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Alright I've read the crap out of the thread and made a decision. Palmar is my scum read. Part of this is pretty much what the smurf just posted above, and as I mentioned before I find bumatlarge's behavior more consistent with his claim than Palmar's.
Also, the way that Palmar's claim came out just rubs me the wrong way. First he claimed "alignment cop" rather than just "cop". No other type of cop had been claimed or mentioned in the game so far, so why specify "alignment cop". Just "cop" would imply that just fine, especially if you started outing your guilty and inno results, it would be pretty clear. Now this could all be just a coincidence, but shortly after Jackal claims "parity cop". People have noted throughout the thread that Palmar and Jackal seem connected, and if they are both scum who planned out claims, it would make sense for Palmar to specify "alignment cop". Speculation, of course, but it fits in my mind.
Secondly, the way he doesn't push his own guilty on bumatlarge. Instead he offers three possibilities despite the unlikeliness of them and just waits for other people... perhaps waiting for jackal's claim?
##vote Palmar
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Anyone who reaches the conclusion that I am mafia after reading bayonette's post has issues. This barely merits being argued; it simply is. Palmar made a bad claim that directly goes against mine, which I've been hinting at for the entire game.
On September 15 2011 06:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Sandroba, Bumatlarge, BayonetteAnderson, Zona
Scum day vig, scum night vig. Well actually a bullshit claim by a bullshit night vig. And a bullshit RB claim. How the hell does a dead protector role role block anybody. Pure bullshit.
I do believe when you are shot as medic your last action goes through.
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By the way bayonette i love the flavor keep it up 
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if any of you guys voting for me are actually town, I hope you realize which side you're taking.
bleh, sorry for playing under my usual standards, first game as cop, and thanks to Ace, an insane one at that.
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So assuming we lynch palmar today and then jackal tomorrow, scum still get two kp, which they should most likely use on Bayonette and Zona. I'm definitely going to be a massive thorn is mafia's side, assuming everything about there being no roleblockers is true.
2 of the remaining people is scum.
GGQ - I've done a bit of a 180 on him, because after day 1 he really has done nothing for me to think he is scum, and now when the cards are on the table, he was one person I assumed would rally with palmar and jackal, and I don't think they would bank on him as someone to be their last member. Everything points town at this point so I won't include him at the moment.
sandroba - Highly doubt he's scum, but if jackal and palmar were out in the open like that, and I was put under a lot of pressure initially, I'd think we would agree to play at opposite ends of the table. If he's scum we are in trouble, but I don't think so.
chaos13 - I big fat yes. I don't see how he can't be scum at this point, I'd lynch him after jackal. He did what I expected GGQ to do and his actions today have solidified my instincts.
xtfftc - Null read ATM, even after his vote today, but one thing for sure he needs to make a relevant vote now, we cannot afford to not lynch between two people who directly contradict one another.
Mig - Curious, but since I'm reluctant to call xtf scum right now, I'm going to keep my eyes on mig. Palmar may have gunned for him early, but the whole scenario seems artificial. It would not surprise me if they are both scum. But this isn't something to guess on, this is a prime time to analyze and make your decisions as everyone's hands are laid out on the table.
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unvote
##Vote: Palmar
I believe Mig and Chaos13 deserve a closer look afterwards.
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##Unvote
I want to have till around deadline for discussion purposes , this way we avoid a ninja hammer. Plus I want to see what Mig thinks of this whole thing, he's been awfully quiet.
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So, assume Palmar flips red, who should we have the vigi's shoot tonight? (remember a misfire costs us the game, we cannot afford to miss)
I propose Jackal, does anyone else have any other suggestions?
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EBDWODP: "who should we have the vigi(s) shoot tonight?"
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On September 15 2011 07:59 BayonnetAnderson wrote:
So, assume Palmar flips red, who should we have the vigi's shoot tonight? (remember a misfire costs us the game, we cannot afford to miss)
I propose Jackal, does anyone else have any other suggestions?
