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Wall of text >.<
Chaos13, Part 3 was definetly not fluff. This is not like most games on this forum, where 4 votes can lynch in a 20 player game. We need 8 votes on the same person to lynch today, and that changes a lot, for how scum play, and how town play, but mostly it means that we either agree or we don´t lynch at all, forcing everyone to be more aggressive with the voting.
As for your random pressure, I knew it was random pressure. If I knew it was not serious, why would I defend Jackal?
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On September 13 2011 21:18 chaos13 wrote: By now he's realized how scummy he is being by sticking to his same idea, so he looks for a way out. It's a meager way out, but mafia can wriggle when they want to. This is just weak. There are so many possibilities where your plan could have gone wrong that it shouldn't have taken so long to have one of them pointed out to you. Point out the problems with the plan.
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On September 13 2011 08:01 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2011 07:34 Lucidity wrote: I was a goon in AA. A Vet in Kurumi's TF2 themed mafia and VT in XLIII. 2 of those games were PM games and I was pretty inactive in XLIII, so my meta on TL is pretty useless. AA, wasn´t the Goons there part of Town? How´s your Veteran Metagame? With everyone accusing me of avoiding questions, I think I´d like some old ones of my own answered.
Lucidity, what role did you have in Arkham Asylum? Arkham Staff, basically a normal Goon? Is there something in your Veteran Metagame that makes those games useless for metagame purposes?
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On September 13 2011 21:33 Forumite wrote: Wall of text >.<
Chaos13, Part 3 was definetly not fluff. This is not like most games on this forum, where 4 votes can lynch in a 20 player game. We need 8 votes on the same person to lynch today, and that changes a lot, for how scum play, and how town play, but mostly it means that we either agree or we don´t lynch at all, forcing everyone to be more aggressive with the voting.
As for your random pressure, I knew it was random pressure. If I knew it was not serious, why would I defend Jackal?
Yeah, I know it applies to the game, but if anyone isn't aware of it already it's because they haven't read the OP.
The bolded is exactly my question.
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On September 13 2011 21:51 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2011 08:01 Forumite wrote:On September 13 2011 07:34 Lucidity wrote: I was a goon in AA. A Vet in Kurumi's TF2 themed mafia and VT in XLIII. 2 of those games were PM games and I was pretty inactive in XLIII, so my meta on TL is pretty useless. AA, wasn´t the Goons there part of Town? How´s your Veteran Metagame? With everyone accusing me of avoiding questions, I think I´d like some old ones of my own answered. Lucidity, what role did you have in Arkham Asylum? Arkham Staff, basically a normal Goon? Is there something in your Veteran Metagame that makes those games useless for metagame purposes? I played as a Goon and a Vet in PM games, so a lot of discussion is not in the thread at all. I've played 1 game as Green, 1 as Blue and 1 as Red. I don't think I have any kind of reliable meta on here.
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Eh, I'm not buying the forumite lynch. His initial statements were pretty lame, but he's been acting like an unjustly accused town since then.
I want to shift town conversation back to Greymyst.
On September 13 2011 06:42 GreYMisT wrote: Sadly I have to agree with Dream, and echo what she said. We pretty much haw a very long day 1 with no roles or anything but a very general plan to discuss. I have only played with a few of you, but from the games I have read we will do well if we can maintain a good atmosphere, as we have right now. Because we also don't know how many or what type of roles exist, we need to focus on logic and behavioral analysis, rather than hope for power roles to carry us. I think we should process forward assuming no blues exist.
Now I wanted to wait until after the nightpost to say this, but jackie beat me to it. This is a crazy scummy post. Its sheepy, and its a poor attempt to blend in with everyone, etc.
His response to the pressure everyone gave him was this:
On September 13 2011 09:06 GreYMisT wrote: I prefer policy posts and "plans" to the spam and trolling it takes to get some games started on day 1. Would you rather I didn't post at all? I feel that at least gets everyone on the same page. Otherwise we don't know where anyone stands on the mechanics of the game, and judging from games I have read on here that seems to muck up later days.
