Resurrection Mafia - Page 26

Coroner
Can look at a corpse and determine alignment and role. May be used any time, and will instantly return the information (as soon as I get the pm).

On September 04 2011 11:29 Ace wrote:
There is no point talking about bum or ON when we have a situation that is more substantial. Bum or ON could be scum, but at this point it's more likely redFF is scum. Stop dealing with shit that holds no weight at the moment.

igrok didn't confirm or deny anything because it would be silly. It's in the fucking OP



He said some roles are INCOMPLETE. Not that they act differently from whats stated in the OP. The Coroner role states it can check A corpse, not 2. This isn't an incomplete role description. Having 2 checks while stating it has 1 is bastard modding.

On September 04 2011 11:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
If red only has two checks, and he used both of them, I can see why he might want to claim, because he knows that, even alive, he isn't much use.

On September 03 2011 06:47 sandroba wrote:
Let's not lynch sinani, he is scummy despite alignment and I don't see anything that jumps scum in his posts so far. Let's lynch Bum and ON gogogo consolidate fast.

On September 03 2011 07:01 sandroba wrote:

What the fuck is what I say to you. Why are you voting varpulis? Are you even trying to find scum in this thread or do you only care about not being lynched?
RedFF your meta argument is shit and too shallow. Explain to me how varpulis is scum in a coherent way and stop spamming he is scum in every single post you make.

On September 03 2011 07:53 sandroba wrote:
The very good analysis you are refering to is basically redFF saying one of the first posts on the thread is non contributory and appearing to be pro-town. He pointed out that he did so as scum in a previous game, in which he got lynched day 1 for it. If you are judging only meta from his very first post, do you really think he would do the same shit again? Or do you think it's more likely that despite the risk of getting lynched he was legimately concerned about spamming/lurking/trolling going on in the recent tl games?

On September 03 2011 22:56 sandroba wrote:
redFF you are most likely town because now that I think about it there is no way you could know that the coroner is dead and you would risk being insta counter claimed by the real coroner and thus get lynched if you were mafia. That being said please don't make the same mistake again spamming the thread and getting a townie killed. Read wbg defense. Unless he is the master of deceit, he is very unlikely to be mafia. Please put your vote somewhere more productive.

On September 03 2011 07:58 sandroba wrote:

Are you really this blind? If a roleblocker blocks one of the voters and the votes are this close they pretty much get to choose who doesn't get lynched.

On September 03 2011 09:53 sandroba wrote:
Ace do you think it's possible there is more than 3 mafia? or that mafia has more than 1 extra kp, assuming the 3rd came from them? From a balance stand point we are likely facing 3 mafia, so that means we 100% missed both lynches since the kp did not get reduced. There is no point checking into the lynches, since they are most likely town either way, so maybe check into the nks?

I have a pretty good explanation why mafia used the minion shot so early. Bum is the minion. Despite roleblocking me they couldn't be 100% he would've survived because of pious shenanigans. So they decided not to risk losing kp and used it day1. There you go.

On September 04 2011 11:43 wherebugsgo wrote:


If this was explicitly stated in the OP, the answer to my question, as I asked it, would have been one. There's no reason for iGrok to say that roles are incomplete if my question was phrased like this:



If the full role description was

Coroner
Can look at a corpse and determine alignment and role. May be used any time, and will instantly return the information (as soon as I get the pm). You have a maximum of five checks and they may be used at any time

Then certainly what redFF has claimed would be believable. If the role is not complete then what CAN we expect? It's dumb to think that we know everything about what a coroner can do when we're just speculating.

I like how you say I'm dealing with shit that holds no weight at the moment when you are arguably doing it as much as I am.

I even pointed out to you why I'd prefer a bum/ON lynch over a redFF lynch. In fact, I'll change my vote from ON to bum right now, since I really don't want us to be stuck on 2 votes on a whole bunch of people.

##unvote
##vote bumatlarge

Just think about it. There's only two situations that could've happened that would have caused bum to escape lynch.

Of varp, sinani, and bum, bum achieved 3 voters first. I don't remember which one of sinani or varp got 3 votes first (it doesn't matter, since bum achieved 3 before either of them) but let's say it was varp.

Situation 1: All votes normal, no one gets roleblocked. Bum and varp die by virtue of achieving 3 first.

Situation 2: All votes on bum and varp normal. Pious on sinani, no roleblock. Sinani dies with plurality, bum dies thanks to getting 3 before varp.

Situation 3: Same as 2, replace varp with sinani and vice versa. Varp dies, bum dies.

Situation 4: Some voter on bum gets roleblocked. Sinani and varp die.

Situation 5: Pious voters on BOTH varp and sinani. Sinani and varp die.

Again, I repeat, the ONLY situation in which bum would've gone untouched by the lynch is if he somehow got uber lucky and pious voters hit both varp and sinani. Otherwise there has to be a roleblock. I excluded the situations in which a pious voter hits bum for obvious reasons. 1-3 are not possible, that didn't happen. Only 4 and 5 matter.

On September 04 2011 12:20 bumatlarge wrote:
Varp had 4 votes. Please open your eyes. .

On September 04 2011 12:25 wherebugsgo wrote:


Shit you're right, I just went back and noticed chaos's vote.

-_-

On September 04 2011 12:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
Although, I might add that if redFF is indeed mafia it seems rather weird that this bandwagon formed on him so fast.

