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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 01 2011 23:45 GMT
#201
We tried to implement a double lynch in WW Mafia with the voting mechanics in that game. It never worked. I can't see us getting our collective shit together in any way shape or form to be a cohesive entity putting forth 3 candidates. If somebody brighter than I can create a mechanic where it can work I'll entertain the notion. I simply have never seen town cooperate on that kind of level.
The scum rb mechanic is going to be in play anyways. Many times there are 3 people gathering votes. We need to constantly watch the #2 and # 3 candidates to see if they are being manipulated.
Life can only kill you once.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
September 01 2011 23:45 GMT
#202
funfact: when ever i get lynched, town loses
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
September 01 2011 23:46 GMT
#203
well when i am town i guess that applies. and i am town woo
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
September 01 2011 23:55 GMT
#204
this triple lynch candidate stuff won't work, period. It helps scum more than it hurts them because there are more choices for people to divert the lynch to, and as Jackal said, town will never cooperate well enough, even without scum trying to interfere and distract us.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
September 01 2011 23:55 GMT
#205
ebwop: and we also would waste time talking about logistics instead of discussing lynches and scumhunting.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
September 02 2011 00:01 GMT
#206
you keep talking about how we shouldnt waste time and should scumhunt but you haven't actually done any scumhunting lol. stop telling people to do stuff and just do it!

scum.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
September 02 2011 00:03 GMT
#207
##vote varpulis

pew pew
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
September 02 2011 00:13 GMT
#208
On September 02 2011 08:43 Varpulis wrote:
lol Palmar you're down to lynch me and practically anybody else. We get it.

Here's what I see: A shitty bandwagon that scum feel free to join, wherein anybody disagreeing is scum because I'm scum herp derp.

I'm down with lynching Kenpanchi, he's unreadable and lurks in every game he plays.


Wait so your saying that your being shittily bandwagoned and then immeadiatly offer us another shitty bandwagon?

No thank you, your still not helping your case here ._.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
September 02 2011 00:15 GMT
#209
On September 02 2011 08:40 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 22:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On September 01 2011 17:54 Kenpachi wrote:
ok sorry guys. i had to sleep early to wake up early but i never slept so i never woke up.
Its the morning and im tired but who cares
(ps. happy birthday ON, wasnt able to tell you on LoL)
Im a townie and im sad because im not an awesome role that is the priest or the necromancer in an epic setup like this. le sigh

my gut feeling is telling me that if varp is scum, his team doesnt consist of me

I would also like a summary of these following players:
Sknowman
Wherebugsgo
jcarlsoniv

i dont know who these guys are and i would like to know if they are fellow lurkers or not.


I want to say varpulis is scummy but i have seen too many useless introductory posts that i dont know anymore. Aside from that i want to bring your attention to this:

On September 01 2011 12:31 sinani206 wrote:
/confirm

Meta and policies aren't a good enough case for a lynch right now.
The subject of Varpulis was a nice way to start discussion, but there's no need to tunnel.

All of redFF's posts, however are very short and tangential, except for his analysis of Varpulis that was based entirely on meta. FoS redFF.


On September 01 2011 12:36 redFF wrote:
wait why are you fosing me?

Red was pretty senseless in posting this. Instead of atleast justifying or defending himself, he asks what does not need to be asked.

fos redff


You want a summary of 3 players after literally 2 pages of play? You can't take 10 minutes to ready through to find what we posted, but you have time to find what sinani posts and accuse Red of being scum.

What Red posted is not senseless at all. Here Red is, pressuring Varp at the very start of the game, giving analysis (correct or not), getting reactions. I think it's definitely warranted for Red to ask why he's being FoSd. Tunneling works. It puts pressure on an individual, and obtains reactions from the other individuals. It exposes those who are grouping together. So far, I see:

Varpulis
Kenpachi
sinani

grouped through defenses.

[image loading]


oh of course, silly me. totally convinced now...
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
September 02 2011 00:20 GMT
#210
bro, I dont recall playing with you 3 so i asked for a general gist of your gameplay from previous games
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
September 02 2011 00:43 GMT
#211
lol i love new players vs kenpachi!
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
September 02 2011 01:06 GMT
#212
On September 02 2011 09:20 Kenpachi wrote:
bro, I dont recall playing with you 3 so i asked for a general gist of your gameplay from previous games


I misunderstood what you were asking, my mistake.

But how about you actually do something productive for the town? I might be more inclined to believe you if you were actually trying to help. Every post you've made has been largely unhelpful.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
September 02 2011 01:12 GMT
#213
On September 02 2011 10:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2011 09:20 Kenpachi wrote:
bro, I dont recall playing with you 3 so i asked for a general gist of your gameplay from previous games


I misunderstood what you were asking, my mistake.

