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Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
September 28 2011 17:27 GMT
#2552
On September 29 2011 02:08 Pyo wrote:
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On September 29 2011 01:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Oh I overlooked Drazerk and Kitaman27 being on all of them too...
Both Pyo and I haven't been on any, and if we disclude the third which most of the town was on, GGQ joins us.


coming up with a contrived way to clear yourself... am I the only one who thinks this is really scummy? ON flipping town makes me really hesitant to push anyone (especially given that it is night still), but it really should be pointed out that "always being on the right side of a lynch" means you know something that the rest of town didn't...

I still haven't wrapped my head around all the chaoser/palmar bullshit. The thing that really bothers me about it is that if I were to pick 2 people at the start of the game who would have absolutely no trepidation with fake claiming a 3rd party, it would be those two. Neither of their claims make any sense nor does the fact that they're both still alive. Hopefully at least one of them dies tonight to make things simpler... or better yet if I die tonight then I don't have to think about it – either way, I'm going to wait till the day post before I really try wade through the fake claiming/sheeping/bull shitting that's been going on.


It wasn't intended to clear me, that was an observation I noticed later on. I was asleep during most of them due to timezones and last minute swaps.

The Chaoser/Palmar thing we shoud re-evaluate tomorrow IMO, and see if either die in the meantime.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
September 29 2011 02:41 GMT
#2598
On September 29 2011 11:21 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2011 02:08 Pyo wrote:
On September 29 2011 01:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Oh I overlooked Drazerk and Kitaman27 being on all of them too...
Both Pyo and I haven't been on any, and if we disclude the third which most of the town was on, GGQ joins us.


coming up with a contrived way to clear yourself... am I the only one who thinks this is really scummy? ON flipping town makes me really hesitant to push anyone (especially given that it is night still), but it really should be pointed out that "always being on the right side of a lynch" means you know something that the rest of town didn't...

I still haven't wrapped my head around all the chaoser/palmar bullshit. The thing that really bothers me about it is that if I were to pick 2 people at the start of the game who would have absolutely no trepidation with fake claiming a 3rd party, it would be those two. Neither of their claims make any sense nor does the fact that they're both still alive. Hopefully at least one of them dies tonight to make things simpler... or better yet if I die tonight then I don't have to think about it – either way, I'm going to wait till the day post before I really try wade through the fake claiming/sheeping/bull shitting that's been going on.


This is actually what Cyber was trying to do. Also, cyber posted this gem over night:

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On September 28 2011 22:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I hate to ruin it, but Palmar and Chaoser claim to need the ring a full day/night cycle before disappearing. If Chaoser is killing Palmar tonight, what stops us from lynching him tomorrow?
How exactly is the game 'over'?


Wants to lynch a third party over actually looking for mafia when, even If we had lied about our wincons, it would have been figured out by waiting a single cycle if palmer died and I didn't.

He also never actually gets on anyone as scummy and has been cruising through this game so far.


No, I was just pointing out some inconsistencies in your collective logics, that was my reasoning behind not believing you.
Suddenly you were a game of thrones character as a SK, turned into a vanilla townie because Palmar left? Somehow that doesn't make believing you any easier, but whatever.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
September 29 2011 02:52 GMT
#2600
On September 29 2011 11:40 kitaman27 wrote:
Also, did Greymist breadcrumb any of his checks?


As far as I can tell, Palmar was night 3
On September 27 2011 05:49 GreYMisT wrote:
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On September 27 2011 04:23 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On September 27 2011 03:43 GreYMisT wrote:
On September 27 2011 03:16 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On September 27 2011 03:09 Archon_Toilet wrote:
Pretty sure heist needs to go.

He called out DrH as a terrible lynch on day 1, defended Drazerk to the death then voted for him, called out iGrok as a terrible lynch, was on the original name train.

Low activity, atrocious voting, defends scum then disappears. Heist needs to go. Vote for heist.


Low activity and atrocious voting? Sounds much like someone I know...
That is the very first time you have mentioned heist all game.


