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Tackster is helping me co-host this game. Any questions can be directed towards him or myself.
Swedish House Mafia
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Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia.
The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play. I will not compensate for ignorance.
Rules:
Cheating:
Cheating includes (but is not limited to):
1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information.
2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town.
3. Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role.
4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles.
5. Posting screenshots of your inbox.
6. Posting any PM you receive from a host.
7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip.
8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts.
9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits.
10. Sharing accounts with other players. Only you may post on your account.
Cheating is not tolerated here. The punishment will be severe.
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On April 26 2011 13:22 mikeymoo wrote:
Smurfs must PM the host because TL doesn't allow multiple accounts otherwise. If the host is unaware of smurfs, you (and/or your smurf) can be banned for having multiple accounts.
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Play to win.
This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing.
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You have been warned.
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1. Voting is done in this thread. Please keep votes here, and only vote here. Do not PM me your vote.
2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote Qatol. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance.
3. No conditional voting.
4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game.
5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins.
6. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
Signups:
This game is open to anyone with preference for experienced players. Signups will remain open until all spots have been filled..
Game-specific rules:
Modkills:
This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment. If you want to use this game to sit out your ban, please PM Qatol or post in the Ban List.
Replacements
This game uses replacements. If a player is modkilled during the designated time, then they will be replaced by a player on the replacement list.
Clues:
There are no clues.
PMs
PMs are allowed in this game.
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This game will follow a (24 hour night/48 hour) day cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Currently the deadline is 21:00 GMT (+00:00), but that is subject to change.
Credits:
Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer.
Thanks to everyone who helped balance this game.
If you have not read all the rules, go back and do so. I will not compensate for ignorance!
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Signups:
1. Curu
2. TheCrimsonReaper
3. BrownBear
4. OriginalName
5. bumatlarge
6. syllogism
7. Palmar
8. heist
9. Sevryn
10. Mr. Wiggles
11. wherebugsgo
12. Varpulis
Replacements:
1. DropBear
2. Sknowman
3.
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Each player lives in one of the many house in this little town in Sweden. Its quite a multicultural town so everyone is from a different country in Europe. In addition everyone has a colour house and a different pet. Here is a list of all the traits in the game:
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Nationality:
Belgian
British
Dutch
French
German
Irish
Italian
Norwegian
Portuguese
Spanish
Swedish
Swiss
Pet
Budgie
Cat
Chicken
Cow
Duck
Dog
Fish
Hamster
Horse
Mouse
Parrot
Rabbit
Colour
Red
Orange
Yellow
Light Green
Dark Green
Teal
Light Blue
Dark Blue
Purple
Pink
White
Black
Here is a map of the town:
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This will be important for some location based clues later on. For example I might say 'Person A lives directly below Person B'
Roles:
Townie
You have no special powers. You win with Town.
Tracker
You can follow a trait and get information about who that person visits. You win with Town.
Watcher
You can watch a trait and get information about who visits that person. You win with Town.
Medic
You can visit a trait and stop them from dying. You win with Town.
Cop
You can find out the alignment of a trait. You win with Town.
Coroner
You can find the traits of a dead person each night. You win with Town.
Vigilante
You can shoot a trait during the night. You have X bullets. You win with Town.
Godfather
You may choose what traits to appear to have. You can change these once per cycle. You win with mafia.
Goon
You have no special powers. You win with mafia.
Stalker
You can choose to watch or track a trait. You win with mafia.
Roleblocker
You can roleblock a trait each night. You win with mafia.
Traitor
You don't know who the Mafia are and they don't know you. You win with Mafia.
Some, none or all of these roles may be in the game.
This game is going to have quite a large logic puzzle element. Everyone with have 4 traits, House number, Colour, Nationality and Pet. Everyone will know their house number and one other trait about themselves. All the roles work off of traits as opposed to names. Traits are not revealed on death. If anyone solves the puzzle, and PMs me the completed answer there is a special reward. However if you PM me the wrong solution you might regret it.
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 I really wish I could play in this one. It looks like so much fun. (Speaking as a subscriber to logic puzzles magazine....)
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This is a mini right?
If so
/in
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Also, won't a mass claim break this? The clues would instantly point to someone. Unless traits aren't exclusive.
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Ohhh, I like logic puzzles, is it ok if I play in this? I'm not great at mafia, but it looks fun. :-)
If so /in
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On August 14 2011 10:58 Curu wrote:
Also, won't a mass claim break this? The clues would instantly point to someone. Unless traits aren't exclusive.
You don't know all your own traits. Also massclaiming is bad because mafia can simply use it to solve the puzzle and get an overpowered ability.
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You couldn't have waited two weeks so I could play? -___-
Also TCR, what the hell, I thought you were going to wait for my next SNMM?
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On August 14 2011 11:07 GMarshal wrote:
You couldn't have waited two weeks so I could play? -___-
Also TCR, what the hell, I thought you were going to wait for my next SNMM?
You took too long.
Also you know how I like puzzles.
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lmaooo /in
and sevryn im sorry but if you are going to in then please be active, every game i have played with you you have lurked hard, its no fun when people barely play!
also check simpsons ur lurking in that too.
decon this game looks amazing.
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so to solve the puzzle you have to figure out which house u live in?
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goddammit if i wasn't already in one ongoing game and in 2 games currently signing up i'd totally be in.
will definitely be following this though.
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On August 14 2011 11:31 redFF wrote:
lmaooo /in
and sevryn im sorry but if you are going to in then please be active, every game i have played with you you have lurked hard, its no fun when people barely play!
also check simpsons ur lurking in that too.
decon this game looks amazing.
HOLY SHIT I FORGOT ABOUT SIMPSONS
THANK YOU SO MUCH KIND SIR
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/in, I'm always down for some good brain teasers 
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/in I too fall victim to what qatol said. I've been reading games mag since I was 7
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i am liking this playerlist so far. WHERE IS WIGGLES THE KING OF CLUES
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Seems interesting, wish I could join but I'm already in Werewolf mafia. I don't want to join 2 games at once.
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/in, I better be on syllo's team or this is going to suck massively
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oh wow and it's a pm game too
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derp (cause of post number, lol)
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I'd like to join, but I'm in werewolves as well.
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/in I wanna play :D I love mafia.
never played TL mafia though.
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XLIV is much more of a standard game, this is as much puzzle solving as it is mafia.
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Just one more!
*hops up and down*
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I just wanted to say I understand the pun in the name of this game and I laughed when I saw the title! That makes me cool, right?
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Just one more 
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/in
the other games that i'm signed up for are in signups and will be for a while, currently i'm only in WW.
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Bring on the logic puzzles
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This should be interesting. When can we expect roles?
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Game is full, roles going out in a bit.
Game will start with Night 1 at 21:00 GMT (+00:00) tomorrow.
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I'm here.
We can't start discussing till night 0 starts, right?
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Role list has been updated, make sure to check it.
Roles have been sent out. They have the following format:
You are a Blue Role
You live at Number 42, which is a Rainbow house.
You are a Townie
You live at Number 42, which is a Rainbow house.
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/confirm. And now I go to sleep. Thanks for designing the game and hosting this, Deconduo!
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Day 1
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This is just a short introductory day. There will be no voting today. The game will officially start with Night 1 at 21:00 GMT (+00:00) tomorrow. You may however start discussing and PMing now. Here are your clues for today:
The native English speakers don't have a fondness for birds.
One proud rodent owner lives next door to a Scandinavian
Rabbits don't like presidential style houses.
The person that loves primroses, the Italian and the occupant of number 7 each have a pet with four legs.
The owner of the pink house was born further south than the Dutch man and west of the cat owner.
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Finally.
So how do we kick this off?
Should we mass claim all our traits?
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Hi all - Co-host Tackster here. Dec and I tend to keep different sleep schedules so one of us should be on at most times. Feel free to PM me any issues or questions. xxx
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WHAT THE FUCK THERE IS NO ITALIANS!?!?!
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On August 16 2011 10:28 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:
Finally.
So how do we kick this off?
Should we mass claim all our traits?
How many traits do you have?
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On August 16 2011 10:55 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 10:28 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:
Finally.
So how do we kick this off?
Should we mass claim all our traits? How many traits do you have?
I know where I live and the color of my house. Those are considered traits, right?
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On August 16 2011 10:57 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 10:55 Curu wrote:On August 16 2011 10:28 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:
Finally.
So how do we kick this off?
Should we mass claim all our traits? How many traits do you have? I know where I live and the color of my house. Those are considered traits, right?
Yeah, those are the two I received as well.
I don't think we should claim traits, deconduo said Mafia gets some OP shit if they solve the puzzle.
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On August 16 2011 11:02 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 10:57 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:On August 16 2011 10:55 Curu wrote:On August 16 2011 10:28 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:
Finally.
So how do we kick this off?
Should we mass claim all our traits? How many traits do you have? I know where I live and the color of my house. Those are considered traits, right? Yeah, those are the two I received as well. I don't think we should claim traits, deconduo said Mafia gets some OP shit if they solve the puzzle.
Fair enough. Reading through the OP, what is a Budgie?
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On August 16 2011 11:04 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 11:02 Curu wrote:On August 16 2011 10:57 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:On August 16 2011 10:55 Curu wrote:On August 16 2011 10:28 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:
Finally.
So how do we kick this off?
Should we mass claim all our traits? How many traits do you have? I know where I live and the color of my house. Those are considered traits, right? Yeah, those are the two I received as well. I don't think we should claim traits, deconduo said Mafia gets some OP shit if they solve the puzzle. Fair enough. Reading through the OP, what is a Budgie?
![[image loading]](http://www.thebackshed.com/forum/uploads/Gizmo/2007-12-26_085350_ist2_2795867_yellow_and_green_budgie.jpg)
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On August 16 2011 11:07 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 11:04 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:On August 16 2011 11:02 Curu wrote:On August 16 2011 10:57 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:On August 16 2011 10:55 Curu wrote:On August 16 2011 10:28 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:
Finally.
So how do we kick this off?
Should we mass claim all our traits? How many traits do you have? I know where I live and the color of my house. Those are considered traits, right? Yeah, those are the two I received as well. I don't think we should claim traits, deconduo said Mafia gets some OP shit if they solve the puzzle. Fair enough. Reading through the OP, what is a Budgie?
Thank you kindly sir ^_^
I googled it and only found a band name.
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There was a minor typo in one of the clues, it has now been fixed:
The owner of the pink house was born further south than the Dutch man and west of the cat owner. All their house numbers are odd.
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/confirm, time to do some thinking :D
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Are we playing the quiet game?
Because in that case I lose
Lets get talking, we've determined that we shouldn't mass claim traits. How about if we are going to be lynched? Should we claim then? In PM?
Do we want to set up a series of limited claim cells to magnify our information? or is that too prone to giving mafia more information?
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my bad, I was asleep.
/confirm
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So wait is there only one big puzzle, or one per day? Are we supposed to be able to solve today's puzzle based on the information given and possibly some additional trait information?
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I suppose the puzzle is to figure out where everyone lives
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Doesn't appear like there's enough information today to solve the puzzle today even with mass claim, at least if figuring out where everyone lives isn't enough. Regardless, feel free to mass claim to me~
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You live at Number 6, which is a Red house.
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On August 16 2011 16:28 syllogism wrote:
I suppose the puzzle is to figure out where everyone lives
you have until day 2. Figure it out and help us, or you're mafia.
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palmargard on skype
Palmar on quakenet (can find me in #TLMafia and #loonybin)
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Don't claim traits in the thread, ever
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you suck syllo
Also, mass claim to me instead.
I'm just that awesome.
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I'm not claiming shit until we get a legitimate plan beyond "hey guys let's just mass claim and see if we can figure things out!" It's a really stupid strategy.
We can definitely start trying to figure out who is who - I know that I at least only got a role and house #, so I guess we have to figure out what other traits WE have in addition to what traits scum have. In that case, the last clue seems to be the most helpful, since it covers positioning, which we already know.
oh, and /confirm.
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I asked decon, and it turns out even mafia NK(s) targets traits, so they can't target specific players unless they know one of their traits.
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On August 16 2011 15:02 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:
Are we playing the quiet game?
