My Little Pony Mafia

On September 08 2011 05:14 Sevryn wrote:


Clearly this is an omgus while trying to apear well reasoned obv scum tell
##vote forumite

On September 08 2011 14:42 wherebugsgo wrote:


##vote Sevryn

Changing meta

On September 11 2011 07:20 Forumite wrote:

There, there, you´ll get your Cutie Mark Role-PM soon enough.

GM hasn´t confirmed when the game starts, so might be tomorrow.

On September 11 2011 22:47 Forumite wrote:
http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/Doctor_Whooves
There are a few other instances where the fans have chimed in and gotten their way, Ditzy Doo is the first one that comes to mind.

As for your edited post, I saw it before the edit and I´m glad you removed it.

On September 13 2011 09:15 Forumite wrote:

Policy sounds good, although there haven´t been much so far. That´s not the problem I had with your post, my problem was that it seemed like you liked how we had played thus far, when it had been just spam and ponies. Don´t congratulate Town on inactivity and lurking.

On September 13 2011 22:15 tnkted wrote:
Eh, I'm not buying the forumite lynch. His initial statements were pretty lame, but he's been acting like an unjustly accused town since then.

I want to shift town conversation back to Greymyst.




Now I wanted to wait until after the nightpost to say this, but jackie beat me to it. This is a crazy scummy post. Its sheepy, and its a poor attempt to blend in with everyone, etc.

His response to the pressure everyone gave him was this:
Not much to say about my post here, as I defended it below. In short I felt this post was a better idea than spam or not posting at all.



Okay, lets look at the appeals he makes here. He doesn't try to defend his scummy post at all; instead he appeals to the emotional ("Would you rather I didn't post at all?") and then basically restates his first sentence. This is NOT how you react to pressure. A true townie would read their post and either say, "That wasn't scummy at all!" Or they'd defend themselves and explain what they meant. Greymyst did neither.

I have to disagree with you here. How am I not defending myself here? I state the reason behind my post before. The phrase "would you rather I didn't post at all" was not an appeal to emotion, but rather an actual statement of the fact that I feel it is better to post than not at all.


Oh, and then the rest of his posts are all about the d1 post and the clues it might contain, which successfully shields him from having to hunt for scum.

I have never played a game with clues, so maybe I am overemphasizing their importance to the game, but GMarshal stated that that might give us an insight into game mechanics and the possible settup, which I felt would be pretty important when we dont know either.

## Vote Greymyst

On September 14 2011 04:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
So you want us to lynch into this list:

Lurkers

6.) DroneAllDay
9.) OriginalName
11.) sinani206

If and only if we don't have a more active, scummy target?

On September 13 2011 14:14 sinani206 wrote:
Can someone who watches the show explain what Nightmare Moon is? It might be useful to help solve whatever is hidden in the post, something like the roles or numbers of the mafia.

On September 13 2011 23:10 sinani206 wrote:
Goddamnit you guys.

7/13 = 53.85%

nubs

On September 13 2011 23:10 sinani206 wrote:
(it takes 7 to lynch not 8)

On September 14 2011 09:40 chaos13 wrote:
Let's back up the sinani wagon here. Look how fast this built up. Not mafia.

And
##unvote

Forumite responded like town and there's no way he's gonna be lynched today. My vote is useless on him.

On September 14 2011 10:49 chaos13 wrote:


Ctrl+F sinani on Page 15. You were even talking about him, so I don't know how you could have missed that lol

On September 13 2011 23:10 sinani206 wrote:
(it takes 7 to lynch not 8)

On September 14 2011 11:16 sinani206 wrote:

This is a pressure vote, to prompt an answer to my question, "Why lynch a lurker if we have a perfectly good other lynch candidate?"

I don't understand why other people can pressure vote me, but I can't pressure vote others.

On September 14 2011 10:30 sinani206 wrote:

Anyway, I don't think we should have backed off of the pressure on Forumite when we started talking about lurkers. We had a lynch candidate before, but now we want to lynch lurkers. What? Lurkers are supposed to be the last priority lynch.

On September 14 2011 13:06 sinani206 wrote:


The Forumite lynch is long gone, I was just using that as an example of my point.

On September 14 2011 12:51 sinani206 wrote:


Forumite.

Curu, you're a fucking idiot by the way.
I just want you to die ASAP.

##Unvote
##Vote: Curu

On September 12 2011 14:48 sinani206 wrote:
sorry im terrible gg

On September 17 2011 11:01 wherebugsgo wrote:


Why don't you tell us?

This sudden claim stuff is hella shady to me. It came at a really strange time of day, and it's not making any sense yet other than Jackal "confirming" tnkted as town.

I find it weird that it's been put out there that tnkted is town but there's almost no explanation as for why or how. If you actually are town you'll get shot for sure (which is just dumb to me, idk why you would do that) and if you're not it makes sense as a gambit to get another mislynch today and get us closer to mylo.

On September 17 2011 11:16 wherebugsgo wrote:


I don't think you can tell either way.