What is your actual opinion on him (Heist) though?


He seems town to me, he's asked for people to give well thought out reasons to vote and didn't follow the Radfield wagon.
Scum or not, DocH wasn't the best choice for a day 1 lynch, and that was very evident in that he never became a major candidate. I don't think that should be used against him. I would like to hear some of his current thoughts since the flip.
I'm on the fence about his 2 candidate policy, it's situational whether two candidates is better or worse than one.
Moreover, the voting for people other than iGrok I believe to have been a mafia bus. so he seems to be a townie to me at the moment.

For as long as I'm asking people, what is your opinion on Palmar?


I have not played many games with palmar, so I only have this game of info to reliably depend on, but despite the trolling and one-liners he seems to be taking a fairly pro town stance. Posting the kind of things he is posting might be bored/frustrated town, might be unknown third party, but I do not believe he is scum.

That aside, he might have checked iGrok night 2 because he changed his stance, and I suspect he would have checked WBG night 1, but those are both speculation.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
September 29 2011 03:07 GMT
#2604
On September 29 2011 11:21 chaoser wrote:
He also never actually gets on anyone as scummy and has been cruising through this game so far.

Since you are rather indirectly asking for the list of people I think are scum:
TranceStorm; there's a few reasons in my filter from day 1/2 and one last night.
Archon_Toilet; comes in sporadically, votes someone at almost random, leaves.
GGQ; comes in sporadically, seems to give it about 2% more thought than Archon and leaves again.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
September 29 2011 03:09 GMT
#2605
Oh by the way I did look for your breadcrumbs Chaoser
On September 17 2011 03:51 chaoser wrote:
Winter is coming...

On September 17 2011 08:56 chaoser wrote:
asking for the ring outright? tsk tsk. My steel and iron comes for you.

On September 20 2011 08:19 chaoser wrote:
Woe is my life as I have been shot. Thankfully I am not dead. Don't worry though shooter, I have your bullet and I hope to return the favor. I always repay my debts.

On September 23 2011 23:01 chaoser wrote:
What a creepy slime. Like a kraken...

My sword of steel and iron tasted the salty blood of Radfield last night. No hostages were taken. Anyone can counter claim if they want but they're not going to get very far.

On September 23 2011 23:41 chaoser wrote:
Also, RIP Ned Stark =[ A great but stern man if I ever knew one. I hope one day that the wrongs that have fallen on his family are righted =[

On September 23 2011 23:53 chaoser wrote:
Sigh, woe is my life.

I am [b]Boromir, Lord of Gondor, Son of Man[b]

I can kill people if certain requirements, that I will not say, are fulfilled.

I am also bulletproof

I win together with town.

And that's upto somewhere on page 5 of the 13 in your filter so far, so I'm willing to believe you.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
September 29 2011 16:54 GMT
#2621
On September 30 2011 01:31 chaoser wrote:
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On September 21 2011 05:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
It's in the mafia's best interest to lure people away from discussions about scum, and on to things like lore and speculation on mechanics, and if they can speculate on mechanics and come up with a plan that may make them stronger at the same time all the better. With this in mind, I would like to revisit the possibility that the mafia atually did propose a plan to take control of the ring.
Now assuming you were the mafia, who would you assign to propose the pro-scum plan that may or may not go through?

In the words of MrWiggles (notably deceased):
On September 19 2011 10:46 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
As well, it seems unlikely that if it was a mafia ploy they would have had Jackal deliver the plan. Even if one could give away the ring during the day, it would draw a lot of attention to the person proposing it, due to certain short-comings. It makes more sense to get one of the lesser experienced mafia members to propose it, because heat being drawn to them isn't as bad, and it can more easily be passed off as not thinking it through enough.


Now, all this person really needs is a few quiet days while people slowly forget what he did day 1 if things go bad, so they *could* try to lurk until it all blew over.

