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On September 06 2011 10:53 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 10:47 Ace wrote:On September 06 2011 10:41 bumatlarge wrote:my game ending role Wow this is the first I've heard of this. Mind sharing Ace? I actually typed it out, but I restrained just in case there really is some Mafia role out there that can do something insane. Also, would double high priests break the set-up? I'm thinking it's completely plausible with what we are seeing so far, since we haven't seen an unlynchable claim or shoot, and there is only one coroner. Losing an HP would really rough up town, and the likelihood of them overlapping is huge.
I've been thinking about this too, and it also irks me. If we have a Coroner and a backup Coroner then we might also have 2 priests. I don't see why iGrok would give us 2 Coroners when losing the priest is just as bad for the Town if this holds. The thing about revival is that once a dead player comes back to life, he has every incentive to claim knowing he will die again. But no one seems to realize this, or is purposely not mentioning this. Reviving Varpulis is actually the best move the Town can make right now.
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On September 06 2011 10:55 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 10:52 Ace wrote:On September 06 2011 10:44 bumatlarge wrote:
Ace you can't convince sandroba because I guarentee you he is scum this game. He will just keep using his roleblocked excuse to incriminate me, and then because ON agrees with me, well then ON is mafia too.
Mafia has no roleblocker, they could not save redff. You just have to push that that is not the sace because you are scum. 4 scum and no blocker would not surprise me in the slightest. Yea I already figured him out. I'm just doing this for kicks. You'd think someone would revive Varpulis right now or at least push for it heavily. Oh well. This right here should prove that Ace has no desire to be helping town, because he hasn't read the thread.one can revive Varpulis now because he's been dead for more than 48 hours.NOOB.
How are you so sure? (be careful, this is a trick question)
Why wasn't he revived the day after he died? Oh right, because someone claimed Coroner. Lulz.
Scrub.
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On September 06 2011 10:57 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 10:43 Ace wrote:On September 06 2011 10:40 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 06 2011 10:38 Ace wrote:
you seem like a huge advocate for balanced games and get really pissed when set ups venture off the norm. So I'm going to put a little bit of faith in you and ask you: How often do you see no-flip games with 15 people have more than 3 scum? Because sandroba's explanation (which makes sense to me) seems to suggest otherwise.
I only get pissed when setups venture off the norm without trying to balance both sides. Which happens a lot because most hosts dont do What If scenarios. But whatever. No flip games with 15 people having more than 3 Scum: A.) 15 player Normals often dont have more than 3 Scum anyway. B.) Reading through the OP there is a possibility for more than 3 Scum because of revival roles for the Town. If the Coroner can confirm players as pro-town then even being revived for 1 Day is a major advantage for the Town. It's essentially a temporary Tree Stump. That being said having more than 3 Scum so that the Town doesn't run wild is likely. C.) redFF, sinani, myself, bumatlarge, jackal - all claimed roles. I know I'm town, and even assuming sinani and redFF are Town, bum being Scum, and Jackal being Town then there has to be some kind of revival role left out there. 2 Coroners, my game ending role, Jackal's alleged role: Thats a lot of power on the Town side. Either the Mafia would have 3 players with brutal roles or more than 3. If we accept that the inhibitor was 1 of them then that leaves 2 Mafia power roles. They'd pretty much have to have the necromancer or some revival roles or else as I said above - this game would end quickly. Which means the last power role has to be something awesome if there are 3 Mafia. A 1 shot sure-fire kill is great, but doesn't scream monstrous to me. I'm not buying the there has to be 3 Mafia argument yet. If you have such a kickass role that activates when you die, why the fuck are you so scared of getting lynched? Really? Show me where I have been scared of getting lynched. Come on read the thread - have I REALLY been trying hard not to get lynched? lol what a scrub Really simple: Look at Ace's behaviour and activity day 1 and 2 when he was not up for a lynch. His first big post of the game was when ON and bum (his scum buddies) were up for lynching. Now that he is up for a lynch holy shit HUGE spike in activity and arguing his little heart out. How come you were so uninterested in the game before ace? If you are town (lol) and have this game ending ability you can go ahead and kill me with it (or do w/e you will make up later when things look dire).
I'm posting more because I actually have time. Nice try though. My "huge spike in activity" doesn't imply anything about my alignment. The fact that I'm actually trying to die pretty much cements that. derp derp.
On September 06 2011 10:58 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 10:55 Ace wrote:On September 06 2011 10:52 sandroba wrote:
In a setup with double lynch and 4 mafia they are guaranteed to lynch a townie and keep 2 kp the whole game if town double mislynches day1, thus making it impossible for town to win. I think I've proven that already? Yeah, I have. They can have the 2 KP. The Town has a Coroner and revival roles. Every time a Townie revives he is effectively a Tree Stump so the game isn't impossible for the Town to win. GG thanks for playing. They get to KEEP 2 kp no matter what. Prove I'm wrong.
