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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
September 03 2011 23:33 GMT
#461
On September 04 2011 07:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
What happens if 3 people are tied for votes?

The first 2 people to gain the # of votes are lynched.
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redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
September 03 2011 23:34 GMT
#462
On September 04 2011 06:11 Kenpachi wrote:
dunno man, i want to get rid of all 3 of the major lynches right now. i'll decide tmrw.

at the end of the day i can see Mafia using their KP on RedFF and Palmar. I will propose to you all to NOT revive Red immediately. Lets revive him later on or force Mafia to revive someone who is valuable to town. Another reason is Mafia's 3rd KP comes from the minion which acts as a free ressurection on blues. Think about it, the longer Red is dead, the more people die and when we really need him, we revive him and check everyone who died (assuming thats how his role works)

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OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
September 03 2011 23:37 GMT
#463
On September 04 2011 08:34 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2011 06:11 Kenpachi wrote:
dunno man, i want to get rid of all 3 of the major lynches right now. i'll decide tmrw.

at the end of the day i can see Mafia using their KP on RedFF and Palmar. I will propose to you all to NOT revive Red immediately. Lets revive him later on or force Mafia to revive someone who is valuable to town. Another reason is Mafia's 3rd KP comes from the minion which acts as a free ressurection on blues. Think about it, the longer Red is dead, the more people die and when we really need him, we revive him and check everyone who died (assuming thats how his role works)

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And now you see my point of view.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
September 04 2011 00:18 GMT
#464
Good god you people are fucking stupid.

Why are you asking everyone for their Town and Scum reads? Think past your ass for 5 minutes here. It's a no flip game, no information roles except ONE is revealed in the OP, and you aren't sure of the Mafia count.

What the fuck is anyone's Town reads going to accomplish right now but to clutter the thread and lead to bullshit? Secondly telling everyone your town reads opens up to Scum manipulation. Your votes can't criss cross your Town reads or you'll be called out by any decent Scum reading the thread. You shouldn't give your Town reads early because the Mafia can see what players don't have strong support, leading to the easy sheepish behavior by the Town to lynch the person with the least friends.

Stop doing it.

Stop talking about "Town tells, Scum tells, and Null tells". Not one of you have a fucking clue how to use them. Makes my heard hurt reading posts by some moron trying to fit a square peg in a round hole while he has monkey shit on his face.

Stop talking about the balance of the Scum team. You don't know how iGrok chose to pick teams, and even f you got an inkling it's not going to get you very far. Likewise, stop trying to say "if this guy is Scum the this one has to be". Are you dumb? We dont have any flips yet, and get them one at a time. You've got to be retarded to speculate on something that even in normal setups takes some voting wagons and post analysis to figure out.

Now on to some real scum hunting since I left you jubjubs alone and see that you still suck like shit. Amazingly the ability to read and reason hasn't improved in 2 months. redFF's claim is probable. but not likely. I'm going to do this in TWO ways. Just follow sit back and take a seat, and dont drool on my chair.

The main issue with redFF's claim is this:

On September 03 2011 10:32 redFF wrote:
im secret coroners apprentice, checked varp and sinani both town ressurect sinani plz.


On September 03 2011 10:32 redFF wrote:
i become coroner if coroner dies


On September 04 2011 07:05 redFF wrote:
im secret coroners apprentice, i can check twice a day.


On September 04 2011 07:29 redFF wrote:
i got both alignment and roles, revive sinani over varp.

i dont have any checks left tho, since im just a reserve coroner, not a full blown one.


Back up roles never work like this, and this would be borderline criminal. First of all backup roles aren't used much because it penalizes the Scum team for performing well. The only instance of backup roles I ever see is when the Town success hinges on that one role. It is possible that there is a backup Coroner in the setup. But the backup role is always an exact copy of the original role - never more powerful.

Check it out:




Coroner
Can look at a corpse and determine alignment and role. May be used any time, and will instantly return the information (as soon as I get the pm).


How is it that the back up Coroner can check 2 people while the original can only check one? This doesn't seem right.

Secondly if you really are the backup Coroner tell us both people you checked out, the alignments and the roles. You haven't exactly revealed this information easily and this is a major reason why I don't believe you. Even assuming there is an imbalanced backup Coroner role like you said, this would mean you aren't actually thinking about how the game works. Check it:

Resurrected Players will live until they are killed again.


If you revealed the roles, at worst you'd let them be able to use their powers and get killed again. However, you just outed your own self as the back up Coroner. Just thinking things through for more than 10 seconds after seeing THREE people die wouldn't it make sense for you to show some restraint? Thats exactly why I posted this earlier:

On September 03 2011 09:42 Ace wrote:
Coroner, I know you have a pretty tricky job to do but I'm going to help you out. Since you can't communicate with me I'll just give you a name:

Check the corpse of Sinani. If you dont say anything once the corpse is checked, I will take your silence as confirmation of Sinani's innocence. That way the priest can revive him knowing he is town aligned.