With that in mind, lets take a second look at TranceStorm's plan to confirm townies-
On September 17 2011 14:36 TranceStorm wrote:
Debating about who should get the ring and what each role can or cannot do at the moment is pointless at the current time. However, I do like one of the plans that was proposed by a few people: having the person who successfully passed on the ring claim themselves. This way, we can enable a 'chain' to be made - i.e. the first player can confirm the second player once the second player has passed on the ring themselves. This is all dependent on the assumption that evil players cannot pass the ring themselves which as Radfield pointed out, is probably a true assumption.

Given this, however, this plan would probably only be effective for the first few 'passes' and perhaps near the end of the game when town circles become more clear. The risk after the first few days that the person holding the ring is killed, or has the ring stolen (which is a possible role according to the OP) makes the plan ineffective.

Therefore, I think that such a plan should work for the first 2 or 3 days to confirm at least one or two people. Any thoughts or ideas about this? I haven't fully fleshed this out yet (i.e. the possibility of fake claims is strong), but its probably a better discussion than the arbitrary finger-pointing going on at the moment.


This seemingly bad town plan has a ton of flaws.
-Townies might not be able to further pass the ring, and therefore not safely claim after the ring was given to them. The ring is now stuck on someone who can't move it, when the previous towns person could have moved the ring if he sensed danger.
-The difficulty of finding a new townie who the ring should be passed to. With every pass, the chance of the recipient being a scumbag increases. Self explanatory
-Bad payoffs. A 'confirmed' townie won't be able to accomplish much.
-The chance of scum lying to gain whatever town cred exsists. This admittedly could potentially force a counter claim, and get a scum lynched for one townie, but the chance of scum actually trying it is low.
-The assumption seems horribly scummy, it helps pave the way for scum to confirm themselves. It also seems to rely on a town aligned role with the power to search for the ring, just in case the scum player decided not to even try to pass it.
-The plan overall balances a low payoff with a rather low reward.

After the plan is dismissed, Trance proceeds to act wishy-washy and brings up a case on anyone he believes might legitimately form a bandwagon, before deciding to join a pre-exsisting one.
I don't have much to say about this part because I don't understand why all three major wagons were town, but I believe mafia have their reasons to want to flip both WBG and prphlz, and so they bandwagoned onto a convenient easy target in Errandor.
For the sake of this point, I advise you read through his filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699&user=27938

What I do know, is that DocH (deceased) was willing to oversee his plan rather quickly-
On September 17 2011 15:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
TranceStorm has a bad plan. Big deal, hopefully he can be made to see the problem with it. The main problem is that this game is not about confirming townies using mechanics we don't understand the goal is to find and catch scum.

If I'm not mistaken, that was among the most dismissive statements DocH said while he was alive.

At the same time DocH was gaining town cred by helping to dismiss the plan after townies already had (Yet another benefit.)
On September 17 2011 15:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
We don't know anything about the ring. Passing it on to scum could have terrible consequences. If we knew exactly what the rings powers were and what powers each player had relating to it then we could maybe form some plan for its use but otherwise this discussion is pretty much off the table.

In the lore of LOTR the one ring basically reflects the power of its holder. A simple hobbit like Frodo simply becomes invisible holding it. But a powerful wizard like Saruman or god forbid Sauron could use it to become basically invincible/mind control/etc. And I'm not sure the ring will have evolving powers (just speculating) but hopefully my points be simple to understand

1. We have no idea what the extent of the consequences would be if the one ring were to fall into the hands of an evil player.
2. We have no idea what the ring even does other than the player who holds it or maybe some other role has knowledge.
3. It is not worth risking getting the ring on the wrong side of the town simply to MAYBE confirm a few players.


TranceStorm is Scum


He's been tunneling TS all game and yet he votes Palmer twice (Day 2 and 4) (a useless vote since he was never in danger of being lynched, why not just put your useless vote on TS then?), and for day 3 voted ON. He only voted TS day one. Even now he talks about how he thinks TS is scum but his vote never gets to rest there. If you're so convinced TS is scum why are all your votes meaningless (voting for non-majority people that aren't TS)?

