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On August 09 2011 05:48 Ace wrote: *raises eyebrow* Are some traits and roles are mutually exclusive? 1 shot Bulletproof Detective isn't possible right? Likewise with Detective/Vigilante? You claimed "all of the above" in Sleeper Cell. | ||
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On August 10 2011 01:45 GMarshal wrote: Arbitrary, we can take up to 50ish players Cool. Something to do while we're waiting. ![[image loading]](http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa238/redherring1/aaeu6.gif) | ||
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On August 14 2011 07:16 Sknowman wrote: Can somebody explain the concurrent thing in more detail? Cyriandor's explanation was like this: Explanation>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My head Do I sknow you from somewhere else? | ||
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On August 14 2011 07:53 Sknowman wrote: You sknow me as a fucking git.  | ||
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Nope. I just wanted to get things rolling and OriginalName was who I picked to get it rolling with. I have no rivals. Thankfully I was spared that this game. I was just following Gmans directions to start yelling at each other. | ||
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On August 15 2011 04:36 chaos13 wrote: This kind of stuff is absolutely useless. Unless you two are trying to create chaos and confusion, I suggest you don't spam and don't label anyone as scum without providing a decent reason for it. Of course it was useless. Wtf could I say of any use with the first post of the game? Let's start a Zodiac list? Let's lynch lurkers? Let's burn the witch? Wtf would you have liked it to say? A 200 word synopsis recapping the highlights of the town mafia guide? All useless shit as well but things scum love to hide in. Kind of like calling a useless post useless. | ||
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On August 15 2011 04:46 chaos13 wrote: Spam pisses me off. You should know that by now. I go after spammers pretty much every game. Read some of GMarshal's first posts. He's got the idea of how to do it properly - take the lead, start setting up a pro-town atmosphere. In other words, don't derp and start accusing people of anything. That just wastes time. Lol. Pretty much every game GMan starts with a town "how to" he's scum. | ||
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On August 15 2011 04:52 chaos13 wrote: You are one of the most irritating people to argue with ever. :p Sorry man but seriously. I knew my post was useless. GMan had just confirmed that indeed the game was on. I poked ON. Sorry if it offended you. Now what exactly would you like to discuss right now? Should we start another 5 page dissertation on the semantics we wish to use to define a lurker? If you want to do that I'll return when you all are done. I think we should begin with a discussion of the mechanics involved in the game. A lot of them are new to most of us. Not the roles but the traits. And the fact that traits can show up any where. | ||
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On August 15 2011 03:40 Varpulis wrote: We need to be careful about lynches in this game. A lot of lynches have ended up tied in the past, and they worked out because of the most votes first mechanic(an example of this is DrH's experimental haunted mafia, day 1 lynch), but could end in disaster in this one. Double lynching by mistake is a good way to lose quickly and painfully. Also, i'm going to be cracking down on people who are voting for people who are unlikely to get lynched without seriously pushing for such a lynch. It's practically an abstain vote, and abstain votes are scummy as all hell. So what you're saying is if we don't join your bandwagon we're scum? That's a scum agenda right there. | ||
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On August 15 2011 05:52 DropBear wrote: + Show Spoiler + I present to you: THE PLAN!!! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/omzLG.jpg) CLAIMING Traits are not alignment based so anyone with the following traits should openly claim immediately: - Rivals should claim once Day 1 has started. Rivals are much more likely to be townies than Mafia. Mafia already have their rivals: the town. Not only this, it puts into perspective your motivations in getting specific people killed. If you prove yourself useful and don't fuck things up you will be assisted where possible in achieving your goals. - Short Fuse should claim and never use their power of modkill. If you fail or succeed, deliberately goading people will shit up the thread to no end. Also it makes us seriously consider the lynching of a Short Fuse, the potential of having a VisceraEyes/BC event needs to be known beforehand. - Rabid Fanboy #1. You are essentially a mayor. Do not use this power without first putting it out in the open. We get a replacement if you die anyway so you are not as important as other roles, no need to hide. - Thief. The rapidly increasing chances of being instalynched as roles are stolen means that scum theives would be unlikely to risk stealing a role a second time, 1for1 trades are not good for Mafia. Claim outright so we can work out when and if you use your role. Additionally, all players should claim their roles, traits and alignments to me via PM asap :D VOTING Multiple lynches should be avoided on the first few days. We can save them until later when we have more information. Especially with the Night 0 start where people will probably die before we can get a lynch off, we can't just start offing large numbers of people straight away if we mislynch we get fucked much quicker. CELLS Are stupid. From what I have read in past games everyone ignores them and chooses to PM whoever they please. I am in favour of communicating with who you want and whoever wants to talk to you, forcing people into an arbitrarily formed cell doesn't make sense when the formation of such groups can easily be biased. Discuss! You're the Godfather? | ||
