EPTWhere is L? I haven't seen him in a while. Oh and FW are you still pissed that I got XL? Thats the only reason I can think of for you stealing this number lol.
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Where is L? I haven't seen him in a while. Oh and FW are you still pissed that I got XL? Thats the only reason I can think of for you stealing this number lol. | ||
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I beg to differ On May 29 2011 21:12 flamewheel wrote: you stole the good number I will not forgive you Meapak | ||
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On August 12 2011 11:56 flamewheel wrote: Literal man to the rescue! Good =/= Important | ||
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On August 13 2011 08:55 flamewheel wrote: GMarshal I'll lend you my icon when you make Pony Mafia. This just in, FW admits his icon is my little pony! | ||
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On January 04 2012 16:01 Ciryandor wrote: /IN Goddamn I want another big game. LOL | ||
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On January 08 2012 06:27 GMarshal wrote: I'll be running the observer QT so if anyone wants it when the game starts, PM me. Actually you're playing mr. GM. I'm ordering FW to sign you up. Flamewheel please sign GM up for this game | ||
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On January 12 2012 06:53 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Who's mystlord? I'm just wondering, because it says he's playing with incog. Probably this guy, he's a banling so we have to be on our best behavior since we've now got several mods in here  | ||
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Anyway, I am running for mayor as well. At the moment, I do not most of the mayor candidates. I don’t like Cyber_Cheese because his reasoning for him being mayor is weak in my opinion. Saying that you should be elected because your scum play is bad isn’t very inspiring. His other argument is that he’ll be active (nice trait for a mayor to have but everybody should be active), also he says he’ll lynch the scummiest mayor candidate which I don’t like because one of the mayor candidates may not be the best choice. I don’t like Kitaman because he says he’s not the strongest town player and I want to elect the strongest mayor possible. He also cites his activity as a reason to be elected but like I said earlier, everyone should be active. Kita does say some good things, if the people who I consider stronger players than kita don’t run or look scummy to me, I’d not be opposed to having kita as my sheriff. Bum is a really bad vote. Insane 2 is a good example, another good example is responsibility where kita (the mafia) almost convinced him to mislynch. My point is that bum can be swayed and isn’t the most reliable person to have for mayor. I want a mayor who I can be sure will not be swayed by mafia. Also, I really dislike bum claiming (or at least hinting) blue. I don’t like Mr. Wiggles, his reasoning is basically, “every mayor post will sound the same so vote for me.” While it’s true that mayor posts do sound similar, they put the candidate in the spotlight, and even if the candidate doesn’t get elected, they still have to play by the values they espoused because they publicly said that’s how they’d play. Just because Foolishness is good does not make Bill Murray a good vote. While foolishness is known for random trolling in the first few days, this is just completely ridiculous. While it’s great that BM says he wants to scum hunt and all, I want to elect someone who I’ve seen evidence of good scum hunting and I haven’t seen that from BM (in fairness, I didn’t have the greatest opportunity, however I’m still going to stick with players I know are good). Risk.nuke does the same thing as kita and says he isn’t the best townie, he also says he’s lost interest a few times but swears he won’t do it this game. Famous last words… No offense risk but this isn’t very compelling. Protactinium has one post saying he’ll lynch ciryandor. Not very compelling, maybe that’ll change when he posts more. Out of all the candidates so far, BloodyC0bbler is the one who made the most sense and I would vote for to be my sheriff. He and Bum are both claiming to do a lot of the same thing, however bum (as I said before) can be swayed and manipulated. BC also willing accepts the spotlight which is good and he doesn’t over promise what he can deliver. Bum talks about organizing the town, BC says what he’d do. Subtle but important difference which means without further ado: ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler I’d love to have you be my sheriff :D Now after all that let’s get to why I would make a good mayor. For one thing, I am a good scum hunter. I can claim credit for at least two scum lynches and two successful vigi shots in a recent time frame. My town play is extremely solid and you can count on me to be analyzing and posting throughout the game. While I hate to use this as a reason since I ragged on people earlier for doing it, I’d also like to point out that my scum play is pretty atrocious as evidenced by my performance in the last pyp game. As mayor, I will be constantly scum hunting. Now mayor doesn’t magically give a license to scum hunt, I'll be owning scum hard whether I'm elected or not, it’s the protection I’m looking for. I would like to be able to kill as many scum as possible and that’ll be difficult if I die night one. Electing a mayor is a lot about choosing who will survive the nights, that’s why it’s important to have a townie AND a good player because the longer that player can survive the better. This is why a) I don’t want to vote for people who consider themselves only middling town player and b) why I want BC to be sheriff. Anyway, those are my reasons for getting elected, now on to scum hunting. I’d like everyone to take a quick look at these posts by GGQ: On January 13 2012 15:29 GGQ wrote: Your posts have been very bad so far. This post is also bad. On January 13 2012 15:32 GGQ wrote: Also voting for BM because he is BM is really dumb. He should be treated like any other player, we don't need metagame arguments/discussions about him clogging up the thread. Don't vote for him, stop discussing him until he posts, then talk about his posts. Thanks you. These two posts are extremely bad for town. The first one is bad because he just calls out these people without giving a reason for why their posts were bad. If you’re going to call people out (as I’m doing right now) say why you’re doing it. In fact I’d like to make that clear real quick: If you are town, give reasons when you call people out. There’s absolutely no reason not to share your thoughts. The second post is bad because it contradicts itself and is pretty useless all in all. Nisani does the same thing: On January 13 2012 16:18 Nisani201 wrote: All the mayor candidates suck. Although Nisani later clarifies this post as to why he doesn’t like the candidates, it would have been way better if he had just done that in the first place rather than make a blanket statement. Please please please refrain from making these sorts of posts. If you’re gonna say something is bad, tell us why. This goes for everyone and it’d be great if we had a game where everyone explained stuff when they posted it. Also while we’re on the topic of bad posting, please keep these sorts of questions (@such and such, who do you think about so and so?) to a minimum. They serve no purpose. Questions are powerful tools when used correctly; however mindlessly asking people random questions is a great way for scum to appear active and contributing. So let’s as a town just agree not to do this mkay. I don’t have much else to say at the moment. In anticipation of all the “@Mayor candidate: who would you lynch and why?” posts I’ll just say at the moment I’d lynch GGQ based on what I wrote above, however it’s only like a few hours into the game and not everybody has even checked in yet so I think it’s too early start calling for people’s deaths. However, now is a perfect time for: FOS: GGQ Gonna match actions to words. K I’m going to sleep. I’ll be around tomorrow so I’ll address whatever comes up then. | ||
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On January 13 2012 17:57 GGQ wrote: Hi, VE. Why are you trying to avoid responsibility for your day 1 lynch? Is it because you already know you won't be lynching scum? A more important question GGQ is why are you constantly attacking people? And more importantly, why are you doing it in such a scummy manner? + Show Spoiler + Since I harped on explaining reasons here's why what GGQ is doing is scummy. A townie has every right to call someone out, however a townie has no need to do so in a dismissive and doubt casting manner. GGQ could have phrased his question in a much less confrontational, much more protown manner. Also, it's a only a question... you already know how I feel about simple questions. | ||
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On January 13 2012 18:25 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Scum will run for mayor, and more than likely they will be scummier than most of town. If we inspect the candidates closely, we can easily discern at least one. I bolded the part I don't like. Yes, mayor does offer a lot of incentive for scum in the form of uncheckable. However I don't think it's safe to assume that it's a guarentee, and even if they do we may not be able to tell which one. In this case, it's just a better idea to lynch the scummiest player regardless of whether they were a mayoral candidate. Discussion on whether scum will or will not run for mayor is pretty much WIFOM so I'll just leave it at that, the above is what I think and will be how I conduct the lynch if I'm elected mayor. Ok really going to sleep now :D | ||
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Alright let's talk BC's claim.BC's claim is actually pretty brilliant in my eye and here's why. Before claiming, BC was easily one of the top three candidates for mayor if not the top one. There's little doubt in my mind that BC would have gotten one of the elected positions. Now he could always claim once elected, however that's not a pressure position. He's got bodyguards and immunity from dt checks so there's no danger of dying if he's town, or being found out if he's scum. However by claiming mid day like this it instantly puts a HUGE amount of pressure on him. All eyes are on him at the moment and his every action is being scrutinized. This is an extremely tough position to be in as scum. And so it begs the question, if BC is scum, what is the motivation for claiming like this? He had a great chance at being elected so why mess that up as scum? With this claim BC is willingly taking the spotlight and the scrutiny. While he may be scum and have the biggest balls I've ever seen, I find it far more likely that he is doing his best to demonstrate his good intentions by willingly going on the hot seat. In conclusion, I can only think of town motives for claiming. currently MIA: L, now would be a good time to start posting. Things that are bad in a townie way: Palmar, I don't think you're scum but I'd appreciate if you put more effort into the game. Things that are bad in a scummy way: People calling Palmar scum. Palmar is making himself a really easy target with his blatantly bad posting, it doesn't take much to call someone who's posting like him out. It's people trying to score townie points by looking like they're standing up and acting town when in reality they're just going after something that costs them no skin off their back. Note this doesn't apply to people who have simply asked Palmar to play better (like me lol) I'm instead talking about the people who were like "zomfg lynch palmar." | ||
