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This is my official campaign post! It is all very simple! No, I am not running for office. My campaign is based around voting for the one and only Bill Murray! Let's face it, there are many people (L) who are going to run on the basis of lynching Bill Murray. Do we want to make such a rash decision this early in the game? Time has shown that such policy lynches are just a distraction from our true purpose of scum hunting. In order to save Bill Murray from such an easy day 1 lynch, I propose we save him by putting him in office. Now before you go on making propositions that I have just smoked a pound of weed, consider the situation our beloved Bill Murray is in. As his first game back, we know for sure he's going to be top notch. This is his chance to prove to the old members that he's changed and proved to the new members that he's a respectable player. Thus we can expect him to bust out his A+ game. He knows that if he nails a few mafia this game he'll have turned from village idiot into village hottie. Who would you rather have in office? Someone like Bill Murray who is probably spending 14 hours a day figuring out who is mafia or someone like kitaman27 or bumatlarge who will just put forth the same normal effort we'd expect from an elected official? Bill Murray is the real deal, and we know he'll be the real deal. Who knows how much effort Cyber_Cheese really wants to put in this game. Definitely not as much as Bill Murray will! A vote for Bill Murray is a vote for the town! Now what if our esteemed actor turns out to be mafia? Don't worry, as a proven scumhunter, I will dedicate enormous amounts of my time to making sure Bill Murray is indeed town. And he has a lot of games under his belt for comparison. Of course I will also be doing my usual scumhunting, so do not fret. But we can be sure that Bill Murray will be posting frequently (hopefully not too much) and will be active in his duties, especially given what I've said above. Is kitaman only going to make 2 posts a day if he gets elected in? Maybe. Will Bill Murray? No of course not. And we all know that the more someone posts the more likely their true colors show. If Bill Murray turns out to be mafia it shouldn't be long before it becomes obvious. If he's not, we got an easily confirmed innocent in office who at the very least will make the entire mafia team facepalm. And a mafia team with their palms on their faces will be unable to type. You can make the right choice! Vote Bill Murray! + Show Spoiler + Yes I'm 100% serious | ||
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On January 13 2012 14:48 kitaman27 wrote: Foolishness, I don't see how it is logical to campaign for another player, considering you know your own alignment. Lets not turn the first day into a discussion on whether or not BM's past incidents warrant risking him becoming the center of attention. The entire game is going to be about BM if he is elected, which is not ideal. You admit there are going to be numerous people that wish to policy lynch him based on his spammy playstyle, how does electing him solve that problem? What a selfish thing to say! I am only concerned about the interests of the town, this has nothing to do with me, and everything to do with... BILL MURRAY BILL MURRAY is proven to be active, and he'll be on his best behavior and bring out his best ability. That's what I want in a mayor. I read these other campaigns and see the dull tripe that is normally associated with campaigns "vote for me! I swear I'm good!" blah de blah. It's impossible to tell what these player's agenda's are. But with BILL MURRAY we know exactly what we are getting when we put him into office. | ||
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On January 13 2012 15:11 Erandorr wrote: Foolishness, first of, what a beautiful campaign, you made more sense than anyone else until now. I am wondering, however, why you think that our focus should be to get the roles away from potentially strong mafia players instead of trying to protect potentially good town players in a massive game like this? The incarcerate ability seems like more of an asset to the mafia than the town (it's almost like a roleblocker). The extra votes will help mafia if it gets down near lylo. With 10 mafia I think it's safe to say we got some blue power on our side (exactly what or how is unknown, but it's there). I think it's better to halt the mafia from getting additional benefits then protecting a potentially good player. As you said a good town player is only "potentially" good. Even the best players have off games for whatever reasons. A mafia team won't "potentially" use those abilities correctly, they will. | ||
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On January 13 2012 15:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote: The sheriff is a jailkeeper, which can be used very well for the town if put into the right hands, either offensively or defensively. Why do you think it's better for scum? I'm checking if the mayor/sheriff can be roleblocked right now, but if they can't then that means that we would have an assured protection in the form of the sheriff, which is extremely powerful for town. Also, I didn't notice the mayor gets a triple vote, disregard what I said about the mayor not being that good besides protection for a good player. How can the town effectively use the power? The only thing I can see it being used for is as a medic, but it's a bit worthless on nearly any blue role. Incarcerating a mafia is only going to reduce KP if the planets are aligned (i.e. there are the right number of mafia alive) or there's the lucky chance you get one of the mafia power roles (which we don't even know exist). The power is more useful late game (if it even gets to that point) but only for protecting a townie. And considering we don't have free PMing it's even more worthless as it'd be much better for coordinating behind the scenes. | ||
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On January 14 2012 00:50 Kurumi wrote: Why would someone create a campaign for someone else without seeing him post ever? If anyone is voting for someone partly with the reason of "he's a good player" then they are doing the same thing. Don't know why you choose to call me out instead of any of the other lackluster votes. At least I have a plan and reasoning. | ||
