Some Mafia Game - Page 36

On September 14 2011 01:28 Palmar wrote:


your point no 4 is just plain wrong. you guys didn't shoot me because people suspect me.

For 4 to happen Bum doesn't need to have been framed, all it takes is wbg being framed on day 2, and me actually being sane, that's the explanation I'd go with.

But thanks, now you've just confirmed you're not using logic this game, you're scum.

And why would I not defend a person who I have an innocent check on, it's only after I got the false check on wbg that I started doubting my sanity or the possibility of framers.

On September 14 2011 01:28 Palmar wrote:


your point no 4 is just plain wrong. you guys didn't shoot me because people suspect me.

For 4 to happen Bum doesn't need to have been framed, all it takes is wbg being framed on day 2, and me actually being sane, that's the explanation I'd go with.

But thanks, now you've just confirmed you're not using logic this game, you're scum.

And why would I not defend a person who I have an innocent check on, it's only after I got the false check on wbg that I started doubting my sanity or the possibility of framers.

On September 14 2011 01:49 sandroba wrote:
Okay I'm gonna wait for more claims before writing stuff. I'm curious as to what bum is gonna claim.
Jackal, do you believe that there are 2 cops in this 16 person game? Have you cconsider the possibility of palmar being GF/framed day1 and thus mafia? WTF? Why are you not jumping on palmar like a maniac?

On September 14 2011 00:21 xtfftc wrote:
I don't believe Palmar's claim. His "WBG is 100% mafia" - i.e. "I know because I checked him" - would have attracted unnecessary attention to a blue in case WBG was indeed mafia. It makes perfect sense for them: Palmar isn't contributing as much because he has a power role and doesn't want to put himself out there too much.

But if Palmar's claim is fake it all fits. A lot of people are suspicious of him and now that Curu and WBG are dead and confirmed as townies, their repeatedly stated suspicions of Palmar might put him in the spotlight. So, he tries to achieve a mislynch that would probably win mafia the game. Moreover, he has been careful not to say too much in his analysis, so it's unlikely that he has incriminated fellow mafia and having him as confirmed red might not be too bad for them.

And it's not like it's too big of a risk for him to get lynched. Claiming a DT would definitely attract additional attention to Palmar - as if there wasn't quite a lot already - but is unlikely to get him lynched immediately. He did not put himself in a situation that would lead to his lynch in case the information he gave us is wrong because he didn't give us any information whatsoever. What value does town get out of his claim? That there might be a framer or that perhaps Palmar is insane or that people got bussed. As if we didn't know that there's a ton of possibilities with this setup. So, maybe mafia framed WBG on Night 1 or Bum is mafia because he returned green - but we don't really know?
Also, am I correct in assuming that a framed townie would return green to an insane DT? So perhaps Bum got framed...? Palmar is smart enough to consider the possible scenarios and realise that revealing his role would not help town. If he wanted protection, he could have claimed after the lynch.

Also, his checks do not match his posts. He kept on defending Bum during Day 1 and checked him afterwards. Then he said he's "100% sure" on WBG being mafia before checking him. Let's say that Palmar is indeed a DT and was afraid of getting shot. Naturally, as soon as his role was revealed, everyone would start looking for breadcrumbs and see Palmar's "100%" as a proof that WBG is guilty. Although WBG sort of asked for this reply with his question (What chance do you give me of flipping scum?), so perhaps I'm reading too much into it.

I'd appreciate other people's thoughts on both Palmar's claim and my reading of it.

On September 14 2011 02:12 sandroba wrote:
What do you say about my analysis of there being no roleblockers? Do you still think 2 cops is plausible?
Man this is a fucking 16 man game!!! No way there are 2 cops. Also palmar is making no sense and thus is scum. Since I find it hard to believe you would claim cop as scum AFTER Palmar just claimed cop, I'm going to tentatively believe your claim. Why did you check those guys and you never checked me though? I've been thouroughly discussed since night one.

On September 14 2011 02:28 xtfftc wrote:
We have already discussed why voting immediately can only help mafia, so if you are town, don't vote. Sandroba and Bum are either mafia or really sloppy - either way, following their votes is bad.

On September 14 2011 02:20 Palmar wrote:


two gimp cops, the only medic in the game yet also roleblocks whoever he protects, so that works like a roleblocker anyway.

you're crazy.

@Jackal, why didn't you claim your result right away? You had information and we're in lylo.

On September 14 2011 02:12 sandroba wrote:
What do you say about my analysis of there being no roleblockers? Do you still think 2 cops is plausible?
Man this is a fucking 16 man game!!! No way there are 2 cops. Also palmar is making no sense and thus is scum. Since I find it hard to believe you would claim cop as scum AFTER Palmar just claimed cop, I'm going to tentatively believe your claim. Why did you check those guys and you never checked me though? I've been thouroughly discussed since night one.

On September 14 2011 02:31 bumatlarge wrote:


Or it's pretty obvious that palmar is scum. You gave all the reasons yourself. Do you really think sandroba and I are scumbuddies rather then jackal and palmar?

On September 14 2011 02:31 bumatlarge wrote:


Or it's pretty obvious that palmar is scum. You gave all the reasons yourself. Do you really think sandroba and I are scumbuddies rather then jackal and palmar?