Resurrection Mafia - Page 23

On September 04 2011 05:43 OriginalName wrote:


##Vote RedFF

Nice reads bro.

For the record I was right about how shitty those wagons are, and in case you guys havent noticed Kenpachi started lurking again after he got off the hook, however I doubt any of you guys are willing to try to lynch him.

Reds totally not clear at all just pushes pushes pushes and does weird shit. Seems real shifty to me.

Why should I think your townie anyways.

On September 04 2011 04:50 wherebugsgo wrote:



Few things here I want to point out. There's a bunch of WIFOM here with respect to bum. For me, personally, looking at everything that's happened today/yesterday and at the vote counts, I give bum a 50/50% shot at flipping mafia. I think sandroba is town, so I value his RB claim (and no one has counter claimed RB) so I think it's very possible that mafia RBed sandroba in order to get fewer votes on bum. Then again, we could very likely have been on the path to lynch 3 townies, so mafia could've just arbitrarily picked sandroba because he appeared to be a definite town, possibly with a power, so they blocked him and created this WIFOM because of sandroba's insistence on lynching bum.

bum=?

Next, look at the other two people who voted varpulis. Kenpachi and red. They voted together on me as well. I'm thinking their alignments are possibly linked. I give them a strong chance to both flip mafia, or both flip town. I'll get back to them in a sec.

The remaining two players I suspect are chaos13 and ON.

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Well, all three of those players are green. I can guarantee you all that.

Chaos here attempting to forge a connection between myself and sandroba somehow. Any decent player will know that no such connection exists. He then immediately follows up with this:

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When immediately called out on his shitty reasoning, he just says "good point" without explicitly acknowledging that he's dead wrong/being misleading about sinani/me/sandroba. Sinani is not scum.

Then, doesn't actually question Palmar, doesn't defend himself, doesn't do anything to actually substantiate his arguments. Whenever attention goes to chaos, he brushes it off and tries to go under the radar. This happened day 1 when he got two votes as well; he just completely dismissed the votes and tried getting less attention. I figure he probably knew that trying to defend himself would just expose more of his scumminess.

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Shows a blatant disregard for actually reading the thread/being informed.

He then tries to make a case on me for having apparently shitty reasoning/trying to inform the town of game mechanics. So, if he's town, he's completely stupid, which I find rather unlikely. Instead, I find him probably to be mafia, being purposely misleading. No one misses this many things as a dumb townie.

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Here's where he replies to both votes on him day 1, but doesn't really do anything about it, just tries to brush off the votes.

1. He doesn't address Jackal's meta argument. If Jackal had it incorrect, I'd think chaos would've actually responded somehow to it.
2. Chaos acknowledges that Ace has voted him for no reason, but doesn't actually provoke Ace or demand Ace provide reasoning. Just "hello Ace."

He then IMMEDIATELY slips into something else, bringing attention away from those votes on himself:

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So, he votes Varpulis for apparently having a shitty meta argument. I'm taking "for the strongest mta argument I've seen" to be sarcasm.

Here is Varp's filter:

Filter Varpulis-what meta?

Either I'm retarded, or Varp never once used meta to accuse anyone of anything.

On the other hand, this brings up a great question. Why would chaos vote varp for having a shitty meta argument (when, in fact, he had no meta argument whatsoever) but would not call out Jackal's meta argument against himself? Did he not want attention brought to it?

I think so. I think the running theme of chaos13 is "don't bring attention to myself."

Don't believe me? Read his filter. Filter Chaos13 Since I get the vibe you don't want attention, chaos, I'm giving it to you. Bring it on, biatch.

Finally, ON. I called him out after the voting was closed, right before the daypost, for not changing his vote. He threw away his vote on Kenpachi similar to how chaos had thrown his vote on Palmar prior to voting Varpulis. The only difference is that ON was actually around to change his vote but didn't change. He was aware that his vote didn't matter, and his argument was nonexistent. This is why I voted ON with the intention of getting people's attention away from sinani+varp, who were clearly town. In the 6 hours I was gone though, no one actually paid attention to my argument.

He didn't really respond at all to me pointing out that he wasted his vote, and he was even there right before the closure of votes. The problem is that now there is more information to go on and make a case against chaos than there is against ON, since chaos has appeared more scummy in the time that ON has not posted.

