EPTYeah, Palmar ,,actually started it'' but Palmar was kind of not caring about the game. 1 Liners aren't exactly helpful in a mafia game.
So instead i looked at the first poster who agreed on Protact's change to Macpo, from Cyriandor.
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Yeah, Palmar ,,actually started it'' but Palmar was kind of not caring about the game. 1 Liners aren't exactly helpful in a mafia game. So instead i looked at the first poster who agreed on Protact's change to Macpo, from Cyriandor. | ||
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On January 16 2012 16:58 Cyber_Cheese wrote: ##Vote rgTheSchworz Please explain. So far both lanaia and you are accusing me based on gut calls. While true that I haven't posted much, day 1 has pretty much been a mess, and I haven't been able to make that much of it.Macpo is mafia, especially considering his most recent post where basically he advocates that everyone has been bearing on his meekness and uninformed lists. Also he feels solidarity for risk.nuke, which doesnt exactly inspire me. A vote for these 2 is, so far , a vote for town. Really, risk.nuke? Townies read this. If you think someone is scum. Don't say I think he is scum. Quote, point out and explain where and what it is that this person have done to make you feel a certain way. If you find the manner of how someone post suspicious. Explain why. Make sure that the reader can follow your train of thoughts and understand how you came to your conclusion. If you think anything at all about someone else and you want to comment on it. Ask yourself before you finnish typing. Have I Quoted? Have I explained my views clearly? Have I pointed out or marked key parts. Hae my train of thoughts been clear? If everyone only did this it would make the scums life alot harder. A list of what should townies do? That confirms my suspicion.You try to accuse the whole town for not following your,,standard'' procedure As for the confusion, I AM NOT RTGICEMAN.I just found out his battlenet account, if that is any proof. I deem that having 2 accounts on b.net eu is rather useless for 1 person. Also, it appears I've been mixing up rtgICEMAN and rgTheSchworz. However, that's okay because they both feel the same to me anyhow. His posts have been troll posts that show that he has not been caring about the game.I let you decide, but I find it a bit hasty to assume that i am double-acc cheating or to associate me with him in any way. As for the accusations, please go forth gentlemen and speak up. | ||
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But the assumption that I copy pasted from a mafia QT is going too far. I missed your first 2 one liners, because, well they were 1 liners. In the beginning i also made the mistake of editing one post for spelling, when normally i shouldn't have. I hope that you realize that i can make mistakes that are, well, mistakes, and not OBVIOUS scumtells. | ||
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Postponing voting double lynch til Day 3 unless I sense that 2 serious candidates appear and have some people willing to vote for them.I wanted to lynch nuke and macpo, but momentarily no one seems to be considering their cases. Especially as Protact has been right about Cyriandor, and suggested macpo after this post: hi everyone! /confirm. I am a complete noob in this game, so please be forgiving to my small mistakes here and there! I'll try to share my views on this first day. Sorry if it's a bit clumsy, I am doing my best. 1. concerning the mayor election, I don't know if it's a usual thing, but I feel it's a bad idea to have too many people running for the election... in a sense, this mess is already a success for the mafia, isn't it? So, I would suggest that the persons who don't seem to be so concerned with it just stop running for the election, so that we have only a few candidates left. It doesn't mean there will be more or less scums among the left candidates, but at least, we can look more closely to who they are and clarify things. But maybe that's a bad idea! about who could be a good mayor, I am not so sure right now.(how difficult is it to ground any judgment at the moment! ) I think the main thing is to keep in mind that whoever we elect, we are absolutely not sure of who he really is, even if we convincingly voted for him after some reasonable discussion. So let me give my two cents (not worth more!). I have to say I appreciated the candidacy of Mr Wriggles , who has a clear argumentation and is pleasant to read. Not talking too much, making clear logical points. The only thing I am afraid of is that it may be a trick. Also, the Foolishness Bill murray candidacy sounds too big to be mafia-ish. There are claiming their "alliance" too loud, it would be way too risky for them if they were mafia, as everyone focuses on them. So, paradoxically, I would trust them more (or Bill Murray more precisely) as mayor. So I guess I will vote either Mr Wriggles, or Bill Murray; Mr Wriggles being more rational and precise in his analysis (but maybe it's a game) while Bill Murray is more a safety choice (with our very limited information, I feel it's rational to assume that he can't be mafia). But these are only very limited hypotheses and assumptions. How do you guys feel about that? I am also kind of sad that Echelon tee didn't apply, as I feel I share most of his analyses up to now . except for foolishness maybe. 