Some Mafia Game

On September 04 2011 12:00 Bill Murray wrote:
/involuntarily out

On September 08 2011 05:56 Curu wrote:


What does needing 9 for a lynch have to do with your idea that we shouldn't be voting each other?

On September 08 2011 06:06 JeeJee wrote:


Calm down broski.

It's very simple. When reacting to an accusation, townies tend to point out flaws with the accusation, since they know the accusation is wrong. Scum tend to try and shift the blame elsewhere, since they know the accusation is right.
if my vote didn't count since it was before Ace's post (although after 13KST), I'll re-write it here again.
##vote:ggq

On September 08 2011 07:01 Curu wrote:
I'm still wondering why 9 votes to lynch means we shouldn't be voting anyone yet.

You have a lot of "people misrepresented and twisted words, they're scum" in your posts but you're doing the exact same thing. GGQ did not point any finger at you, he was asking JeeJee why he chose to vote GGQ instead of you.

wherebugsgo(1) - sinani206

sinani206(1) - xtfftc

chaos13(1) - Palmar

Mig(1) - TheAwesomeAll

Palmar(1) - Mig

On September 09 2011 10:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
One of Palmar/Mig is scum methinks. IMO it might be Mig, because Palmar actually did defend townies in XLIV (I distinctly remember him giving Sevryn 0.2% chance to flip town) and he defended hiro and xt as well.

In cosmic I feel like he did the same but Palmar was alive when I wasn't in the game and I don't remember too well ATM (not quoting stuff cause I'm on my phone)

Would Mig purposely forget these things or is he just being ignorant as town? Iunno but from what I understand about his town play...neither is a likely town explanation.

Anyway, at the current lynches:

I say we keep it between TAA and iGrok. Either is an acceptable lynch to me but I'm not sold on GGQ. I'll switch off iGrok if we require lynching assistance

On September 10 2011 07:32 Zona wrote:
bumatlarge, what changed your mind from:



The post you quote when voting TheAwesomeAll talks about Mig/Palmar, then states "keep it between TAA and iGrok" - but you already had your vote on iGrok. What made you decide to vote for TheAwesomeAll instead?

On September 10 2011 13:01 Mig wrote:
Bum what do you think about curu/sandroba?

On September 08 2011 07:18 bumatlarge wrote:


I'm not going to waste energy explaining why votes in the first 2 minutes aren't helpful, you can achieve the same amount of pressure just talking about someone.

GGQ could have pointed out that what he was doing was not rolefishing. Instead he gave an excuse about how he shouldn't be the focus. He had no intention of standing behind what he said if it brought focus on him, and in that JeeJee is completely justified in voting for him. And I've already stated that I disagree with JeeJee voting ggq early, because it was a vote based on nothing, an early vote with no reasoning behind it, which we shouldn't be doing. Now it's a solid vote and I will join him. Nothing was twisted in GGQ's post. He could have stood behind what he said, but now he's making it perfect obvious that there will be legitimate reasons for voting him.

On September 12 2011 02:19 Zona wrote:

I decided to shoot bumatlarge because during Night 1 when I reread the game, I noticed the parts that comprise the case I presented publicly and decided he was scummier than the others. You'll notice that everything in that case occurs before day 2. And better yet, bumatlarge has said nothing since then except to appear and write a pithy single post in his own defense against my case.

On September 11 2011 02:55 chaos13 wrote:


Notice how GGQ is the only one of the three main candidates yesterday who is still alive? Why else do you think the bandwagon on TAA would have filled up so fast? Scum tried to deflect it onto iGrok, but when that failed went to TAA. And who was it who started the bandwagon there? Curu.
Take out GGQ today. He's disappeared to try to get the heat off of him. Vig Curu tonight.

##Vote: GGQ

On September 12 2011 03:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
This game is a shitfest. I have an inclination to believe sandroba, though.

I'm on my phone right now, I'll make this short and sweet:

I've FoSed a lot of people this game, because honestly I don't know what to make of half of the behavior that's been going on. Between yesterday's bandwagons, today's inactivity/trolling/whatever and being accused of being mafia on a "scumslip," my reads are just going all over the place. I'm going to try to consolidate them today so we can lynch mafia.

Our lynch today needs to be one of bum/sinani/Palmar IMO. The problem right now obviously is that a number of our suspicions just keep avoiding the thread (like GGQ). Xt has also avoided the thread today. To be completely honest I haven't seriously considered either of these players yet because of their total lack of activity today.

Between bum and sinani I have no preference. Sinani seems to have wisened up but I really don't see why we should keep him alive.

However, I need to call particular attention to Palmar and Jackal's play; both of them TOGETHER., because people need to really consider them as linked. Think about what they've done this game.

Palmar: has basically screwed with town atmosphere both days by pushing a townie that has made slight mistakes or appears scummy/appears to be playing badly. That was Mig yesterday (where IMO Mig's play was fine, he just forgot a couple things and palmar took advantage of that) and it's me today. His argument for me being mafia is that my play is terrible, so therefore I'm mafia because apparently my play wasn't terrible before.

What the fuck? Since when is someone mafia for being terrible? Someone is mafia for making contradictions, committing strange voting patterns, and not contributing/not having the will to contribute truthfully.

Palmar has done all three of those things this game. Filter him for now; when I get on my computer in 30 minutes or so I'll clarify this more with some quotes that I remember.

As for Jackal, he's pretty much done the same thing. He keeps going on about the scumslip as if it's damning evidence that I'm mafia. He's also contributed absolutely nothing but bad town atmosphere. He took my accusation one step further though, by accusing zona and setting her up to be scrutinized as well (another waste of time)

How do I know that? Cause I'm a townie and IMO based on my BEHAVIOR that should be obvious. Both Jackal and Palmar aren't dumb enough to paint someone as mafia based on a "scumslip". Had chaos not voted me first I'm sure they would've both been cautious about it.

