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On September 19 2011 06:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 05:37 Jackal58 wrote:On September 19 2011 03:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
Jackal is additionally suspicious because he says he knows how I play yet he seems to have completely forgotten my appearance in Ace's game.
I was hella scummy in Ace's game and I fucking flipped medic. I have my own reasons for WHAT I do, but that doesn't make me scum. Well sorry for giving you credit as some one I took to be a good player then. You played scummy as town in Aces game and lost it for us. And no I never said we should give you the ring AND lynch you. AND and OR are two completely different words with different meanings. I still stand by my statement. Who ever has the ring give it to him and get him out of here. He's playing for his own reasons. He doesn't give a shit about town. If he doesn't get it lynch him. He's useless. What makes you think that if WBG gets the ring, he and the ring will leave the game? Let's just say I have a rather...personal interest in this.
That is the norm for when a 3rd party meets their wincon. Unless he's a VI that ends the game if he get's lynched. And I can't believe Curu put this much effort into this set up to have it end like that.
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On September 19 2011 06:55 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 05:29 Navillus wrote:
Okay why on earth do we have 2 people attempting to start new wagons with like 3 hours until lynch, we are not lynching supersoft or erandorr today and if you leave your votes there for the lynch you'll be my first targets come tomorrow. We have tons of time left. Decide who you think is most scummy, nothing less. Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 05:42 Jackal58 wrote:On September 19 2011 05:18 prplhz wrote:
jackal, i don't have that kind of meta with you, i just know that you're a veteran and i think it's very often better to pressure a veteran to do sensible things that pressure a noob, 'cause a noob will most likely just dig a deeper hole for himself (hi, i'm prplhz, and since i started talking the votes have been piling up on me)
i like the erandorr analysis even though i think you're missing that scum we're most likely just sitting back enjoying the show while wbg shat the thread up. i have no idea who erandorr is and i'm having a hard time forming an opinion on him, i'm leaning town but as it is right now i'll have to vote to stay alive.
i think vain and chaoser are acting pretty weird right now, chaoser was on my back earlier and now he's suddenly on supersoft's back with a weak case looks like he's trying to distance himself from me What I have learned about my day 1 reads. 95% of the time I'm wrong. What I have learned about my day 3 reads. 75% of the time I'm right. That's why I die night 2. The only thing I'm fairly confident of right now is Bugs is most likely 3rd party. I'd rather lynch 3rd party than mislynch a townie. This is where we disagree. I would much rather mislynch a townie day 1 then kill a third party. I care ~1% about a third party(even a SK) at this point in the game, and even successfully lynching him tells us absolutely nothing about the mafia. Town should be looking for scum, why are you so desperate to find a third party? + Show Spoiler +Don't be afraid of being wrong on Day 1. It's really not that important, simply try your hardest every time to lynch scum, and try to keep the thread on track at the same time
Well if you really want my wrong read on the day it's Heist. Don't ask for a 10,000 word analysis. I don't have one. But if I was forced to pick one person out of the 30 odd we have here that aren't 3rd party or town it's Heist. Call it an issue with syntax. But every post of his I've read say "Hi I'm scum"
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On September 19 2011 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 05:37 Jackal58 wrote:On September 19 2011 03:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
Jackal is additionally suspicious because he says he knows how I play yet he seems to have completely forgotten my appearance in Ace's game.
I was hella scummy in Ace's game and I fucking flipped medic. I have my own reasons for WHAT I do, but that doesn't make me scum. Well sorry for giving you credit as some one I took to be a good player then. You played scummy as town in Aces game and lost it for us. And no I never said we should give you the ring AND lynch you. AND and OR are two completely different words with different meanings. I still stand by my statement. Who ever has the ring give it to him and get him out of here. He's playing for his own reasons. He doesn't give a shit about town. If he doesn't get it lynch him. He's useless. I did not lose it for town in Ace's game. I fucking protted a vig from a shot, then I role blocked the scum vig. You relied too much on your DT power which failed you miserably when you weren't willing to listen to reason. I even gave you a massive lead on Palmar, but you blew it because you relied on being a DT too much. Try to think your reads out rather than blame people. You need to listen to reason now. And since you're not reasoning, I suspect you're mafia. Finally, you haven't read the OP. No one can give me the ring right now! I've trapped all of you shitty posters with this, no one can give me the ring till night. So, fuck off and die. I missed the fucking vote. God fucking damn. You guys should've voted Jackal, the case on Erandor was terrible.