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On January 14 2012 09:05 Jayjay54 wrote: Hmm. As this thread slowed down a bit, could all the candidates please say what their lynch plan for day one is and why? would be quite nice for the town! As I speak on the behalf of the candidacy of the one and only BILL MURRAY I can tell you right now that he will be lynching Chaosquo. | ||
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Mattchew For Mayor! You heard it from me first! No I am not giving up on my campaign for the one and only BILL MURRAY. Rather it has come to my attention that my other client, the esteemed Mattchew the Mason has decided to run for mayor as well! How do I know my client is a mason? Duh! I have only been talking to him all day long! And he will come in shortly to confirm that! Of course he has chosen to done this because he thinks it is best for him to claim mason. I am not sure how I personally feel about the other mason's claiming but I can tell you this: Mattchew is most certainly a town mason and not a mafia one, and the both of us think he will be perfect in office. You should obviously be taking this with a grain of salt, but if I thought Mattchew was actually a mafia mason I'd be saying so right now in a very "haha sucker!" sort of manor. Since I'm not you can be sure that I have done my analysis and confirmed that he is innocent (and I encourage everyone to do the same based on his thread posts). That said Mattchew has my full support in getting into office. Let's face it, none of us what to get screwed over in the event that BC is mafia. The thought of BC laughing hysterically after the game is over at playing us all for fools is not something that sits right in my stomach (not that I think he's actually mafia, but better safe than sorry right?) Thus let's take a more simpler approach and vote a mason who we know will be giving his all and not screwing us behind the scenes! Mattchew For Mayor! | ||
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Mattchew wanted to publicly claim mason because he thought it was a good idea. He wanted to do this when BC was talking about the mass mason claim (check time stamps if you don't believe me). He said he wanted to run for mayor after claiming, and I told him he should only claim if he plans on running for mayor (as just straight up claiming at this point is stupid in my opinion). He said he would run for mayor and wanted me to endorse him first as a way of showing that he mason'd me. Thus I made my post, and he followed with his almost immediately. I did not out him in the thread. The PM logs all confirm this. Also BC, stop acting stupid. You claimed to get yourself into office for the sake of the town. Mattchew followed in your lead (GUESS WHAT HES CONFIRMED NOW HUR DUR) because he thought your plan was good. For you to go around dismissing him was only hurting your case. I'm still going to vote for you though because I believe that putting a townie in office is more important than anything (I am not voting you because I think you will help lead the town or think you will do a good job scum hunting, I can do all of that myself). I'm also a bit pissed off at the amount of times I'm seeing "WIFOM" in peoples' posts when making an argument. Seriously guys the player list in this game is great, if people are still making one liner posts with "everything you say is WIFOM" then we should just treat this like a newbie game. If I was an acronym vigi I'd be shooting all of you tonight. The amount of lazy arguments is just honestly amazing. With that said, I would like to expand on one of my earlier suspicions: Macpo. At the time the list of people that said I was suspicious of was based off a quick filter look, but now that I have had some time to reread everything, this is someone everyone should take a closer look at. The main reasons I say this are all fairly easy to spot: he references himself as a newbie (more than once I think), he tries to "befriend" everyone, and he fails to take a definite stance on anything happening in the thread. | ||
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On January 15 2012 06:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Man, it took me two hours to read through the thread again, and I was going to yell, but don't worry I wont. Just for the love of everything good and pure, PLEASE STOP SPAMMING. Right now, we have a terrible and confusing town atmosphere, that isn't actually conducive to winning the game or catching scum. So:
Right now, people are finally talking somewhat about who they want the mayor to be, but they're also disregarding that we have two open slots to fill. I have a town read on WBG, and I'd like to see him in one of the slots, so that's where my vote's going for now. It's possible I change it later, though, but people (including myself) really need to start voting. ##Vote: WBG I'm still trying to sift through the BC/Incog/Foolishness chaos, and I'll let you know about my thoughts on that later, depending on how I actually form them. Right now, it seems like GGQ is scum, and I'm also getting scum-vibes from Kingjames. Incog and I are causing chaos by being part of the few people who provided some analysis against other players? o.O | ||
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Please remember this post, and come back to it after I die! Remember that I die night 1 a lot because I fingered a mafia day 1! Macpo zeks chaosquo evantrees Giygas Nisani201 Adam4167 Mr. Wiggles Jayjay54 Jackal58 Slarder - Just pressure him and he'll reveal his true colors. Trust me on this one. GGQ - kinda shady...watch him closely And remember, you heard everything here from me first! I was also first to suggest Mapco as a target! | ||