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Masons hold your shit. Massclaims day 1 are ALWAYS a bad idea. It puts strain on medics, it hands the mafia blue roles without even trying, and it creates a ridiculous mess that would take days to sort out who was actually a mason and who wasn't. I dont know who thought up this massclaim idea but it's stupid and should stop now. | ||
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On January 14 2012 05:34 sandroba wrote: Alright peeps here are the advantages of mass claim masons: 1) It forces mafia to come under a lot of scrutiny if they want to use the mason power. The plan is to watch these people closely and get a lot of the info out in the open, instead of allowing masons to operate in the shadows. The strength of the mason role is that it opperates in the shadows. Forcing a massclaim basically says "well we don't need masons this game." If that's the route you want to go then ok but I'd prefer not to completely render masons useless 2) If mafia doesn't want the spot light they will probably not claim nor use their mason powers, which is very good for town. For this same reason we must not go on a witch hunt on the claimed masons, because they can be of any alignment and may be all town as well. We shall lynch people because of suspicious behavior, not because of trying to find mafia withing the masons. This is true, however mason is a very strong town role and a much weaker mafia role, we're sacrificing a lot for the gain of a little 3) There is not much of a downside to it. If mafia wants to waste their roleblock/kill on mason by all means be my guest. It further protects our really important blue roles which is great. If they choose to ignore them we are back in the same place we we're before with extra info as town that mafia opted not to use. Which is great. The downside is that masons loss their effectiveness. Ok Sandroba, here are my responses to this post. | ||
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My point is this. A player like bc can be deadly with PMs as town, as scum it's much harder to be effective in a normal game so the damage he can do is significantly less as scum. | ||
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On January 14 2012 06:48 Mattchew wrote: this. 100 times over. There is a greater chance scum misleads masons then there is masons catching scum in pm's. Disagree. Maybe I put too much faith into the town's collective ability to think coherently but I maintain that it is easier to catch a scum via PM then it is for a townie to be mislead by scum. | ||
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And on that note I'd like to get back to the mayor/sheriff discussion. The last thing we want is to get completely sidetracked day 1. Bc's claim created good discussion and created a lot of material however we need to refocus and get done what needs to be done. I still support BC to be my sheriff, however given that a lot of people are nervous of him because of his claim I'd like to remind people that Kita is my second choice. If you can't bring yourself to vote BC then vote kita. He's made some good points and he's probably best option behind bc. I'd really like to hear from L right now. He's the only really good vet who hasn't checked in yet and I'd love to hear what he has to say about mayor. | ||
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This is a tough call. On one hand, it is possible that mattchew is town. But the only evidence we have of this is foolishness's word, and with foolishness's actions so far I don't put too much stalk in it. For one, I find it really odd that foolishness would out a blue role just like that, he should know better than that. Another reason is that mattchew seems way too eager to claim confirmed town. At this point in the game it's impossible to know. There's a very real possibility that scum would mason foolishness to try and find out if he's on to them. Ultimately though, trying to determine mattchew's alignment comes down to WIFOM which could get endless. I would feel better about the whole mattchew thing if he took his position and tried to play protown with it however most of his posts since announcing his candidacy have been talking about how he is confirmed which he isn't. Anyway at this point I still feel pretty good about BC despite protact's analysis. Other people who are making sense atm are kita and to a lesser extent WBG. I disagree with WBG that Palmar is scum, I thought I knew what Palmar was trying to do with his bad posting but if he doesn't come in and capitalize on it within the next 12 hours or so I'll be more inclined to think he's scum. I would still love to see L post, I also want more out of GGQ who has done absolutely nothing so far, in terms of lynch I still feel very good about GGQ because I think he fits the lurking scum profile. He's been in the thread but his posts have not been protown and since I'm the only person who seriously called him out he's been able to slip into obscurity. | ||
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On January 14 2012 09:05 Jayjay54 wrote: Hmm. As this thread slowed down a bit, could all the candidates please say what their lynch plan for day one is and why? would be quite nice for the town! Just reading through the thread and found this. It's a good question that every candidate should answer seperately from large posts so people can easily see it. If elected and I had to decide my lynch right now it would be GGQ. As I've said before, his posting has been extremely antitown and he's offered nothing of value. He is a good and veteran player who should know better than this. He also pretty much completely disapeared from the thread, he also (iirc) never addressed my concerns about him. These are both scum traits. As scum, when you're called out it's the best thing often to just ignore the accusation. GGQ did this. Also since I am the only person who has really called him out, whenever I go to sleep or leave my computer GGQ has time to to sink away from public eye, the BC mason storm helped this. When a scum is called out by only one or two people, the easiest strategy is ignore then lurk which is what GGQ did. This is why, at the moment, he'd be my lynch choice. | ||
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On January 14 2012 18:55 Bill Murray wrote: BC, were you THE ORIGINAL mason, or WERE YOU MASONED? Actually, rereading the thread, I realize that I'm a bit unclear as to what exactly encompasses BC's claim. I'm gonna agree with Bill here, BC it's time you come clean here and tell us what's going on. I feel you're town, however you're starting to give off that "I'm hiding something" vibe which doesn't make me comfortable. So, no excuses or beating around the bush. Tell me right now who you masoned. Once you've told us we will then ask them for varification. This honestly shouldn't be that difficult. | ||
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Also I want to know why foolishness wants to lynch Chaosquo. night everyone. | ||
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Palmar, you know you're playing bad, I know you're playing bad, WBG knows you're playing bad. Right now I think you were trying to see who jumped on you for your play. Gambit's over, it's time for you to be useful. And the fact that you compare yourself to kenpachi should really indicate that you've taken this little game as far as it's gonna run. Tell us what you learned by doing what you did. | ||
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My lynch choice is still GGQ. I thought seriously about Palmar but I just could not imagine a situation with him as scum where he'd be stupid enough to post like he is. I'd also briefly like to talk about mattchew. In no way is he confirmed. None. Instead, like everyone else, we only have his actions to judge him by. So far all he has done is use WIFOM arguments about why he's town, call himself confirmed, say he'd lynch three easy suspects, and post extremely aggressively. He hasn't done anything to help the town so I'd advise people not to vote for him. | ||
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On January 15 2012 03:04 VisceraEyes wrote: He masoned Sand Meapak...you're now suspicious for missing what several others have also missed. -.- He posted while I was writing on my itouch, I didn't see it. Anyway sorry for missing it earlier BC, I'll leave my vote on you since the whole "did he or didnt he" issue was the only problem I had. | ||
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On January 15 2012 03:06 Mattchew wrote: Because my posting, my logic, and the lack of cases against me (other than slippery slope highly unlikely situations) make me far more townie than BC is. No actually they don't. Your only reason for being mayor is that you're a mason and that foolishness trusts you. Given foolishnesses actions so far it's pretty clear he's trolling so that's really not an endorsement. And as for your mason claim, you're no more confirmed than BC is and he's done a lot more than you. | ||
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On January 15 2012 03:15 Mattchew wrote: imma quote myself from earlier I guess you're a newer player. This is WIFOM not logical reasoning. | ||
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Moving on, I am still running for mayor and I will not be withdrawing because aside from BC I do not like any of the current candidates. My lynch would be GGQ. Foolishness in your last post you said you had done an analysis on someone. Please refresh my memory who this was. Also wtf is up with the triple vote on WBG? That look suspicious as hell and I'm not going near that with a 10 foot pole. | ||
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On January 15 2012 07:23 ~OpZ~ wrote: I'm changing my vote to mattchew for reasons that I find completely obvious. Everyone else should also. Mattchew got modkilled. Please read the thread. | ||