Because in that case I lose
Lets get talking, we've determined that we shouldn't mass claim traits. How about if we are going to be lynched? Should we claim then? In PM?
Do we want to set up a series of limited claim cells to magnify our information? or is that too prone to giving mafia more information?
I think you're scum.
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charles.suo on Skype btw, add me because PMs are annoying.
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Palmar, you seem so random.
thecrimsonreaper1 on Skype, add me if you want to chat.
Now that we are done giving out skypes and other such things can we keep the majority of communication in the thread? Nothing sucks *quite* as much as reading over the thread and not being able to figure anything out because of these little cliques of people who don't post because its more fun to IM
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On August 16 2011 20:37 syllogism wrote:
I asked decon, and it turns out even mafia NK(s) targets traits, so they can't target specific players unless they know one of their traits.
Deconduo, can you confirm this?
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On August 17 2011 04:38 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 20:37 syllogism wrote:
I asked decon, and it turns out even mafia NK(s) targets traits, so they can't target specific players unless they know one of their traits. Deconduo, can you confirm this?
hi scum
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On August 17 2011 04:43 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 04:38 bumatlarge wrote:On August 16 2011 20:37 syllogism wrote:
I asked decon, and it turns out even mafia NK(s) targets traits, so they can't target specific players unless they know one of their traits. Deconduo, can you confirm this? hi scum
Then vote for me and stop spamming.
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On August 16 2011 17:39 Palmar wrote:
You live at Number 6, which is a Red house.
The paintjob is kinda shitty imo.
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On August 17 2011 04:45 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 17:39 Palmar wrote:
You live at Number 6, which is a Red house. The paintjob is kinda shitty imo.
Oh wait i read that wrong .-.
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I thought everyone received two traits. And judging from the responses, I'm pretty sure all of us got house # and color. Can someone speak up if this is wrong? I strongly recommend that blue roles interact with only these traits at the moment.
The mafia have probably already consolidated all their information. Because we are limited to only our individual clues, mafia will solve the puzzle before us. This implies that town at some point will have to share information.
Mass claim to even the playing field? No. Not because it'll let the mafia solve the puzzle (they already have an advantage) but because there is no way to enforce the truth. Mafia can easily switch traits with their buddies and hopelessly confuse the entire town.
So far, all the mafia know are the house # and color of everyone non-mafia. This gives town a big, big advantage. Theoretically, all the blue roles can claim a night action publicly. Since mafia will have to follow traits, the best they can do is take a crap shoot into the entire town pool.
That is, if no one claims. So I strongly urge that no one claims anything to anyone (even PMs) at least for this day and the first night.
This doesn't mean I'm supporting all the blues outing themselves. If you are a blue DO NOT CLAIM because you think you are "anonymous". Let's first discuss blue policy because we have a lot of leeway in their protection even after they reveal.
Personally, I think the best solution is just the DT revealing himself after the night. He can't reveal any of his traits. In fact no one else should know anyone else's traits. We all mass claim to him in PMs. Feel free to try and help him with the clues. If his checks turn out scum, we lynch. If they turn out town, the DT can tell everyone this person is confirmed townie. And since no one knows the town's traits, he is relatively safe. The DT also then has someone to share his clues with. He'll have to sort through the mafia lies as best he can. This is the best way I see of countering the innate mafia advantage has in the puzzle solving department while also taking advantage of the "traits" mechanic.
One more thing of an unrelated note. Don't assume you know which houses are which # based on the layout. I asked.
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I was gonna mention that as well, I got house+color as well.
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I think it's inevitable for mafia to eventually fakeclaim this game. That's the advantage they have is they are not checkable, only via traits, just like town is killable only through traits.
I think it would be best for a mass roleclaim right now. As soon as deconduo answers the question. Us being able to lynch individuals but scum only being able to shoot traits is pretty big for town. It's just important to look towards how we would sort everything out.
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On August 17 2011 05:05 bumatlarge wrote:
I think it's inevitable for mafia to eventually fakeclaim this game. That's the advantage they have is they are not checkable, only via traits, just like town is killable only through traits.
I think it would be best for a mass roleclaim right now. As soon as deconduo answers the question. Us being able to lynch individuals but scum only being able to shoot traits is pretty big for town. It's just important to look towards how we would sort everything out.
I don't get it, what is the benefit of roleclaiming?
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On August 17 2011 05:25 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 05:05 bumatlarge wrote:
I think it's inevitable for mafia to eventually fakeclaim this game. That's the advantage they have is they are not checkable, only via traits, just like town is killable only through traits.
I think it would be best for a mass roleclaim right now. As soon as deconduo answers the question. Us being able to lynch individuals but scum only being able to shoot traits is pretty big for town. It's just important to look towards how we would sort everything out. I don't get it, what is the benefit of roleclaiming?
Not being shot because you roleclaim, the whole reason behind not claiming in normal games. That isn't a factor here if what syllo says is true. Either way this flops, this puts massive suspicion on syllogism for asking that question. I'm not certain how you would know to ask that or why you are asking it privately. Please exlain your reasoning syllo, and until then Im putting my vote on you.
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That is if we were even able to vote now... :X
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Why are people claiming this kind of thing to anybody, if anything waiting for D2 clues to pop up is a much better idea to solve the puzzle. In the mean time we should be hunting scum and actually trying to play the game.
The sub game is starting to distract us from our goal of finding scum. We need to start actually hunting.
Palmar is just acting abnormally imo, all he wants is claims and does really nothing to make him confirmed or anything. Palmar I want an explanation on why you've been acting the way you are.
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I don't like mass-claiming.
I think one of wiggles, on and brownbear is scum.
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Bumatlarge is town, I think
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Me too, and palmar is town methinks. I think heist might have slipped or something on IRC cause after I suggested mafia would do better with all the traits in the open he said "three heads are better then one" where no one has mentioned mafia numbers. I mean 3 is a logical assumption but still puts him on my radar. Still waiting for syllo or deconduo to come back and explain the mafia KP.
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On August 17 2011 04:38 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 20:37 syllogism wrote:
I asked decon, and it turns out even mafia NK(s) targets traits, so they can't target specific players unless they know one of their traits. Deconduo, can you confirm this?
Yes
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On August 17 2011 06:32 bumatlarge wrote:
Me too, and palmar is town methinks. I think heist might have slipped or something on IRC cause after I suggested mafia would do better with all the traits in the open he said "three heads are better then one" where no one has mentioned mafia numbers. I mean 3 is a logical assumption but still puts him on my radar. Still waiting for syllo or deconduo to come back and explain the mafia KP.
Interesting, do you have logs of that "slip" ?
And the mafia kp has now been confirmed, care to explain how your plan helps us more than the mafia?
What makes you think palmar is town? So far all I've seen from him are a couple random FoS...
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Night 1
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Here are your clues for Night 1:
The House numbers are arranged in a logical order.
Big Brother is watching you.
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Excellent, now mafia has no way of picking individuals off. None of their roles can pinpoint a person's traits, unless that person claims. If we can force everyone to claim, we can figure out exactly how the next few days are going to play out. It will involve a lot of speculation to put to good use in actually winning the game, but it pressures mafia into claiming. And if you don't like it or see a flaw somewhere, don't claim. This is still effective for town with only some claims.
I am a Coroner. I feel no danger for me claiming because I think its quite obvious that I'm blue at this point. Even if no one claims after me, I'll still be alive unless mafia gets lucky or a lot of people spill a lot of beans. Mine is a bit weaker earlier because I require dead people to function, but I'll be very useful later.
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On August 17 2011 06:32 bumatlarge wrote:
Me too, and palmar is town methinks. I think heist might have slipped or something on IRC cause after I suggested mafia would do better with all the traits in the open he said "three heads are better then one" where no one has mentioned mafia numbers. I mean 3 is a logical assumption but still puts him on my radar. Still waiting for syllo or deconduo to come back and explain the mafia KP.
Oh very funny mafia. Guys I haven't been on IRC. Silly scum not knowing the difference between then/than.
Bum why should everyone be roleclaiming? There's still an element of risk involved and it's not like we can trust anyone who claims. I sincerely hope no one rashly claims to these "blues", at least not yet. The one assumption that I'll make is that there is only 1 DT (which is a high probability for a 12 man game). The only person I'll trust is the DT and that's if no else counterclaims.
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On August 17 2011 07:13 heist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 06:32 bumatlarge wrote:
Me too, and palmar is town methinks. I think heist might have slipped or something on IRC cause after I suggested mafia would do better with all the traits in the open he said "three heads are better then one" where no one has mentioned mafia numbers. I mean 3 is a logical assumption but still puts him on my radar. Still waiting for syllo or deconduo to come back and explain the mafia KP. Oh very funny mafia. Guys I haven't been on IRC. Silly scum not knowing the difference between then/than. Bum why should everyone be roleclaiming? There's still an element of risk involved and it's not like we can trust anyone who claims. I sincerely hope no one rashly claims to these "blues", at least not yet. The one assumption that I'll make is that there is only 1 DT (which is a high probability for a 12 man game). The only person I'll trust is the DT and that's if no else counterclaims.
So you are denying having said anything on IRC? Does anyone have logs?
Also why the hell would you trust a dt claim, you know nothing about the balance, maybe there are no dts at all... maybe there are two and two traitors to balance it out. Claims are unreliable because we have no way of verifying them, thus mafia is free to claim whatever they want.
I for one have no intention of claiming unless its going to help the town.
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why does claiming help us in any way at all?
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yes i deny.
and yes I'm assuming we have a DT because it's a staple in almost all games. Of all the blue roles to be included I highly doubt cop will be excluded. So if one person claims cop I'm more inclined to believe him more than any other role. In a 12 man game, it's also highly unlikely that we have more than 1 cop. It'll be incredibly risky for mafia to fakeclaim cop, almost guaranteeing a 1 for 1 trade.
But yeah those are the risks, you have to act on a little bit of assumption.
Otherwise no one trusts any roleclaims and we are not abusing the trait mechanic at all nor are we consolidating any trait clues to try and beat mafia in the puzzle game. I still support ONLY the DT revealing himself because only the DT can confirm more townies and it's the most likely of roles. Because of the risks, however, i can understand if we are against putting all faith into the one person who claims DT. This is just my input because it has a lot of upside.
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alright, i'm going to follow up my previous question with a scenario: Day 2 or 3, enough clues have been posted that people can start to figure out who everybody is by trait. It's at that point when blues will be most useful because they can target specific people rather than attributes.
If we all claim, by the time blues become capable of checking/protecting/shooting the right people consistently, they'll be dead. No claims please.
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bum's claim is very easily verifiable.
so screw that, I'm just a townie.
Can we lynch ON now?
##Vote OriginalName
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Ok, I'm back.
Firstly, there is no guarantee that there is a cop in this game. There have been plenty of games on TL without cops/DTs, in favor of more Protection favoured roles, or more of the weaker investigative roles.
Next, I was actually going to suggest revealing one of your traits so that blues could target people, but it seems that mafia can only target by trait as well.
What do people think about getting specific scummy people to claim one of their traits before/during the night, if we want a vig/cop to shoot/check them? Mafia can't fake-claim, as all traits are used and unique, and they would be counter-claimed. The only fake-claim they can use, is the traits of one of their teammates, which doesn't really help them either, as they'll still come back red to a DT check, or else one of their scumbuddies will be dead, and town will get a 2 for 1 deal. Anyone flat-out refusing to give up a trait for check is probably scum, and can be lynched the next day. Any thoughts on this plan?
I'm also interested in seeing if bum can provide logs of heist from IRC, and if anyone else in the IRC can confirm his allegations.
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I should have logs, but it's past midnight here, I can dig it up tomorrow.
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On August 17 2011 07:45 heist wrote:
yes i deny.
and yes I'm assuming we have a DT because it's a staple in almost all games. Of all the blue roles to be included I highly doubt cop will be excluded. So if one person claims cop I'm more inclined to believe him more than any other role. In a 12 man game, it's also highly unlikely that we have more than 1 cop. It'll be incredibly risky for mafia to fakeclaim cop, almost guaranteeing a 1 for 1 trade.
