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also town being dumb is not a valid response, if your getting voted its nobodys fault but ur own. i would like ace to contribute.
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redFF
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##Unvote ##Vote wherebugsgo also town being dumb is not a valid response, if your getting voted its nobodys fault but ur own. i would like ace to contribute. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
Im convinced. he gives off a mafia aura within his posts. I also thought it was funny of him to defend me saying i wasnt that scummy because: 1. he never played a game with me before 2. he didnt find me scummy .. i find myself to be scummy and only vets can say my scumminess is not scummy. | ||
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Kenpachi
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sinani206
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Can I be Jesus? | ||
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wherebugsgo
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On September 03 2011 11:54 redFF wrote: lol@that defense. nice analysis chaos, i was specifically confused at how aggresive he was at me when i claimed with the swearing and the cursing and how he kept saying he knew varp and sinani were town and it was obvious yet did very little to stop their lynch. ##Unvote ##Vote wherebugsgo also town being dumb is not a valid response, if your getting voted its nobodys fault but ur own. i would like ace to contribute. Actually town IS being dumb. First of all, defending myself doesn't make me scummy. Second, your claim was horrible and you've done nothing for town. In particular, you tunneled two people yesterday, with 0 reasons for their lynch, and several people ended up siding with you. We certainly lynched two town yesterday, since mafia KP did not go down and they most likely have 3 members. Third, I actually DID do something, I contributed with an analysis of ON and encouraged people to read it. Obviously no one read it, because chaos13 comes along with "analysis" that claims I had no reason to vote for ON and then proceeds to completely miss why I included Kenpachi's filter. How the hell else was I supposed to stop their lynch when half the sheep in this stupid town insta-bandwagoned them? It's quite funny that you accuse me of doing nothing when you're pretty much singlehandedly responsible for us lynching two townies on day 1. Fourth, you've already accused like half the players in this game of being scum. The only players you haven't accused are chaos, kenpachi, sandroba, and the three guys who died from mafia last night. Chaos and kenpachi just bandwagoned with you, sandroba is clearly town, and obviously the three other guys don't matter cause they're already dead. You think sinani, varp, me, Ace, Palmar, bum, ON are all scum. 7/15, not bad eh? And, you agree with THIS "analysis": + Show Spoiler + On September 03 2011 11:36 chaos13 wrote: Wherebugsgo Examine this post closely. Does he get defensive? Does he make excuses for his lack of contribution? Does he provide excuses for then being absent, and suggest that even later he may not contribute? The answer to all three of those is yes. This is not a town response. Sometimes town will not contribute without even realizing it, getting caught up in mechanics and keeping their reads in their mind without sharing them, but when called out upon it they will have a natural skepticism towards their accuser, because they feel that they have been contributing. Instead, WBG becomes defensive and prickly, making it clear that he is completely aware that he's done nothing and does not want attention called to it. In this post he blames everyone for bringing up what he feels are shitty lynch targets, yet he provides no reason why he thinks so and does nothing in the way of presenting a case on someone he feels is a better target. Then he goes on to bring up more mechanics discussion. Finally we get a vote out of this guy, and he votes for Ace? Because his "cryptic journal entries were a little weird". That's some quality scumhunting right there. Sure Ace is trolling and generally being useless, but that wasn't the reasoning that WBG provided. No, his posts are just "a little weird". This is mafia going "Okay, I need to vote and I need a reason for it. Which is the easiest target?" And yet another wasted post. He doesn't even generate actual discussion of mechanics, which can often be helpful, he simply makes basic statements that further nobody's understanding of the game and roles within it, and goes no further towards figuring out how to use these mechanics for town's advantage rather than mafia's. Scumdar alert. We have somebody who is scummy and up for a lynch (sinani206). WBG makes a move away from his traditional no comment idea and defends sinani. As defense he uses a different player from a different game who flipped town while behaving this way. If it was a meta argument for sinani I would be far more comfortable with this post, but it's not so. Apparently hiro in XLIV is a good defense for sinani here, even though they are two completely separate people with different play styles. Then he ends it with a wishy washy mafia statement. Possible, but