Games over as soon as Palmar gets lynched and you know it.
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On September 15 2011 07:59 BayonnetAnderson wrote:
So, assume Palmar flips red, who should we have the vigi's shoot tonight? (remember a misfire costs us the game, we cannot afford to miss)
I propose Jackal, does anyone else have any other suggestions?
Do we really have more vigis? Are we basing that on Ace hosting the game? Or is this from what zona said that he thought there were more vigis?
Then once palmar flips red its jackal then personally I'd go with chaos.
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On September 15 2011 08:00 BayonnetAnderson wrote:
EBDWODP: "who should we have the vigi(s) shoot tonight?"
You. And I highly doubt we have a vig.
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On September 15 2011 07:49 xtfftc wrote:
unvote
##Vote: Palmar
I believe Mig and Chaos13 deserve a closer look afterwards.
Put your vote on Bum.
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United States4714 Posts
Basically I have to either trust that palmar/jackal are town or bum/sandroba are town meh
I just can't believe sandroba is town. For 6 days he does absolutely nothing and shows he doesn't care at all about the game. Then now he comes in and plays to emotion acting pissed off about how everyone besides him is useless? Where was this emotion/effort at any other point in the game? I just don't buy it. It's so inconsistent with his play this entire game.
And there was seriously no reason whatsoever for palmar to claim dt as mafia at the start of the day.
So
##vote bumatlarge
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On September 15 2011 06:42 Curu wrote:
Mafia games are more fun when you're dead ^^
+1
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You were so sure sandroba was scum.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 11 2011 12:41 BayonnetAnderson wrote:sandroba So, I was bored, so I went meta/lurker hunting, and I found the man of the hour, the person everyone seems to be willing to call out for lurking, yet no one seems to want to vote for or make a formal accusation of. Its time I changed that. Lets fliter sandroba and see what agenda he is pushing, what wonderful pro-town plans he has come up with, what awesome discussion he has begun. Here is his filterWhat jumps out at you right away? The guy has all of 10 posts! This is "active man" sandroba the guy who's posted such pro town sentiments as Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 09:36 sandroba wrote:
Sup people, I'd like to propose a new policy this game.
Instead of lynching lurkers and liars, which produce no info whatsoever, we leave them to be shot at night by our vigs, if they exist. We can adjust acordingly if they fail to do their job.
The policy is to lynch all non-sense. People are getting away too easily by throwing random acusations that make no sense to pretend to be scum hunting. This is to pressure mafia into skilfully captalizing into people's mistakes if they want to suceed and survive. They can't lurk, because they will be getting shot, and can't pretend to be dumb, cuz they will get lynched. Of course pressuring people is okay, but if you are pushing hard a lynch for a lynch based on shoody evidence I'll tunnel you into oblivion. and Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 00:04 sandroba wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Okay people. First let's try to keep the posts regarding personality flavor to a bare minimum. This only helps mafia to hide, so don't go out of your way role playing. I know some people might have some posting restrictions, but know that posting any more fluf than you absolutely have to is anti-town behaviour and you WILL be held accountable for it. Now I want this question answered by everybody: Let's look at kurumi and his Bill Murray claim. Being BM, he could easily be VI trying to get lynched day1. He could also have a terrible posting restriction. Or he could be mafia trying to cause chaos. But we can't know for sure, so what I ask you is this: Do you think personalities point to aligment this game? Or do you think they only point towards role/posting style? My guess would be that some personalities would have a very high chance of being a certain aligment (i.e. ace is prob scum), but others not so much. Do we notice any policy post this game? Any suggestion that we vigi lurkers, or any point of discussion offered? Any attempt at generating controversy? No, we really don't. To anyone who has played with town sandroba in the past, this should be setting off every alarm bell in the system. We should be outright worried. this isn't how sandroba usually behaves. Lets be rational however, maybe its sandroba trying out a new style, trying a different method of playing, lets look at what he has actually contributed, maybe all our suspicion is unjustified, maybe he isn't posting plans because its a closed setup and he can't come up with anything, like talking about viging lurkers or avoiding tunnels or maintaining a pro-town atmosphere. Oh, wait, he says this, which is... fascinating. Its trying to *look* like one of his usual policy posts, but in reality its dodging discussion and not supporting his reasons. To me it looks like he is trying to emulate one of his usual policy/plan posts, but isn't willing to fully commit to it or the scrutiny it might put him under. So lets take a look at a couple of sandrobas wonderful contributions this game. Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 08:04 sandroba wrote:
Sup I don't think GGQ is scum. Suspcious people to me so far are iGrok and xfttfc whose behaviour day1 is 100% different than mafia xliv. xftc is being too absurdly confindent about his reads and even basing an entire scum team out of them when the game was only one page long (LOL). The whole notion is so ridiculous that to me it seems he is over compensating for his behaviour in the last game where he was townie and was found scummy by a lot of others. Makes no sense for a townie to throw acusations into 4 players this early with so little info, but it makes a lot of sense for scum to try to create this sort of confusion. I'd like you gather your thoughts and post in a more coherent manner until I decide if you are scum or not. You are right sandroba, throwing around suspicion *is* a mafia trait, great catch. I like how you mention iGrok in passing and don't actually say anything about him. Your description of xftc's behavior is pretty spot on, except your logic is all wrong. Scum *subtly* push lynches, they don't spearhead them, much less provide ridiculous scumlists, to me this looks like a shallow attempt to make an accusation out of almost no evidence. Notice how sandroba doesn't take a stance, notice how whishy washy the post is. He says X's (I'm never going to figure out how to spell his name) behavior "makes no sense for a townie", yet sandroba is willing to give him more time? He doesn't even vote for him, which is... odd... to say the least, considering how he just concluded town wouldn't be doing what X is doing. This post is worrying because its wishy-washy and non-committal Sandroba then proceeds to push suspicion onto iGrok by adding pressure to him, then out of the blue we have Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 07:04 sandroba wrote:
Alright TAA is the best lynch. No bullshit allowed here sir.
##Vote: TheAwesomeAll What the HELL? we went from this where sandroba was turning up the heat (yet oddly enough not voting, to this. Hint as a rule of thumb if you are on the same wagon as someone you consider suspicious you at least think twice about it. So, what does sandroba really do all of day 1? He pushes suspicion on two people, X and iGrok, defends GGQ and proceeds to vote for someone he hadn't even mentioned yet, with no reason given, can you say easy bandwagon? I could expand this post, looking at how he liked to push suspicion as scum, and how as town he is more active and questioning, but I don't honestly think its necessary, I'm pretty sure from what I've looked at alone we can tell he is scum. For those who dislike thinking, sandroba is scum because he 1.) Lurks like a madman, unlike his usual town play 2.) Shows wishy washyness 3.) Pushes suspicion around, something he had already said was anti-town 4.) Jumps on an easy bandwagon, with no justification5.) People in the thread keep calling him out on being scum, and then proceed to do exactly nothing. Sandroba is scum##Vote: SandrobaThe LORD is righteous:
he hath cut asunder the cords of the wicked.
Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion.
Let them be as the grass upon the housetops,
which withereth afore it groweth up:
wherewith the mower filleth not his hand;
nor he that bindeth sheaves his bosom.AMEN
And you were OK with a Bum lynch.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 12 2011 01:29 BayonnetAnderson wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2011 01:12 Curu wrote:
Based on right now I would lynch sinani, bum, Jackal, or Palmar. I don't know if sandroba is actually lack-of-interest Townie or doing syllogism style "lurk as scum even when pressured until people forget about you" but he has indicated he will post more. If he doesn't hold to this we can lynch him. Please, town sandroba doesn't do this, I don't care what he's promised, notice how he showed up less than 6 hours after my analysis to promise more contribution? The guy is scum, no bones about it. I'm also ok with the bum lynch, although I'm convinced WBG's "slip" isn't one, he's been way too fearless to be scum. I've been wrong in the past, but if WBG flipped red I would be exceedingly surprised.