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On January 17 2012 11:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: EBWOP: I forgot to add Macpo to the FoS list. Pretty interesting how you just mentioned Macpo now and decided to (almost) ignore him completely from the start of the game. In fact I find it very very very interesting that you make a lot of posts like these... On January 17 2012 07:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Nope hiro, we're lynching GGQ today. You don't have a very strong case against sandroba and neither do any of the other jubjubs calling for his death right now. We lynch GGQ today, tomorrow we lynch any of the people who have popped out of the woodwork to defend him. Also for those viewers who are keeping track back home, I'm working my way through the filters of the players I talked about in my post last night, I should have something on who is who in a few hours. ...while choosing to ignore a lynch candidate who is under attack from arguably the 2 best scumhunters in this game. Hey Incog, I found another mafia! | ||
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On January 17 2012 11:08 sandroba wrote: Also L I recognize that type of play from last game. Who the fuck you think is scum? Nice blabbering and walls of nothing. I'd be up for a L lynch aswel. damn you beat me to it | ||
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On January 17 2012 11:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Hey look who decided to show up! Does it matter when I call people out? The entire list I made from a few posts ago was composed of people I had ignored from the start of the game. Is there a set time when I'm allowed to call people out? And if by "choosing to ignore a lynch candidate who is under attack from arguably the 2 best scumhunters in this game" you mean sandroba than I don't have much faith in "the 2 best scumhunters." I'm referring to Macpo...you know the guy who myself and Incog called out on day 1 and then came in with a hilariously bad defense post, and has since gone afk? | ||
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On January 17 2012 11:30 Protactinium wrote: Actually, I beat you all. No worries though. It seems pretty clear who is on the right track and who is not at this point. Yes I know, but I wasn't entirely sure about L just based on your analysis and his posts up to that point. When he made that post that sandroba is referring to is when it clicked in my head. | ||
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I am making this post as a way of compiling the thoughts of the few people in this game who are making sense and posting good analysis. A lot of it will be my own thoughts, but it's heavily based on a few people (should be obvious) who are the most transparent and the most obvious townies. 9 Mafia remaining. Here's the preliminary suspects: Macpo, GGQ, L. These are the people I feel we have the best case for and most of the transparent people in the thread seem to agree about these 3. Personally I think GGQ is town and we should avoid lynching him for now. Protact already gave viable reasons why Macpo is better than GGQ today, and I feel there is little to argue there. sandroba pointed out how L is acting like in Ver's game, and I couldn't agree more. We also have Incog's analysis against L. Secondary suspects: Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees. These 3 people have garnered attention from a few people but not from everyone, so they are listed as secondary candidates. I am of the belief that all 3 of these people are mafia. evantrees is already mentioned by Incog. I think Cyber_Cheese highlighted a good summary of chaosquo here. Most of it is similar arguments to Macpo. Bill Murray as red? I think so. Others have cast suspicion but there's not been a full analysis anywhere. A few people have commented that the election "feels" weird in some way, and I definitely sympathize. The votes for Bill Murray come across as the most suspicious: lots of random votes there. Personally I was surprised he even got into office (remember I was out all day so I saw the results without reading the previous 20 pages). I do realize I may have initially pushed him into candidacy, but I shall take responsibility for that and see to it that he's lynched in the near future. But to be simple: Bill Murray posted a lot, and got into office. Since then he's been pretty passive at the helm (so has BC I realize). That's good enough reason to warrant a ton of suspicion, as he should be actively scumhunting and posting without fear at this point. Remaining mafia candidates: Jackal, Opz, kingjames, zeks. Incog has an analysis against Jackal as we know. I am not on board with him being mafia yet. Traditionally when he is mafia he posts paragraphs, and not one-liners. However he warrants suspicion for having an apathetic attitude. Opz is someone who I believe Sheth was the first to cast doubt on, and I must say Sheth is definitely onto something. I know of the past Opz as a town player who is aggressive, not afraid to call people out on their bullshit. That's something we aren't seeing much of this game. He's posted a few of his own thoughts, but there is a clear lack of effort. Bored townie who is facepalming at having to read 100 pages? Possibly. Mafia hiding in the shadows? Fits better. kingjames is called out on by Incog, and there's further analysis by BC. His last sentence is the perfect sum to kingjames: "The key thing to note is that in contrast to his town play where he is outgoing and analytical, his posts in this game are very subdued, seem artificial and feel overly planned." kingjames has yet to do anything to contradict this. zeks I felt strongly about yesterday, he made a bad post which is nothing like his normal outspoken attitude (though it's been a while since he's played I think). He has since asked for a replacement and hasn't posted, but should still be looked at in the future. Meapak_Ziphh is someone I would like to throw out there as a candidate (which shouldn't be a surprise from the few of my recent posts). What has Meapak done this game? Tried to get GGQ lynched, and unfortunately that's about all he's tried to do. There is a very aggressive push from him to kill this guy, which I find a little suspicious and slightly out of character. Mafia: Macpo, GGQ, L, Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees, Opz, Kingjames, Meapak_Ziphh. Substitute a few off candidates and I think we've found our 9: Jackal, BrownBear, zeks, Munk-E, other random inactive player goes here. DONT LOSE THIS POST ITS SO IMPORTANT! Writing all that I think the usefulness of this post is immediately made clear. The most prominent townies and the ones doing the analysis are all right on most of their reads. It's just each person has found 2-3 mafia on their own, and most of the time