EPTOn September 20 2011 10:48 chaoser wrote:
Will you be posting your thoughts kitaman27?
Will you be posting your thoughts kitaman27?
Yes.
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Palmar is contributing far less than I'm used to. This doesn't really match his town, nor scum meta. Last game in personality mafia, he was probably our most outspoken member and lead the town until a dt check got him lynched. Even so, there is no excuse to lurk even if it doesn't match his scum playstyle. Radfield is still alive, which automatically makes me weary considering his reputation. Sandroba, you called the day one lynch candidates completely horrible, yet you have failed to make a case for anyone else. It's real easy to say how awful people are without making a contribution yourself. You list the five names jackal/igrok/ggq/on/palmar and procede to vote Palmar. What makes Palmar stand out of those five? You say your vote is on Palmar unless someone convinces you with a case otherwise. How about you convince us with a case instead. DrH is playing far more defensive than normal. Now that you can't hide behind your third party suspicions, you will have to actually make a legit case on someone. I'm hoping to hear from you within the first half of the cycle. As I go through the player list, its not only the vets who aren't putting in enough effort. There are several players I'm having trouble remembering they are even in the game. Pyro, Drazerk, rayn, Vain, supersoft, GGQ. My lynch preference for today is chaos13. I'll share my case in a little bit. | ||
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On September 20 2011 11:11 chaos13 wrote: Hey hey, as I was reading through the thread I noticed something strange. I saw this and thought "Where did Sandroba say he would be gone...?" Turns out he didn't. Neither did anyone else. At least, not in the thread. Where did this information come from then? From the mafia QT. When a player has extra information that they shouldn't have... ##Vote kitaman27 So when one of kita or sandroba flips scum, we've got another confirmed red to go after. Hahahaha. Shaking in your boots? | ||
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On September 20 2011 11:14 chaos13 wrote: Yeah of course, you mention my name and I piss myself in terror. I suppose I should give you a chance to explain yourself though. On September 17 2011 03:01 sandroba wrote: Hey I'll be with no internet access until sunday afternoon, will that be ok? | ||
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On September 20 2011 11:20 chaos13 wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699&user=21688 Sandroba's filter. I don't see that post there, I don't see any edited posts, and the word "sunday" does not come up when I ctrl+f. I are confused. lol do you think I'm making that up or something? It's in the voting thread. But you knew very well sandroba publicly said he was going to be away. Or did you forget Ace pausing the game, which you were a part of and clearly following? Quit distracting me so I can write up a case :p You're welcome to share who your lynch preference is as well. | ||
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chaos13 If there was one word to describe chaos13's play so far it would be safe. He has contributed enough not to stand out as a lurker, yet hasn't provided any strong opinions that are meaningful. He is careful not to make any enemies in order to guarantee his survival into late game. Filter through his posts and take a guess at how many people he has accused of being suspicious. The answer is one. Throughout the entire sequence of events of day one, supersoft is the only person he has called out. Not once did he comment on the relevant day one bandwagons with prp, wbg, or erandorr. Did you not have an opinion regarding any of these players? Now take a look at the current vote count when he presents his "analysis": wherebugsgo-6 DoctorHelvetica Drazerk iGrok Pyo Jackal58 Erandorr prplhz-9 chaoser Greymist raynpelikoneet jcarlsoniv navillus heist TranceStorm Mr. Wiggles OriginalName supersoft-1 chaos13 Essentially what this means is that he would have to convince 8 other players to switch over to his cause within the few hours remaining in the lynch. A difficult task, but possible if he really believes in what he is saying. Upon posting his analysis, how hard did he push his case for others to rally to his cause? Not at all. In other words, he posted an analysis on a player he knew would not be lynched and had little interest in being lynched. After disappearing during the most important part of day one, he returns during the night with this gem, which is really what made me go back and take a better look at him: On September 19 2011 21:37 chaos13 wrote: Hey guys, sorry my activity level has been down, I've been pretty busy. Hopefully I'll be able to contribute more this week. I haven't had a chance to read the case(s) on Erandorr in much depth but whenever town flips as a lynch D1 there will be at least one scum on their wagon. Granted, this time around he was lynched with a very small percentage of votes so it's possible that they stayed away from it. Either way look at the vote lists of people who didn't get lynched and you'll find scum. Especially on WBG (assuming he is town or third party and not mafia himself) because that is an easy justification for mafia vote D1. He was being pretty much useless and this gives them a great excuse to vote for someone. Check out Dr.H, iGrok, and Jackal on that list. All three players should know better. Sorry I couldn't be around to do more than vote and leave again yesterday. I'll do my best to be more present in the future. To summerize: There may be scum on the Erandorr bandwagon. There may not be scum on the Erandorr bandwagon. There may be scum on other bandwagons. Now lets take a look at his main argument in the supersoft lynch: On September 19 2011 05:08 chaos13 wrote: .In fact, supersoft doesn't commit to any particular stance here. After feeling WBG was artificial, he could now be absolutely anything. This encompasses two different mafia characteristics in one: 1. Contradiction of opinion without new evidence 2. Non-committal wishy-washy stance These are the only posts with notable content from supersoft. He's scum. ##Vote supersoft You are in fact at fault for exactly what you've just called out supersoft for doing. You don't commit to any stance and dispaly a completely wishy-washy attitude. Guess what, you're scum ##vote chaos13 | ||
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On September 20 2011 12:05 sandroba wrote: Formating fail: Rofl kita, do you always play like this? You know for a fact I wasn't here day1 and that I couldn't do shit about who got lynched. Every wagon fliped town thus all candidates were wrong no? I'm voting palmar until HE gives me a good case that I can buy, because right now I don't have a clue about his alignment, but I know for a fact that he is more lurky as scum. You completely distorted my posts, but I've seen you do that as town aswell in ptp2. What's up with that? I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at. I'm not putting you at fault for not being here on day1. I'm saying you haven't made a case for anyone since returning. I do admit misreading you wanting him to give you a case, rather than someone. I'm just saying now that you're back, you should be expected to put in two days worth of effort for the day you missed and give us an analysis on some players, rather than picking from a list from five names. | ||
