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sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
September 13 2011 16:37 GMT
#701
WBG GOT FRAMED AND SHOT??? Who the hell would do that, am I the one not using logic? And to answer your next question, because you don't know your sanity yet. One of the following things should happen if you were DT: either your role states that you might be insane/sane/paranoid/naive or you ask Ace if that's a possibility since basically all games ace has hosted with dts it functions that way. Your claim is just convinient as shit.

1) Say you are suspicious of wbg for no reason on the previous day so it justifies your check today.
2) Conviniently WBG gets shot. Claim that lul wbg might have been framed and shot.
3) ????
4) Profit.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
September 13 2011 16:40 GMT
#702
On September 14 2011 01:28 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 01:18 sandroba wrote:
I'm towny. Okay this claim possibly means 3 things:
1) Palmar is scum and Bum town. Makes some sense.
2) Bum is scum and Palmar is town. The odds of mafia framing wbg the night they shot him are simply ridiculous. That means Palmar is insane if really a DT. Palmar has to know this and if he was town he would be pushing for bum like a crazy man today, not suddenly deciding to go after me after he said yesterday he believed me. Doesn't make a lot of sense. Palmar just has no reason to assume bum got framed night one. Also not knowing about his sanity in the first place he would not be yelling bum is town before he confirmed it.
3) Both are scum. This makes the most sense, because palmar is not going after bum, which would make his story the most believable.
4)Both are town. For this to happen Bum needs to have been framed night one and palmar has to be behaving like an idiot as a DT. He keeps yelling Bum is town for no reason and somehow mafia doesn't pick up on this and shoot him. Not likely at all.


your point no 4 is just plain wrong. you guys didn't shoot me because people suspect me.

For 4 to happen Bum doesn't need to have been framed, all it takes is wbg being framed on day 2, and me actually being sane, that's the explanation I'd go with.

But thanks, now you've just confirmed you're not using logic this game, you're scum.

And why would I not defend a person who I have an innocent check on, it's only after I got the false check on wbg that I started doubting my sanity or the possibility of framers.

That's because you are scum.
##Vote: Palmar

Thoughts on other people still following later.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 13 2011 16:40 GMT
#703
On September 14 2011 01:28 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 01:18 sandroba wrote:
I'm towny. Okay this claim possibly means 3 things:
1) Palmar is scum and Bum town. Makes some sense.
2) Bum is scum and Palmar is town. The odds of mafia framing wbg the night they shot him are simply ridiculous. That means Palmar is insane if really a DT. Palmar has to know this and if he was town he would be pushing for bum like a crazy man today, not suddenly deciding to go after me after he said yesterday he believed me. Doesn't make a lot of sense. Palmar just has no reason to assume bum got framed night one. Also not knowing about his sanity in the first place he would not be yelling bum is town before he confirmed it.
3) Both are scum. This makes the most sense, because palmar is not going after bum, which would make his story the most believable.
4)Both are town. For this to happen Bum needs to have been framed night one and palmar has to be behaving like an idiot as a DT. He keeps yelling Bum is town for no reason and somehow mafia doesn't pick up on this and shoot him. Not likely at all.


your point no 4 is just plain wrong. you guys didn't shoot me because people suspect me.

For 4 to happen Bum doesn't need to have been framed, all it takes is wbg being framed on day 2, and me actually being sane, that's the explanation I'd go with.

But thanks, now you've just confirmed you're not using logic this game, you're scum.

And why would I not defend a person who I have an innocent check on, it's only after I got the false check on wbg that I started doubting my sanity or the possibility of framers.

You're insane. If WBG were framed I would have gotten a different result on my check.
I've now run through this check I got back in as many different scenarios as I can imagine and they all tell me you are insane. Bum is scum
I am a parity cop. My day 1 check is a null tell. Every check after that comes back as "same" or "different" regarding that players alignment. I checked you on night 1 and got a null reading. I checked WBG last night and the result was "same". Meaning you are both the same alignment. If WBG was framed I would have gotten a "different" response on my check - in essence framing you. I can't come up with any other scenario that allows Bugs to flip blue and you get a guilty read on him. You're fucking nuts bro. Let's lynch Bum.
Life can only kill you once.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
September 13 2011 16:49 GMT
#704
Okay I'm gonna wait for more claims before writing stuff. I'm curious as to what bum is gonna claim.
Jackal, do you believe that there are 2 cops in this 16 person game? Have you cconsider the possibility of palmar being GF/framed day1 and thus mafia? WTF? Why are you not jumping on palmar like a maniac?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
September 13 2011 17:03 GMT
#705
And zona did you shoot bayonnet? Btw I believe bayonnet is kavdragon if anyone need to compare meta.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 13 2011 17:05 GMT
#706
On September 14 2011 01:49 sandroba wrote:
Okay I'm gonna wait for more claims before writing stuff. I'm curious as to what bum is gonna claim.
Jackal, do you believe that there are 2 cops in this 16 person game? Have you cconsider the possibility of palmar being GF/framed day1 and thus mafia? WTF? Why are you not jumping on palmar like a maniac?