I said you can keep the 2 KP. Your scenario breaks because revived Townies always have incentive to claim. derp derp.
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On September 06 2011 11:02 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 16:40 iGrok wrote:Player List- Jackal58 (2)
- RedFF (D)
Sknowman
- Kenpachi
- wherebugsgo
- sinani206 (2)
- Drazerk (2)
- jcarlsoniv
Varpulis
- Ace
- Original Name (D)
- Palmar (D)
- chaos13
- bumatlarge
- Sandroba
(2) Means on their second Life (D) Means currently Dead Name Means Permanently Dead Replacements Let me REPEAT, since Ace is too noob to be able to read the OP:
On September 06 2011 11:03 Jackal58 wrote:
Varpulis has decomposed I believe. No res for him. Read the updated player list Ace. Then read the last daypost if you don't believe that.
On September 06 2011 11:01 sandroba wrote:
Go read the OP ace.
Also I'm tired of arguing with scum. While fun, it's kinda pointless.
I was actually hoping you quoted the OP. Perfect. Remember when I said it was a trick question?
Coroner
Can look at a corpse and determine alignment and role. May be used any time, and will instantly return the information (as soon as I get the pm).
Why doesn't this apply to redFF's and sinani's claims?
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bum, he knows this stuff or at least he should. I've said sandroba was pretty good in the 1 game I played with him (when he was Scum) and I read another game he was in but don't remember much of it.
He's also seen the various discussions between myself and Incognito on what constitutes bad Town play. I don't think he's that blind.
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On September 06 2011 11:09 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 11:05 Ace wrote:On September 06 2011 10:57 sandroba wrote:On September 06 2011 10:43 Ace wrote:On September 06 2011 10:40 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 06 2011 10:38 Ace wrote:
you seem like a huge advocate for balanced games and get really pissed when set ups venture off the norm. So I'm going to put a little bit of faith in you and ask you: How often do you see no-flip games with 15 people have more than 3 scum? Because sandroba's explanation (which makes sense to me) seems to suggest otherwise.
I only get pissed when setups venture off the norm without trying to balance both sides. Which happens a lot because most hosts dont do What If scenarios. But whatever. No flip games with 15 people having more than 3 Scum: A.) 15 player Normals often dont have more than 3 Scum anyway. B.) Reading through the OP there is a possibility for more than 3 Scum because of revival roles for the Town. If the Coroner can confirm players as pro-town then even being revived for 1 Day is a major advantage for the Town. It's essentially a temporary Tree Stump. That being said having more than 3 Scum so that the Town doesn't run wild is likely. C.) redFF, sinani, myself, bumatlarge, jackal - all claimed roles. I know I'm town, and even assuming sinani and redFF are Town, bum being Scum, and Jackal being Town then there has to be some kind of revival role left out there. 2 Coroners, my game ending role, Jackal's alleged role: Thats a lot of power on the Town side. Either the Mafia would have 3 players with brutal roles or more than 3. If we accept that the inhibitor was 1 of them then that leaves 2 Mafia power roles. They'd pretty much have to have the necromancer or some revival roles or else as I said above - this game would end quickly. Which means the last power role has to be something awesome if there are 3 Mafia. A 1 shot sure-fire kill is great, but doesn't scream monstrous to me. I'm not buying the there has to be 3 Mafia argument yet. If you have such a kickass role that activates when you die, why the fuck are you so scared of getting lynched? Really? Show me where I have been scared of getting lynched. Come on read the thread - have I REALLY been trying hard not to get lynched? lol what a scrub Really simple: Look at Ace's behaviour and activity day 1 and 2 when he was not up for a lynch. His first big post of the game was when ON and bum (his scum buddies) were up for lynching. Now that he is up for a lynch holy shit HUGE spike in activity and arguing his little heart out. How come you were so uninterested in the game before ace? If you are town (lol) and have this game ending ability you can go ahead and kill me with it (or do w/e you will make up later when things look dire). I'm posting more because I actually have time. Nice try though. My "huge spike in activity" doesn't imply anything about my alignment. The fact that I'm actually trying to die pretty much cements that. derp derp. On September 06 2011 10:58 sandroba wrote:On September 06 2011 10:55 Ace wrote:On September 06 2011 10:52 sandroba wrote:
In a setup with double lynch and 4 mafia they are guaranteed to lynch a townie and keep 2 kp the whole game if town double mislynches day1, thus making it impossible for town to win. I think I've proven that already? Yeah, I have. They can have the 2 KP. The Town has a Coroner and revival roles. Every time a Townie revives he is effectively a Tree Stump so the game isn't impossible for the Town to win. GG thanks for playing. They get to KEEP 2 kp no matter what. Prove I'm wrong. I said you can keep the 2 KP. Your scenario breaks because revived Townies always have incentive to claim. derp derp. So what? Mafia being 4 they actually get to use one of the lynches as kp too. Prove that town can win assuming double mislynch day1 and 4 mafia (with at least 1 necro 1 rb 1 minion).