But yeah those are the risks, you have to act on a little bit of assumption.
Otherwise no one trusts any roleclaims and we are not abusing the trait mechanic at all nor are we consolidating any trait clues to try and beat mafia in the puzzle game. I still support ONLY the DT revealing himself because only the DT can confirm more townies and it's the most likely of roles. Because of the risks, however, i can understand if we are against putting all faith into the one person who claims DT. This is just my input because it has a lot of upside.
Hm, with that said, I find it very hard to believe that what you say is true. You were never on at the same time, then to show up later and have the other one log off is fishy. And this is a a small scum slip thats very hard to plan. You didn't just outright say the number, you said "3 heads are better then 1". Sorry heist, I can't really go with your story unless someone else has verifiable proof otherwise.
And the way that "heist" soft-defended syllo was odd as well. If that "heist" is confirmed scum, then it doesn't look good for syllo either.
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Palmar's public IRC
[16:36] <bumatlarge> for info
[16:36] <bumatlarge> information that wouldn'
[16:36] <bumatlarge> really affect
[16:36] <bumatlarge> mafia knowing it
[16:37] <bumatlarge> the only thing massclaiming does is letting mafia know how many and what blues we have
[16:37] <bumatlarge> they cant do anything about it
[16:40] <heist> right, but what if/when traits start to come out publicly, won't that help the mafia?
[16:41] <bumatlarge> thats the part im trying to figure out
[16:42] <bumatlarge> blues aren't useful unless someone reveals traits
[16:42] <bumatlarge> and to reveal traits
[16:42] <bumatlarge> means then mafia can start to work things out
[16:42] <bumatlarge> a lot faster then town can
[16:42] <heist> right, three heads working together
[16:44] <bumatlarge> ?
[16:44] <bumatlarge> we know there are three mafia?
[16:44] <bumatlarge> :X
[16:45] <heist> I assume
[16:46] <heist> 12 people
[16:46] <heist> standard
[16:46] <heist> 2 would be too weak
[16:46] <heist> 4 makes lylo too fast
[16:46] <bumatlarge> yeah but we dont know if traitors are in play
[16:47] <heist> right
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On August 17 2011 09:02 Palmar wrote:
bum's claim is very easily verifiable.
so screw that, I'm just a townie.
Can we lynch ON now?
##Vote OriginalName
Its night phase. So no you cant. Nor can you lynch me during the day, that would be a move that you would indeed regret ._.
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No one is dead so I can't do anything :D D:
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On August 17 2011 10:05 bumatlarge wrote:Palmar's public IRC Show nested quote +
[16:36] <bumatlarge> for info
[16:36] <bumatlarge> information that wouldn'
[16:36] <bumatlarge> really affect
[16:36] <bumatlarge> mafia knowing it
[16:37] <bumatlarge> the only thing massclaiming does is letting mafia know how many and what blues we have
[16:37] <bumatlarge> they cant do anything about it
[16:40] <heist> right, but what if/when traits start to come out publicly, won't that help the mafia?
[16:41] <bumatlarge> thats the part im trying to figure out
[16:42] <bumatlarge> blues aren't useful unless someone reveals traits
[16:42] <bumatlarge> and to reveal traits
[16:42] <bumatlarge> means then mafia can start to work things out
[16:42] <bumatlarge> a lot faster then town can
[16:42] <heist> right, three heads working together
[16:44] <bumatlarge> ?
[16:44] <bumatlarge> we know there are three mafia?
[16:44] <bumatlarge> :X
[16:45] <heist> I assume
[16:46] <heist> 12 people
[16:46] <heist> standard
[16:46] <heist> 2 would be too weak
[16:46] <heist> 4 makes lylo too fast
[16:46] <bumatlarge> yeah but we dont know if traitors are in play
[16:47] <heist> right
Sneaky mafia. Well I have no idea who you were talking to bum but that wasn't me. Kinda creepy isn't it? Also what's this deal with soft-defending syllo?
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On August 17 2011 11:11 heist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 10:05 bumatlarge wrote:Palmar's public IRC
[16:36] <bumatlarge> for info
[16:36] <bumatlarge> information that wouldn'
[16:36] <bumatlarge> really affect
[16:36] <bumatlarge> mafia knowing it
[16:37] <bumatlarge> the only thing massclaiming does is letting mafia know how many and what blues we have
[16:37] <bumatlarge> they cant do anything about it
[16:40] <heist> right, but what if/when traits start to come out publicly, won't that help the mafia?
[16:41] <bumatlarge> thats the part im trying to figure out
[16:42] <bumatlarge> blues aren't useful unless someone reveals traits
[16:42] <bumatlarge> and to reveal traits
[16:42] <bumatlarge> means then mafia can start to work things out
[16:42] <bumatlarge> a lot faster then town can
[16:42] <heist> right, three heads working together
[16:44] <bumatlarge> ?
[16:44] <bumatlarge> we know there are three mafia?
[16:44] <bumatlarge> :X
[16:45] <heist> I assume
[16:46] <heist> 12 people
[16:46] <heist> standard
[16:46] <heist> 2 would be too weak
[16:46] <heist> 4 makes lylo too fast
[16:46] <bumatlarge> yeah but we dont know if traitors are in play
[16:47] <heist> right
Sneaky mafia. Well I have no idea who you were talking to bum but that wasn't me. Kinda creepy isn't it? Also what's this deal with soft-defending syllo?
Because syllo asked that question with dec privately it got us thinking about why he would ask that, and we thought he might be mafia, when I told "you", you were pretty surprised and were very adamant on figuring why I suggested it.
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Do you perhaps have the log of this part of the conversation? I'd like to see for myself exactly how "heist" reacted. Because frankly, I don't see anything too suspicious of PMing the host a question, and he did reveal it to everyone instead of keeping it to himself because it's knowledge that really benefits town.
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Oh heist why you scumslip so much?
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is the day one puzzle solvable with the info we have now?
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On August 17 2011 04:52 heist wrote:
So far, all the mafia know are the house # and color of everyone non-mafia.
Nice scum slip wtf rofl.
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Heist why you gotta be so scummy?
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that's two slips. I guess I'm convinced.
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On August 17 2011 13:18 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 04:52 heist wrote:
So far, all the mafia know are the house # and color of everyone non-mafia.
Nice scum slip wtf rofl.
holy shit i didnt notice that voting for heist as soon as its day
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Oh and in light of that slip I'd advise no one else to claim openly. Feel free to claim to me though, official confirmed Town baller status right here.
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On August 17 2011 13:29 Curu wrote:
Oh and in light of that slip I'd advise no one else to claim openly. Feel free to claim to me though, official confirmed Town baller status right here.
Sorry how are you confirmed town?
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Also for any Medics out there, I live in house 10. Come for a fun time  .
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On August 17 2011 13:32 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 13:29 Curu wrote:
Oh and in light of that slip I'd advise no one else to claim openly. Feel free to claim to me though, official confirmed Town baller status right here. Sorry how are you confirmed town?
You really think I'd bus a teammate on the first night of the game? Nope.
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On August 17 2011 13:23 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 13:18 Curu wrote:On August 17 2011 04:52 heist wrote:
So far, all the mafia know are the house # and color of everyone non-mafia.
Nice scum slip wtf rofl. holy shit i didnt notice that voting for heist as soon as its day
Really guys?
On August 16 2011 10:01 deconduo wrote:Role list has been updated, make sure to check it.
Roles have been sent out. They have the following format:
On August 16 2011 10:57 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 10:55 Curu wrote:On August 16 2011 10:28 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:
Finally.
So how do we kick this off?
Should we mass claim all our traits? How many traits do you have? I know where I live and the color of my house. Those are considered traits, right?
On August 16 2011 11:02 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 10:57 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:On August 16 2011 10:55 Curu wrote:On August 16 2011 10:28 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:
Finally.
So how do we kick this off?
Should we mass claim all our traits? How many traits do you have? I know where I live and the color of my house. Those are considered traits, right? Yeah, those are the two I received as well. I don't think we should claim traits, deconduo said Mafia gets some OP shit if they solve the puzzle.
On August 16 2011 17:39 Palmar wrote:
You live at Number 6, which is a Red house.
On August 16 2011 19:02 BrownBear wrote:
I'm not claiming shit until we get a legitimate plan beyond "hey guys let's just mass claim and see if we can figure things out!" It's a really stupid strategy.
We can definitely start trying to figure out who is who - I know that I at least only got a role and house #, so I guess we have to figure out what other traits WE have in addition to what traits scum have. In that case, the last clue seems to be the most helpful, since it covers positioning, which we already know.
oh, and /confirm.
Not to mention myself and NO ONE saying anything otherwise at the time.
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Yeah, but no one knows anyone else's house number or colour. Thanks for telling us your Mafia team does though. Puts an end to this openly claim blue business.
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On August 17 2011 13:33 heist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 13:23 Sevryn wrote:On August 17 2011 13:18 Curu wrote:On August 17 2011 04:52 heist wrote:
So far, all the mafia know are the house # and color of everyone non-mafia.
Nice scum slip wtf rofl. holy shit i didnt notice that voting for heist as soon as its day Really guys? Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 10:01 deconduo wrote:Role list has been updated, make sure to check it.
Roles have been sent out. They have the following format:You are a Blue Role
You live at Number 42, which is a Rainbow house. You are a Townie
You live at Number 42, which is a Rainbow house. Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 10:57 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:On August 16 2011 10:55 Curu wrote:On August 16 2011 10:28 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:
Finally.
So how do we kick this off?
Should we mass claim all our traits? How many traits do you have? I know where I live and the color of my house. Those are considered traits, right? Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 11:02 Curu wrote:On August 16 2011 10:57 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:On August 16 2011 10:55 Curu wrote:On August 16 2011 10:28 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:
Finally.
So how do we kick this off?
Should we mass claim all our traits? How many traits do you have? I know where I live and the color of my house. Those are considered traits, right? Yeah, those are the two I received as well. I don't think we should claim traits, deconduo said Mafia gets some OP shit if they solve the puzzle. Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 17:39 Palmar wrote:
You live at Number 6, which is a Red house. Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 19:02 BrownBear wrote:
I'm not claiming shit until we get a legitimate plan beyond "hey guys let's just mass claim and see if we can figure things out!" It's a really stupid strategy.
We can definitely start trying to figure out who is who - I know that I at least only got a role and house #, so I guess we have to figure out what other traits WE have in addition to what traits scum have. In that case, the last clue seems to be the most helpful, since it covers positioning, which we already know.
oh, and /confirm. Not to mention myself and NO ONE saying anything otherwise at the time.
What you said was that the mafia know the house # and color of everyone who isn't scum. Are you going to deny saying that too? How do you know that the mafia knows where we live if you aren't scum?
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On August 17 2011 13:34 Curu wrote:
Yeah, but no one knows anyone else's house number or colour. Thanks for telling us your Mafia team does though. Puts an end to this openly claim blue business.
Who knows other people's house number or colour other than yours or Palmar's (if you guys are telling the truth)? I just said mafia knows the house numbers and color of everyone non-mafia which seems pretty logical if everyone is given house # and color.
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On August 17 2011 13:37 heist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 13:34 Curu wrote:
Yeah, but no one knows anyone else's house number or colour. Thanks for telling us your Mafia team does though. Puts an end to this openly claim blue business. Who knows other people's house number or colour other than yours or Palmar's (if you guys are telling the truth)? I just said mafia knows the house numbers and color of everyone non-mafia which seems pretty logical if everyone is given house # and color.
Nope. Better tell your team to shoot me tonight scum.
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I wouldn't call heist out on that, he already speculated that at exactly the same time as I did. Read through the entire post again, I think it's actually one of the reasonable conclusions reached in this game.
On August 17 2011 04:52 heist wrote:
I thought everyone received two traits. And judging from the responses, I'm pretty sure all of us got house # and color. Can someone speak up if this is wrong? I strongly recommend that blue roles interact with only these traits at the moment.
The mafia have probably already consolidated all their information. Because we are limited to only our individual clues, mafia will solve the puzzle before us. This implies that town at some point will have to share information.