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Here are the rules for today: 1) We will not vote for more than 5 people at a time. This will keep us focused and prevent scum meddling. You don't like anyone who's being voted for? Convince us of a new person. I have a feeling the scum were able to dictate the vote pretty much at will yesterday because of fragmented votes. If we keep focused we will prevent that. 2) If you vote without providing a reason in the thread I will call for a vigi shot on you. There will be no more sheeping, everyone is expected to have an opinion on the proceedings. Also saying something is "neutral" isn't a read, it's a scum copout. 3) There will be no idle accusations. If you call someone scum then tell the rest of us why you think that. Failure to provide reasoning for accusations is scummy. 4) There will be no tangents. Our job today is to lynch scum and every townie should be working toward that. Speculation on number of X role in game? No. Anymore worthless discussion on masons? No. Any discussion of future events that are not related to the lynch? No. 5) Lastly, unless you're a dt and have found scum DO NOT BLUE CLAIM. If we all follow those simple and straight forward rules then we'll have this game in the bag. | ||
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On January 16 2012 17:13 Scamp wrote: This had better be one excellent analysis post because as I see it GGQ is definitely not the play today. Pray tell who do you think is the right play? I looked back through your filter and was left baffled by the lack of substance. Congratulations! You earned yourself a spot of the "people getting analyzed tomorrow" list. | ||
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On January 13 2012 15:29 GGQ wrote: Your posts have been very bad so far. This post is also bad. With his first post, GGQ starts off on the right foot for scum. He distances himself from Ciryandor and attacks CC. Now you’re probably all saying “Meapak he attacked Ciry who flipped scum, how it that bad?” I understand your concerns however here’s the thing, GGQ is not saying what’s bad about the posts he quoted, he’s just making a blanket statement. Rather than elaborate on why these posts are bad, he’s content to make a statement with no substance. This is scum heaven because it kills three birds with one post. 1) he distances himself from a scumbudy. 2) he’s posting what initially appears to be an opinion so he looks active. 3) he’s discouraging discussion with a negative outlook. Now I’d like to touch on point 2 really quick. Though it sounds like it, this post is not providing an opinion. GGQ is just making a statement; we have no idea why he thinks this or even why it’s relevant. Without this information, we don’t actually know GGQ’s true opinion. I’ll also elaborate on point 3, negativity is great for scum, it makes the thread annoying to read and produces a doom and gloom environment for town. This is a theme throughout GGQ’s posts; everything is “bad” and said in a sarcastic manner. I’m not saying everyone has to be saints, I’m saying that when people are constantly posting negative things it discourages activity and makes the thread a chore to read. Next post: On January 13 2012 15:32 GGQ wrote: Also voting for BM because he is BM is really dumb. He should be treated like any other player, we don't need metagame arguments/discussions about him clogging up the thread. Don't vote for him, stop discussing him until he posts, then talk about his posts. Thanks you. I personally find this post hilarious simply because it’s doing exactly what it rails against i.e. talking about BM because he’s BM. At that point in the game discussion of BM was getting a bit out of hand, however making a whole post talking about it really doesn’t help the problem. Next: On January 13 2012 17:57 GGQ wrote: Hi, VE. Why are you trying to avoid responsibility for your day 1 lynch? Is it because you already know you won't be lynching scum? Oh look, another negative post. Out of VE’s entire post GGQ takes a tiny bit and twists the words around. The real question I have hear is why. Constantly calling things bad is not scum hunting. Just look at this post. It screams passive aggressive and literally it’s only purpose it to discredit VE. To what end? I can think of no townie motive for posting the way GGQ has been posting. It poisons the thread atmosphere and chokes discussion. On January 14 2012 07:19 GGQ wrote: BC is obviously town and I'm voting for him. I lean towards having all masons claim today, but I can see the argument against it as well. Honestly, though, I don't see how being in the open as masons will prevent town masons from operating fully. By the way, Palmar should not be given a free pass to post badly on day 1 so that he won't be killed night 1. That's just silly logic. BC is obviously town huh? Mind telling us why And your points about masons, can you get any more noncommittal? Notice the wording, GGQ is [i[leaning[/i] towards having the masons claim. But more importantly, look at that little paragraph about masons when compared to the rest of his posts. Gone is the arrogant abrasive attitude who called things bad without reason. The GGQ writing the paragraph about masons is a scared GGQ. Using words like “honestly” to qualify his statement shows a lack of conviction that has been absent from his previous posts. Like I said when BC originally made his claim, it forces discussion that scum aren’t ready for, GGQ doesn’t know a) which side will ultimately prevail and b) which side is better for his team. So he pulls the good ‘ole “go both ways.” Whichever mason strategy is used, GGQ can construe this post to show he was in favor or at least wasn’t very opposed. Oh look at the very end, we get a nice swipe on Palmar. How ironic given GGQ’s own play. We can talk about the implications of this post later: [spoiler[ On January 14 2012 09:15 GGQ wrote: [/spoiler]Vigilantes shooting lurkers is fine play. If someone is posting the bare minimum to avoid modkill, it's not a waste to kill them. Next: On January 15 2012 12:02 GGQ wrote: havent caught up, I'm at page 57, but I skipped ahead. don't vote in Protractinium. Seriously, don't. Macpo is pretty clearly a newb town imo Two things about this post: why and why? No reason for why protact is bad, no evidence why Macpo is “newb town.” If GGQ truly believes Macpo is newb town, it should be very easy to find a post or two proving this. Maybe you don’t even need a post, maybe it’s more general attitude, however GGQ can’t do that for some reason. Furthermore, no reasoning is given for why protact is bad. If I see one more person do this I will be sooo pissed. Seriously, if you’ve going to say someone is bad then tell us why, I may agree with you if I know what your reasons are. Anyway this is another GGQ post where on the surface it looks like an opinion but in reality it’s just a statement with no supporting evidence. The next post is very similar: On January 16 2012 12:36 GGQ wrote: lynch protact or cyber_cheese yo Why and why? You can’t just say things like this without reason. Next post I don’t read much into, he’s just giving generic advice and I won’t crucify him for that: His last post: On January 16 2012 13:24 GGQ wrote: Do you honestly believe that someone who is wrong about one lynch should just stop trying? Again, passive aggressive tone for no reason. Tl;dr for everyone. GGQ has consistently posted with a scum oriented mindset. He shows no interest in what’s going on and when he does deign to say something he fails to provide a reason. GGQ’s posting is promoting a mafia favored thread atmosphere and he has failed to adequately explain his reads when he gives them. Also regarding the quote I said we would talk about later, when GGQ flips scum, this quote will suggest that the mafia is fairly active and thus unafraid of vigis shooting inactives. | ||
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On January 17 2012 06:53 Toadesstern wrote: ok back again: We not going to lynch a new guy who barely posted. Theses guys turn out to be unreadable early on and flip by true chance. I've got to admit that I'm not done reading yet but I don't think lynching GGQ is a good idea yet although I would hardly call it a bad idea. We simply got better people. Finding mafia is going to be easier the longer this game takes. You really want to lynch a new guy who HAS to screw up sometimes if he really is mafia? Just lynch the guy we're capable of reading RIGHT NOW: Sandroba It's posts like these that only solidify GGQ is scum. Look at the way Toad defends GGQ, he recognizes the merits of the case but says we have better people. This is a common theme with people who think GGQ is a bad lynch, let's take a look at another such person. On January 17 2012 06:51 p4NDemik wrote: I really don't like GGQ for a lynch candidate btw. Ciryandor was antagonistic and had the same reaction to his posts as he did other townie's accusations. I think he would react differently if he was speaking to a fellow mafia. Again, there's hesitancy and at the same time an unwillingness to engage the issue directly. Neither Toad nor p4ndemik flat out tell me I'm wrong, instead they simply say they don't like it. WHY? I'm fine with you disagreeing with me, what I'm not fine with is people disagreeing without giving a reason. And no, Toad did not give a reason. Saying "there are better people" is a cop out because you don't have to address whether you think the case is good. And in Toad's case, he even says "it's not a bad idea." Well if it's not a bad idea then you must agree with it, if you agree with it then you think GGQ is scum, if you think GGQ is scum then why aren't you voting him? On January 17 2012 02:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Actually Sand, I'm not so sure about GGQ...I'd rather a vig take care of this one than lynch it. I find this post to be humorous as hell. Why would you want to lynch someone with like seven posts Sand? If you really think he's skating-by-scum, wouldn't the optimal play be to let a vig take care of him? Here we have another soft defense of GGQ, VE tactly admits that GGQ is scummy but would rather have a vigi take care of him. I really don't get it. All three of these people acknowledge the case on GGQ but somehow all of them have an excuse for why GGQ is a bad lynch. It's actually baffling, if you say it's a good case then you vote the person, you don't come up with bullshit reasons why they're not the best option. I don't know if all three of these are scum or if one or two just got caught up in retard reasoning, however mark these posts well, this is how scum get pressure off themselves, by admitting the case is good to mollify those pushing the lynch and then offer alternatives to a lynch. I guess here's my final word on the soft defends. If you're gonna step up and defend GGQ then do so, I have no problem with someone defending GGQ as long as they do so in a townie manner. These little softs defends just scream mafia. Just because I think GGQ is mafia it doesn't mean you're mafia for defending him unless you defend him in a scummy way. | ||
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Also for those viewers who are keeping track back home, I'm working my way through the filters of the players I talked about in my post last night, I should have something on who is who in a few hours. | ||
