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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 03 2011 04:24 Varpulis wrote: Palmar 1 -chaos13 - Varpulis 1 - - - -Kenpachi Kenpachi 2 -bumatlarge -OriginalName redFF 0 - bumatlarge 2 -Palmar -sinani206 jcarlsoniv 1 -Sknowman Chaos13 1 -Jackal58 I count 8 votes, which means almost half the town hasn't voted yet. This is not accurate. I know at least myself and Draz have voted for sinani. | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
On September 03 2011 04:31 jcarlsoniv wrote: This is not accurate. I know at least myself and Draz have voted for sinani. did you ad "##" to the beginning of your vote? because if not i didn't find it. I did a search for "##" with the thread set to all. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On September 03 2011 02:28 bumatlarge wrote: I don't think it smells like that at all. I voted varpulis, same time as redff, then a bunch of people jumped on it, including you, with very little reason. In fact you have very little reason voting me here as well, which is extraordinarily unlike the palmar I know. This has to be the most passive thing I have ever seen you done. If you vote me for reason, you don't go ahead and do the exact same thing yourself. See bolded sentence. And sandroba is just as bad, sayng I haven't been pro-town, when he clearly has not read through my unlynchable idea by thinking the coroner uses his power by day. That's why we discuss and figure everything out now day 1, where there is little to derail, because day 1 conversations are hard to move. I feel this game should garner the same discussion a PYP game would. The High Priest should use his power everyday I'll explain why. But first we need to ask more green questions I think. There is a lot of stuff we could miss just by ignorance. iGrok, when two revivers (priest or necro) target the same person, is there a precedence given? Also, can you add all questions answered to the last of the OP posts? If it's not too much trouble.  I'm fairly certain it will revive according to when the PM is sent, but it will have to be confirmed. IF A HIGH PRIEST CAN RESURRECT A PERSON RATHER THEN THEM BEING A ZOMBIE THEN THAT IS GOOD. Denying zombies will be a key job for the high priest, as a necromancer will not just revive dead teammates but also any townies he can whenever he can. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. Day 1 is where the chances are higher to do this, 50%. I'll gladly take criticism or argue the point. Day1 is usually a mislynch and a double lynch on day 1 is unlikely to be successful. We will undoubtedly lynch a townie, you can't argue that. So resurrect the one you think is town as fast as you can, and hopefully you stop the zombification. Even if they target different people, the zombie does a have a time limit and the resurrected person does not. Most likely mafia will revive the less pro-town of the two, and high priest the more pro-town. Ok now you can yell at me for speculating. There is a lot of WIFOM in this topic as to who would revive who, so please refrain from using that as a counter-point. Also Ace please post  I know you figured some stuff out too, probably more then I did.Day 1 High priest/Necro can't target anyone because there is no one dead to be a possible target. Day 2 they High priest will target one of the 2 night kills if they have half a brain, because those are unlikely mafia. If mafia shoots mafia they are dumb because you can't guarantee high priest will target the correct one nor that he is alive by day 3 to res said mafia, so nks are 99% town and those are the ones that should be res'ed 100% of the time. The problem I see with that is the timing thing which is dumb. Both Mafia and High priest will have to spam F5 to see when daypost goes through to have a higher chance of getting the res. Mafia will have an advantage here because they will now the kills before (to try to deny the High Priest a res) AND they can choose to target one of the lynches and have a 100% chance of getting a zombie. I don't see how we can avoid the need of F5 spamming before the day post, so if you are high priest, please make the effort to send your res as early as humanly possible. That said unlynchable claiming and getting confirmed by lynch is terrible. Here is what will happen. Mafia will kill him at night and try to res him as a zombie to deny the high priest which will obiously target him. That makes it at best 50/50 and we won't know what he actually is, so we will have to keep him alive possibly contributing to mafia kp. It also gives us absolutely nothing in the sense of finding scum. It also helps a possible minion to narrow down their targets. Let me repeat unlynchable should absolutely never claim, even if up for a lynch, since mafia has to send their kills before hand and that ensures he will survive the next day and thus be confirmed. The optimal way is to try to lynch the zombie plus one person per day to not let mafia kp go up and res one of the nks every day to further reduce mafia kp. That is all. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On September 03 2011 04:12 Ace wrote: stop giving reads on every player in the game. you're fucking useless. Fixed; I think this is what Ace meant to say. On September 03 2011 04:10 Varpulis wrote: Alright, It looks like trying to convince you guys not to lynch me is a lost cause (admittedly i did a pretty poor job to begin with, but that's beside the point) I'm going to filter everybody and give my brief opinions on them. They won't be taken seriously now, i know, but hopefully they'll have more weight when a coroner checks me, which should happen eventually. The people saying that we shouldn't revive lynches are right. If scum want a lynch back, let them do it themselves. Zombies are temporary, so unless they're as scummy as scummy can be, lynching them night not be necessary. If they're increasing kp, by all means lynch lynch lynch, but if you believe mafia to have, for example, 3 players left, a zombie won't actually increase their kp, so you might as well just wait for them to die. High priest should be reviving night kills, because those are far more likely to be town. Without further ado, my reads: Jackal58 + Show Spoiler + leaning green, but there's not much to go on. he's playing his usual style as far as i can tell, and the reasoning behind his vote is relatively sound. RedFF + Show Spoiler + He's wrong, but he's not mafia. His suspicion and application of pressure and moderate tunneling are both pro town and effective. Sknowman + Show Spoiler + lurky, but his one post is good and informative. Not sure, leaning town. Kenpachi + Show Spoiler + no fucking clue, as usual. Wherebugsgo + Show Spoiler + scummy. Most of his posts are talking about mechanics and plans, aka "hey look i'm contributing without actually taking a stance or giving reads." Then he jumps on ace, who's as much lynch bait as i am at this point. sinani206 + Show Spoiler + also scummy. Soft defends me and then votes redFF with the explanation "he's scummy." When that doesn't work he jumps on the bumatlarge wagon again with the explanation "he's scummy." No explanation, nothing. Keep a close eye on this guy. Drazerk + Show Spoiler + lurky. Only 2 posts in the game, votes sinani, which i agree with. needs to post more. jcarlsoniv + Show Spoiler + i've got a town read on him, based on his attitude, activity, and the content of his posts. I don't see the scum motives in his posting, but this is more of a gut read than anything else Ace + Show Spoiler + had some early posts that weren't too bad, then started trolling with his journal. Null read, would like to see him actually contribute. A player who trolls even when asked to stop is a liability. OriginalName + Show Spoiler + Doesn't like meta lynching, votes Kenpachi on meta (???). contradiction, scummy. Needs to post more Palmar + Show Spoiler + Strong town. considers multiple points of view, and is able to step out of tunnel vision and make objective decisions. Filter him if you need any more convincing Chaos13 + Show Spoiler + wishy washy as hell. Not taking risks, votes palmar because Palmar was mean to him (aka didn't listen to his atmosphere post) Leaning scum bumatlarge + Show Spoiler + votes me because i made a "useless post" when there was nothing to discuss or post about. Unvotes with literally the same clause as redff (I still think he's scum, but let's lynch somebody else) Makes little sense to me. votes kenpachi on meta. I disagree with his posts about the high priest always reviving lynches. tl;dr the following people are scummy: WBG sinani206 Chaos13 bumatlarge Out of that pool, I'd like to lynch either sinani or bum. I'll look at the vote counts (I think i'll have to look through manually, but whatever) then make my decision with a proper accusation. I think you're trying too hard here, mate. Not to mention, a lot of your "reads" aren't reads at all, they're just fluff. We need more attitude like you, though! On September 03 2011 04:10 Varpulis wrote: Wherebugsgo + Show Spoiler + scummy. Most of his posts are talking about mechanics and plans, aka "hey look i'm contributing without actually taking a stance or giving reads." Then he jumps on ace, who's as much lynch bait as i am at this point. Put yourself in my shoes as both scum and town, reread, and then tell us all what you see. I'm a size 8 and a half, btw. (stfu I'm short) Just as a heads up guys, if this day is ending in 6 hours, I'm going to have very few chances to post outside of within the next 15 minutes. My vote on Ace had almost no effect (I wanted him to actually contribute so I don't have to deal with fucking null tells) and the rest of the town lynches seem to suck, so I propose two: Drazerk and OriginalName. Of the two, I prefer to lynch OriginalName, since I just have a feeling on Drazerk and that really isn't enough to go on. Anyway, take a look everybody: Filter OriginalName The sentence in green directly contradicts the sentence in red: On September 01 2011 11:54 OriginalName wrote: Why are we still disscussing Null-tells and passing it off as meta. Red anything you want to add that actually is from this game? Because imo right now your digging yourself a grave. On September 02 2011 15:40 OriginalName wrote: Where the fuck are Drazerk and Sknowman? Also the one thing I've noticed from posting today is Kenpachis vanilla claim. Firstly why do it? He's trying to establish townieness then basically asks a few questions then completely drops off the face of the earth. Nothing else seems to come out of him and I personally don't mind offing him. Also along with the above the last time he claimed townie and lurked he flipped scum. So in recap: For shitposting and meta I vote ##Vote: Kenpachi SUP Now, take a look at this, and tell me if you can find any scumtells: Filter Kenpachi Hmmm...can't find any scumminess there. Soooo in recap: OriginalName 1. Criticizes town for using null-tells as meta 2. Votes someone on a null tell, passing it off as meta. #unvote #vote OriginalName + Show Spoiler + Also, again, where the eff is the voting thread? FINALLY, on the topic of the mechanics of this game: I think we should throw out the idea of ressing lynches. Res the night kills. We can worry about ressing lynches when we have reasonable evidence to suspect that we have lynched an important townie. Otherwise, resurrecting night kills just makes a whole lot more sense. Also, if you are a high priest, please send your res in immediately after the daypost (or night post, whatever the fuck it's called in this nightless game) so that the necro doesn't get priority. Please seriously consider ON guys, I don't know if I'll be around much to pursue this case much today, as I have class in about 20 minutes for another 4-5 hours. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 03 2011 04:36 Varpulis wrote: did you ad "##" to the beginning of your vote? because if not i didn't find it. I did a search for "##" with the thread set to all. Ah, sorry, I only did one #. I'll make sure to do two from now on. Interestingly, Draz also only did one #... | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