SCUMMMMM


Because Palmar was scummier obviously
I swapped to tunneling Palmar, my vote was on him day 3 up until near the end of it.

Every vote on a non-majority person is useless?
So we should all have only one person with the votes on them at the end of the day?
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
September 29 2011 18:24 GMT
#2637
On September 30 2011 02:04 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2011 01:54 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Because Palmar was scummier obviously
I swapped to tunneling Palmar, my vote was on him day 3 up until near the end of it.

Every vote on a non-majority person is useless?
So we should all have only one person with the votes on them at the end of the day?


lol and yet you keep going back to TS, this was last night btw. I'm surprised that you say Palmer was "scummier" when you've been talking about TS, made the biggest case AGAINST TS, and continue to talk about TS as scum since day 1.

Show nested quote +
1) TranceStorm is the only person to have participated in all of them.
2) The mafia doesn't seem to be targeting the people who were in on the lynches.


Posted last night.

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On September 29 2011 01:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Oh I overlooked Drazerk and Kitaman27 being on all of them too...
Both Pyo and I haven't been on any, and if we disclude the third which most of the town was on, GGQ joins us.


Also posts this bullshit "I wasn't in any of them, I'm not scum." Only scum would feel the need to do this. Also you imply that you pyo and ggq weren't in them and thus have "townie points" but all of a sudden later:

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On September 29 2011 12:07 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On September 29 2011 11:21 chaoser wrote:
He also never actually gets on anyone as scummy and has been cruising through this game so far.

Since you are rather indirectly asking for the list of people I think are scum:
TranceStorm; there's a few reasons in my filter from day 1/2 and one last night.
Archon_Toilet; comes in sporadically, votes someone at almost random, leaves.
GGQ; comes in sporadically, seems to give it about 2% more thought than Archon and leaves again.


You post this right after Palmer flips, even though you thought palmer was scum. So either you read through the thread hella fast to reevaluate who the last three mafia are or you just pulled out three convinent people.


GGQ appeared alongside me in the hasn't last minute switched poll, and has done worse than Pyo this game. After Drazerk pointed out that Trance in fact wasn't the only person to be onboard every lynch, I made an excel sheet and pointed out interesting things I saw to raise discussion.
I admitted to that group looking the scummiest, which you conveniently overlook, and of Pyo and GGQ, I find GGQ worse, so he made the cut.

The four people that voted along side Radfield in both his lynches were:
TranceStorm
Drazerk
OriginalName
Kitaman27

And I'm willing to bet they aren't all town.
##Vote TranceStorm
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
September 29 2011 18:53 GMT
#2643
On September 30 2011 03:32 TranceStorm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2011 03:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On September 30 2011 02:04 chaoser wrote:
On September 30 2011 01:54 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Because Palmar was scummier obviously
I swapped to tunneling Palmar, my vote was on him day 3 up until near the end of it.

Every vote on a non-majority person is useless?
So we should all have only one person with the votes on them at the end of the day?


lol and yet you keep going back to TS, this was last night btw. I'm surprised that you say Palmer was "scummier" when you've been talking about TS, made the biggest case AGAINST TS, and continue to talk about TS as scum since day 1.

1) TranceStorm is the only person to have participated in all of them.
2) The mafia doesn't seem to be targeting the people who were in on the lynches.


Posted last night.

On September 29 2011 01:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Oh I overlooked Drazerk and Kitaman27 being on all of them too...
Both Pyo and I haven't been on any, and if we disclude the third which most of the town was on, GGQ joins us.


Also posts this bullshit "I wasn't in any of them, I'm not scum." Only scum would feel the need to do this. Also you imply that you pyo and ggq weren't in them and thus have "townie points" but all of a sudden later:

On September 29 2011 12:07 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On September 29 2011 11:21 chaoser wrote:
He also never actually gets on anyone as scummy and has been cruising through this game so far.

