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On September 03 2011 10:14 redFF wrote:
revive sinani
what...the...fuck?
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Yo I'm real dumb. Sorry lol. Will think once I get home
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On September 03 2011 10:16 redFF wrote:
##vote bumatlarge
Hey red, who are your scumreads right now and why?
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I have a better use for coroner. Dayvig kills bum if he exists. Coroner checks bum and only claims if he is for some absurd reason green, because if that is the case we might be more fucked than I thought.
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im secret coroners apprentice, checked varp and sinani both town ressurect sinani plz.
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i become coroner if coroner dies
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which obviously coroner did cuz i checked ppl/
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If that's actually true, way to go, you're gonna get shot tonight.
If it's not, you're a lying piece of shit and deserve to get lynched. Also, I asked for your scumreads, not your townreads. No shit sinani and varp are town, you don't need to be a coroner to know that
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... thanks?
bumatlarge, originalname, maybe palmar.
I'm pretty obv town based on the fact im one of the only players who actually attempted to do any form of analysis yesterday and led a lynch on an imo scummy person.
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On September 03 2011 10:39 redFF wrote:
... thanks?
bumatlarge, originalname, maybe palmar.
I'm pretty obv town based on the fact im one of the only players who actually attempted to do any form of analysis yesterday and led a lynch on an imo scummy person.
-_-
What analysis? You just tunneled them to hell.
Why do you suspect bum/ON and palmar?
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You are not obvious town in the slightest. Don't misunderstand what you did for analysis. What you did was repeat 100x varp is scum herp derp. Also is this claim for real?
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erm i analysed varp.
bum
On September 01 2011 21:43 bumatlarge wrote:
Ill talk about wherebugsgo later today. Let's say I'd make him out to be similar to sandroba in terms of intelligence
never mentioned wherebugsgo again.
On September 02 2011 11:36 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +
Holy Priest
May Resurrect 1 player from the dead per day. The Resurrected Player will not expire in the manner a zombie does.
Coroner
Can look at a corpse and determine alignment and role. May be used any time, and will instantly return the information (as soon as I get the pm).
Daywalker
Lynchproof daykiller - the kill will happen as soon as I get the pm. When a Daywalker uses his kill, he loses the lynchproof power.
Pious Man
The Pious Man's vote counts twice. You will not know if you are Pious, and your hidden vote will only be reflected in the Lynch Results.
Town-person
You are a normal person. You only go to church on Christmas and Easter.
Necromancer
May reanimate a player from the dead. Player becomes a Reanimated Zombie (Veteran in addition to previous Status). If a Necromancer dies, a new scum member becomes a Necromancer.
Inhibitor
May target any player to block their power and vote.
Minion
Has a 1-shot power: If a minion targets a player who has no powers, that player will die - regardless of protection. If that player has a power, that player will die, but will be resurrected after 1 day cycle.
We should be reading more into the role list we have. This is an extremely odd set-up where lynching and killing is not completely based around eliminating scum. In fact, basing our tactics on that is short-sighted and I mean to remedy this. Dead players create a "pool" of suspects that a coroner can utilize. I am fairly certain we have 1 or 2 coroners, or else the game has a ridiculous set-up. In a way, the first lynch is really important, yet not as cruel with the Resurrection mechanic. We immediately lynch two players, and the coroner(s) must choose between them. I don't see how intentionally misleading roles like millers or sanity can be in this game, so I'm assuming what a coroner get's is 100%. So this is what I'm thinking, and I'm sure I haven't been the first person to speculate. If we have an unlynchable claim, and we put a few votes on him along with someone else we deem scummy, we can economically manage our now chaotic lynching power into something very useful and organized at this point in the game. The priest and coroner can double team the other dead person and hold on to what they get. Most likely the unlynchable will get shot, and the high priest can devote his power in keeping that person alive, while the coroner can go to town, and if mafia ever stop shooting the unlynchable, we get a confirmed town. Its extremely unlikely for mafia to have an unlynchable themselves without town having a direct counter to such shenanigans. Think about it, that one mafia member would have to be shot by the unlynchable, or he wins the game by himself. There are multiple loopholes to this plan, like perhaps a 1 lynch immune mafia that could "prove" himself, or perhaps a mafia watcher who can see who visits a dead person (goodbye priest and coroner :X) Thoughts on this? Also varpulis wagon is hilarious, though I'm not taking my eyes off him, the fact that that many people gunned on him from the little thing I picked up without questioning everything else gives us some great partners for unlynchable if this can follow through. I mean at worst mafia figures out who they can't push a lynch on? Can a High Priest revive the same person more then once?
calls varp wagon hilarious then says i made good points about him in the post below.also bluefishing for vigi.