You keep assuming the lynch always hits Town. If it hits 1 Scum then your entire plan falls to pieces as thats 1 more Town alive. You can't just count lynches as Mafia KP because lynches aren't controlled by Scum. Are we going to start counting 3rd party KP as Mafia KP also because it can possibly hit the Town? derp derp
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On September 06 2011 11:15 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 11:08 Ace wrote:On September 06 2011 11:02 wherebugsgo wrote:On August 20 2011 16:40 iGrok wrote:Player List- Jackal58 (2)
- RedFF (D)
Sknowman
- Kenpachi
- wherebugsgo
- sinani206 (2)
- Drazerk (2)
- jcarlsoniv
Varpulis
- Ace
- Original Name (D)
- Palmar (D)
- chaos13
- bumatlarge
- Sandroba
(2) Means on their second Life (D) Means currently Dead Name Means Permanently Dead Replacements Let me REPEAT, since Ace is too noob to be able to read the OP: On August 20 2011 16:40 iGrok wrote:
Name Means Permanently Dead
On August 20 2011 16:40 iGrok wrote:Player List On September 06 2011 11:03 Jackal58 wrote:
Varpulis has decomposed I believe. No res for him. Read the updated player list Ace. Then read the last daypost if you don't believe that. On September 06 2011 11:01 sandroba wrote:
Go read the OP ace.
Also I'm tired of arguing with scum. While fun, it's kinda pointless. I was actually hoping you quoted the OP. Perfect. Remember when I said it was a trick question?
Coroner
Can look at a corpse and determine alignment and role. May be used any time, and will instantly return the information (as soon as I get the pm).
Why doesn't this apply to redFF's and sinani's claims? Wtf does this have to do with reviving Varpulis? Varpulis can't be revived because he's been dead for 48 hours. So what's your explanation for saying that his revival should be a big topic today?
sigh. Ok maybe this will help. Let me try and break this down again.
According to the OP Varpulis can't be revived. Correct? Right.
According to the OP the Coroner role can check A corpse per day. That means one.
redFF checked two.
See where I'm coming from now?
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Ok, but I've already addressed that. The roles may be incomplete but why would it contradict whats stated about the role in the OP?
The coroner role may have some extra ability attached. Fine. But do we really believe that ability is "revive 2 players today" when the OP explicitly states something else and redFF messed up the claim! Do you get it now?
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Look at the role description for Coroner in the OP. Just read it. Tell me what it means.
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On September 06 2011 11:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:I have an idea. It may already be too late, but it's worth doing probably. @Jackal, to make sure sandroba doesn't get RBd again, you could protect him. Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 10:59 Ace wrote:On September 06 2011 10:53 bumatlarge wrote:On September 06 2011 10:47 Ace wrote:On September 06 2011 10:41 bumatlarge wrote:my game ending role Wow this is the first I've heard of this. Mind sharing Ace? I actually typed it out, but I restrained just in case there really is some Mafia role out there that can do something insane. Also, would double high priests break the set-up? I'm thinking it's completely plausible with what we are seeing so far, since we haven't seen an unlynchable claim or shoot, and there is only one coroner. Losing an HP would really rough up town, and the likelihood of them overlapping is huge. I've been thinking about this too, and it also irks me. If we have a Coroner and a backup Coroner then we might also have 2 priests. I don't see why iGrok would give us 2 Coroners when losing the priest is just as bad for the Town if this holds. The thing about revival is that once a dead player comes back to life, he has every incentive to claim knowing he will die again. But no one seems to realize this, or is purposely not mentioning this. Reviving Varpulis is actually the best move the Town can make right now. What would it do for your argument (purely curious) if I were to hypothetically claim HP, and there was another HP claim also? Are you just using it to reinforce your case that there could be 4 scum?
partially yes.
Lets look at this another way because obviously basing it on whats stated in the OP isn't getting through to some people.
Varpulis can not be resurrected. redFF checked the body. Said he Varpulis was Town. Why hasn't he given us Varpulis's role yet?
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On September 06 2011 11:25 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 11:22 Ace wrote:
Look at the role description for Coroner in the OP. Just read it. Tell me what it means. Coroner Can look at a corpse and determine alignment and role. May be used any time, and will instantly return the information (as soon as I get the pm). It means Coroner gets role and alignment back as soon as iGrok receives the request. Wtf does this have to do with ressing Varpulis?
