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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 03 2011 21:00 GMT
#4
/in
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 04 2011 07:56 GMT
#95
Oh this started already, that was quick

As to my intentions, I'm a perfect gentleman, I assure you
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 04 2011 21:53 GMT
#138
I will be focusing my attention on the puzzles, at least initially. I woke up in a rather uninteresting room and heard a child laughing. That's about it.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 04 2011 22:44 GMT
#142
I solved the puzzle by the way
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 04 2011 22:44 GMT
#143
The first puzzle that is, the second one still has to or can be solved
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 05 2011 08:06 GMT
#182
The first puzzle was a standard caesar cipher with a shift of 16.

YDDE Q ______ (note 6 missing letters) -> "Inno a" -> "Inno a Satana"
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 05 2011 08:15 GMT
#183
I suppose I might as well reveal that I was rewarded a second inventory slot for solving the puzzle. I did anticipate that there might be rewards for solving the puzzles as you had to PM the answers to the host. I may not submit an answer for the second one, but if I figure something out I can post suggestions in the thread.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 05 2011 09:45 GMT
#188
Varpulis riddle sounds somehow familiar; perhaps the same concept with different words but I can't quite place it. As to the card puzzle, it feels like there's information missing if it points to a safe combination. For instance, if LEVIATHAN refers to bible, the combination could be 41:1-41:34, but would that mean 41 right, 1 right, 41 left, 34 left or what? Also is there a significance to part of the word combination being cut off? In the light of first puzzle, I think we shouldn't overthink the answers.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 05 2011 10:10 GMT
#190
Oh and unless it's just flavor or it's referring to something else, I've a reason to believe either no one was scum until day 1 began or there's a recruiter. It's also even possible that no one is scum yet. DrH stressed that people should read their event PMs carefully, which could, among other things, refer to alignment change. I guess with all the caveats the information isn't very useful, but I'm less inclined to lynch someone based on posts they made before the day 1 post.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 05 2011 11:09 GMT
#193
Given the reward for the safe puzzle is an item, I think wrong answers should be posted in the thread. Whoever solves it should also claim in the thread as scum knowing who has it isn't that big a deal because the item can be transferred before possible NKs go through
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 05 2011 14:22 GMT
#201
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan_number

Heh, that would be somewhat appropriate
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 05 2011 19:20 GMT
#209
So did someone attempt sending in 1,594, 1594 or 3? Based on the link above

Might be too far fetched if the answer is "logical" because there's no one clear answer based on that
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 05 2011 19:23 GMT
#212
On August 06 2011 04:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
there is a severe misunderstanding of the puzzle so i will intervene this once. there is more than one number input in the combination.

Well that was the initial assumption, but the problem to me is that there are so many possibilities, it's hard to rule anything out and you only get one chance. Of course, we just could be missing something incredibly obvious.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 05 2011 20:41 GMT
#217
So what was it
syllogism
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Finland5948 Posts
August 05 2011 20:46 GMT
#219
Oh that simple
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 05 2011 20:46 GMT
#220
That was literally the first thing I considered and then dismissed it as too obvious
syllogism
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Finland5948 Posts
August 05 2011 20:58 GMT
#224
On August 06 2011 05:55 Varpulis wrote:
and out of curiosity what was the thought process that led to the solution, for those of us who didn't dismiss it as too simple an answer.

L E V I A T H A N
12-5-22-9-1-20-8-1-14
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 05 2011 23:01 GMT
#235
Rereading the thread, it looks like we are basically left with either lynching a lurker, lynching based on setup/meta or purely random lynching. I don't know to what extent the setup was RNGed, but if there is a cult recruiter, it's almost certain the role went to someone DrH considers veteran/good. It's rather unlikely he completely RNGed this as a lot of work clearly went into this and having it end early would be unfortunate.