Since you are rather indirectly asking for the list of people I think are scum:
TranceStorm; there's a few reasons in my filter from day 1/2 and one last night.
Archon_Toilet; comes in sporadically, votes someone at almost random, leaves.
GGQ; comes in sporadically, seems to give it about 2% more thought than Archon and leaves again.


You post this right after Palmer flips, even though you thought palmer was scum. So either you read through the thread hella fast to reevaluate who the last three mafia are or you just pulled out three convinent people.


GGQ appeared alongside me in the hasn't last minute switched poll, and has done worse than Pyo this game. After Drazerk pointed out that Trance in fact wasn't the only person to be onboard every lynch, I made an excel sheet and pointed out interesting things I saw to raise discussion.
I admitted to that group looking the scummiest, which you conveniently overlook, and of Pyo and GGQ, I find GGQ worse, so he made the cut.

The four people that voted along side Radfield in both his lynches were:
TranceStorm
Drazerk
OriginalName
Kitaman27

And I'm willing to bet they aren't all town.
##Vote TranceStorm

First off, the first lynch doesn't prove anything at all. All 4 of the candidates were later shown to be townie - therefore, it doesn't prove or disprove scum motivations to change from one candidate to the other. Therefore, you'd have to expand your list a bit to look at the second lynch.

Funny enough, on the second lynch, you'd think that iGrok would have voted with Radfield if he was scum. Its convenient that his vote was on a Palmar as was yours.

Then why would Radfield bother changing it? Mafia wanted Errandorr dead for some reason.

On September 30 2011 03:32 kitaman27 wrote:
heh scum don't always vote together cyber. If anything, they try to spread their votes apart so they can't be connected to each other.

@rayn, who do you want to lynch and why?

@jcarl, you were pretty absent the previous lynch and didn't come in until the last minute to vote Palmar. Thoughts?


Sure they spread the votes out, but there's bound to be at least one mafia member.
Keep in mind that they were very late bandwagons. Mafia were more than likely not all around waiting for the countdown since none of them were on the line. It makes sense to have an accomplice, someone to keep in reserve if possible and just nudge the lynch in the right direction, without drawing focus.

The first one didn't mean anything?
In first one, he waits for the reaction to the response to see if it's safe to jump on board.
The 'edited content' wasn't even lied about, and he is the first person to mention it as such.
On September 19 2011 07:23 TranceStorm wrote:
Woahhh. Erandorr responded really really poorly to that pressure. Radfield's initial case against him was quite convincing, but his response to the pressure was to write a defense and then outright lie about the content that he edited. That is definitely the clearest sign of scum that we have had throughout this entire day. Therefore, I'll definitely be switching my vote as well onto Erandorr.


And he does it again with another late bandwagon day 2.

On September 22 2011 06:51 TranceStorm wrote:
Both Jackal and Palmar are really really similar in my eyes. Both of them post a ton of one-liners and haven't given really substantive analysis at all this game. Both of them always seem to do that in all of their games. However, Jackal hasn't voiced an opinion at all on the current candidates but continues to jump around calling everyone scum.

My vote will be going to Jackal right now.


Notice how he nudged people away from Palmar with the comparison, to make sure the one Radfield chose would be the lynched one?
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
September 29 2011 20:00 GMT
#2647
On September 30 2011 04:45 TranceStorm wrote:
Also I would like to bring attention to what else Cyber_Cheese does. He accuses me of being on all of the majority lynches. That is true. But notice that Cyber_Cheese is never on a single one. In 3/4 lynches, he votes for side candidates who he knows will not get lynched and will consequently paint him in a bad light. This seems very quirky to me - it seems very much like Cyber_Cheese wants to avoid the spotlight of having made a poor vote. The one time that Cyber_Cheese does vote for one of the top candidates for the lynch, he's voting for ON against iGrok.