Mass claim to even the playing field? No. Not because it'll let the mafia solve the puzzle (they already have an advantage) but because there is no way to enforce the truth. Mafia can easily switch traits with their buddies and hopelessly confuse the entire town.
So far, all the mafia know are the house # and color of everyone non-mafia. This gives town a big, big advantage. Theoretically, all the blue roles can claim a night action publicly. Since mafia will have to follow traits, the best they can do is take a crap shoot into the entire town pool.
That is, if no one claims. So I strongly urge that no one claims anything to anyone (even PMs) at least for this day and the first night.
This doesn't mean I'm supporting all the blues outing themselves. If you are a blue DO NOT CLAIM because you think you are "anonymous". Let's first discuss blue policy because we have a lot of leeway in their protection even after they reveal.
Personally, I think the best solution is just the DT revealing himself after the night. He can't reveal any of his traits. In fact no one else should know anyone else's traits. We all mass claim to him in PMs. Feel free to try and help him with the clues. If his checks turn out scum, we lynch. If they turn out town, the DT can tell everyone this person is confirmed townie. And since no one knows the town's traits, he is relatively safe. The DT also then has someone to share his clues with. He'll have to sort through the mafia lies as best he can. This is the best way I see of countering the innate mafia advantage has in the puzzle solving department while also taking advantage of the "traits" mechanic.
One more thing of an unrelated note. Don't assume you know which houses are which # based on the layout. I asked.
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On August 17 2011 13:38 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 13:37 heist wrote:On August 17 2011 13:34 Curu wrote:
Yeah, but no one knows anyone else's house number or colour. Thanks for telling us your Mafia team does though. Puts an end to this openly claim blue business. Who knows other people's house number or colour other than yours or Palmar's (if you guys are telling the truth)? I just said mafia knows the house numbers and color of everyone non-mafia which seems pretty logical if everyone is given house # and color. Nope. Better tell your team to shoot me tonight scum.
You realize they can't because they DONT KNOW YOUR FUCKING TRAITS. THATS WHY BLUE CLAIMING IS SAFE FHSKDJAKSDGJ
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1. Everyone is given house # and color.
2. Scum shares trait info with each other.
3. Everything not belonging to them belongs to town.
4. Thus mafia knows all the house #s and colors which belong to town.
When did I ever say mafia knew the specifics of each individual? Never. Context clues ffs.
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On August 17 2011 13:44 heist wrote:
1. Everyone is given house # and color.
2. Scum shares trait info with each other.
3. Everything not belonging to them belongs to town.
4. Thus mafia knows all the house #s and colors which belong to town.
When did I ever say mafia knew the specifics of each individual? Never. Context clues ffs.
How do you know mafia are given house # and colors? Where does it say that? (Sincere question, if its in the OP I must have missed it)
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On August 17 2011 13:47 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 13:44 heist wrote:
1. Everyone is given house # and color.
2. Scum shares trait info with each other.
3. Everything not belonging to them belongs to town.
4. Thus mafia knows all the house #s and colors which belong to town.
When did I ever say mafia knew the specifics of each individual? Never. Context clues ffs.
How do you know mafia are given house # and colors? Where does it say that? (Sincere question, if its in the OP I must have missed it)
Why would I think they didn't when every indication so far had people receiving only house # and color? In fact, it would be a bigger assumption to assume that mafia didn't receive house # and color. And besides that's not even important to the point I was making which was that if none of the town spills the beans, blues are relatively safe. It frankly doesn't even matter what traits mafia received. Even better if they got mixed traits. Then no trait is completely safe.to target.
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Actually now that I think, it makes a lot of sense for the hosts to give out the same traits. Otherwise, mafia can very well shoot themselves.
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On August 17 2011 13:43 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 13:38 Curu wrote:On August 17 2011 13:37 heist wrote:On August 17 2011 13:34 Curu wrote:
Yeah, but no one knows anyone else's house number or colour. Thanks for telling us your Mafia team does though. Puts an end to this openly claim blue business. Who knows other people's house number or colour other than yours or Palmar's (if you guys are telling the truth)? I just said mafia knows the house numbers and color of everyone non-mafia which seems pretty logical if everyone is given house # and color. Nope. Better tell your team to shoot me tonight scum. You realize they can't because they DONT KNOW YOUR FUCKING TRAITS. THATS WHY BLUE CLAIMING IS SAFE FHSKDJAKSDGJ
Um, heist just told you his Mafia team knows the two traits of everyone in Town. So blue claiming is not safe.
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On August 17 2011 14:02 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 13:43 bumatlarge wrote:On August 17 2011 13:38 Curu wrote:On August 17 2011 13:37 heist wrote:On August 17 2011 13:34 Curu wrote:
Yeah, but no one knows anyone else's house number or colour. Thanks for telling us your Mafia team does though. Puts an end to this openly claim blue business. Who knows other people's house number or colour other than yours or Palmar's (if you guys are telling the truth)? I just said mafia knows the house numbers and color of everyone non-mafia which seems pretty logical if everyone is given house # and color. Nope. Better tell your team to shoot me tonight scum. You realize they can't because they DONT KNOW YOUR FUCKING TRAITS. THATS WHY BLUE CLAIMING IS SAFE FHSKDJAKSDGJ Um, heist just told you his Mafia team knows the two traits of everyone in Town. So blue claiming is not safe.
No I didn't.
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Upon reread, I may retract my statement of scum slip.
Might have been a case of premature ejaculation on my part.
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Yeah scum knowing one trait of everyone in town would give them an absurd amount of information.
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This game is awesome.
So... are we doing the roleclaim thing? I'm still unconvinced, bum, sorry The traditional mafia player in me feels really weird about mass claiming at night when mafia can use the information to influence their hits. Who knows - maybe mafia knows something we don't.
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It's kind of interesting though, after rereading heist's posts several times, I kinda get what he's saying.
Mafia kill by aiming at traits, right? In which case, they don't find out who they've targeted unless they know which trait belongs to who. Basically the person who dies in the morning (at least for the first few nights) is a mystery even to the mafia. Traits aren't revealed on death...so coroner is important, as mafia will know one? trait that belonged to the dead person.
IF mafia were given house number and color like everyone else, they know which colors/houses NOT to pick, and basically that the rest of the pool belongs to the town.
Here I can somewhat understand why it's initially "safe" to claim: if you claim, the mafia actually can't kill you unless they know one of your traits. Right?
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I gleaned from it. So protect traits...but at the same time town will need to figure out a system to share traits to solve the puzzle right?
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I will honestly be very surprised if it gets to the point where the puzzle can be solved before the game ends, but it depends on the amount of clues given each day/night. Even if everyone mass claimed their known traits right now, there would still be a knowledge defecit, because im fairy certain you cant figure out country/pet just by clues.
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On August 17 2011 05:35 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 05:25 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:On August 17 2011 05:05 bumatlarge wrote:
I think it's inevitable for mafia to eventually fakeclaim this game. That's the advantage they have is they are not checkable, only via traits, just like town is killable only through traits.
I think it would be best for a mass roleclaim right now. As soon as deconduo answers the question. Us being able to lynch individuals but scum only being able to shoot traits is pretty big for town. It's just important to look towards how we would sort everything out. I don't get it, what is the benefit of roleclaiming? Not being shot because you roleclaim, the whole reason behind not claiming in normal games. That isn't a factor here if what syllo says is true. Either way this flops, this puts massive suspicion on syllogism for asking that question. I'm not certain how you would know to ask that or why you are asking it privately. Please exlain your reasoning syllo, and until then Im putting my vote on you.
Haha are you kidding me? If I was scum, I would have NEVER told the town. You can call it wifom, but as you can see it is definitely not earning me any town cred so far. As for why I asked the question, it was the logical question to ask based on all the roles targetting traits as well.
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On August 17 2011 11:11 heist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 10:05 bumatlarge wrote:Palmar's public IRC
[16:36] <bumatlarge> for info
[16:36] <bumatlarge> information that wouldn'
[16:36] <bumatlarge> really affect
[16:36] <bumatlarge> mafia knowing it
[16:37] <bumatlarge> the only thing massclaiming does is letting mafia know how many and what blues we have
[16:37] <bumatlarge> they cant do anything about it
[16:40] <heist> right, but what if/when traits start to come out publicly, won't that help the mafia?
[16:41] <bumatlarge> thats the part im trying to figure out
[16:42] <bumatlarge> blues aren't useful unless someone reveals traits
[16:42] <bumatlarge> and to reveal traits
[16:42] <bumatlarge> means then mafia can start to work things out
[16:42] <bumatlarge> a lot faster then town can
[16:42] <heist> right, three heads working together
[16:44] <bumatlarge> ?
[16:44] <bumatlarge> we know there are three mafia?
[16:44] <bumatlarge> :X
[16:45] <heist> I assume
[16:46] <heist> 12 people
[16:46] <heist> standard
[16:46] <heist> 2 would be too weak
[16:46] <heist> 4 makes lylo too fast
[16:46] <bumatlarge> yeah but we dont know if traitors are in play
[16:47] <heist> right
Sneaky mafia. Well I have no idea who you were talking to bum but that wasn't me. Kinda creepy isn't it? Also what's this deal with soft-defending syllo?
Well someone came into the channel and said this, this matches with my logs.
So you're claiming you didn't?
Please join the channel so I can compare the hostnames, that should be enough.
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Heist is quite obviously scum.
##Vote Heist
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Btw, everyone should feel comfortable claiming to me.
I have a fake-claim, but it means that one of two people are lying.
you _need_ to tell me all your claims so I can make it work.
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Palmar wants me to claim my traits to him because he thinks I'm really suspicious. Do you guys trust him enough for me to do so or do you guys object?
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On August 17 2011 18:50 heist wrote:
Palmar wants me to claim my traits to him because he thinks I'm really suspicious. Do you guys trust him enough for me to do so or do you guys object?
Why did you not just ask that in the mafia QT?
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On August 17 2011 18:51 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 18:50 heist wrote:
Palmar wants me to claim my traits to him because he thinks I'm really suspicious. Do you guys trust him enough for me to do so or do you guys object? Why did you not just ask that in the mafia QT?
All your suspicions ride solely on the fact that you think I'm lying about mafia "heist". Let's see if other people are as convinced as you.
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On August 17 2011 18:55 heist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 18:51 Palmar wrote:On August 17 2011 18:50 heist wrote:
Palmar wants me to claim my traits to him because he thinks I'm really suspicious. Do you guys trust him enough for me to do so or do you guys object? Why did you not just ask that in the mafia QT? All your suspicions ride solely on the fact that you think I'm lying about mafia "heist". Let's see if other people are as convinced as you.
no, your post sucked too.
Also, you're suspicious of me, which no townie should be at this point. I'm stupidly obvious as town.
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so your suspicions are fake, because you're scum.
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I'm fairly certain that Palmar is a townie, based on my conversations with him
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On August 17 2011 18:56 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 18:55 heist wrote:On August 17 2011 18:51 Palmar wrote:On August 17 2011 18:50 heist wrote:
Palmar wants me to claim my traits to him because he thinks I'm really suspicious. Do you guys trust him enough for me to do so or do you guys object? Why did you not just ask that in the mafia QT? All your suspicions ride solely on the fact that you think I'm lying about mafia "heist". Let's see if other people are as convinced as you. no, your post sucked too. Also, you're suspicious of me, which no townie should be at this point. I'm stupidly obvious as town.
By all means kill off everyone who is hesitant to claim to you. Btw how did the location trace thing go?
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On August 17 2011 18:59 heist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 18:56 Palmar wrote:On August 17 2011 18:55 heist wrote:On August 17 2011 18:51 Palmar wrote:On August 17 2011 18:50 heist wrote:
Palmar wants me to claim my traits to him because he thinks I'm really suspicious. Do you guys trust him enough for me to do so or do you guys object? Why did you not just ask that in the mafia QT? All your suspicions ride solely on the fact that you think I'm lying about mafia "heist". Let's see if other people are as convinced as you. no, your post sucked too. Also, you're suspicious of me, which no townie should be at this point. I'm stupidly obvious as town. By all means kill off everyone who is hesitant to claim to you. Btw how did the location trace thing go?
It concluded that you're smart enough to use a different hostmask when you realize you scumslipped.