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On August 15 2011 06:12 slam500 wrote: so do we pick our own traits? Sure. Go ahead. If you didn't receive a trait in your role PM you probably are just vanilla scum. I accidentally deleted my PM. Who's on our team again? | ||
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On August 15 2011 06:25 DropBear wrote: If the rivals claim asap, then this defence is not available. We get rivals, if they exist, to claim now. Then we ignore them until later in the game and decide who we want to win amongst them. Townies are not going to team up with mafia to get their rival killed because they still lose if town loses. They will have to play a town game anyeay and the more they do the more likely we will help them with their individual win condition. Rivals: These players hate each other obsessively, and must do everything in their power to eliminate their rival. If a person's rival is alive at the end of the game, they lose, no matter which side wins, if their rival/s is killed, they will in turn win if alive at endgame, and their side wins. They will know the name of their rival/s from the start. Sounds like rivals could be of any alignment man. | ||
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On August 15 2011 06:31 Nisani201 wrote: Yeah, but if a rival would be scum-aligned, wouldn't that make it too easy? I dunno. The last part describing a rivals wincon is confusing to me. | ||
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On August 15 2011 07:47 Navillus wrote: Also on claiming I'm not policy opposed to claims but I think that for it to work someone needs to figure out exactly who should claim, what we do with them when they do, and what we do with people who should have claimed and didn't. This has not been done and it doesn't look like it will be done so I'm against claiming here, especially because in this game we can't know if someone should have claimed and didn't until it's probably too late we know the traits that need claiming not the people so overall I don't think anyone should claim today just for the sake of claiming. I didn't not so what I think I am is how the will this be. Makes fucking sense to me. | ||
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On August 15 2011 07:54 Navillus wrote: Jackal would you like me to use smaller words for you, ok I'll try to speak slowly. I am ok with claims under some circumstances. This is not one of them. Don't claim. Simple enough? I'm fluent in jibberish. Allow me to translate what you really said. I'm ok with role claiming. Except for people that shouldn't role claim. But those that should had better do so but how will we know who should and didn't. That's what you said. | ||
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On August 15 2011 08:01 Navillus wrote: Ok seriously I apologize for the bad writing I really am not trying to be confusing and again I am being clear about my stance, I am against claiming traits for the first few days of this game it does not seem useful and people won't do it. It's ok man. I poke everybody now and then. | ||
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On August 15 2011 08:01 TheAwesomeAll wrote: ok you are saying this: 1) hes town 2) hes noob 3) you guys cant see the difference 4) i just saved an innocent :D you know newbs also have a chance to spawn scum right? I agree its a coinflip with newer players so id say a dt check on him would be more then welcome, but you cant just shoot down the pressure because you feel hes town and think we cant handle the reaction you think he would give. you see whats wrong with that? I agree. A DT check would be worth the effort. | ||
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On August 15 2011 09:44 Ciryandor wrote: Yes, they become part of scum team; and vice versa, if he as scum robs a townie, he becomes town. Lynches go first before KPs (as per day/night cycle) Yes. 0000 KST is the deadline. So if a townie thief targets a scum he becomes scum And then he targets a townie and becomes townie. And then he outs the entire scum team. Damn wish I was the thief. | ||
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On August 15 2011 09:56 Sknowman wrote: I would imagine he can only use that once then, considering he'd have to take on that person's role from who he steals. Smurf Account (Thief): The player possessing this trait will be able to rob another player of his role and traits. The robbed player will die due to complications in the act of being robbed (read: He was killed by the thief). The Thief retains his Thief trait for the duration of the game, ie, he can keep robbing roles until the end of the game, or until he is dead. The Thief has a 33% chance to be caught, which would mean instant lynching. The chance of being caught doubles every time he steals a role. When he robs a role, his previous role will disappear, meaning he cannot go back to the role he had before. I dunno man. Seems like a scummy trait from the get go. Certainly not town friendly. | ||
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On August 15 2011 23:49 Varpulis wrote: statistically unlikely, but possible that at least one of the scum hasn't posted yet. Lots of vets too. JeeJee, OrigninalName (vets compared to the very new playerbase of this game) Well we don't know what the scum count is at the start. As they apparently have the ability to either kill or convert us I would suspect beginning numbers to be quite low. If that is the case then it is more statistically likely that they have not posted. Of course it's entirely possible that something may have happened that we as town have not been told about. | ||