You're about as much fun to play with as a burning bag of catshit.
Replace me Curu.
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On September 19 2011 08:40 jcarlsoniv wrote:
How the FUCK did you miss the vote. You've been active this entire time.
He voted. He voted for me.
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On September 19 2011 09:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
I think the case on Jackal is still pretty strong. We should consider lynching him tomorrow.
Other people who stand out to me are Drazerk and Dr. H.
Palmar still needs to post more, I think I saw a couple by him but he doesn't normally lurk this much.
Sandroba will hopefully have internet tomorrow and will be able to weigh in on all of this. It's not a very good idea to lynch either of them unless they begin showing signs of harboring a scum agenda.
What case? Oh the one where I thought lynching a 3rd party suspect was better than a mislynch? Or the one where I'm supposed to be some sort of mafia messiah and I haven't delivered you to the promised land yet?
Mig convinced me to stay btw. <3
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On September 19 2011 10:06 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 09:57 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 19 2011 09:52 Jackal58 wrote:On September 19 2011 09:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
I think the case on Jackal is still pretty strong. We should consider lynching him tomorrow.
Other people who stand out to me are Drazerk and Dr. H.
Palmar still needs to post more, I think I saw a couple by him but he doesn't normally lurk this much.
Sandroba will hopefully have internet tomorrow and will be able to weigh in on all of this. It's not a very good idea to lynch either of them unless they begin showing signs of harboring a scum agenda. What case? Oh the one where I thought lynching a 3rd party suspect was better than a mislynch? Or the one where I'm supposed to be some sort of mafia messiah and I haven't delivered you to the promised land yet? Mig convinced me to stay btw. <3 The one that involves you telling people to give me the ring day 1 (when it's outlined in the OP that the ring may only pass hands at night) and also to lynch me at the same time, coupled with the fact that there were likely multiple scum on my wagon, meaning if I were to receive the ring (and not die) and then be lynched the ring would be sent to one of my voters. AKA scum. That case. I would like to know why you said that as well Jackal. Did you not read the OP or something?
Ya I read it. A week ago. My bad.
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On September 19 2011 10:12 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 10:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On September 19 2011 09:57 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 19 2011 09:52 Jackal58 wrote:On September 19 2011 09:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
I think the case on Jackal is still pretty strong. We should consider lynching him tomorrow.
Other people who stand out to me are Drazerk and Dr. H.
Palmar still needs to post more, I think I saw a couple by him but he doesn't normally lurk this much.
Sandroba will hopefully have internet tomorrow and will be able to weigh in on all of this. It's not a very good idea to lynch either of them unless they begin showing signs of harboring a scum agenda. What case? Oh the one where I thought lynching a 3rd party suspect was better than a mislynch? Or the one where I'm supposed to be some sort of mafia messiah and I haven't delivered you to the promised land yet? Mig convinced me to stay btw. <3 The one that involves you telling people to give me the ring day 1 (when it's outlined in the OP that the ring may only pass hands at night) and also to lynch me at the same time, coupled with the fact that there were likely multiple scum on my wagon, meaning if I were to receive the ring (and not die) and then be lynched the ring would be sent to one of my voters. AKA scum. That case. I don't understand. Are you saying scum voted for you because they thought someone would give you the ring so they could get the ring when you got lynched and thats why me and drazerk voted for you No, I'm saying scum were already voting me. Jackal tried making up a reason to vote me and it failed pretty hard.
I just think we're all better off without you and the ring in the game.
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Alright, it's night time now. Give Bugs the ring and get him out of here.