I'll be back soon with specific quotes and reasons for linking the two.

On September 12 2011 09:14 Curu wrote:
I'm not willing to lynch sandroba today. Everyone who has posted is willing to lynch him.

On September 13 2011 03:47 Zona wrote:
Bayonnet, I was wondering if you could still shoot tomorrow? The reason I ask is I'm worried sandroba will return but perhaps post just the minimum required to not be modkilled. I was against lynching him before (I really wanted bumatlarge lynched), but if he continues to super-lurk, I think he's worth shooting LATE IN THE DAY (not in the first 24 hours). We should definitely give him a full 24 hours after the night is over to made good on his promise, then we act.

On September 14 2011 00:21 xtfftc wrote:
I don't believe Palmar's claim. His "WBG is 100% mafia" - i.e. "I know because I checked him" - would have attracted unnecessary attention to a blue in case WBG was indeed mafia. It makes perfect sense for them: Palmar isn't contributing as much because he has a power role and doesn't want to put himself out there too much.

But if Palmar's claim is fake it all fits. A lot of people are suspicious of him and now that Curu and WBG are dead and confirmed as townies, their repeatedly stated suspicions of Palmar might put him in the spotlight. So, he tries to achieve a mislynch that would probably win mafia the game. Moreover, he has been careful not to say too much in his analysis, so it's unlikely that he has incriminated fellow mafia and having him as confirmed red might not be too bad for them.

And it's not like it's too big of a risk for him to get lynched. Claiming a DT would definitely attract additional attention to Palmar - as if there wasn't quite a lot already - but is unlikely to get him lynched immediately. He did not put himself in a situation that would lead to his lynch in case the information he gave us is wrong because he didn't give us any information whatsoever. What value does town get out of his claim? That there might be a framer or that perhaps Palmar is insane or that people got bussed. As if we didn't know that there's a ton of possibilities with this setup. So, maybe mafia framed WBG on Night 1 or Bum is mafia because he returned green - but we don't really know?
Also, am I correct in assuming that a framed townie would return green to an insane DT? So perhaps Bum got framed...? Palmar is smart enough to consider the possible scenarios and realise that revealing his role would not help town. If he wanted protection, he could have claimed after the lynch.

Also, his checks do not match his posts. He kept on defending Bum during Day 1 and checked him afterwards. Then he said he's "100% sure" on WBG being mafia before checking him. Let's say that Palmar is indeed a DT and was afraid of getting shot. Naturally, as soon as his role was revealed, everyone would start looking for breadcrumbs and see Palmar's "100%" as a proof that WBG is guilty. Although WBG sort of asked for this reply with his question (What chance do you give me of flipping scum?), so perhaps I'm reading too much into it.

I'd appreciate other people's thoughts on both Palmar's claim and my reading of it.

On September 14 2011 02:28 xtfftc wrote:
We have already discussed why voting immediately can only help mafia, so if you are town, don't vote. Sandroba and Bum are either mafia or really sloppy - either way, following their votes is bad.

On September 07 2011 11:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Let's talk about irrelevant things in ace's game! This set-up is weird is completely closed so I'm gonna throw it out there that I think everyone has some sort of ability.

On September 14 2011 03:24 Zona wrote:
Curu was shot by scum.

I'm leaning towards thinking wherebugsgo was shot by town.

On September 14 2011 03:36 Zona wrote:
I have to go right now, but bumatlarge's claim makes perfect sense if he's town. I'm going to consider the scenario where he's mafia more thoroughly when I'm back, but right now it doesn't seem that likely.


It's definitely possible that mafia shot both.

But did you get a "power role" read from wherebugsgo? There were a bunch of people who were pretty suspicious of wherebugsgo, I would have expected someone else to be shot by mafia.

I'm hoping another night vig claims. I want to test this person about their role, because while it's (somewhat) possible that a few details are different, I'm sure of a certain something about our roles that is the exactly the same.

When you (the other night vig) claims, don't talk about any details about your role. I will tell you something about our roles to convince you that I have that role, and then I will test you about some details about the role to convince me that you have the role.

On September 14 2011 03:52 Palmar wrote:
yeah bum is scum, some time it took you to cook up a claim that directly counters mine.

derp

On September 14 2011 12:05 GGQ wrote:


Except that no matter what team bumatlarge is on, if he's a pgo, palmar's lying because if he checked bum he'd be dead.

On September 15 2011 04:18 sandroba wrote:
Jackal is not this dumb, pardon me. He is scum too.

On September 15 2011 06:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Sandroba, Bumatlarge, BayonetteAnderson, Zona
Scum day vig, scum night vig. Well actually a bullshit claim by a bullshit night vig. And a bullshit RB claim. How the hell does a dead protector role role block anybody. Pure bullshit.

On September 15 2011 07:59 BayonnetAnderson wrote:
So, assume Palmar flips red, who should we have the vigi's shoot tonight? (remember a misfire costs us the game, we cannot afford to miss)

I propose Jackal, does anyone else have any other suggestions?

On September 15 2011 11:54 BayonnetAnderson wrote:
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCKFUCK

GUESS WHAT? THE MAFIA HAS A POLITICIAN. WHO JUST BOUGHT MY VOTE.

##Vote: Bumatlarge

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I AM GOING TO GO PUNCH KITTENS IN THE FACE.
GAHHHH, I HATE THIS GAME. HSDKJASDHJFSDAHJSDA

On September 15 2011 12:04 Zona wrote:
sandroba, I think it's a mistake

Bayonnet's statement, no matter whether you interpret him as lying or telling the truth, shows Palmar is scum.