On September 02 2011 11:47 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 21:53 Palmar wrote:On September 01 2011 21:43 bumatlarge wrote:
Ill talk about wherebugsgo later today. Let's say I'd make him out to be similar to sandroba in terms of intelligence I don't know what that means to you, but Sandroba is one of the stronger players in this game. Wherebugsgo has the ambition and time, but he's still relatively new. Like, Sandroba is in my "If he's wrong, he's scum" category. It is a compliment, read XLIV, he nailed me role and alignment, but I can't say more then that, figure it out yourself  ##Unvote varpulisI still find it likely that varpulis can be scum (redff has made good points), but in the event that he is not, I would look heavily into these people, in order of scuminess IMO. Kenpachi - FoSing redff then voting varp. Every game I reset what I think kenpachi would do as each alignment. In this instance he's given more then he usually does, and it stands out as illogical even for kenpachi. Palmar - For once jumping on a wagon rather then making his own 8 billion reasons. This stands out. redff - Seems completely legitimate, but he is capable of such a ploy as scum. He's bottom tier in this. So Kenpachi > Varp > Palmar > redff. ##Vote Kenpachi
unvotes varpulis, saying its likely hes scum, then votes kenpachi -_-
then he jumped back on the varp wagon to make sure he got lynched. bum=scum.
originalname
On September 01 2011 11:05 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 10:57 redFF wrote:On September 01 2011 10:47 Varpulis wrote:On September 01 2011 10:38 redFF wrote:
not comparing you to kurumi, just noting how your play is similar to your play in kurumi's game when you were scum. Ah, that. anything else? ...Meta lynching? Reals?
On September 02 2011 15:40 OriginalName wrote:
Where the fuck are Drazerk and Sknowman?
Also the one thing I've noticed from posting today is Kenpachis vanilla claim. Firstly why do it? He's trying to establish townieness then basically asks a few questions then completely drops off the face of the earth. Nothing else seems to come out of him and I personally don't mind offing him.
Also along with the above the last time he claimed townie and lurked he flipped scum.
So in recap:
For shitposting and meta I vote
##Vote: Kenpachi
also votes kenpachi
shitposting and meta, he does that shit every game. terrible vote. doesnt even switch to anyone else, keeps a meaningless vote on a shitty candidate, doesnt want to affect lynch obv.
On September 03 2011 09:23 OriginalName wrote:We dont know that for sure. Settle down there is probably more going on right now than is clear to us.
could have unvoted ken but APPEARS RIGHT AFTER LYNCH. of course we don't know why there were 3 kills but you do.
palmar
On September 01 2011 09:17 Palmar wrote:
Can mafia decide to nightkill mafia?
why would town ask this, filler question just to make a post.
palmars posting just feels off to me, more of a gut than anything else.
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On September 03 2011 10:58 Ace wrote:
## vote redff
why
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On September 03 2011 10:42 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2011 10:39 redFF wrote:
... thanks?
bumatlarge, originalname, maybe palmar.
I'm pretty obv town based on the fact im one of the only players who actually attempted to do any form of analysis yesterday and led a lynch on an imo scummy person. -_- What analysis? You just tunneled them to hell. Why do you suspect bum/ON and palmar?
like my second post of the game on varp.
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redff can't really be scum when the real coroner can just counter claim him. As for sandroba's RB, I think it was a bit of distraction from varpulis as a block could not have saved him. Please don't use it as an argument to lynch me. From my standpoint I think sandroba is lying and throwing the wagon on me so his case looks stronger.
I suggest we lynch ON and sandroba tonight or if im going to get lynched, and redff is alive, i would ask him to check me and confirm me.
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Wherebugsgo
On September 02 2011 03:13 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 02:32 Varpulis wrote:On September 01 2011 12:02 wherebugsgo wrote:
ACE IS SCUM OMG On September 02 2011 00:53 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 01 2011 21:43 bumatlarge wrote:
Ill talk about wherebugsgo later today. Let's say I'd make him out to be similar to sandroba in terms of intelligence Oh herro framer  On that subject (sort of) we don't get the role information from our lynches, correct? Even from the second lynch? So then how do we find out if we struck red? We don't? These are WBG's only 2 posts in game, barring a question to the host. I know you can do better than this. Step it up and contribute. I've started school, and it's day 1. We have nothing to go off right now, there's nothing really to contribute. The flavor of this game is really weird, so I'd rather have as much information as possible than blindly accuse people for shitty reasons. Obviously that worked so well in XLIV, where we lynched two townies before actually objectively reading people's reactions and posts. I'm currently on my phone, and will be back later today. Hopefully we'll have a little more to go on by then.
Examine this post closely. Does he get defensive? Does he make excuses for his lack of contribution? Does he provide excuses for then being absent, and suggest that even later he may not contribute?
