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GMarshal
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GreYMisT
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Forumite
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On September 13 2011 11:58 chaos13 wrote: Not something I would expect from Forumite. His play in Cosmic Horror was solid, and I think I've played another game with him that he did very well in. If I live tonight I'll go back and check to confirm that. Depends on what you mean with very well, I survived for very long as a hidden DT in XXXIX, but it didn´t feel like I was helping that much, and we lost in the end. My pack won Werewolf Mafia, after I was found by the rival scum and lynched halfway through. Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia was a win, as scum gave up when we closed in on them. Why wouldn´t you live tonight, Chaos13? | ||
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chaos13
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wherebugsgo
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sinani206
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GreYMisT
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Elements of HarmonyNightmare Moon | ||
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GreYMisT
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Here are the fixed links for those of you who need order in your lives Nightmare moon Elements of Harmony | ||
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wherebugsgo
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Most of the story from the first 2 episodes is actually in there lol | ||
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Forumite
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On September 13 2011 12:20 GreYMisT wrote: The only thing I can see in the post is that the phrase "the key word being 'seemed'" seems out of place, but that may be stretching things waaaaay too far. There doesnt seem to be anything about the setup other than what you mentioned sevryn. other than the elements of harmony possibly being a mechanic, the phrase "nightmare moon has returned" might indicate a third party of some kind? Nightmare Moon is more likely the leader of the Scum, represented in flavor or by a player, rather than a third party. The Daypost includes the usual death of someone, loads of flavor, and the three lines of things happening. The elements of harmony are the only thing that stand out there. Honesty and all that, going to the Ever Free Forest to find some rocks is only half of our problems, the real problem is finding scum, and it´s been quiet since the pressure on me. The real day just started, this is not the time to get complacent. | ||
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Forumite
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On September 13 2011 14:14 sinani206 wrote: Can someone who watches the show explain what Nightmare Moon is? It might be useful to help solve whatever is hidden in the post, something like the roles or numbers of the mafia. For this size of a game, it´s most likely 3 Scum and 10 Town. | ||
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Lucidity
South Africa603 Posts
On September 13 2011 10:13 Forumite wrote: It´s closed, so we can´t rely on cops, doctors and vigis. On September 13 2011 11:11 Forumite wrote: Jackal is the player in this game that I most want to know the alignment of. If he´s Town, then he can help a lot, and we definetly shouldn´t do Scum a favor and lynch him, let them waste a nightkill instead. If he´s Scum, then we find him with a check, even if he´s doing his best "confirmed Town" act. Do you disagree? How can you say we can't rely on Blues and then soon after suggest an entire strategy around Jackal's alignment which relies completely on a Cop? I really don't like that you want to "catch him" with a check, even when he looks innocent. That could easily suggest a framing on Mafia's part of Jackal. On the other hand, you could be setting up a DT check on your Godfather (If Jackal is scum and there is a GF I think there's a big probability that he is it). Either way, it looks quite bad. Explain? | ||
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Forumite
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On September 13 2011 18:43 Lucidity wrote: How can you say we can't rely on Blues and then soon after suggest an entire strategy around Jackal's alignment which relies completely on a Cop? I really don't like that you want to "catch him" with a check, even when he looks innocent. That could easily suggest a framing on Mafia's part of Jackal. On the other hand, you could be setting up a DT check on your Godfather (If Jackal is scum and there is a GF I think there's a big probability that he is it). Either way, it looks quite bad. Explain? Apart from the idea of Jackal being the godfather, it was all adressed and rejected yesterday allready. The original plan fails, more because of the possibility of Framers, than lack of cops. As for Jackal being the godfather, that´s reaching. If there is one, why is it more likely that Jackal is the one, and why then would I want to call attention to him? If I vouch for Jackal being Town, and then flip red, then Jackal goes down too. | ||
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Lucidity
South Africa603 Posts