Here's where I come back to redff and kenpachi. While I think there's a strong chance these guys are linked, I also think that there exists an opposing link between ON and kenpachi. I can't be sure of this, but this is my gut feeling. If ON is mafia, kenpachi is town, and vice versa.

HOWEVER, this does not rule out the possibility that there are 4 mafia, or at least 3 mafia and some independent role we need to kill anyway. I am most sure of chaos, ON, redff, kenpachi, bum in that order. Things may change as people post more, but for now I really think the only person who is not going to come off that list is chaos, so I'm going to vote him.

##unvote
##vote chaos13.

Also upon reading bum's posts I lean town on him. He's giving me a different vibe than I got in XLIV. It doesn't rule him out of being mafia, just something I feel at this particular juncture.

On September 04 2011 06:11 Kenpachi wrote:
dunno man, i want to get rid of all 3 of the major lynches right now. i'll decide tmrw.

at the end of the day i can see Mafia using their KP on RedFF and Palmar. I will propose to you all to NOT revive Red immediately. Lets revive him later on or force Mafia to revive someone who is valuable to town. Another reason is Mafia's 3rd KP comes from the minion which acts as a free ressurection on blues. Think about it, the longer Red is dead, the more people die and when we really need him, we revive him and check everyone who died (assuming thats how his role works)

On September 04 2011 06:11 Kenpachi wrote:
dunno man, i want to get rid of all 3 of the major lynches right now. i'll decide tmrw.

at the end of the day i can see Mafia using their KP on RedFF and Palmar. I will propose to you all to NOT revive Red immediately. Lets revive him later on or force Mafia to revive someone who is valuable to town. Another reason is Mafia's 3rd KP comes from the minion which acts as a free ressurection on blues. Think about it, the longer Red is dead, the more people die and when we really need him, we revive him and check everyone who died (assuming thats how his role works)

On September 04 2011 03:48 bumatlarge wrote:


Just so we can be clear here redff, you checked both? I believe you, but I know the OP specifically says a corpse. Can you clarify the differences between coroner as it states in the OP and coroner's apprentice?

On September 04 2011 05:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
Oops I messed that up. Let me redo that:

Voting bumatlarge
sandroba
Palmar

Voting OriginalName
redFF
wherebugsgo
bumatlarge

Voting redFF
Ace

Voting wherebugsgo
chaos13
kenpachi

I forgot bum voted ON. Oh BTW point of my voting situation was to show that votes are really split right now and that helps mafia. We need people to vote bum/ON. 8 people have voted already and the two who haven't are jcarl, ON. jcarl needs to vote for bum and ON will probably throw his vote again.

If Ace doesn't switch to ON/bum then I think he's certainly mafia.

On September 04 2011 07:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Hey guys, sorry I've been somewhat inactive today. I've been packing to move into school tomorrow =) I have been keeping up with it though.




I'm not confused that he would be able to check either varp or sinani. I am, however, somewhat skeptical that he would be able to check both at the same time. Maybe it works differently in no-flip, but it seems odd. If this is the case, why didn't red check all 5 that died, and then tell us what we lost town-wise. Coroner checks alignment AND role. I doubt that all 5 that died were green. We must have lost something important. And why wouldn't red want to know the roles and alignments of all 5 that died last night? Also, "Coroner's Apprentice" sounds...made up and convenient for him. FoS red




I haven't voted yet because I don't like to vote in the first half of the day on principal. I like to watch how things play out for the whole day, and make my decision in the second half. I do find bum pretty suspicious, although I am worried about WIFOM in sandroba's RB. It is entirely possible that the mafia would roleblock one of their own (sandroba) in order to make it seem like bum is scum.

I will hold my vote for now, but I will vote early on tomorrow so that there is plenty of time for everyone to see the vote and discuss the situations.

On September 04 2011 07:05 redFF wrote:
im secret coroners apprentice, i can check twice a day.

On September 04 2011 07:18 bumatlarge wrote:


They wouldn't block sandroba if he was mafia, they would just not do anything. It's more likely that he would claim that if they didn't have a blocker at all.



Very nice, though perhaps it might have been better to wait a little later in the day for someone to make an odd claim. I'm not really fearing lynched now, because I'm fairly certain chaos or ON are scum, so it's worth it. Shame redff will probably die tomorrow, alignment seems to be key this game, and I think we can assume redff is the last blue that can check it.

Did you get alignment or roles at all as well?