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On September 19 2011 13:25 sandroba wrote:
Yo WBG man, talk to me. Are you really 3rd party, and was that claim for real? Why are you putting so much effort into scum hunting if your only goal is to find the ring?
I don't really understand your play so far. You know what's funny, except for the part where you claim 3rd party you are actually one of my strongest town reads atm.
Also I believe Cyrandor claimed some interesting tidbits about prplhz and no one seemed to give a shit. Chaoser wtf man? Why didn't you look more into cyrandor's claim if prplhz was your main suspicion day1? Do you really think 2 mafia would tie themselves to each other day1 this easy?
ON and GGQ need to post more. These guys have the annoying habbit of lurking as both alignments so I never feel safe lynching them when they go into hardcore lurker mode. Could you please commit a bit more time this game so I can burn you alive if you are scum?
Palmar, you too man. Just because you roll scum 20x doesn't mean you are going to fool me by statistics again =P
Here is the post to be exact.
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On September 20 2011 23:52 Palmar wrote:
I think that's a bit of a stretch, mafia generally like killing people rayn, I like most everything else you're posting. We have no idea how many kp are actually in this game, could be a crazy amount. So what I'm saying is that your case on chaoser is not bad, but you can't base it around the assumption mafia held their shots.
@jcarl: sure, I played one game with you and you spent most of the time defending mafia and voting townies. I don't wanna be a dick though, so here's a hint: Re-read what you posted about my play.
It could've been a SK shot too, read my post above.
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I actually think I'm grasping too on this game. Though I might be horribly wrong. But we'll see. :D
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Syllo, what are your thought about sandroba? Do you think he is 100% town or can you even consider otherwise. If so, why?
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Oh noes. Got to go, just when I was on fire. I'll be back after ~5h, or then tomorrow ~17:00 CET. Think hard guys.
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On September 21 2011 22:14 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 22:06 prplhz wrote:
drazerk why not kill him today? you want to postpone the lynch to tomorrow? also why do you think he's gonna get killed anyway, as you stated on some previous post? We have better targets Not really if he's lying I'd rather a vigi take care of it. People are already shooting at him over the claim, some idiot will shoot him either Mafia before he has a chance to go through with his plan or a vigilante. If your going to ask about possible medics I'd rather they focus their attentions elsewhere.
What better targets do we have? And why would you give him +1 day, so when he knows at night he's gonna die tomorrow he can randomly shoot someone.
Also it's pretty much comfirmed he is not town, let it be 3rd party or mafia. At least I can't be sure which he is.
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I would be actually more interested finding mafia than a 3rd party, but as I see it we really have no choise this point but lynch iGrok. Or do we?
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On September 22 2011 01:46 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
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I feel like this whole case on iGrok is just mafia leading the lynch, because aside from his apparently senseless claim there isn't much on him. He could have just done what Palmar is doing right now and ignored anything that put him in a negative light, but he chose to come forward with his role, and now I believe the mafia are using the role claim to blind town from the questions we raise on them, the most notable of which being iGroks argument against Palmar attached to his role claim.
This is what I believe is happening too. iGrok also said in his big post that he finds sandrobas actions scummy, actually after that he said "if sandroba didn't look so damn scummy...".
iGrok, why do you find sandrobas actions scummy? imo he hasn't done any scummy actions (besides softly accusing DrH and then slowly drifted away from it).
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On September 22 2011 02:17 prplhz wrote:
am i the only one who thinks that it's weird that the dude straight up claimed in the face of 3 votes if he was 3rd party he could just have made an analysis and then we'd have backed off but he chose to make an inconsistent claim instead and now he is not talking at all. the dude is so scum.
This is a possibility that i consider, and this is why i see no way why we could let him live another night.
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On September 22 2011 02:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 02:17 prplhz wrote:
am i the only one who thinks that it's weird that the dude straight up claimed in the face of 3 votes if he was 3rd party he could just have made an analysis and then we'd have backed off but he chose to make an inconsistent claim instead and now he is not talking at all. the dude is so scum. But I don't understand, logically, why with only 3 votes, he would claim as scum.
I don't logically understand why he claimed at all.
