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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
And your wondering why he claims green? He has done it every single game he has played. so no I don't think there is enough reason to vote for ken but I do believe 206 is scum, people are claiming kenpachi is useless but 206 has been a lot worse so far. #Vote: sinani206 | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
@OriginalName: That's surprisingly bad, you should know Kenpachi always claims town. So, I think it's unanimous that Varpulis should hang today. Everything from his apathetic "nice tunnel" defense to trying to deflect the lynch onto a random lurker screams that he should be lynched. He insists we should be scumhunting yet has not provided any scumhunting of his own, aside from "Kenpachi lurks, let's lynch". sinani206 is a weird one, thing is even when he's town he is always up for lynching because he just posts incredibly scummy. He's also a favourite candidate for scum to try to lynch, but it's very hard to make the distinction of scum and well... townies who just think he's scummy. I'd rather not lynch sinani206 today. redFF is posting in a manner that seems very fluent and unrestricted. This is unusual for him, although he's been known to make one-liners as scum too. Problem is that I feel like he's not making careful one-liners, but extremely dangerous one-liners. I think lynching redFF would be a really bad idea today. chaos13 is another person that feels really open in his posting. He's slowly settling into what I'd consider his town meta of asking questions and being completely unable to find scum unless everyone is holding hands and being happy. I think he'd be one of the worst lynches today. I think Wherebugsgo is town. jcarlsonv also looks like he's town, I was sceptical at first, but all his posting looks like someone who is just earnestly trying to contribute to the discussion. I'd not be cool with lynching Sandroba right now, no reason to lynch one of our best town players, especially when he seems to be putting effort into reading past games to form his opinions, I need to keep an eye on him though, because if he starts being wrong I should get him lynched. Bumatlarge: I don't like this post, I don't like it at all: ##Unvote varpulis I still find it likely that varpulis can be scum (redff has made good points), but in the event that he is not, I would look heavily into these people, in order of scuminess IMO. This is so weird, if you think it's likely he is scum, why do you feel necessary to coddle up to redFF's arguments, yet try to find some other lurkers, your list almost smells of "Let's make a list of people who are scummy and see which one picks off". Which is basically fishing for town opinion. Thing is, it's ok not thinking Varpulis is scum, like, there's nothing wrong with being wrong, but the way you present this idea is... not something I like. I think you could possibly be a good lynch candidate today. Ace and Jackal are just derps at this point, Jackal kindly provided us with a useless post about double lynches, and Ace is roleplaying. They've provided nothing that can be used to determine their alignment.. I expect a contribution from them or we get our daykiller guy to gun one of them down. OriginalName is someone I'd strongly consider for scumderp, because he's just playing uncharacteristically bad. He's the person of the three I feel least strongly about though, if we can I'd lynch Varp and Bum. And finally Drazerk and Sknowman, along with that Kenpachi person. Nothing to read, nothing to analyse. With Jackal and Ace that means there are in my opinion 5 complete null-tells in the game, and some of them are bound to be town. Those of you who are town really need to start posting so we can determine your alignment. So without further ado, I think Kenpachi stupid and bad lynch. I think the race should be between: Bumatlarge Varpulis OriginalName So, i'm asking you all to take a bit of a leap of faith here, consider switching your votes to one of these guys, because any vote outside the three is going to be a wasted vote. Ideally, we will have at least 5-6 votes on Bumatlarge and Varpulis each, but if someone feels one of my reads is blatantly wrong, I present a third option. I'm going to switch my vote to Bumatlarge to get the ball rolling there. Anyone voting outside of those three should do one of the following: a) Move your vote to one of the three. b) Explain why the lynch is a bad lynch. ##Unvote Varpulis ##Vote Bumatlarge | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
We should only resurrect people who we're almost certain are town. We should never resurrect lynched people. The high priest should use his power sparingly, I asked if mafia could shoot mafia because if not we'd get instantly confirmed townies by ressing the NK'd people, but mafia can, even if it's unlikely, shoot their own and have us res them for town cred. We should always instantly lynch anyone that gets resurrected without good reason. In fact, we should only resurrect people who we agree on, I suggest majority voting for ressing people. I think it may be beneficial not to use the high priest power, because even town-aligned reanimated zombies count towards mafia KP. So if we just agree to resurrect no one, we're basically gimping the mafia team of their greatest power. Need to think on it. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
Defending players with good arguments will not be considered scummy in this game. So if anyone feels like my reads are off, I want to hear why, there's no such thing as being autoscum for defending people, it's only how and why you do it that can be analysed. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