let's be careful. Not only that, but "I agree with your logic for the most part." Alright...which parts don't you agree with? Why do you not agree with them? Well 6 hours before day ends he proposes two new lynches. Isn't that useful. That way all the people over in Europe are asleep. That gives us a whole bunch of time to be able to successfully do absolutely nothing. Then he provides another excuse for not being around. After this he clearly states that the two lynches he wants are Drazerk and ON. Then he dismisses Drazerk because it's just a gut feeling, so he has no motivation to get Draz lynched. Now look at his case on Original Name. Wow. A whole contradiction. And you thought the varp and sinani lynches were bad? Nah. Then, wait..what? Why is there stuff on Kenpachi in here? I thought it was just Draz and ON. What made you feel the need to throw in something on Kenpachi? In summary, Wherebugsgo has contributed none of his personal opinions to discussion to the point of ignoring any and all analysis going on except to say the lynches suck, votes for Ace on shitty false reasoning, makes more nothing posts, displays wishy washy scum tendencies, and makes another attempt at starting a bandwagon. In short, Wherebugsgo is mafia. ##Vote Wherebugsgo If you seriously think a shred of that is real analysis then you're either thick, trolling, or mafia. Since I don't think you're massively retarded and I don't think you're trolling either, you're probably mafia. I mean, let's break this down, shall we? On September 03 2011 11:36 chaos13 wrote: Examine this post closely. Does he get defensive? Does he make excuses for his lack of contribution? Does he provide excuses for then being absent, and suggest that even later he may not contribute? The answer to all three of those is yes. This is not a town response. Sometimes town will not contribute without even realizing it, getting caught up in mechanics and keeping their reads in their mind without sharing them, but when called out upon it they will have a natural skepticism towards their accuser, because they feel that they have been contributing. Instead, WBG becomes defensive and prickly, making it clear that he is completely aware that he's done nothing and does not want attention called to it. 1. Nothing scummy about defending myself. 2. Valid excuses, I had class all day and that's why I wasn't posting. 3. I did not suggest that I will not be able to contribute. On the other hand, I contributed during the little time that I had! Much more than the oodles of people who were here the entire time and did jack shit. 4. It is a town response, you just don't have the ability to see from a different town perspective, or you are purposely being misleading. 5. I don't want attention called to my so-called "lack of contribution" because I am town and I know that any time that townies spend trying to get me lynched is more time for mafia to bandwagon votes on us. I want a productive atmosphere, not one where there are 8 suspects and no one knows what the fuck is going on. Unfortunately, that's how it was yesterday and I had to do the best I could do with what was available. The two lynches were Varp and sinani, they both sucked, so I voted for the player I found scummiest, ON. No one bothered to read my analysis, that's not my fault. On September 03 2011 11:36 chaos13 wrote: In this post he blames everyone for bringing up what he feels are shitty lynch targets, yet he provides no reason why he thinks so and does nothing in the way of presenting a case on someone he feels is a better target. Then he goes on to bring up more mechanics discussion. It didn't take a genius to note that all the lynches sucked. Varp and sirani were clearly town, yet they got tunneled and bandwagoned until you idiots lynched them. Most of the "scumtells" were really just null tells or dumbtells, nothing more. I voted ON on the basis that he contradicted himself (a great way to find mafia, if I may add) by using a nulltell on Kenpachi to accuse him with meta. I thought he was the best lynch target yesterday, and I'll stand by that statement. Lastly, I brought up more mechanics discussion because *gasp* this is a really flavorful game and CLEARLY NO ONE READS THE THREAD. You, chaos13, showed signs multiple times of not having read the thread. I brought up mechanics multiple times because it was clear to me that the town didn't understand shit. We can't hunt mafia until we actually understand how the game works. On September 03 2011 11:36 chaos13 wrote: Finally we get a vote out of this guy, and he votes for Ace? Because his "cryptic journal entries were a little weird". That's some quality scumhunting right there. Sure Ace is trolling and generally being useless, but that wasn't the reasoning that WBG provided. No, his posts are just "a little weird". This is mafia going "Okay, I need to vote and I need a reason for it. Which is the easiest target?" Lol wut? First of all, I voted Ace because everyone had completely ignored his trolling and I felt that it was necessary to at least force Ace to contribute if he was actually town. If he isn't town, he's not likely to get shot day 1 (guess what, he didn't get shot) and if he IS town, he'll probably contribute something reasonably soon. If Ace hasn't contributed anything by the