they are all different. Pooling this information together I realize it's hard to call anyone and their analysis wrong, as when you analyze the big picture everything fits together. Anyone in their right mind would look at this game and think "wow this atmosphere is perfect for the mafia". Ver once told me that lots of times it's easier to find the mafia when the town atmosphere sucks because they will not be the ones causing chaos and disruption. Instead they will be sitting on the sidelines enjoying the show while the townies flail around. Look at all the names I've listed above. Everyone (yes everyone on that list) is guilty of apathy and does not have the interests of the town in mind. They are not thinking long term, or analyzing the big picture. They aren't playing the game, they are watching. Macpo Many others have said so, and though I may be biased, I still think it's best we lynch him today. I believe his case is still by far the strongest we have at the moment, especially since he has responded to his threats (with even more reason to kill him). At the time of writing GGQ has yet to say anything. We kill him (Macpo) today and spend the night figuring out who has the next best case. In the meantime, I'm going to be looking for connections between the above players to see if anyone can be ruled out or automatically included. IF YOU HAVE FINISHED READING AND YOU ARE A COMPETENT TOWN PLAYER PLEASE READ AGAIN Also, after sifting through this information, I feel we have a strong enough lead to start killing like there's no tomorrow. ##Vote: double lynch | ||
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On January 17 2012 14:15 Scamp wrote: If you really think Jackal is the best play, I don't mind the large case. I'm just opposed to gigantic distractions. Macpo is currently the clear play. I wish he would say something. He already said something once, I'm not expecting him to come back and say anything more, whether we lynch him or not. | ||
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On January 17 2012 14:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Foolishness I'm kinda dissapointed. Your case against me is based around meta. Yeah it's true, I've never tunneled anyone hardcore like I'm doing with GGQ right now, does that necessaily make me scum? You don't think GGQ is scum, however incog/protact agrees with me. So what am I doing then? By your logic I'm a hyperaggressive scum trying to mislynch a townie, thats nothing like my scum meta (feeling free to use this since you brought it up as part of your case). If you use incog's logic, I'm scum bussing a teammate. But what's my next move? My red list largely agrees with both yours, if I suddenly back off any of them it'll be super obvious. If I'm scum then I'm locked into bussing my own team for the next several days (given that you, me, and incog all think macpo and opz are scum). I will continue to campaign to get GGQ lynched, he is the best option for today. However, I'm not an idiot, if it comes down to macpo and protact or macpo and sandroba then of course I'll vote macpo. Everyone should vote GGQ though. 99% of any argument I have ever made against someone is based off of meta. The hyper-aggressiveness is not helping the town, and gives you something to do all game, instead of voicing opinions on anyone else. I don't care if your scum bussing a teammate; those arguments are irrelevant to me. If your actions indicate you might be mafia, I'm going to say so. It's not like I have everyone perfect on my list there (I listed more than 9 people anyways). On January 17 2012 14:41 ~OpZ~ wrote: Foolishness -_- While I respect your post greatly, and agree with more than a few of your reads (BM primarily, as you are right, he is at the helm and should be doing far more to help with direction), but your portion regarding me I feel is incorrect. I usually don't start posting much until I have firm reads, and more information where I can actually back things up. Also, almost every game I'm in with a large number of players I don't even start posting proper til day 3/4. I've already built cases I feel warrant attention, and while you point out sheth pointing out me, this was simply because I called him out for instariding Incog/Mystlord, with the most amazing defense of "Other people were doing it and your only calling me out for it?" But I gives a shit as of right now. fine, read below. On January 17 2012 14:51 L wrote: RE: Foolishness Your post called 1/3rd to 1/2 of the players in the game mafia, depending on how you define 'random inactives'. Slinging shit at nearly everyone in the game isn't what I recall your town play to be like, and its generally EV- as far as positive town play goes. Right now 1/4 of the players are mafia. I listed 11 of which I'm (as well as every other competent townie are) sure are mafia. I'm obviously not perfect, and there are always random inactives that turn out to be mafia. You three are all missing one of the biggest parts of my posts though. That post was not about why I think you three individually are mafia. If I wanted to do that, I'd write up a nice juicy analysis, not just spew out a few sentences about you. That post is about town direction, cause so far this game there has been none. Multiple competent people have all done analysis, and by combining it all and realizing the common elements among all the suspects I provided us with a direction in which to go with. Notice how these competent players have all agreed with me so far and I didn't even throw out names in my post. Incognito even directly said that he doesn't agree with some of my reads. That's cool and all, but he's not stressing it nor writing paragraphs about it. Wanna know why? Cause that's not the point of my post. We have a solid lynch target today, and we have plenty of plenty of leads starting tomorrow. Right now we need to organize town direction. If you don't like one of my suspects that wait until it's actually relevant to argue with me/others about it, cause right now you are just cluttering up the thread even more. At the time I'm writing this, the 3 of you have not voted for Macpo. And by not voting for him you are hurting the town. I'd actually be fine killing GGQ based on what is said about him, but all the competent players this game think Macpo is the better lynch today. Thus we kill Macpo. | ||