Either they're both townies, and Jackal knows something about tnkted so he's trying to prevent him from getting lynched. Or they're both mafia making a gambit to gain towncred. Look how fast half the town believed tnkted.

What's weird to me is that tnkted seems to know how Jackal knows he is town. This makes very little sense to me, since certainly tnkted would back up Jackal when Jackal is defending him, but then why would tnkted push Jackal to explain it, in a way that seems as if tnkted already knows HOW Jackal knows?

It just doesn't add up to me.

On September 15 2011 10:34 DroneAllDay wrote:
well damn I decided to read the thread more (I'll be honest, i skimmed cuz i was afraid the vote was coming soon and I figured that i needed to vote then) filtering Curu's posts and not looking at them at 6:30 A.M. well that vote was how you say really REALLY+ Show Spoiler + dumb Sorry about that, thankfully my classes are gonna be lighter for now so I won't be doing this again. So with that, reading(NOTE: NOT SKIMMING) this time Nisani has too many posts with too little content (some of nothing useful and others of agreement)











and wherebugsgo found this which I find interesting


and so with that



##UNVOTE
##Vote:Nisani201

On September 15 2011 02:52 Nisani201 wrote:
I am going to Unvote: Curu. I feel like we were all just arguing while scum watched and laughed. IMO there would have been more people in the conversation if one of us were scum.

I will move my vote over to wherebugsgo, because he was perfectly active until we started arguing. He has posted no opinions on it because he doesn't feel the need to; he can afford for any of us to die. He simply comments on the same things that Curu has been bringing up, which is "Sinani played horribly in Ace's game, so we should lynch him."

##Vote: wherebugsgo

On September 14 2011 12:26 Nisani201 wrote:

This post is very much bullshit. So much so, that I will be putting my vote on you. This kind of behavior is anti-town.

##Vote: Curu

On September 18 2011 04:50 Curu wrote:
GreyMisT can you explain your reasoning? If you believe their claim, you should believe they are Townies. Yet you say you feel like WBG knows what's going on, which following your belief would mean he knows they're Townies, but he's not being honest about it and trying to get them lynched? So we should back off him too?

Say what?

On September 18 2011 10:29 Nisani201 wrote:
I dunno, all I can do is confirm that Forumite does indeed have an Element of Harmony, and it was obtained on D1.

On September 14 2011 19:55 Lucidity wrote:


Essentially this post served two purposes:

• Introducing the idea of really attempting to lynch a lurker today. Getting a feel for our willingness to follow such a strategy with the last sentence.
  
• Discrediting the cases brought forward so far.

Lynching lurkers should be a last resort. Going after lurkers (and by lurkers she actually means INACTIVES) allows scum to not offer any opinions and simply sheep onto an easy vote. This is not an ideal situation to say the least.

She discredits the cases against Forumite and Greymist, by simply saying that she doesn't like post by post analysis and that she thinks townies are accusing townies. Could you explain why you think townies are accusing townies dreamflower? You offer no reason to doubt the case based on actual discussion points. Simply "oh I'm unconvinced".



Note the displeasure when she sees that someone else voted Forumite. So instead of waiting for other's opinions on the LaL strategy she proposed, she goes ahead with it to try and divert attention away from real scum hunting by voting for DroneAllDay.

Look at the reasoning in that post.

She is visibly upset with another vote on Forumite.
She thinks his defense is inept.
But somehow he does not deserve any attention.
Instead she "guesses" she'll vote for DroneAllDay.

Point? She's defending Forumite with no real reasoning. She puts her vote on an inactive, not a lurker.



The part highlighted in red essentially explains why ON is where her vote should be. DroneAllDay is an inactive, which she doesn't want to go for. She wants lurkers, and ON is one. Yet her vote stays on DroneAllDay. She dedicates an entire paragraph to explaining why DAD is a bad vote, and then doesn't change it.

Then she goes on to try and push the LaL objective. We shouldn't be lynching for information. DEFINITELY not on Day 1. We should be hunting scum. Lynching lurkers (inactives) is not scum hunting. It doesn't give us any information, which you think is important? Yet you still advocate lynching lurkers. Going after "real" targets actually DOES offer us information ito voting patterns, defenses e t c . Not that, that is our first priority, but it blows your LaL policy out of the water.

tl;dr

Defends Forumite and greymist with no reasoning.
Pushes anti-town objective of lynching inactives instead of scum hunting.

(Note that she really means inactives when she says lurkers, even though she indicated otherwise. Her posts make that clear enough.)

On September 18 2011 18:32 Lucidity wrote:
##Vote wherebugsgo

I'll post my reasoning later when I get home. His angar like in the post above is one of the reasons.

Am I the only one not in a PM circle? Fuck that shit.

Also, dreamflower is on course to get modkilled?

On September 19 2011 06:33 Lucidity wrote:
Are you fucking with me?

She has been completely inactive. I haven't seen scum being modkilled before so I put it on hold. I'm pretty sure the replacement is for her. She has had scummy ideas wrt lurkers and no lynch, but WBG is much more scummy imo.