Otherwise take the chance and speak out if you find Sinani to be Scum.


You could have just bandwagoned this point and made it a big priority. You wouldn't have had to out yourself, and the priest who should be reading the fucking thread would understand - Sinani is innocent because the Coroner never spoke out again him.

Your actions just don't add up for an actual Coroner or Town aligned player that would be thinking for more than 2 minutes. I don't believe you could actually be this stupid (well, maybe) so I'm calling your claim bullshit.



Varpulis has been killed (lynch).
sinani206 has been killed (lynch).
Drazerk has been killed.
Jackal58 has been killed.
Snkowman has been killed.


Of the people you checked, 2 died by lynch which above all else are Town influenced lynches. 3 people died by Night Kill which above all else are almost certainly Scum influenced.

But you checked the people that were lynched.

Bullshit.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
September 04 2011 00:24 GMT
#465
lol...
im a back up coroner, i have 2 checks, and i can use them both at any time. thats it.


why did i check the lynches????
because i'm fairly sure no townies shot last night, so all i would be checking is town players, whereas the lynched players have a sense of uncertainty to them, while im fairly sure all night deaths were town.

why did i reveal my checks???
because i only have 2 and used them both.

Do you really need to know their roles ace? all that seems like is role fishing,

revive sinani.

i feel like i've answered your questions, don't you think the regular coroner would have counterclaimed me???

i go back to vt if the coroner returns to life.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
September 04 2011 00:27 GMT
#466
also you don't know how many checks the coroner has, it could have infinite.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 04 2011 00:30 GMT
#467
On September 04 2011 09:18 Ace wrote:
Good god you people are fucking stupid.

Why are you asking everyone for their Town and Scum reads? Think past your ass for 5 minutes here. It's a no flip game, no information roles except ONE is revealed in the OP, and you aren't sure of the Mafia count.

What the fuck is anyone's Town reads going to accomplish right now but to clutter the thread and lead to bullshit? Secondly telling everyone your town reads opens up to Scum manipulation. Your votes can't criss cross your Town reads or you'll be called out by any decent Scum reading the thread. You shouldn't give your Town reads early because the Mafia can see what players don't have strong support, leading to the easy sheepish behavior by the Town to lynch the person with the least friends.

Stop doing it.

Stop talking about "Town tells, Scum tells, and Null tells". Not one of you have a fucking clue how to use them. Makes my heard hurt reading posts by some moron trying to fit a square peg in a round hole while he has monkey shit on his face.

Stop talking about the balance of the Scum team. You don't know how iGrok chose to pick teams, and even f you got an inkling it's not going to get you very far. Likewise, stop trying to say "if this guy is Scum the this one has to be". Are you dumb? We dont have any flips yet, and get them one at a time. You've got to be retarded to speculate on something that even in normal setups takes some voting wagons and post analysis to figure out.

Now on to some real scum hunting since I left you jubjubs alone and see that you still suck like shit. Amazingly the ability to read and reason hasn't improved in 2 months. redFF's claim is probable. but not likely. I'm going to do this in TWO ways. Just follow sit back and take a seat, and dont drool on my chair.

The main issue with redFF's claim is this:

Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 10:32 redFF wrote:
im secret coroners apprentice, checked varp and sinani both town ressurect sinani plz.


Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 10:32 redFF wrote:
i become coroner if coroner dies


Show nested quote +
On September 04 2011 07:05 redFF wrote:
im secret coroners apprentice, i can check twice a day.


Show nested quote +
On September 04 2011 07:29 redFF wrote:
i got both alignment and roles, revive sinani over varp.

i dont have any checks left tho, since im just a reserve coroner, not a full blown one.


Back up roles never work like this, and this would be borderline criminal. First of all backup roles aren't used much because it penalizes the Scum team for performing well. The only instance of backup roles I ever see is when the Town success hinges on that one role. It is possible that there is a backup Coroner in the setup. But the backup role is always an exact copy of the original role - never more powerful.

Check it out:

Show nested quote +



Coroner
Can look at a corpse and determine alignment and role. May be used any time, and will instantly return the information (as soon as I get the pm).


How is it that the back up Coroner can check 2 people while the original can only check one? This doesn't seem right.

Secondly if you really are the backup Coroner tell us both people you checked out, the alignments and the roles. You haven't exactly revealed this information easily and this is a major reason why I don't believe you. Even assuming there is an imbalanced backup Coroner role like you said, this would mean you aren't actually thinking about how the game works. Check it:

Show nested quote +
Resurrected Players will live until they are killed again.