But how about you actually do something productive for the town? I might be more inclined to believe you if you were actually trying to help. Every post you've made has been largely unhelpful.


That's Kenpachi for you.

Also, who would've guessed: sandroba has a plan.
And I see no gaping issues with this plan,
except for the fact that we can't decide who the three candidates should be.

If we can actually find three people who are scummy, then we will be able to use the plan to our advantage. But is it really worth our time to agree on everyone's top three?
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
September 02 2011 01:17 GMT
#214
Nope we should just try and find scum instead of making useless contentless posts speculating on hypothetical situations.
SINANI SINCE UR HERE WHO ARE YOUR SCUMREADS.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
September 02 2011 01:27 GMT
#215
On September 02 2011 10:12 sinani206 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2011 10:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On September 02 2011 09:20 Kenpachi wrote:
bro, I dont recall playing with you 3 so i asked for a general gist of your gameplay from previous games


I misunderstood what you were asking, my mistake.

But how about you actually do something productive for the town? I might be more inclined to believe you if you were actually trying to help. Every post you've made has been largely unhelpful.


That's Kenpachi for you.

Also, who would've guessed: sandroba has a plan.
And I see no gaping issues with this plan,
except for the fact that we can't decide who the three candidates should be.

If we can actually find three people who are scummy, then we will be able to use the plan to our advantage. But is it really worth our time to agree on everyone's top three?


I like how sinani has completely disregarded the fact that I think he could be scum. Also, he ignored the fact that we already figured picking 3 candidates wouldn't work. He has contributed very little. Currently he's feeling the scummiest to me.

#vote sinani206
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
September 02 2011 02:36 GMT
#216

Holy Priest
May Resurrect 1 player from the dead per day. The Resurrected Player will not expire in the manner a zombie does.

Coroner
Can look at a corpse and determine alignment and role. May be used any time, and will instantly return the information (as soon as I get the pm).

Daywalker
Lynchproof daykiller - the kill will happen as soon as I get the pm. When a Daywalker uses his kill, he loses the lynchproof power.

Pious Man
The Pious Man's vote counts twice. You will not know if you are Pious, and your hidden vote will only be reflected in the Lynch Results.

Town-person
You are a normal person. You only go to church on Christmas and Easter.

Necromancer
May reanimate a player from the dead. Player becomes a Reanimated Zombie (Veteran in addition to previous Status). If a Necromancer dies, a new scum member becomes a Necromancer.

Inhibitor
May target any player to block their power and vote.

Minion
Has a 1-shot power: If a minion targets a player who has no powers, that player will die - regardless of protection. If that player has a power, that player will die, but will be resurrected after 1 day cycle.


We should be reading more into the role list we have. This is an extremely odd set-up where lynching and killing is not completely based around eliminating scum. In fact, basing our tactics on that is short-sighted and I mean to remedy this.

Dead players create a "pool" of suspects that a coroner can utilize. I am fairly certain we have 1 or 2 coroners, or else the game has a ridiculous set-up. In a way, the first lynch is really important, yet not as cruel with the Resurrection mechanic. We immediately lynch two players, and the coroner(s) must choose between them. I don't see how intentionally misleading roles like millers or sanity can be in this game, so I'm assuming what a coroner get's is 100%. So this is what I'm thinking, and I'm sure I haven't been the first person to speculate.

If we have an unlynchable claim, and we put a few votes on him along with someone else we deem scummy, we can economically manage our now chaotic lynching power into something very useful and organized at this point in the game. The priest and coroner can double team the other dead person and hold on to what they get. Most likely the unlynchable will get shot, and the high priest can devote his power in keeping that person alive, while the coroner can go to town, and if mafia ever stop shooting the unlynchable, we get a confirmed town.

Its extremely unlikely for mafia to have an unlynchable themselves without town having a direct counter to such shenanigans. Think about it, that one mafia member would have to be shot by the unlynchable, or he wins the game by himself. There are multiple loopholes to this plan, like perhaps a 1 lynch immune mafia that could "prove" himself, or perhaps a mafia watcher who can see who visits a dead person (goodbye priest and coroner :X)

Thoughts on this? Also varpulis wagon is hilarious, though I'm not taking my eyes off him, the fact that that many people gunned on him from the little thing I picked up without questioning everything else gives us some great partners for unlynchable if this can follow through. I mean at worst mafia figures out who they can't push a lynch on?

