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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On September 02 2011 11:41 redFF wrote: im fairly certain that the wagon that started on varp was more caused by me than you bum. if it's so hilarious why is your vote still on it. Your patience astounds me. ASTOUNDS BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Nightless. All actions must be submitted by the appointed time. Double Lynch Every Day - At the end of the day, the 2 highest vote-getters will be lynched. Priests Resurrect, Necromancers Reanimate. Resurrected Players will live until they are killed again. Zombies die on the 3rd Day after Reanimation. So a Zombie reanimated on Day 2 will die at the start of Day 5. Players who are returned to life may not be returned to life in the future. No players are told how a character is returned to life. Mafia KP is N/2 (rounded up). Zombies count towards KP. This should answer your question, bum, about whether or not players can be repeatedly revived (no, once they die twice they're gone) Okay, so let's go over a couple things... We should only use bum's "plan" when we absolutely HAVE to. As in, in an endgame situation where we can win in 1-2 days by lynching the lynchproof guy and some suspect, then resurrecting the lynchproof, having the coroner check the suspect, and having the lynchproof shoot another suspect after resurrection but before he gets shot by the mafia. Second, I underlined what's really interesting to me. If mafia KP is n/2, and zombies count toward KP, does that mean a townie who is resurrected by a necromancer will count toward mafia KP? i.e. if there are 4 mafia members and 1 town who is resurrected as a zombie, is mafia KP 3? | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On September 02 2011 11:51 wherebugsgo wrote: If mafia KP is n/2, and zombies count toward KP, does that mean a townie who is resurrected by a necromancer will count toward mafia KP? i.e. if there are 4 mafia members and 1 town who is resurrected as a zombie, is mafia KP 3? Yes. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On September 02 2011 11:51 wherebugsgo wrote: This should answer your question, bum, about whether or not players can be repeatedly revived (no, once they die twice they're gone) Okay, so let's go over a couple things... We should only use bum's "plan" when we absolutely HAVE to. As in, in an endgame situation where we can win in 1-2 days by lynching the lynchproof guy and some suspect, then resurrecting the lynchproof, having the coroner check the suspect, and having the lynchproof shoot another suspect after resurrection but before he gets shot by the mafia. Second, I underlined what's really interesting to me. If mafia KP is n/2, and zombies count toward KP, does that mean a townie who is resurrected by a necromancer will count toward mafia KP? i.e. if there are 4 mafia members and 1 town who is resurrected as a zombie, is mafia KP 3? Well, I disagree in utilizing it that late, as an unlynchable confirms himself, forces two bullets which won't be hitting a coroner or a priest. And the zombie thing hmmm, I revoke what I previously said. With two kills, it's better to keep what we want done to who, since a necro can easily zombify the other and start racking up their KP. I'm assuming we won't be told if a player is zombie or not as well. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
A revived player retains his original wincon no matter how he is revived | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On September 02 2011 11:55 redFF wrote: wait so you want to check and revive someone? Waste of a lynch then? It wouldn't be a waste of a lynch, it would technically be a no lynch with a free check and a confirmed unlynchable. But since the unlynchable can only be revived once its better to wait at least one more day. The first two people are going to get revived anyway. You don't think the high priest should revive day 1? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Oh shit... This could be a problem. So basically, town, we need to be careful of letting mafia resurrect players. As they resurrect they can potentially gain KP for at least a day, even if they resurrect a townie. Thus, they can throw us off AND punish us with extra KP. Any proposed solutions to this dilemma? I'm thinking it might be beneficial to get the holy priests (if we have one/more) to resurrect immediately before the mafia have a chance to capitalize. But...I'm not really sure because there'll be two dead thanks to the lynches and then probably at least two thanks to the mafia kills. On September 02 2011 11:55 redFF wrote: wait so you want to check and revive someone? Waste of a lynch then? It's a free check, right? The only problem is that we need to get information from the coroner eventually. That'll probably be the hardest part, IMO, especially if the coroner dies someday and we don't know it, he'll miss a check. The coroner basically is the most important role (that we know of) in this game right now. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On September 02 2011 12:00 bumatlarge wrote: It wouldn't be a waste of a lynch, it would technically be a no lynch with a free check and a confirmed unlynchable. But since the unlynchable can only be revived once its better to wait at least one more day. The first two people are going to get revived anyway. You don't think the high priest should revive day 1? I dont think the high priest should revive varpulis day 1 because he's mafia. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 02 2011 12:03 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm thinking it might be beneficial to get the holy priests (if we have one/more) to resurrect immediately before the mafia have a chance to capitalize. But...I'm not really sure because there'll be two dead thanks to the lynches and then probably at least two thanks to the mafia kills. And what if we have the holy priest rez immediately, and we ended up lynching scum? Then we have living scum still, and that hurts us. The only problem is that we need to get information from the coroner eventually. That'll probably be the hardest part, IMO, especially if the coroner dies someday and we don't know it, he'll miss a check. The coroner basically is the most important role (that we know of) in this game right now. You're right, and I've been thinking about this for a while. With lynches being no-flip, it's going to be very difficult for the town to get any information at all. Whichever player(s) is/are the coroner(s) needs to be very careful. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Unless, of course, there's some sort of mafia role checker. Which would suck balls. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 02 2011 12:20 wherebugsgo wrote: The only comforting thing to me is that the mafia don't know who they've killed anymore than we do. Unless, of course, there's some sort of mafia role checker. Which would suck balls. Well they certainly know they're hitting townies. Whether or not their blue or green they may not know, but they still know a hell of a lot more than we do or will. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On September 02 2011 12:24 jcarlsoniv wrote: Well they certainly know they're hitting townies. Whether or not their blue or green they may not know, but they still know a hell of a lot more than we do or will. Right, I meant more as in, if they want to deny us whatever information we ARE getting, they have no ability to aim directly for a coroner or whatever without actually having a role detection role themselves. I'm pretty sure iGrok said that mafia can choose to hit mafia too, so that might fuck us with respect to who we should revive, as well. I'd say, if there's a scummy player around who we plan on lynching, but he dies due to a mafia hit, he should get checked anyway and then if he gets revived we should examine him carefully. Mafia can take advantage of the fact that they know alignments by killing their own players and tricking us into reviving them and keeping them around. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 02 2011 12:30 wherebugsgo wrote: Right, I meant more as in, if they want to deny us whatever information we ARE getting, they have no ability to aim directly for a coroner or whatever without actually having a role detection role themselves. I'm pretty sure iGrok said that mafia can choose to hit mafia too, so that might fuck us with respect to who we should revive, as well. I'd say, if there's a scummy player around who we plan on lynching, but he dies due to a mafia hit, he should get checked anyway and then if he gets revived we should examine him carefully. Mafia can take advantage of the fact that they know alignments by killing their own players and tricking us into reviving them and keeping them around. Yes, iGrok did say mafia can kill their own. And I was thinking the exact thing you said. But even if scum can't hit our blues reliably, how will the town get information? I'm afraid all the information is going to sit with our coroner. This will certainly be tricky. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Everyone just needs to pay close attention to the thread. It's even more important than in regular mafia games, IMO, as the lack of information for town means we can really only rely on our reads of scummy play. So, let's not rely on the coroner. We rely on our scumhunting skills. We lynch those mofos and then when the time is right the coroner can claim and we lynch the remaining mafia team all at once. | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
On September 02 2011 10:27 jcarlsoniv wrote: I like how sinani has completely disregarded the fact that I think he could be scum. Also, he ignored the fact that we already figured picking 3 candidates wouldn't work. He has contributed very little. Currently he's feeling the scummiest to me. #vote sinani206 I'm sorry, I though it would be obvious that I knew that you thought I could be scum. I have acknowledged this in previous posts. Anyway, redFF just keeps feeling more and more scummy to me. I will put my vote on him for now. ##Vote: redFF PS: I know you think I'm not contributing too. I'm explicitly acknowledging this so that you don't think that I'm disregarding it. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On September 02 2011 14:37 sinani206 wrote: I'm sorry, I though it would be obvious that I knew that you thought I could be scum. I have acknowledged this in previous posts. Anyway, redFF just keeps feeling more and more scummy to me. I will put my vote on him for now. ##Vote: redFF PS: I know you think I'm not contributing too. I'm explicitly acknowledging this so that you don't think that I'm disregarding it. LOL. im sorry but that is the worst post in the game so far. this guy and varp are the lynches. | ||
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OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
Also the one thing I've noticed from posting today is Kenpachis vanilla claim. Firstly why do it? He's trying to establish townieness then basically asks a few questions then completely drops off the face of the earth. Nothing else seems to come out of him and I personally don't mind offing him. Also along with the above the last time he claimed townie and lurked he flipped scum. So in recap: For shitposting and meta I vote ##Vote: Kenpachi | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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