Well done.
You've been stalling for half an hour to ask your scumbuddies how you should claim to me, now give it a rest and just claim.
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ROFL everyone pm palamr your traits if you think hes town. I think I just won the game?
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So erm...
I publically claimed a red house.
ON claimed red house to bum, and bum forwarded that information to me, without telling ON he had.
I then privately asked ON to claim to me, and he claimed red house to me.
Which is just... derp, because my house is red. Then he went on to correct himself. He claims he made a mistake, claiming the wrong role.
Twice.
Original Message From OriginalName: Screw you i just woke up T_T Show nested quote +Original Message From Palmar: Rofl, you screwed up bro, you screwed up bad. Original Message From OriginalName: OH FUCK I KEEP MIXING THEM UP. Yellow yellow yellow shit shit shit. Original Message From Palmar: Are you trolling me? Because I publicly claimed a red house in the thread. Original Message From OriginalName: Ill give you mine but i dont feel confortable just giving his out unless you give me adiquate proof other than random accusations that your confirmed town especially after that stunt of random voting me. My house is red however. Original Message From Palmar: interesting. Can I have your color then? And preferably his too? I think you should be fairly confident I'm town now. Original Message From OriginalName: I claimed my color and he claimed back. Original Message From Palmar:
I'm confirmed town.
You MUST tell me if you claimed a trait to bumatlarge. Like, if you don't tell me that you're scum.
Preferably you tell me also which trait you claimed. But you MUST tell me if you did claim.
If you don't tell me that, then you're scum.
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Everything Palmar said is true.
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As well as eveything That I said minus the red house. THat honestly was a mistake T_T.
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do we kill heist for his big time scumslip or ON for his fake claim?
this game is lol
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What i wanna know is what ON was mixing up. that implys he knows more than one house color to use.
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I'd rather kill ON. A fake-claim is a fake-claim. heist's slip has the potentiality to have been a mistake, as I don't think I've ever seen a 12 person game with a number other than 3 mafia. That said, heist still looks kind've scummy, but I'd rather lynch the guy blatantly lying, than the guy who "slipped". They should maybe both claim a trait in thread, so that potential Detectives can check them with their actions tonight. They can't lie again, because they'll just get counter-claimed. Also, if they're town, mafia hitting them would almost be a favour, because then they clear out scummy people and we don't waste time on them. The only drawback, is mafia could avoid shooting them, and then their pool for town players would be much reduced. Depends on if people think the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.
Also, what was the time difference between the PMs with Bum, and the PMs with Palmar?
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i agree with wiggles, i'd like to see some claims.
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For the last time that was not me talking to bum. Why is this so hard to believe? And with no one seeming to object, I guess I will claim to Palmar.
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heist is not about to get lynched.
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it should probably be obvious that I'm town by now.
So, I request mass-claiming traits and roles to me.
And I also request a medic to protect the guy in the red house, that'd be me.
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On August 17 2011 06:28 Palmar wrote:
I don't like mass-claiming.
I think one of wiggles, on and brownbear is scum.
you dont like mass claiming but you want everyone to claim to you.
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On August 18 2011 03:00 Palmar wrote:
it should probably be obvious that I'm town by now.
So, I request mass-claiming traits and roles to me.
And I also request a medic to protect the guy in the red house, that'd be me.
hahahahahahaha
No. You aren't town till ON flips red, or heist flips red.
Please, explain what makes you so confirmed that we should risk letting the mafia solve the puzzle?
Come back when you have a correct lynch, until then I'm keeping my stuff to myself, thank you very much.
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On August 18 2011 03:10 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 06:28 Palmar wrote:
I don't like mass-claiming.
I think one of wiggles, on and brownbear is scum.
you dont like mass claiming but you want everyone to claim to you.
yes.
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On August 18 2011 03:21 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 03:00 Palmar wrote:
it should probably be obvious that I'm town by now.
So, I request mass-claiming traits and roles to me.
And I also request a medic to protect the guy in the red house, that'd be me. hahahahahahaha No. You aren't town till ON flips red, or heist flips red. Please, explain what makes you so confirmed that we should risk letting the mafia solve the puzzle? Come back when you have a correct lynch, until then I'm keeping my stuff to myself, thank you very much.
yeah it's ok, you're scum.
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On August 18 2011 03:37 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 03:21 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:On August 18 2011 03:00 Palmar wrote:
it should probably be obvious that I'm town by now.
So, I request mass-claiming traits and roles to me.
And I also request a medic to protect the guy in the red house, that'd be me. hahahahahahaha No. You aren't town till ON flips red, or heist flips red. Please, explain what makes you so confirmed that we should risk letting the mafia solve the puzzle? Come back when you have a correct lynch, until then I'm keeping my stuff to myself, thank you very much. yeah it's ok, you're scum.
Sure I am, and so is one of wiggles, BrownBear and Bum, oh and so are heist and ON. You know its a pretty effective way to play, accuse *everyone* of being mafia, that way you are *guaranteed* to get something right.
I'll claim to you if ON flips red, but not a moment before I see that flip, and if you have a problem with it then too bad. I'll repeat in case some idiot hasn't grasped it yet, Palmar isn't confirmed until we see some flips, and anyone claiming to him is risking leaking information to the mafia.
By the way did you check the hostmarks for heist? did they match up?
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They did not, the "fake" had host mask hidden; we were still suspicious because the "real heist" appeared mere 7 minutes after the "fake" one left, and there were other coincidences, but we found some older logs where heist says he is an irc newbie, so he probably wouldn't have known how to do it.
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Day 2
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/soldout.jpg)
wherebugsgo the Traitor has been killed.
Here are your clues for the day:
The Swiss have a fondness for feathered animals
The occupant of number 7 lives between the Irish and the British residents
The owner of the Hamster lives between the two Scandinavians
Voting begins now. You vote for people and not traits. Voting is done in this thread.
+ Show Spoiler +Picture is a joke, I <3 huk
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##Vote: OriginalName
We are going to need 48 hours for the flip, right? :-(
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that's more than enough time for everyone to claim to me.
Here's something.
Someone lives in a white house. That person must claim his role immediately to me, or he's scum.
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You guys are lynching me over a mistake when Palmar has admitted that heist is also scummy in every other way. Besides has anyone else gleaned anything scummy from me? Build better cases bros.
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On August 18 2011 06:09 OriginalName wrote:
You guys are lynching me over a mistake when Palmar has admitted that heist is also scummy in every other way. Besides has anyone else gleaned anything scummy from me? Build better cases bros.
heist is scummy how?
I'm pretty sure someone tried to imitate him on IRC.
We're lynching you.
I need to know who lives in a white house.
Actually, if everyone in town claims the colour of their house to me, we may have a better lynch for tonight.
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On August 18 2011 06:07 Palmar wrote:
that's more than enough time for everyone to claim to me.
Here's something.
Someone lives in a white house. That person must claim his role immediately to me, or he's scum.
Still going to wait for the flip.
Whoever lives in the white house, don't claim to palmar yet, the mafia can have trackers too.
Oh, watch I can do that too btw.
Someone here lives in #6 whoever that is must claim to me immediately or be deemed irredeemably mafia!
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On August 18 2011 06:12 Palmar wrote:
I live in number 6...
It was an example, you get what I'm saying. Its extremely easy to fake additional information right now because we know what traits are in town.
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Are you new to mafia Crimson?
Here's a fallacy a lot of newbies fall into. They're so afraid of being lied to, that they assume everyone is lying. This is the incorrect way of approaching mafia games, because in any game 75-80% of town is going to be telling the truth all the time.
Now, re-read the thread, then consider if you still think i'm scum.
Giving me the colors of your houses can help ust find scum. If you think I'm scum you should not tell me, if you think I'm town, you should. There is no "middle ground".
I have additional information, but I need the colors of everyone's houses to utilize it. If I claim what additional information I have, it becomes useless.
now go.
Mr. White, I expect your claim.
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My house has butterflies and ponies on it.
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On August 18 2011 06:15 Palmar wrote:
Are you new to mafia Crimson?
Here's a fallacy a lot of newbies fall into. They're so afraid of being lied to, that they assume everyone is lying. This is the incorrect way of approaching mafia games, because in any game 75-80% of town is going to be telling the truth all the time.
Now, re-read the thread, then consider if you still think i'm scum.
Giving me the colors of your houses can help ust find scum. If you think I'm scum you should not tell me, if you think I'm town, you should. There is no "middle ground".
I have additional information, but I need the colors of everyone's houses to utilize it. If I claim what additional information I have, it becomes useless.
now go.
Mr. White, I expect your claim.
No, I will not claim anything to you until we see ON flip. I don't know if you are scum or not, but when in doubt the best approach is to assume the worst. Wait 48 hours, then I promise you if ON is red I'll claim to you, role and everything, but until I'm sure this isn't a ballsy mafia play to figure out enough to solve the puzzle/take out blues I cannot afford to tell you what I know.
I urge everyone else to wait too, I mean its just 48 hours, whats the rush?
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On August 18 2011 06:09 OriginalName wrote:
You guys are lynching me over a mistake when Palmar has admitted that heist is also scummy in every other way. Besides has anyone else gleaned anything scummy from me? Build better cases bros.
Way to throw me under the bus. You build a better case.
##Vote: OriginalName
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On August 18 2011 06:19 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 06:15 Palmar wrote:
Are you new to mafia Crimson?
Here's a fallacy a lot of newbies fall into. They're so afraid of being lied to, that they assume everyone is lying. This is the incorrect way of approaching mafia games, because in any game 75-80% of town is going to be telling the truth all the time.
Now, re-read the thread, then consider if you still think i'm scum.
Giving me the colors of your houses can help ust find scum. If you think I'm scum you should not tell me, if you think I'm town, you should. There is no "middle ground".
I have additional information, but I need the colors of everyone's houses to utilize it. If I claim what additional information I have, it becomes useless.
now go.
Mr. White, I expect your claim. No, I will not claim anything to you until we see ON flip. I don't know if you are scum or not, but when in doubt the best approach is to assume the worst. Wait 48 hours, then I promise you if ON is red I'll claim to you, role and everything, but until I'm sure this isn't a ballsy mafia play to figure out enough to solve the puzzle/take out blues I cannot afford to tell you what I know. I urge everyone else to wait too, I mean its just 48 hours, whats the rush?
I hope you realize you're actively sabotaging town.
I'm gonna be pretty mad at you if you flip town, but I'm starting to doubt you will.
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On August 18 2011 06:20 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 06:19 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:On August 18 2011 06:15 Palmar wrote:
Are you new to mafia Crimson?
Here's a fallacy a lot of newbies fall into. They're so afraid of being lied to, that they assume everyone is lying. This is the incorrect way of approaching mafia games, because in any game 75-80% of town is going to be telling the truth all the time.
Now, re-read the thread, then consider if you still think i'm scum.
Giving me the colors of your houses can help ust find scum. If you think I'm scum you should not tell me, if you think I'm town, you should. There is no "middle ground".
I have additional information, but I need the colors of everyone's houses to utilize it. If I claim what additional information I have, it becomes useless.
now go.
Mr. White, I expect your claim. No, I will not claim anything to you until we see ON flip. I don't know if you are scum or not, but when in doubt the best approach is to assume the worst. Wait 48 hours, then I promise you if ON is red I'll claim to you, role and everything, but until I'm sure this isn't a ballsy mafia play to figure out enough to solve the puzzle/take out blues I cannot afford to tell you what I know. I urge everyone else to wait too, I mean its just 48 hours, whats the rush? I hope you realize you're actively sabotaging town. I'm gonna be pretty mad at you if you flip town, but I'm starting to doubt you will.
Explain how I'm sabotaging the town if you will? All I'm asking is we wait to see a flip.
Unless you expect ON to flip green there is no reason why we cannot afford to wait.
Also I like how opposing your plan makes me automatically scum, way to discredit the opposition.
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yeah whatever, this is like talking to the great wall of china.
At least, thank god the rest of town is not as stupid.