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My vote on Bugs stayed because I don't like him. Or more accurately I don't like how he plays.
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You guys think I'm scum because Bugs played a lame game?
If he didn't scream 3rd party to you you're lying.
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On September 20 2011 18:10 Pyo wrote:Just caught up with the thread. My comments/responses so far... WBG was predictably lying about his claim, although I guess it was too ridiculous for anyone other than Palmar to have been claiming a role/post restriction like that as scum. Speaking of Palmar, I find his lack of participation in the thread to be very curious... I've played 3 games with him, one with him as mafia, one with him as an 3rd party and one with him as town and in all 3 he was in everyone's face about everything... Basically, what I'm trying to say is that he's out of character independent of his alignment, so his odd behavior is kind of a NULL tell. I'm a little suspicious of radfield to be honest his analysis seems too good and too "correct." I'm mostly referring to this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11445752, but others as well. I won't advocate lynching him in case he really is that good (mafia will likely kill him soon if he's actually town), but I'd warn against reading too much into his assertion that people who stuck with their day 1 votes are automatically more scummy than the people that switched... feels like a convenient way for scum to sheep votes onto people. (Note, I'm town and I kept my vote on bugs because I felt like he was lying/being deceptive about his role claim/posting restriction... which he was) And to respond to ON ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699¤tpage=41#814: bugs most certainly did indirectly claim his role in this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699¤tpage=17#331Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 05:05 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 17 2011 17:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
does your role require you to shitpost or is it just something you do for fun I think the answer to that one is obvious. On September 17 2011 19:22 xtfftc wrote:On September 17 2011 13:37 chaos13 wrote:On September 17 2011 10:35 xtfftc wrote:On September 17 2011 09:32 Radfield wrote:
Posts like this(mine) should not be given consideration when you are trying to determine a players alignment. They definitely should be. As a side note, it would be rather fun if WBG is indeed Gollum and part of his role is asking for the ring in every single post he makes. And I know I just said that theorycrafting gets us nowhere near to catching mafia but I can't help myself. This guy is good. Real good. + Show Spoiler + If that's not claiming, I don't know what is. Obviously, at the time I had no idea that Dr. H was scum... not sure what to make of bugs now - if it even matters.
You didn't get caught up to shit scummy. Bugs is dead.
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On September 20 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 19:02 Palmar wrote:On September 20 2011 19:02 Palmar wrote:
prplhz should probably give the ring away to his strongest townread. I'd go with one of Radfield, Sandroba, myself and pyo. Derp... prplhz said he doesn't actually have the ring. In any case, if you're lying, you should consider giving it away. btw, Sandroba is almost definitely town, but only if he takes his vote off me. I'm basically confirmed town from my exchanges with DrH, but only people like sandroba/syllo etc will see it. We need to keep an eye on syllo... yarly. chaoser is also very likely town. I don't like the smell of iGrok and Kita...
If you are guaranteed town I'm the Virgin Mary dude.
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On September 20 2011 17:30 iGrok wrote:
Give me the ring.
Don't even start.
Palmar - What exactly were you trying to prove with your day 1 BS?
Prplhz - Were you implying before about your hit that it came from a vig? If you were why do you think that? I'd guess if a vig shot he shot Bugs.
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Mr. Heist
On September 17 2011 09:19 heist wrote:
To be honest, any talk of neutral factions is kind of pointless at this point. We have no idea what they are capable of even if they exist, and quite frankly even if there are 3rd parties, we should be focusing on scum, and scum only, right now. So please no more talk about which LOTR might be neutral aligned.
But while I'm on the topic of pure speculation, I believe the ring belongs to someone in the town or a neutral faction. It seems to make sense balance-wise and lore-wise. It starts off with the hobbits, a good faction. Sadly any game with items seems to get sidetracked into pointless discussion. For now, if you have the ring, congrats. Don't give it up and don't reveal yourself.
Nice bandwagon you got started there chaoser. I don't agree with it but hey, pressure is pressure.
