That's not the only argument, the role itself doesn't make sense. Neutral survivors don't have to kill townies to win and he doesn't even have to do that personally, making it even more nonsensical. Why does his role allegedly tell what happens if gets the ring when the ring has nothing to do with his role, he has no means of obtaining it besides his one shot which is supposed to be used on gandalf? Why didn't Sauron's role description say what happens if he gets the ring, when he even has an ability that allows him to search for it?

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Finland5948 Posts

September 22 2011 05:09 GMT

#1307

Sure, it's possible Curu made a really dumb role, but as with everything else in mafia, one thing is more likely than the other

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Finland5948 Posts

September 22 2011 05:12 GMT

#1308

And are you seriously saying his level of activity, ie lurking and being worthless, makes him a survivor rather than mafia/sk?

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Finland5948 Posts

September 22 2011 05:19 GMT

#1310

When you have to resort to speculating that maybe Sauron doesn't personally really want the ring, but is rather just assisting one of his henchmen to find it, it's perhaps better to just concede the argument

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Finland5948 Posts

September 22 2011 05:27 GMT

#1312

No, what I'm saying is that no role in the game is told what the ring does, until the ring is given to them or they obtain it by other means. Especially not a role that has absolutely nothing to do with the ring.

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Finland5948 Posts

September 22 2011 05:33 GMT

#1313

Heist by the way remember when you argued in WaW2 that The Pacifist Ocean was a legit claim? Good times

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Finland5948 Posts

September 22 2011 06:41 GMT

#1316

The answer is likely "no one" and I've no reason to answer the question given that I've no idea what you are going to do with this information. If you are miraculously a third party who isn't SK and truly wanted to help town, you wouldn't need me to answer that question. You said I don't have good judgment and then ask me to make such a decision for you? If the intention is to have this other person to unilaterally decide for you whom to shoot with your alleged ability, clearly you don't want to take responsibility if the target flips town.

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Finland5948 Posts

September 22 2011 11:06 GMT

#1325

Drazerk so how did you "know" that posting restrictions are in place? I'm still pondering as to how stupid I am willing a townie to be. If it was anyone but you, I'd be more inclined to believe that you are a scum medic, but the whole mess is such a bad move from scum perspective too.

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Finland5948 Posts

September 22 2011 11:11 GMT

#1327

Hey radfield at least that's better than townie hunting, which you have been doing so far. We had a guaranteed non-town who was clearly lying and passed lynching him purely based on him maybe not lying about some things ?! It's one thing to not lynch a guaranteed third party who we have no reason to believe is lying, and not lynching someone like igrok. Purely statistically it would have been optimal to lynch igrok over almost any player in the game.

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Finland5948 Posts

September 22 2011 11:25 GMT

#1328

Sandroba why are you not putting any effort into the game? Is it because you are scum/third party? Why did you flip flop about GGQ without stating your reasons? You wanted to keep the lynch between igrok and jackal and then suddenly wanted igrok to shoot GGQ?

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Finland5948 Posts

September 22 2011 11:48 GMT

#1329

And regarding igrok, it's hardly scum hunting via flavor and roles given that we were going to lynch him BEFORE his ridiculous claim. It's absurd to suggest him lying somehow made him worse lynch.

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Finland5948 Posts

September 22 2011 14:47 GMT

#1343

So predictably igrok is completely worthless at least if we pick the target for him, assuming scum has a roleblocker

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Finland5948 Posts

September 22 2011 16:09 GMT

#1360

lol

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Finland5948 Posts

September 22 2011 17:09 GMT

#1374

That makes sense actually

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Finland5948 Posts

September 22 2011 17:22 GMT

#1380

On September 23 2011 02:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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What makes sense? Drazerk?

And do you care to answer my question i stated before?

Drazerk does yes

And you are right about sandroba sort of being consistent as jeejee was modkilled (before that he found him scummy, so clearly he would have wanted to lynch/vig him next). Anyway, this still isn't townie sandroba play unless he is just extremely busy. If he was town he would by now be certain that I'm also town and he enjoys playing town with me, which likely would motivate him to post more. Extremely unconvincing reasoning for someone who doesn't know us, I admit.

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Finland5948 Posts

September 22 2011 17:35 GMT

#1382

Also I've been wondering about the hidden day vig, scum night kp and how medics appear to work. It would be an interesting mechanic if scum had only 2 night KP but they had a role that can day vig every day. Then it also makes sense for medic protection to last for the whole cycle, that is until day is over.

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Finland5948 Posts

September 22 2011 17:38 GMT

#1385

If my speculation above is correct, take a second look at night 1 hits and the fact chaoser "survived" a hit. Obviously this night and tomorrow will provide more information.

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Finland5948 Posts

September 22 2011 17:44 GMT

#1388

On September 23 2011 02:43 kitaman27 wrote:

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Arwen, the Evenstar has a post restriction? Could you clarify what made it go away?

I doubt he can talk about the specifics of his PR, but it's pretty likely that his protection only lasted from night 1 until day 2 ended, that is until the lynch

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Finland5948 Posts

September 22 2011 17:45 GMT

#1389

Which is also then when his PR ended