I was making a case that Varp not being able to come back to life based on the OP is true. So we should also look at the Coroner role in the OP and hold it as true. For some reason people keep taking "incomplete" to mean that whats stated in the role OP means it can change in the game. That wouldn't make sense because then the iGrok would be lying to us, or redFF really is that bad and messed up his claim.
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On September 06 2011 11:28 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 11:22 Ace wrote:
Look at the role description for Coroner in the OP. Just read it. Tell me what it means. Show nested quote +Coroner
Can look at a corpse and determine alignment and role. May be used any time, and will instantly return the information (as soon as I get the pm). It does not say "one per day".
what does "look at a corpse" mean? One. A Corpse. Not "a corpse, but 2 if my balls are tingly".
Detective:
You can investigate a player once per day and get their alignment.
Are you honestly confused and think that this means the detective can possibly investigate TWO players?
If I give you a hamburger, how many are you holding in your hand?
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On September 06 2011 11:29 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 11:27 Ace wrote:On September 06 2011 11:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:I have an idea. It may already be too late, but it's worth doing probably. @Jackal, to make sure sandroba doesn't get RBd again, you could protect him. On September 06 2011 10:59 Ace wrote:On September 06 2011 10:53 bumatlarge wrote:On September 06 2011 10:47 Ace wrote:On September 06 2011 10:41 bumatlarge wrote:my game ending role Wow this is the first I've heard of this. Mind sharing Ace? I actually typed it out, but I restrained just in case there really is some Mafia role out there that can do something insane. Also, would double high priests break the set-up? I'm thinking it's completely plausible with what we are seeing so far, since we haven't seen an unlynchable claim or shoot, and there is only one coroner. Losing an HP would really rough up town, and the likelihood of them overlapping is huge. I've been thinking about this too, and it also irks me. If we have a Coroner and a backup Coroner then we might also have 2 priests. I don't see why iGrok would give us 2 Coroners when losing the priest is just as bad for the Town if this holds. The thing about revival is that once a dead player comes back to life, he has every incentive to claim knowing he will die again. But no one seems to realize this, or is purposely not mentioning this. Reviving Varpulis is actually the best move the Town can make right now. What would it do for your argument (purely curious) if I were to hypothetically claim HP, and there was another HP claim also? Are you just using it to reinforce your case that there could be 4 scum? partially yes. Lets look at this another way because obviously basing it on whats stated in the OP isn't getting through to some people. Varpulis can not be resurrected. redFF checked the body. Said he Varpulis was Town. Why hasn't he given us Varpulis's role yet? I interpreted that as him being green. Assuming I'm not the pious, which it was shown that I'm not, varp could very well have been the pious. I would assume there's more than only 1 or even 2 greens.
Sure, you can interpret it that way. But redFF never voluntarily gave us that information. Why would someone who felt it was the right time to claim Coroner, knowing very well he could die, not give us that information also. Don't you think thats a bit odd? You investigate 2 players, they both flip Town. Whether they are revived by Scum or Town it does not matter as this is now 2 Town players back in the game with voting power.
Put yourself in the shoes of a backup role that can do this, and you claim knowing that Mafia have the ability to kill you. Why wouldn't you just out all of that information? You see where I'm going with this?
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On September 06 2011 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 11:31 Ace wrote:On September 06 2011 11:28 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 06 2011 11:22 Ace wrote:
Look at the role description for Coroner in the OP. Just read it. Tell me what it means. Coroner
Can look at a corpse and determine alignment and role. May be used any time, and will instantly return the information (as soon as I get the pm). It does not say "one per day". what does "look at a corpse" mean? One. A Corpse. Not "a corpse, but 2 if my balls are tingly". Detective: You can investigate a player once per day and get their alignment. Are you honestly confused and think that this means the detective can possibly investigate TWO players? If I give you a hamburger, how many are you holding in your hand? The detective role says ONCE PER DAY The coroner role DOES NOT. Jesus
I am a Coroner.
redFF was my Apprentice.
When I was lynched Day 1, I had not used either of my checks (note: the role pm did not say there was a limit to checks per day)
So redFF got them both when I died. He only used one, on Varpulis, but he said that he used one on me, too. But the thing is he knew that I was Coroner since he was my apprentice and decided to check someone else.
So today, when I was revived, I was notified that I only had one check left. So I checked OriginalName, who was/is an inhibitor, to check how accurate the speculative scumteam of ON, bum, and Ace was. Obviously, from my information, it was pretty accurate.
Which would mean redFF lied and something isn't adding up here.
Sinani started with 2 checks. He could use both in one day.
He dies without using any checks.
redFF used one on Varp, and then lied and said he used one on Sinani because he knew Sinani was the Coroner anyway. He said he lost both of his checks at this point.