The ON lynch is based on the fact that he fake-claimed to two different people. There is a tiny, tiny chance he's just a dumbass, but I really don't think he's that bad
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##Vote OriginalName
I'm not claiming until i see ON flip
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On August 18 2011 06:34 Palmar wrote:
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let me translate
"how DARE all these people doubt ME, the great palmar! They are all *scum*!"
Seriously, its not at all unreasonable for us to wait for the flip to confirm you are actually town.
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On August 16 2011 19:02 BrownBear wrote:
I'm not claiming shit until we get a legitimate plan beyond "hey guys let's just mass claim and see if we can figure things out!" It's a really stupid strategy.
We can definitely start trying to figure out who is who - I know that I at least only got a role and house #, so I guess we have to figure out what other traits WE have in addition to what traits scum have. In that case, the last clue seems to be the most helpful, since it covers positioning, which we already know.
oh, and /confirm.
Care to explain why you don't mention you received color as well?
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Bum, I'm gonna ask again, what was the time that ON sent those messages to you. Palmar, I would like to know the time that ON PMed you as well.
On August 16 2011 17:39 Palmar wrote:
You live at Number 6, which is a Red house.
Because if he claimed having the red house after this message... there's just no way I think a scum would be THAT stupid, to try to fake-claim a colour that had already been publicly claimed, in thread, to the person who claimed it. -_-
As well, I'm interested if there was a time difference between his claims to you two, because if they were right after each other, with no delay, it makes it more conceivable that he just screwed up his colour.
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he claimed
long after that message.
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The ON lynch is based on the fact that he fake-claimed to two different people. There is a tiny, tiny chance he's just a dumbass, but I really don't think he's that bad
This is in its entireity, the case.
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Wait, so you're saying, that he claimed red to you, after you wrote that in the thread?
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Palmar, if you really are town, stop throwing accusations around like they're candy. It really isn't helping me decipher anything other than you now think half the town is scum.
I'm fine with voting ON to see what happens, and then once he flips maybe I'll trust you more, but so far all I've seen is that you're good at being loud and accusing people. I'm pretty you're town, but that doesn't mean I trust you yet. Dumb town can be just as damaging to town's cause as mafia can.
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And, since there is no voting thread, ##Vote: OriginalName.
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On August 18 2011 08:26 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Wait, so you're saying, that he claimed red to you, after you wrote that in the thread?
yes
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On August 18 2011 08:26 BrownBear wrote:
Palmar, if you really are town, stop throwing accusations around like they're candy. It really isn't helping me decipher anything other than you now think half the town is scum.
I'm fine with voting ON to see what happens, and then once he flips maybe I'll trust you more, but so far all I've seen is that you're good at being loud and accusing people. I'm pretty you're town, but that doesn't mean I trust you yet. Dumb town can be just as damaging to town's cause as mafia can.
pm me the color of your house.
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On August 18 2011 08:26 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Wait, so you're saying, that he claimed red to you, after you wrote that in the thread?
THis is exactly what happened, I unfortunitly had only sort of read my role pm once.
Afterwords i glanced over those words like a couple times trying to figure out why palmar randomly posted them and cliamed out of my eyes was nowhere, due to this being late at night it eventually overwrote my own role in my mind and that essentially became my house to me.
I looked at my role PM after I claimed to make sure when i realized I fucked up, turns out I had it wrong the entire time ._.
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however, he made the same mistake, twice, with many hours in between
which is retarded.
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On August 18 2011 08:30 Palmar wrote:
however, he made the same mistake, twice, with many hours in between
which is retarded.
Retarded, yes, but if he's mafia, in what way does the fake claim benefit him? You've already claimed red, and when you challenged him in PM, he backed down. I'm assuming you aren't both mafia, because I haven't seen anyone smart enough to do some weird PM stuff with each other yet. So, what is his benefit, in claiming the colour of a townie if he's mafia, especially a claimed colour? All that's going to happen, is it's going to come out in thread, and it's going to be a 1-1 trade with town. It doesn't make sense to me.
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but hey, wiggles, if you're skeptical you can always just claim the color of your house to me.
That can maybe net us a better lynch! Who knows!
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Yes! Lets all claim to someone who has actually not shown any signs of being town! Brilliant!
By the way Palmar, I thought you were sure heist was scum, you know the whole "he's smart enough to mask his hostname" thing, how come now you think he is being framed? flip flop much?
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On August 18 2011 08:38 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:
Yes! Lets all claim to someone who has actually not shown any signs of being town! Brilliant!
By the way Palmar, I thought you were sure heist was scum, you know the whole "he's smart enough to mask his hostname" thing, how come now you think he is being framed? flip flop much?
shut up, I don't talk to mafia.
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On August 18 2011 08:36 Palmar wrote:
but hey, wiggles, if you're skeptical you can always just claim the color of your house to me.
That can maybe net us a better lynch! Who knows!
Ok, but what assurance do I have that you're town? I'm not sure if I like the idea of one person knowing the traits of everyone in town, especially when I don't know who you'll be sharing it with. Has anyone claimed to have checked you as town?
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On August 18 2011 08:39 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 08:38 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:
Yes! Lets all claim to someone who has actually not shown any signs of being town! Brilliant!
By the way Palmar, I thought you were sure heist was scum, you know the whole "he's smart enough to mask his hostname" thing, how come now you think he is being framed? flip flop much? shut up, I don't talk to mafia.
Yep, when one can't actually rebuff an argument the best response is to discredit them.
This isn't the only contradiction in your play, Mr. Lets spread doubt. Or should I point out how you dislike claiming, unless its to you. Funny how people are getting played in PM's when your thread behavior betrays your true color.
Ironic that you claim to live in a red house, don't you think?
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In before you claim I'm OMGUSing you by the way, that only applies when a player *hasn't* called over half the town scum already.
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So, for the people that can be reasoned with:
If the person living in a white house claims to me, I can clear him! Like, I can confirm him as town. There is no reason mafia would be looking for one specific house.
Please, please, use your heads and claim to me the color of your houses. I have no idea why townies wouldn't want their names cleared immediately.
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So, now its to "clear" someone, funny, I thought you promised us a better lynch if the person in the white house claimed.
I can be reasoned with, but you have yet to provide any reasons other than "I am Palmar, the greenest townie to ever live! No, I have no proof, I don't need it, I'm motherfucking Palmar!"
Had you gotten scum lynched I might see it, all I see right now is a stupid, anti-town obsession with getting claims so you can coordinate your kills better, or better yet get some overpowered skill to rape the town with.
I'm not going to allow it.
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On August 18 2011 08:51 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:
So, now its to "clear" someone, funny, I thought you promised us a better lynch if the person in the white house claimed.
I can be reasoned with, but you have yet to provide any reasons other than "I am Palmar, the greenest townie to ever live! No, I have no proof, I don't need it, I'm motherfucking Palmar!"
Had you gotten scum lynched I might see it, all I see right now is a stupid, anti-town obsession with getting claims so you can coordinate your kills better, or better yet get some overpowered skill to rape the town with.
I'm not going to allow it.
If you're town, you're terrible.
But I don't think we actually have to worry about that
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On August 18 2011 08:52 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 08:51 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:
So, now its to "clear" someone, funny, I thought you promised us a better lynch if the person in the white house claimed.
I can be reasoned with, but you have yet to provide any reasons other than "I am Palmar, the greenest townie to ever live! No, I have no proof, I don't need it, I'm motherfucking Palmar!"
Had you gotten scum lynched I might see it, all I see right now is a stupid, anti-town obsession with getting claims so you can coordinate your kills better, or better yet get some overpowered skill to rape the town with.
I'm not going to allow it. If you're town, you're terrible. But I don't think we actually have to worry about that ##Unvote
##Vote TheCrimsonReaper
hahahahahahaha
If it wasn't obvious you were desperate scum earlier, it is now.
You are seriously choosing to lynch me over ON who according to you "mistook" his house, and heist who also according to you and bum, knew there were three mafia?
Please folks, don't let the fact that he has learned how to say "I'm town" fool you. This man is flipfloping mafia who is on tilt because I called him out on it.
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On August 18 2011 08:58 Palmar wrote:
heist is not mafia.
Funny, that's not what you were saying earlier.
But then again, I don't expect scum to keep their stories straight anyway.
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Oh lord, I can't even decipher this...
Let's make it simple. Palmar, until ON flips I'm not giving you squat, nor am I trusting anything you say. You're too free-handed with the accusations and you're overall being very disruptive.
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TheCrimsonReaper, Palmar, OriginalName scumteam.
We won!
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Guys, because you love throwing doubt on townies.
Explain to me: What does ON's flip have to do with me?
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Palmar, here's my response to your PM. I'm putting it here in the interest of public knowledge.
The one issue I have is, what if you are scum? Obviously, you know your role, but all I have to go on is what you say in thread, in a game where the team I'm up against gains huge benefits from all the information they can grab.
Look at it from my perspective. I know certain things about my role that nobody else does. The instant I disclose my house information, it becomes something the mafia can hit me for. They can't say "hit brownbear" but they can say "hit the puce house" or something (note: i'm not actually in a puce house )
Also, look at the clues. One of them may or may not point to me (if one does, I just don't realize it yet). If later clues make it clear that the Tanzanian lives in the puce house, and the Tanzanian is linked to a power role, then I'm fucked.
(again, I may or may not be a power role, I'm not telling you, just using it for the sake of argument).
You may say "but you claim privately to me" but again, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE TELLING THE TRUTH. The ON lynch goes a long way towards proving you're scum to me, because in a game this small bussing is a very risky tactic, so if ON is actually scum, you're leaving yourself either all by yourself or with only 1 teammate left - not a situation mafia wants to be in. Ofc, you could be out-WIFOMing me, but I'd be more willing to trust what you say. Again, all you've proved to me so far is that you're loud and you like being the center of attention.
I'm inclining towards you just being a loud townie, but until you can provide comprehensive proof besides "I LIVE IN A RED HOUSE THIS MAKES ME NOT SCUM" then I don't trust you fully.
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I moved in with Palmar and am now in the red house, direct any comments or night hits you may have to him please.
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you did not explain how ON's flip links to my alignment?
Curu, please stop trolling, you're doing it every game now.
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##Vote TheCrimsonReaper
I'm voting TCR for pushing palmar saying that ON flip basically damns/confirms him when it really doesnt do anything TBH its possible ON was confused people mess up stuipid shit sometimes. it could also be a slip but you seem to be really anti palmar when i think the best way we can win this is we need to share information at some point
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##vote TheCrimsonReaper
I'm a cop, Palmar's clean. If everybody could please claim to him it would be mighty helpful. TCR's reluctance to claim and attempt to undermine Palmar by calling him scum follows a scum agenda, much more so than, for example, BrownBear's argument, which is a perfect example of a cautious townie trying to make sure that he doesn't claim to mafia.
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On August 18 2011 09:30 Sevryn wrote:
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I'm voting TCR for pushing palmar saying that ON flip basically damns/confirms him when it really doesnt do anything TBH its possible ON was confused people mess up stuipid shit sometimes. it could also be a slip but you seem to be really anti palmar when i think the best way we can win this is we need to share information at some point
I agree, we *do* need to share information at some point. But not right now, privately, to an unconfirmed person, eventually we'll form circles of trust. But we haven't even lynched anyone yet, the guy who got nked wasn't even connected to anyone. You seriously expect me to trust or let anyone trust palmar before anything has been confirmed.
And ON *does* confirm Palmar, if ON flips red Palmar is cleared, if he flips green, well then we don't know anything about Palmar's alignment and should hold off on claiming to him. Fact is Palmar isn't even close to confirmed yet, but people are worshiping his feet as if it were day 3 and he'd taken 3 mafia hits as well as lynching red every day.
For those too dense to see it, what proof do you have palmar is town? All I've seen him do is flip flop like hell and throw suspicion around, with absolutely no data that proves he is town. Unless a DT checked him or something, I refuse to claim to an unconfirmed person.
Bandwagon harder Sevryen, this is what, the third bandwagon you've subscribed to?
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On August 18 2011 09:38 Varpulis wrote:
##vote TheCrimsonReaper
I'm a cop, Palmar's clean. If everybody could please claim to him it would be mighty helpful. TCR's reluctance to claim and attempt to undermine Palmar by calling him scum follows a scum agenda, much more so than, for example, BrownBear's argument, which is a perfect example of a cautious townie trying to make sure that he doesn't claim to mafia.