On September 02 2011 14:37 sinani206 wrote: I'm sorry, I though it would be obvious that I knew that you thought I could be scum. I have acknowledged this in previous posts. Anyway, redFF just keeps feeling more and more scummy to me. I will put my vote on him for now. ##Vote: redFF PS: I know you think I'm not contributing too. I'm explicitly acknowledging this so that you don't think that I'm disregarding it. terrible vote. "he's scummy." is a shitty cop-out vote reason for scum who know that they can't make a plausible case. his PS is BS, basically saying "yeah i know i haven't been contributing, please don't vote for me." On September 03 2011 01:40 sinani206 wrote: Meh. I'm the first suspect in this game too, it seems. Anyway, I can see that I'm not going to get a case for redFF going, so I'm going to change to bumatlarge, who was my next suspect anyway. ##Vote: bumatlarge "my attempt to start a wagon against redFF failed miserably, i'm going to go and hop onto another wagon without explaining anything at all." Also, right now the votes are INCREDIBLY spread out. something like 11/15 people have voted, and we've got a bunch of people tied with 2 votes. With a roleblock and/or an unlucky pious, scum can really screw us over and ensure that only townies die if we don't refocus and get votes piled up on 2 or 3 candidates. | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
To those critiquing my giving reads on everybody, even when i didn't have a solid read: I did this before tallying up the votes, under the assumption that i was going to get lynched. More reads from a dead townie is better than less, was the logic i followed. | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
On September 03 2011 04:49 Varpulis wrote: there is no voting thread WBG. ebwop | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
##unvote ##vote OriginalName | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On September 03 2011 04:47 Varpulis wrote: ##vote sinani206 terrible vote. "he's scummy." is a shitty cop-out vote reason for scum who know that they can't make a plausible case. his PS is BS, basically saying "yeah i know i haven't been contributing, please don't vote for me." "my attempt to start a wagon against redFF failed miserably, i'm going to go and hop onto another wagon without explaining anything at all." Also, right now the votes are INCREDIBLY spread out. something like 11/15 people have voted, and we've got a bunch of people tied with 2 votes. With a roleblock and/or an unlucky pious, scum can really screw us over and ensure that only townies die if we don't refocus and get votes piled up on 2 or 3 candidates. I just saw this. The only problem I have with the part I've bolded is that dumb townies do it too. Remember hiro? He did basically this in XLIV and we ended up lynching him because we couldn't tell his dumbtells apart from real scumtells. I agree with your logic for the most part, but I want to be cautious here. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
Don't forget to vote, and don't forget to send in your night actions! 4 hours remain in the day. | ||
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OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
For shitposting and meta I vote NOTE THE BOLDED/ITALICS/UNDERLINED SECTION OF THAT -_- | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 03 2011 05:03 OriginalName wrote: NOTE THE BOLDED/ITALICS/UNDERLINED SECTION OF THAT -_- What would you like us to note about that? | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
On September 03 2011 05:03 OriginalName wrote: NOTE THE BOLDED/ITALICS/UNDERLINED SECTION OF THAT -_- It's kenpachi. I'll gladly vote for him if you can show me examples of him not shitposting as town. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Let chaos reign! | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
1) LOL, why is he scum in the first place? 2) When he was scum with me in kurumi's game, he had a much harder time posting anything meaninful and was much less genuine in his posts. He came across as very scummy and wishy washy which is not the case this game. 3) He is actually making an effort at finding scum and defending himself. There are much better targets than him for a day1 lynch. Here are some: Bum: Has only posted about mechanics and nothing abusable in a pro-town way, so the content is actually nil. First to jump on the easy varpulis bandwagon then criticises others who did the same. Then votes kenpachi, which is the safest vote you can imagine. If you can actually tell wether kenpachi is town or mafia at this point I bow to you sir. In my opinion kenpachi is being more pro town this game than most games he plays in. ON: See wbg case. Also votes kenpachi, which is terrible for a vet that knows how he plays. Sknowman and Drazerk: Completely useless. They are fine day1 lynches aswell. | ||
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OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
a vet that knows how he plays. Since when have I been a vet? | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
You have played numerous games and started way before I did, so to me you are a vet. Also wether or not you are a vet doesn't make any difference. You know kenpachi and I know you can't tell if he is mafia or not yet. Your vote on him is a throw away vote with little chance for sucess. | ||
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