First post. Let's quell discussion.
On September 18 2011 02:35 heist wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 09:33 Vain wrote:On September 17 2011 09:26 Drazerk wrote:On September 17 2011 09:19 GreYMisT wrote:On September 17 2011 09:04 Drazerk wrote:On September 17 2011 08:56 chaoser wrote:Let's get this game started! As always, some general advice: 1) Town should stay focused. A few talking points should dominate a day cycle but never so many that it's basically everyone posting suspicions on everyone else, leading to "post-by-post analysis" of 5+ people. A disorganized town is a plus for the mafia.
2) Don't rely on power roles. Assume we have none and go from there.
3) Personally I like a bit of civility but I do understand some people like to be aggressive and it has it's uses. But let's keep the atmosphere positive instead of negative. Negative atmosphere will be detrimental to town play and at the end of the day that isn't good. Point 3 in particular should be on everyone's mind. Palmer really messed town up in the previous game by basically making Day 2 a huge mess with over-aggression and spam. And then basically the only reason mafia was lynched in that game was due to blue power, breaking point 2. Let's NOT bank on blues to win the game this time. Also, ##vote: Greymistasking for the ring outright? tsk tsk. My steel and iron comes for you. I agree with this. ##Vote: Greymist Well looks like I succeeded in getting discussion going. Out of the three people who voted for me immediately, only Dr. H and chaises gave a good reason. Daz, any other reason rather than "I agree," or is your vote a sheep vote? I actually had stated my reasons regarding the ring earlier I just didn't vote for you then. On September 17 2011 08:53 Drazerk wrote:On September 17 2011 08:41 GreYMisT wrote:On September 17 2011 08:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
From the looks of the OP there will be more than one faction in this game. I don't know much about LoTR lore actually. Are there any neutral characters/factions that might make sense in the context of the game?
I know Tom Bombadil was kind of a neutral figure right? He was just concerned about his forest or whatever The only neutral figures I can think of (I havnt watched/read LoTR in a long time) are possibly Golom/Smeagal or the Ents. I feel our best course of action day one has got to be to have whoever is in possession of the One Ring to come out of hiding and give it to me. I'll take good care of it. No one should just get given the ring especially this early in the game. We should use it in the same fashion that the hallows was used in PTP2. How the fuck is that a reason? Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 20:13 Vain wrote:On September 17 2011 19:23 xtfftc wrote:
Also, none of the currently discussed lynch targets are viable. They are all easy ones. I'd rather go for a random lynch out of the remaining players. Well who do you suggest then? Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 21:25 Vain wrote:On September 17 2011 20:57 prplhz wrote:
So if the ring bearer is lynched the ring goes to a random person who voted for him. This will encourage all scum to all vote for the person who is most likely to get lynched, so scum will have a bigger chance of procuring the ring. This makes it twice as important to have at least two candidates with as many votes as each other. So you mean we should get 2 targets and let scum decide who gets the lynch? Sounds like a plan These kind of posts are exactly what we can't allow to just slide by. You are just posting aggressive little one-liners that aren't exactly contributing much to town discussion. If you disagree with someone, I would ask that you flesh out your ideas more and provide your thoughts on specific players. Most of his posts prior to this were also 1 liners.As a side note, the reason we want at least two majority candidates is it forces everyone to make a choice. If we have just one easy target everyone votes for, we will gain absolutely no information based on the lynch since everyone voted the same. Being forced to choose creates liability and patterns will start to emerge that can be worked with. If the situation is 1 townie and 1 scum on the chopping block, and the mafia try to swing majority votes for the townie, that's a lot of information that we can use.
Clearly pushing for two bandwagons is a scum play. I don't care who you are or how you slice it
at the end of the day we want one candidate. Not two. We don't want to look to see who hammered the townie. We want to prevent that from happening. His proposal screams "Let's get two players wagoned so me and my buddies can hide all over the place.