Okay, lets look at the appeals he makes here. He doesn't try to defend his scummy post at all; instead he appeals to the emotional ("Would you rather I didn't post at all?") and then basically restates his first sentence. This is NOT how you react to pressure. A true townie would read their post and either say, "That wasn't scummy at all!" Or they'd defend themselves and explain what they meant. Greymyst did neither.
Oh, and then the rest of his posts are all about the d1 post and the clues it might contain, which successfully shields him from having to hunt for scum.
## Vote Greymyst
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You neglected to contrast his idea that we had a "good town atmosphere" at the time when everyone was spamming ponies. In his next post he says he hates Day 1 spam.
herp.
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On September 13 2011 22:08 Lucidity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2011 21:51 Forumite wrote:On September 13 2011 08:01 Forumite wrote:On September 13 2011 07:34 Lucidity wrote: I was a goon in AA. A Vet in Kurumi's TF2 themed mafia and VT in XLIII. 2 of those games were PM games and I was pretty inactive in XLIII, so my meta on TL is pretty useless. AA, wasn´t the Goons there part of Town? How´s your Veteran Metagame? With everyone accusing me of avoiding questions, I think I´d like some old ones of my own answered. Lucidity, what role did you have in Arkham Asylum? Arkham Staff, basically a normal Goon? Is there something in your Veteran Metagame that makes those games useless for metagame purposes? I played as a Goon and a Vet in PM games, so a lot of discussion is not in the thread at all. I've played 1 game as Green, 1 as Blue and 1 as Red. I don't think I have any kind of reliable meta on here. Ah, PM games, that doesn´t help much. Nevermind then.
On September 13 2011 22:01 chaos13 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2011 21:33 Forumite wrote: Wall of text >.<
Chaos13, Part 3 was definetly not fluff. This is not like most games on this forum, where 4 votes can lynch in a 20 player game. We need 8 votes on the same person to lynch today, and that changes a lot, for how scum play, and how town play, but mostly it means that we either agree or we don´t lynch at all, forcing everyone to be more aggressive with the voting.
As for your random pressure, I knew it was random pressure. If I knew it was not serious, why would I defend Jackal? Yeah, I know it applies to the game, but if anyone isn't aware of it already it's because they haven't read the OP. The bolded is exactly my question. I saw random pressure, I didn´t think there was real substance behind it, but it did reminded me about the general opinion on Jackal, that if he´s not dead within a few days, then he´s scum. I checked the rolelist of some old games, the games I checked where he was Town had him dead by nightkill or lynch before Day 3. This seemed odd for an active player to get lynched so often, and so when I was doing policy on lurkers, I threw in policy on Jackal too.
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I'm flattered being the center of attention. I'm flattered some of you think I'm good. The reality is some games I rock some games I suck horribly. My best play as town is typically day 3 and onward. However I rarely see day 3 any more.
The Day post gives us the name of the Scum boss. It also gives us the "Elements of Harmony" I have never watched this show so I don't know what those things are but I am going to assume they are items. Please enlighten me as to what these elements are. And how many there are.
Chaos13 - I'm quite sure Forumite did not understand the basis of you calling me scum. Actually I'm pretty sure I'm the only one in the game that understood it for what it was. A couple of games ago I informed Chaos that every game he does not call me scum on day 1 is due to him being scum. It was a truism that I'm sure he looked back on and realized I was right. I should have never told him that and let him languish in his inability to avoid a day 1 lynch when he's scum. But that was the reasoning behind his calling me scum. It's all WIFOM now. But it did make me laugh a bit.
I will occasionally break into song or go off on a tangent. I'm only here to keep you all happy. And wtf is a rock farm?
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My responses are in green.