Can a High Priest revive the same person more then once?
Together but separate, like oatmeal
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 02 2011 02:39 GMT
#217
On September 02 2011 11:36 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +

Holy Priest
May Resurrect 1 player from the dead per day. The Resurrected Player will not expire in the manner a zombie does.

Coroner
Can look at a corpse and determine alignment and role. May be used any time, and will instantly return the information (as soon as I get the pm).

Daywalker
Lynchproof daykiller - the kill will happen as soon as I get the pm. When a Daywalker uses his kill, he loses the lynchproof power.

Pious Man
The Pious Man's vote counts twice. You will not know if you are Pious, and your hidden vote will only be reflected in the Lynch Results.

Town-person
You are a normal person. You only go to church on Christmas and Easter.

Necromancer
May reanimate a player from the dead. Player becomes a Reanimated Zombie (Veteran in addition to previous Status). If a Necromancer dies, a new scum member becomes a Necromancer.

Inhibitor
May target any player to block their power and vote.

Minion
Has a 1-shot power: If a minion targets a player who has no powers, that player will die - regardless of protection. If that player has a power, that player will die, but will be resurrected after 1 day cycle.


We should be reading more into the role list we have. This is an extremely odd set-up where lynching and killing is not completely based around eliminating scum. In fact, basing our tactics on that is short-sighted and I mean to remedy this.

Dead players create a "pool" of suspects that a coroner can utilize. I am fairly certain we have 1 or 2 coroners, or else the game has a ridiculous set-up. In a way, the first lynch is really important, yet not as cruel with the Resurrection mechanic. We immediately lynch two players, and the coroner(s) must choose between them. I don't see how intentionally misleading roles like millers or sanity can be in this game, so I'm assuming what a coroner get's is 100%. So this is what I'm thinking, and I'm sure I haven't been the first person to speculate.

If we have an unlynchable claim, and we put a few votes on him along with someone else we deem scummy, we can economically manage our now chaotic lynching power into something very useful and organized at this point in the game. The priest and coroner can double team the other dead person and hold on to what they get. Most likely the unlynchable will get shot, and the high priest can devote his power in keeping that person alive, while the coroner can go to town, and if mafia ever stop shooting the unlynchable, we get a confirmed town.

Its extremely unlikely for mafia to have an unlynchable themselves without town having a direct counter to such shenanigans. Think about it, that one mafia member would have to be shot by the unlynchable, or he wins the game by himself. There are multiple loopholes to this plan, like perhaps a 1 lynch immune mafia that could "prove" himself, or perhaps a mafia watcher who can see who visits a dead person (goodbye priest and coroner :X)

Thoughts on this? Also varpulis wagon is hilarious, though I'm not taking my eyes off him, the fact that that many people gunned on him from the little thing I picked up without questioning everything else gives us some great partners for unlynchable if this can follow through. I mean at worst mafia figures out who they can't push a lynch on?

Can a High Priest revive the same person more then once?


Except, when the unlynchable guy gets killed and we resurrect him, he'll just get shot again and be dead for good.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
September 02 2011 02:41 GMT
#218
im fairly certain that the wagon that started on varp was more caused by me than you bum. if it's so hilarious why is your vote still on it.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
September 02 2011 02:47 GMT
#219
On September 01 2011 21:53 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 21:43 bumatlarge wrote:
Ill talk about wherebugsgo later today. Let's say I'd make him out to be similar to sandroba in terms of intelligence


I don't know what that means to you, but Sandroba is one of the stronger players in this game. Wherebugsgo has the ambition and time, but he's still relatively new.

Like, Sandroba is in my "If he's wrong, he's scum" category.


It is a compliment, read XLIV, he nailed me role and alignment, but I can't say more then that, figure it out yourself

##Unvote varpulis

I still find it likely that varpulis can be scum (redff has made good points), but in the event that he is not, I would look heavily into these people, in order of scuminess IMO.

Kenpachi - FoSing redff then voting varp. Every game I reset what I think kenpachi would do as each alignment. In this instance he's given more then he usually does, and it stands out as illogical even for kenpachi.

Palmar - For once jumping on a wagon rather then making his own 8 billion reasons. This stands out.

redff - Seems completely legitimate, but he is capable of such a ploy as scum. He's bottom tier in this.

So Kenpachi > Varp > Palmar > redff.
##Vote Kenpachi
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
September 02 2011 02:48 GMT
#220
On September 02 2011 11:36 bumatlarge wrote:
Can a High Priest revive the same person more then once?


Players who have been revived by any means may not be revived by any other means if they are killed again.
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