I don't know DrH at all, but this line of thinking rules out at least Varpulis/Trotske/Curu/Me and probably a few others. These players also aren't likely night 0 cult recruiting targets. I'll further narrow it down to meapak/kita/bumat/coag/amber/palmar/mig. I'm eliminating mig/palmar from consideration rather arbitrarily for now. Coag seems to be playing his recent style of "not actually playing the game", so voting him would be tempting. Amber hasn't been doing anything either. Bumat has been only marginally more active while meapak and kita have been putting more effort into this. I think a cult recruit would be putting more effort into this, so I'll be deciding between those two, or possibly amber, tomorrow. These are quite weak reasons for lynching someone, but I've to work with what I have.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 05 2011 23:15 GMT
#237
On August 06 2011 08:09 kitaman27 wrote:
Why is everyone so certain that someone has been recruited into a cult? I don't know about you guys, but I was unable to perform any night actions on night zero, so I assume it is the same for others. Accusing people of being cult recruits at this point is only placing unnecessary doubt on pro-town players. syllogism, your thought process behind your vote is rather odd. Not only is it unlikely that anyone is a cult recruit, you are also punishing activity and promoting a poor thread environment.

Yes, it's unfortunate but if I go on the path of lynching useless lurkers, I will still be stuck lynching lurkers by day 4. I will of course reconsider based on thread activity. I'm also not completely against lynching someone based on being worthless, but I'm inclined to believe that in the likely setup the scum will not be found there. There are flavor and more substantial reasons for believing the game did not begin as a standard 9/3 setup. Whether there is a recruiter or if DrH is making the decisions is another story. Nothing about the setup is obviously guaranteed, but you would have to provide me reasons for me to believe that it's a normal setup.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 05 2011 23:31 GMT
#242
The whole night 0 combined with a period of silence to make sure everyone reads their PMs is rather suspicious. That and all the flavor in OP and PMs.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 06 2011 10:02 GMT
#269
Mig,curu and redff are all viable picks based on what? If it's because you consider those the most likely recruiter targets, I disagree. We should keep between them unless someone feels otherwise? We already have people mostly voting for other candidates so that seems rather nonsensical
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 06 2011 14:44 GMT
#272
Mig, I'm curious to hear what you think about Palmar's play so far
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 06 2011 16:10 GMT
#279
The votes are so spread out that I'll rather vote to lynch someone who isn't going to be useful or make his alignment apparent than risk lynching someone more active when scum can potentially just redirect the lynch. I'll be around for the lynch though so I'll re-evaluate if necessary.

##vote Coagulation
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 06 2011 20:00 GMT
#284
No one has more than 2 votes as far as I can tell. We need to consolidate. I'm torn between coag, amber and palmar. Tempted to lynch Palmar, but I would like to hear more from him first. You around palmar?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 06 2011 20:57 GMT
#292
I'm willing to believe Palmar's claim about genuinely being away. If he doesn't revert to his standard play on day 2, we'll lynch him. That leaves Amber and Coag for today. Amber, I find your non-meta reasons for voting palmar quite suspicious, especially this bit

"his pregame cult thing kinda got me nervous. It's a good cover up to hang backon later in the game.

What does that even mean?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 06 2011 21:21 GMT
#302
Mig any thoughts on Amber? You've been quite inactive in here
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 06 2011 21:23 GMT
#305
Who is leading the vote?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 06 2011 21:37 GMT
#310
Considering we've 3 people tied at 2 votes so close to the lynch and there's little to no activity, either they are all town or this really is a strange setup and there are fewer than 3 scums currently. Even if there were only two, they could probably get a townie lynched.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 06 2011 21:43 GMT
#313
Mig's logic above is a bit lacking by his standards. They both have only two votes on them and no one seems to be willing to save them?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 06 2011 21:43 GMT
#315
They both had two votes that is
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 06 2011 21:48 GMT
#322
I don't see why Curu would have been recruited to a cult on n0. At least there is a chance with Amber/coag. Assuming that even is the setup, it's really hard to make informed decisions when we know nothing about the setup at all.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 06 2011 21:51 GMT
#327
On August 07 2011 06:49 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2011 06:48 syllogism wrote:
I don't see why Curu would have been recruited to a cult on n0. At least there is a chance with Amber/coag. Assuming that even is the setup, it's really hard to make informed decisions when we know nothing about the setup at all.


THERE IS NO CULT THAT WE KNOW OF

No one should be voting someone based on the likely hood of them being recruited. We would want to find the recruiter anyway. Don't blind yourself dude.

So what do you think the setup is? If there's 3 scum, no way we are lynching one tonight with this lack of focus and vote distribution
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 06 2011 21:55 GMT
#335
On August 07 2011 06:54 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2011 06:51 syllogism wrote:
On August 07 2011 06:49 bumatlarge wrote:
On August 07 2011 06:48 syllogism wrote:
I don't see why Curu would have been recruited to a cult on n0. At least there is a chance with Amber/coag. Assuming that even is the setup, it's really hard to make informed decisions when we know nothing about the setup at all.