Sinani is revived, and uses his check on ON and finds him to be Scum. Ok lets assume all this is true. There is a major snag.
Earlier I pointed out that a backup role can not know the name of the player who has the original role. That is just too broken for the Town to have. Even so, lets assume this shit actually went down. Again - pay attention. Sinani said that redFF knew he was the Coroner but lied about using the check. Why oh why does Sinani have information about redFF's role? WHY? Think about it.
The Coroner knows his back up. Sinani knows redFF is his back up.
The back up knows the Coroner. redFF knows Sinani is the coroner.
Hence, they both know that the other is Town aligned!. Perfect. So the Coroner has 2 checks per day. Ace misread the OP. Sinani and redFF both knew about each other's roles at the start of the game and both knew the other was Inncocent.
On September 01 2011 23:08 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 12:31 sinani206 wrote:
/confirm
Meta and policies aren't a good enough case for a lynch right now.
The subject of Varpulis was a nice way to start discussion, but there's no need to tunnel.
All of redFF's posts, however are very short and tangential, except for his analysis of Varpulis that was based entirely on meta. FoS redFF. this is not a good reason to fos and actually makes little to no sense. current scumteam imo=varpulis, sinani, ace if i had to name it right now. i have ON as town, going out see ya guys later.
On September 02 2011 14:48 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 14:37 sinani206 wrote:On September 02 2011 10:27 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 02 2011 10:12 sinani206 wrote:On September 02 2011 10:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 02 2011 09:20 Kenpachi wrote:
bro, I dont recall playing with you 3 so i asked for a general gist of your gameplay from previous games I misunderstood what you were asking, my mistake. But how about you actually do something productive for the town? I might be more inclined to believe you if you were actually trying to help. Every post you've made has been largely unhelpful. That's Kenpachi for you. Also, who would've guessed: sandroba has a plan. And I see no gaping issues with this plan, except for the fact that we can't decide who the three candidates should be.If we can actually find three people who are scummy, then we will be able to use the plan to our advantage. But is it really worth our time to agree on everyone's top three? I like how sinani has completely disregarded the fact that I think he could be scum. Also, he ignored the fact that we already figured picking 3 candidates wouldn't work. He has contributed very little. Currently he's feeling the scummiest to me. #vote sinani206 I'm sorry, I though it would be obvious that I knew that you thought I could be scum. I have acknowledged this in previous posts.
Anyway, redFF just keeps feeling more and more scummy to me. I will put my vote on him for now.
##Vote: redFF
PS: I know you think I'm not contributing too. I'm explicitly acknowledging this so that you don't think that I'm disregarding it. LOL. im sorry but that is the worst post in the game so far. this guy and varp are the lynches.
On September 03 2011 00:12 redFF wrote:
ace please start posting properly. sinani is looking scummy as hell atm i agree, nice chainsaw of his buddy varpulis :D
On September 03 2011 06:56 redFF wrote:
kk since i have a feeling i will die tonight here is scumreads, in order from scummiest to least scummy(but still scummy)
varpulis, sinani, sandroba, originalname, ace(though his posting is getting better), bumatlarge.
Don't resurrect varpulis or sinani plz coroner varp.
So why did they call each other Scum, push cases against one another, Sinani voted for redFF, and redFF called Sinani one of his top Scum reads.
2 players that knew from the get-go that they were both Innocent and they did this.
There's your behavior analysis sandroba. Now bow down to the throne.
Fucking rape.
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On September 06 2011 12:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 11:51 Ace wrote:On September 06 2011 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 06 2011 11:31 Ace wrote:On September 06 2011 11:28 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 06 2011 11:22 Ace wrote:
Look at the role description for Coroner in the OP. Just read it. Tell me what it means. Coroner
Can look at a corpse and determine alignment and role. May be used any time, and will instantly return the information (as soon as I get the pm). It does not say "one per day". what does "look at a corpse" mean? One. A Corpse. Not "a corpse, but 2 if my balls are tingly". Detective: You can investigate a player once per day and get their alignment. Are you honestly confused and think that this means the detective can possibly investigate TWO players? If I give you a hamburger, how many are you holding in your hand? The detective role says ONCE PER DAY The coroner role DOES NOT. Jesus
I am a Coroner.
redFF was my Apprentice.
When I was lynched Day 1, I had not used either of my checks (note: the role pm did not say there was a limit to checks per day)
So redFF got them both when I died. He only used one, on Varpulis, but he said that he used one on me, too. But the thing is he knew that I was Coroner since he was my apprentice and decided to check someone else.
So today, when I was revived, I was notified that I only had one check left. So I checked OriginalName, who was/is an inhibitor, to check how accurate the speculative scumteam of ON, bum, and Ace was. Obviously, from my information, it was pretty accurate.
