EPTOn September 13 2011 21:18 chaos13 wrote:
Sevryn, before you read the rest of my post please, answer this. What are the possible motivations for town making the posts and plans that Forumite did?
Forumite
What's this, it's less than 12 hours into Day 1 and somebody is doing analysis already?! Yeah, this should be a good game. But if you are Sevryn, wait until you've answered my above question before reading this.
For the lazy, reading impaired, and forgetful, here is my first post once the game started.
This was intended to get some discussion going and because, well, I like calling Jackal scum. Normal reactions would include disregarding it completely or asking for explanation of why he is mafia. Forumite's reaction was this:
I've labeled these Parts 1, 2, and 3 for easy reference.
Part 1 is fluff that anyone could have come up with. Mafia like fluff. It lets them look like they're doing something without actually having to give anything away about their alignment.
Part 2 is where it gets interesting. Don't want to lynch lurkers, okay. Some explanation would be good for this. Why would you want to keep lurkers around? Wouldn't it be better to have them out of the way before LYLO? And you don't want to lynch Jackal, okay. Good, cause that was a random accusation to get things going. Lynching him for the fun of it? Let's back up the pretty pony bus here, nobody said anything about lynching him for fun. Forumite then gives a little description of Jackal's town meta, and specifically how he has a tendency to die when he is town. How useful. Then you say you won't push him until he shows scumtells. Good, good. You get an extra rainbow full of friendship. But I take it back for your next statement. Alright, so Jackal has done absolutely nothing this game so far, probably because it's just started, (or he's mafia, time will tell) and yet we should be DT checking him? Why not any of the other players on this roster?
Part 3 - Welcome to Fluff Town
So then I immediately pointed out how Forumite had decorated his home with mafia-themed curtains, and asked him a specific question. He answered with this...
...which tells me that what I did was joke pressure (derp) and completely ignores my question of what Jackal has done to warrant a DT check. That's cause Jackal has done nothing to warrant a DT check yet. This should be the biggest scumbell going off right now.
Already we have
1. Posting fluff
2. Suspicious behavior regarding random pressure
3. Trying to control blue roles
4. Avoiding answering direct questions
When pressured to answer the question, he comes up with this.
So he's a good player. Alright, that means town should lynch him to be safe? Yeah, let's kill off our three best players because they might be scum. That'll work out well. So a cop should check Jackal so when we policy lynch him because he's a good player we won't end up taking out a townie. But the cop shouldn't necessarily claim. Well what the sunshine is the point of even checking him to stop his lynch (assuming Jackal is town) then? If one player knows he's town and doesn't want to lynch him, mafia know he's town but want to lynch him, and everyone else thinks he's mafia, he's gonna get lynched anyway. You're scrambling to hold on to the edge here Forumite. This is some of the strangest reasoning for a position I've ever seen in a game of mafia, and I can't see it coming from a town point of view. At this point a townie would have gone "Hmm, yeah I can see where I was going wrong here, this is a bad idea." A mafioso will go "Uhh crap I need to come up with an explanation for this position." Mafia want to pick a position and stick to it. Town is focused on catching scum, not worrying about hiding. This post is the perfect example of trying to alleviate the pressure on him so he can go back into his comfy little mafia zone hiding amongst everyone else.
Why on earth would be bother lynching him if we don't think he's scum? Why should this particular strategy apply to Jackal instead of absolutely everyone else? You're assigning importance to Jackal for no real reason. It's not like scum will be avoiding killing anyone else at all costs so they can take out Jackal, and not like DT's will be going "HMM, I wonder what Jackal's alignment is. I should check him and find out." They're going to do what anyone else in a game of mafia should be doing: reading the thread and making decisions based on what they see. Mafia are going to be looking for players who are active beyond the rest of the town and aren't derping themselves into the ground. Starting on N3 maybe they'll begin bluesniping, hoping to take out a DT or a vig who hasn't used their shot yet. DT's will be looking for scumslips or suspicious behavior. You know all this. You're just insisting that you don't so you can support that silly little statement you made earlier, because you have a guilty mindset that says you can't change your mind or opinion.
Let's take a look at some more thoughts of his on this brilliant plan.
lol
Now back to the analysis.
Hey, look at that window over there! It says "Framer Loophole" on it, think I can fit through it?
By now he's realized how scummy he is being by sticking to his same idea, so he looks for a way out. It's a meager way out, but mafia can wriggle when they want to. This is just weak. There are so many possibilities where your plan could have gone wrong that it shouldn't have taken so long to have one of them pointed out to you. The only reason you were sticking to it earlier is, as I mentioned, the guilty mindset that says you have to come up with an explanation for your initial reaction.
##Vote Forumite
Sevryn, before you read the rest of my post please, answer this. What are the possible motivations for town making the posts and plans that Forumite did?
Forumite
What's this, it's less than 12 hours into Day 1 and somebody is doing analysis already?! Yeah, this should be a good game. But if you are Sevryn, wait until you've answered my above question before reading this.
For the lazy, reading impaired, and forgetful, here is my first post once the game started.