My guide pointed me into the direction of a forested area on the island of Liquidia. It took me days but clearing most of the woods I have found something interesting. I appear to have stumbled onto some primitive pulpit the commoners refer to as "The Village Square". Evil is afoot, and by god they are trying to find the vermin! How sad it is to see them accuse each other to the death over crumbs, squabbling like rats on a sinking ship. Some of these commoners are even shadier than others. Even worse, some of the jubjubs are saying who they think is surely innocent and the trial just started! Oh dear, I better stick around and see how his turns out. A few of these commoners do have some smarts though. I better pay extra attention to them. ~End~ | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
On September 02 2011 14:37 sinani206 wrote: I'm sorry, I though it would be obvious that I knew that you thought I could be scum. I have acknowledged this in previous posts. Anyway, redFF just keeps feeling more and more scummy to me. I will put my vote on him for now. ##Vote: redFF PS: I know you think I'm not contributing too. I'm explicitly acknowledging this so that you don't think that I'm disregarding it. This is some awesome reasoning. Why exactly is it that he feels more and more scummy? If you're gonna vote for someone, you gotta explain why. Ace, so far your posting has included defending Varp and posting journal entries. In other words, you're useless. Scumhunt or gtfo. | ||
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Sknowman
55 Posts
On September 02 2011 11:36 bumatlarge wrote: We should be reading more into the role list we have. This is an extremely odd set-up where lynching and killing is not completely based around eliminating scum. In fact, basing our tactics on that is short-sighted and I mean to remedy this. Dead players create a "pool" of suspects that a coroner can utilize. I am fairly certain we have 1 or 2 coroners, or else the game has a ridiculous set-up. In a way, the first lynch is really important, yet not as cruel with the Resurrection mechanic. We immediately lynch two players, and the coroner(s) must choose between them. I don't see how intentionally misleading roles like millers or sanity can be in this game, so I'm assuming what a coroner get's is 100%. So this is what I'm thinking, and I'm sure I haven't been the first person to speculate. If we have an unlynchable claim, and we put a few votes on him along with someone else we deem scummy, we can economically manage our now chaotic lynching power into something very useful and organized at this point in the game. The priest and coroner can double team the other dead person and hold on to what they get. Most likely the unlynchable will get shot, and the high priest can devote his power in keeping that person alive, while the coroner can go to town, and if mafia ever stop shooting the unlynchable, we get a confirmed town. Its extremely unlikely for mafia to have an unlynchable themselves without town having a direct counter to such shenanigans. Think about it, that one mafia member would have to be shot by the unlynchable, or he wins the game by himself. There are multiple loopholes to this plan, like perhaps a 1 lynch immune mafia that could "prove" himself, or perhaps a mafia watcher who can see who visits a dead person (goodbye priest and coroner :X) Thoughts on this? Also varpulis wagon is hilarious, though I'm not taking my eyes off him, the fact that that many people gunned on him from the little thing I picked up without questioning everything else gives us some great partners for unlynchable if this can follow through. I mean at worst mafia figures out who they can't push a lynch on? Can a High Priest revive the same person more then once? I don't agree with focusing on the mechanics/roles so much. Yes, it is good to understand them. But mechanic/role analysis is such an easy way for scum to get solid town points, make big posts and derail conversation. I am not convinced anybody is town at this point. I am not liking Ace's play, not because he's scummy but because he's not playing. Seriously, what the fuck is that? Varpulis doesn't look too scummy to me. I've been attacked at the beginning of games for making similar posts to Varp's first post as town. Just trying to get the game rolling. redFF is playing his usual town self, I think. Short, concise posts and being blunt and to the point. jcarlsoniv looks scummiest to me. His defense was not good. At all. Really scummy. On September 01 2011 22:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:If you absolutely wanted to lynch me, whatever. It would be a waste of a lynch, AND I would like to see some reasoning behind it. If you're lynching me because I'm lurking, well then read the last 2 freaking pages again. I'm not lurking even a little bit. I don't necessarily disagree, but chaos13 has not posted much at all that would let me lean either way. I'm neutral on him at the moment. And I'll also be watching Red. While I agree with him that Varp seems scummy, some of the best scum hunters can turn out to be scum. They kinda cheat =) "Don't lynch me because I'm a townie." Jesus, how many times have I heard that defense from scum? It's either scum or derby town who just don't know how to defend, but I believe he is experienced (correct me if I'm wrong). Then he defends himself from a lurker accusation that literally nobody made. Then his analysis on other players is almost identical to some of my scum posts. "Not enough info to go off... I'll keep an eye on this player... X probably isn't scum, but also could be!" Nope, I'm voting him. ##VOTE jcarlsoniv | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On September 02 2011 11:57 bumatlarge wrote: Well, I disagree in utilizing it that late, as an unlynchable confirms himself, forces two bullets which won't be hitting a coroner or a priest. And the zombie thing hmmm, I revoke what I previously said. With two kills, it's better to keep what we want done to who, since a necro can easily zombify the other and start racking up their KP. I'm assuming we won't be told if a player is zombie or not as well. What wat A daykiller is also a vet? | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