end of today, and if he isn't shot, he's almost definitely mafia. But, again, like most players today, Ace is giving off a ton of null tells and not posting very much. So you're right in that my vote on Ace wasn't intended to get him lynched. I hated both the varp and sinani lynches because they were towny to me and it just didn't make sense to vote for them. At the time, there were pretty much no other options so I created my own. I voted Ace and then when he decided to be himself and continue trolling, I realized that trying to pressure him is rather fruitless and I voted ON for the reasons I've already stated that qualified him as being scummy to me. Lastly, if I was mafia and I wanted an easy target, I would've just bandwagoned one of Varp or sinani. Just think about it. On September 03 2011 11:36 chaos13 wrote: And yet another wasted post. He doesn't even generate actual discussion of mechanics, which can often be helpful, he simply makes basic statements that further nobody's understanding of the game and roles within it, and goes no further towards figuring out how to use these mechanics for town's advantage rather than mafia's. Why are you trying so hard to spin my posts off as mafia-aligned? Again, at the time of this discussion, people did NOT understand the mechanics of this game. I gave my opinions on the roles of coroner, and who HPs should res, etc. etc. If we don't have this organized by day 1 or early day 2 we all get screwed because our power roles don't know what they should be doing and people become confused about the game mechanics. This leads to more disorder and leads to a bad town atmosphere. Like, for example, the current town atmosphere. Lastly, I have no idea how you come to the conclusion that I have not helped town with my discussion of the game mechanics. You insinuate that I've helped mafia with my discussion without even providing concrete reasons why. On September 03 2011 11:36 chaos13 wrote: Scumdar alert. We have somebody who is scummy and up for a lynch (sinani206). WBG makes a move away from his traditional no comment idea and defends sinani. As defense he uses a different player from a different game who flipped town while behaving this way. If it was a meta argument for sinani I would be far more comfortable with this post, but it's not so. Apparently hiro in XLIV is a good defense for sinani here, even though they are two completely separate people with different play styles. Then he ends it with a wishy washy mafia statement. Possible, but let's be careful. Not only that, but "I agree with your logic for the most part." Alright...which parts don't you agree with? Why do you not agree with them? Are you insinuating that I defended sinani because he was mafia? Are you thick? First of all, I have no "traditional no comment" on lynch targets. I say what's on my mind, and I say it almost always when it comes to me. My defense of sinani hinged on the fact that he was giving off a bunch of null tells and dumbtells. Townies are almost always the dumbest players in the game. This doesn't make them scummy, it just makes them dumb.. Just because Sevryn and Hiro were dumb in XLIV, it didn't necessarily make them scummy (a lesson I learned the hard way, when we ended up lynching them) Sinani and Varp both made some dumb remarks, but that doesn't make them scummy either. As for what I agreed with varp on, I agreed with varp about the votes being spread out and needing to concentrate them so that mafia couldn't swing the lynch in their favor. Of course, I couldn't do very much to swing the votes away from varp and sinani, because no one was reading/listening. The part that I did not necessarily agree with was varp's "case" on sinani. I already explained that, it just seemed like a bunch of dumbtells to me. On September 03 2011 11:36 chaos13 wrote: Well 6 hours before day ends he proposes two new lynches. Isn't that useful. That way all the people over in Europe are asleep. That gives us a whole bunch of time to be able to successfully do absolutely nothing. Then he provides another excuse for not being around. After this he clearly states that the two lynches he wants are Drazerk and ON. Then he dismisses Drazerk because it's just a gut feeling, so he has no motivation to get Draz lynched. Now look at his case on Original Name. Wow. A whole contradiction. And you thought the varp and sinani lynches were bad? Nah. Then, wait..what? Why is there stuff on Kenpachi in here? I thought it was just Draz and ON. What made you feel the need to throw in something on Kenpachi? In summary, Wherebugsgo has contributed none of his personal opinions to discussion to the point of ignoring any and all analysis going on except to say the lynches suck, votes for Ace on shitty false reasoning, makes more nothing posts, displays wishy washy scum tendencies, and makes another attempt at starting a bandwagon. In short, Wherebugsgo is mafia. So, I'm scummy because I didn't like the Varp/sinani lynches and didn't do anything about them. Now I'm scummy because I introduced two new lynches six hours before the day ended? Dude, make up your mind. Am I scummy because I didn't do anything to defend two townies, or am I scummy because I decided to do something to divert a lynch off two townies? And you wonder why I keep saying you guys are