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On January 17 2012 07:47 p4NDemik wrote: Meapak I explained my reasoning clearly and to the point in that post. Ciryandor's behavior in shirking off complaints town brought against him exactly mirrors how he responded to GGQ. I would expect some shift in behavior if he was discrediting a complaint another mafia brought against him. Furthermore when GGQ makes a slight jab at Ciryandor, Ciry wholeheartedly deflects and points the finger back at GGQ. I don't see this as how two mafia would interact. Unless they're really bad. Actually this IS how two mafia interact. The last thing mafia like to do especially on day one is to appear connected in anyway. They will often call each other out and disagree for the simple reason of distance. It's not bad mafia play at all to call your team member out, the trick is simply seperating townies pointing genuine fingers to mafia pointing artificial fingers. In the case of GGQ and Ciryandor, my analysis indicates it's mafia pointing artificaly fingers. | ||
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On January 17 2012 10:10 Bill Murray wrote: WBG I am trying to jail to lower their KP Say L was roleblocked and Lanaia was jailed WHAT IF BOTH ARE MAFIA? That would explain why we had 3 mafia KP last night, and not 4 i am CERTAIN 1 of OpZ or BC are mafia, now, and who else to elect mayor if not the mafia jack? Bill kita claimed a hit. | ||
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So without further ado, please stop allowing the mafia to influence this lynch and vote for GGQ. I'm really tired hearing from the people pushing Sandroba. They have no case and are simply shitting up the thread. Let's get back to actual scum hunting. Of my earlier list, opz deserves a closer look as does scamp (who I added after a later post). Also going to be looking into ToadEastern. You can consider all of these FoS's. Since this is three people, I support enacting a double lynch for tomorrow as I'm fairly certain I will have two scum lined up and ready. Also Bum is MIA, I'd love for him to start posting again. | ||
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Oh and don't pretend that a couple people all shouting "sandroba is scum" using fancy red words somehow equates to "a bunch of people." | ||
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On January 17 2012 11:15 Foolishness wrote: Pretty interesting how you just mentioned Macpo now and decided to (almost) ignore him completely from the start of the game. In fact I find it very very very interesting that you make a lot of posts like these... ...while choosing to ignore a lynch candidate who is under attack from arguably the 2 best scumhunters in this game. Hey Incog, I found another mafia! Hey look who decided to show up! Does it matter when I call people out? The entire list I made from a few posts ago was composed of people I had ignored from the start of the game. Is there a set time when I'm allowed to call people out? And if by "choosing to ignore a lynch candidate who is under attack from arguably the 2 best scumhunters in this game" you mean sandroba than I don't have much faith in "the 2 best scumhunters." | ||
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On January 17 2012 11:21 Foolishness wrote: I'm referring to Macpo...you know the guy who myself and Incog called out on day 1 and then came in with a hilariously bad defense post, and has since gone afk? Oh fun. Actually I'm fairly lost now. Yes I agree Macpo has acted scummy, no he did not immidiatly jump out however subsequent read throughs led me to consider him a suspect. When I made my original list scamp was not on it, he was only added after I saw a few more of his posts. I noticed Macpo when I was rereading the thread at another time. I hardly see how my timing is noteworthy. As to why I'm not calling for his lynch today, I have a better case against GGQ. I really don't care how good you and incog are, neither of you are pushing for his lynch super hard and I feel that protact/incog and sandroba are bad lynches so I'm pushing my own candidate who I feel confident of. | ||
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I'm going out, I'll be back around 10:00PST. In the meantime please read my case. No one has any answer for it. Those who oppose do so in a scummy manner. Sandroba is not a good lynch, there is no real case against him. Protact is not a good lynch, he's pretty obviously town (for evidence look at his reads, I still disagree with his BC read but other than that they're good). Those calling for his death are pretty suspicious. GGQ is the one who dies today. | ||
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If you use incog's logic, I'm scum bussing a teammate. But what's my next move? My red list largely agrees with both yours, if I suddenly back off any of them it'll be super obvious. If I'm scum then I'm locked into bussing my own team for the next several days (given that you, me, and incog all think macpo and opz are scum). I will continue to campaign to get GGQ lynched, he is the best option for today. However, I'm not an idiot, if it comes down to macpo and protact or macpo and sandroba then of course I'll vote macpo. Everyone should vote GGQ though. | ||
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On January 17 2012 14:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Stop splitting the friggin vote. You prefer macpo over sandro or protac, and you have a large number of players saying off macpo. With this much red read by MULTIPLE PLAYERS who are well respected we should be heading where they aim. Jackal is on 3 scum lists and I believe he is a higher profile red to remove than macpo, however given the amount of work provided in analysis on macpo I would understand and support his lynch. Get off ggq, we can let a vig handle him or lynch him tommorrow. Alright fuck it. Apparently those untouchable gods of the game have decreed macpo is scum and must die. Pardon me for trying to get what I believe a surer scum lynched. Voting macpo as the gods demand, they clearly know what's right. | ||
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On January 17 2012 15:22 Foolishness wrote: We don't have enough evidence against Jackal at this point. I'm still defending my position that he's town. We have plenty of better targets anyways. I don't know if I made it clear, this was directed at BC's vote he just cast. Since I'm on my itouch I couldn't copy it over to post. If you want my personal read on Jackal I'd have to reread his filter, he hasn't jumped out at me the way others have. | ||
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To everyone else, goodnight. When I wake up I expect everyone to have unvoted protact and sandro. | ||
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I read a while back you were thinking about me or foolishness, since it's not with me is it with foolishness for sure? | ||
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So get in here and start pushing macpo. You three apparently thought he was the best choice for today. I agree he's scummy but GGQ was better... so in interest of streamlining discussion I went with you guys. However none of you have shown any interest in keeping people on track so if none of you have gotten it together in two hours I'm going back and lynching GGQ. | ||
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On January 18 2012 06:09 wherebugsgo wrote: Meapak, if you knew that someone was going to kill you in the next five minutes what would you do? Why do you insist these players push macpo instead of coming up with your own solid opinion about him? What are your thoughts on Bill Murray? Also, I forgot to include a tiny disclaimer to all townies: As of right now, the "kill reads" I publish may or may not actually be current kill reads. Just FYI. However, I still want opinions from everyone about killing the people I've mentioned. If I was going to die in five minutes I'd say kill GGQ. I beleive macpo is scummy however I'd rather lynch GGQ, someone I think is a much more solid lynch. However I had all three of them tell me to lay off GGQ and lynch macpo. In the interest of keeping votes consolidated and since I have no problem with a macpo lynch I did so. However those three have failed to continue pushing macpo, if they're not going to step up then I'm going back to GGQ and getting him lynched. I have a stronger scum read on GGQ, opz, macpo, and toad then I do on Bill, I view any of these people as more likely to flip scum then bill so I'm opposed to lynching him today. | ||
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On January 18 2012 06:15 Toadesstern wrote: wtf, why are we even considering to kill GGQ. That guy hasn't posted at all. Let the vigs deal with those people. Macpo posted very little as well but I see that he is scummy. Still I'd say it's a job for our vigs. I'd be up for lynching sandroba and if I have to I'd be also up for BM. He might very well flip red but imo it's too risky to lynch him that early. Alright Toad I'm done with you, gonna give our lovely vigis something to shoot at tonight. Expect an analysis in 30-45 minutes. | ||
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On January 18 2012 06:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Alright Toad I'm done with you, gonna give our lovely vigis something to shoot at tonight. Expect an analysis in 30-45 minutes. Toad I thought you were scummy because you have terribad reads, however when I go back through your filter I don't get a scum feel from your posts. You're in the same category as WBG is right now, I don't think you're scum but your reads are atrocious (I do agree with L and to a lesser extent BM however, as I've stated a million times, GGQ is much more likely to flip scum than either of them). Being bad doesn't make you scum, so while you're currently off the mark in many regards, you're not scum because of that. Oh I also looked at Sandroba (again), I still don't think he's scum. Given macpo's latest post I'm going to stick with him as the lynch (it also looks like GGQ will be modkilled). | ||
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On January 18 2012 22:07 Toadesstern wrote: why? I still stand by everything I said: They looked scummy but since they're both lurkers / new players to me they're hard to read. Didn't you try to get GGQ lynched instead? what's the difference here? Why do you mention sandroba or protact but do not mention GGQ? The difference is I tried NOT to get protact/sandroba lynched AND I wasn't opposed to lynching Macpo. GGQ and Macpo are not mutually exclusive, I can support both of their lynches. Macpo and Sandroba are mutually exclusive, yesterday it was either one or the other. Since we have a double lynch we'll lynch GGQ tomorrow and then I'll have an "I told you so" moment. For the second lynch Bill is a very good candidate. Especially with his last few posts lol. | ||