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On September 22 2011 02:31 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 02:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On September 22 2011 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I would be actually more interested finding mafia than a 3rd party, but as I see it we really have no choise this point but lynch iGrok. Or do we? Vote for whoever you feel to be the most deserving of a lynch. This is not a majority required game, a no-lynch won't occur. Stop giving bad advice. If you have a good case, make it. If it doesn't take off, take a stance towards the other cases. If you think one of the cases is not terrible, vote for that, because townies voting random wagons that aren't working gives mafia statistically more sway in the vote.
True, also considering there is that one ring in the game. What if iGrok survived the shot cos of this line.
"I know what happens when I get the ring. I become Bulletproof."
Would it be wise for town not to vote him?
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On September 22 2011 02:49 Drazerk wrote:
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He lied about the editing which through me over the fence.
No.
Why is everyone saying Errandor lied about editing, when he clearly didn't?
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On September 22 2011 03:18 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2011 02:49 Drazerk wrote:
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He lied about the editing which through me over the fence.
No. Why is everyone saying Errandor lied about editing, when he clearly didn't? He said "oops, wrong thread" and when mig/curu posted what he edited out, it was a defense of himself. That doesn't seem very "wrong thread" to me.
He clearly thought he was posting to voting thread, which he stated after editing. That's clearly a BIG mistake, but by no means a lie.
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On September 22 2011 03:13 chaoser wrote:
iGrok's claim makes no sense as a mafia, it makes more sense as a third party trying to fulfill their wincon early. I'm ok with a jackal lynch. He's posting a lot in the pony thread, not a lot here. Everything else radfield has said. If wherebugsgo is a mafia hit then it makes sense for jackal to push for the ring to be given to wherebugsgo. WBG gets ring, dies to mafia.
##vote: Jackal58
That would be the eaasy way to explain WBG mafia hit.
Also Jackal's proposition to give the ring to WBG and see what happens don't seem scummy to me, it just gives a reason to mafia to kill WBG night 1 and push a lynch on Jackal day 2.
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On September 22 2011 03:57 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 03:55 Jackal58 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:37 chaoser wrote:On September 22 2011 03:25 kitaman27 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:13 chaoser wrote:
iGrok's claim makes no sense as a mafia, it makes more sense as a third party trying to fulfill their wincon early. I'm ok with a jackal lynch. He's posting a lot in the pony thread, not a lot here. Everything else radfield has said. If wherebugsgo is a mafia hit then it makes sense for jackal to push for the ring to be given to wherebugsgo. WBG gets ring, dies to mafia.
##vote: Jackal58 Could you explain how your opinion shifted from lynching igrok to letting him live in such a short amount of time? How did the claim go from scum to no sense as mafia? Also, what in specific about radfield's case makes you think jackal is scum? I never said he was scum. I was thinking how it was protactinium all over again (black role saying it would help town if town helped it) and voted him on a jerk-knee reaction. 5 minutes later I remembered that the way we dealt with the prot case was to just let him die and not wasting a lynch. We're here to lynch mafia, not waste time on third parties. A third party lynch is a lynch that mafia loves. They get to pile on to the vote with almost no repercussions since black role is "anti-town" and it also gets rid of a competitor. Let the mafia deal with it, I assume iGrok is balrog=SK since he's apparently bulletproof (syg day shot him). This part got me convinced: He also claims that he's fine with lynching either Prp or WBG and that both are scummy.
Although after prplhz's last post he is putting forth a 100% complete scum agenda. I'm ok with lynching either of them. (WBG or prplhz)
Yet later in the thread jackal makes two things very clear. One: WBG is very likely third party(pushes this multiple times) and Two: Jackal would vote for a scummy player but doesn't find anyone else scummy:
Oh the one where I thought lynching a 3rd party suspect was better than a mislynch? I can understand if there was a transition between the two but there wasn't. He goes from "I think prp is a good scum vote straight to "vote wbg!". What about you? Put it in the context it was posted in. On September 18 2011 21:44 Jackal58 wrote:
Then I suppose it's time for a paradigm shift Mr. jcarlsoniv.
Although after prplhz's last post he is putting forth a 100% complete scum agenda. I'm ok with lynching either of them. (WBG or prplhz) You've just flip flopped on iGrok and me. I guess that makes you scum. I posted my reasoning for the switch (he's probably third party, let mafia deal with him). You didn't.