2. Reading the whole 5 pages of debate, I noticed a few things. First is Cyber_cheese. What's the point of attacking Mr Wriggles from the beginning? that doesn't help for town cohesion at all (even more if it's a "joke"). it just looks like he wants to create a mess. Other people seem to have similar concerns with him, so maybe this is something worth discussing alltogether. So what do you think? Cyber, if maybe, could you say a word about this? To make it clear, it's merely an impression, I don't want to focus too much on you either. In a sense, Cyber is obviously not the only one. I feel that there are many useless agressive posts all around. So how do you guys feel about that? For instance, lthe ast one between Wherebugsgo and palmar, (as Toadesstern remarked): What's the point of being aggressive like that if you are town? Correct me if I am wrong, but I see no other reason for such a behaviour than one of them at least being scum. At the same time WBG's analysis sounds convincing for the moment. Others in similar situations would be nisani for instance. But maybe I am missing things here... Feel free to criticize my analysis, I am here to improve! and all my apologies to the misaccused persons, but from what I read in various guides, we have to go through this to find out real mafia... Macpo Bolded parts: How da fuck could you assume rationally he's town on day 1 without being scum?(keep in mind that was on page 28, 6 pages after this started). Questions, questions, too many questions in my eyes. Recapping what others said. Last part hasnt been remarked by anyone: Apologies to myslynches? BE SERIOUS!!! There's bound to be mislynches every damn game. Townies shouldn't mourn those who were lynched, that's wasted time.Mafia, on the other hand, would have a reason: Let the town focus on mislynches and accuse those who started a proactive campaign. Maybe that's going a lil too far, but this player seemed scum by this post. Add those just a short question : how are you so sure that palmar is scum? palmar sounded a bit agressive, but saying he is easy to read? (I am not asking this with an agressive suspicious tone, just trying to figure things out) Also, what is it in BCs posts that makes you feel he is trustworthy? Again,more questions,and a line to clear out suspicion. RED Ok, I feel I have now to address some critiques which got louder and louder to the point that I am close to being lynched. As far as my friendly tone is concerned, please first have a look at my previous posts in the mafia section, and you will see that I am not "faking" this for the purposes of the game (unless I had foreseen before actually starting the game that it would help being mafia later). http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133814¤tpage=27 or, in the beginning of this thread, before day 1. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=16 For further psychological profiling, if you really want to go that far, have a look at the zerg help me thread in sc2 strategy section. Do you guys remember that it is completely normal to be modest and friendly when you arrive somewhere? Think about it: you get on a forum you don't know anything about, how can you even think about doing this weird shit you all do, like random accusations every 2 seconds? I didn't suspect not doing this would bring me into huge trouble, and that insulting and accusing everyone was the way to go. So I feel it's kind of unfair to make me reproaches in this regard. About lists: what's wrong with lists, BM did a list… nobody complains… I still don't get the point. The truth is, I really don't know how to identify who is mafia. I have read many guides on TL, or even on mafia wiki, but hey! it's a lot of (often contradictory) information. Even the vocabulary is a pain in the ass, as I have to go on mafiawiki every two posts to understand what you are talking about. Now I feel my only chance is to be as transparent as possible. So here I am: my strategy was two sided. 1.I should be honest and rational (the simpler, the better), as the first thing you read in guides is that mafia was always trying to flood/spam/lack of argumentation. So I kind of spoke my mind, and especially shared my uncertainties (only liars want to appear to be certain). I tried to do some constructive stuff, at my skill level, like going through the filter and gather information on who is posting and who is not; instead of saying "=> YOU are guilty", without any kind of evidence as so many did, with the brilliant results we know. I am still not sure why I should give up this attitude, as I feel it's more constructive than lots of other stuff. Some people say I didn't want to take responsibility, but that's precisely being responsible: not to attack without any kind of reason. Not to mention the fact that I was one of the first to vote, for Bill Murray (who so nicely now wants to kill me). 