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On September 02 2011 04:17 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 12:46 Ace wrote:
Everyone is trying to look pro-town. It prevents you from getting thought of as lynch bait.
I'm not refuting the possibility of scummy behavior. I'm pointing out that something as inane as "he's trying to look pro-town" isn't going to help us find Scum. Town sided players also tend to look pro-town at times too you know? This is what I'm refering to. If a guy is being useless and making blend in posts when there is actually something else to talk about, that is indeed suspicious. But whatever varpulis posted 1 hour into the game to try to get discussion going when there was nothing to talk about says nothing about his aligment. I'll much rather not waste a day discussing him right now. What do you guys say about the 3 top suspects idea. I'd like to see comments on that. Also bum your easy vote on varpulis was lol. Care to give me your reasoning behind your vote?
Well, for a top 3 suspects thing to work, we would need to actually be able to decide on 3 suspects. People, however, don't seem too keen on the one suspect we have. So what do you suggest? Picking people at random off the list? Fine I can do that.
How bout...
SKnowman
Kenpachi
sinani206
But the thing is, I just picked people. If we want to be able to pick suspects, we can't have people shutting down our proposals without having different people offered instead. So far, we've gotten pretty much nowhere.
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On September 02 2011 02:32 Varpulis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 00:53 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 01 2011 21:43 bumatlarge wrote:
Ill talk about wherebugsgo later today. Let's say I'd make him out to be similar to sandroba in terms of intelligence Oh herro framer  On that subject (sort of) we don't get the role information from our lynches, correct? Even from the second lynch? So then how do we find out if we struck red? We don't? These are WBG's only 2 posts in game, barring a question to the host. I know you can do better than this. Step it up and contribute.
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On September 02 2011 03:53 sandroba wrote:
Okay, I've read the thread now and it's shit. Let's not lynch varpulis now because it's dumb. Everyone is jumping on this silly bandwagon without any evidence at all. Omg he posted a "useless" post when there was nothing to talk about yet, he must be scum trolololol. Read what Ace said, he knows his shit.
No sense in posting responding to every and each single post of this thread, collect your thoughts and post them all toghether neatly.
@redFF why do you think ON is town? He has a 2 posts that don't say much.
It's funny you say that because him and bum are on the top of my watch list right now.
I was just giving reads, mainly gut. his reaction to my post on varp seemed more genuine and towny than varp's or ace's.
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Ace's Journal: Day 1 Entry 1
Behold! A new day! I've just gotten off the ship from the rich town of Senseville and landed in Liquidia. I heard there are endless opportunities for success around here, at least according to the tour guide. However, I've heard some rumors that there are some rather unsavory characters around here. Apparently some fellows think they are above the law, how terrible! I hope the commoners and the police find these bad people and deal with them. If I didn't have business to attend to I'd deal with them myself!
This is just my first entry but I'm sure it won't be my last! Time to see what exciting new things are out there, au revoir!
P.S. - there is a slight lingering smell of something like cheese around here. What is that?
~End~
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On September 02 2011 06:14 Ace wrote:Ace's Journal: Day 1 Entry 1 Behold! A new day! I've just gotten off the ship from the rich town of Senseville and landed in Liquidia. I heard there are endless opportunities for success around here, at least according to the tour guide. However, I've heard some rumors that there are some rather unsavory characters around here. Apparently some fellows think they are above the law, how terrible! I hope the commoners and the police find these bad people and deal with them. If I didn't have business to attend to I'd deal with them myself! This is just my first entry but I'm sure it won't be my last! Time to see what exciting new things are out there, au revoir! P.S. - there is a slight lingering smell of something like cheese around here. What is that? ~End~
I believe it is emanating from this post I quoted.
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@jcarlsoniv that's about the safest random list I can possibly think of. Seems like you are trying not to step on any dangerous toes here. The point is not to give a random list but to compose a top 3 list based on the activity so far. But first I need to know something because there is a possibility this can get fucked with.
Does the vote roleblocking mechanic goes into effect for the current day or the next?
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holy fuck curu when did your postcount get so big :O
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I spam a lot in Mafia games apparently. I was at like...200 or something when I started, so ~1600 posts between WaW2, AA, XLIII, Werewolves, PTP2, Personality, and XLIV.
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Then fuck. Forget about 3 suspects, we have to focus on only 2 then, because mafia can lynch whoever they want if the votes are close and they have a rb'er.
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erm its a double lynch every day.
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He was saying that we should get 3 candidates, and pile up votes on all three. The problem he correctly saw with that idea is that, if we have 3 candidates with roughly equal numbers of votes, a mafia roleblocker can take votes off one of the two that are about to get lynched so that the third person gets lynched instead, potentially killing two townies or 1 town/1 mafia instead of 1 town/1 mafia or 2 mafia, respectively.
Make sense?
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yes but wont it be rather obvious if one person gets saved/doesnt get lynched lol.
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Yes. For this reason I think we should put equal votes on 3 players, but that's really unlikely to happen; I don't think the town is able to coordinate to that extent (prove me wrong, bitches)
The only thing that can screw with us is pious voters. However, we can make this happen. I also think it's worth it to focus on 3 targets at once and then get them all to 4-5 votes so that the likelihood of us hanging a mafia on day 1 are higher. We can't guarantee a mafia lynch, but we can definitely increase our odds.
The downside to this is that if we pick 3 town to lynch, the roleblocker can fuck with us by roleblocking a vote on the "scummiest" player. The next day we might fall into a trap of lynching that guy just because he escaped the lynch.