If you revealed the roles, at worst you'd let them be able to use their powers and get killed again. However, you just outed your own self as the back up Coroner. Just thinking things through for more than 10 seconds after seeing THREE people die wouldn't it make sense for you to show some restraint? Thats exactly why I posted this earlier:

Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 09:42 Ace wrote:
Coroner, I know you have a pretty tricky job to do but I'm going to help you out. Since you can't communicate with me I'll just give you a name:

Check the corpse of Sinani. If you dont say anything once the corpse is checked, I will take your silence as confirmation of Sinani's innocence. That way the priest can revive him knowing he is town aligned.

Otherwise take the chance and speak out if you find Sinani to be Scum.


You could have just bandwagoned this point and made it a big priority. You wouldn't have had to out yourself, and the priest who should be reading the fucking thread would understand - Sinani is innocent because the Coroner never spoke out again him.

Your actions just don't add up for an actual Coroner or Town aligned player that would be thinking for more than 2 minutes. I don't believe you could actually be this stupid (well, maybe) so I'm calling your claim bullshit.

Show nested quote +


Varpulis has been killed (lynch).
sinani206 has been killed (lynch).
Drazerk has been killed.
Jackal58 has been killed.
Snkowman has been killed.


Of the people you checked, 2 died by lynch which above all else are Town influenced lynches. 3 people died by Night Kill which above all else are almost certainly Scum influenced.

But you checked the people that were lynched.

Bullshit.


LOL fucking finally.

God it's difficult to fish shit out of you, Ace. I guess I should keep posting about mafiatells/nulltells/towntells of you and you'll actually come out of the woodwork. Or wherever the hell you're hiding.


On September 04 2011 09:24 redFF wrote:
lol...
im a back up coroner, i have 2 checks, and i can use them both at any time. thats it.


On September 04 2011 07:05 redFF wrote:
im secret coroners apprentice, i can check twice a day.


wat

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 04 2011 00:30 GMT
#468
How many bodies can the coroner check per day?
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
September 04 2011 00:30 GMT
#469
...yes?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 04 2011 00:31 GMT
#470
On September 04 2011 09:30 redFF wrote:
...yes?


You first said you have two checks per day.

Then you said you have only two checks.

Which one is it?
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
September 04 2011 00:31 GMT
#471
If you are sure no Townies shot last night, then the 3 dead players were all killed by Scum. Hence, you'd check them to confirm them being Town like you said. Lets keep the logic train going here.

The only reason you'd check Sinani or Varp is to see if they were Scum lynched by the Town. Right? That means you'd speak out if you found them to be Scum.

But you found Sinani to be Town. Why would you speak out on this when I already showed a way to not reveal yourself. You said it yourself - the real Coroner died. You just saw 3 people get capped. Why reveal yourself?

It doesn't add up on both accounts. I dont believe you are this stupid. You would have to know you are going to be killed if this holds, ending the game for the Town. You'd die, and even if Sinani is Coroner he'd die immediately. Between the 2 of you, you would only get off 3 checks by Day 3. Game over.

I can't take your claim seriously. The real Coroner would not Counter Claim in this situation because it's not LYLO so it would be dumb. A Real Cop doesn't CC Scum claiming Cop unless the Town is seriously buying it and will lynch a Townie. No one is getting lynched over your claim so the Coroner has no reason to Counter Claim. Or he's dead.

Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
September 04 2011 00:31 GMT
#472
i assume coroner has more checks than me, but can probably also use two a day.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
September 04 2011 00:34 GMT
#473
On September 04 2011 09:31 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2011 09:30 redFF wrote:
...yes?


You first said you have two checks per day.

Then you said you have only two checks.

Which one is it?

2 checks i can use both during a day. i was trying to reveal as little as possible but then i decided full disclosure was best option.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 04 2011 00:36 GMT
#474
On September 04 2011 09:31 Ace wrote:
I can't take your claim seriously. The real Coroner would not Counter Claim in this situation because it's not LYLO so it would be dumb. A Real Cop doesn't CC Scum claiming Cop unless the Town is seriously buying it and will lynch a Townie. No one is getting lynched over your claim so the Coroner has no reason to Counter Claim. Or he's dead.


The circular reasoning this creates should suggest to you that we should keep this guy alive for now.

Bum and ON are definitely more scummy. Bum avoided lynch, has not really contributed anything, and sandroba claimed RB (when he was one of the players who voted bum).

ON threw his vote on Kenpachi and then purposely left it there while he was STILL AROUND at the end of the day. Now again he's still pursuing Kenpachi when it's clear he's definitely not going to get lynched today.