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On August 16 2011 00:24 Varpulis wrote: ON was on IRC around 15 hours ago, but never posted anything, and wasn't really saying much in IRC either. Sent him and JeeJee prompting PMs Ya I poked him with my first post to see if he would react and all I did was piss of Chaos. | ||
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This: + Show Spoiler + Followed by this: + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2011 02:33 JeeJee wrote: discussing claim strategies for roles that may not even be in the game is a waste of time, drop it. good morning to you too. enjoy the night? Just screams "I'm scum" to me. Sorry. Your Friend, Jackal58. Dear GreYMisT Your immediate soft defense of your scum buddy screams louder. | ||
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On August 16 2011 08:13 Forumite wrote: Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it. See that's part of the beauty of it. If there is a tie and somebody votes to change it we have a scumbunny on our hands. If the consensus of town is Player X and Player Y should be lynched and then Player Z changes it up in the last minute we have a definitive lynch or vig shot. Player X= Nisani Player Y = GreYMisT Player Z = JeeJee (I can hear fine sir) | ||
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On August 16 2011 08:27 Forumite wrote: We used that logic in the game I mention above, we ended up lynching both the first target, the second target and the one who changed the vote that first night. 3 days, 3 lynches, 3 Towns dead... But this game has a pardoner type role that could undo a last minute lynch if he's on top of things. | ||
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On August 16 2011 09:02 OriginalName wrote: We should not be 3 way lynching D1. We lynch our scummiest suspect first and see if we are going in the right direction. Right now Slam500 is not a half bad lynch. However we have to keep in mind that he is a newbie, he is going to make mistakes and possibly be really intimidated, causing him to make more mistakes. Nisani makes a blatant scum slip and then disappears and you want to lynch a noob? | ||
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On August 17 2011 04:38 OriginalName wrote: I dont know why everyone is jumping on it as a scumslip as I figured that was the case anyways ._. Huh? | ||
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So Nisani who would you like to see lynched and why? Oh and hi Curu. Didn't I just see you in another game?  | ||
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On August 17 2011 22:53 OriginalName wrote: Drop you realise lynch is in 1 hour right? More like 13 hours. | ||
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On August 18 2011 03:12 Sevryn wrote: did he tell you anything that would make you lynch him if he was scum? Nope. I got a town vibe from him the more we talked. | ||
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From: DropBear [ 1464 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: I too Date: 8/16/11 00:06 I understand. I however have a really good feeling about you. That "plan" I posted in the thread was utter horseshit, I didn't believe a word of it. I just wanted to see some reactions. I would prefer that this doesn't leak to Varpuli because I too am interested in him. Everyone who was like "yeah that's a great idea I agree with every word" is on my FoS list. As to Kurumi's plan, at this point other than basically me and you, everyone is lurking. The problem with deciding on a second person is that more and more people will disagree. Most lynches are divided, having a second division will in turn make things harder. Arguing about one lynch is enough, having a second could shit things up pretty bad. Mind you I have not played in a game with multiple lynch before and I am unsure how to approach it. I would be in favour of it later in the game, not now on Day 1. The chances of hitting a second townie are too high, especially with the low activity so far. By Day 3, it is very easy to see who the lurkers are. Just hit filter. This isn't a big enough game for people to just hide so if people do try and blend for a long period they will get put up as a second lynch. We announce it in the thread and put them on the spot. The added pressure of being up for both scum lynch and lurker lynch will make someone crack. We get in their face and push. Hard. Until we get results, one way or the other. Original Message From Jackal58: Alright. Varp has just PMed me as well. Problem here is I think one of either you, Varp or Nav are scum. This early in the game I'm usually wrong but my trust level isn't through the roof if you follow me. I'm sending the same PM to Varp. How would we implement this? How do we decide #1 who is lurking enough to be worthy of a lynch and #2 how do we divide people into voting for a) our scum candidate and b) our lurker. Hide nested quote - Original Message From DropBear: was speaking to Kurumi about this plan. I have reservations. One person deciding to fuck things up could fuck things up. I pmd chaos and he replied but refused to talk to me. Everyone else I have spoken to is more forthcoming | ||