No, he's talking about them being resurrected. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
I need an answer on some questions about mechanic first, to then come up with something, but bum's idea on reviving one of the lynches and checking him day 1 is not terrible. I'll much rather use it in someone important like Ace (who is posting random derp now) though. For now I'm leaning on killing ON and kill/revive Ace. Can a priest/coroner target someone who is not yet dead? Which order do the actions go through regarding priests/coroners/mafia? | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
Vote: Bumatlarge | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
No, daykiller is unlynchable. + Show Spoiler + On September 02 2011 19:12 Palmar wrote: @Bumatlarge: I already figured everything out. @OriginalName: That's surprisingly bad, you should know Kenpachi always claims town. So, I think it's unanimous that Varpulis should hang today. Everything from his apathetic "nice tunnel" defense to trying to deflect the lynch onto a random lurker screams that he should be lynched. He insists we should be scumhunting yet has not provided any scumhunting of his own, aside from "Kenpachi lurks, let's lynch". sinani206 is a weird one, thing is even when he's town he is always up for lynching because he just posts incredibly scummy. He's also a favourite candidate for scum to try to lynch, but it's very hard to make the distinction of scum and well... townies who just think he's scummy. I'd rather not lynch sinani206 today. redFF is posting in a manner that seems very fluent and unrestricted. This is unusual for him, although he's been known to make one-liners as scum too. Problem is that I feel like he's not making careful one-liners, but extremely dangerous one-liners. I think lynching redFF would be a really bad idea today. chaos13 is another person that feels really open in his posting. He's slowly settling into what I'd consider his town meta of asking questions and being completely unable to find scum unless everyone is holding hands and being happy. I think he'd be one of the worst lynches today. I think Wherebugsgo is town. jcarlsonv also looks like he's town, I was sceptical at first, but all his posting looks like someone who is just earnestly trying to contribute to the discussion. I'd not be cool with lynching Sandroba right now, no reason to lynch one of our best town players, especially when he seems to be putting effort into reading past games to form his opinions, I need to keep an eye on him though, because if he starts being wrong I should get him lynched. Bumatlarge: I don't like this post, I don't like it at all: ##Unvote varpulis I still find it likely that varpulis can be scum (redff has made good points), but in the event that he is not, I would look heavily into these people, in order of scuminess IMO. This is so weird, if you think it's likely he is scum, why do you feel necessary to coddle up to redFF's arguments, yet try to find some other lurkers, your list almost smells of "Let's make a list of people who are scummy and see which one picks off". Which is basically fishing for town opinion. Thing is, it's ok not thinking Varpulis is scum, like, there's nothing wrong with being wrong, but the way you present this idea is... not something I like. I think you could possibly be a good lynch candidate today. Ace and Jackal are just derps at this point, Jackal kindly provided us with a useless post about double lynches, and Ace is roleplaying. They've provided nothing that can be used to determine their alignment.. I expect a contribution from them or we get our daykiller guy to gun one of them down. OriginalName is someone I'd strongly consider for scumderp, because he's just playing uncharacteristically bad. He's the person of the three I feel least strongly about though, if we can I'd lynch Varp and Bum. And finally Drazerk and Sknowman, along with that Kenpachi person. Nothing to read, nothing to analyse. With Jackal and Ace that means there are in my opinion 5 complete null-tells in the game, and some of them are bound to be town. Those of you who are town really need to start posting so we can determine your alignment. So without further ado, I think Kenpachi stupid and bad lynch. I think the race should be between: Bumatlarge Varpulis OriginalName So, i'm asking you all to take a bit of a leap of faith here, consider switching your votes to one of these guys, because any vote outside the three is going to be a wasted vote. Ideally, we will have at least 5-6 votes on Bumatlarge and Varpulis each, but if someone feels one of my reads is blatantly wrong, I present a third option. I'm going to switch my vote to Bumatlarge to get the ball rolling there. Anyone voting outside of those three should do one of the following: a) Move your vote to one of the three. b) Explain why the lynch is a bad lynch. ##Unvote Varpulis ##Vote Bumatlarge @Palmar: The only person on your list I don't feel get too much of a scum read on right now is ON. However, my personal scummiest read is on sinani, so I'm going to leave my vote on him for now. I want to see how this day unfolds more to see if I get other scummy reads. Person to watch out for: Drazerk He's made two posts this game: On September 01 2011 22:00 Drazerk wrote: Thought this game was going to start tonight >.