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On January 17 2012 15:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Wow BC, what was that about splitting the vote? You say yourself you would support a lynch of macpo however you think Jackal is a higher priority lynch. Great I feel the same way about GGQ. I voted macpo so we could have some consolidation AT YOUR REQUEST and then you go vote Jackal. WTF man, how about some consistency. We don't have enough evidence against Jackal at this point. I'm still defending my position that he's town. We have plenty of better targets anyways. | ||
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On January 17 2012 15:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: @Foolishness, you really didn't respond to my points, you just said "I use meta" and then fail to explain how my actions indicate I'm mafia. You failed to address either of the scenarios I put forth. Oh and your line about being hyper aggressive gives me something to do all game, you fail to factor in that I have been and will be hyper aggressive towards player you think are scum. You may not think that hyper aggression is good for the town (normally I would agree however at the moment I feel it's warranted, hence my behavior) however you can't argue that I'm pushing a scum agenda because my reads largely line up with yours. I haven't seen any of your other reads, all you talk about is GGQ. If you have a post where you talk about your other reads please refer me to it cause I don't see one. Anyways, I'm really the only one who has been suspicious of you, surely we both agree that for the sake of the town we can save this debate for a later point in time. On January 17 2012 15:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I don't know if I made it clear, this was directed at BC's vote he just cast. Since I'm on my itouch I couldn't copy it over to post. If you want my personal read on Jackal I'd have to reread his filter, he hasn't jumped out at me the way others have. Yeah I know, it was more of a response to BC and me affirming with what you said. | ||
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On January 18 2012 12:05 Slardar wrote: To bring up the discussion off the bat for the DOUBLE LYNCH. I am NOT in favor of lynching two high profile players. I.E. BM + BC or BM + Protactinium. If they are surely town, Mafia will might make a move on them tonight, but if we're all so sure to Lynch them, that gives them no reason to make a move. I'd be in favor of lynching only 1 or none based off what happens tonight. If we're going to lynch a high profile player it should be Bill Murray. Though right now I think we got better fish to fry than him. | ||
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Right now I think it's important to figure out who the second lynch candidate will be. I've been sifting through the candidates (all of which I listed here) and I think the best choice is kingjames01. Yes, I do think Bill Murray is suspicious. But I also feel it's too early to be lynching into the elected officials. Many towns have been led astray because they spend the first few days agonizing over and killing the elected officials. Once they realize that they were silly to do so (even if they killed a mafia along the way) the mafia have secured a big lead in the game, and the town struggles to find direction. Let's put it this way. Say that one of BC/BM is mafia. If we let them be and keep lynching into our other red candidates (which I remind you from my post we have a lot of) eventually whichever one of them is mafia will have to put their foot down and interfere. They cannot just stand by and watch us kill their entire mafia family. We already have a good list of people we think are mafia. If we keep lynching mafia, eventually BC/BM will reveal to us whose side they are on. Back to kingjames01. Let me remind you of BC's analysis of him here. I think BC says it best when he says, "Given his extreme distrust of me here and his refusal to vote for me (didnt vote for anyone at all) you would think given the entire days worth of posting he would opt to push specifically at me when he returned, or analyzed me extensively." If you quickly go through kingjames01's filter, you will notice that ~75% of his posts summarize to "BC is mafia!". There is nothing wrong with that, and a few of his posts make some good points about the election. What is wrong is that there is no follow-up. Day 2 was a rather lackluster day for kingjames01. He made a post here and there about BC being mafia, makes a few one-liners, posts his suspicious list, then disappears. As far as we know, he still thinks BC is mafia (nothing wrong with that). Yet he has never voted for him, never pushed to convince others of his thoughts. This is definitely a mafia favored objective. He wants to insinuate doubt in the town about the elected officials, get our minds off of scumhunting and worry about the elections. Furthermore, he never mentions Macpo or GGQ except in passing. Halfway through day 2 he makes a mafia list, and votes for L. Now believe me, as someone who thinks L is mafia I'm all aboard that idea, but he never posts a thorough analysis, and again never pushes to actually get him lynched. Check out his most recent post after night started: On January 18 2012 12:54 kingjames01 wrote: I'm just dropping in to check on the game. I had such a long day and I'm too tired to sit here and read through the posts I missed. I'm actually surprised that the day ended so early. I'll be up in the morning and I'll catch up then. Good job on the Macpo lynch guys! Where is his contribution to the town? He thanks us for a job well done but what has he done to help us find mafia? The beginning of day 2 was a clusterfuck for the town and it seems like he was content with that. He never voiced his own opinion besides giving us his mafia list. While that is a good start, there was never a thorough analysis on anyone, and his vote on L seemed largely out of place when the town discussion was focused on GGQ and Macpo. In summary, kingjames01 put forth an effort to show that BC is mafia, but never had any follow-up. He did not push for his lynch, and sat back while the town flailed around day 2. It should be immediately clear that kingjames01 does not care about the town. kingjames01 should be our second lynch tomorrow. | ||