And you didn't say this earlier why?
I'll claim to him now.
This was all I needed, god.
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there is only on E in my name good sir
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On August 18 2011 09:40 Palmar wrote:
am I confirmed now TCR?
close enough.
Check your PMs
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lol, no one still has the balls to claim white!
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On August 18 2011 09:28 Palmar wrote:
you did not explain how ON's flip links to my alignment?
Curu, please stop trolling, you're doing it every game now.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE TELLING THE TRUTH. The ON lynch goes a long way towards proving you're scum to me, because in a game this small bussing is a very risky tactic, so if ON is actually scum, you're leaving yourself either all by yourself or with only 1 teammate left - not a situation mafia wants to be in. Ofc, you could be out-WIFOMing me, but I'd be more willing to trust what you say. Again, all you've proved to me so far is that you're loud and you like being the center of attention.
I thought that explained my reasoning of how ON's flip will help me understand your alignment better. I never said prove/disprove.
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Everyone better claim to Palmar right now. Palmar if you can tell us everyone who isn't claiming, we can pressure them.
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I've found white.
wiggles and bum still haven't claimed, but they're just afk I think.
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BrownBear is white, I'm just waiting for him to claim his role to me, but he mysteriously disappeared when I asked that. Probably checking in with TCR what he should fake-claim.
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Or just watching youtube... unlike you, I don't have this window open 24/7 constantly hitting F5.
Really, it's impossible to pin "mysteriously disappeared" on someone in a forum game, because everyone's not on the forum at all times. Don't try crap like that, it makes you look bad.
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Also, wtf. I claimed that privately and you post it public.
Regardless of whether or not your plan works, you're still bad.
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He's angry cause he's scum.
I have a tracker that reports that "White visited Fish".
BrownBear is white, but he claimed vanilla town in a PM.
This means he's lying like the scummery scum he is :D
Awesome!
Time to hang BrownBear.
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Yessir
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oh come on.
I fakeclaimed to you because I DON'T FUCKING TRUST YOU.
You post all kinds of crazy shit in thread, expect people to claim to you with no reasoning, then when you finally get a reasoning for me to claim to you "privately" you POST IT IN THE THREAD?
Since I'm fucked either way, I'm doctor. Do you see now why I felt uncomfortable claiming to you? You already posted my traits (which you WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO POST) in thread, I'm not giving you any more shit.
But since you have your silly little PM circle of fail that thinks I'm scum now, I guess I gotta post everything. Which wouldn't have happened if you had just made me trust you.
Good fucking job.
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I don't think we have 2 doctors and I already have 1 claim of such. I also have a tracker and a cop claim.
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Yeah, it's not abnormal for townies to fakeclaim traits, and I dont think it make BB scum. ON lied, and then tried to cover it up, instead of just owning up to it like BB. Voting brownbear because if this is retarded. Stick to ON please.
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oh and brownbear.
if you really are medic, what trait did you use to visit mr. fish?
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On August 18 2011 10:19 bumatlarge wrote:
Yeah, it's not abnormal for townies to fakeclaim traits, and I dont think it make BB scum. ON lied, and then tried to cover it up, instead of just owning up to it like BB. Voting brownbear because if this is retarded. Stick to ON please.
Are you even reading the thread?
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Well, this is fucked.
Mafia concedes, gg.
decon, it's a cool idea, but the instant you don't let us hit names and force us to hit secret traits, blues can claim with impunity. Which makes it retardedly hard for us to do anything, and lets town form PM circles of death.
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gg guys, sorry for being an asshole from time to time.
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Really? That was a little premature, I guess. I was about to open up a whole new layer of intrigue.
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gg palmar.
Your plan worked pretty well, I might say
In the future tho, I meant what I said about leaving PM stuff in PMs. That kinda cheesed me off, and even if I had been blue, I still wouldn't have claimed to you at that point.
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Yeah palmar stop being an asshole XD didn't see the doctor claiming townie thing, thats a naughty thing to do. If it really is over then I must say its fairly town favored with what BB said. Host wuld have to purposefully skew the blue numbers to give mafia a better chance, and that seriously imbalance things.
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On August 18 2011 10:25 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Really? That was a little premature, I guess. I was about to open up a whole new layer of intrigue.
Sorry but the town circle had just hit critical mass and we couldn't choose who the hell we were going to hit at night.
This was just generally frustrating because for some reason bad play payed off.
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On August 18 2011 10:26 BrownBear wrote:gg palmar. Your plan worked pretty well, I might say In the future tho, I meant what I said about leaving PM stuff in PMs. That kinda cheesed me off, and even if I had been blue, I still wouldn't have claimed to you at that point.
really?
well meh... I was pretty convinced you were scum, because of the fact that you tried to link an ON mislynch to me.
The rest was just formalities.
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On August 18 2011 10:25 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Really? That was a little premature, I guess. I was about to open up a whole new layer of intrigue.
Both of us were just ticked about the extreme town-favored setup. Anytime blue roles can claim with impunity, something's wrong.
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TheCrimsonreaper: Not very good at his job.
General Note:
While has thread presence has spent merely the entireity of it either:
Sheeping on Bandwagons
Attempting to cast doubt on Palmar.
While the two of these things dont nessicarily make him scum some of his posts sort of stand out to me.
Finally.
So how do we kick this off?
Should we mass claim all our traits?
So first post is already fishing around for information, fun fun fun.
On August 18 2011 03:21 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 03:00 Palmar wrote:
it should probably be obvious that I'm town by now.
So, I request mass-claiming traits and roles to me.
And I also request a medic to protect the guy in the red house, that'd be me. hahahahahahaha No. You aren't town till ON flips red, or heist flips red. Please, explain what makes you so confirmed that we should risk letting the mafia solve the puzzle? Come back when you have a correct lynch, until then I'm keeping my stuff to myself, thank you very much.
So your setting him up to be lynched when i flip town huh.
Do note he later votes me with no reasoning and states he wants the cycle accelerated without disscussion basically.
He is so sure of my alignment he cant wait for me to flip and turn it against Palmar.
On August 18 2011 08:51 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:
So, now its to "clear" someone, funny, I thought you promised us a better lynch if the person in the white house claimed.
I can be reasoned with, but you have yet to provide any reasons other than "I am Palmar, the greenest townie to ever live! No, I have no proof, I don't need it, I'm motherfucking Palmar!"
Had you gotten scum lynched I might see it, all I see right now is a stupid, anti-town obsession with getting claims so you can coordinate your kills better, or better yet get some overpowered skill to rape the town with.
I'm not going to allow it.
You seem mighty controlling of what we can and cannot do. You are not suddenly in charge. You are merely trying to go against somebody who is actually trying to actively look for scum. You sit back and sheep off of someone elses opinion.
Oh wait, your sheeping off Palmars opinion.
The guy your attempting to discredit.
...Yeah this dude is scum.
I was the actual Medic btw.
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On August 18 2011 10:26 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 10:25 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Really? That was a little premature, I guess. I was about to open up a whole new layer of intrigue. Sorry but the town circle had just hit critical mass and we couldn't choose who the hell we were going to hit at night. This was just generally frustrating because for some reason bad play payed off.
so... you were smurfing?
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That was the case i had written up and it was half done...
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Which of you was the role-blocker? And why did you hit pink?
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On August 18 2011 10:27 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 10:26 GMarshal wrote:On August 18 2011 10:25 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Really? That was a little premature, I guess. I was about to open up a whole new layer of intrigue. Sorry but the town circle had just hit critical mass and we couldn't choose who the hell we were going to hit at night. This was just generally frustrating because for some reason bad play payed off. so... you were smurfing?
LOL left my account logged on in the wrong computer. This was actually my sister playing. I did give her a couple tips.
She is pissed as hell btw :-P
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On August 18 2011 10:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Which of you was the role-blocker? And why did you hit pink?
I was. We hit pink because we had absolutely nothing better to go off of. We had pets and nationalities, but didn't know who was who, so we couldn't hit off of those for fear of hitting ourselves. All that was left was house #s and colors, but those weren't linked to ANYTHING, so we were reduced to picking random colors that weren't us.
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hahahaha
Tell her sorry, and why did she use the skype alias Karl Streiner?
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On August 18 2011 10:29 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 10:27 Palmar wrote:On August 18 2011 10:26 GMarshal wrote:On August 18 2011 10:25 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Really? That was a little premature, I guess. I was about to open up a whole new layer of intrigue. Sorry but the town circle had just hit critical mass and we couldn't choose who the hell we were going to hit at night. This was just generally frustrating because for some reason bad play payed off. so... you were smurfing? LOL left my account logged on in the wrong computer. This was actually my sister playing. I did give her a couple tips. She is pissed as hell btw :-P
You can bet your ass.
STUPID PEOPLE!!!!
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syllogism Tracker 1
Mr. Wiggles Watcher 2
OriginalName Medic 3
Varpulis Cop 4
bumatlarge Coroner 5
Palmar Town 6
TheCrimsonReaper Goon 7
Sevryn Town 8
Curu Town 10
BrownBear RoleBlocker 11
heist Town 12
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/DzdwZ.jpg)
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Oh man that was different, well ON you started that mess, but I was going to believe you if I took a hit last night. Didn't fall through so I didn't really trust you. The set-up is really interesting but it needs some changes.
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There were way too many power roles by the way.
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On August 18 2011 10:30 bumatlarge wrote:
Oh man that was different, well ON you started that mess, but I was going to believe you if I took a hit last night. Didn't fall through so I didn't really trust you. The set-up is really interesting but it needs some changes.
Im sorry for my gigantic derp moment of derpness.
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rofl.
ON you scummy fucker. I can't believe you really just fucked up your claim.
twice.
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On August 18 2011 10:30 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:
They had *four* blues?
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Ok. Because I was Pink, and I was the Watcher. I watched Red, and got back the PM that no one visited, or else I was RBed. If I wasn't RBed, then I was convinced both Palmar and Varp were scum. If I was RBed, then I couldn't tell.
I was actually baiting Palmar into giving me more info to go off of. I actually asked him if a DT checked him in thread, and was wondering if he had reason to believe anyone else had visited him.
I had a real dilemma, because I couldn't claim my info safely without letting scum know who I was. I was actually thinking of getting town to flip varp to confirm my RB and Palmar's towniness, but I guess it wasn't needed. :p
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On August 18 2011 10:30 Palmar wrote:
hahahaha
Tell her sorry, and why did she use the skype alias Karl Streiner?
From the game starlancer, and because I generally hate people knowing I'm a girl.
Anyway, that is all
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Who was the one who faked as me?
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Yeah, except town would have sheeped along with Palmar and lynched me anyways, which would have answered your question quite nicely
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Yeah I did a dry run through and it seemed balanced, unfortunately a load of things came together to fuck things up:
Mafia hit traitor night 1. Initially they sent in a kill for the tracker which would leave them in a nice position.
The ability to blue claim without fear was something that I didn't think of at all and I apologise. It completely messed up the game
Palmar was on a roll.
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On August 18 2011 10:33 heist wrote:
Who was the one who faked as me?
/waves.
if I know something its how to fuck around with IRC
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My post I was working on if Palmar responded inadequately:
Wait, what? If he were a blue, he's going to claim VT to you, considering he doesn't know your alignment. How does that even make sense? Now for something completely different: I am a Watcher. Last night, I watched the Red house. I got a PM back, saying that nobody visited (or that I was roleblocked). Now, I didn't give away my traits to anybody, so the chances of me being blocked are 1/8, unless others were sharing their traits with mafia. Varpulis has claimed to have checked Palmar, and that he's clear. My information says that he hasn't. The only means he had to check Palmar were through the red house, and no one went there. Now, why would mafia fake-claim that they cleared someone? He has no reason to do it if Palmar is town, because then he could organize town better, so that means the only reason to fake claim DT, would be if Palmar is mafia as well. If you recall, I specifically asked Palmar if someone had claimed to have checked him: Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 08:40 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On August 18 2011 08:36 Palmar wrote:
but hey, wiggles, if you're skeptical you can always just claim the color of your house to me.