On September 18 2011 03:14 heist wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 02:40 Jackal58 wrote:On September 18 2011 02:39 Jackal58 wrote:
And it they're both townies what does that tell us? That was to Heist. His proposal is so pro mafia it's not even funny. It's none worse in having two townies closely leading the vote and one townie a clear frontrunner. Obviously it's not the ideal situation to find oneself in and that's why we all work tirelessly to make sure this doesn't happen. If two townies are leading the votes, town is doing something wrong.
This syntax bothers me.
On September 18 2011 19:31 heist wrote:
Gone the entire day and just found out I forgot to place my vote on Navillus. Oh well. I no longer feel like he's scum based on his subsequent responses, just a townie with some bad decisions.
WBG, DrH, and Drazerk are terrible lynches right now. WBG is definitely the easy lynch right now and most likely NOT SCUM. DrH is arguably one of the most active and most town player we have right now. Frankly, the justifications for Drazerk are weak, really really weak.
However without much better alternative, I'm liking Syllogism's plan for now. No more lurking from those that could be such an asset to the town. I will go ahead and double that pressure.
##Vote: Jackal58
Defense on DrH and an OMGUS on me.
On September 19 2011 05:58 heist wrote:
The case against Erandorr is better than against you, prplhz. Different mindsets, but I'd rather we lynch you or Erandorr than someone whom we all believe isn't mafia (WBG). The last thing I want is enough people switching their votes from you to Erandorr to place WBG in the lead for the lynch. If enough people switch over, I'll be sure to check back in at least once (hopefully) before the end of day to make the switch.
Realizes I am most likely not going to get lynched. Changes to Prplhz but likes Erandorr better. But likes both townies better than a possible 3rd party. This guy is scum.
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On September 21 2011 01:36 syllogism wrote:
I don't understand what's going on with this cipher. Assuming the intention isn't just to mislead, there is no reason to voluntarily post an anonymous message in code, especially something that short. Thus if we assume the source of the message is a townie, it would have to be some sort of information role result. If that is the case, obviously the role has to have a posting restriction that prohibits him from talking about it, or perhaps simply doesn't know how to solve it either. The message structure and word length indicates the message could say [player X] is [alignment]. However, the first word is 6 letters long and none of the names match if it's a substitution cipher. Similarly replacing the last four letters with TOWN or SCUM doesn't get you anywhere, as doesn't replacing the two letter word with 'is'.
You're assuming each word uses the same substitution pattern. Doesn't have to be that way. It could be Boolean or a Fibonacci progression.
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On September 21 2011 07:16 TranceStorm wrote:
Besides the the apparent scumminess of iGrok / Jackal, a player that has seemed to slip right through the cracks to me has been supersoft.
Other than my disdain for the way WBG was apparently trolling the game what scumminess are you talking about?
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I'm also loving how people are showing up right after an FoS.
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On September 19 2011 05:58 heist wrote:
The case against Erandorr is better than against you, prplhz. Different mindsets, but I'd rather we lynch you or Erandorr than someone whom we all believe isn't mafia (WBG). The last thing I want is enough people switching their votes from you to Erandorr to place WBG in the lead for the lynch. If enough people switch over, I'll be sure to check back in at least once (hopefully) before the end of day to make the switch.
On September 21 2011 06:30 heist wrote:
5. Yeah because I totally knew both were townies. I had no good scum reads day 1. I made it abundantly clear that my priority for lynching was purely based on who could most likely be mafia, not who is most likely not town from the leading candidates.
You're so scummy it's not even funny.
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Proof is hard to come by in this game.
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On September 21 2011 11:52 kitaman27 wrote:
Why on earth should town consider giving you the ring? Assuming your claim is true, why should we care whether you are bulletproof or not? You don't share the town win condition, so if push comes to shove, you'll side with mafia late game. If they want to kill you at night, then that's no loss to town. In fact, that would be ideal for town.
How about we don't give you the ring and you still submit to our Maia and nightkill targets?
Also, if all non-town are given safe claims, what was the safe claim given to you that you can guarantee is not part of the game?
This
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