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##Vote: Bill Murray ##Vote: kingjames01 | ||
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On January 19 2012 14:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: So this was a lie, and since no one ever CC'd and we've had no claim today I'd bet mafia has no roleblocker and L posted this in order to spread doubt. Also, I just reviewed L's filter and I'm having problems with lynching BM due to it. L seemed intent on killing BM, like most of the times he calls people out it's BM. Given the suspicion Bill has been under I don't think it would be hard at all for L to have accidentally gotten a lynch rolling on BM. This seems like a really weird chance for scum to take, you've got an elected position who is immune to DT checks, why would you bus them out of everyone on the team. There's a logical disconnect here and I think we should back off BM for a second and everyone should individually go over this link here. Secondly, how the hell is GGQ not up to lynch? I'm sick and tired of an obvious scum skating here. Was just about to say, if someone got roleblocked please speak up now so we know if they have one or not. Normally I would agree with you except it's L, and L will always gun for Bill Murray no matter what. Even so, I think we should step back and think about the Bill Murray lynch before rushing into it. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 15 2012 12:20 flamewheel wrote: Day 1 Election Vote Tally Votes for Bill Murray (11) Second Macpo Toadesstern rgTheSchworz Jackal58 GiygaS Munk-E EchelonTee Nisani201 Mr. Wiggles Ciryandor kitaman27 Votes for kitaman27 (1) evantrees Votes for BloodyC0bbler (11) First Meapak_Ziphh risk.nuke GGQ zeks Lanaia glurio Cyber_Cheese Foolishness supersoft wherebugsgo VisceraEyes sandroba (didn't actually vote in voting thread) Votes for Protactinium (10) Palmar Adam4167 Kurumi Cwave Liquid`Sheth Jayjay54 Jitsu p4NDemik bumatlarge blahz0r Votes for supersoft (1) Bill Murray Votes for L (2) ~OpZ~ Scamp Votes for wherebugsgo (2) Kenpachi Slardar Votes for VisceraEyes (1) L Votes for Meapak_Ziphh (1) BloodyC0bbler BloodyC0bbler is elected as Mayor and Bill Murray is his new Sheriff. There are a lot of non-voters. Chaosquo is excused for this cycle, but to my count that still leaves... kingjames01 BrownBear igabod (PM'd me saying he wants to be replaced; no reason why) Erandorr (PMed me saying he wants to be replaced; not an acceptable reason why) Protactinium rtgICEMAN Maxella Reminder to myself to update this in the future. | ||
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On January 20 2012 13:55 blahz0r wrote: Why did we vote for double lynch if we cannot find a suitable 2nd person to lynch for that day =x Don't worry bro, we got the situation under control | ||
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On January 21 2012 04:46 Protactinium wrote: Oh one more thing. BrownBear would also be a good lynch. BC/Foolishness please just pick someone to lynch and focus on that. Don't waste time arguing with people who won't listen. I hate you Also, supersoft's post here is a really good example of a townie honestly trying to help communication in the thread. Honest person not afraid to contribute a plan? Town. | ||
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On January 21 2012 04:50 p4NDemik wrote: God why do I feel there is a gigantic disconnect in logic between me and the supposedly brilliant players that have gotten us to this point in the game. The fact they keep going to their inner circle of veterans to bolster themselves and not ever speaking to my actual points is killing me. If this means what I think it means it could be incredible but I need town to go with my logic please guys! I feel like I'm putting good logic out and being met with strict rhetoric at every end. Look at the one post I quoted and explain to me why a mafia would make that post; what motivation he would have for doing such a thing. There's disconnect between us as well. I don't think sandroba is a good lynch but BC and Protact like it so I'm going with it. I think Blahz0r is obvious mafia but I'm the only person in the game. We don't agree on everything either but our direction is the same, and that's what is important for a large game like this. | ||
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On January 21 2012 04:55 p4NDemik wrote: Foolishness this is like the 3rd time that one of you guys have gone to that post but it is almost a week old at this point and rapidly losing it's value. I've said it before it looks to me like an intial facade to establish a mafia's town nature early on to cover up for his clearly lazy behavior that he has made recently. This is what kills me. You and BC have gone back to that post and you don't address his current behavior at all. He is rolling over and dying here, if only someone would put the noose in my hand with votes we could lynch him and he still would remain apathetic to the end, he still wouldn't care about yesterday's lynch, and he still wouldn't care enough to defend himself. Day 1 is always more revealing than any other day. Outside of that I don't really know what to say other than we have much better targets to be gunning for. If he's still doing this sort of thing in the next day or two, then yeah I'll definitely be rethinking everything you've said. But to say that supersoft is a better lynch over players like kingjames, evantrees, Opz, Blazh0r, meapak is not something that BC, myself, or Protact are going to agree with for a long while. It goes back to the whole "town direction" thing as well. | ||
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On January 21 2012 05:12 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I don't remember reading any Chaosquo posts in quite a while now.... Yes, I wanted to kill him the other day, but he's on the track to get modkilled now. | ||
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On January 21 2012 05:15 p4NDemik wrote: I'm going to have to agree to disagree with your view of the game in that respect Proact, Foolish, and BC. I stand firm that my logic is solid and that it can carry weight, and most importantly that a supersoft lynch looks to get a red as well as a sure tell on our mayor which is valuable. Join me town. ##vote Bill Murray and ##vote supersoft I can respect that but at least vote for kingjames instead of Bill Murray lol | ||