Which would mean redFF lied and something isn't adding up here. Sinani started with 2 checks. He could use both in one day. He dies without using any checks. redFF used one on Varp, and then lied and said he used one on Sinani because he knew Sinani was the Coroner anyway. He said he lost both of his checks at this point. Sinani is revived, and uses his check on ON and finds him to be Scum. Ok lets assume all this is true. There is a major snag. Earlier I pointed out that a backup role can not know the name of the player who has the original role. That is just too broken for the Town to have. Even so, lets assume this shit actually went down. Again - pay attention. Sinani said that redFF knew he was the Coroner but lied about using the check. Why oh why does Sinani have information about redFF's role? WHY? Think about it. The Coroner knows his back up. Sinani knows redFF is his back up. The back up knows the Coroner. redFF knows Sinani is the coroner. Hence, they both know that the other is Town aligned!. Perfect. So the Coroner has 2 checks per day. Ace misread the OP. Sinani and redFF both knew about each other's roles at the start of the game and both knew the other was Inncocent. On September 01 2011 23:08 redFF wrote:On September 01 2011 12:31 sinani206 wrote:
/confirm
Meta and policies aren't a good enough case for a lynch right now.
The subject of Varpulis was a nice way to start discussion, but there's no need to tunnel.
All of redFF's posts, however are very short and tangential, except for his analysis of Varpulis that was based entirely on meta. FoS redFF. this is not a good reason to fos and actually makes little to no sense. current scumteam imo=varpulis, sinani, ace if i had to name it right now. i have ON as town, going out see ya guys later. On September 02 2011 14:48 redFF wrote:On September 02 2011 14:37 sinani206 wrote:On September 02 2011 10:27 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 02 2011 10:12 sinani206 wrote:On September 02 2011 10:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 02 2011 09:20 Kenpachi wrote:
bro, I dont recall playing with you 3 so i asked for a general gist of your gameplay from previous games I misunderstood what you were asking, my mistake. But how about you actually do something productive for the town? I might be more inclined to believe you if you were actually trying to help. Every post you've made has been largely unhelpful. That's Kenpachi for you. Also, who would've guessed: sandroba has a plan. And I see no gaping issues with this plan, except for the fact that we can't decide who the three candidates should be.If we can actually find three people who are scummy, then we will be able to use the plan to our advantage. But is it really worth our time to agree on everyone's top three? I like how sinani has completely disregarded the fact that I think he could be scum. Also, he ignored the fact that we already figured picking 3 candidates wouldn't work. He has contributed very little. Currently he's feeling the scummiest to me. #vote sinani206 I'm sorry, I though it would be obvious that I knew that you thought I could be scum. I have acknowledged this in previous posts.
Anyway, redFF just keeps feeling more and more scummy to me. I will put my vote on him for now.
##Vote: redFF
PS: I know you think I'm not contributing too. I'm explicitly acknowledging this so that you don't think that I'm disregarding it. LOL. im sorry but that is the worst post in the game so far. this guy and varp are the lynches. On September 03 2011 00:12 redFF wrote:
ace please start posting properly. sinani is looking scummy as hell atm i agree, nice chainsaw of his buddy varpulis :D On September 03 2011 06:56 redFF wrote:
kk since i have a feeling i will die tonight here is scumreads, in order from scummiest to least scummy(but still scummy)
varpulis, sinani, sandroba, originalname, ace(though his posting is getting better), bumatlarge.
Don't resurrect varpulis or sinani plz coroner varp. So why did they call each other Scum, push cases against one another, Sinani voted for redFF, and redFF called Sinani one of his top Scum reads. 2 players that knew from the get-go that they were both Innocent and they did this. There's your behavior analysis sandroba. Now bow down to the throne. Fucking rape. Scenario: Sinani knows he has an apprentice, but doesn't know who it is. redFF knows he is an apprentice, but doesn't know who the original is. Once the Day 1 lynches go out, redFF finds out that his master has died. He checks varp (maybe by sheer luck, or he's told that sinani was his master via PM) and finds he wasn't the coroner. By keeping up with the thread, sinani now knows that redFF was his apprentice. This would explain why redFF would push for the lynch on sinani, and then after redFF claimed apprentice, the stories line up. There's your scenario analysis Ace. Now bow down to the scrub, asshole. (Cuz, hey, if Ace is above the courtesy rules, then who's to say that everyone else isn't?) Fucking rape.
On September 06 2011 12:07 sinani206 wrote:OK, Ace, you want the truth? Alright, here it is. My role PM said exactly what it says in the OP. It did not tell me who my apprentice is, or even that I had one. When I died, redFF comes and claims backup. I chose to believe him based on these facts. - He says that I was innocent and that I should be revived
- I had a check left when I was revived, so he could only have used one.
redFF probably was told that he was the apprentice when I died, and obviously given my name.So that's why we weren't treating each other like confirmed townies the first day. Happy?