2. Also, I definitely tried to make friends so that we can back up each other in case we were under attack (like Mr Wiggles and Echelon toe); I take that from my experience of previous games where it is essential (for those knowing Junta). Maybe it's a bit clumsy, it obviously didn't work, but hey! can you even call a piece of argument against me? But now, because of all this, I feel badly trapped! So I beg you kindly: don't lynch me! If there is any other evidence or question I can answer to, in order to prove my innocence, just let me know. But please (and I don't want to be excessive, but I am afraid it's gonna end up like that) don't make a stalinian trial like you seem to do all the time: "YOU ARE guilty Macpo - No no I am not? I didn't do anything, I wasn't even there! - WHY do you even defend yourself, if you are not guilty??? YOU ARE guilty! Bolded parts: So, you want to make friends,to defend one another? Well, as town, you are a meatshield, dont care if you die if you have done something useful. Only blues and reds would have something to gain.Overall tone does not suggest blueness. Can you call a piece of argument against me, then I feel badly trapped. This nailed his coffin.100% red here. If your aggressors cannot provide arguments, then you are safe, my friend. Why do you feel badly trapped! Because you're red. Now onto GGQ, as some have already voted against him and seems to be a popular choice. | ||
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I'm going to take a look at a few people, GGQ, rgtscworch, BC's list etc. rgtSchwors have been under alittle suspicion but I just saw he signed up for another game. To me that almost feels like a confession. He hasn't put that much pro-town effort into this game to justify signing up for a new game. Train of thoughts. Signing up for another game means he has more time. More time he doesn't put into this game means he is already putting down as much time as he wants to in this game. He is mafia. So, this is a confession, because i'm a newish player who wants as many games as possible to get a feel? I put time into this game,you're posting tons of BS.I'll argument your case later. | ||
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BC is obviously town and I'm voting for him. I lean towards having all masons claim today, but I can see the argument against it as well. Honestly, though, I don't see how being in the open as masons will prevent town masons from operating fully. By the way, Palmar should not be given a free pass to post badly on day 1 so that he won't be killed night 1. That's just silly logic. Being in the open makes PM's public as whoever hides PM's is then suspected.Logic fart, not enough to paint him. So, wait, if you post badly day 1, you won't get lynched?Logic fart. Care to explain why BC would be town? So far he has taken a fair part of day 1 discussion, which was unproductive. I'm not calling him red,because, as he said, he tried to spur thread talk about something other than candidacies. But that has been noted later. filter lynch protact or cyber_cheese yo The most significant of 1 liners i could find. Overall, this player is quite illogical and does not explain his opinions. We have better lynch candidates, but jump on his next ,,big post'' by his standards. | ||
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Seriously, the best thing that we got on him is that he considers macpo a ,,newb town''. This player doesn't have any logic at all, and therefore is hard to analyse.He says that people are bad without any reason, says who to lynch without basis, responds to trivial thread questions with 1 liners. It could be that he's mafia, but We have other priorities(macpo amongst glaring cases). Also, I don't give as much importance to things like: If a flipped mafia doesn't suspect another player , then he must be mafia(the other player). Mafia often bus their weakest players, maybe not as bad as pushing hard for their lynch when the player already has a decent number of votes, in order to weed out liabilities in their roster. Else they attract attention as a group that doesn't fit the town agenda. Prota,I believe you're bussing macpo because of your sudden switch from BC to him once you found out someone was going to notice anyway. Cyriandor was, for you, nothing more than a simple start to your campaign of painting scum-You were planning to switch anyway and let the case be forgotten. After macpo flips red, i'll turn towards you. You're suspicious, but there may still be cases in which you're innocent-I'll delve into it. | ||
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Look at how many votes are dispersed right now,tell me if that is happening. And better give a damn good reason why lynch a single digit (mostly 1 liner)poster who quite simply, doesn't make sense over Macpo, who has already incriminated himself. This is a single lynch day,we must lynch scum else we die from dissension,uncertainty and mafia making a bigger and bigger percentage of us. | ||
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(The only way Schworz would know he is bussing someone is if he was mafia too). Feel free to speculate on my supposed stupidity.Logically before playing i have read some Mafiawiki.I know what the term means. Macpo is a clear case for reasons i have mentioned.I won't switch to someone else unless people fail to vote. ##Vote: Macpo | ||