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On January 21 2012 05:32 Jackal58 wrote: How are you guys all talking to each other? And what direction are you heading in? the thread? It's about lynching the people with the common themes. Apathetic behavior while exhibiting interest in the town, purposely dodging lynch candidates (who turn up to be mafia), etc. The three of us have come to the same conclusion about most players, and the fact that we've nailed 3 mafia (and mostly independently too) should show that we are on the right track (clearly the votes don't indicate that though). The three of us all realize this, hence it's easy for us to tell what each other is thinking just by reading posts. | ||
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On January 21 2012 05:36 p4NDemik wrote: This is so messed up you three have invested all day into BM and Kingjames. I've been like 95-99% sure on these lynches for hours upon hours and now you guys are randomly switching your vote to sandroba. Whatever trust and goodwill you have been building up, it is quickly evaporating. You need to explain this. Well I'm sorry that we don't want Incog to die when he has caught 3 mafia already. Do ya blame me? | ||
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On January 21 2012 05:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm gonna take this post as a good opportunity to talk about sandroba as well. So I defended him a lot yesterday. I felt like he was an extremely poor lynch choice especially with the other options at hand (GGQ ). People like Toad who were pushing for sand's death (yes toad I know you're not the only one) did not have a very strong case (I felt) and it seemed to me like scum trying to run a mislynch with protact/sandroba rather than the obviscum GGQ. Later in the day, there was a shift to macpo and the three previous candidates were largely forgotten. Now since macpo flipped red I can't fault this shift as scum. Fast forward to today. The big three (protact/foolishness/BC) now think that sandroba is scum. Similarly they've exonerated GGQ. Quite frankly I'm baffled. There was one brief dismissive post made by foolishness(?) about how GGQ was cleared and that was never revisited. Meanwhile, the case made on sandroba is extremely unclear, at some point he just switches to being scum in their eyes. When I do see them make a case, like Toad said, it really just rehashes the stuff that was said yesterday. It's not like something new happened that made them think sandroba was scum, they just suddenly changed their mind. So here's where I stand. I independantly was becoming suspicious of sandroba because of how he's lurked when the pressure was off of him. However the shift towards him by the three, seemingly without any new information, gave me pause. So I'd like to take this oppertunity to clear some things up BC/Foolishness/Incog: Why is Sandroba scum? Why is GGQ not? Where along the line did these things change? You guys have collectively delivered three scum and that's great, but you can't fault me for being a little weary when your positions change seemingly out of the blue. I'm gonna echo P4ndemik a little here and I'm going to ask you to fully explain why you're thinking what you're thinking. It's more about choosing who's the best to lynch given the circumstances, and less about who has the highest/lowest chance to be mafia, if that makes any sense. | ||
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On January 21 2012 06:33 Jackal58 wrote: I still want to lynch BM. If he's scum as Protact and company insist then they have no fear of being blown up. They can't have it both ways. It is BM though, a lot of his actions can be explained with, "dude it's BM". Besides, at the rate Incog is going at if the mafia don't kill him at night then he's just going to continue steam rolling them, and I'm perfectly fine with that lol. If Incog dies at night then Bill Murray is an easy lynch. I agree that he (BM) is likely mafia, but we're not in a situation where we need to be taking chances. We got plenty of lynch targets, we can afford to play it cool for now. | ||
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On January 21 2012 06:46 p4NDemik wrote: He's the friggin sheriff and you practically had him dead to rights for all intensive purposes going into these last few hours of today. Why are you finding excuses to give him another day alive if you still think he is mafia and he can wreak havoc in night phase with jailing and the plethora of other night actions they have available. Cause the best scumhunter in this game who has already found 3 mafia might die. Why would you want to take that chance? How many mafia have you found? | ||
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On January 21 2012 06:46 p4NDemik wrote: He's the friggin sheriff and you practically had him dead to rights for all intensive purposes going into these last few hours of today. Why are you finding excuses to give him another day alive if you still think he is mafia and he can wreak havoc in night phase with jailing and the plethora of other night actions they have available. I certainly ain't trusting you to lead the town to victory. | ||
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On January 21 2012 06:50 vaderseven wrote: Come on foolishness. Isnt the fact that he claims a bomb on a good scum hunter more reason to lynch him than not. You are acting like protact is a for sure goonee when BM is lynched and there is no resonable reason to think that. Why would you take the chance? If the town was in a desperate situation I'd totally agree, but right now we have the game under control. On January 21 2012 06:50 p4NDemik wrote: None so far proven but I feel I have one under the spotlight and I'm with you on BM. Why are you and BC so self-unassured and relying on Proact? You guys are supposed to be super good veteran townies. Have more faith in yourself and have more faith in some of your fellow town. And most of all have faith in your read we all still think it is good. I have plenty of faith in myself. I also have more faith in the person who has caught 30% of the mafia team so far. | ||