That can maybe net us a better lynch! Who knows! Ok, but what assurance do I have that you're town? I'm not sure if I like the idea of one person knowing the traits of everyone in town, especially when I don't know who you'll be sharing it with. Has anyone claimed to have checked you as town? I propose we flip Varpulis. If he flips town, then I was roleblocked (meaning mafia knows my identity now) and Palmar is DT confirmed town. If he flips scum, then Palmar is scum.
Too bad you gave up, you might have had the chance to use me to ass-rape the town for a while with the luckiest RB ever...
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On August 18 2011 10:34 deconduo wrote:Yeah I did a dry run through and it seemed balanced, unfortunately a load of things came together to fuck things up: Mafia hit traitor night 1. Initially they sent in a kill for the tracker which would leave them in a nice position. The ability to blue claim without fear was something that I didn't think of at all and I apologise. It completely messed up the game Palmar was on a roll.
Yeah... our conversation on night kill was basically this:
"Yo, I sent some random hits in, but we should decide real hits. Go."
"So... do you have anything to go on?"
"Nope... do you?"
"Uhh... pick your favorite color."
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On August 18 2011 10:34 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:/waves. if I know something its how to fuck around with IRC
well it did its job. you had about half the town ready to kill me
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On August 18 2011 10:34 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:/waves. if I know something its how to fuck around with IRC
thank god there are more irc nerds here.
We cleared heist by checking his hostname and his attitude when he logged on the 2nd of august from log files
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On August 18 2011 10:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote:My post I was working on if Palmar responded inadequately: Show nested quote +Wait, what? If he were a blue, he's going to claim VT to you, considering he doesn't know your alignment. How does that even make sense? Now for something completely different: I am a Watcher. Last night, I watched the Red house. I got a PM back, saying that nobody visited (or that I was roleblocked). Now, I didn't give away my traits to anybody, so the chances of me being blocked are 1/8, unless others were sharing their traits with mafia. Varpulis has claimed to have checked Palmar, and that he's clear. My information says that he hasn't. The only means he had to check Palmar were through the red house, and no one went there. Now, why would mafia fake-claim that they cleared someone? He has no reason to do it if Palmar is town, because then he could organize town better, so that means the only reason to fake claim DT, would be if Palmar is mafia as well. If you recall, I specifically asked Palmar if someone had claimed to have checked him: On August 18 2011 08:40 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On August 18 2011 08:36 Palmar wrote:
but hey, wiggles, if you're skeptical you can always just claim the color of your house to me.
That can maybe net us a better lynch! Who knows! Ok, but what assurance do I have that you're town? I'm not sure if I like the idea of one person knowing the traits of everyone in town, especially when I don't know who you'll be sharing it with. Has anyone claimed to have checked you as town? I propose we flip Varpulis. If he flips town, then I was roleblocked (meaning mafia knows my identity now) and Palmar is DT confirmed town. If he flips scum, then Palmar is scum. Too bad you gave up, you might have had the chance to use me to ass-rape the town for a while with the luckiest RB ever...
Dammit.
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On August 18 2011 10:37 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 10:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote:My post I was working on if Palmar responded inadequately: Wait, what? If he were a blue, he's going to claim VT to you, considering he doesn't know your alignment. How does that even make sense? Now for something completely different: I am a Watcher. Last night, I watched the Red house. I got a PM back, saying that nobody visited (or that I was roleblocked). Now, I didn't give away my traits to anybody, so the chances of me being blocked are 1/8, unless others were sharing their traits with mafia. Varpulis has claimed to have checked Palmar, and that he's clear. My information says that he hasn't. The only means he had to check Palmar were through the red house, and no one went there. Now, why would mafia fake-claim that they cleared someone? He has no reason to do it if Palmar is town, because then he could organize town better, so that means the only reason to fake claim DT, would be if Palmar is mafia as well. If you recall, I specifically asked Palmar if someone had claimed to have checked him: On August 18 2011 08:40 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On August 18 2011 08:36 Palmar wrote:
but hey, wiggles, if you're skeptical you can always just claim the color of your house to me.
That can maybe net us a better lynch! Who knows! Ok, but what assurance do I have that you're town? I'm not sure if I like the idea of one person knowing the traits of everyone in town, especially when I don't know who you'll be sharing it with. Has anyone claimed to have checked you as town? I propose we flip Varpulis. If he flips town, then I was roleblocked (meaning mafia knows my identity now) and Palmar is DT confirmed town. If he flips scum, then Palmar is scum. Too bad you gave up, you might have had the chance to use me to ass-rape the town for a while with the luckiest RB ever... Dammit.
Nah, Palmar was still confirmed town after that, and with four blues we;d be insane to try to fakeclaim
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Before I get too down on the setup tho, it's a really great idea decon Except for the blueclaim thing it would have been fantastic. It just needs a little more balance.
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On August 18 2011 10:36 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 10:34 deconduo wrote:Yeah I did a dry run through and it seemed balanced, unfortunately a load of things came together to fuck things up: Mafia hit traitor night 1. Initially they sent in a kill for the tracker which would leave them in a nice position. The ability to blue claim without fear was something that I didn't think of at all and I apologise. It completely messed up the game Palmar was on a roll. Yeah... our conversation on night kill was basically this: "Yo, I sent some random hits in, but we should decide real hits. Go." "So... do you have anything to go on?" "Nope... do you?" "Uhh... pick your favorite color."
I might remake with just trackers and watchers. That way its difficult to form town circles, and makes it much easier for mafia to fakeclaim.
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I was actually entertaining the idea of 4 mafia.
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On August 18 2011 10:39 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 10:36 BrownBear wrote:On August 18 2011 10:34 deconduo wrote:Yeah I did a dry run through and it seemed balanced, unfortunately a load of things came together to fuck things up: Mafia hit traitor night 1. Initially they sent in a kill for the tracker which would leave them in a nice position. The ability to blue claim without fear was something that I didn't think of at all and I apologise. It completely messed up the game Palmar was on a roll. Yeah... our conversation on night kill was basically this: "Yo, I sent some random hits in, but we should decide real hits. Go." "So... do you have anything to go on?" "Nope... do you?" "Uhh... pick your favorite color." I might remake with just trackers and watchers. That way its difficult to form town circles, and makes it much easier for mafia to fakeclaim.
Please, please, please let mafia hit names rather than traits. Thats how it was originally setup and how it should have gone...
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On August 18 2011 10:39 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 10:36 BrownBear wrote:On August 18 2011 10:34 deconduo wrote:Yeah I did a dry run through and it seemed balanced, unfortunately a load of things came together to fuck things up: Mafia hit traitor night 1. Initially they sent in a kill for the tracker which would leave them in a nice position. The ability to blue claim without fear was something that I didn't think of at all and I apologise. It completely messed up the game Palmar was on a roll. Yeah... our conversation on night kill was basically this: "Yo, I sent some random hits in, but we should decide real hits. Go." "So... do you have anything to go on?" "Nope... do you?" "Uhh... pick your favorite color." I might remake with just trackers and watchers. That way its difficult to form town circles, and makes it much easier for mafia to fakeclaim.
There are more things at stake.
Just remove the PMs really. Syllo and I basically confirmed each other just by talking to each other, and it wound up from there.
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On August 18 2011 10:34 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:/waves. if I know something its how to fuck around with IRC
Tell me the slip was intentional. But you didn't even have 3 members? So basically I caught scum lying but took it as a slip, blamed the wrong person, because you slipped about something that wasn't true while on someone else's name.
That's fucked up.
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On August 18 2011 10:41 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 10:34 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:On August 18 2011 10:33 heist wrote:
Who was the one who faked as me? /waves. if I know something its how to fuck around with IRC Tell me the slip was intentional. But you didn't even have 3 members? So basically I caught scum lying but took it as a slip, blamed the wrong person, because you slipped about something that wasn't true while on someone else's name. That's fucked up.
100% engineered, the "slip" was planned. and had you done a whois you would have found "heist" lounging in channel "Swedeismafia345" with the topic "lets kill the fuckers"
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On August 18 2011 10:43 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 10:41 bumatlarge wrote:On August 18 2011 10:34 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:On August 18 2011 10:33 heist wrote:
Who was the one who faked as me? /waves. if I know something its how to fuck around with IRC Tell me the slip was intentional. But you didn't even have 3 members? So basically I caught scum lying but took it as a slip, blamed the wrong person, because you slipped about something that wasn't true while on someone else's name. That's fucked up. 100% engineered, the "slip" was planned. and had you done a whois you would have found "heist" lounging in channel "Swedeismafia345" with the topic "lets kill the fuckers"
LOL
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On August 18 2011 10:43 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 10:41 bumatlarge wrote:On August 18 2011 10:34 TheCrimsonReaper wrote:On August 18 2011 10:33 heist wrote:
Who was the one who faked as me? /waves. if I know something its how to fuck around with IRC Tell me the slip was intentional. But you didn't even have 3 members? So basically I caught scum lying but took it as a slip, blamed the wrong person, because you slipped about something that wasn't true while on someone else's name. That's fucked up. 100% engineered, and had you done a whois you would have found "heist" lounging in channel "Swedeismafia345" with the topic "lets kill the fuckers"
LOL. That's so dirty.
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Too bad I wasn't there, I always /whois near the beginning of games, haha :p
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On August 18 2011 10:48 Sevryn wrote:
can we get the QT?
Whats a QT?
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Deconduo, what was imbalanced about having 3 mafia esp with gimped KP?
2 does seem a little too low especially with so many power roles, all of which were unique.
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On August 18 2011 10:52 Palmar wrote:
quicktopic
if you had one
oh, no, no quicktopic, went straight to skype since there was only the two of us.
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On August 18 2011 10:54 heist wrote:
Deconduo, what was imbalanced about having 3 mafia esp with gimped KP?
2 does seem a little too low especially with so many power roles, all of which were unique.
3 mafia means lylo after only 2 mislynches. I did a few runthroughs and 2 mafia + traitor should have been balanced apart from the invulnerable blues
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On August 18 2011 11:02 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 10:54 heist wrote:
Deconduo, what was imbalanced about having 3 mafia esp with gimped KP?
2 does seem a little too low especially with so many power roles, all of which were unique. 3 mafia means lylo after only 2 mislynches. I did a few runthroughs and 2 mafia + traitor should have been balanced apart from the invulnerable blues
Hmm, fair enough, now we know.
I also really wanted to play with the puzzle, which is why the fast ending was kind of disappointing.
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what additional info did the mafia get?
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On August 18 2011 11:08 Sevryn wrote:
what additional info did the mafia get?
Here are the Mafia Clues:
The Mafia are Norwegian and Belgian
The Portuguese, the Belgian and the owner of the fish are all on different rows and columns
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omg I'm so good at blue fishing. I knew syllo was a blue like 10 minutes after he talked to me, and I accused him of such.
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I also pretty much pegged him as either Watcher or Tracker. Woot.
Now if only my scumdar were as good as my bluedar...
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Oh and TCR you were way too wishy washy. I'm not at home now but that Skype convo we had was just completely you trying to push me along to lynch someone while maintaining "oh I dont know I'm so confused" etc.
Then you did a complete 180 and talked against Palmar like you were super sure and confident of your ideas.
As for setup, 2 scum is a really small number. Town could lynch by name, but Mafia could only hit by trait, which I think was a huge disadvantage for Mafia. One interesting thing would be to make Town only able to lynch by trait or something, but obviously you'd have to rework the mechanics/give a lot more clues etc. 4 blues is just overkill too.
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Sigh, I was looking forward to solving the puzzle. I knew we were going to win the game though as I had palmar 95% town already and mass claim was going to make things very inconvenient for scum
Curu: it's not like knowing who is blue is that helpful in this setup so I wasn't even trying to be discreet
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Also what was the reward for solving the puzzle
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I only hunt blues, not Mafia.
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Wow this setup was blown up. I was following along with the clues to see if I could solve the thing before you guys could, despite having less information...even started to narrow down the possibilities. Lol.
Not allowing mafia to target specific players was a huge disadvantage, especially with just 2 on the team with 12 players. (Traitors really suck in small games.)
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