Sinani just said he didn't even know he had an apprentice jcarl. Flush that crap, thanks.
@Sinani: redFF was probably told that but he never said so. If he checks Varpulis and deduces you are the Coroner then why wouldn't he tell the Town Varpulis's role?. Varp can't be revived so holding that information in is now useless. His claim reeks.
The second bolded - how would you know redFF was given your name? You just said redFF deduced you are the Coroner so why would he be given your name? You said it yourself - your role PM says exactly what it says in the OP. No where in it does it say anything about giving you extra information.
@wherebugsgo: No, we are lynching me today because I really think this is the only shot at winning. I just dont trust most of you.
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also jcarl here's more - get ready to wash your face.
Sinani just stated his role PM is exactly like it says in the OP. Why is redFF getting extra information via PM from the moderator? So the Apprentice finds out who the master is and can get him revived? Not buying it.
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On September 06 2011 12:28 wherebugsgo wrote:
Vote for yourself, then. You're going in circles when your vote is on sandroba. You keep talking about sinani and redff when your vote is on someone else.
If you think we can only win by you getting lynched, vote yourself. Help us lynch you.
good idea, I thought I couldn't vote for myself but my eyes popped out when I re-read the PM. Best suggestion you've made yet.
## Vote Ace
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On September 06 2011 12:29 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 12:26 Ace wrote:On September 06 2011 12:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 06 2011 11:51 Ace wrote:On September 06 2011 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 06 2011 11:31 Ace wrote:On September 06 2011 11:28 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 06 2011 11:22 Ace wrote:
Look at the role description for Coroner in the OP. Just read it. Tell me what it means. Coroner
Can look at a corpse and determine alignment and role. May be used any time, and will instantly return the information (as soon as I get the pm). It does not say "one per day". what does "look at a corpse" mean? One. A Corpse. Not "a corpse, but 2 if my balls are tingly". Detective: You can investigate a player once per day and get their alignment. Are you honestly confused and think that this means the detective can possibly investigate TWO players? If I give you a hamburger, how many are you holding in your hand? The detective role says ONCE PER DAY The coroner role DOES NOT. Jesus
I am a Coroner.
redFF was my Apprentice.
When I was lynched Day 1, I had not used either of my checks (note: the role pm did not say there was a limit to checks per day)
So redFF got them both when I died. He only used one, on Varpulis, but he said that he used one on me, too. But the thing is he knew that I was Coroner since he was my apprentice and decided to check someone else.
So today, when I was revived, I was notified that I only had one check left. So I checked OriginalName, who was/is an inhibitor, to check how accurate the speculative scumteam of ON, bum, and Ace was. Obviously, from my information, it was pretty accurate.
Which would mean redFF lied and something isn't adding up here. Sinani started with 2 checks. He could use both in one day. He dies without using any checks. redFF used one on Varp, and then lied and said he used one on Sinani because he knew Sinani was the Coroner anyway. He said he lost both of his checks at this point. Sinani is revived, and uses his check on ON and finds him to be Scum. Ok lets assume all this is true. There is a major snag. Earlier I pointed out that a backup role can not know the name of the player who has the original role. That is just too broken for the Town to have. Even so, lets assume this shit actually went down. Again - pay attention. Sinani said that redFF knew he was the Coroner but lied about using the check. Why oh why does Sinani have information about redFF's role? WHY? Think about it. The Coroner knows his back up. Sinani knows redFF is his back up. The back up knows the Coroner. redFF knows Sinani is the coroner. Hence, they both know that the other is Town aligned!. Perfect. So the Coroner has 2 checks per day. Ace misread the OP. Sinani and redFF both knew about each other's roles at the start of the game and both knew the other was Inncocent. On September 01 2011 23:08 redFF wrote:On September 01 2011 12:31 sinani206 wrote:
/confirm
Meta and policies aren't a good enough case for a lynch right now.
The subject of Varpulis was a nice way to start discussion, but there's no need to tunnel.