Why did you suggest that plan on Jackal after stating that we can't rely on Blues at all? I don't know all the players in this game, but Jackal seems to be a pretty senior member of the community and a good choice for GF if there is one. Saying that you wouldn't advocate DT checks on your GF is complete WIFOM. As is implying that anyone you vouched for being town (is that what you have been doing? that's even worse) would instantly have to die after you flip red. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
Anyway, this was my plan before Framers entered the picture. I works without a DT, but if there is a DT, then we have to be able to trust his check. If I save a player from a lynch, then flip red, it throws a lot of suspicion on the one I saved, don´t you think? Godfathers, are they always chosen among scum by the scum themselves? | ||
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Lucidity
South Africa603 Posts
There are many scenarios where we can't trust a DT check. We don't know their sanity, we don't know if there is a framer or millers, there could be fake claims. Even if you didn't consider a framer, the plan didn't make sense and my main point is that you contradicted yourself w.r.t. the use of Blue roles. But it doesn't seem as if you're going to address that. Vote: Forumite | ||
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On September 13 2011 20:30 Lucidity wrote: There is no voting thread? I guess not, but with so few players, it´s not that hard to find the voting posts and make a summary. | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
On September 13 2011 11:53 Sevryn wrote: man i would love a daypost so we might have some more information to read into. Forumite asking for a cop to check a specific person is retarded in a closed setup. Chaos I think your reading a little to bit much into something that can just be he didnt think it through. I've made a mistake in the begining of a game that looked kinda scummy but was just me being retarded so ill reserve judgment untill I see some more of his opinions Sevryn, before you read the rest of my post please, answer this. What are the possible motivations for town making the posts and plans that Forumite did? Forumite What's this, it's less than 12 hours into Day 1 and somebody is doing analysis already?! Yeah, this should be a good game. But if you are Sevryn, wait until you've answered my above question before reading this. For the lazy, reading impaired, and forgetful, here is my first post once the game started. On September 13 2011 09:45 chaos13 wrote: By lynching Jackal58, because he is mafia. Pony mafia. This was intended to get some discussion going and because, well, I like calling Jackal scum. Normal reactions would include disregarding it completely or asking for explanation of why he is mafia. Forumite's reaction was this: On September 13 2011 10:13 Forumite wrote: Part 1 It´s closed, so we can´t rely on cops, doctors and vigis. Still, I don´t think the core of the game has changed that much. There might be a 3rd Party, but I don´t expect multiple Scum-families like in Werewolf Mafia, the game is too small for that, and I don´t think GM would turn a Pony themed game into a slaughter like that game. Treating this as a normal games, with a few gimics, then we have talking, pressure and logic, the weapons of Town, and the hope of help from the blues. Part 2 Personally, I don´t want to lynch lurkers or Jackal. Lynching Jackal for the fun of it is a mistake. Checking the last games, he´s often dead after the second night, mostly after he rolls Town and gets lynched anyway. He could be scum (Like in the CH game  ), but I´m not wasting time pushing to lynch him until he´s shown some real scumtells. Jackal does warrant a cop check though, if we have a detective out there. Part 3 Voting, remember that it´s a majority lynch rule, the first day we need 8 votes, out of 13 players, to lynch. If we don´t, then noone dies, but scum gets a free night. I don´t want to go into what´s best between not lynching and getting a mislynch, just pointing out that if we want someone lynched, we need to agree as a whole and actively lynch. In this game, not voting on the leading candidate is a vote to save him. I've labeled these Parts 1, 2, and 3 for easy reference. Part 1 is fluff that anyone could have come up with. Mafia like fluff. It lets them look like they're doing something without actually having to give anything away about their alignment. Part 2 is where it gets interesting. Don't want to lynch lurkers, okay. Some explanation would be good for this. Why would you want to keep lurkers around? Wouldn't it be better to have them out of the way before LYLO? And you don't want to lynch Jackal, okay. Good, cause that was a random accusation to get things going. Lynching him for the fun of it? Let's back up the pretty pony bus here, nobody said anything about lynching him for fun. Forumite then gives a little description of Jackal's town meta, and specifically how he has a tendency to die when he is town. How useful. Then you say you won't push him until he shows scumtells. Good, good. You get an extra rainbow full of friendship. But I take it back for your next statement. Alright, so Jackal has done absolutely nothing this game so far, probably because it's just started, (or he's mafia, time will tell) and