The answer to all three of those is yes. This is not a town response. Sometimes town will not contribute without even realizing it, getting caught up in mechanics and keeping their reads in their mind without sharing them, but when called out upon it they will have a natural skepticism towards their accuser, because they feel that they have been contributing. Instead, WBG becomes defensive and prickly, making it clear that he is completely aware that he's done nothing and does not want attention called to it.
On September 03 2011 03:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'll be honest, all the current lynch targets suck.
If we have only 6 hours left in the day, we have a problem. We need to concentrate our votes very soon. If we're making the first day 72 hours (which I would prefer) we'll get some more information and we can make a better educated guess at who we should be lynching, as time isn't so crucial. On that note:
how much time is left in the day? if we're all in support of making the first say 72 hours I say we do it. It'll give us 24 hours more to deduce and think clearly about this.
In this post he blames everyone for bringing up what he feels are shitty lynch targets, yet he provides no reason why he thinks so and does nothing in the way of presenting a case on someone he feels is a better target. Then he goes on to bring up more mechanics discussion.
On September 03 2011 01:56 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 22:13 sandroba wrote:
Okay, first unlynchable should definitively never claim. Even if his up for a lynch (and thus reveal that he is unlynchable) if he doesn't claim mafia can't reactively kill them because there is no nights (am I getting this right iGrok?). He can then use his power on the next day and/or get revived the day after mafia shoots him for being confirmed. There is absolutely no reason to claim unlynchable anytime soon.
I need an answer on some questions about mechanic first, to then come up with something, but bum's idea on reviving one of the lynches and checking him day 1 is not terrible. I'll much rather use it in someone important like Ace (who is posting random derp now) though. For now I'm leaning on killing ON and kill/revive Ace.
Can a priest/coroner target someone who is not yet dead?
Which order do the actions go through regarding priests/coroners/mafia?
I second this, I also find Ace's cryptic journal entries a little weird, so I'm fine with lynching him. Ace you need to contribute or I'm calling you scum. Scum. #vote AceAlso where the eff is the voting thread?
Finally we get a vote out of this guy, and he votes for Ace? Because his "cryptic journal entries were a little weird". That's some quality scumhunting right there. Sure Ace is trolling and generally being useless, but that wasn't the reasoning that WBG provided. No, his posts are just "a little weird". This is mafia going "Okay, I need to vote and I need a reason for it. Which is the easiest target?"
On September 02 2011 12:03 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 11:54 iGrok wrote:On September 02 2011 11:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
If mafia KP is n/2, and zombies count toward KP, does that mean a townie who is resurrected by a necromancer will count toward mafia KP? i.e. if there are 4 mafia members and 1 town who is resurrected as a zombie, is mafia KP 3? Yes. Oh shit... This could be a problem. So basically, town, we need to be careful of letting mafia resurrect players. As they resurrect they can potentially gain KP for at least a day, even if they resurrect a townie. Thus, they can throw us off AND punish us with extra KP. Any proposed solutions to this dilemma? I'm thinking it might be beneficial to get the holy priests (if we have one/more) to resurrect immediately before the mafia have a chance to capitalize. But...I'm not really sure because there'll be two dead thanks to the lynches and then probably at least two thanks to the mafia kills. Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 11:55 redFF wrote:
wait so you want to check and revive someone? Waste of a lynch then? It's a free check, right? The only problem is that we need to get information from the coroner eventually. That'll probably be the hardest part, IMO, especially if the coroner dies someday and we don't know it, he'll miss a check. The coroner basically is the most important role (that we know of) in this game right now.
And yet another wasted post. He doesn't even generate actual discussion of mechanics, which can often be helpful, he simply makes basic statements that further nobody's understanding of the game and roles within it, and goes no further towards figuring out how to use these mechanics for town's advantage rather than mafia's.
On September 03 2011 04:59 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2011 04:47 Varpulis wrote:##vote sinani206On September 02 2011 14:37 sinani206 wrote:On September 02 2011 10:27 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 02 2011 10:12 sinani206 wrote:On September 02 2011 10:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 02 2011 09:20 Kenpachi wrote:
bro, I dont recall playing with you 3 so i asked for a general gist of your gameplay from previous games I misunderstood what you were asking, my mistake. But how about you actually do something productive for the town? I might be more inclined to believe you if you were actually trying to help. Every post you've made has been largely unhelpful. That's Kenpachi for you. Also, who would've guessed: sandroba has a plan. And I see no gaping issues with this plan, except for the fact that we can't decide who the three candidates should be.If we can actually find three people who are scummy, then we will be able to use the plan to our advantage. But is it really worth our time to agree on everyone's top three? I like how sinani has completely disregarded the fact that I think he could be scum. Also, he ignored the fact that we already figured picking 3 candidates wouldn't work. He has contributed very little. Currently he's feeling the scummiest to me. #vote sinani206 I'm sorry, I though it would be obvious that I knew that you thought I could be scum. I have acknowledged this in previous posts. Anyway, redFF just keeps feeling more and more scummy to me. I will put my vote on him for now. ##Vote: redFFPS: I know you think I'm not contributing too. I'm explicitly acknowledging this so that you don't think that I'm disregarding it. terrible vote. "he's scummy." is a shitty cop-out vote reason for scum who know that they can't make a plausible case. his PS is BS, basically saying "yeah i know i haven't been contributing, please don't vote for me." On September 03 2011 01:40 sinani206 wrote:
Meh.