Palmar could be GF. If he was I have no idea why he would have claimed DT today though. And yes 2 cops is not out of the question. My role requires multiple checks to work. And if the other one is insane that's just fucked up if he were the only one. In either case it requires both of us multiple days/checks to get information. So ya quite believable.
Life can only kill you once.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 13 2011 17:11 GMT
#707
Can we get more claims?

I think Jackal's claim is legit, re-reading to see if he's town or scum, if he's town we lynch bum.
Computer says mafia
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
September 13 2011 17:12 GMT
#708
What do you say about my analysis of there being no roleblockers? Do you still think 2 cops is plausible?
Man this is a fucking 16 man game!!! No way there are 2 cops. Also palmar is making no sense and thus is scum. Since I find it hard to believe you would claim cop as scum AFTER Palmar just claimed cop, I'm going to tentatively believe your claim. Why did you check those guys and you never checked me though? I've been thouroughly discussed since night one.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
September 13 2011 17:16 GMT
#709
On September 14 2011 00:21 xtfftc wrote:
I don't believe Palmar's claim. His "WBG is 100% mafia" - i.e. "I know because I checked him" - would have attracted unnecessary attention to a blue in case WBG was indeed mafia. It makes perfect sense for them: Palmar isn't contributing as much because he has a power role and doesn't want to put himself out there too much.

But if Palmar's claim is fake it all fits. A lot of people are suspicious of him and now that Curu and WBG are dead and confirmed as townies, their repeatedly stated suspicions of Palmar might put him in the spotlight. So, he tries to achieve a mislynch that would probably win mafia the game. Moreover, he has been careful not to say too much in his analysis, so it's unlikely that he has incriminated fellow mafia and having him as confirmed red might not be too bad for them.

And it's not like it's too big of a risk for him to get lynched. Claiming a DT would definitely attract additional attention to Palmar - as if there wasn't quite a lot already - but is unlikely to get him lynched immediately. He did not put himself in a situation that would lead to his lynch in case the information he gave us is wrong because he didn't give us any information whatsoever. What value does town get out of his claim? That there might be a framer or that perhaps Palmar is insane or that people got bussed. As if we didn't know that there's a ton of possibilities with this setup. So, maybe mafia framed WBG on Night 1 or Bum is mafia because he returned green - but we don't really know?
Also, am I correct in assuming that a framed townie would return green to an insane DT? So perhaps Bum got framed...? Palmar is smart enough to consider the possible scenarios and realise that revealing his role would not help town. If he wanted protection, he could have claimed after the lynch.

Also, his checks do not match his posts. He kept on defending Bum during Day 1 and checked him afterwards. Then he said he's "100% sure" on WBG being mafia before checking him. Let's say that Palmar is indeed a DT and was afraid of getting shot. Naturally, as soon as his role was revealed, everyone would start looking for breadcrumbs and see Palmar's "100%" as a proof that WBG is guilty. Although WBG sort of asked for this reply with his question (What chance do you give me of flipping scum?), so perhaps I'm reading too much into it.

I'd appreciate other people's thoughts on both Palmar's claim and my reading of it.


I completely agree. I have other reasons why palmar is 100% scum, but I would rather hear what zona has to claim when she comes back.

##Vote Palmar

Him checking me makes no sense, after the heavy defense he made.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 13 2011 17:20 GMT
#710
On September 14 2011 02:12 sandroba wrote:
What do you say about my analysis of there being no roleblockers? Do you still think 2 cops is plausible?
Man this is a fucking 16 man game!!! No way there are 2 cops. Also palmar is making no sense and thus is scum. Since I find it hard to believe you would claim cop as scum AFTER Palmar just claimed cop, I'm going to tentatively believe your claim. Why did you check those guys and you never checked me though? I've been thouroughly discussed since night one.


two gimp cops, the only medic in the game yet also roleblocks whoever he protects, so that works like a roleblocker anyway.

you're crazy.