There's only been a single majority lynch so far, and all three of the others were late swings in which TranceStorm had a participatory role.
He's been taking the votes late, looking to make sure it's safe to climb upon the wagon's and made sure he's voting with the majority to try to avoid suspicion by hiding amongst townies.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
September 29 2011 21:20 GMT
#2651
On September 30 2011 05:56 heist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2011 05:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On September 30 2011 04:45 TranceStorm wrote:
Also I would like to bring attention to what else Cyber_Cheese does. He accuses me of being on all of the majority lynches. That is true. But notice that Cyber_Cheese is never on a single one. In 3/4 lynches, he votes for side candidates who he knows will not get lynched and will consequently paint him in a bad light. This seems very quirky to me - it seems very much like Cyber_Cheese wants to avoid the spotlight of having made a poor vote. The one time that Cyber_Cheese does vote for one of the top candidates for the lynch, he's voting for ON against iGrok.


There's only been a single majority lynch so far, and all three of the others were late swings in which TranceStorm had a participatory role.
He's been taking the votes late, looking to make sure it's safe to climb upon the wagon's and made sure he's voting with the majority to try to avoid suspicion by hiding amongst townies.


Late swings in which his vote is unnecessary. Why would he do that unless he believed in the lynch as a townie?


If he raised evidence to vote someone else, he might have accidentally swung it back, and he could ensure he was on hand to swing it back in the right direction if it wavered.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
September 30 2011 00:14 GMT
#2654
On September 30 2011 08:16 kitaman27 wrote:
Cyber, I'm trying to decide if you are a scum or just a newbie. I'm not sure I understand your case on Trance. How is it a scum agenda for him trying to move votes away from Palmar? That fact that there hasn't really been any opposition kinda worries me. Heist and GGQ come in with 1 liners, jumping on you, and Pyo and rayn have been completely absent.

Could you please explain your thought process on day two and day three for not voting iGrok? Also, why were you unwilling to switch on day 4 to save me, after I basically confirmed myself as town? It might be time for a role claim considering it seems pretty likely you're going to get lynched today.


Radfield's agenda was to move votes to Jackal over Palmar, therefore whatever they were thinking, it's a scum agenda. I think the scum saw more potential for Jackal to pick up his game than for Palmar.

I was asleep during your presentation of evidence, I'm only awake now because I stayed back at work. As I've said multiple times, timezones were partially at fault for not last minute bandwagoning.

I'm Meriadoc Brandybuck, Hobbit of the Fellowship.
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Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
September 30 2011 20:12 GMT
#2707
On October 01 2011 05:01 heist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2011 04:50 GGQ wrote:
On October 01 2011 04:18 chaoser wrote:
You're right GGQ, I'm obviously still the SK and my real wincon is actually to kill everyone and it wasn't the same as Palmer's. Cause obviously I would be able to guess/know Palmer's wincon even though he first lied about it in the thread and I then posted his real wincon which then got proven by him leaving the game without my actually knowing anything about his wincon. Cool Story Bro. [/end sarcasm]

Also nice try at misdirection there by saying it's smarter to lynch me over Pyo, obvious scum #1.


I never said this. Feeling defensive?


There's no way we should be focusing on a 3rd party lynch anyways. Go for mafia or go for broke.

I'll post my thoughts on TS later. Although, honestly my basis is that at least 2 mafia voted for Jackal day 2. I don't know how reliable that is as a starting point, but I'll look through and see if there's anything more concrete than the stuff on pyo.


That and the plan to risk giving a ring to people you believe to be town are why I'm thinking it's him.
I mean, Radfield and DoctorHelvatica would have been likely have been major contenders for ring passing target if the plan had gone through.

On September 30 2011 10:34 kitaman27 wrote:
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On September 30 2011 10:20 heist wrote:
Actually, I'll be changing my vote to trancestorm.

Final Vote Count for the Jackal Lynch that saved iGrok day 2:

Greymist
chaoser
Radfield
Drazerk
raynpelikoneet
jcarlsoniv
TranceStorm
OriginalName

I'm almost positive there's at least one more mafia in here.


Could you provide a case against Trance, rather than just a voting list? What seperates him from rayn or jcarl?


