EPTI want to lynch Rayzorflash, chaos13, nard and xtfftc right now!
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I want to lynch Rayzorflash, chaos13, nard and xtfftc right now! | ||
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On August 22 2011 17:42 supersoft wrote: i am not convinced of that migthing now... He has been pretty useless so far and refused to do something at the end of day1. But I think it's too early to judge mig. I think we should talk about the result of the rayzoflash-incident first. The common sense at the end of day1 - i am talking about the last 4 hours - was that sev is most likely innocent. However we didn't manage to achieve a new majority for a rayzorflashlynch. Basically there are two possibilities now. First possiblity is, that Rayzor is innocent and the scumteam didn't do anything to influence the outcome of the last 4 hours, because they just didn't care. They would have voted Rayzor and sev together with the town. If that would be the case, the reason why we couldn't swing the votecount is the random inactivity in general. But I don't believe that so many people just weren't here for no reason. I believe the scumteam stayed inactive because they wanted to protect rayzor. And there is the second possibility: Rayzor is scum. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. And i'd also like to hear some reasons for your inactivity @all the ppl who weren't there to vote. so you think Rayzorflash is innocent and all the people were afk like you were... interesting and I don't buy it. But let's see what happens in the next 12 hours... i'd like to hear something from xtfftc, nard, BB, DB and RayzorFlash. Where are you? | ||
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On August 22 2011 22:40 Erandorr wrote: Hes actually contributing. I am at work and do not have much time, I will be available in roughly 3 hours I guess A quick question to the experienced guys : Are you focusing on the guys you know so much because they have the potential to be more dangerous? Because Nard, xtfftc and Vain are just scummy as fuck. i don't understand this either. I agree with your 3 targets, and I completely forgot about vain! | ||
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On August 22 2011 23:17 xtfftc wrote: Posting a lot =/= contributing. He is missing a lot of things in his analyses. For example, first he jumped on me and Nard for not being convinced that Sevryn was mafia and waiting for him. After the lynch, he goes on and on about us not being there to change our votes, although he is also from Europe and should be well aware that the deadline was 4AM. And guess what - Sevryn wasn't mafia. Similarly, he refers to QuickSilver as the vigilante when mentioning that QuickSilver was after me as if QS's role somehow gave extra weight to his opinion. As I've said before, I don't think that Supersoft is mafia but I think that if he focuses more on quality rather than quantity, his posts would be much better. this is no example. You just post things about me in general and try to attack my credibility by saying that I do a lot of posts but there is no content in them. Why don't you share your thoughts on the Rayzorlight thing. Do you believe, that he's town and everyone was just randomly afk at the deciding point of time? | ||
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On August 23 2011 02:58 Vain wrote: Can you write out what information we get then? In my opinion that only creates more wifom On August 23 2011 03:30 xtfftc wrote: He (Vain) is saying that if we agree on one single target for a vigilante, mafia would know who to protect. @vain: you want an answer to your question? filter me. | ||
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There might be the possibility, that you're town and they hope we lynch you and defend you therefor to gain towncredit. | ||
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On August 23 2011 04:22 Vain wrote: wtf, you prefer me but lets just go for xtffc. Sounds logic. Now when its not xtffc you can always say"oh jeah i liked vain better" very convenient ??? Who will finally be lynched, will be decided at the end of the day. it's like ~18 hours left... | ||
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Doesn't convince me yet. If you keep analyzing people, i am willing to switch my vote on vain. I want to hear something about nard, vain, mig and kurumi please. Just your thoughts. | ||
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On August 23 2011 06:30 xtfftc wrote: Yes but in case he is mafia and knows that I am town, he'd be able to point the finger at my most vicious inquisitor. tell me about nard, mig and kurumi. | ||
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On August 23 2011 07:30 wherebugsgo wrote: We need to be careful. I feel like there's enough disorganization that townies are making too many mistakes. We can't have red herrings fuck us in the ass from just having everyone be suspicious. Paranoia will make us unfocused, and that lets mafia win. For now, I propose that we focus on 3 or fewer lynch targets. At the moment, I think xtfftc has the strongest case. After, I would say we can make pretty good cases for both Mig and nard. Vain we can leave alone for now, we can't really build a case on him when he hasn't said anything to begin with. Once we hear some opinions from the players who currently aren't here I think we can get talking some more. i totally agree with you. I was just about getting really paranoid. I don't understand the whole foolishness/mig/chaoser i know it's about meta etc. but why don't we just keep playing this out like usually. We have a pretty solid case against xtfftc based on his vote-patterns and his refuse to commentate on other suspects. | ||
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On August 23 2011 18:30 xtfftc wrote: Wall of text incoming: + Show Spoiler + On August 23 2011 11:37 Curu wrote: xtffc's "two town kills" slip definitely needs to be looked at, and I don't buy his defense. He describes town kills as kills that the Town makes, but that has absolutely nothing to do with modkills. Town does not control modkills, sick slip????? Of course townkills have nothing to do with modkills. Townkills are made by town, modkills by mods. What is the problem? On August 23 2011 08:49 GreYMisT wrote: I posted an analysis of a post by xfftc early on. here it is as well: And I already pointed out what was wrong with this: On August 23 2011 07:17 BrownBear wrote: This is interesting. Can't say it wasn't welcome at the time considering how much Palmar was tunnelling me, but I go back to it and it feels rather strange. He wants "one less player who throws meaningless accusations around" sounds a lot like he wants "no players throwing accusations around" because at that point Palmar was really the only guy who was putting any