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On January 17 2012 08:20 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Everyone makes mistakes, I wasn't calling you dumb. I in fact state I've made the same mistake. It is speculation, so we'll see. Did you accidentally type bussing then btw? I notice you never really deny it in your post. Learn to read. No, not at all accidental, i find it more helpful to use an agreed-upon term than a whole sentence to describe the same thing. | ||
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What L has said about the snowball effect is right, but consider this: If you don't lynch scum with any of the 2 lynches, you wasted an opportunity, and made the scum stronger late-game, when you maybe found the scum, but you can't lynch em because their wagon will be the second one. Anyway, since the double lynch is enacted on D3 instead of D2 as I previously thought, it might not be that early to use it. ##Vote: Double Lynch I seriously hope Macpo flips scum, so that at least a semblance of a trail can be found | ||
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I seriously think behind our 3 heads are 2 mafia, or worse, all three of Foolishness,BM,BC are mafia. Foolishness may have supported BM because Foolish is very readable as scum, and thus tried to hide behind mattchew and BM, and also beacause BM had a real chance at mayorship from the start and that if he fucked up, due to his style he is unlikely to give trails. Pretty much a win-win for foolish here. BC has retracted his vote on BM, seemed pretty scared of Protact dying.He does a great job of mimicking scumhunting, while being wishy washy. Protact has found a third of the red team, including L which I did not highly suspect.His posts have been pretty focused apart from the day 1 switches.It would be moronic to kill him. On the other hand, I would have to be a complete idiot to believe BM's hatter claim. Reasons: 1.Why would you lay a bomb night 1 and forget night 2?? You're very likely to miss here,day 1 reads are unpolished at best.Apparently, you want us to believe that you assumed scum was running for the elections and you thought that was Protact. IMO you would not have done that if you were town, because it would have payed off to put a bomb on BC, or save your bombs for later: Think about it: If I die the first night as sheriff , WHO DO I WANT TO OUT : The mayor.That's right folks, BM can't die unless bodyguards are known or substituted both, 2nd case is crap, since then both sherrif and mayor would have died, or else mayor should have denounced bodyguards as SCUM. I pointed out a major flaw in BM's claim. Also posts like this I didn't get to send in anything last night, and I'm like 80 pages behind on reading I don't mind being lynched I've failed you all as a Sheriff Tries to accentuate he's sheriff and important without saying so. Anyone would disagree being lynched, but a townie sheriff more than scum sheriff.Why? Because as town, your ability per se helps town, no matter what.Scum, OTOH have to justify using incarcerate. Lanaia case? He gave a poor explanation, that it would help lower kp when it couldn't(First night, 10 reds). And scum, if they're not power scum, can and should sacrifice themselves should the need arrive. BM is scum, he has been throwing out trash posts including suspicion of both masons who masoned him, while if they were both scum, only one would have bothered.A few trash posts on my suspicion of protact, i said I believed he was bussing macpo, as the latter seemed pretty obvious as scum, perfect target for busses. Also, I wanted to see how protact would react. In conclusion, town wants to lynch KJ, so be it.Null on him atm. But GTF off sandro and ggq, cuz BM is SCUM. | ||
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And of course ##Vote: Bill Murray. | ||
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He could be an uninterested townie, could also be scum.Not the best lynch today GGQ isn't getting lynched today, nearly all votes have been distributed. And priority nr 1 for me is to get BM lynched for the reasons above. Plus, I am interested in seeing how KJ flips, because of BC's virulent response to KJ's accusations. I'll say it again :Vote BM if you think and care. | ||
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On January 21 2012 09:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ok we're not going to lynch BM. The risk of him being hatter is way to high. Protact is probably the most valuable asset town has at the moment, there's no point putting that in jeoprody. Here's what's going to happen. BM moves him bomb tonight to Bum or BrownBear. we vote DL tomorrow and tomorrow night BM puts his other bomb on whichever person he hadn't previously. Then we lynch BM. This utilizes BM's role properly, and it also gives a set date for BM to die so he won't just get away from this if he's scum. People seriously need to get off BM now. 1.You are suspicious already. 2. Get off BM??Can't you see he is BS-ing about being hatter and playing on your fear?Read my last post. You are being watched | ||
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