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On August 18 2011 03:48 Nisani201 wrote: That wasn't meant to be fishing, and I don't think that you're scum. Jackal is the one whom I think is scum. I sent it to you because I thought you were trustworthy enough (based on this) to take down DropBear if I died (remember that at this point I didn't 100% trust DropBear). It doesn't matter why you sent the name of our medic to anybody on day 1. It was moronic. If anybody else PMs you they're acting like morons too. If I was scum you'd be dead right now. But you're not dead because you're scum. I know this because you forgot to claim being role blocked. If you are DT you were either killed or role blocked last night. Neither happened. What happened? Our medic died. Ya the same one that claimed to you. You're scum bro. | ||
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On August 18 2011 04:09 Nisani201 wrote: Don't you understand? Scum killed DropBear BECAUSE either you or someone not in the scumteam would use it against me. Killing me via lynch is a chain in their combo streak, whereas killing me last night might not have worked in case there were more medics/protectors on me. What did you get back on your DropBear check? I know it's a redundant question but answer it anyways. | ||
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On August 18 2011 08:05 Nisani201 wrote: DropBear returned Townie. There are no vigilantes. Bullshit you lying scum. You claimed DT at least 20 hours before the flip. And you are going to try to tell us you weren't role blocked or killed? Bullshit. You are scum. Lying scum. | ||
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To: Sevryn [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: your question of nisan Date: 8/18/11 07:45 We'll see how he answers. Original Message From Sevryn: if he doesn't respond regular forumer hes scum. | ||
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Rabid Werewolves (Scum): They are people attracted to TeamLiquid for the massive pool of pool of less-than-fit people they can easily turn into chew toys. More information will be given to the scum but will not be public knowledge. If there is no RB the game is imba. | ||
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On August 18 2011 10:04 snotboogie wrote: Dropbear went out of his way to inform Nisani that Jackal is scum if he died. Seeing as how Dropbear claimed to Nisani, it wouldn't surprise me if he claimed to Jackal as well since that's his MO. In fact I have a hard time thinking of any other way he could be so sure that Jackal is scum, and that makes me disbelieve Jackal's claim that DropBear had didn't claim to him. Furthermore, even if DB never claimed to Jackal, I'm still positive DropBear and Jackal had SOME kind of PM interaction, and the fact that Jackal is hiding it makes me think he's scum. ##Vote Jackal58 I posted my PMs with DropBear. I haven't hid anything. | ||
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TAA and ON give me the wilburs as well. | ||
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On August 19 2011 07:41 Curu wrote: Something concrete besides the speculation. I do indeed think Jackal is hiding something since the PMs he showed were not enough at all to tell someone Jackal is scum upon his death. This would be completely confirmed if DropBear told someone else too other than Nisani though. No idea. I have another set of PMs from him I missed. They were on page 2 of my inbox. + Show Spoiler + To: DropBear [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: CONGRATULATIONS Date: 8/15/11 05:34 His point on voting is misplaced. May be a scum agenda. "If you don't bandwagon you're scum" Original Message From DropBear: Lol I'll keep that in mind. I feel much more confident in reading him than most of the other players in this game, I got a roleblock on him Day 2 in PTP2 which got him lynched. I do not feel the same about many of the others, about half are unfamiliar to me. What do you think about Varpuli's opening? Hide nested quote - Original Message From Jackal58: Yes. We play Mafia at UG. A guitar forum. We have known each other for quite some time. If he does not call me scum at some point during day 1 he is scum. He always calls me scum day 1 unless he is. Original Message From DropBear: That post about gmarshal was wierd. He isn't exactly following his own advice either. You two are friends from outside the forum yes? Original Message From Jackal58: Chaos13 has his scum meta cranked up early. Original Message From DropBear: Lolk. I am quite open so feel free to ask me questions and you will generally get an answer. Original Message From Jackal58: Cool. No I have no rival. It's bad enough I have to tunnel Kurumi in personality mafia and I was stuck as a scummy Harry Potter in PTP2 and had to get Voldemort killed. Nope no rivals in this game. No posting restrictions. No mandated actions. Just me as me. The mechanics in this game are a bit different so I'll be observing more at the beginning than I usually do and I'm damn near invisible on day 1 to begin with any ways. But feel free to PM all you want. I always have opinions I'm just not always willing to share them with everybody. Oh and if you're scum go die. Original Message From DropBear: You have won the prize of my first ever pm in a pm game. I have two questions. Were you serious about not having a rival or is ON actually your rival? Would you think it is pro-town for rivals to claim? | ||
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On August 19 2011 08:19 DroneAllDay wrote: Yeah from what I've seen I personally believe that whether or not the rival thing is true I don't care but I'm gonna attribute the whole pm thing to Trotske being a newbie for the time being but I'm putting him on my radar. But it does seem that Jackal is hiding something and overall I still do not trust Forumite. What am I hiding? Why the fuck would I hide anything. If DropBear thought I was scummy do you really think he would include it in PMs to me? Is there any thing any where in the PMs where roles are discussed? Either his or mine? Or traits? Or anything like that? No. Because we never discussed roles or traits. He asked me if I was a rival with ON because of my first post in the game. That was the extent of it. The person the he claimed to is Nisani. Not me. Nisani makes a scum slip day 1. Then claims DT. Then claims DB told him he was medic. Then claims he checked a dead guy. Are you guys so fucking stupid that you're going to buy this shit??????? If Nisani is a DT I'm fucking Mother Theresa. | ||