On September 04 2011 12:37 redFF wrote:
k bumatlarge is mafia


##Unvote
##Vote bumatlarge

this is annoying because really my claim makes sense, all the people that died at night are likely town, the lynches are the alignments that are less obvious and more important to know, since im reserve coroner, of course i will claim after i use my checks because once i do im back to being a vt. revive sinani please even if you do decide to lynch me. everything i've done has made sense.

On September 04 2011 12:39 redFF wrote:
ace/bum/originalname scumteam. jvcarlson is just new and doesnt know whats up. notice how ace's ONLY contribution is starting a bandwagon on me in an attempt to shift votes off of bum and ON. gg scum, gg.

On September 04 2011 12:12 bumatlarge wrote:
I think I've got this game figured out, I've read into the thread alot and it's a bit of a puzzle with some missing pieces, but the main elements are there.

Sinani, redff and Sandroba are scum
-redff or sandroba has a role that let's them know a coroner died or that there are none left alive
-in exchange, there is no roleblocker in the game.
-this alone let's mafia safely fakeclaim, and accuse someone heavily based on one of the members being blocked.

I do not believe that they intended to do this right after seeing the day 1 results, but seeing sinani lynched instead of me, I think they realized that a pious man had voted on sinani and screwed them over. Sandroba claimed a roleblock to keep me as the lynch for this day, and redff claimed coroner's apprentice to try to persuade the HP to bring back sinani, rather then just zombifying him. HP, DO NOT BRING BACK SINANI. Bring back any other person from that day, preferably a mafia kill. I can back up all this based on these three players behavior.

3 kills went out last night, and as far as I can tell, we don't have non-day vigis. That kills were all low activity posters, and I am fairly certain they were all town.

Jackal
He put his vote on chaos13 and afk'd apparently, I'm not sure about chaos, but he has reasoning similar to my own, so I don't think this is a heavy link but we'll keep chaos' name in case it pops up.

Sknowman
Again, very lurkerish, but he put his vote on jcarl, for a single post, then kept it there, even at the end. Just like chaos, I'll keep his name in mind.

Drazerk
Voted sinani.

Why kill these people? I'll tell you, they have little influence upon being resurrected. The deapool to pick from here is extremely limited if you go on just there play in this game. Mafia wants to limit the good choices and leave the priest picking at scraps while the living players are more active and therefore uncheckable. But oh look, to ease the HP's troubled mind, redff comes soaring in and claims he checked TWO people (I have absolutely zero fucking idea why), and you should bring back sinani of the two. I believed him, because the claim was outrageous, a coroner could counterclaim him, and I thought he was inferring that sinani was a blue role of some sort.

But Bum, you are probably scum because sandroba said he was RB'd which means you're scum! Which transistions nicely into our next segment...

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Sandroba
I didn't really have too many qualms about this dude, until just before the first day ended, he seemed to be hell bent on finding scum and I was content to take his criticisms on how I start my days with a cup of folgers, and how he would rather prance around when I had few reads aside from varpulis and kenpachi. Until this post.



Wow. Late into the day he wants to have a switch from a scummy person onto me with an absurd reason.

Needless to say that struck a wrong chord. I told him what the fuck and voted varpulis, my own effort in consolidating votes, because like hell was I going to get lynched instead of varpulis.



Sandroba has never voted redff, despite him GUNNING for me when redff have had very similar actions. Sandroba is defending everything redff does, yet even when he sees errors, he ignores them. Sandroba has never considered redff to be scum this entire game.




That and calling the sinani lynch bad, it makes it pretty clear that sandroba knows something in this game that the rest of us don't. He has persisted in calling any speculation I gave about the set-up anti-town, because he doesn't want us to talk about it. Please don't sheep behind this guy.



Oh what? The now the roleblocker comes into play here! It's funny that Jcarl brings up the "more information" tidbit, and you immediately hint that you do indeed have more information. Right here you are GUARANTEEING that scum has a roleblocker, without assessing that perhaps whoever does get saved from a vote will have alot of suspicion thrown upon them? Funny how that doesn't get mentioned when you are trying to push the lynch, but after it's 100% evidence.




Case in point. Sinani was the minion most likely. Perhaps they don't even have a necromancer either? Also, sandroba confirms we have a pious who voted sinani.

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I still find it hard to believe that everything redff has done is intentional. Claiming the apprentice is one thing but then saying he gets two checks seems EXTREMELY odd. I don't understand why he didn't just say sandroba was town, or even that varpulis was scum. His posts don't give me much so until someone else finds anything, I'll keep him secondary to sandroba in my list. Sinani was very self explanatory, and redff did not keep his vote on him when it mattered. redFF needs to be gotten rid of tonight. I highly doubt town will be able to not lynch me, because of what sandroba said, but I'm confident that we can win when two scum are dead. Once we get rid of sandroba, I can guarentee the game will be over.

##Unvote
##Vote redff

On September 04 2011 12:53 redFF wrote:
i'd prefer not to tell the whole thread sinani's role but i think it's fairly obvious considering everything that i have said up to this point. as to the whole roleblocker minion wifom thing i have no need to think about or try to reason with that because its all wifom/pointless trying to explain night kills/where kp comes from when the important thing in this game is scumhunting.

On September 04 2011 13:27 jcarlsoniv wrote:
The only downside to your story is that if sinani was scum, the mafia kp would have been reduced before the night kills went out, so only 2 should have died at night...