I'm the first suspect in this game too, it seems.
Anyway, I can see that I'm not going to get a case for redFF going, so I'm going to change to bumatlarge, who was my next suspect anyway.
##Vote: bumatlarge "my attempt to start a wagon against redFF failed miserably, i'm going to go and hop onto another wagon without explaining anything at all."Also, right now the votes are INCREDIBLY spread out. something like 11/15 people have voted, and we've got a bunch of people tied with 2 votes. With a roleblock and/or an unlucky pious, scum can really screw us over and ensure that only townies die if we don't refocus and get votes piled up on 2 or 3 candidates. I just saw this. The only problem I have with the part I've bolded is that dumb townies do it too. Remember hiro? He did basically this in XLIV and we ended up lynching him because we couldn't tell his dumbtells apart from real scumtells. I agree with your logic for the most part, but I want to be cautious here.
Scumdar alert. We have somebody who is scummy and up for a lynch (sinani206). WBG makes a move away from his traditional no comment idea and defends sinani. As defense he uses a different player from a different game who flipped town while behaving this way. If it was a meta argument for sinani I would be far more comfortable with this post, but it's not so. Apparently hiro in XLIV is a good defense for sinani here, even though they are two completely separate people with different play styles. Then he ends it with a wishy washy mafia statement. Possible, but let's be careful. Not only that, but "I agree with your logic for the most part." Alright...which parts don't you agree with? Why do you not agree with them?
On September 03 2011 04:43 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2011 04:12 Ace wrote:
stop giving reads on every player in the game. you're fucking useless. Fixed; I think this is what Ace meant to say. Show nested quote +On September 03 2011 04:10 Varpulis wrote:Alright, It looks like trying to convince you guys not to lynch me is a lost cause (admittedly i did a pretty poor job to begin with, but that's beside the point) I'm going to filter everybody and give my brief opinions on them. They won't be taken seriously now, i know, but hopefully they'll have more weight when a coroner checks me, which should happen eventually. The people saying that we shouldn't revive lynches are right. If scum want a lynch back, let them do it themselves. Zombies are temporary, so unless they're as scummy as scummy can be, lynching them night not be necessary. If they're increasing kp, by all means lynch lynch lynch, but if you believe mafia to have, for example, 3 players left, a zombie won't actually increase their kp, so you might as well just wait for them to die. High priest should be reviving night kills, because those are far more likely to be town. Without further ado, my reads: Jackal58 + Show Spoiler +leaning green, but there's not much to go on. he's playing his usual style as far as i can tell, and the reasoning behind his vote is relatively sound. He's wrong, but he's not mafia. His suspicion and application of pressure and moderate tunneling are both pro town and effective. lurky, but his one post is good and informative. Not sure, leaning town. no fucking clue, as usual. scummy. Most of his posts are talking about mechanics and plans, aka "hey look i'm contributing without actually taking a stance or giving reads." Then he jumps on ace, who's as much lynch bait as i am at this point. also scummy. Soft defends me and then votes redFF with the explanation "he's scummy." When that doesn't work he jumps on the bumatlarge wagon again with the explanation "he's scummy." No explanation, nothing. Keep a close eye on this guy. lurky. Only 2 posts in the game, votes sinani, which i agree with. needs to post more. i've got a town read on him, based on his attitude, activity, and the content of his posts. I don't see the scum motives in his posting, but this is more of a gut read than anything else had some early posts that weren't too bad, then started trolling with his journal. Null read, would like to see him actually contribute. A player who trolls even when asked to stop is a liability. Doesn't like meta lynching, votes Kenpachi on meta (???). contradiction, scummy. Needs to post more Strong town. considers multiple points of view, and is able to step out of tunnel vision and make objective decisions. Filter him if you need any more convincing wishy washy as hell. Not taking risks, votes palmar because Palmar was mean to him (aka didn't listen to his atmosphere post) Leaning scum votes me because i made a "useless post" when there was nothing to discuss or post about. Unvotes with literally the same clause as redff (I still think he's scum, but let's lynch somebody else) Makes little sense to me. votes kenpachi on meta. I disagree with his posts about the high priest always reviving lynches. tl;dr the following people are scummy: WBG sinani206 Chaos13 bumatlarge Out of that pool, I'd like to lynch either sinani or bum. I'll look at the vote counts (I think i'll have to look through manually, but whatever) then make my decision with a proper accusation. I think you're trying too hard here, mate. Not to mention, a lot of your "reads" aren't reads at all, they're just fluff. We need more attitude like you, though! Show nested quote +On September 03 2011 04:10 Varpulis wrote:Wherebugsgo + Show Spoiler +scummy. Most of his posts are talking about mechanics and plans, aka "hey look i'm contributing without actually taking a stance or giving reads." Then he jumps on ace, who's as much lynch bait as i am at this point. Put yourself in my shoes as both scum and town, reread, and then tell us all what you see. I'm a size 8 and a half, btw. (stfu I'm short) Just as a heads up guys, if this day is ending in 6 hours, I'm going to have very few chances to post outside of within the next 15 minutes. My vote on Ace had almost no effect (I wanted him to actually contribute so I don't have to deal with fucking null tells) and the rest of the town lynches seem to suck, so I propose two: Drazerk and OriginalName. Of the two, I prefer to lynch OriginalName, since I just have a feeling on Drazerk and that really isn't enough to go on. Anyway, take a look everybody: Filter OriginalNameThe sentence in green directly contradicts the sentence in red: Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 11:54 OriginalName wrote:
Why are we still disscussing Null-tells and passing it off as meta.