You're willing to lynch me because I'm not going after an inactive player? That's terrible.

How am I more scummy than WBG? Explain this to me please. WBG's role as tracker only explains his tunneling of one candidate on his last day. The rest of his play was not influenced by that. WBG voted for tnkted AND jackal while he apparently believed their claim. Explain this to me. WBG forgot when he received the element of harmony. Explain this to me. !@$^&@#^ WBG repeatedly pointed out how scummy sinani was, but "never supported the lynch". EXPLAIN THIS TO ME.

Forumite SKIMMED MY ANALYSIS. SKIMMED. What the fuck is that. This is retarded.

If you're town, how can you possibly think your contribution is passable greymist?

On September 18 2011 18:32 Lucidity wrote:
##Vote wherebugsgo

I'll post my reasoning later when I get home. His angar like in the post above is one of the reasons.

Am I the only one not in a PM circle? Fuck that shit.

Also, dreamflower is on course to get modkilled?

On September 19 2011 06:43 Lucidity wrote:

No substance? Top of page 38. !#&($^*@^#(%@#&%*!@%#&^%

Why would you think I'm trying to discredit a "confirmed townie" in your eyes WHEN YOU DIDN"T TRUST HIM AT THE TIME? That doesn't add up.

I'm completely amazed.

Perhaps Forumite is WBG's scumbuddy after all.

On September 19 2011 06:49 Jackal58 wrote:
I'm thinking Lucidity is probably town. I think he's wrong but right now I'm thinking he's probably town.
Sevryn, Curu and Cyber_Cheese need some love though.

##VOTE: Sevryn

On September 19 2011 09:10 Jackal58 wrote:

Nope. Have not changed a thing. If my lynch helps to secure a town victory I'm all for it.
Of Forumite, WBG, and Lucidity at least 1 is definitely scum if not 2 of them. I personally see it as most likely 1 atm. If WBG flips town I don't know yet which of the other two is going to flip scum but one of them will.

On September 19 2011 09:21 tnkted wrote:
Ugh that clears up a lot. Rereading thread.

FTR I'd rather not lynch jackal because he's the only other townie I feel 100% on

On September 19 2011 08:33 Lucidity wrote:
Ok I need to go to sleep now.

If I end up being lynched it should be easy to find the scum on me.

tnkted has refused to respond to my defense of his analysis on me. He has called me "very town" but still thinks I should be lynched. If he is considered a good player, his play has been very bad this game. Since Day 2 I have operated under the assumption that he was just a derping townie, but if he is actually pushing an agenda and I get lynched I don't think we should discount the possibility that he gambited by giving his element to Jackal.

If Forumite ends up on my lynch he is easily scum. Please look at my posts regarding him in the early game and chaos' case against him. Since Night 1 Forumite has only posted Fluff and talked about the elements. His only attempt at scum hunting was an extremely weak case against me. He has now stated that he doesn't believe I'm scum anymore so that's self explanatory...

I guess WBG will just put his vote wherever he can avoid his own death.

DONT LET A NO LYNCH OCCUR. Even if that means I have to die. At least we find scum if I die.

Jackal, why are you diverting the lynch away from WBG to Sevryn? You didn't even provide a case on him. That's really troubling me. I had thought you were very town before you did that. If a no lynch occurs because Jackal pushed a Lurker lynch make sure to look in to him more thoroughly.

On September 17 2011 04:01 Nisani201 wrote:
##Unvote

I'm going to trust you on this one, only because this is a closed setup and I have no idea what could be going on behind the scenes.

Who are our other lynch suspects?

On September 20 2011 09:08 Curu wrote:
Here you go:



I will tell you after GMarshal answers my question. I still don't know if I am allowed to reveal posts from the QT or not.

On September 21 2011 11:34 Jackal58 wrote:
Ditto.

Where the hell did everybody go?

On September 24 2011 10:12 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also Greymist, always check lynch targets/suspects. Don't bother with lurkers like chaos.

That's what I've learned with lurkers in mafia games, majority of the time they've bored/incompetent VTs. In chaos's case he had RL obligations or w.e.

You should've checked tnkted or Curu night one. Tnkted because I was pushing him real hard as the alternate wagon, and Curu cause sinani flipped town.

Ofc Curu would've showed up inn but it's better than nothing. You could' e checked me too to see why I was pushing tnkted when no one else was

On September 24 2011 10:20 GMarshal wrote:


Town's fault IMO, mechanics discussion should never replace scumhunting and behavioral analysis, if the town got sidetracked then someone should have made an effort to bring it back in line. And remember kids, GMarshal games are designed to deny confirmed townies as much as possible, so always take that into account when someone claims to be 100% confirmed, in no way scum,

On September 24 2011 10:23 Erandorr wrote:
Could someone explain to me why jackal and tnkted were seen as 100 percent confirmed town? I didnt want to bring that up ingame since all went fairly well