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On August 17 2011 14:02 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 13:43 bumatlarge wrote:On August 17 2011 13:38 Curu wrote:On August 17 2011 13:37 heist wrote:On August 17 2011 13:34 Curu wrote: Yeah, but no one knows anyone else's house number or colour. Thanks for telling us your Mafia team does though. Puts an end to this openly claim blue business. Who knows other people's house number or colour other than yours or Palmar's (if you guys are telling the truth)? I just said mafia knows the house numbers and color of everyone non-mafia which seems pretty logical if everyone is given house # and color. Nope. Better tell your team to shoot me tonight scum. You realize they can't because they DONT KNOW YOUR FUCKING TRAITS. THATS WHY BLUE CLAIMING IS SAFE FHSKDJAKSDGJ Um, heist just told you his Mafia team knows the two traits of everyone in Town. So blue claiming is not safe.
No I didn't.
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Upon reread, I may retract my statement of scum slip.
Might have been a case of premature ejaculation on my part.
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Yeah scum knowing one trait of everyone in town would give them an absurd amount of information.
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This game is awesome.
So... are we doing the roleclaim thing? I'm still unconvinced, bum, sorry The traditional mafia player in me feels really weird about mass claiming at night when mafia can use the information to influence their hits. Who knows - maybe mafia knows something we don't.
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It's kind of interesting though, after rereading heist's posts several times, I kinda get what he's saying.
Mafia kill by aiming at traits, right? In which case, they don't find out who they've targeted unless they know which trait belongs to who. Basically the person who dies in the morning (at least for the first few nights) is a mystery even to the mafia. Traits aren't revealed on death...so coroner is important, as mafia will know one? trait that belonged to the dead person.
IF mafia were given house number and color like everyone else, they know which colors/houses NOT to pick, and basically that the rest of the pool belongs to the town.
Here I can somewhat understand why it's initially "safe" to claim: if you claim, the mafia actually can't kill you unless they know one of your traits. Right?
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I gleaned from it. So protect traits...but at the same time town will need to figure out a system to share traits to solve the puzzle right?
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I will honestly be very surprised if it gets to the point where the puzzle can be solved before the game ends, but it depends on the amount of clues given each day/night. Even if everyone mass claimed their known traits right now, there would still be a knowledge defecit, because im fairy certain you cant figure out country/pet just by clues.
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On August 17 2011 05:35 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 05:25 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:On August 17 2011 05:05 bumatlarge wrote: I think it's inevitable for mafia to eventually fakeclaim this game. That's the advantage they have is they are not checkable, only via traits, just like town is killable only through traits.
I think it would be best for a mass roleclaim right now. As soon as deconduo answers the question. Us being able to lynch individuals but scum only being able to shoot traits is pretty big for town. It's just important to look towards how we would sort everything out. I don't get it, what is the benefit of roleclaiming? Not being shot because you roleclaim, the whole reason behind not claiming in normal games. That isn't a factor here if what syllo says is true. Either way this flops, this puts massive suspicion on syllogism for asking that question. I'm not certain how you would know to ask that or why you are asking it privately. Please exlain your reasoning syllo, and until then Im putting my vote on you. Haha are you kidding me? If I was scum, I would have NEVER told the town. You can call it wifom, but as you can see it is definitely not earning me any town cred so far. As for why I asked the question, it was the logical question to ask based on all the roles targetting traits as well.
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On August 17 2011 11:11 heist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 10:05 bumatlarge wrote:Palmar's public IRC [16:36] <bumatlarge> for info [16:36] <bumatlarge> information that wouldn' [16:36] <bumatlarge> really affect [16:36] <bumatlarge> mafia knowing it [16:37] <bumatlarge> the only thing massclaiming does is letting mafia know how many and what blues we have [16:37] <bumatlarge> they cant do anything about it [16:40] <heist> right, but what if/when traits start to come out publicly, won't that help the mafia? [16:41] <bumatlarge> thats the part im trying to figure out [16:42] <bumatlarge> blues aren't useful unless someone reveals traits [16:42] <bumatlarge> and to reveal traits [16:42] <bumatlarge> means then mafia can start to work things out [16:42] <bumatlarge> a lot faster then town can [16:42] <heist> right, three heads working together [16:44] <bumatlarge> ? [16:44] <bumatlarge> we know there are three mafia? [16:44] <bumatlarge> :X [16:45] <heist> I assume [16:46] <heist> 12 people [16:46] <heist> standard [16:46] <heist> 2 would be too weak [16:46] <heist> 4 makes lylo too fast [16:46] <bumatlarge> yeah but we dont know if traitors are in play [16:47] <heist> right
Sneaky mafia. Well I have no idea who you were talking to bum but that wasn't me. Kinda creepy isn't it? Also what's this deal with soft-defending syllo?