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On January 21 2012 07:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ok ok ok everyone hold your horses. We'd all like to hear a coherent case out of the triumvirate. However let's not let things get blown out of porportion. Yes, we'd all like them just to spell it out, yes we are frustrated at their collective inability to explain wtf is going on. However now is not the time for veiled attacks on their credibility. This is the kinda thing I called out opz (still scum btw) for. We can be frustrated but it's not necessary to start spreading doubt yet. If they can't get their shit together by the lynch and the lynch falls apart and one or two townies die then we can start calling for some heat. Until then let's give them an oppertunity to respond to our requests. I think we (and by we I once again mean the recently active people) have made it clear what we need to hear. Let's not go overboard and start heaving accusations till we've heard their responses. I think we're all blowing this out of proportion and thinking too hard about this. Why are we saying let's not kill BM? Well what if he is a hatter and telling the truth? We not only killed a townie but lost our best scumhunter as well. Do I think it's likely BM is telling the truth? No, but it's a possibility. Is town in a desperate situation where we need to take chances? No If BM is mafia, then mafia will not kill Incog cause they want to keep BM from getting lynched. That's okay cause Incog can stay around to find the rest of the mafia team. If the mafia do decide to kill Incog, then we can go straight ahead and kill BM, and I will not ask questions lol This isn't supposed to be complicated. We don't need to be taking chances at this point so why bother? Incog and BC have both been suspicious of sandroba, and sandroba has yet to contribute all game so we have decided to go with that. Do I think there are better lynches than sandroba? Yes. But that's okay because sandroba fits the theme. I'm not going to sit and argue for better targets, it's important that we are all on the same page. Incog and BC know who I think is mafia, and that will be the starting point for tomorrow's lynch. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 15 2012 12:20 flamewheel wrote: Day 1 Election Vote Tally Votes for Bill Murray (11) Second Macpo Toadesstern rgTheSchworz Jackal58 GiygaS Munk-E EchelonTee Nisani201 Mr. Wiggles Ciryandor kitaman27 Votes for kitaman27 (1) evantrees Votes for BloodyC0bbler (11) First Meapak_Ziphh risk.nuke GGQ zeks Lanaia glurio Cyber_Cheese Foolishness supersoft wherebugsgo VisceraEyes sandroba (didn't actually vote in voting thread) Votes for Protactinium (10) Palmar Adam4167 Kurumi Cwave Liquid`Sheth Jayjay54 Jitsu p4NDemik bumatlarge blahz0r Votes for supersoft (1) Bill Murray Votes for L (2) ~OpZ~ Scamp Votes for wherebugsgo (2) Kenpachi Slardar Votes for VisceraEyes (1) L Votes for Meapak_Ziphh (1) BloodyC0bbler BloodyC0bbler is elected as Mayor and Bill Murray is his new Sheriff. There are a lot of non-voters. Chaosquo is excused for this cycle, but to my count that still leaves... kingjames01 BrownBear igabod (PM'd me saying he wants to be replaced; no reason why) Erandorr (PMed me saying he wants to be replaced; not an acceptable reason why) Protactinium rtgICEMAN Maxella Reminder to myself to update this in the future. Someone update it if I die tonight. | ||
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Meapak, Munk-E, Bill Murray, evantrees, BrownBear, Kenpachi. Substitute in glurio, Opz, EchelonTee, vaderseven, Slardar for the ones that flip town. | ||
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##Vote: Bill Murray ##Vote: Double lynch | ||
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On January 24 2012 08:34 VisceraEyes wrote: I think Foolish only playing the game exclusively outside the thread is scummy as hell - but that could be just me. I've been masoned twice, and anything that has been said between me and those two people (Mattchew and BC) has been said in the thread. So I'm very confused on what "outside the thread" means considering I've only been in the thread @.@ | ||
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On January 24 2012 12:07 wherebugsgo wrote: also: Foolishness What | ||
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On January 24 2012 12:09 wherebugsgo wrote: what was all that BM bullshit on day 1? Just trolling us? If you look through my posts you'll see that I wanted to kill BM from very early in the game (maybe even as early as end of day 1 I may have said that). | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As bad as my mason idea was, im pretty sure it gave a near insta read of town to phil which imo was insanely important day 1. Force discussions. My analysis may have been spotty but I managed to force people to post in alot of ways or force lynches which got people posting. That is all townlike. All those who accused me after day 2 lynch -_- I'm phil btw in case somebody is confused by BC's post lol | ||
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On January 24 2012 15:03 ~OpZ~ wrote: Phil? Also...You made it shitty for us because I was scared to mason someone that I deemed a low level player. "oh hai guys, I talked to OpZ yesterday, here's da logz!" Me! That's why I made my post above! Do you not read the thread? + Show Spoiler [~OpZ~] + 29) You are ~OpZ~ and you have the desire to post. What do you do? a) Respond to every post one by one and get banned by Plexa for spamming a few dozen posts in a row. Ignore his five warnings because you still had to respond to the next 5 pages of posts before seeing the warnings. | ||
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On January 24 2012 16:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote: To sum up this game *turn on pokemon battle music* Incog is sent out. Incog uses Analysis Its super effective Mafia uses sacrifical lamb It isn't very effective Incog swaps out, BC sent in BC is given Incogs analysis BC uses push agenda Its super effective Mafia use fake claim it misses A wild foolishness appears Analysis was approved. Foolishness uses chain vote All previous players vote with foolishness Its super effective gold | ||
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