I say let's do it, but just be really careful about the types of conclusions we draw from it.
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sandroba has shown his face.
Don't know what to think yet, but meh.
I'm fine with killing Varpulis and ON at this point. Can do Varp/Bum too.
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On September 02 2011 08:08 wherebugsgo wrote:
Yes. For this reason I think we should put equal votes on 3 players, but that's really unlikely to happen; I don't think the town is able to coordinate to that extent (prove me wrong, bitches)
The only thing that can screw with us is pious voters. However, we can make this happen. I also think it's worth it to focus on 3 targets at once and then get them all to 4-5 votes so that the likelihood of us hanging a mafia on day 1 are higher. We can't guarantee a mafia lynch, but we can definitely increase our odds.
The downside to this is that if we pick 3 town to lynch, the roleblocker can fuck with us by roleblocking a vote on the "scummiest" player. The next day we might fall into a trap of lynching that guy just because he escaped the lynch.
I say let's do it, but just be really careful about the types of conclusions we draw from it.
Ooooooook I understand now. At first I was very confused about the plan. But now it doesn't seem like a terrible idea. We definitely have to be very careful about it before and after though.
Which means we need 3 focus targets. I think at this point Varp, sinani, and Kenpachi would be my 3, although nothing definitive.
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@wbg nah, the rb mechanic + no flips will generate a huge amount of misinformation if we do that.
Palmar what is your reasoning on varpulis? Care to point out why he is scummy, I only see people pushing this wagon nitpicking on every single post he makes. Show me some actual evidence.
I tried doing a little reaserch on jcarl and couldn't find a single game he is scum. Care to point me to one if it actually exists JC? The reason I went through all this trouble is because in his previous post, despite not seeing any point to my sugestion, he still behaves nicely and obliges. From what I've read from the previous games he played as town his ideas regarding what is scummy and regarding lurkers are pretty much the same, but I'd like to see a game he played as scum to draw further conclusions.
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On September 01 2011 22:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 17:54 Kenpachi wrote:ok sorry guys. i had to sleep early to wake up early but i never slept so i never woke up. Its the morning and im tired but who cares (ps. happy birthday ON, wasnt able to tell you on LoL) Im a townie and im sad because im not an awesome role that is the priest or the necromancer in an epic setup like this. le sigh my gut feeling is telling me that if varp is scum, his team doesnt consist of me I would also like a summary of these following players: Sknowman Wherebugsgo jcarlsoniv i dont know who these guys are and i would like to know if they are fellow lurkers or not.
I want to say varpulis is scummy but i have seen too many useless introductory posts that i dont know anymore. Aside from that i want to bring your attention to this: On September 01 2011 12:31 sinani206 wrote:
/confirm
Meta and policies aren't a good enough case for a lynch right now.
The subject of Varpulis was a nice way to start discussion, but there's no need to tunnel.
All of redFF's posts, however are very short and tangential, except for his analysis of Varpulis that was based entirely on meta. FoS redFF. On September 01 2011 12:36 redFF wrote:
wait why are you fosing me? Red was pretty senseless in posting this. Instead of atleast justifying or defending himself, he asks what does not need to be asked. fos redff You want a summary of 3 players after literally 2 pages of play? You can't take 10 minutes to ready through to find what we posted, but you have time to find what sinani posts and accuse Red of being scum.What Red posted is not senseless at all. Here Red is, pressuring Varp at the very start of the game, giving analysis (correct or not), getting reactions. I think it's definitely warranted for Red to ask why he's being FoSd. Tunneling works. It puts pressure on an individual, and obtains reactions from the other individuals. It exposes those who are grouping together. So far, I see: VarpulisKenpachisinanigrouped through defenses.
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On September 02 2011 08:22 sandroba wrote:
@wbg nah, the rb mechanic + no flips will generate a huge amount of misinformation if we do that.
Palmar what is your reasoning on varpulis? Care to point out why he is scummy, I only see people pushing this wagon nitpicking on every single post he makes. Show me some actual evidence.
I tried doing a little reaserch on jcarl and couldn't find a single game he is scum. Care to point me to one if it actually exists JC? The reason I went through all this trouble is because in his previous post, despite not seeing any point to my sugestion, he still behaves nicely and obliges. From what I've read from the previous games he played as town his ideas regarding what is scummy and regarding lurkers are pretty much the same, but I'd like to see a game he played as scum to draw further conclusions.
Aww that means a lot that you cared that much! ;P
As far as I can remember, I don't think I've had a game where I've been scum (aside from IRC mafia).
The reason I went through all this trouble is because in his previous post, despite not seeing any point to my sugestion, he still behaves nicely and obliges.
I am capable of being objective. I can understand multiple sides of an issue, despite my own bias. I can admit when I'm wrong.
That being said, the more I think about this focus 3 targets thing, the more uneasy I am about it. You're right that the no flip will seriously hurt us. Also, the pious could hurt or help us. Nobody has any idea who the pious is, including scum. So the scum can't roleblock the double vote reliably.
Focusing on just two will prevent the scum from roleblocking and doing a switch on us, AND it will keep the pious vote from messing with us.
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lol Palmar you're down to lynch me and practically anybody else. We get it.
Here's what I see: A shitty bandwagon that scum feel free to join, wherein anybody disagreeing is scum because I'm scum herp derp.
I'm down with lynching Kenpanchi, he's unreadable and lurks in every game he plays.
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