This was intended to get some discussion going and because, well, I like calling Jackal scum. Normal reactions would include disregarding it completely or asking for explanation of why he is mafia. Forumite's reaction was this:
), but I´m not wasting time pushing to lynch him until he´s shown some real scumtells. Jackal does warrant a cop check though, if we have a detective out there. I've labeled these Parts 1, 2, and 3 for easy reference.
Part 1 is fluff that anyone could have come up with. Mafia like fluff. It lets them look like they're doing something without actually having to give anything away about their alignment.
Part 2 is where it gets interesting. Don't want to lynch lurkers, okay. Some explanation would be good for this. Why would you want to keep lurkers around? Wouldn't it be better to have them out of the way before LYLO? And you don't want to lynch Jackal, okay. Good, cause that was a random accusation to get things going. Lynching him for the fun of it? Let's back up the pretty pony bus here, nobody said anything about lynching him for fun. Forumite then gives a little description of Jackal's town meta, and specifically how he has a tendency to die when he is town. How useful. Then you say you won't push him until he shows scumtells. Good, good. You get an extra rainbow full of friendship. But I take it back for your next statement. Alright, so Jackal has done absolutely nothing this game so far, probably because it's just started, (or he's mafia, time will tell) and yet we should be DT checking him? Why not any of the other players on this roster?
Part 3 - Welcome to Fluff Town
So then I immediately pointed out how Forumite had decorated his home with mafia-themed curtains, and asked him a specific question. He answered with this...
...which tells me that what I did was joke pressure (derp) and completely ignores my question of what Jackal has done to warrant a DT check. That's cause Jackal has done nothing to warrant a DT check yet. This should be the biggest scumbell going off right now.
Already we have
1. Posting fluff
2. Suspicious behavior regarding random pressure
3. Trying to control blue roles
4. Avoiding answering direct questions
When pressured to answer the question, he comes up with this.
So he's a good player. Alright, that means town should lynch him to be safe? Yeah, let's kill off our three best players because they might be scum. That'll work out well. So a cop should check Jackal so when we policy lynch him because he's a good player we won't end up taking out a townie. But the cop shouldn't necessarily claim. Well what the sunshine is the point of even checking him to stop his lynch (assuming Jackal is town) then? If one player knows he's town and doesn't want to lynch him, mafia know he's town but want to lynch him, and everyone else thinks he's mafia, he's gonna get lynched anyway. You're scrambling to hold on to the edge here Forumite. This is some of the strangest reasoning for a position I've ever seen in a game of mafia, and I can't see it coming from a town point of view. At this point a townie would have gone "Hmm, yeah I can see where I was going wrong here, this is a bad idea." A mafioso will go "Uhh crap I need to come up with an explanation for this position." Mafia want to pick a position and stick to it. Town is focused on catching scum, not worrying about hiding. This post is the perfect example of trying to alleviate the pressure on him so he can go back into his comfy little mafia zone hiding amongst everyone else.
Why on earth would be bother lynching him if we don't think he's scum? Why should this particular strategy apply to Jackal instead of absolutely everyone else? You're assigning importance to Jackal for no real reason. It's not like scum will be avoiding killing anyone else at all costs so they can take out Jackal, and not like DT's will be going "HMM, I wonder what Jackal's alignment is. I should check him and find out." They're going to do what anyone else in a game of mafia should be doing: reading the thread and making decisions based on what they see. Mafia are going to be looking for players who are active beyond the rest of the town and aren't derping themselves into the ground. Starting on N3 maybe they'll begin bluesniping, hoping to take out a DT or a vig who hasn't used their shot yet. DT's will be looking for scumslips or suspicious behavior. You know all this. You're just insisting that you don't so you can support that silly little statement you made earlier, because you have a guilty mindset that says you can't change your mind or opinion.
Let's take a look at some more thoughts of his on this brilliant plan.
lol
Now back to the analysis.
Hey, look at that window over there! It says "Framer Loophole" on it, think I can fit through it?
By now he's realized how scummy he is being by sticking to his same idea, so he looks for a way out. It's a meager way out, but mafia can wriggle when they want to. This is just weak. There are so many possibilities where your plan could have gone wrong that it shouldn't have taken so long to have one of them pointed out to you. The only reason you were sticking to it earlier is, as I mentioned, the guilty mindset that says you have to come up with an explanation for your initial reaction.
##Vote Forumite
Okay the motivation for posting a bad plan like that could be one of two things. one hes scum wants to push a bad plan then frame(if they have one) the dt check(DT if you exist please dont dt check anyone people ask to dt check) or hes bad townie and just didnt actaully think about what the case was on jackal and how it could possibly make him scummy at all. His response defending the 3rd paragraph as not fluff is bullshit considering how its just restating that its majority and we need to work together. something pro town to say without being pro town.
@tnkted when accused as town especially this early defending every post you make is not the best way to defend yourself. The best way to defend your self is to analyze other peoples posts and offer your reads so that when your lynched if your town people will still have your thoughts and there is more information out there. If someone is accused and instead of defending against every accusation they put a lot of effort into scum hunting I am much more inclined to believe they are town because even if they are mafia as long as they are putting a ton of time into scum hunting they will slip up eventually and slip and they are already on your watch list.
That said I will go look at greymist but right now I think forumite is the best lynch.
##vote Forumite