But now you're voting with both of them.
I hate TV evangelists. You're all scummy con artists.
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On September 15 2011 08:38 Jackal58 wrote:You were so sure sandroba was scum. + Show Spoiler +On September 11 2011 12:41 BayonnetAnderson wrote:sandroba So, I was bored, so I went meta/lurker hunting, and I found the man of the hour, the person everyone seems to be willing to call out for lurking, yet no one seems to want to vote for or make a formal accusation of. Its time I changed that. Lets fliter sandroba and see what agenda he is pushing, what wonderful pro-town plans he has come up with, what awesome discussion he has begun. Here is his filterWhat jumps out at you right away? The guy has all of 10 posts! This is "active man" sandroba the guy who's posted such pro town sentiments as Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 09:36 sandroba wrote:
Sup people, I'd like to propose a new policy this game.
Instead of lynching lurkers and liars, which produce no info whatsoever, we leave them to be shot at night by our vigs, if they exist. We can adjust acordingly if they fail to do their job.
The policy is to lynch all non-sense. People are getting away too easily by throwing random acusations that make no sense to pretend to be scum hunting. This is to pressure mafia into skilfully captalizing into people's mistakes if they want to suceed and survive. They can't lurk, because they will be getting shot, and can't pretend to be dumb, cuz they will get lynched. Of course pressuring people is okay, but if you are pushing hard a lynch for a lynch based on shoody evidence I'll tunnel you into oblivion. and Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 00:04 sandroba wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Okay people. First let's try to keep the posts regarding personality flavor to a bare minimum. This only helps mafia to hide, so don't go out of your way role playing. I know some people might have some posting restrictions, but know that posting any more fluf than you absolutely have to is anti-town behaviour and you WILL be held accountable for it. Now I want this question answered by everybody: Let's look at kurumi and his Bill Murray claim. Being BM, he could easily be VI trying to get lynched day1. He could also have a terrible posting restriction. Or he could be mafia trying to cause chaos. But we can't know for sure, so what I ask you is this: Do you think personalities point to aligment this game? Or do you think they only point towards role/posting style? My guess would be that some personalities would have a very high chance of being a certain aligment (i.e. ace is prob scum), but others not so much. Do we notice any policy post this game? Any suggestion that we vigi lurkers, or any point of discussion offered? Any attempt at generating controversy? No, we really don't. To anyone who has played with town sandroba in the past, this should be setting off every alarm bell in the system. We should be outright worried. this isn't how sandroba usually behaves. Lets be rational however, maybe its sandroba trying out a new style, trying a different method of playing, lets look at what he has actually contributed, maybe all our suspicion is unjustified, maybe he isn't posting plans because its a closed setup and he can't come up with anything, like talking about viging lurkers or avoiding tunnels or maintaining a pro-town atmosphere. Oh, wait, he says this, which is... fascinating. Its trying to *look* like one of his usual policy posts, but in reality its dodging discussion and not supporting his reasons. To me it looks like he is trying to emulate one of his usual policy/plan posts, but isn't willing to fully commit to it or the scrutiny it might put him under. So lets take a look at a couple of sandrobas wonderful contributions this game. Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 08:04 sandroba wrote:
Sup I don't think GGQ is scum. Suspcious people to me so far are iGrok and xfttfc whose behaviour day1 is 100% different than mafia xliv. xftc is being too absurdly confindent about his reads and even basing an entire scum team out of them when the game was only one page long (LOL). The whole notion is so ridiculous that to me it seems he is over compensating for his behaviour in the last game where he was townie and was found scummy by a lot of others. Makes no sense for a townie to throw acusations into 4 players this early with so little info, but it makes a lot of sense for scum to try to create this sort of confusion. I'd like you gather your thoughts and post in a more coherent manner until I decide if you are scum or not. You are right sandroba, throwing around suspicion *is* a mafia trait, great catch. I like how you mention iGrok in passing and don't actually say anything about him. Your description of xftc's behavior is pretty spot on, except your logic is all wrong. Scum *subtly* push lynches, they don't spearhead them, much less provide ridiculous scumlists, to me this looks like a shallow attempt to make an accusation out of almost no evidence. Notice how sandroba doesn't take a stance, notice how whishy washy the post is. He says X's (I'm never going to figure out how to spell his name) behavior "makes no sense for a townie", yet sandroba is willing to give him more time? He doesn't even vote for him, which is... odd... to say the least, considering how he just concluded town wouldn't be doing what X is doing. This post is worrying because its wishy-washy and non-committal Sandroba then proceeds to push suspicion onto iGrok by adding pressure to him, then out of the blue we have Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 07:04 sandroba wrote:
Alright TAA is the best lynch. No bullshit allowed here sir.
##Vote: TheAwesomeAll What the HELL? we went from this where sandroba was turning up the heat (yet oddly enough not voting, to this. Hint as a rule of thumb if you are on the same wagon as someone you consider suspicious you at least think twice about it. So, what does sandroba really do all of day 1? He pushes suspicion on two people, X and iGrok, defends GGQ and proceeds to vote for someone he hadn't even mentioned yet, with no reason given, can you say easy bandwagon? I could expand this post, looking at how he liked to push suspicion as scum, and how as town he is more active and questioning, but I don't honestly think its necessary, I'm pretty sure from what I've looked at alone we can tell he is scum. For those who dislike thinking, sandroba is scum because he 1.) Lurks like a madman, unlike his usual town play 2.) Shows wishy washyness 3.) Pushes suspicion around, something he had already said was anti-town 4.) Jumps on an easy bandwagon, with no justification5.) People in the thread keep calling him out on being scum, and then proceed to do exactly nothing. Sandroba is scum##Vote: SandrobaThe LORD is righteous:
he hath cut asunder the cords of the wicked.
Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion.
Let them be as the grass upon the housetops,
which withereth afore it groweth up:
wherewith the mower filleth not his hand;
nor he that bindeth sheaves his bosom.AMEN And you were OK with a Bum lynch. + Show Spoiler +On September 12 2011 01:29 BayonnetAnderson wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2011 01:12 Curu wrote:
Based on right now I would lynch sinani, bum, Jackal, or Palmar. I don't know if sandroba is actually lack-of-interest Townie or doing syllogism style "lurk as scum even when pressured until people forget about you" but he has indicated he will post more. If he doesn't hold to this we can lynch him. Please, town sandroba doesn't do this, I don't care what he's promised, notice how he showed up less than 6 hours after my analysis to promise more contribution? The guy is scum, no bones about it. I'm also ok with the bum lynch, although I'm convinced WBG's "slip" isn't one, he's been way too fearless to be scum. I've been wrong in the past, but if WBG flipped red I would be exceedingly surprised. But now you're voting with both of them. I hate TV evangelists. You're all scummy con artists.
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On September 15 2011 08:41 BayonnetAnderson wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2011 08:38 Jackal58 wrote:You were so sure sandroba was scum. + Show Spoiler +On September 11 2011 12:41 BayonnetAnderson wrote:sandroba So, I was bored, so I went meta/lurker hunting, and I found the man of the hour, the person everyone seems to be willing to call out for lurking, yet no one seems to want to vote for or make a formal accusation of. Its time I changed that. Lets fliter sandroba and see what agenda he is pushing, what wonderful pro-town plans he has come up with, what awesome discussion he has begun. Here is his filterWhat jumps out at you right away? The guy has all of 10 posts! This is "active man" sandroba the guy who's posted such pro town sentiments as Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 09:36 sandroba wrote:
Sup people, I'd like to propose a new policy this game.