He wins with mafia, why would mafia deal with him?
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I meant to say, at least that is what he claims.
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On September 22 2011 04:03 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2011 03:57 chaoser wrote:On September 22 2011 03:55 Jackal58 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:37 chaoser wrote:On September 22 2011 03:25 kitaman27 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:13 chaoser wrote:
iGrok's claim makes no sense as a mafia, it makes more sense as a third party trying to fulfill their wincon early. I'm ok with a jackal lynch. He's posting a lot in the pony thread, not a lot here. Everything else radfield has said. If wherebugsgo is a mafia hit then it makes sense for jackal to push for the ring to be given to wherebugsgo. WBG gets ring, dies to mafia.
##vote: Jackal58 Could you explain how your opinion shifted from lynching igrok to letting him live in such a short amount of time? How did the claim go from scum to no sense as mafia? Also, what in specific about radfield's case makes you think jackal is scum? I never said he was scum. I was thinking how it was protactinium all over again (black role saying it would help town if town helped it) and voted him on a jerk-knee reaction. 5 minutes later I remembered that the way we dealt with the prot case was to just let him die and not wasting a lynch. We're here to lynch mafia, not waste time on third parties. A third party lynch is a lynch that mafia loves. They get to pile on to the vote with almost no repercussions since black role is "anti-town" and it also gets rid of a competitor. Let the mafia deal with it, I assume iGrok is balrog=SK since he's apparently bulletproof (syg day shot him). This part got me convinced: He also claims that he's fine with lynching either Prp or WBG and that both are scummy.
Although after prplhz's last post he is putting forth a 100% complete scum agenda. I'm ok with lynching either of them. (WBG or prplhz)
Yet later in the thread jackal makes two things very clear. One: WBG is very likely third party(pushes this multiple times) and Two: Jackal would vote for a scummy player but doesn't find anyone else scummy:
Oh the one where I thought lynching a 3rd party suspect was better than a mislynch? I can understand if there was a transition between the two but there wasn't. He goes from "I think prp is a good scum vote straight to "vote wbg!". What about you? Put it in the context it was posted in. On September 18 2011 21:44 Jackal58 wrote:
Then I suppose it's time for a paradigm shift Mr. jcarlsoniv.
Although after prplhz's last post he is putting forth a 100% complete scum agenda. I'm ok with lynching either of them. (WBG or prplhz) You've just flip flopped on iGrok and me. I guess that makes you scum. I posted my reasoning for the switch (he's probably third party, let mafia deal with him). You didn't. He wins with mafia, why would mafia deal with him? He wins by SURVIVING. That's with either party, town or mafia. If he's bulletproof (which apparently he ISN'T anymore) then he would only die by being lynched. That makes it easier to ally with town so we wouldn't lynch him. At that time, I wrote that post based on the information then (he got shot, survived, he looked like he was lying in his claim).
Yeah, he wins with mafia TOO, so why would mafia kill waste a KP on him over townie? He can pick his side and he sure will pick a side that suits him best.
Also no townie can confirm 100% that iGrok actually isn't mafia.
On September 22 2011 04:05 syllogism wrote:
He is still claiming to be Balrog the Neutral Survivor who had to kill a townie (wait woops he doesn't even have to personally kill him despite having abilities specifically designed for it!) before he wins and then he can win with either alignment! And our win con is to purge all Evil so if Balrog isn't evil, well Curu really messed up
Also this. Something stinks about iGrok's claim for sure.
##Vote iGrok
iGrok i still would like to hear your response, why do you find sandroba scummy?
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On September 22 2011 04:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 04:17 chaoser wrote:
Yeah it's WIFOM but not all WIFOM is the same. Everything in the game is technically WIFOM, even someone pushing intensely for a mafia's lynch. This one literally makes no sense. Agreed, I don't think chaoser and iGrok are part of a scum team together. If he planned to bus his teammate, he would have kept his vote there. Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2011 04:03 chaoser wrote:On September 22 2011 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2011 03:57 chaoser wrote:On September 22 2011 03:55 Jackal58 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:37 chaoser wrote:On September 22 2011 03:25 kitaman27 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:13 chaoser wrote:
iGrok's claim makes no sense as a mafia, it makes more sense as a third party trying to fulfill their wincon early. I'm ok with a jackal lynch. He's posting a lot in the pony thread, not a lot here. Everything else radfield has said. If wherebugsgo is a mafia hit then it makes sense for jackal to push for the ring to be given to wherebugsgo. WBG gets ring, dies to mafia.