THERE IS NO CULT THAT WE KNOW OF

No one should be voting someone based on the likely hood of them being recruited. We would want to find the recruiter anyway. Don't blind yourself dude.

So what do you think the setup is? If there's 3 scum, no way we are lynching one tonight with this lack of focus and vote distribution


wtf? If mafia vote together then the win the game for us. If you think it's coag then explain why. Just because we dont have a a great shot at it doesnt mean we should go off on some other tangent and base our vote around something we dont know.

Vote because people are scummy, not because you think someone else thinks they would be good scum.

None of the people that are currently up for lynch have done anything all day and "coag never does anything" isn't exactly a convincing case for him being town
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 06 2011 21:59 GMT
#339
I've seen Curu's scum play and this is not it. I'm not sure what this exactly is though haha
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 06 2011 22:04 GMT
#345
So we had two people waiting right until the deadline to do last minute switched to save themselves. Doesn't exactly inspire confidence in either
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 06 2011 22:07 GMT
#348
Haha
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 06 2011 22:17 GMT
#355
It's a shame we don't get to see his role to confirm that he was a cult recruiter type. Still, I find it rather unlikely that the game started with a 3 player scum team considering how easily Amber got lynched despite the vote spread.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 06 2011 22:25 GMT
#358
Varpulis, if you think disclosing what your item is might help us solve your puzzle, go ahead and reveal it. Considering we lynched the high priest today, I don't think it could be particularly harmful.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 06 2011 23:43 GMT
#363
On August 07 2011 08:32 Varpulis wrote:
ok cool. item is tarot cards. basically an alignment checker.

sorry i missed the lynch DrH, honestly thought it was later, if i'd known i'd miss it i'd have voted with my check in post made on my friends phone.

rofl we killed high priest.

I didn't intend you to disclose what the item does, just the name. If we've a medic, protect varpulis. While we currently don't have to eliminate the remaining scum to win, I'm guessing that if we fail at the puzzle solving win con we will have to. Protecting me isn't a bad idea either, considering I solved the first puzzle and it looks like scum can't win unless they prevent us from solving some of the puzzles.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 06 2011 23:57 GMT
#366
If your puzzle is related to your item, I'm guessing you've to match the tarot cards with the names

The Magician, The High Priestess, The Empress, The Emperor, The Hierophant, The Lovers, The Chariot, Strength, The Hermit, Wheel of Fortune, Justice, The Hanged Man, Death, Temperance, The Devil, The Tower, The Star, The Moon, The Sun, Judgement, The World, and The Fool.

THE MAN BORN I Uh, The Fool?
THE FALLEN KING OF BABYLON II The Devil? The Emperor?
THE LIGHT III The Sun
THE END IV Death or Judgement
THE MORNING STAR V The Devil? Apparently it can also refer to Virgin Mary, in which case this could be The High Priestess
THE STAGE VI The World

syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 07 2011 09:16 GMT
#384
I'm quite suspicious of Mig. Before the game started he seemed quite interested in the setup, especially the puzzles, but now he has been fairly inactive and his late palmar vote and the lack of thread presence after that doesn't look like townie Mig.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 07 2011 15:59 GMT
#389
On August 08 2011 00:52 Mig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2011 18:16 syllogism wrote:
I'm quite suspicious of Mig. Before the game started he seemed quite interested in the setup, especially the puzzles, but now he has been fairly inactive and his late palmar vote and the lack of thread presence after that doesn't look like townie Mig.


Kill Mig!

You know if I had kept my vote on Coag he would have had 3 votes first and he would have died instead of Amber. I switched to Palmar because I thought he was more likely to be scum.

You right, that does alleviate some of my concerns, though perhaps you thought I would switch with you. If Amber was a recruiter, who do you think he would have recruited on n0? I can't really make much sense of the voting patterns unless the other scum was someone who wasn't around for the lynch.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 07 2011 16:49 GMT
#397
On August 08 2011 01:45 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 01:31 redFF wrote:
no it just sounds like role fishing.


Cmon now. Think to yourself: What purpose would it serve me as scum to learn a single person who doesn't have an item. I already know several people who do have items, so if I was looking for a hit I would just kill one of them. If someone does come forward, they will likely be able to learn that my intentions were pro-town anyways.

