the game. We would have already have won if you were actually blue. If you WERE actually blue you would have just said "lol, game won. I'm blue, heist, Drazerk, and chaoser are confirmed, obviously we just lynch down the line for the last three there." The reason you didn't say that, btw, was because you got greedy and wanted to win the game that day. You took my bait that I was willing to lynch TS cause all you need is one wrong vote on LYLO to win the game. | ||
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On September 30 2011 07:14 kitaman27 wrote: ##vote: cyber_cheese On September 30 2011 10:33 kitaman27 wrote: So after reading through pyo's posts, I really think he is our best bet at this point. Comes in 3 hours later to write up a post on Pyo | ||
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lol if I was trying to push a mislynch, there would be no point trying to push it yesterday. If we were lynching down the line and I was scum, I would have won since its LYLO. If you were scum, the longer you were alive, the harder it would be to justify WHY you were still alive. Especially since you claimed tracker. Like I said, on Day 4 I was roleblocked and Drazerk was shot at. Why roleblock me if the only valid target I expressed that I might shoot at is you if you were indeed blue? And why weren't you roleblocked/killed instead? I rest my case. I will be voting you tomorrow no matter what you say. I hope the rest of town can see the discrepancies as well. | ||
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I said I was suspicious of pyo even before the day started and promised a case against him before there were any votes on cheese. Funny how the only opposition to the Pyo lynch was GGQ and Trance, who were busing their scumbuddies and wanted to avoid being part of a mislynch. Read that again and see it for how scummy that logic is. | ||
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That's obviously me in the converstion. It's not paraphrased. By paraphrased I mean it wasn't a direct copy of it since you're not allowed to directly copy or link QTs and their content | ||
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You're saying all of that is somehow less confirmation than Kita's stuff? And it is quite strange that the mafia never took the easy option in roleblocking Drazerk and shooting kita (or chaoser for that matter). Exactly. Lynch kita -_- | ||
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Farfetched - but still a thought that did occur to me. You say all of that is farfetched but should be thought about but then kita's is apparently so fucking unlikely? You're kidding me. | ||
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On October 05 2011 04:04 kitaman27 wrote: Where exactly does a mafia tracker fit in there? No where. You're not a tracker. Simple as that. | ||
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On October 05 2011 04:12 GGQ wrote: Wait, chaoser, I'm mafia because I was on the right side of every lynch? How does that even make sense? iGrok was the scummiest player straight from day 1, and cyber_cheese defended the crap out of him all game. What's baffling to me is that anyone was NOT on the right side of every lynch. Go lynch Kita | ||
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On October 05 2011 07:33 kitaman27 wrote: Mafia is obviously going to shoot me, just to troll the game. Youre making more and more mistakes. If you were actually blue and mafia shot you they would lose. Fail much? | ||
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On October 05 2011 03:55 kitaman27 wrote: 5 posts in a row? That's enough for a modkill, right? Scum (yourself included) knew I had the logs in my posession. Town did not. I tried to use their knowledge against them to create a trap. Nobody would have felt safe pushing me that day who was scum because they knew I had the claim in my backpocket. I waited to the final hour of the cycle because it forced people to make a stance, not knowing when I would come out and claim. Final post on kita btw but if Scum knew: 1) you had the logs in your possession and that you would use it as a "trap" against them and thus never feel safe pushing a case against you. 2) You publicly claimed TRACKER then why didn't they kill you before you could get it out? Day 4: supersoft, prplhz dead! <- They could have shot you on this day. Instead they shot Drazerk and supersoft and only "roleblocked" you. | ||
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On October 05 2011 21:49 kitaman27 wrote: They obviously shot Draz, intending to shoot me the following day once the medic was dead. I'm not sure why they shot supersoft, but maybe they had a blue read on him. So let me get this straight. On that day they 1) Roleblocked me even though in thread, everyone knew I was shooting you 2) Didn't shoot you even though you apparently have this "PM log" that could trap them and make them never feel safe pushing for your lynch 3) Didn't roleblock Drazerk to not only shoot him and then you if need be 4) Shoot supersoft because they had a "blue read" on him while you not only claimed tracker in thread but also have this "PM trap" Yeah lol ok. | ||