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On January 19 2012 03:29 Toadesstern wrote: my problem with protact right now is that I believe BC to be town because of the most recent lynch. Since all mayor candidates where so close it should have been easy to get a mafia into office => I think BM makes no sense and because of what I just said is mafia. This logic literally does not make sense. Protact has pushed not one but TWO scum to death. Do you really think scum would bus twice? He's way more responsible for the scum deaths than BC is. Toad you're very very wrong right now an have been for the past several days. Please reread the thread and figure out what's going on. | ||
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Lynch: GGQ (already stated why) L (his play looks very similar to responsibility). Should lynch later on opz and BM. These are people I feel pretty certain are scum. I will provide some analysis of opz should I survive the night. Don't lynch: protact. People calling for his death are either stupid or scum. BC because aside from his mislynch of Palmar I feel he's acted in a protown manner... Just needs to be more active. Bum it's time for you to come back to the thread, several times I've forgotten you were playing then I go read day 1. If people are looking for someone who ran than disappeared look no further than bum. This may be a little surprising but I don't think Jackal is scum. He's done nothing so far however I realized he was also playing in purgatory. I may have the times mixed up but I think he just got killed there which would corrospond with his spike in activity here. Give him a day, we've got bigger fish to fry anyway. I'll be back! | ||
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On January 16 2012 12:32 L wrote: I was rolebrocked. More news to follow shortly. So this was a lie, and since no one ever CC'd and we've had no claim today I'd bet mafia has no roleblocker and L posted this in order to spread doubt. Also, I just reviewed L's filter and I'm having problems with lynching BM due to it. L seemed intent on killing BM, like most of the times he calls people out it's BM. Given the suspicion Bill has been under I don't think it would be hard at all for L to have accidentally gotten a lynch rolling on BM. This seems like a really weird chance for scum to take, you've got an elected position who is immune to DT checks, why would you bus them out of everyone on the team. There's a logical disconnect here and I think we should back off BM for a second and everyone should individually go over this link here. Secondly, how the hell is GGQ not up to lynch? I'm sick and tired of an obvious scum skating here. | ||
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On January 19 2012 15:06 Foolishness wrote: Was just about to say, if someone got roleblocked please speak up now so we know if they have one or not. Normally I would agree with you except it's L, and L will always gun for Bill Murray no matter what. Even so, I think we should step back and think about the Bill Murray lynch before rushing into it. You/protact have correctly called out enough scum that if you guys really think Bill is scum I'll go with it however at the moment I don't feel it's our best option. also just saw bill's claim, why don't you have both bombs out? You've had two nights :/ | ||
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On January 19 2012 15:23 bumatlarge wrote: Meapak is clearly scum. His GGQ push is just one big crutch for him. Just read his last two posts. ##Vote meapak_ziphh Hey bum glad you decided to start playing. Actually let's just get this out of the way. Can anyone who is suspicious of me please vote for me now? I'd like to get a headcount so I can address all your concerns. I've seen my name thrown out a couple times and I'm baffled so if you'd just do that we can put this to rest once and for all. Now bum. You say my case is one giant crutch. Do you agree or disagree with my case? Why is it a crutch? I've shared plenty of other reads. True I haven't persued any to lynch but that's because I feel GGQ is the best option. I already promised that tomorrow I would have an analysis of opz. Other than a spat with toad I've helped keep the thread on track. Besides, GGQ isn't the only thing I've posted a lot about. I've also worked against lynching protact and sandroba. You call me out for being willing to vote with protact/foolishness. Why not? They've collectively called out three confirmed scum and I agree with the majority of their reads. Is it scummy to agree with someone who's making sense? Now let's contrast that with you bum. You've done nothing since day one. You ran a halfassed campaign for mayor, you were missing from the discussion yesterday. Other than me what are you reads? You don't even have a proper case against me, just a lame little "clearly scum becuz crutch" which as I've pointed out makes no sense. Please reread the thread and figure out what's going on bum because at the moment you have zero credibility. Alright next! | ||
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On January 19 2012 17:47 Kenpachi wrote: mafia should surrender no? By your vote I assume you harbor suspicions of me. Please let me know what they are so I can address them. Anyway I'm going to bed, see you all tomorrow. | ||
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On January 14 2012 06:02 ~OpZ~ wrote: I'm still wondering the proper benefits to the mass mason claim. I'm neutral as again, the role seems rather bland for the town this game. Being a mason doesn't confirm you. I'd like to know the general town consensus. So far I see Sandroba screaming for mass mason claim. Which I suppose all of the whisperers being public knowledge would be a good thing. But I don't wanna feel like sheep. I suppose theres no way around it though, or that its really important. I'm Mason #2. And I mason'd BC. But he won't talk to me. *cries* This is a scum post. He’s neutral, everything about this post is neutral. Wishy washy and neutral are scum behaviors. On January 15 2012 08:22 ~OpZ~ wrote: I like L's direction his post carries. They like all the extraneous drama that everyone elses had. He's also a notable scum hunter, and very successful at it. I think I'm leaving my vote for him on him actually. Supports a flipped mafia for mayor. On January 15 2012 08:55 ~OpZ~ wrote: In all seriousness, please it would be nice to know which of you is posting. At any rate, you have given what kind of direction with your 3 posts before this one where you claim to have been giving direction? You are representing yourself falsely. Something someone on the mafia team would do. You have also gotten a lot of support without posting damn near anything. I think your highly probable mafia. Starts calling out and trying to discredit protact. On January 17 2012 03:03 ~OpZ~ wrote: Could Lanaia be mafia? You ever consider that? I have...Not just the long post today were neutral. Almost every post. But I'll be pointing that out later, I gotta do some things real quick. Up until this post he’s never mentioned Lanaia and look at how he does so, he calls her out for neutral posts… lol. He says he’ll point all the stuff out later… I’ll wait for later to see what he has to say. On January 17 2012 08:01 ~OpZ~ wrote: I want to lynch Lanaia. Every post is wishywashy, and that big post with probably 30 people on it was a huge attempt to appear to be doing something. Just doesn't feel right. Well that’s his reason, he’s either not putting effort or he doesn’t believe his own case. It’s also ironic since he calls her out for the exact same thing he himself did. This just seems like an effort to split town votes more, especially since he never comes back to her. On January 17 2012 08:17 ~OpZ~ wrote: I've never played with her, and regardless of it, I said I feel off. I'm trusting my gut on this one. She is mafia. Protact is suspected strongly mafia to me and should be to everyone else, plus annoying as heck, example: They've been asked repeatedly, by multiple people, to post which one of them are posting. It's not hard or difficult to comply with that, and seems reasonable I believe. Also, THEY gained a random ass following, claimed to have had given Day one direction, when they had all of 4 posts when they claimed to have given direction to the day. Seriously. That's a load of horse manure. I don't trust protact, at all even if he pointed out ciryandor. He wasn't the first to call him out and even changed his target to BC afterwards. I won't sheep after his wishes. More discrediting of protact. Here’s my feeling with people who call out protact, it’s fine, to be suspicious on day one when protact’s reads haven’t been shown to be correct, however at this point protact has been right about one mafia and a lot of people in the thread believe he’s on track to a second. Hindsight shows that protact is subsequently right about two more mafia and this begs the question, why is opz so certain protact is mafia? Unless you believe he was bussing, he’s already scored one kill, the worst you should be is mildly suspicious at this point. Also his reasoning is stupid. Basically it boils down to them not signing their posts and having a “random ass following.” News flash, it’s normal for people to listen to players who correctly call out scum. On January 17 2012 10:02 ~OpZ~ wrote: Protactinum, Incognito/Mystlord, again, for the umpteenth time, many in the thread, myself, Lanaia, BC, and I'm sure others, have asked you to head your posts with the person posting. More random calling out of protact simply because they don’t head their posts. This doesn’t make protact mafia lol. On January 18 2012 09:49 ~OpZ~ wrote: most awful, and utter bull shit. Mattchew was modkilled for by the time I posted that, that which I had not known. WHY I WAS CERTAIN, was because of why he was modkilled. You could see his pms were only from Foolishness as opposed to if he was mafia, he would ALMOST CERTAINLY have atleast a pm from another person. "Right off the bat he wants to support BM because he is "easy to read" and has however posted no content on this matter afterwards. He then suggests that Kita and Wiggles can read him. (Kita + Wiggles were both shot at last night). Interesting so far..." What did you do? Just click my filter and read my posts out of context? The portion was dedicated to Kita and Wiggles, FOR AS TO WHY I would say Foolishness would push BM as a candidate, not with regards to Kita and Wiggles reading BM. Has Wiggles even played a game with BM, (or am I confusing him with Meapak)? Masons are terribly weak in this game in my opinion BESIDES in mafia hands. Sure, I can bounce ideas off one person in PM, OR I CAN BOUNCE THEM OFF THE ENTIRE THREAD. I believe this is something me and BC were in agreement about. Then you point out me asking you about protact?! Holy fucking shit son. I haven't been the harbinger of Protact is mafia or anything this game. Oh no. I asked Scamp, WHO HAS BEEN MIGHTY QUIET, about Protact changing from Ciryandor to wanting to lynch BC, WHO I HAD the strongest town read