There's too much weird shit going on with red thanks to his shitty play that I'd rather leave him alive at least till tomorrow. With ON and Bum hopefully out of action tomorrow we can lynch red and someone else.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
September 04 2011 00:37 GMT
#475
and yes ace that was the original intention to see they were scum because i figured just checking the nightkilled players would be less useful then checking the lynches. i claimed when i found they were town to get sinani resurrected, i really don't think your post telling coroner to stay silent if they found sinani town would have worked esp as coroner died.

you yourself said that they probably wouldnt be a backup coroner, so if coroner died you know they would stay silent and sinani would probably be resurrected. Did you take a dead coroner into account when you made your post?
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
September 04 2011 00:38 GMT
#476
On September 04 2011 09:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2011 09:31 Ace wrote:
I can't take your claim seriously. The real Coroner would not Counter Claim in this situation because it's not LYLO so it would be dumb. A Real Cop doesn't CC Scum claiming Cop unless the Town is seriously buying it and will lynch a Townie. No one is getting lynched over your claim so the Coroner has no reason to Counter Claim. Or he's dead.


The circular reasoning this creates should suggest to you that we should keep this guy alive for now.

Bum and ON are definitely more scummy. Bum avoided lynch, has not really contributed anything, and sandroba claimed RB (when he was one of the players who voted bum).

ON threw his vote on Kenpachi and then purposely left it there while he was STILL AROUND at the end of the day. Now again he's still pursuing Kenpachi when it's clear he's definitely not going to get lynched today.

There's too much weird shit going on with red thanks to his shitty play that I'd rather leave him alive at least till tomorrow. With ON and Bum hopefully out of action tomorrow we can lynch red and someone else.

meh shitty play doesn't get my 2 top scum suspects lynched day 1 while non of yours do, but keep standing at the sidelines and calling everybody terrible while you continually can't get anybody you want lynched.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
September 04 2011 00:39 GMT
#477
On September 04 2011 09:31 Ace wrote:
If you are sure no Townies shot last night, then the 3 dead players were all killed by Scum. Hence, you'd check them to confirm them being Town like you said. Lets keep the logic train going here.

The only reason you'd check Sinani or Varp is to see if they were Scum lynched by the Town. Right? That means you'd speak out if you found them to be Scum.

But you found Sinani to be Town. Why would you speak out on this when I already showed a way to not reveal yourself. You said it yourself - the real Coroner died. You just saw 3 people get capped. Why reveal yourself?

It doesn't add up on both accounts. I dont believe you are this stupid. You would have to know you are going to be killed if this holds, ending the game for the Town. You'd die, and even if Sinani is Coroner he'd die immediately. Between the 2 of you, you would only get off 3 checks by Day 3. Game over.

I can't take your claim seriously. The real Coroner would not Counter Claim in this situation because it's not LYLO so it would be dumb. A Real Cop doesn't CC Scum claiming Cop unless the Town is seriously buying it and will lynch a Townie. No one is getting lynched over your claim so the Coroner has no reason to Counter Claim. Or he's dead.



Was about to post this. I'm glad I'm not the only one who found his claim bullshit.

@red: Why would you check the lynches? We knew they were both town. Otherwise the mafia kp would have been reduced. The 3 night kills do not guarantee at all that the mafia only killed town. These players can be resurrected, and thus killing one of their own would make the town unsure of the dead players' alignments.
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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 04 2011 00:39 GMT
#478
On September 04 2011 09:38 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2011 09:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
On September 04 2011 09:31 Ace wrote:
I can't take your claim seriously. The real Coroner would not Counter Claim in this situation because it's not LYLO so it would be dumb. A Real Cop doesn't CC Scum claiming Cop unless the Town is seriously buying it and will lynch a Townie. No one is getting lynched over your claim so the Coroner has no reason to Counter Claim. Or he's dead.


The circular reasoning this creates should suggest to you that we should keep this guy alive for now.

Bum and ON are definitely more scummy. Bum avoided lynch, has not really contributed anything, and sandroba claimed RB (when he was one of the players who voted bum).

ON threw his vote on Kenpachi and then purposely left it there while he was STILL AROUND at the end of the day. Now again he's still pursuing Kenpachi when it's clear he's definitely not going to get lynched today.

There's too much weird shit going on with red thanks to his shitty play that I'd rather leave him alive at least till tomorrow. With ON and Bum hopefully out of action tomorrow we can lynch red and someone else.

meh shitty play doesn't get my 2 top scum suspects lynched day 1 while non of yours do, but keep standing at the sidelines and calling everybody terrible while you continually can't get anybody you want lynched.


Actually, you are playing horribly. If you actually read some of the stuff you post you'd know what I'm talking about.

Your top two scum suspects got lynched because they got bandwagonned, i.e the rest of the town was as dumb or dumber than you were yesterday.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 04 2011 00:41 GMT
#479
Plus, we're talking about the DEAD CORONER that you got lynched. Just think about that.

Either your claim is true and you played badly yesterday and are responsible for sinani's lynch, or your claim is fake. Just own up to it.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
September 04 2011 00:42 GMT
#480
you only get lynched as town if your bad, not your attacker's fault you played scummy. meh ima go now, i've said everything ive needed to say.

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