All of redFF's posts, however are very short and tangential, except for his analysis of Varpulis that was based entirely on meta. FoS redFF. this is not a good reason to fos and actually makes little to no sense. current scumteam imo=varpulis, sinani, ace if i had to name it right now. i have ON as town, going out see ya guys later. On September 02 2011 14:48 redFF wrote:On September 02 2011 14:37 sinani206 wrote:On September 02 2011 10:27 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 02 2011 10:12 sinani206 wrote:On September 02 2011 10:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 02 2011 09:20 Kenpachi wrote:
bro, I dont recall playing with you 3 so i asked for a general gist of your gameplay from previous games I misunderstood what you were asking, my mistake. But how about you actually do something productive for the town? I might be more inclined to believe you if you were actually trying to help. Every post you've made has been largely unhelpful. That's Kenpachi for you. Also, who would've guessed: sandroba has a plan. And I see no gaping issues with this plan, except for the fact that we can't decide who the three candidates should be.If we can actually find three people who are scummy, then we will be able to use the plan to our advantage. But is it really worth our time to agree on everyone's top three? I like how sinani has completely disregarded the fact that I think he could be scum. Also, he ignored the fact that we already figured picking 3 candidates wouldn't work. He has contributed very little. Currently he's feeling the scummiest to me. #vote sinani206 I'm sorry, I though it would be obvious that I knew that you thought I could be scum. I have acknowledged this in previous posts.
Anyway, redFF just keeps feeling more and more scummy to me. I will put my vote on him for now.
##Vote: redFF
PS: I know you think I'm not contributing too. I'm explicitly acknowledging this so that you don't think that I'm disregarding it. LOL. im sorry but that is the worst post in the game so far. this guy and varp are the lynches. On September 03 2011 00:12 redFF wrote:
ace please start posting properly. sinani is looking scummy as hell atm i agree, nice chainsaw of his buddy varpulis :D On September 03 2011 06:56 redFF wrote:
kk since i have a feeling i will die tonight here is scumreads, in order from scummiest to least scummy(but still scummy)
varpulis, sinani, sandroba, originalname, ace(though his posting is getting better), bumatlarge.
Don't resurrect varpulis or sinani plz coroner varp. So why did they call each other Scum, push cases against one another, Sinani voted for redFF, and redFF called Sinani one of his top Scum reads. 2 players that knew from the get-go that they were both Innocent and they did this. There's your behavior analysis sandroba. Now bow down to the throne. Fucking rape. Scenario: Sinani knows he has an apprentice, but doesn't know who it is. redFF knows he is an apprentice, but doesn't know who the original is. Once the Day 1 lynches go out, redFF finds out that his master has died. He checks varp (maybe by sheer luck, or he's told that sinani was his master via PM) and finds he wasn't the coroner. By keeping up with the thread, sinani now knows that redFF was his apprentice. This would explain why redFF would push for the lynch on sinani, and then after redFF claimed apprentice, the stories line up. There's your scenario analysis Ace. Now bow down to the scrub, asshole. (Cuz, hey, if Ace is above the courtesy rules, then who's to say that everyone else isn't?) Fucking rape. On September 06 2011 12:07 sinani206 wrote:OK, Ace, you want the truth? Alright, here it is. My role PM said exactly what it says in the OP. It did not tell me who my apprentice is, or even that I had one. When I died, redFF comes and claims backup. I chose to believe him based on these facts. - He says that I was innocent and that I should be revived
- I had a check left when I was revived, so he could only have used one.
redFF probably was told that he was the apprentice when I died, and obviously given my name.So that's why we weren't treating each other like confirmed townies the first day. Happy? Sinani just said he didn't even know he had an apprentice jcarl. Flush that crap, thanks. @Sinani: redFF was probably told that but he never said so. If he checks Varpulis and deduces you are the Coroner then why wouldn't he tell the Town Varpulis's role?. Varp can't be revived so holding that information in is now useless. His claim reeks. The second bolded - how would you know redFF was given your name? You just said redFF deduced you are the Coroner so why would he be given your name? You said it yourself - your role PM says exactly what it says in the OP. No where in it does it say anything about giving you extra information. @wherebugsgo: No, we are lynching me today because I really think this is the only shot at winning. I just dont trust most of you. So you know what that shows? Only the first sentence in my scenario was false. I was typing that as sinani answered I guess. My scenario would still hold up. They still wouldn't have known the others' identity day 1. Flush that crap, thanks.
No genius. It means redFF also never knew he had a master. Sinani just said his role functions exactly like the OP. Where is redFF getting extra PMs from? You dont think it's kind of ridiculous that redFF gets his master's identity, a check on a corpse all with the possibility of Sinani being revived?
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Screw it I'm done talking about this. Look, I'm gonna die. Then things are going to happen. Something has to give. If Sinani and redFF are "coroners" then SOMEONE is holding back. I refuse to believe that more than 2 people playing this game won't be able to end this for the Town. If they are indeed coroners someone out there has a really, really good Town role. No way the Town only gets 2 dead body checks with this much KP flying around. DO NOT SCREW THIS UP
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It's something better. I'm going to give the Scum one big final screw you. Sinani, I pray that redFF really is just that bad and that another Town player has ridiculously good powers. The fact that you are "out of checks" when you role PM doesn't state that is just another issue with your claims.
But it's OK. I've got something that will clear this ALL up.
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