TL Mafia L

On January 13 2012 14:48 kitaman27 wrote:
Foolishness, I don't see how it is logical to campaign for another player, considering you know your own alignment. Lets not turn the first day into a discussion on whether or not BM's past incidents warrant risking him becoming the center of attention. The entire game is going to be about BM if he is elected, which is not ideal. You admit there are going to be numerous people that wish to policy lynch him based on his spammy playstyle, how does electing him solve that problem?

On January 13 2012 15:11 Erandorr wrote:
Foolishness, first of, what a beautiful campaign, you made more sense than anyone else until now. I am wondering, however, why you think that our focus should be to get the roles away from potentially strong mafia players instead of trying to protect potentially good town players in a massive game like this?

On January 13 2012 15:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

The sheriff is a jailkeeper, which can be used very well for the town if put into the right hands, either offensively or defensively. Why do you think it's better for scum? I'm checking if the mayor/sheriff can be roleblocked right now, but if they can't then that means that we would have an assured protection in the form of the sheriff, which is extremely powerful for town.

Also, I didn't notice the mayor gets a triple vote, disregard what I said about the mayor not being that good besides protection for a good player.

On January 14 2012 00:50 Kurumi wrote:
Why would someone create a campaign for someone else without seeing him post ever?

On January 14 2012 09:05 Jayjay54 wrote:
Hmm. As this thread slowed down a bit, could all the candidates please say what their lynch plan for day one is and why? would be quite nice for the town!

On January 15 2012 06:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Man, it took me two hours to read through the thread again, and I was going to yell, but don't worry I wont. Just for the love of everything good and pure, PLEASE STOP SPAMMING. Right now, we have a terrible and confusing town atmosphere, that isn't actually conducive to winning the game or catching scum. So:

• Stop spamming
  
• Stop having stupid argumentative back and forths if you're just going to repeat yourselves.
  
• Stop bringing up the same things that have already been talked about, unless you actually have a good reason to do so, and aren't just repeating what's already been said.
  
• Consolidate your posts.

Right now, people are finally talking somewhat about who they want the mayor to be, but they're also disregarding that we have two open slots to fill. I have a town read on WBG, and I'd like to see him in one of the slots, so that's where my vote's going for now. It's possible I change it later, though, but people (including myself) really need to start voting.

##Vote: WBG

I'm still trying to sift through the BC/Incog/Foolishness chaos, and I'll let you know about my thoughts on that later, depending on how I actually form them.

Right now, it seems like GGQ is scum, and I'm also getting scum-vibes from Kingjames.

On January 17 2012 11:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
EBWOP: I forgot to add Macpo to the FoS list.

On January 17 2012 07:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Nope hiro, we're lynching GGQ today. You don't have a very strong case against sandroba and neither do any of the other jubjubs calling for his death right now. We lynch GGQ today, tomorrow we lynch any of the people who have popped out of the woodwork to defend him.

Also for those viewers who are keeping track back home, I'm working my way through the filters of the players I talked about in my post last night, I should have something on who is who in a few hours.

On January 17 2012 11:08 sandroba wrote:
Also L I recognize that type of play from last game. Who the fuck you think is scum? Nice blabbering and walls of nothing. I'd be up for a L lynch aswel.

On January 17 2012 11:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Hey look who decided to show up!

Does it matter when I call people out? The entire list I made from a few posts ago was composed of people I had ignored from the start of the game. Is there a set time when I'm allowed to call people out?

And if by "choosing to ignore a lynch candidate who is under attack from arguably the 2 best scumhunters in this game" you mean sandroba than I don't have much faith in "the 2 best scumhunters."

On January 17 2012 11:30 Protactinium wrote:

Actually, I beat you all. No worries though. It seems pretty clear who is on the right track and who is not at this point.

On January 17 2012 14:15 Scamp wrote:
If you really think Jackal is the best play, I don't mind the large case. I'm just opposed to gigantic distractions.