on. Get this trash out of my face you protact following scum. I've done pointed out you buddying him once. The portion about voting L instead of Mattchew, because I knew he was blue? MATTCHEW WAS DEAD, by the point. Jesus fucking christ. Learn to build a case proper. You mad cuz I pointed you out for buddying your scum buddy protact? So lets note, everything you have as a case against me is: A) wrong B) out of context C) a lie While me pointing you out for voting for protact for no reason still stands, with the amazing defense of, "You didn't point anyone else out for voting for protact!!" In this post: He makes no mention of his reason for voting Protactinum, blatantly ignoring my question. So I wanna take all these posts together as one. This is why I brought up sheth earlier. This is his big case, this is his was his push when he was alive. Analyzing and calling out opz. He actually doesn’t have half bad of a case, I won’t rehash it, it’s all in the spoilers. However it’s not Sheth’s case that is the big deal here, it’s opz’s reaction. All the neutrality and careful posting have flown away in the sudden face of raw fear of being lynched. It’s actually very strange how agitated and aggressive opz becomes when sheth calls him out. He pulls out the bold, all caps, and swear words, going waaaay over board. If you’re innocent, you know it and you can approach someone’s claims with rational thought because deep down you KNOW you’re town. Scum don’t have that luxury, when they get called out they have nowhere to run because they know the accusations are correct. I know this fear, I felt it in PYP:I, it makes you wanna either lurk or just go balls to the walls berserk on the person who called you out because there’s nothing you can do to stop them from being right. Opz’s change of tone in this post is hugely scummy before we even get to it’s content. But that said, let’s take a peek at the content. His first part about mattchew is incoherent at best, it seems like he’s saying he’s voting for mattchew because he flipped when he was modkilled :/. He emphasizes the weakness of masons, which is funny considering that he’s supposed to be a mason. He claims he hasn’t been the harbinger of mafia against protact which is pretty funny considering when you read his filter (as he suggests you do), there are certainly a lot of posts dedicated to protact. He ends his defense with some fairly nasty attacks of sheth for no reason, personally insulting him and then OMGUSing as well. Quite frankly I find this post to be worthy of a lynch in of itself, there is nothing townie about this defense, instead it’s about opz screaming “you’re wrong and you’re bad” in all caps and in bold. When this is added to his earlier behavior the case becomes more solid, and that isn’t even the icing on the cake. Guess who died last night? The one and only Liquid’Sheth. Why did sheth, a relatively new player and someone who hasn’t proved themselves as a stone cold scum killer warrant a hit? A look through his filter provides the answer. His life was almost completely dedicated to lynching GGQ. Sheth has done this before. In responsibility he correctly nailed the final scum and was then shot at night. So I ask to consider all of this. Opz’s posts before being called out by sheth, his terrible post defending himself, and sheth’s subsequent death. Opz is mafia. @BC since you apparently harbor suspcions of me please post them so we can deal with it. My first vote will stay on GGQ, I'll decide my second by tomorrow afternoon. | ||
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On January 20 2012 14:29 Nisani201 wrote: Meapak, your case against Opz is not very good. You are basically calling him scum for being wrong (about Protact), while throwing in some mafia kill WIFOM. I guess you didn't read it then lol. If you had you'd know those are two supporting tenets not the main idea. | ||
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On January 20 2012 14:47 Nisani201 wrote: OK then fine, you're calling him out for being consistent and pressuring against Protact... Chainsaw much? LOL wow you still didn't read it (or you fail at reading comprehension). He pressures protact when it's fairly obvious protact was town (scummy) and then when sheth calls him out on it he completely backtracks and claims he wasn't a big force against protact (ridiculous contradiction which looks extremely scummy). Please, if you're going to comment at least understand what's going on. | ||
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On January 20 2012 14:52 p4NDemik wrote: Meapak I'm very wary of getting behind the lynch of a dead townie primarily because he was town, which is what it seems like you're doing there. Nisani is right, a lot of your case is predicated on OpZ's continued distrust of Protactinium, which is fairly reasonable imo. Once Macpo was lynched and turned red (this happened on the 18th, after all of the posts you quoted) if people still are overly pushing for Protact's head then I'd say they are either horribad town or even more horribad mafia. I actually disagree that calling for protacts death on day two was reasonable so from that standpoint you and I are just gonna disagree. I understand private suspicions but full-blown calls for protacts death even before macpos death are suspicious to me. Yesterday, when I wasn't calling for GGQ's head I was advocating against lynching protact and sandroba. | ||
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On January 20 2012 15:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote: can you quote me the posts of you advocating against protrac and roba? I see alot of ggq posts in your filter and can't seem to see the ones you just referenced. I could be blind or skimming way to fast however. I'm on my itouch so I can't c/p but the posts I'm refering to are from the middle of page 3 to the top of page 4 on my filter. Some of the are part of anti GGQ posts, if you still can't find them I'll get them all together tomorrow. | ||
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Besides these somewhat ethereal reasons, BC's case on KJ is good and KJ's defense of himself and his choice of lynch target I feel are scummy. At the time KJ went after p4ndemik I felt like it was a scum motivated move because p4n hadn't done much and would not be a controversial lynch target. P4ndemik started posting more and while I haven't noticed supersoft as an obviscum, p4n's case was made in a town fashion which makes KJ's choice of him as someone who's "scummy" even worse. Also BC, did you find my posts defending protact/sandroba or do you want me to c/p them for you? A word on BM, like I said earlier, I don't think he's a good lynch for today. L's accusations felt too genuine. I also don't want to run the risk of losing protact if BM really is telling the truth about being a hatter. | ||
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On January 21 2012 05:26 Toadesstern wrote: yeah I'm so confused right now. I've been bitchslapped left and right. People called my case on sandroba retarded and I think I was the first one who said he might be scum although I was not the first who did the job to build a case although I think my case is the best :3 And now out of nowhere protact wants to lynch sandroba and BC / foolish follow him? I have no idea what's going on. I'm gonna take this post as a good opportunity to talk about sandroba as well. So I defended him a lot yesterday. I felt like he was an extremely poor lynch choice especially with the other options at hand (GGQ ). People like Toad who were pushing for sand's death (yes toad I know you're not the only one) did not have a very strong case (I felt) and it seemed to me like scum trying to run a mislynch with protact/sandroba rather than the obviscum GGQ. Later in the day, there was a shift to macpo and the three previous candidates were largely forgotten. Now since macpo flipped red I can't fault this shift as scum. Fast forward to today. The big three (protact/foolishness/BC) now think that sandroba is scum. Similarly they've exonerated GGQ. Quite frankly I'm baffled. There was one brief dismissive post made by foolishness(?) about how GGQ was cleared and that was never revisited. Meanwhile, the case made on sandroba is extremely unclear, at some point he just switches to being scum in their eyes. When I do see them make a case, like Toad said, it really just rehashes the stuff that was said yesterday. It's not like something new happened that made them think sandroba was scum, they just suddenly changed their mind. So here's where I stand. I independantly was becoming suspicious of sandroba because of how he's lurked when the pressure was off of him. However the shift towards him by the three, seemingly without any new information, gave me pause. So I'd like to take this oppertunity to clear some things up BC/Foolishness/Incog: Why is Sandroba scum? Why is GGQ not? Where along the line did these things change? You guys have collectively delivered three scum and that's great, but you can't fault me for being a little weary when your positions change seemingly out of the blue. I'm gonna echo P4ndemik a little here and I'm going to ask you to fully explain why you're thinking what you're thinking. | ||
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In all seriousness, I really would appreciate the reasoning behind sandroba. I can understand not wanting protact to die (I share the sentiment) but sandroba feels like a really poor choice and almost an attempt to cash into the anti-sandroba sentiment from yesterday. All we're (and by me I mean the people who have been posting in the last five pages) asking for is a reason that isn't a rehash of yesterday's argument which you guys poopoo'd. I think a lot of us (at least Toad does and like I already said I've started to as well) harbor at least some suspicions of sandroba however the manner in which you're presenting your case is running up some red flags (and certainly my suspicions are not lynch worthy yet, hence why I'd like to hear your case). Also BC, I'd love if you could mason me next cycle (I assume you've already used it this cycle). | ||
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On January 21 2012 06:51 p4NDemik wrote: Seriously these three are beyond reason right now. This is super fucking fishy. Ok ok ok everyone hold your horses. We'd all like to hear a coherent case out of the triumvirate. However let's not let things get blown out of porportion. Yes, we'd all like them just to spell it out, yes we are frustrated at their collective inability to explain wtf is going on. However now is not the time for veiled attacks on their credibility. This is the kinda thing I called out opz (still scum btw) for. We can be frustrated but it's not necessary to start spreading doubt yet. If they can't get their shit together by the lynch and the lynch falls apart and one or two townies die then we can start calling for some heat. Until then let's give them an oppertunity to respond to our requests. I think we (and by we I once again mean the recently active people) have made it clear what we need to hear. Let's not go overboard and start heaving accusations till we've heard their responses. | ||