The plan for the ring he made on day 1
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Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
September 30 2011 20:16 GMT
#2708
On October 01 2011 05:01 heist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2011 04:50 GGQ wrote:
On October 01 2011 04:18 chaoser wrote:
You're right GGQ, I'm obviously still the SK and my real wincon is actually to kill everyone and it wasn't the same as Palmer's. Cause obviously I would be able to guess/know Palmer's wincon even though he first lied about it in the thread and I then posted his real wincon which then got proven by him leaving the game without my actually knowing anything about his wincon. Cool Story Bro. [/end sarcasm]

Also nice try at misdirection there by saying it's smarter to lynch me over Pyo, obvious scum #1.


I never said this. Feeling defensive?


There's no way we should be focusing on a 3rd party lynch anyways. Go for mafia or go for broke.

I'll post my thoughts on TS later. Although, honestly my basis is that at least 2 mafia voted for Jackal day 2. I don't know how reliable that is as a starting point, but I'll look through and see if there's anything more concrete than the stuff on pyo.


I agree with that, assuming there is 3 mafia left and their kp is two, the sk (assuming there still is one) has a kp, so either way we take a kp off, the difference is the sk's kp can still hit mafia, or force a mafia roleblock -> medic isn't roleblocked.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
October 01 2011 03:28 GMT
#2754
lylo tomorrow probably
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
October 01 2011 09:48 GMT
#2756
If only there was a way to like posts...
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
October 01 2011 10:30 GMT
#2757
On October 01 2011 18:19 Drazerk wrote:
So I just found a dusty old ring on the corpse of a dead hobbit and now I have the ability to survive unlimited amounts of KP, not only this If I survive till the lynch I can res anyone who had voted for scum at any point in the game.

Lylo pffffft


So thus ressurection mechanic, one per day or any/all of them at your discreetion?
Multi-use?
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
October 01 2011 13:08 GMT
#2759
On October 01 2011 19:45 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2011 19:30 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On October 01 2011 18:19 Drazerk wrote:
So I just found a dusty old ring on the corpse of a dead hobbit and now I have the ability to survive unlimited amounts of KP, not only this If I survive till the lynch I can res anyone who had voted for scum at any point in the game.

Lylo pffffft


So thus ressurection mechanic, one per day or any/all of them at your discreetion?
Multi-use?


Once per day multi use ability, however people I res will be given a different role / alignment than they originally had and if I die my spirit will linger on and all players but myself will be resurrected each day resulting in a never ending game ( Unless the world radiation gets above 10 in which case I can't res any more as they just die instantly )


I'm sure we could make an epic game out of that...
Somehow.
Maybe if everyone was a compulsive veteran vigilante?
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
October 01 2011 13:14 GMT
#2760
Sister's birthday weekend is so busy...
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
October 01 2011 19:31 GMT
#2763
On October 01 2011 22:16 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2011 22:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Sister's birthday weekend is so busy...


and yet you still manage to have higher activity than most even if we are just mass trolling at this stage


I had to reach the activity limit
Hell if other people had been reaching it too the content might not even have been trolling :/
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
October 01 2011 22:26 GMT
#2770
On October 02 2011 06:09 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 05:29 GGQ wrote:
In fact, we had better have kp to kill mafia with or chaoser is going to win


Also, mafia shot me to kill me, and Drazerk is proof of that, so I don't see how this "chaoser is sk" thing works.


At the moment, we have your word that your a VT
I'm not sure how Drazerk's message reads, or if the heal comes before invulnerability if it applies

On October 02 2011 05:28 GGQ wrote:
archon_toilet, cyber_cheese, and perhaps heist for the last mafia? If anyone has a kp, direct it in that direction, please.


I'm not sure what your reasoning is on any of those, and I'd like to hear it.
I'll agree on Archon, my best logic is that he's a smurf of a good player and frankly he's been playing quite sub-par so far.
When he realised it was working that he could vote quasi-randomly, he found he didn't need to change it up and might win anyway.
I suspect you for a similar reason, especially because you gave out less opinions while doing it.
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