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On August 19 2011 08:38 Forumite wrote: What are you talking about? The OP says the rivals know who their rival is. This is to easy. GMarshall, can rivals work the way Hiro described? Dude seriously. Mods love to step on the heads of people that lie about talking to the mods. | ||
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On August 19 2011 09:28 DroneAllDay wrote: I'm saying the pms you showed does not make me think dropbear gave you information to make him think that if he died you were scummy, but obviously he did, otherwise he would not have said as such, which means you are hiding something, which means you are acting scummy. but to be honest I'm not giving any of Nisani's check worth too for those same reasons all in all my opinion at least one of the three of you are scum, if not multiple of them (that and there are 2 DT types and each only detects a certain kind of scum. so I don't find the detectors too useful in this game). Of corse he didn't PM somebody and call them scum. See how long the conversation lasts. | ||
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On August 19 2011 21:59 Curu wrote: Jackal's chainsaw reaction pretty much confirms him as scum. See, when Nisani made that post saying if DropBear dies then either me or Jackal is Mafia, my natural response was "there's a false connection to me since I'm not guilty of anything." Jackal's natural response was "NISANI IS SCUM HE ACCUSED ME." Guilty conscience. ##Vote Jackal58 Go ahead. You guys are getting raped and you're enjoying it. I made no chainsaw defense. I pointed out the obvious. Nisani is scum. I'm gonna laugh my ass off when the guy next in line for Leader is scum. | ||
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And I have no idea if the dead medic thinks I'm scum or not. We have scum telling us what the dead guy said. | ||
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On August 20 2011 00:21 Curu wrote: @Jackal This was your post when Nisani first claimed DT, why the sudden surety about him now? Because he survived. Because he knew who the medic was. Because he claimed to have checked a dead guy. If you claim DT and a medic PMs you to tell you who you he is and that he will protect you that's not the guy you do a DT check on. If he's lying and he's scum you are dead anyways. If he's telling the truth you'll be alive in the morning. He's scum. He's claiming he checked the medic that he killed. There is so much wrong with this it's not even funny. | ||
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On August 20 2011 02:38 Nisani201 wrote: Maybe you don't understand, but I understand perfectly. I have the PM's from DropBear, which is all I need. The opinion of a dead guy. Fed by scum to a school of derps. If all it takes for you to beconvinced I'm scum is a dead guys day 1 opinion that somebody "may" be scum and to "keep an eye on him" you're a moron. | ||
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To: Nisani201 [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Werewolf Mafia Date: 8/20/11 02:44 You're scum If that's all it takes lynch him tomorrow. | ||
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From: Nisani201 [ 309 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Werewolf Mafia Date: 8/20/11 05:07 Curses! Foiled again. Original Message From Jackal58: You're scum Reply | ||
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DropBear successfully destroyed town on day 1. Gj man. To bad you weren't scum | ||
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On August 28 2011 02:50 Nisani201 wrote: wat You're a derp. Why would you tell somebody who the medic was in PMs on day 1? | ||
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Oh and btw. Next PM game we're in together, don't PM me. | ||
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Jackal58
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On August 28 2011 20:06 Ciryandor wrote: Yeah, nobody used Leadership abilities. I would actually trim back on the KP on Scum rather than give Town more KP (my original concept as taken straight from the other place I GMed in was to give 1 scum team a shot per night, but on different nights Team 1 on odd nights, Team 2 on even nights), they massacred the scanners early on. In the game that unfolded, Scum had 1KP/day + 1 bonus 1 time KP via getting lynched/shooting someone + potential lynch steering if it got to that point. The Apprentice would have been best off assigned under the Detective immediately, but in a larger game, it might as well as be made an FFA role that the Godfather or either of the 2 town-aligned scanners could get. Because the derps lynched me for a non - existent PM. Never create scenarios that fit your assumptions. If you have to do that you're wrong. You have facts in front of you. Fact 1 DropBear claimed to Nisani. Fact 2 Nisani told Curu. Day 2 lynch should have been 1 of those 2. Not me. The scenario you used to lynch me was based upon pure imagination. DB's PM made Nisani look like scum. Nisani's PM made Curu look like scum. You had to invent reasons to make me look like scum. | ||
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