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On January 21 2012 07:00 p4NDemik wrote: why would bill be actively trolling us like this? your argument for not voting for him is defining his play as anti-town but you qualify it by saying he is actual town that is trolling us? why are you ignoring the much more likely probability that he is mafia and his anti-town actions are anti-town because he is MAFIA? seriously I don't have this mad history with BM is he capable of ruining games like this? I know he's been banned but is this really the more likely possibility right now? Look at his mod notes. There should be several mentions of stuff that's happened in there. This is a case where he has actually done stuff like this in the past, it's really not that far fetched. Also I think those currently reading the thread need to all take five. We have a fairly good atmosphere going right now and it'd be a shame to throw it away. | ||
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People seriously need to get off BM now. | ||
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On January 21 2012 09:31 rgTheSchworz wrote: 1.You are suspicious already. 2. Get off BM??Can't you see he is BS-ing about being hatter and playing on your fear?Read my last post. You are being watched lol | ||
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I'm going out, I'll be back in an hour or so. | ||
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Can we kill GGQ tomorrow? Hiro I still want to hear who else you've checked, you so far have only volunteered Sandroba's name, it'd be great to have the rest. | ||
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Move it to brownbear tonight or you die tomorrow (yes you die ahead of GGQ *gasp). | ||
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On January 21 2012 13:07 bumatlarge wrote: Why brownbear? I know you said I should be the other target, so I'd prefer it be him, but I didn't see anyone explain why BB is scummy? BrownBear has done F all this game, he shares the antipathy trait found in every mafia killed so far. Why bother lynching when you can bomb? The reason I said him over you is because you suddenly got a lot more active so maybe there's hope for you and also because I feel like lynching you would be a better death since if you're scum I have a feeling they'd be pretty desperate to save you given the hits they're taking. | ||
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Figured I'd be bolder if I had been up there | ||
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On January 21 2012 13:16 Slardar wrote: Meapak you scum bro? Just after the Double Lynch day gets derailed all to hell by scum pointing out random individuals to confuse everyone, you do the same? FoS lol | ||
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Either way I'd appreciate if you and foolishness would actually stand up and post a case against me rather than doing your veiled little "he's scum" statements. | ||
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Also I'm voting for BM, he's acted detrimental to town interest and has lied one too many times. And now that incog's dead there's no risk if somehow he flips town. | ||
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I think hiro looks very suspicious at the moment. But I'd rather cover all our bases before we go lynch him. After all it'd be pretty derpy if we lynched a dt. However all this is moot for today because bill is dying. | ||
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On January 23 2012 07:57 Cyber_Cheese wrote: On second or third thought, let's respect his wishes, stop trying to lynch a potential DT for now, and focus on who other than BM is scummy. Toad, VE, supersoft, risk.nuke and kitaman all need further inspection imo, will get around to writing up some analysis at some point. Kita, toad, and VE all claimed hits which weren't CC'd. It's possible that VE or toad is a scum hiding behind a double stack but I think it's pretty likely that kita is confirmed. | ||
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Let's summarize real quick why people are suspicious. You did not have the correct format when you first made your claim, the person you claimed to have found was most likely going to die anyway, the only other person in the game who claimed a roleblock flipped scum, and now you refuse to tell us who else you've checked even though they're supposedly green not blue. I hope you understand why people are skeptical. | ||
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I have hiro as scum for a lot of reasons. He screwed up the format on his check, he claimed a check on someone who was almost assured to die, he didn't die last night, he refuses to release the name of his other check, he claimed roleblocked when the only other person to claim rb was the gf, his reads are waaaaay to good especially when compared to townie hiro, and he refuses to cooperate here in the thread. All of this has convinced me that he's scum. These are my most assured reads, however that leaves three people left. I feel good about a BM lynch. I hear all those who are making meta arguments against him, however he's just acted far too anti-town for me to justify a meta argument. He's lied more times then I can count. He hasn't jailed high priority targets, his reads have been all over the place. At this point he's become a distraction that's hurting the town and all he has going for him are meta arguments. Two more people, I think the last two scum will be in the: bum, bb, nisani201, munk-e, and kenpachi crowd. I'll need to take a closer look at these people and weed out the scum from there. Also people need to vote DL, we have a lot of scum to kill and I think between opz, glurio, and hiro we have enough targets to justify a dl. Right now we really need to lower scum kp and the dl will do it. | ||
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Also, scum doesn't necessarily have all their roles, from the OP: You also must choose the Godfather, Roleblocker, Jack, and/or Framer from among yourselves. These [potentially] four Mafia power roles must be separately distributed, meaning one Mafia member can only possess one of these powers. Given that only the gf and an extremely suspicious dt have claimed rb'd I think it's highly likely there isn't a dt. | ||
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On January 14 2012 06:02 ~OpZ~ wrote: I'm still wondering the proper benefits to the mass mason claim. I'm neutral as again, the role seems rather bland for the town this game. Being a mason doesn't confirm you. I'd like to know the general town consensus. So far I see Sandroba screaming for mass mason claim. Which I suppose all of the whisperers being public knowledge would be a good thing. But I don't wanna feel like sheep. I suppose theres no way around it though, or that its really important. I'm Mason #2. And I mason'd BC. But he won't talk to me. *cries* My mistake, it was opz who slipped. | ||
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Now let's talk opz. He's a vet, he's been around for several years iirc. If you think that a mason has to be a vet then opz fits your bill just about as well as BC. This is completely ignoring play as well. I would argue that BC has been more or less helpful to the town, meanwhile opz has been fairly bad. Also since we're speculating, no one who's gone after BC hardcore has ended up dead. Meanwhile the person who went after opz the hardest ended up dead. Just consider that while we're speculating toad | ||
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On January 24 2012 07:23 Cwave wrote: Hello mafia jack!!! If you "were" a mason"? You ARE a mason or so you claimed............! ##VOTE: BloodyC0bbler Wait are you clueless? BC has masoned a different person every day. He's got logs to prove it. | ||
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I started the game fairly certain that I would be town. When I got my Vet role I immediately set about trying to be as noticed as possible. I didn’t necessarily need to be right, I just needed to make sense and look like I would be right somewhere down the road. Unfortunately for me personally, with BC/L/Bum/Foolishness/Incognito/Bill in the game I was at a recognition disadvantage. These players WILL take up discussion in the thread regardless of what I say (short of claiming scum ). However several things worked initially in my favor. L was gone for a lot of the day, Foolishness was making people suspicious, Incog had attracted his share of detractors, Bill was being Bill, and BC was the only person making sense. In this opening I decided to run for mayor. Now from the start I knew I wouldn’t win. Big names have the advantage of being memorable and I just wouldn’t garner the support with those guys in there. But I needed my name getting mentioned as someone who was making sense. The way I saw it, if my name wasn’t mentioned in a positive light at least once every two pages I was failing. As a Vet, it’s my job to appear as protown as possible and to make mafia scared. They don’t even have to be scared of what I’m doing right now; they need to be scared of what I can do. So I got my mayor campaign underway with GGQ as my lynch target. I was mentioned several times day one as someone who was making sense, however as I had expected, discussion of the big names drowned out any noise I was making. When BC made his mason claim I saw an opportunity. I had expected people would get all over him for it like they did, however at this point I was getting significant town vibes from him and so I took his side and supported him early after his claim when a lot of people were screaming at him. I still have no idea why he claimed, however I was confident he wasn’t mafia and wanted to be seen as unafraid to stand up and give an opinion. Similarly with the whole Palmar deal, when people started calling for his head I stood up and defended him because I assumed he had a plan, and I felt reasonably certain that scum wouldn’t just roll over like he was. When day one was over, I felt pretty good. My read on Palmar had been correct, GGQ had only acted worse, BC had been elected and despite the Palmar lynch I still felt good about him. However when day rolled around and I hadn’t died I was super pissed. I read my filter and decided that I hadn’t been active enough or aggressive enough to warrant a shot. Never did it cross my mind that I was simply wrong. With the newfound resolve to take the thread and force it where I wanted, I came out day two guns blazing. This was my biggest mistake of the game. I still feel that my case on GGQ was good, hell Incog agreed for a while. But in trying to be aggressive I allowed myself to tunnel. Now I don’t think I’ve ever hardcore tunneled someone before. Ever. I’ve played almost 20 games and I’ve always