yet we should be DT checking him? Why not any of the other players on this roster? Part 3 - Welcome to Fluff Town So then I immediately pointed out how Forumite had decorated his home with mafia-themed curtains, and asked him a specific question. He answered with this... On September 13 2011 10:42 Forumite wrote: Please, you didn´t even attempt to make that pressure look anything but a joke. ...which tells me that what I did was joke pressure (derp) and completely ignores my question of what Jackal has done to warrant a DT check. That's cause Jackal has done nothing to warrant a DT check yet. This should be the biggest scumbell going off right now. Already we have 1. Posting fluff 2. Suspicious behavior regarding random pressure 3. Trying to control blue roles 4. Avoiding answering direct questions When pressured to answer the question, he comes up with this. On September 13 2011 10:54 Forumite wrote: Jackal is a good player, and if Town don´t lynch him to be safe, then Scum kill him off. We can´t do anything to stop a scumkill, but if he´s up for a lynch, then, judging by earlier results on lynching Jackal, it´s probably better to make a cop-check than lynching him blind. The cop doesn´t have to claim just because he checks, though, if he thinks he can survive to check a night or two more. So he's a good player. Alright, that means town should lynch him to be safe? Yeah, let's kill off our three best players because they might be scum. That'll work out well. So a cop should check Jackal so when we policy lynch him because he's a good player we won't end up taking out a townie. But the cop shouldn't necessarily claim. Well what the sunshine is the point of even checking him to stop his lynch (assuming Jackal is town) then? If one player knows he's town and doesn't want to lynch him, mafia know he's town but want to lynch him, and everyone else thinks he's mafia, he's gonna get lynched anyway. You're scrambling to hold on to the edge here Forumite. This is some of the strangest reasoning for a position I've ever seen in a game of mafia, and I can't see it coming from a town point of view. At this point a townie would have gone "Hmm, yeah I can see where I was going wrong here, this is a bad idea." A mafioso will go "Uhh crap I need to come up with an explanation for this position." Mafia want to pick a position and stick to it. Town is focused on catching scum, not worrying about hiding. This post is the perfect example of trying to alleviate the pressure on him so he can go back into his comfy little mafia zone hiding amongst everyone else. On September 13 2011 11:11 Forumite wrote: Hmmm, yeah, sounds about right. Jackal is the player in this game that I most want to know the alignment of. If he´s Town, then he can help a lot, and we definetly shouldn´t do Scum a favor and lynch him, let them waste a nightkill instead. If he´s Scum, then we find him with a check, even if he´s doing his best "confirmed Town" act. Do you disagree? Why on earth would be bother lynching him if we don't think he's scum? Why should this particular strategy apply to Jackal instead of absolutely everyone else? You're assigning importance to Jackal for no real reason. It's not like scum will be avoiding killing anyone else at all costs so they can take out Jackal, and not like DT's will be going "HMM, I wonder what Jackal's alignment is. I should check him and find out." They're going to do what anyone else in a game of mafia should be doing: reading the thread and making decisions based on what they see. Mafia are going to be looking for players who are active beyond the rest of the town and aren't derping themselves into the ground. Starting on N3 maybe they'll begin bluesniping, hoping to take out a DT or a vig who hasn't used their shot yet. DT's will be looking for scumslips or suspicious behavior. You know all this. You're just insisting that you don't so you can support that silly little statement you made earlier, because you have a guilty mindset that says you can't change your mind or opinion. Let's take a look at some more thoughts of his on this brilliant plan. On September 13 2011 11:40 Forumite wrote: Perhaps everypony else is better at finding breadcrumbs, lol Now back to the analysis. On September 13 2011 11:40 Forumite wrote: Okay, minor point on early breadcrumbing, good point on the Framer. Perhaps everypony else is better at finding breadcrumbs, but I´m having problems finding them even after the flip. It´s a small game, but we can´t be sure if there are any detectives or framers. If there is a framer or there exists no DTs, then this plan fails. I´d say it´s not very likely that there is a framer in the game, but we probably don´t want to risk it. Hey, look at that window over there! It says "Framer Loophole" on it, think I can fit through it? By now he's realized how scummy he is being by sticking to his same idea, so he looks for a way out. It's a meager way out, but mafia can wriggle when they want to. This is just weak. There are so many possibilities where your plan could have gone wrong that it shouldn't have taken so long to have one of them pointed out to you. The only reason you were sticking to it earlier is, as I mentioned, the guilty mindset that says you have to come up with an explanation for your initial reaction. ##Vote Forumite | ||
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