Red anything you want to add that actually is from this game? Because imo right now your digging yourself a grave. Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 15:40 OriginalName wrote:
Where the fuck are Drazerk and Sknowman?
Also the one thing I've noticed from posting today is Kenpachis vanilla claim. Firstly why do it? He's trying to establish townieness then basically asks a few questions then completely drops off the face of the earth. Nothing else seems to come out of him and I personally don't mind offing him.
Also along with the above the last time he claimed townie and lurked he flipped scum.
So in recap:
For shitposting and meta I vote
##Vote: Kenpachi SUP Now, take a look at this, and tell me if you can find any scumtells: Filter KenpachiHmmm...can't find any scumminess there. Soooo in recap: OriginalName1. Criticizes town for using null-tells as meta 2. Votes someone on a null tell, passing it off as meta. #unvote
#vote OriginalName+ Show Spoiler +Also, again, where the eff is the voting thread? FINALLY, on the topic of the mechanics of this game: I think we should throw out the idea of ressing lynches. Res the night kills. We can worry about ressing lynches when we have reasonable evidence to suspect that we have lynched an important townie. Otherwise, resurrecting night kills just makes a whole lot more sense. Also, if you are a high priest, please send your res in immediately after the daypost (or night post, whatever the fuck it's called in this nightless game) so that the necro doesn't get priority. Please seriously consider ON guys, I don't know if I'll be around much to pursue this case much today, as I have class in about 20 minutes for another 4-5 hours.
Well 6 hours before day ends he proposes two new lynches. Isn't that useful. That way all the people over in Europe are asleep. That gives us a whole bunch of time to be able to successfully do absolutely nothing. Then he provides another excuse for not being around.
After this he clearly states that the two lynches he wants are Drazerk and ON. Then he dismisses Drazerk because it's just a gut feeling, so he has no motivation to get Draz lynched. Now look at his case on Original Name.
Wow.
A whole contradiction.
And you thought the varp and sinani lynches were bad? Nah.
Then, wait..what? Why is there stuff on Kenpachi in here? I thought it was just Draz and ON. What made you feel the need to throw in something on Kenpachi?
In summary, Wherebugsgo has contributed none of his personal opinions to discussion to the point of ignoring any and all analysis going on except to say the lynches suck, votes for Ace on shitty false reasoning, makes more nothing posts, displays wishy washy scum tendencies, and makes another attempt at starting a bandwagon. In short, Wherebugsgo is mafia.
##Vote Wherebugsgo
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On September 03 2011 11:36 chaos13 wrote:WherebugsgoShow nested quote +On September 02 2011 03:13 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 02 2011 02:32 Varpulis wrote:On September 01 2011 12:02 wherebugsgo wrote:
ACE IS SCUM OMG On September 02 2011 00:53 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 01 2011 21:43 bumatlarge wrote:
Ill talk about wherebugsgo later today. Let's say I'd make him out to be similar to sandroba in terms of intelligence Oh herro framer On that subject (sort of) we don't get the role information from our lynches, correct? Even from the second lynch? So then how do we find out if we struck red? We don't? These are WBG's only 2 posts in game, barring a question to the host. I know you can do better than this. Step it up and contribute. I've started school, and it's day 1. We have nothing to go off right now, there's nothing really to contribute. The flavor of this game is really weird, so I'd rather have as much information as possible than blindly accuse people for shitty reasons. Obviously that worked so well in XLIV, where we lynched two townies before actually objectively reading people's reactions and posts. I'm currently on my phone, and will be back later today. Hopefully we'll have a little more to go on by then. Examine this post closely. Does he get defensive? Does he make excuses for his lack of contribution? Does he provide excuses for then being absent, and suggest that even later he may not contribute? The answer to all three of those is yes. This is not a town response. Sometimes town will not contribute without even realizing it, getting caught up in mechanics and keeping their reads in their mind without sharing them, but when called out upon it they will have a natural skepticism towards their accuser, because they feel that they have been contributing. Instead, WBG becomes defensive and prickly, making it clear that he is completely aware that he's done nothing and does not want attention called to it. Show nested quote +On September 03 2011 03:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'll be honest, all the current lynch targets suck.