Well someone came into the channel and said this, this matches with my logs.
So you're claiming you didn't?
Please join the channel so I can compare the hostnames, that should be enough.
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Heist is quite obviously scum.
##Vote Heist
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Btw, everyone should feel comfortable claiming to me.
I have a fake-claim, but it means that one of two people are lying.
you _need_ to tell me all your claims so I can make it work.
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Palmar wants me to claim my traits to him because he thinks I'm really suspicious. Do you guys trust him enough for me to do so or do you guys object?
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On August 17 2011 18:50 heist wrote: Palmar wants me to claim my traits to him because he thinks I'm really suspicious. Do you guys trust him enough for me to do so or do you guys object?
Why did you not just ask that in the mafia QT?
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On August 17 2011 18:51 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 18:50 heist wrote: Palmar wants me to claim my traits to him because he thinks I'm really suspicious. Do you guys trust him enough for me to do so or do you guys object? Why did you not just ask that in the mafia QT?
All your suspicions ride solely on the fact that you think I'm lying about mafia "heist". Let's see if other people are as convinced as you.
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On August 17 2011 18:55 heist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 18:51 Palmar wrote:On August 17 2011 18:50 heist wrote: Palmar wants me to claim my traits to him because he thinks I'm really suspicious. Do you guys trust him enough for me to do so or do you guys object? Why did you not just ask that in the mafia QT? All your suspicions ride solely on the fact that you think I'm lying about mafia "heist". Let's see if other people are as convinced as you.
no, your post sucked too.
Also, you're suspicious of me, which no townie should be at this point. I'm stupidly obvious as town.
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so your suspicions are fake, because you're scum.
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I'm fairly certain that Palmar is a townie, based on my conversations with him
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On August 17 2011 18:56 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 18:55 heist wrote:On August 17 2011 18:51 Palmar wrote:On August 17 2011 18:50 heist wrote: Palmar wants me to claim my traits to him because he thinks I'm really suspicious. Do you guys trust him enough for me to do so or do you guys object? Why did you not just ask that in the mafia QT? All your suspicions ride solely on the fact that you think I'm lying about mafia "heist". Let's see if other people are as convinced as you. no, your post sucked too. Also, you're suspicious of me, which no townie should be at this point. I'm stupidly obvious as town.
By all means kill off everyone who is hesitant to claim to you. Btw how did the location trace thing go?
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On August 17 2011 18:59 heist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 18:56 Palmar wrote:On August 17 2011 18:55 heist wrote:On August 17 2011 18:51 Palmar wrote:On August 17 2011 18:50 heist wrote: Palmar wants me to claim my traits to him because he thinks I'm really suspicious. Do you guys trust him enough for me to do so or do you guys object? Why did you not just ask that in the mafia QT? All your suspicions ride solely on the fact that you think I'm lying about mafia "heist". Let's see if other people are as convinced as you. no, your post sucked too. Also, you're suspicious of me, which no townie should be at this point. I'm stupidly obvious as town. By all means kill off everyone who is hesitant to claim to you. Btw how did the location trace thing go?
It concluded that you're smart enough to use a different hostmask when you realize you scumslipped.
Well done.
You've been stalling for half an hour to ask your scumbuddies how you should claim to me, now give it a rest and just claim.
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ROFL everyone pm palamr your traits if you think hes town. I think I just won the game?
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So erm...
I publically claimed a red house.
ON claimed red house to bum, and bum forwarded that information to me, without telling ON he had.
I then privately asked ON to claim to me, and he claimed red house to me.
Which is just... derp, because my house is red. Then he went on to correct himself. He claims he made a mistake, claiming the wrong role.
Twice.
Original Message From OriginalName: Screw you i just woke up T_T Show nested quote +Original Message From Palmar: Rofl, you screwed up bro, you screwed up bad. Original Message From OriginalName: OH FUCK I KEEP MIXING THEM UP. Yellow yellow yellow shit shit shit. Original Message From Palmar: Are you trolling me? Because I publicly claimed a red house in the thread. Original Message From OriginalName: Ill give you mine but i dont feel confortable just giving his out unless you give me adiquate proof other than random accusations that your confirmed town especially after that stunt of random voting me. My house is red however. Original Message From Palmar: interesting. Can I have your color then? And preferably his too? I think you should be fairly confident I'm town now. Original Message From OriginalName: I claimed my color and he claimed back. Original Message From Palmar: I'm confirmed town.
You MUST tell me if you claimed a trait to bumatlarge. Like, if you don't tell me that you're scum.
Preferably you tell me also which trait you claimed. But you MUST tell me if you did claim.
If you don't tell me that, then you're scum.
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