Instead of lynching lurkers and liars, which produce no info whatsoever, we leave them to be shot at night by our vigs, if they exist. We can adjust acordingly if they fail to do their job.
The policy is to lynch all non-sense. People are getting away too easily by throwing random acusations that make no sense to pretend to be scum hunting. This is to pressure mafia into skilfully captalizing into people's mistakes if they want to suceed and survive. They can't lurk, because they will be getting shot, and can't pretend to be dumb, cuz they will get lynched. Of course pressuring people is okay, but if you are pushing hard a lynch for a lynch based on shoody evidence I'll tunnel you into oblivion. and Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 00:04 sandroba wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Okay people. First let's try to keep the posts regarding personality flavor to a bare minimum. This only helps mafia to hide, so don't go out of your way role playing. I know some people might have some posting restrictions, but know that posting any more fluf than you absolutely have to is anti-town behaviour and you WILL be held accountable for it. Now I want this question answered by everybody: Let's look at kurumi and his Bill Murray claim. Being BM, he could easily be VI trying to get lynched day1. He could also have a terrible posting restriction. Or he could be mafia trying to cause chaos. But we can't know for sure, so what I ask you is this: Do you think personalities point to aligment this game? Or do you think they only point towards role/posting style? My guess would be that some personalities would have a very high chance of being a certain aligment (i.e. ace is prob scum), but others not so much. Do we notice any policy post this game? Any suggestion that we vigi lurkers, or any point of discussion offered? Any attempt at generating controversy? No, we really don't. To anyone who has played with town sandroba in the past, this should be setting off every alarm bell in the system. We should be outright worried. this isn't how sandroba usually behaves. Lets be rational however, maybe its sandroba trying out a new style, trying a different method of playing, lets look at what he has actually contributed, maybe all our suspicion is unjustified, maybe he isn't posting plans because its a closed setup and he can't come up with anything, like talking about viging lurkers or avoiding tunnels or maintaining a pro-town atmosphere. Oh, wait, he says this, which is... fascinating. Its trying to *look* like one of his usual policy posts, but in reality its dodging discussion and not supporting his reasons. To me it looks like he is trying to emulate one of his usual policy/plan posts, but isn't willing to fully commit to it or the scrutiny it might put him under. So lets take a look at a couple of sandrobas wonderful contributions this game. Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 08:04 sandroba wrote:
Sup I don't think GGQ is scum. Suspcious people to me so far are iGrok and xfttfc whose behaviour day1 is 100% different than mafia xliv. xftc is being too absurdly confindent about his reads and even basing an entire scum team out of them when the game was only one page long (LOL). The whole notion is so ridiculous that to me it seems he is over compensating for his behaviour in the last game where he was townie and was found scummy by a lot of others. Makes no sense for a townie to throw acusations into 4 players this early with so little info, but it makes a lot of sense for scum to try to create this sort of confusion. I'd like you gather your thoughts and post in a more coherent manner until I decide if you are scum or not. You are right sandroba, throwing around suspicion *is* a mafia trait, great catch. I like how you mention iGrok in passing and don't actually say anything about him. Your description of xftc's behavior is pretty spot on, except your logic is all wrong. Scum *subtly* push lynches, they don't spearhead them, much less provide ridiculous scumlists, to me this looks like a shallow attempt to make an accusation out of almost no evidence. Notice how sandroba doesn't take a stance, notice how whishy washy the post is. He says X's (I'm never going to figure out how to spell his name) behavior "makes no sense for a townie", yet sandroba is willing to give him more time? He doesn't even vote for him, which is... odd... to say the least, considering how he just concluded town wouldn't be doing what X is doing. This post is worrying because its wishy-washy and non-committal Sandroba then proceeds to push suspicion onto iGrok by adding pressure to him, then out of the blue we have Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 07:04 sandroba wrote:
Alright TAA is the best lynch. No bullshit allowed here sir.