tried to remain open towards new developments. However in my quest to gain attention and seize control of the thread (since at the time it seemed like neither foolishness nor incog felt like leading) I put blinders on and ignored everything else. I defended Incog and Sandroba whenever I wasn’t going after GGQ. Incog I thought was obvious, he had called ciry and he agreed with me on GGQ. However I flat out screwed up on sandroba. I’ll confess, I never read his filter the entire day 2 and just assumed he was town since he had pushed GGQ, my assumption was that since I was the only one pushing GGQ, a mafia wouldn’t want to draw attention to the case and since GGQ was mafia… Not one of my better moments all around. My sharp increase in aggressiveness and activity also backfired. While it was intended to look protown, it actually got people nervous. No one in the game had ever seen me play like that and a lot of people were understandably skittish of associating with me. I could see this happening at the time, however when GGQ flipped scum I figured people would come back to me. I got in a stupid spat with toad as well; however it probably helped me a lot in hindsight. Caught up in the moment I decided that toad must be wrong since his reads were so bad (he was pushing sandroba -_-). However upon reading back through his filter, I couldn’t find anything overtly scummy and at the same time I was exposed to a lot of `roba’s posts which started me thinking a bit. Obviously I couldn’t pull a 360 and stop pushing GGQ (especially when I still thought he was scum), however I was opening up to voting for someone else. When Incog swept in with his macpo case I saw my opportunity, jumped off the GGQ ship and voted macpo. Macpo died, I was even more certain that BC/Foolishness/Incog were town, but I still had GGQ to lynch and I hadn’t actually made myself look more protown. When the day came and I still hadn’t taken a shot I was starting to get frustrated. I’ve been killed night one three or four times and now that I was trying to get hit it wasn’t working. So I changed styles for the third time in as many days. This style is probably the closest to how I’d play VT except with more analysis. Because of my tunneling GGQ, I felt like I had locked myself up to a certain extent; however I realized I needed to do some reading and find some more scum. It was through this reading that I came upon opz and bum. The problem was, both were gut reads with very little substance. Also, I was bleeding credibility in the thread as both townies and mafia were taking potshots at me. I was in no danger of being lynched, however my opinions were in danger of being relegated to the place WBG’s were. I did have a few things going for me; I read through my own filter a lot and was pretty familiar with anything that could be possibly construed against me. This allowed me to respond accurately and without contradicting myself in a timely manner. I was also pretty sure that the “Big three” couldn’t lynch me. Call it ego or whatever, but I think I could have fought off a lynch. Plus town was skittish of them working together so I think a combined effort by them would have set too many people off. Plus I had the added benefit that Incog thought I was town, in his own words he thought I was trying to be “the town hero” which was surprisingly accurate for my day two goals. Given this sense of security I felt free to go after opz even though I knew my case wasn’t very good. A lot of it did rely on kill WIFOM and sheth’s old analysis. However I personally had faith in Sheth. His analysis and subsequent death had an eerie feel of déjà vu about them from responsibility mafia. With the case against opz I was able to relieve a bit of the tension that came from being locked into one person At this point I was fairly certain I wouldn’t be hit. I had so far failed to put any major pressure on the mafia and while I was right about bum and opz, I didn’t have the credibility to effectively go after them. I started scheming up ways of grabbing the spotlight during the night. I eventually settled upon a plan to fake claim DT at the start of night four. I’d claim to have gotten scum checks on GGQ night one and opz night three and that I had got role blocked night 2. I was still sure about my reads and wanted to give the mafia a reason to shoot at me. However the dawn of the day squashed any hope in that plan. With GGQ’s death I was 100% certain that the mafia was setting me up with frankly pissed me off, they obviously thought I would be the easiest mislynch and that just made me mad. Thankfully, the whole BM drama from the previous day was still going on and I was able to lie lower and collect myself. I’ll speak briefly about the BM situation for a sec. At all costs I wanted to avoid losing Incog. For me, no matter how anti-town Bill had acted there was still the chance he was telling the truth. I have to give you props here Bill, you said post game you were trying to play dopey `ole Bill who would do things off the cuff, I have to say well played sir. I didn’t buy it 100%, I didn’t even buy it 50%, but losing Incog would have been too big a blow. However with Incog’s death and the whole Bill or BC thing going on, I decided to take this day to get my reads straight and be ready when Bum/opz came for me the following day. At this point I felt like the thread had an equal chance of going after me as it did leaving me be. I was certain after Incog’s death and BM’s subsequent bumbling that he would flip scum which would leave BC as all but confirmed. With both Foolishness and BC calling for my death I wasn’t so certain I could fight off a lynch if both mafia and town was against me. With this in mind I asked BC to mason me in hopes that I could change his mind. As luck would have it, GGQ’s death had already started to change it, but me masoning him ended up being the smartest thing I did. Between the two of us we solidified opz and bum as the next day’s targets and we (or at least for me) cleared toad, BrownBear, slardar, bugs, ja22, and p4ndemik. We (or again maybe this was just me) did have a misstep when we started getting suspicious of hiro. This was mostly my fault however we were prepared to go after hiro once bum and opz were dead. The day ended with BM’s death and the modkills. It was kinda disappointing to be honest, with the stuff that was starting to happen that night, BC and I would have realized that hiro was legit and started looking elsewhere. With Bug’s help (who had just started showing interest again) we could have lynched opz easy and bum as well without too much difficulty. However the game ended before I could get redemption for my earlier tunneling of GGQ. Now I’m going to talk a little bit about play style. In my opinion (preface, all the following is my opinion), there are two types of players, those who put in effort and those who don’t. Of those who try, they’re broken down into two groups as well; the analysts whose page long write-ups catch scum with chilling accuracy, and the diplomats who control the thread via frequent posting. The analysts are by and large older players. Ver is probably their king. They don’t need to post a lot, they save their words for their magnum opuses which absolutely destroy the scum team. They’re rarely pressured except by newer players who don’t understand their power. They’re not always effective early game but if given time they will find you. They’re the type who get shot night one (at least by a competent mafia team ) every game because of the threat they pose, even if it means double or triple stacking. Incog played a fairly typical analyst style this game. The other type is the diplomat. I use diplomat very roughly, because the players who fall into this category are anything but diplomatic. Palmar is probably the best example of a diplomat. He doesn’t need huge posts to find scum, he instead relies on constant thread presence and extremely aggressive sometimes bullying behavior. The diplomat applies constant, doglike, pressure which breaks down the veneer scum hide behind. They don’t always get killed night one because their actions sometimes get misconstrued as scum intentions. However, the diplomat actually had a better chance of finding scum day one. Unlike the analyst, diplomats don’t need a day or two to start seeing patterns, instead they bully people around until they find someone who doesn’t react appropriately. Now these are both gross generalizations. After all, Incog found a scum day one and analysts like him have done it before. However I’m using it as an example. My preferred role is that of the analyst. I don’t have enough time to dominate a thread 24 hours a day, and neither do I have the personality to go after people like there’s no tomorrow (and when I do I lose track of the bigger picture). In short, I don’t have the features of a diplomat. However, analysts rely a lot on their names. Take for example Sheth versus Incog. Sheth wrote an analysis of opz, was it great? No. Was he right? Yes! Incog wrote an analysis of BC, was it good? Yes. Was he right? No. However who got more attention? We spent a significant portion of day 1 debating Incog’s incorrect analysis. Sheth’s analysis got shot down in an extremely scummy manner and no one batted an eye. This is nothing against Incog, it’s just illustrating a fact that in order to maximize the analyst role you have to have an established name to get people to listen to you over the chaff in the thread. Contrast that to the diplomat. A lot of newer players play the diplomat effectively and without a name like Incog. They don’t find the whole scum team alone, but three or four diplomats in a game of 30 can easily win it for the town. Especially since diplomats aren’t as high level targets as analysts, they have greater survivability. Now I’ll cut to the chase and explain why I brought this up. Most games I play a second tier analyst. Sure I don’t destroy the scum team but I may nail one and I’ll at least establish my innocence. However as a Vet I felt like I needed to be more active to gain the mafia’s attention. Thus on day two I tried to play as the diplomat. I thankfully had some time which allowed me to be fairly active; however I was still constrained since I just don’t like playing the diplomat style. This is why I changed so drastically on day 2. I needed to raise my profile, and since my name isn’t big enough to get hit as an analyst (especially in a game stacked with big names); I tried to go it as a diplomat. The results of course are in the thread. Day three I was in damage control mode and tried to return to my normal style without drawing suspicion and day four I was in PM land with BC. Anyway, I really enjoyed the game a lot. Despite not getting hit, I still had a few good reads and I learned a valuable lesson about tunneling. I may try playing the diplomat all game long someday if I have the time but I think I’ll probably just work to improve the analyst. GG all, thanks for hosting FW and Jcarl! | ||
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