On September 13 2011 22:15 tnkted wrote:Eh, I'm not buying the forumite lynch. His initial statements were pretty lame, but he's been acting like an unjustly accused town since then. I want to shift town conversation back to Greymyst. Show nested quote +On September 13 2011 06:42 GreYMisT wrote: Sadly I have to agree with Dream, and echo what she said. We pretty much haw a very long day 1 with no roles or anything but a very general plan to discuss. I have only played with a few of you, but from the games I have read we will do well if we can maintain a good atmosphere, as we have right now. Because we also don't know how many or what type of roles exist, we need to focus on logic and behavioral analysis, rather than hope for power roles to carry us. I think we should process forward assuming no blues exist. Now I wanted to wait until after the nightpost to say this, but jackie beat me to it. This is a crazy scummy post. Its sheepy, and its a poor attempt to blend in with everyone, etc. His response to the pressure everyone gave him was this: Not much to say about my post here, as I defended it below. In short I felt this post was a better idea than spam or not posting at all.Show nested quote +On September 13 2011 09:06 GreYMisT wrote: I prefer policy posts and "plans" to the spam and trolling it takes to get some games started on day 1. Would you rather I didn't post at all? I feel that at least gets everyone on the same page. Otherwise we don't know where anyone stands on the mechanics of the game, and judging from games I have read on here that seems to muck up later days. Okay, lets look at the appeals he makes here. He doesn't try to defend his scummy post at all; instead he appeals to the emotional ("Would you rather I didn't post at all?") and then basically restates his first sentence. This is NOT how you react to pressure. A true townie would read their post and either say, "That wasn't scummy at all!" Or they'd defend themselves and explain what they meant. Greymyst did neither. I have to disagree with you here. How am I not defending myself here? I state the reason behind my post before. The phrase "would you rather I didn't post at all" was not an appeal to emotion, but rather an actual statement of the fact that I feel it is better to post than not at all.Oh, and then the rest of his posts are all about the d1 post and the clues it might contain, which successfully shields him from having to hunt for scum. I have never played a game with clues, so maybe I am overemphasizing their importance to the game, but GMarshal stated that that might give us an insight into game mechanics and the possible settup, which I felt would be pretty important when we dont know either.## Vote Greymyst
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Goddamnit you guys.
7/13 = 53.85%
nubs
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(it takes 7 to lynch not 8)
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I assume it´s Players/2+1, rounded up, so 8 when we have 13 players. It should probably be rounded down though, as now we are 1 vote MORE than majority. Rounding up get´s tough when there´s 3 players left, as everyone has to vote on one to vote him, even the one who is getting voted out.
GM, do we need 7 or 8 votes to lynch today?
Greymist, My FoS on you was because you congratulated Town on being inactive and spamming a lot.
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Anybody on what the "Elements of Harmony" are? I'm at work and I'm not getting caught dead wiki'ing rainbows and ponies.
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The Elements of Harmony are related to the legend of the Mare in the Moon and are said to be the most powerful magic known to ponykind. Twilight later finds out the elements are honesty, kindness, laughter, generosity, loyalty, and magic, and that each of her friends and herself embody these elements.
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On September 13 2011 23:31 Jackal58 wrote:Anybody on what the "Elements of Harmony" are? I'm at work and I'm not getting caught dead wiki'ing rainbows and ponies. In the second episode, Twilight and her 5 friends found the Elements of Harmony, in the form of 5 stones. They are Honesty, Kindness, Laughter, Generosity and Loyalty, and were used together to call on the 6th element, Magic. Then they did a 6-pony magic ûbercombo and defeated Nightmare moon, making her 20% less cool, but much more cute.
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The spark that activated the stones was friendship. "Friendship is magic."
Applejack is Honesty. Fluttershy is Kindness. Pinkie Pie is Laughter. Rarity is Generosity. Rainbow Dash is Loyalty. Twilight Sparkle is Magic.
My guess is that each of those ponies has a stone and the game mechanic relates to them somehow. But let's leave this alone until after Night 1 when we might have some relevant information via flavour/night actions.
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