##Vote: TheAwesomeAll What the HELL? we went from this where sandroba was turning up the heat (yet oddly enough not voting, to this. Hint as a rule of thumb if you are on the same wagon as someone you consider suspicious you at least think twice about it. So, what does sandroba really do all of day 1? He pushes suspicion on two people, X and iGrok, defends GGQ and proceeds to vote for someone he hadn't even mentioned yet, with no reason given, can you say easy bandwagon? I could expand this post, looking at how he liked to push suspicion as scum, and how as town he is more active and questioning, but I don't honestly think its necessary, I'm pretty sure from what I've looked at alone we can tell he is scum. For those who dislike thinking, sandroba is scum because he 1.) Lurks like a madman, unlike his usual town play 2.) Shows wishy washyness 3.) Pushes suspicion around, something he had already said was anti-town 4.) Jumps on an easy bandwagon, with no justification5.) People in the thread keep calling him out on being scum, and then proceed to do exactly nothing. Sandroba is scum##Vote: SandrobaThe LORD is righteous:
he hath cut asunder the cords of the wicked.
Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion.
Let them be as the grass upon the housetops,
which withereth afore it groweth up:
wherewith the mower filleth not his hand;
nor he that bindeth sheaves his bosom.AMEN And you were OK with a Bum lynch. + Show Spoiler +On September 12 2011 01:29 BayonnetAnderson wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2011 01:12 Curu wrote:
Based on right now I would lynch sinani, bum, Jackal, or Palmar. I don't know if sandroba is actually lack-of-interest Townie or doing syllogism style "lurk as scum even when pressured until people forget about you" but he has indicated he will post more. If he doesn't hold to this we can lynch him. Please, town sandroba doesn't do this, I don't care what he's promised, notice how he showed up less than 6 hours after my analysis to promise more contribution? The guy is scum, no bones about it. I'm also ok with the bum lynch, although I'm convinced WBG's "slip" isn't one, he's been way too fearless to be scum. I've been wrong in the past, but if WBG flipped red I would be exceedingly surprised. But now you're voting with both of them. I hate TV evangelists. You're all scummy con artists.
If you want to fuck up somebodies day do it right.
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United States4714 Posts
For any townies that are on palmar right now.
Look at the people who are on his voting list, Bum (shady), sandroba (unbelievably shady), Xt (lists no reason for his vote and is flying way under the radar), BA as jackal just pointed out was gunho for lynching sandroba/bum yesterday but now out of nowhere is siding with them, GGQ.
Do you really believe all of these people are town? Would jackal/palmar both randomly fake claim dt out of nowhere today? I mean seriously tell me why they would do this? Especially when they could very easily have pushed for sandroba today.
Also look at this from a balance viewpoint. If jackal/palmar are both fake claiming dts then town has just one medic (which roleblocks its target), a double voter and possibly 1/2 vigs. If that is the case what possible sense does it make for town to have a PGO? It would be incredibly op. The jailbreaker would roleblock the PGO (I assume) so the PGO would literally have no town role it could randomly kill besides the vigs. PGO's are generally only used in cases where there are plenty of townie roles they could accidentally kill because otherwise they are way way too strong since they are virtually guaranteed to kill a mafia, if they aren't lynched.
So seriously use some common sense. Look closely at the people voting palmar right now and look at the fact that it makes absolutely no sense for there to be a pgo in this game when there are no townie roles it could accidentally kill.
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Zona has been pushing Bum since day 1. And now she believes him more than Palmar. Zona claims to have shot BA. BA miraculously got protected by a dead guy. C'mon guys this shit is getting just too convenient. iGrok made the perfect target for a scum day vig. Nobody questioned it.
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