Macpo is currently the clear play. I wish he would say something.

On January 17 2012 14:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Foolishness I'm kinda dissapointed. Your case against me is based around meta. Yeah it's true, I've never tunneled anyone hardcore like I'm doing with GGQ right now, does that necessaily make me scum? You don't think GGQ is scum, however incog/protact agrees with me. So what am I doing then? By your logic I'm a hyperaggressive scum trying to mislynch a townie, thats nothing like my scum meta (feeling free to use this since you brought it up as part of your case).

If you use incog's logic, I'm scum bussing a teammate. But what's my next move? My red list largely agrees with both yours, if I suddenly back off any of them it'll be super obvious. If I'm scum then I'm locked into bussing my own team for the next several days (given that you, me, and incog all think macpo and opz are scum).

I will continue to campaign to get GGQ lynched, he is the best option for today. However, I'm not an idiot, if it comes down to macpo and protact or macpo and sandroba then of course I'll vote macpo.

Everyone should vote GGQ though.

On January 17 2012 14:41 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Foolishness -_-

While I respect your post greatly, and agree with more than a few of your reads (BM primarily, as you are right, he is at the helm and should be doing far more to help with direction), but your portion regarding me I feel is incorrect. I usually don't start posting much until I have firm reads, and more information where I can actually back things up. Also, almost every game I'm in with a large number of players I don't even start posting proper til day 3/4. I've already built cases I feel warrant attention, and while you point out sheth pointing out me, this was simply because I called him out for instariding Incog/Mystlord, with the most amazing defense of "Other people were doing it and your only calling me out for it?"

But I gives a shit as of right now.

On January 17 2012 14:51 L wrote:
RE: Foolishness
Your post called 1/3rd to 1/2 of the players in the game mafia, depending on how you define 'random inactives'. Slinging shit at nearly everyone in the game isn't what I recall your town play to be like, and its generally EV- as far as positive town play goes.

On January 17 2012 15:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Wow BC, what was that about splitting the vote? You say yourself you would support a lynch of macpo however you think Jackal is a higher priority lynch. Great I feel the same way about GGQ. I voted macpo so we could have some consolidation AT YOUR REQUEST and then you go vote Jackal. WTF man, how about some consistency.

On January 17 2012 15:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
@Foolishness, you really didn't respond to my points, you just said "I use meta" and then fail to explain how my actions indicate I'm mafia. You failed to address either of the scenarios I put forth. Oh and your line about being hyper aggressive gives me something to do all game, you fail to factor in that I have been and will be hyper aggressive towards player you think are scum. You may not think that hyper aggression is good for the town (normally I would agree however at the moment I feel it's warranted, hence my behavior) however you can't argue that I'm pushing a scum agenda because my reads largely line up with yours.

On January 17 2012 15:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

I don't know if I made it clear, this was directed at BC's vote he just cast. Since I'm on my itouch I couldn't copy it over to post. If you want my personal read on Jackal I'd have to reread his filter, he hasn't jumped out at me the way others have.

On January 18 2012 12:05 Slardar wrote:
To bring up the discussion off the bat for the DOUBLE LYNCH.

I am NOT in favor of lynching two high profile players. I.E. BM + BC or BM + Protactinium. If they are surely town, Mafia will might make a move on them tonight, but if we're all so sure to Lynch them, that gives them no reason to make a move. I'd be in favor of lynching only 1 or none based off what happens tonight.

On January 18 2012 12:54 kingjames01 wrote:
I'm just dropping in to check on the game.

I had such a long day and I'm too tired to sit here and read through the posts I missed. I'm actually surprised that the day ended so early. I'll be up in the morning and I'll catch up then. Good job on the Macpo lynch guys!

On January 19 2012 14:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:


So this was a lie, and since no one ever CC'd and we've had no claim today I'd bet mafia has no roleblocker and L posted this in order to spread doubt.