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On September 20 2011 12:13 chaos13 wrote: Hey guys. While attempting to read through the thread again to actually become a proper part of the game, after the fifth time my efforts petered off I realized that I just don't have the motivation to play a proper town game these days. Seeing as this is the third game I've replaced myself in recently, I'm gonna stop joining games until I sort myself out. I have no idea how long I'll be gone, but I promise that when I have the time and the inclination I'll be back here to play. Thank you guys so much for being here and making this a fun experience for me. Happy scumhunting in my absence. Was I that convincing? Not sure what to make of this :/ | ||
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I may have been wrong, but at least I'm trying to make a case towards someone. syllo, GGQ, supersoft, Vain, JeeJee, GreYMisT, rayn, cyber, iGrok, heist, Drazerk, Pryro....its as if they are all dropping by to make a post or two, maybe pushing a lynch half heartedly and then not posting again for another 12 hours or until someone brings them up. It's really hard to distinguish where one stands from another with their current activity. | ||
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On September 20 2011 22:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Kitaman, what do you think of my earlier post (about sandroba)? Until he makes a serious case on someone, he's not at the top of my town list. On September 20 2011 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: I meant to say chaoser posted his "thoughts" about DrH 30min AFTER he died. I think he is posting about how DrH played day 1, so we can use that to find other scum that may be connected. That's a pretty typical thing to do after a scum flips. On September 20 2011 23:24 syllogism wrote: The issue with chaoser being scum is that it's very unlikely that WBG was a mafia hit, so if they have the standard 3 kp, there is one KP missing and no one else has claimed a hit. I suppose it's possible mafia hit SK (the real gollum? would make sense for him to kill wbg I suppose and the flavor would fit) and thus he was free to claim the hit, but it's more likely that he really was hit. No way they double stacked prplhz or wiggles. What does not double stacking prplhz or wiggles have to do with the hit. That's basically saying there weren't 5 kp during the night. On September 20 2011 23:24 syllogism wrote: Yes, but that was a no flip game so I was hoping something more standard Try Salem. Do you intend to push Radfield/Palmar or anyone else within the next few hours? | ||
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On September 20 2011 23:24 syllogism wrote: The issue with chaoser being scum is that it's very unlikely that WBG was a mafia hit, so if they have the standard 3 kp, there is one KP missing and no one else has claimed a hit. I suppose it's possible mafia hit SK (the real gollum? would make sense for him to kill wbg I suppose and the flavor would fit) and thus he was free to claim the hit, but it's more likely that he really was hit. No way they double stacked prplhz or wiggles. Also, why is it very unlikely that WBG was a mafia hit? | ||
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On September 21 2011 05:11 heist wrote: First chance I got to be active since the night phase. I'll be reading through and posting my thoughts. But looking at the last comment, claiming is not going to do anything. Mafia all have safe claims. How do you know mafia all have safe claims? | ||
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On September 20 2011 12:18 chaos13 wrote: Although before I leave.. People you should trust: - Dr. H - TranceStorm - prplhz - Navillus (be skeptical, but I highly doubt he's scum) Watch out for Radfield If I had to guess, which one was his night one result, I would say he got a false godfather check on DrH. During the night, he brings up how the wbg bandwagon was an easy scum vote and suggests we take a look at DrH. The next day, he suddenly trusts DrH without providing any additional reasoning. If not him, then Radfield is probably the next most likely check, whom he never comments about until now. | ||
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On September 21 2011 06:53 kitaman27 wrote: Something I'm 100% shocked that nobody has brought up is the fact that chaos flipped Jack of all Trades. This means that he almost certainly had a day one check, watch, track, or gun check on someone. How could nobody mention this, considering he left us with the following list of players: If I had to guess, which one was his night one result, I would say he got a false godfather check on DrH. During the night, he brings up how the wbg bandwagon was an easy scum vote and suggests we take a look at DrH. The next day, he suddenly trusts DrH without providing any additional reasoning. If not him, then Radfield is probably the next most likely check, whom he never comments about until now. EBWOP | ||
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On September 21 2011 10:35 iGrok wrote: Why are you never around when other people are! >: O Are you ever going to post something or are you going to lurk the entire day away? | ||
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How about we don't give you the ring and you still submit to our Maia and nightkill targets? Also, if all non-town are given safe claims, what was the safe claim given to you that you can guarantee is not part of the game? | ||
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On September 21 2011 11:51 iGrok wrote: No. If a good enough case is made by someone I believe to be town, I'll use it then. But only a PM DT can make me use it no matter what. I'm not passing it off to popular vote because that's too easy to manipulate. Huh? What makes you think there is a pm dt in this game? | ||
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On September 22 2011 03:13 chaoser wrote: iGrok's claim makes no sense as a mafia, it makes more sense as a third party trying to fulfill their wincon early. I'm ok with a jackal lynch. He's posting a lot in the pony thread, not a lot here. Everything else radfield has said. If wherebugsgo is a mafia hit then it makes sense for jackal to push for the ring to be given to wherebugsgo. WBG gets ring, dies to mafia. ##vote: Jackal58 Could you explain how your opinion shifted from lynching igrok to letting him live in such a short amount of time? How did the claim go from scum to no sense as mafia? Also, what in specific about radfield's case makes you think jackal is scum? | ||
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