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sandroba
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wherebugsgo
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On September 04 2011 13:27 jcarlsoniv wrote: The only downside to your story is that if sinani was scum, the mafia kp would have been reduced before the night kills went out, so only 2 should have died at night... LOL that is definitely not the only downside to his story. Read that post properly and it seems like the whole "analysis" is fabricated. Just read it from a town and mafia perspective. Do you not see what he is trying to accomplish? If bum dies, he can get necroed by the mafia team. Since the mafia team always has at least one necro, we can kill bum today but we'll have to kill Ace/ON tomorrow and then kill bum again the next day, and then lynch whichever one of ON/Ace he decides to revive that last day. If we kill both bum and ON today we only have to worry about lynching one of them tomorrow (Ace). That other lynch can go to whoever else we find scummy tomorrow to cover our bases, in case there are 4 mafia or somehow one of these guys miraculously is not mafia. | ||
Varpulis
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On September 04 2011 22:17 wherebugsgo wrote: joncarl whatever the hell his name is. joncarlsoniv. I memorized the name at the beginning, because i care. (I'm still dead, don't worry) | ||
wherebugsgo
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On September 04 2011 22:23 sandroba wrote: JC is not new btw, he is way more experienced than I am. Oh well he gives off massive airs of noobiness. | ||
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On September 04 2011 15:48 iGrok wrote: Yes. Order is Blocking Effects, Lynches, Killing effects, Other effects. This point is the strongest in establishing that the current mafia count is 3/4. In fact, I think it suggests there are only 3 mafia. Let's not assume that, but 1 minion/1RB/1 necro is a good balance for mafia. Knowing this, if we kill bum/ON today and Ace tomorrow, we can actually keep mafia KP at only one for a pretty decent amount of time. | ||
sandroba
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On September 04 2011 22:36 wherebugsgo wrote: This point is the strongest in establishing that the current mafia count is 3/4. In fact, I think it suggests there are only 3 mafia. Let's not assume that, but 1 minion/1RB/1 necro is a good balance for mafia. Knowing this, if we kill bum/ON today and Ace tomorrow, we can actually keep mafia KP at only one for a pretty decent amount of time. Read my previous post on the setup. We can safely assume 3 mafia. | ||
wherebugsgo
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On September 03 2011 09:53 sandroba wrote: Ace do you think it's possible there is more than 3 mafia? or that mafia has more than 1 extra kp, assuming the 3rd came from them? From a balance stand point we are likely facing 3 mafia, so that means we 100% missed both lynches since the kp did not get reduced. There is no point checking into the lynches, since they are most likely town either way, so maybe check into the nks? I have a pretty good explanation why mafia used the minion shot so early. Bum is the minion. Despite roleblocking me they couldn't be 100% he would've survived because of pious shenanigans. So they decided not to risk losing kp and used it day1. There you go. This one, sandroba? Also town needs to concentrate votes on ON/bum. I'll keep saying it till you guys do it. Filter myself and sandroba if you need arguments for voting ON/bum, filter Ace, ON, and bum to see why they are scummy. | ||
sandroba
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On September 04 2011 22:20 sandroba wrote: Another point is that if we had a cc we could simply lynch both and get 1 mafia lynched 100% of the time, which is a good deal. Now let's look at this setup. The whole point is ressurection and no flips. Both necro and priest can only perform their actions and be relevant by day3. It makes a lot of fucking sense to make sure the game goes for that long, thus mafia number is almost certainly 3 because we could be at lylo right now if it was anything more. Another point is that it's possible and likely to have the necro/coroner/priest dead by that point. What's the solution if we want to preserve the theme of the setup? You make the necro a pass over role like it's pointed in the OP. You make back-up roles for coroner and priest so they have a chance to act. That's what makes sense. No insult to redFF, but I don't think he has done this kind of analysis before hand and thus concluded this is a plausible claim as mafia and then risked the coroner being alive before claiming. NO. He did not. He is indeed the back-up coroner and if you lynch him you are dumb or scum. This. | ||
redFF
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also wherebugsgo i'm fairly certain this is only your second game so you can't exactly go round calling me newbie, but jimmycarson has to take his vote off me or fear the derp. | ||
redFF
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On September 05 2011 00:09 redFF wrote: yeah sand came to the conclusion i did 3 pages ago =D also wherebugsgo i'm fairly certain this is only your second game so you can't exactly go round calling jimmycarson newbie, but jimmycarson has to take his vote off me or fear the derp. | ||
wherebugsgo
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Ace. | ||
redFF
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sandroba
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wherebugsgo
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Neener neener ace whatcha gonna do when we come for youuuu BTW where is Palmar? Palmar when you read this I want your opinions on ON/bum/Ace. I know you think chaos is mafia but judging from the way chaos posts large analyses (that ultimately are usually cherrypicked/wrong, from the analysis I've seen him put up in XLIV, here, and in cosmic) he's probably town. | ||
jcarlsoniv
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I still find red's claim odd, but the more I think about it, the more ace's scenario just doesn't sit right with me. In a game of no-flip, it seems highly plausible that there would be a back up coroner. Otherwise, if the coroner gets sniped first day, we're nearly completely fucked. I'll acknowledge that I haven't been playing very well. I'm not new to mafia, just rusty, and new to no-flip. I'm not used to not learning anything definitive from a lynch. I'm going to switch my vote to ON. I don't like how he had a useless vote day 1 despite being there for the day switch. He has been lurking a lot, even when addressed directly. @WBG, when I said the only downside to bum's story was that sinani was pretty much guaranteed town, I meant that since his entire theory was based off that, the rest couldn't be true. ##unvote ##vote OriginalName | ||
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Palmar
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On September 05 2011 00:35 wherebugsgo wrote: A noob mafia :D Neener neener ace whatcha gonna do when we come for youuuu BTW where is Palmar? Palmar when you read this I want your opinions on ON/bum/Ace. I know you think chaos is mafia but judging from the way chaos posts large analyses (that ultimately are usually cherrypicked/wrong, from the analysis I've seen him put up in XLIV, here, and in cosmic) he's probably town. pretty busy today, can write up stuff tomorrow. two games in a row I have concluded that chaos13's reads cannot possibly be this bad, and thus he must be mafia, but two games in a row he has proven me wrong, once again I'm basing my read on him on the fact that I just don't agree with his reads. Ace hasn't written anything, thus his alignment can't be determined yet. I think he's just being an asshole and not scum, but with so little to go on, the error margin is big. Bum/On are my two primary targets for lynching today, only problem is that this setup sucks, so if we stick 4 on one, and 3 on the other, the mafia can stick 3 on the third and voteblock one of the three voting for bum/on, and thus guarantee a town kill, then they just reanimate someone as zombie and kill two more townies. I haven't really done the math, but I can't see a way to actually win this thing. I'm fine with lynching bum and on, let's do it. I'd be fine with day-vigging one of them and lynching chaos or ace. | ||
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