If we have only 6 hours left in the day, we have a problem. We need to concentrate our votes very soon. If we're making the first day 72 hours (which I would prefer) we'll get some more information and we can make a better educated guess at who we should be lynching, as time isn't so crucial. On that note:
how much time is left in the day? if we're all in support of making the first say 72 hours I say we do it. It'll give us 24 hours more to deduce and think clearly about this. In this post he blames everyone for bringing up what he feels are shitty lynch targets, yet he provides no reason why he thinks so and does nothing in the way of presenting a case on someone he feels is a better target. Then he goes on to bring up more mechanics discussion. Show nested quote +On September 03 2011 01:56 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 02 2011 22:13 sandroba wrote:
Okay, first unlynchable should definitively never claim. Even if his up for a lynch (and thus reveal that he is unlynchable) if he doesn't claim mafia can't reactively kill them because there is no nights (am I getting this right iGrok?). He can then use his power on the next day and/or get revived the day after mafia shoots him for being confirmed. There is absolutely no reason to claim unlynchable anytime soon.
I need an answer on some questions about mechanic first, to then come up with something, but bum's idea on reviving one of the lynches and checking him day 1 is not terrible. I'll much rather use it in someone important like Ace (who is posting random derp now) though. For now I'm leaning on killing ON and kill/revive Ace.
Can a priest/coroner target someone who is not yet dead?
Which order do the actions go through regarding priests/coroners/mafia?
I second this, I also find Ace's cryptic journal entries a little weird, so I'm fine with lynching him. Ace you need to contribute or I'm calling you scum. Scum. #vote AceAlso where the eff is the voting thread? Finally we get a vote out of this guy, and he votes for Ace? Because his "cryptic journal entries were a little weird". That's some quality scumhunting right there. Sure Ace is trolling and generally being useless, but that wasn't the reasoning that WBG provided. No, his posts are just "a little weird". This is mafia going "Okay, I need to vote and I need a reason for it. Which is the easiest target?" Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:03 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 02 2011 11:54 iGrok wrote:On September 02 2011 11:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
If mafia KP is n/2, and zombies count toward KP, does that mean a townie who is resurrected by a necromancer will count toward mafia KP? i.e. if there are 4 mafia members and 1 town who is resurrected as a zombie, is mafia KP 3? Yes. Oh shit... This could be a problem. So basically, town, we need to be careful of letting mafia resurrect players. As they resurrect they can potentially gain KP for at least a day, even if they resurrect a townie. Thus, they can throw us off AND punish us with extra KP. Any proposed solutions to this dilemma? I'm thinking it might be beneficial to get the holy priests (if we have one/more) to resurrect immediately before the mafia have a chance to capitalize. But...I'm not really sure because there'll be two dead thanks to the lynches and then probably at least two thanks to the mafia kills. On September 02 2011 11:55 redFF wrote:
wait so you want to check and revive someone? Waste of a lynch then? It's a free check, right? The only problem is that we need to get information from the coroner eventually. That'll probably be the hardest part, IMO, especially if the coroner dies someday and we don't know it, he'll miss a check. The coroner basically is the most important role (that we know of) in this game right now. And yet another wasted post. He doesn't even generate actual discussion of mechanics, which can often be helpful, he simply makes basic statements that further nobody's understanding of the game and roles within it, and goes no further towards figuring out how to use these mechanics for town's advantage rather than mafia's. Show nested quote +On September 03 2011 04:59 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 03 2011 04:47 Varpulis wrote:##vote sinani206On September 02 2011 14:37 sinani206 wrote:On September 02 2011 10:27 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 02 2011 10:12 sinani206 wrote:On September 02 2011 10:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 02 2011 09:20 Kenpachi wrote:
bro, I dont recall playing with you 3 so i asked for a general gist of your gameplay from previous games I misunderstood what you were asking, my mistake. But how about you actually do something productive for the town? I might be more inclined to believe you if you were actually trying to help. Every post you've made has been largely unhelpful. That's Kenpachi for you. Also, who would've guessed: sandroba has a plan. And I see no gaping issues with this plan, except for the fact that we can't decide who the three candidates should be.If we can actually find three people who are scummy, then we will be able to use the plan to our advantage. But is it really worth our time to agree on everyone's top three? I like how sinani has completely disregarded the fact that I think he could be scum. Also, he ignored the fact that we already figured picking 3 candidates wouldn't work. He has contributed very little. Currently he's feeling the scummiest to me. #vote sinani206 I'm sorry, I though it would be obvious that I knew that you thought I could be scum. I have acknowledged this in previous posts. Anyway, redFF just keeps feeling more and more scummy to me. I will put my vote on him for now. ##Vote: redFFPS: I know you think I'm not contributing too. I'm explicitly acknowledging this so that you don't think that I'm disregarding it. terrible vote. "he's scummy." is a shitty cop-out vote reason for scum who know that they can't make a plausible case. his PS is BS, basically saying "yeah i know i haven't been contributing, please don't vote for me." On September 03 2011 01:40 sinani206 wrote:
Meh.