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Before you say "but wait - TranceStorm changed his mind about kita" - it's because of necessity. The only possible option at the moment for me is to assume that both kita and GGQ are mafia. I still think it was very unlikely that kita guessed about chaoser - but maybe one of his powers enabled him to do so. Btw, he didn't have to "guess" me for his ploy to lead to profit. If I hadn't actually killed anyone he would still claim I'm lying, and try to lead to my lynch. When I flipped (which would have been third party at the time, the mafia team had already pegged me as third party btw, it's kinda hard NOT to see that I was third party) Kita would have profited, whether I had actually killed or not. Not to mention if I flipped blue but a killing role he would say, oops, I DID track him to a kill though. If you look through all my games previously, you will see that I play a completely different game as green townie and also as blue role. Anyone competent would have known I was third-party. His claim is basically the same as a mafia claiming fake DT and that he checked someone and they came up red. If you don't vote him TS, I will blow a gasket. | ||
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1) Mafia would have TWO medics 2) Cyber_cheese, the ACTUAL mafia medic and the ACTUAL one getting lynched yesterday wouldn't claim it, instead letting heist claim it when day wasn't even CLOSE to ending and he barely had any votes/pressure on him at the time. (Two votes on him at the time, one was cyber_cheese, one was me. So one mafia (not real pressure) and one from me) | ||
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But it's not about role numbers at this point is it though? It's about how scummy you've been and acted all game. We both know at this point you're not trying to convince me anymore, you're trying to convince TS to vote with you. You still haven't explained the happenings of day 4 kills and roleblocks. You obviously can't. Sadly you're not very good at handling pressure. He is a confirmed medic, but is he a confirmed town medic? Once again, why would he claim medic when he wasn't in trouble of being lynched, the day wasn't even close to ending and Cyber_cheese was in way more trouble, especially since a lot of people were gunning for him being mafia since the start of day? | ||
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On October 06 2011 01:41 GGQ wrote: Right, so kitaman is obviously lying about heist, but why do you think that Trancestorm is town? From my perspective he has to be the last mafia. You just said kitaman is lying = he is mafia. Why does it matter why TS is the final town or mafia? We can shelve that conversation for tomorrow after kita is lynched. | ||
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1) I was roleblocked when I would have shot kita 2) Mafia shot Drazerk but then used their own medic protect to save Drazerk, a claimed medic which might possibly later not only make end game hard for them but also save any potential KP targets 3) Leave kita unroleblocked, and alive even though he claimed tracker and had a "PM trap" | ||
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Truth of the matter is, iGrok was never going to hit him when Radfield told him to cause they were both mafia. The plan was to buy his town cred and hope that he would never get lynched. Sadly it is now end game =[ And at end game, there's no escape from the simple fact that those that came through the game completely clean with no shots on them while also being on the right side of lynch voting for all the mafia since the beginning of the game SHOULD be dead. And you're not. Cause you're mafia. =[ Lynch Kita, Lynch GGQ. GG Town Wins. | ||
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On October 07 2011 12:56 TranceStorm wrote: A really good guess at that it seems - looked like a really really big gambel to me. There have been better. Go look through the old games. | ||
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On October 07 2011 13:01 chaoser wrote: There have been better. Go look through the old games. In particular, Pandian's Mafia team in Insane Mafia 1 I think it was | ||
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Win Post This win post has slight spoilers (minor ones in my opinion) for the Song of Ice and Fire Series. Don't read it if you want to be completely spoil free. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0dO1J.jpg) Reek stared into the simmering water as he went to work scrubbing himself. When he had first arrived at the lake, he had been too scared to step in, fearing that the water would reject his body since he hadn't touched it in so long. But it welcomed him, and he, it as he stepped into the blue. Reek, which rhymed with meek, was a weak and broken man, if he could be called a man at all anymore. His grin was lopsided and his hair was bone-white and filthy. Reek, which rhymed with sneak, would hide at the first sign of trouble, at the first sign of pain. Reek would betray his closest friend, a friend as close as a real brother. As he stared into the water though, the reflection that stared back was not that of his own. The face was both stern and completely familiar. The man looking back at him from the water's surface was still a man. His grin was full and seemed like it could burst into a thunderous laugh at any moment and his hair was dark and full. He looked like a man of honor, a captain perhaps or a lord's son. What a twist of fate by the Drowned Gods, he thought, to put me into the skin of someone who was the splitting image of the man that took care of me for ten whole years. His moment of introspection, however, was broken by a yell of "Boromir!" from the edge of the lake. A child of the forest stood at the water's edge, looking out at him, waving his hands to signal that it was time to leave. Apparently they were known as hobbits in this world but that made little difference since