Also, I just reviewed L's filter and I'm having problems with lynching BM due to it. L seemed intent on killing BM, like most of the times he calls people out it's BM. Given the suspicion Bill has been under I don't think it would be hard at all for L to have accidentally gotten a lynch rolling on BM. This seems like a really weird chance for scum to take, you've got an elected position who is immune to DT checks, why would you bus them out of everyone on the team. There's a logical disconnect here and I think we should back off BM for a second and everyone should individually go over this link here.

Secondly, how the hell is GGQ not up to lynch? I'm sick and tired of an obvious scum skating here.

On January 20 2012 13:55 blahz0r wrote:
Why did we vote for double lynch if we cannot find a suitable 2nd person to lynch for that day =x

On January 21 2012 04:46 Protactinium wrote:
Oh one more thing.

BrownBear would also be a good lynch.

BC/Foolishness please just pick someone to lynch and focus on that. Don't waste time arguing with people who won't listen.

On January 21 2012 04:50 p4NDemik wrote:
God why do I feel there is a gigantic disconnect in logic between me and the supposedly brilliant players that have gotten us to this point in the game. The fact they keep going to their inner circle of veterans to bolster themselves and not ever speaking to my actual points is killing me. If this means what I think it means it could be incredible but I need town to go with my logic please guys! I feel like I'm putting good logic out and being met with strict rhetoric at every end.

On January 21 2012 04:55 p4NDemik wrote:
Foolishness this is like the 3rd time that one of you guys have gone to that post but it is almost a week old at this point and rapidly losing it's value. I've said it before it looks to me like an intial facade to establish a mafia's town nature early on to cover up for his clearly lazy behavior that he has made recently.

This is what kills me. You and BC have gone back to that post and you don't address his current behavior at all. He is rolling over and dying here, if only someone would put the noose in my hand with votes we could lynch him and he still would remain apathetic to the end, he still wouldn't care about yesterday's lynch, and he still wouldn't care enough to defend himself.

On January 21 2012 05:12 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I don't remember reading any Chaosquo posts in quite a while now....

On January 21 2012 05:15 p4NDemik wrote:
I'm going to have to agree to disagree with your view of the game in that respect Proact, Foolish, and BC.

I stand firm that my logic is solid and that it can carry weight, and most importantly that a supersoft lynch looks to get a red as well as a sure tell on our mayor which is valuable. Join me town.

##vote Bill Murray and ##vote supersoft

On January 21 2012 05:32 Jackal58 wrote:

How are you guys all talking to each other?
And what direction are you heading in?

On January 21 2012 05:36 p4NDemik wrote:
This is so messed up you three have invested all day into BM and Kingjames. I've been like 95-99% sure on these lynches for hours upon hours and now you guys are randomly switching your vote to sandroba.

Whatever trust and goodwill you have been building up, it is quickly evaporating. You need to explain this.

On January 21 2012 05:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

I'm gonna take this post as a good opportunity to talk about sandroba as well.

So I defended him a lot yesterday. I felt like he was an extremely poor lynch choice especially with the other options at hand (GGQ ). People like Toad who were pushing for sand's death (yes toad I know you're not the only one) did not have a very strong case (I felt) and it seemed to me like scum trying to run a mislynch with protact/sandroba rather than the obviscum GGQ. Later in the day, there was a shift to macpo and the three previous candidates were largely forgotten. Now since macpo flipped red I can't fault this shift as scum.

Fast forward to today. The big three (protact/foolishness/BC) now think that sandroba is scum. Similarly they've exonerated GGQ. Quite frankly I'm baffled. There was one brief dismissive post made by foolishness(?) about how GGQ was cleared and that was never revisited. Meanwhile, the case made on sandroba is extremely unclear, at some point he just switches to being scum in their eyes. When I do see them make a case, like Toad said, it really just rehashes the stuff that was said yesterday. It's not like something new happened that made them think sandroba was scum, they just suddenly changed their mind.