@Jackal, why didn't you claim your result right away? You had information and we're in lylo.
Computer says mafia
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
September 13 2011 17:22 GMT
#711
It doesn't work as a roleblocker because scum cannot relly on it nor has previous knowledge of his existance. Now I'm crazy? Wasn't I scum just a moment before?
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 13 2011 17:26 GMT
#712
and still are.

cba with arguing with you right now, I'll come back later when more town
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 13 2011 17:27 GMT
#713
ebwop: when more townies are around to actually read what's going on, don't fucking vote for me unless you're scum. If two townies vote and I get blitzed then I'm going to tackle someone.
Computer says mafia
xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
September 13 2011 17:28 GMT
#714
We have already discussed why voting immediately can only help mafia, so if you are town, don't vote. Sandroba and Bum are either mafia or really sloppy - either way, following their votes is bad.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
September 13 2011 17:31 GMT
#715
On September 14 2011 02:28 xtfftc wrote:
We have already discussed why voting immediately can only help mafia, so if you are town, don't vote. Sandroba and Bum are either mafia or really sloppy - either way, following their votes is bad.


Or it's pretty obvious that palmar is scum. You gave all the reasons yourself. Do you really think sandroba and I are scumbuddies rather then jackal and palmar?
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 13 2011 17:36 GMT
#716
On September 14 2011 02:20 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 02:12 sandroba wrote:
What do you say about my analysis of there being no roleblockers? Do you still think 2 cops is plausible?
Man this is a fucking 16 man game!!! No way there are 2 cops. Also palmar is making no sense and thus is scum. Since I find it hard to believe you would claim cop as scum AFTER Palmar just claimed cop, I'm going to tentatively believe your claim. Why did you check those guys and you never checked me though? I've been thouroughly discussed since night one.


two gimp cops, the only medic in the game yet also roleblocks whoever he protects, so that works like a roleblocker anyway.

you're crazy.

@Jackal, why didn't you claim your result right away? You had information and we're in lylo.

Why do you think I asked you if you checked Bugs? I checked him as well. I didn't like your claim of him showing up red and flipping blue when I used you as a baseline for my checks.

On September 14 2011 02:12 sandroba wrote:
What do you say about my analysis of there being no roleblockers? Do you still think 2 cops is plausible?
Man this is a fucking 16 man game!!! No way there are 2 cops. Also palmar is making no sense and thus is scum. Since I find it hard to believe you would claim cop as scum AFTER Palmar just claimed cop, I'm going to tentatively believe your claim. Why did you check those guys and you never checked me though? I've been thouroughly discussed since night one.

Because I'm already positive you're scum. Bugs I wasn't sure of. I chose Palmar first because he's easy to contrast against.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 13 2011 17:37 GMT
#717
On September 14 2011 02:31 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 02:28 xtfftc wrote:
We have already discussed why voting immediately can only help mafia, so if you are town, don't vote. Sandroba and Bum are either mafia or really sloppy - either way, following their votes is bad.


Or it's pretty obvious that palmar is scum. You gave all the reasons yourself. Do you really think sandroba and I are scumbuddies rather then jackal and palmar?

Yes.
Life can only kill you once.
xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
September 13 2011 17:48 GMT
#718
On September 14 2011 02:31 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 02:28 xtfftc wrote:
We have already discussed why voting immediately can only help mafia, so if you are town, don't vote. Sandroba and Bum are either mafia or really sloppy - either way, following their votes is bad.


Or it's pretty obvious that palmar is scum. You gave all the reasons yourself. Do you really think sandroba and I are scumbuddies rather then jackal and palmar?


There's plenty of reasons. One of the main ones is that Sandroba has to do a lot today if he wants to avoid the lynch. If we reach a majority quickly, he might use the opportunity to stay relatively quiet for one more cycle. The fact that Sandroba and Palmar are arguing with each other doesn't prove that they are of opposing alignment.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
September 13 2011 17:50 GMT
#719
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
September 13 2011 17:53 GMT
#720
Okay, I did try to shoot bayonnet as I thought that a mafia dayvig would be the greatest threat to town. Since no one else has claimed being roleblocked, it's likely that I misread the night 1 roleblock on me as a mafia roleblock. (If we go with the idea mafia has no roleblocker - maybe they have a doc? Or, maybe the 12/4 setup has them with very little in special abilities?!?)

My mind is open to anyone's arguments, except Palmar's, as I still don't believe him in any way. However, if we assume Palmar's claim is true, it's likely he's insane, but consider that my case on bumatlarge is weaker now that we know the roleblock on me was because of jailing, not a mafia roleblock.

Sandroba's appeared now, at LYLO, after a series of excuses that got worse and worse. The "playing LoL" excuse is entirely inadmissable after PROMISING to show up and play.

Chances are, a number of mafia are among the non-contributors, and town non-contributors are really helping them hide.

There are three guns around at night. Mine, and two others. Night 1 my gun didn't fire, someone's gun fired at me, and someone fired at JeeJee. Night 2 I shot bayonnet, which failed. And wherebugsgo and Curu were also shot.

It is my belief that one other gun started in the hands of a role like mine, and the other is the mafia's only night kp. However, I note that I've misread several things in this game.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
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