##vote: Jackal58 Could you explain how your opinion shifted from lynching igrok to letting him live in such a short amount of time? How did the claim go from scum to no sense as mafia? Also, what in specific about radfield's case makes you think jackal is scum? I never said he was scum. I was thinking how it was protactinium all over again (black role saying it would help town if town helped it) and voted him on a jerk-knee reaction. 5 minutes later I remembered that the way we dealt with the prot case was to just let him die and not wasting a lynch. We're here to lynch mafia, not waste time on third parties. A third party lynch is a lynch that mafia loves. They get to pile on to the vote with almost no repercussions since black role is "anti-town" and it also gets rid of a competitor. Let the mafia deal with it, I assume iGrok is balrog=SK since he's apparently bulletproof (syg day shot him). This part got me convinced: He also claims that he's fine with lynching either Prp or WBG and that both are scummy.
Although after prplhz's last post he is putting forth a 100% complete scum agenda. I'm ok with lynching either of them. (WBG or prplhz)
Yet later in the thread jackal makes two things very clear. One: WBG is very likely third party(pushes this multiple times) and Two: Jackal would vote for a scummy player but doesn't find anyone else scummy:
Oh the one where I thought lynching a 3rd party suspect was better than a mislynch? I can understand if there was a transition between the two but there wasn't. He goes from "I think prp is a good scum vote straight to "vote wbg!". What about you? Put it in the context it was posted in. On September 18 2011 21:44 Jackal58 wrote:
Then I suppose it's time for a paradigm shift Mr. jcarlsoniv.
Although after prplhz's last post he is putting forth a 100% complete scum agenda. I'm ok with lynching either of them. (WBG or prplhz) You've just flip flopped on iGrok and me. I guess that makes you scum. I posted my reasoning for the switch (he's probably third party, let mafia deal with him). You didn't. He wins with mafia, why would mafia deal with him? He wins by SURVIVING. That's with either party, town or mafia. If he's bulletproof (which apparently he ISN'T anymore) then he would only die by being lynched. That makes it easier to ally with town so we wouldn't lynch him. At that time, I wrote that post based on the information then (he got shot, survived, he looked like he was lying in his claim). Yeah, he wins with mafia TOO, so why would mafia kill waste a KP on him over townie? He can pick his side and he sure will pick a side that suits him best. Also no townie can confirm 100% that iGrok actually isn't mafia. On September 22 2011 04:05 syllogism wrote:
He is still claiming to be Balrog the Neutral Survivor who had to kill a townie (wait woops he doesn't even have to personally kill him despite having abilities specifically designed for it!) before he wins and then he can win with either alignment! And our win con is to purge all Evil so if Balrog isn't evil, well Curu really messed up Also this. Something stinks about iGrok's claim for sure. ##Vote iGrok iGrok i still would like to hear your response, why do you find sandroba scummy? If we use his ability and hit a scum, it puts us in a very advantageous position. Mafia might kill him in the hopes that he doesn't choose to use his kill.
Can you confirm 100% iGrok is not mafia?
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On September 22 2011 04:28 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you confirm 100% iGrok is not mafia? You are blue fishing so fucking hard right now
Yeah, sorry about that. I meant to say:
What makes you and Cyber_Cheese think iGrok would ally town over mafia?
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On September 22 2011 04:33 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2011 04:28 chaoser wrote:On September 22 2011 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you confirm 100% iGrok is not mafia? You are blue fishing so fucking hard right now Yeah, sorry about that. I meant to say: What makes you and Cyber_Cheese think iGrok would ally town over mafia? Town is the majority, his kill would end the game faster if it were to hit a mafia, and that brings his victory closer as well as ours.
Or then he can wait to the late game and see which side is more powerful. Right now mafia is doing far better then town.
And town still can't be sure he is not mafia, only mafia knows that.
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