I'm the first suspect in this game too, it seems.
Anyway, I can see that I'm not going to get a case for redFF going, so I'm going to change to bumatlarge, who was my next suspect anyway.
##Vote: bumatlarge "my attempt to start a wagon against redFF failed miserably, i'm going to go and hop onto another wagon without explaining anything at all."Also, right now the votes are INCREDIBLY spread out. something like 11/15 people have voted, and we've got a bunch of people tied with 2 votes. With a roleblock and/or an unlucky pious, scum can really screw us over and ensure that only townies die if we don't refocus and get votes piled up on 2 or 3 candidates. I just saw this. The only problem I have with the part I've bolded is that dumb townies do it too. Remember hiro? He did basically this in XLIV and we ended up lynching him because we couldn't tell his dumbtells apart from real scumtells. I agree with your logic for the most part, but I want to be cautious here. Scumdar alert. We have somebody who is scummy and up for a lynch (sinani206). WBG makes a move away from his traditional no comment idea and defends sinani. As defense he uses a different player from a different game who flipped town while behaving this way. If it was a meta argument for sinani I would be far more comfortable with this post, but it's not so. Apparently hiro in XLIV is a good defense for sinani here, even though they are two completely separate people with different play styles. Then he ends it with a wishy washy mafia statement. Possible, but let's be careful. Not only that, but "I agree with your logic for the most part." Alright...which parts don't you agree with? Why do you not agree with them? Show nested quote +On September 03 2011 04:43 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 03 2011 04:12 Ace wrote:
stop giving reads on every player in the game. you're fucking useless. Fixed; I think this is what Ace meant to say. On September 03 2011 04:10 Varpulis wrote:Alright, It looks like trying to convince you guys not to lynch me is a lost cause (admittedly i did a pretty poor job to begin with, but that's beside the point) I'm going to filter everybody and give my brief opinions on them. They won't be taken seriously now, i know, but hopefully they'll have more weight when a coroner checks me, which should happen eventually. The people saying that we shouldn't revive lynches are right. If scum want a lynch back, let them do it themselves. Zombies are temporary, so unless they're as scummy as scummy can be, lynching them night not be necessary. If they're increasing kp, by all means lynch lynch lynch, but if you believe mafia to have, for example, 3 players left, a zombie won't actually increase their kp, so you might as well just wait for them to die. High priest should be reviving night kills, because those are far more likely to be town. Without further ado, my reads: Jackal58 + Show Spoiler +leaning green, but there's not much to go on. he's playing his usual style as far as i can tell, and the reasoning behind his vote is relatively sound. He's wrong, but he's not mafia. His suspicion and application of pressure and moderate tunneling are both pro town and effective. lurky, but his one post is good and informative. Not sure, leaning town. no fucking clue, as usual. scummy. Most of his posts are talking about mechanics and plans, aka "hey look i'm contributing without actually taking a stance or giving reads." Then he jumps on ace, who's as much lynch bait as i am at this point. also scummy. Soft defends me and then votes redFF with the explanation "he's scummy." When that doesn't work he jumps on the bumatlarge wagon again with the explanation "he's scummy." No explanation, nothing. Keep a close eye on this guy. lurky. Only 2 posts in the game, votes sinani, which i agree with. needs to post more. i've got a town read on him, based on his attitude, activity, and the content of his posts. I don't see the scum motives in his posting, but this is more of a gut read than anything else had some early posts that weren't too bad, then started trolling with his journal. Null read, would like to see him actually contribute. A player who trolls even when asked to stop is a liability. Doesn't like meta lynching, votes Kenpachi on meta (???). contradiction, scummy. Needs to post more Strong town. considers multiple points of view, and is able to step out of tunnel vision and make objective decisions. Filter him if you need any more convincing wishy washy as hell. Not taking risks, votes palmar because Palmar was mean to him (aka didn't listen to his atmosphere post) Leaning scum votes me because i made a "useless post" when there was nothing to discuss or post about. Unvotes with literally the same clause as redff (I still think he's scum, but let's lynch somebody else) Makes little sense to me. votes kenpachi on meta. I disagree with his posts about the high priest always reviving lynches. tl;dr the following people are scummy: WBG sinani206 Chaos13 bumatlarge Out of that pool, I'd