So here's where I stand. I independantly was becoming suspicious of sandroba because of how he's lurked when the pressure was off of him. However the shift towards him by the three, seemingly without any new information, gave me pause. So I'd like to take this oppertunity to clear some things up

BC/Foolishness/Incog: Why is Sandroba scum? Why is GGQ not? Where along the line did these things change? You guys have collectively delivered three scum and that's great, but you can't fault me for being a little weary when your positions change seemingly out of the blue. I'm gonna echo P4ndemik a little here and I'm going to ask you to fully explain why you're thinking what you're thinking.

On January 21 2012 06:33 Jackal58 wrote:

I still want to lynch BM. If he's scum as Protact and company insist then they have no fear of being blown up. They can't have it both ways.

On January 21 2012 06:46 p4NDemik wrote:
He's the friggin sheriff and you practically had him dead to rights for all intensive purposes going into these last few hours of today. Why are you finding excuses to give him another day alive if you still think he is mafia and he can wreak havoc in night phase with jailing and the plethora of other night actions they have available.

On January 21 2012 06:46 p4NDemik wrote:
He's the friggin sheriff and you practically had him dead to rights for all intensive purposes going into these last few hours of today. Why are you finding excuses to give him another day alive if you still think he is mafia and he can wreak havoc in night phase with jailing and the plethora of other night actions they have available.

On January 21 2012 06:50 vaderseven wrote:
Come on foolishness. Isnt the fact that he claims a bomb on a good scum hunter more reason to lynch him than not.

You are acting like protact is a for sure goonee when BM is lynched and there is no resonable reason to think that.

On January 21 2012 06:50 p4NDemik wrote:
None so far proven but I feel I have one under the spotlight and I'm with you on BM.

Why are you and BC so self-unassured and relying on Proact? You guys are supposed to be super good veteran townies. Have more faith in yourself and have more faith in some of your fellow town. And most of all have faith in your read we all still think it is good.

On January 21 2012 07:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Ok ok ok everyone hold your horses. We'd all like to hear a coherent case out of the triumvirate. However let's not let things get blown out of porportion. Yes, we'd all like them just to spell it out, yes we are frustrated at their collective inability to explain wtf is going on. However now is not the time for veiled attacks on their credibility. This is the kinda thing I called out opz (still scum btw) for. We can be frustrated but it's not necessary to start spreading doubt yet. If they can't get their shit together by the lynch and the lynch falls apart and one or two townies die then we can start calling for some heat. Until then let's give them an oppertunity to respond to our requests. I think we (and by we I once again mean the recently active people) have made it clear what we need to hear. Let's not go overboard and start heaving accusations till we've heard their responses.

On January 24 2012 08:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think Foolish only playing the game exclusively outside the thread is scummy as hell - but that could be just me.

On January 24 2012 12:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
also: Foolishness

On January 24 2012 12:09 wherebugsgo wrote:


what was all that BM bullshit on day 1?

Just trolling us?

On January 24 2012 14:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


As bad as my mason idea was, im pretty sure it gave a near insta read of town to phil which imo was insanely important day 1.

Force discussions. My analysis may have been spotty but I managed to force people to post in alot of ways or force lynches which got people posting. That is all townlike.

All those who accused me after day 2 lynch -_-

On January 24 2012 15:03 ~OpZ~ wrote:

Phil?

Also...You made it shitty for us because I was scared to mason someone that I deemed a low level player. "oh hai guys, I talked to OpZ yesterday, here's da logz!"

On January 24 2012 16:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
To sum up this game

*turn on pokemon battle music*

Incog is sent out.
Incog uses Analysis
Its super effective

Mafia uses sacrifical lamb
It isn't very effective

Incog swaps out, BC sent in
BC is given Incogs analysis
BC uses push agenda
Its super effective

Mafia use fake claim
it misses

A wild foolishness appears
Analysis was approved.
Foolishness uses chain vote
All previous players vote with foolishness
Its super effective