> only scanned through the thread so far but I have FoS on Varp / 206 Ill post a bit more later but those are my main suspects for now. On September 02 2011 18:48 Drazerk wrote: For all the people voting kenpachi, I really don't know why we are dealing with him on day 1 And your wondering why he claims green? He has done it every single game he has played. so no I don't think there is enough reason to vote for ken but I do believe 206 is scum, people are claiming kenpachi is useless but 206 has been a lot worse so far. #Vote: sinani206 Both have been pretty contentless. At this point I'm not sure how to read him, but I'm definitely watching him. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On September 02 2011 22:13 sandroba wrote: Okay, first unlynchable should definitively never claim. Even if his up for a lynch (and thus reveal that he is unlynchable) if he doesn't claim mafia can't reactively kill them because there is no nights (am I getting this right iGrok?). He can then use his power on the next day and/or get revived the day after mafia shoots him for being confirmed. There is absolutely no reason to claim unlynchable anytime soon. I need an answer on some questions about mechanic first, to then come up with something, but bum's idea on reviving one of the lynches and checking him day 1 is not terrible. I'll much rather use it in someone important like Ace (who is posting random derp now) though. For now I'm leaning on killing ON and kill/revive Ace. Can a priest/coroner target someone who is not yet dead? Which order do the actions go through regarding priests/coroners/mafia? Priests, Coroners, and Necromancers may only target dead players. Priest and Necromancer abilities take place during the daychange. Coroner ability happens instantly. Please do not forget that this setup is nightless, and you must submit your actions before the end of the day. Thank you! | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On September 02 2011 19:12 Palmar wrote:Ace and Jackal are just derps at this point, Jackal kindly provided us with a useless post about double lynches, and Ace is roleplaying. They've provided nothing that can be used to determine their alignment.. I expect a contribution from them or we get our daykiller guy to gun one of them down. My comment on Sandroba's plan was the only post worth commenting on at the time I commented on it. The only thing else going on at that point was a giant NO U!!!!! fest between you and Varp. Ace has done what Ace always does. He's called us all a bunch of morons. I have about a half hour to reread the last two pages and decide who I want to vote for and why and then I'll be gone for the next 12 or so. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On September 01 2011 22:29 chaos13 wrote: I'm hesitant on Varpulis, but I certainly don't get a good feeling from him. I can read his reaction as either a scum pissed off at votes coming in on D1 or as town being frustrated against a weak argument. I see jcarlson as either probable town or strong scum. He seems like a solid player either way, but a the moment I'm leaning town on him and would not be okay voting for him. redFF is probably town. This is his usual sort of town play - FoS everyone and everything for anything at all. When scum he lurks more. This makes no sense to me. "I think he's town but I'm going to plant a little scummy seed" Chaos started with the same "Don't Spam My Game or I'll be Pissed Off" post that he did in Werewolves. Ya he was scum there too. ##VOTE: Chaos13 | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
I'm the first suspect in this game too, it seems. Anyway, I can see that I'm not going to get a case for redFF going, so I'm going to change to bumatlarge, who was my next suspect anyway. ##Vote: bumatlarge | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On September 02 2011 22:13 sandroba wrote: Okay, first unlynchable should definitively never claim. Even if his up for a lynch (and thus reveal that he is unlynchable) if he doesn't claim mafia can't reactively kill them because there is no nights (am I getting this right iGrok?). He can then use his power on the next day and/or get revived the day after mafia shoots him for being confirmed. There is absolutely no reason to claim unlynchable anytime soon. I need an answer on some questions about mechanic first, to then come up with something, but bum's idea on reviving one of the lynches and checking him day 1 is not terrible. I'll much rather use it in someone important like Ace (who is posting random derp now) though. For now I'm leaning on killing ON and kill/revive Ace. Can a priest/coroner target someone who is not yet dead? Which order do the actions go through regarding priests/coroners/mafia? I second this, I also find Ace's cryptic journal entries a little weird, so I'm fine with lynching him. Ace you need to contribute or I'm calling you scum. Scum. #vote Ace Also where the eff is the voting thread? | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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