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On September 14 2011 11:05 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 04:56 GGQ wrote: Just posting to say that this game is a mindfuck, and I've really lost my grip on it. I'm gonna have to re-read at least once before I'm ready to vote.
Right now I'm leaning towards believing bumatlarge, as his claim is more consistent with his behavior (blueslip at the beginning of the game, subtly warning zona not to visit him; all this could be faked of course but that would take a lot of planning), imo, than palmar's or jackal's. Only thing is that paranoid gun owner doesn't seem like a role that Ace would use as it seems a little too luck-based. But that's just me speculating, it doesn't outweigh the player's behavior in game. In a game this size with 2 cops it makes perfect sense to have a pgo. On the scum team.
Except that no matter what team bumatlarge is on, if he's a pgo, palmar's lying because if he checked bum he'd be dead.
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On September 14 2011 12:05 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 11:05 Jackal58 wrote:On September 14 2011 04:56 GGQ wrote: Just posting to say that this game is a mindfuck, and I've really lost my grip on it. I'm gonna have to re-read at least once before I'm ready to vote.
Right now I'm leaning towards believing bumatlarge, as his claim is more consistent with his behavior (blueslip at the beginning of the game, subtly warning zona not to visit him; all this could be faked of course but that would take a lot of planning), imo, than palmar's or jackal's. Only thing is that paranoid gun owner doesn't seem like a role that Ace would use as it seems a little too luck-based. But that's just me speculating, it doesn't outweigh the player's behavior in game. In a game this size with 2 cops it makes perfect sense to have a pgo. On the scum team. Except that no matter what team bumatlarge is on, if he's a pgo, palmar's lying because if he checked bum he'd be dead.
Oh no ggq what they meant to say was im not pgo yeah thats it nod nod
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On September 14 2011 09:21 chaos13 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 04:36 Ace wrote:Day 3 votes
Palmar - sandroba, bumatlarge
Why are mafia not hammering this shut? Two possible scenarios 1. Palmar is scum 2. One or both of sand/bum is scum I'm more inclined to believe option two is the correct one, since I don't understand Palmar's claim from a mafia perspective. And if Palmar's and Jackal's claims are true, then bumatlarge is scum for sure. ##unvote ##vote bumatlarge why do you prefer to lynch bum rather than sandroba?
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time for being careful is over. Bum claimed a role which he cannot be seeing as I am still alive. He's lying, and thus he's scum
##Vote Bumatlarge
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Day 3 votes
Palmar(2) - sandroba, bumatlarge bumatlarge(2) - Palmar, chaos13
With 10 alive, it is 6 to lynch. Day ends ~17 hours from now on Thursday September 15th at 12:00 AM ET/13:00 KST
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##unvote ##Vote bumatlarge
Since you missed it earlier
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I believe sandroba to be scum. I believe Chaos13 to be town. I gotta roll with Palmar being an insane cop. I can see no reason for the GF to make the claim he did today. So ya I gotta think Bum is lying. ##VOTE: Bumatlarge
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Alright, if you're really a real town player, I want you to consider these things:
Obviously, we lynch between bumatlarge and Palmar, as their claims directly contradict each other, one must be lying. bumatlarge claims to be a paranoid gun owner, a role which shoots anyone who visits him. Palmar claims that in his capacity as a cop, he checked bumatlarge.
Second, among the 10 players who are alive and can post, FOUR are mafia...that means there could be up to 4 players lying together in a coordinated manner. Consider this before you listen to what everyone else says.
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Also, to our cops, I'm guessing neither of you breadcrumbed your investigations?
...Since you didn't mention anything when you made your claims.
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I believe bumatlarge over Palmar at the moment.
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On September 15 2011 01:09 Zona wrote: Also, to our cops, I'm guessing neither of you breadcrumbed your investigations?
...Since you didn't mention anything when you made your claims.
I think me completely disregarding any case on bumatlarge yesterday was a good enough breadcrumb. You even specifically asked if I had any other reason to believe he was town, and I chose not to answer that question, as I did not want to claim at that point.
It's not until I got the incorrect check on WBG that I decided to actually claim, because it was clearly a wrong result. Then Jackal claimed his result of WBG being the same alignment as me, so WBG cannot have been framed, as Jackal and I would not get conflicting result.
So that basically leaves me being an insane cop, thus my innocent result on Bum is actually a guilty result.
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So the only possible way for palmar to be red is if A) jackal and palmar are both mafia and both fake claimed dt (seems unlikely for 2 mafia to risk fake claiming dt when there would likely be another dt to counter claim them) or B) palmar is gf/framed the night jackal checked him (possible but would have to be extremely bad luck for town)
Along with that if palmar is mafia why did he claim at the start of the day? If palmar is mafia and sandroba is town there would be literally 0 reason for palmar to ever fake claim. It was clear I was going to push for sandroba's lynch today and most of the town highly suspected him. So why would palmar ever do it as mafia when it would draw huge suspicion onto himself and why would he make a claim that implicated bum as red instead of sandroba? The only plausible scenario I can see is if him/sandroba are both mafia but if that's the case why have palmar claim dt instead of sandroba and why have sandroba attack the claim so ferociously? It's lylo there isn't any need for mafia to try and set up plans to buy future town cred so I would expect sandroba to either remain silent or support palmar if they were both mafia.
I still think sandroba is mafia. 3 different excuses and being afk for basically 6 days of real time is too unlike him. And It was clear sandroba didn't care at all about the town making the correct decisions before today. He only appeared today out of nowhere once palmar made a claim which implicated bum. So considering jackal's green check on palmar and the fact that there is 0 mafia motivation for palmar to fake claim in this spot I think bum/sandroba are both mafia.
I will most likely be voting bum but I will wait a bit longer incase any new information is presented.
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Actually when I claim I thought bum was innocent and wbg framed, only after jackal explained his claim I realized what was up.
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I am not sure what I make of the Palmar vs Bum dilemma, so I'm going for the safer option.
##Vote: Sandroba
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That's actually really bad xtf... we're in lylo.
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Yea xt bum/palmar have directly conflicting claims. We need to lynch one of them today. And its lylo you can't vote a 3rd party which could create a no lynch.
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On September 15 2011 03:25 xtfftc wrote: I am not sure what I make of the Palmar vs Bum dilemma, so I'm going for the safer option.
##Vote: Sandroba That option is for a no lynch There is no safety there at all. We need 6 votes to have a chance at winning. Palmar or Bum. Grow a pair. Vote Bum.
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There was a total of 5 votes before mine - there's clearly enough time to lynch Sandroba.
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On September 15 2011 03:48 xtfftc wrote: There was a total of 5 votes before mine - there's clearly enough time to lynch Sandroba. There were two votes on Palmar. If either were from a townie scum would have hammered him.
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Who exactly is advocating for a palmar lynch besides me? Zona who is basically confirmed town and bum who is the other suspect. Seeing this situation I can only assume bum is indeed town. But let's assume me and bum are mafia for a moment. So you think that the other 2 "mafia" besides me and bum just decided to bus bum in the beggining of the day even when palmar's claim makes no sense at all. Obviously palmar is mafia. If you lynch bum you are gonna lose.
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