names and titles could be changed; He knew this better than anyone. He dried himself and put on his clothing. As he sheathed his sword, he was informed that there was to be a forming of some sort of fellowship. As the hobbit continued to talk, he followed the child back into the woods. He had been too haughty, trying to steal the ring from Frodo. And now it was gone, forever lost to him. This is it, he thought. I will never be able to return back home, back to Westeros. Back to my devilish little sister, never to right the wrongs that I helped cause. He had tried to take the ring in vain and for all his troubles he now had two arrows sticking out of him. One he was able to ripe out himself but the pain that shot through him told him it was a bad idea to try it again with the other. Soon the darkness of unconsciousness started to envelope him and as it drifted over him, he thought that at the least, he had fought to save two children of the forest. At least he died protecting Ned Stark's Old Gods. As he closed his eyes, a small smile formed on his face. Boromir, Lord of Gondor has passed away. Spoilers up ahead for Ice and Fire Cold. That's how he felt. A coldness that he wasn't use to. I'm dead now, at the Drowned God's underwater palace Theon thought. But as he was thinking that, he felt his cheeks start to get colder and wetter. Opening his eyes he was blinded by all the white that surrounded him. + Show Spoiler + "Get up Theon! Theon! We have to go!" a meek voice screamed at him. He was surrounded by snow and nothingness. Jeyne Poole was by his side, shaking him with all her strength. "Please! We have to go! Ramsey is right behind us! Please wake up!" Theon started to rise and Jeyne backed away in surprise. "Are you ok?? The fall must have knocked you out...we need to go...please.." she begged. Theon struggled to his feet. "I had a dream...it was a wonderful dream...I was Ned in it...but now I know who I am...I am Theon Greyjoy, the Kraken's Son. I have to know my name. And you have to know your name as well. Now, lets go, Stannis is waiting." | ||
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MOST TOWNIE PLAYER AWARD SHOULD GO TO ME!! | ||
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On October 10 2011 10:49 Radfield wrote: GG all! Thanks to Curu and Mig for putting on the game, super well run guys. I had tons of fun as mafia this game, most fun I've had as a mafioso  Curu, I think you handled the modkills very well. That was a tricky situation, and I think you found a good solution. DITTO! I totally had fun posting as third party and having my post restriction and making as many references as soon. Being endgame boss was legit too. | ||
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I pretty much thought kita was mafia when he claimed gimped tracker but I had no way in thread to pin that on him at that point because there was no support an also I didn't care that much since I was trying to get the ring. Mafia fucked up by roleblocking me the next day cause I would have been out of the game the very next night and it would have been MUCH easier for them to get Palmer lynched than to get me lynched. During that day I didn't care who got lynched out of Kita and ON so I went along with him at the end because he posted his PM with Radfield and that confused me a bit. Then Curu told me I was townie now and I was all sorts of -_- and spent half the day reading Cyber and everyone elses posts to catch up. It wasn't till after the Pyo lynch that I was caught up and figured out all of the mafia team. From then on it was to misdirect for a day and try to make TS (who I was worried about the most) understand that Kita faked tracker. Nice plan by Mafia even though it didn't work out though. And I hope TS and heist get better the next time I'm in an endgame situation with them. GG | ||
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On October 10 2011 14:34 Ciryandor wrote: LOL if not for the bodyguard I had chaoser would have gotten ring N1 by killing prp and won there, and scum would have steamrolled to victory. Glad to see that my death did do something to him pulling out this masterful win. As soon as Prphlz started talking about the ring too much I knew he was probably frodo. You coming out saying you two were together confirmed him for me. That's why I tried to make it seem like he was mafia so no one else would shoot him. | ||
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On October 10 2011 15:17 syllogism wrote: By the time chaoser actually started lynching scum, there were 2 basically confirmed townies, which left him with 3 scum among 4 scum candidates, making it rather trivial. Sorry can't give him that much credit considering he voted to lynch ON over Kita; don't even care what his alignment was at the time. The hardest problem I had was trying to get and convince town to actually lynch Kita. aside from that it was pretty easy I guess | ||
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On October 10 2011 20:33 GGQ wrote: If I didn't have the bomb, I would have gone for this. I considered killing chaoser because I knew he would never vote for anyone other than me, and hoping heist or TS would suspect each other. But I thought I had a better chance of getting TS to trip the bomb. Which he did anyway... | ||
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Radfield getting shot night two was pretty annoying. We had lost a kp without a scum getting lynched. I'm still not sure why chaoser or Palmar didn't decide to hit prp. WILDCARD BITCHES! | ||
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