acting like blithering morons? #1. I live in California, it was around noon for me when I wrote all that. I had class in the morning, and one hour after that post. Do you expect me to post at 6 am on the second 24 hour cycle just so the Europeans can see it? #2. Yeah, I dismissed Drazerk because it was only a gut feeling. I had no evidence on him but I wanted to make it clear that I found him "scummy". I was almost certainly wrong, obviously, because he died last night. I put my opinions out there because it's better to have my opinions for the town to read about my scumreads (which, at the time, were pretty much just those two players) than not have them out there. This last part deserves its own attention, because it really shows you're grasping at straws here. On September 03 2011 11:36 chaos13 wrote: Now look at his case on Original Name. Wow. A whole contradiction. And you thought the varp and sinani lynches were bad? Nah. Then, wait..what? Why is there stuff on Kenpachi in here? I thought it was just Draz and ON. What made you feel the need to throw in something on Kenpachi? In summary, Wherebugsgo has contributed none of his personal opinions to discussion to the point of ignoring any and all analysis going on except to say the lynches suck, votes for Ace on shitty false reasoning, makes more nothing posts, displays wishy washy scum tendencies, and makes another attempt at starting a bandwagon. In short, Wherebugsgo is mafia. Bolded=clearly you didn't read. Italicized=completely false. I voted for Ace because I agreed with Sandroba's idea + Show Spoiler [rage] + (BUT NO ONE WAS LISTENING TO SANDROBA. HE WAS THE ONLY VOICE OF REASON ALL OF YESTERDAY WHO WAS ACTUALLY ACTIVE. GOOD GOD) TL;DR Chaos accuses me of being mafia, not contributing, having shitty reasoning, making nothing posts, displaying wishy washy tendencies, and starting bandwagons. I accuse chaos of being full of shit. | ||
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redFF
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On September 03 2011 13:25 redFF wrote: its weird that your longest and biggest contribution to the thread is defending yourself. The thread is chock full of null tells right now, how many times do I have to say this? The only exceptions are you and chaos13, and honestly that's not difficult to see now. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On September 03 2011 11:27 bumatlarge wrote: redff can't really be scum when the real coroner can just counter claim him. As for sandroba's RB, I think it was a bit of distraction from varpulis as a block could not have saved him. Please don't use it as an argument to lynch me. From my standpoint I think sandroba is lying and throwing the wagon on me so his case looks stronger. I suggest we lynch ON and sandroba tonight or if im going to get lynched, and redff is alive, i would ask him to check me and confirm me. okay what? What are you actually saying in this post? Why am I scum? And why did you suddenly change your mind about ON? Please ignore chaos13 post and vote for bum and ON. | ||
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Palmar
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On September 03 2011 13:28 wherebugsgo wrote: The thread is chock full of null tells right now, how many times do I have to say this? The only exceptions are you and chaos13, and honestly that's not difficult to see now. ah..OMGUS. | ||
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Palmar
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let's kill ace and bum, gogo | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
I think WGB/Sandroba/redFF/Myself/jcarl are town I think Kenpachi/Ace/chaos13 are null reads I think ON/Bum are scum Thing is, ON/Bum both pressured Kenpachi yesterday, which reduces the chances of him being scum, so if I'm correct it's down to Ace or chaos for scum. Let's do it. | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
On September 03 2011 15:49 sandroba wrote: okay what? What are you actually saying in this post? Why am I scum? And why did you suddenly change your mind about ON? Please ignore chaos13 post and vote for bum and ON. Oh look, somebody is defending WBG by means of deflecting attention away from his lynch. Not only that, they're doing it by asking someone to ignore an analysis on a player. You know scum, just because it's a no flip game doesn't mean you don't have to put effort in. sinani206 Wherebugsgo sandroba | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 03 2011 23:58 chaos13 wrote: Oh look, somebody is defending WBG by means of deflecting attention away from his lynch. Not only that, they're doing it by asking someone to ignore an analysis on a player. You know scum, just because it's a no flip game doesn't mean you don't have to put effort in. sinani206 Wherebugsgo sandroba Ok, assuming there are 3 scum, this would mean the mafia kp is 2. 3 died last night. So that means someone died by a way other than mafia kp. This is either the minion shot or the vig shot. I'm going to assume the vig didn't shoot already, but it's possible. If sinani had been scum, this would reduce the mafia numbers to 2, and thus, their kp to 1. Chances are very very high that sinani was not scum. | ||
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