suspicion on anyone (there was the sevryn thing, but that wasn't born out of someone accusing sevryn, that was more born out of someone noticing a pretty obvious slip sevryn made). Thing is, if nobody's accusing anyone, that's a veeery pro-mafia atmosphere. I suppose from the other side, it could be seen as him wanting to clean up the thread a little bit, but generally, going for the guy with the most posts on day 1 means you want to make day 2 a lot quieter - not a very town-centric viewpoint unless the guy with the most posts is really obvious scum (which Palmar isn't). When you look at this post, you have to look at the context as well - what else was happening at this point of the game. The filter option is great but no statement should be considered without a background. I liked Palmer's strategy and decided to play along. Before my vote on Palmer (and the few other votes that followed), most of his accusations were one-liners. Afterwards, he presented a well-written case against you. It wasn't enough to get you lynched on day 1 but it was a start. On August 23 2011 07:17 BrownBear wrote: Pretty weak and short reasoning to change your opinion and jump on a bandwagon dude. At least your Palmar accusation had some balls behind it. Again, context. When I was asked about Sevryn, I said I wanted to read his response and to analyse his earlier posts further but I needed some time because I had to answer to a lot of other stuff as well. But Curu was not happy with this and said "I don't want a carefully crafted opinion or analysis, I want to know what you think about Sevyrn right now". I gave him that - and now apparently I am guilty for the very same reason. A little more explanation - but still not really any contribution. He wants to see the saga of me/DB/Palmar develop further... At that point it had pretty much settled into Palmar tunnelling me and Dropbear being mostly forgotten. DB was mostly forgotten but I wasn't happy with this. Shows a little bit of a lack of paying attention to the thread... at that point Sev wasn't a modkill candidate (unless the fact that he had voted but unvoted meant he would get modkilled, but I don't think that's how it works. If I'm wrong, then nvm.) Context. How can you seriously say that this shows "a lack of paying attention to the thread"?! Just read Wherebugsgo's post that I was replying to. The question is whether he will get modkilled enough to allow us another lynch target. Again, if anyone isn't paying attention, it is those who build cases against me. Also, there was no chance I was gonna get lynched at that point. After Sevryn, you were the one with most votes at the time ^^ Raises the concept of a no-lynch (this was in the period where everyone was thinking "wait a minute what if Sev's just dumb town?). It was just after midnight in Europe and the question was whether we should stick to Sevryn or unvote him. There wasn't time for anything else. It would be good to bear this in mind tonight as well because unless there are two strong candidates, a switch isn't going to happen in the last few hours before the deadline. So you're saying, instead of just voting and going to pass out, he voted late, then decided to switch for the guy you've been pushing all game... and this makes him scummy? I don't follow your logic at all, care to explain this one? No, he didn't decide to switch. Everyone else who was online was considering switching to Rayzor when Mig came in and voted for Sevryn. Although your case is much better thought through than the arguments against me presented by Supersoft, Quicksilver and Greymist, you have also overlooked quite a few of the facts. :/ I'd really appreciate it if Hiro answers to this: Well you could have asked me why it is that I don't want people throwing random accusations and I would have explained to you what is my stance on the issue. Why it is that you decided to vote before enquiring is beyond me. And finally, there is a limit to how much I can read and write. I can not keep on answering to the same accusations again and again and do a proper analysis of someone else at the same time. Those of you who are unhappy with my previous contributions might want to consider giving me a breather. why won't you tell us your thoughts about these people: nard, kurumi and mig. | ||
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Liquidite - Welcome to TL Mafia XLIV you are JimboSilvers, the retired serial killer, you now live at the old folks home, Paradise Lost, while the place is disgusting, you have adopted a philosophy of pacifism, so taking up the knife against the mafia is not an option, you can however still vote to kill mafia, be quick about getting them lynched so you can go back to sleeping and playing cards. | ||
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If you really are a DT and I got framed, you didn't do your homework. "Why would you feel the need to do this? It defeats the purpose of a pressure vote. It shows a lack of confidence in what he is saying. Why is pointing out that what you are doing is going to be met with criticism of it being stupid? Why would you want to emphasise poor play from yourself if you are town?" -DB Look at AA where I spend the whole first day defending myself because of the exact same thing. I was town btw. "hmm, sevryns behavior had something innocent in my eyes i don't know... Somehow I tend to buy that story... I mean the whole thing started like that: Basic situation: He knew Palmar from former games; and we all know that palmar played some good games for town recently - Palmar accuses DB; I jump on that wagon but declare it as a pressurevote. Varp shows up, says pressurevotes only work if you don't say it's a pressurevote (i 75% agree with that statement) Now the poor sevryn sees all this: he also wants to contribute something by pressurevoting, so he fakes his reason and follows varps advice and gets caught immediately... However that doesn't mean he's town." -SS that was exactly what I was thinking. Why shouldn't I post my thoughts. "yet he still ends up on sevryn because nard and xtfftc don't vote for him. " - DB yes because I wanted to make sure, that there will be a majority. And I wanted to have a majority early, because I wanted to prevent a random hectic voting at the end of the day. | ||
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On August 23 2011 21:49 Curu wrote: Well, all aboard the supersoft wagon. what the fuck, will you please think over that for a second? Whats a claimed DT check worth in a game with framers and Millers? There are like 4 possibilities: I am red and he's a DT I am green and he's red I am Miller and he's DT I am green and framed and he's DT If you hang me and i flip green you won't even have any informations about DB. Read over nards and xtfftcs posts. They are both scum. | ||
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