like to lynch either sinani or bum. I'll look at the vote counts (I think i'll have to look through manually, but whatever) then make my decision with a proper accusation. I think you're trying too hard here, mate. Not to mention, a lot of your "reads" aren't reads at all, they're just fluff. We need more attitude like you, though! On September 03 2011 04:10 Varpulis wrote:Wherebugsgo + Show Spoiler +scummy. Most of his posts are talking about mechanics and plans, aka "hey look i'm contributing without actually taking a stance or giving reads." Then he jumps on ace, who's as much lynch bait as i am at this point. Put yourself in my shoes as both scum and town, reread, and then tell us all what you see. I'm a size 8 and a half, btw. (stfu I'm short) Just as a heads up guys, if this day is ending in 6 hours, I'm going to have very few chances to post outside of within the next 15 minutes. My vote on Ace had almost no effect (I wanted him to actually contribute so I don't have to deal with fucking null tells) and the rest of the town lynches seem to suck, so I propose two: Drazerk and OriginalName. Of the two, I prefer to lynch OriginalName, since I just have a feeling on Drazerk and that really isn't enough to go on. Anyway, take a look everybody: Filter OriginalNameThe sentence in green directly contradicts the sentence in red: On September 01 2011 11:54 OriginalName wrote:
Why are we still disscussing Null-tells and passing it off as meta.
Red anything you want to add that actually is from this game? Because imo right now your digging yourself a grave. On September 02 2011 15:40 OriginalName wrote:
Where the fuck are Drazerk and Sknowman?
Also the one thing I've noticed from posting today is Kenpachis vanilla claim. Firstly why do it? He's trying to establish townieness then basically asks a few questions then completely drops off the face of the earth. Nothing else seems to come out of him and I personally don't mind offing him.
Also along with the above the last time he claimed townie and lurked he flipped scum.
So in recap:
For shitposting and meta I vote
##Vote: Kenpachi SUP Now, take a look at this, and tell me if you can find any scumtells: Filter KenpachiHmmm...can't find any scumminess there. Soooo in recap: OriginalName1. Criticizes town for using null-tells as meta 2. Votes someone on a null tell, passing it off as meta. #unvote
#vote OriginalName+ Show Spoiler +Also, again, where the eff is the voting thread? FINALLY, on the topic of the mechanics of this game: I think we should throw out the idea of ressing lynches. Res the night kills. We can worry about ressing lynches when we have reasonable evidence to suspect that we have lynched an important townie. Otherwise, resurrecting night kills just makes a whole lot more sense. Also, if you are a high priest, please send your res in immediately after the daypost (or night post, whatever the fuck it's called in this nightless game) so that the necro doesn't get priority. Please seriously consider ON guys, I don't know if I'll be around much to pursue this case much today, as I have class in about 20 minutes for another 4-5 hours. Well 6 hours before day ends he proposes two new lynches. Isn't that useful. That way all the people over in Europe are asleep. That gives us a whole bunch of time to be able to successfully do absolutely nothing. Then he provides another excuse for not being around. After this he clearly states that the two lynches he wants are Drazerk and ON. Then he dismisses Drazerk because it's just a gut feeling, so he has no motivation to get Draz lynched. Now look at his case on Original Name. Wow. A whole contradiction. And you thought the varp and sinani lynches were bad? Nah. Then, wait..what? Why is there stuff on Kenpachi in here? I thought it was just Draz and ON. What made you feel the need to throw in something on Kenpachi? In summary, Wherebugsgo has contributed none of his personal opinions to discussion to the point of ignoring any and all analysis going on except to say the lynches suck, votes for Ace on shitty false reasoning, makes more nothing posts, displays wishy washy scum tendencies, and makes another attempt at starting a bandwagon. In short, Wherebugsgo is mafia.##Vote Wherebugsgo
Dude, you seriously need to learn to read, particularly if you're town. If you're mafia, I guess I'm not surprised.
Then, wait..what? Why is there stuff on Kenpachi in here? I thought it was just Draz and ON. What made you feel the need to throw in something on Kenpachi?
Clearly you didn't understand the entire reason I voted ON. He contradicted himself on the meta, by saying that people were passing off null tells as meta and then throwing votes around. He then did this himself in his vote on Kenpachi, taking Kenpachi's nulltells (hence my link to Kenpachi's filter) and twisting them into a meta argument against Kenpachi.
I was DEFENDING Kenpachi. If you actually bothered to read my posts, you'd realize that.
God town is being dumb today.
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