Palmar said his cabinet was empty, which probably means he has no item
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 07 2011 21:41 GMT
#411
The most obvious thing first: it's a bible quote (Revelation 6:8)
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 07 2011 22:04 GMT
#427
"You walk out into the main chamber and up the stairs. The doors are now unlocked. It's time to face your next trial. You sense that the nature of this puzzle might be much more involved. The doors swing open into a larger lounge type room. There are six sofas, three on each side of the room. Small tables sit a few feet away from each red leather sofa and the wall is mostly bare except for torches that keep the room lit."

Is this flavor or part of the puzzle?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 07 2011 22:09 GMT
#430
I do like Curu's answer, but I'm not sure how well it fits into the occult theme of the game
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 07 2011 22:16 GMT
#435
I find it rather unlikely a satanic cult would have the answer be any of those. Also the part where it says the puzzle might be "more involved" and there being 6 sofas is interesting, though I'm not sure how that could in any way relate to the password.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 07 2011 22:17 GMT
#438
Err those parts stand out, I intended to say
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 07 2011 22:27 GMT
#445
So DrH edited the puzzle to add in "You glance over it quickly"? Could that imply that we have to look at the painting more closely
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 07 2011 22:34 GMT
#448
The img url was changed to

http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j363/vampireinsect/findthecreatorsprofile.jpg

It was a generic one previously (http://i.imgur.com/4QMzM.jpg)
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 07 2011 22:39 GMT
#449
So err this is his profile http://vampirefreaks.com/vampireinsect ? Anyway, I'm done for the day
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 08 2011 07:08 GMT
#484
Yes Bum is a good lynch candidate today, been trying to figure out the puzzle but I've no idea what we are supposed to do with the pastebin
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 08 2011 08:23 GMT
#486
Your posts near the lynch were quite strange. For instance


On August 07 2011 06:43 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2011 06:37 syllogism wrote:
Considering we've 3 people tied at 2 votes so close to the lynch and there's little to no activity, either they are all town or this really is a strange setup and there are fewer than 3 scums currently. Even if there were only two, they could probably get a townie lynched.


Amber is getting lynched as of right now with three, but I think mafia is too scared to change their votes, unless trotske has balls of steel. I think amber dying will bring a lot to the table, especially with votes this tight. But I'd rather have one of the three I listed get lynched. So I'll vote curu as well, amber is a good player and can be useful.

##Unvote
##Vote Curu


You didn't want to lynch Amber, votes were fairly evenly distributed and yet you thought Amber dying "will bring a lot to the table"? If he had flipped town, why exactly do you think that would be the case?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 08 2011 16:23 GMT
#491
We should keep the lynch between Bum and Mig today and DT check the other. Curu isn't cleared, but I think he was in a better position to save Amber, which definitely would have been worth the risk if he was a recruiter. Mig still doesn't appear to be caring about the game and once again putting no effort into solving the puzzle, which goes against his plans before the game. Bum seemed curiously against the idea of there being a cult, while there actually was an abundance of evidence hinting towards it. He even went as far as to suggest that Mig is a good day 1 candidate purely because Mig considered a cult to be likely in this setup. Yet, his reluctance to vote for Amber was purely based on him considering Amber a good asset to town, despite him lurking most of the day. Being wrong or contradictory isn't something reserved to scum, but I still find the reasoning suspicious.

Based on voting, it's quite difficult to see which one is more likely scum. Both had at certain point a chance to save Amber, but Trotske cast the deciding vote with only 35 minutes left and at that point no single vote switch was enough to save him, unless the switch was away from Amber. Mig had just switched from Coag and earlier stated that he found Amber/Palmar/Coag suspicious, so he was pretty much stuck voting Palmar or Amber. Similarly, Bum had wanted to keep the lynch between redff/curu/mig, and indeed he switched to Curu as soon as someone else expressed interest. Bum put more effort into getting people to switch away from Amber, but not enough to look criminating by itself.

I'm still assuming there were only two scum because otherwise the lynch makes little sense, unless the third one was basically afk the whole day.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 08 2011 16:26 GMT
#492
I gave up on the puzzle as I'm strongly disliking the lack of direction and framing. Basically everything in Bum's profile/blog could be related to the puzzle and I'm not getting anywhere with just the pastebin material. It's not even clear what in the day post is related to the puzzle and what isn't.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 08 2011 16:26 GMT
#493
Err, DrH's profile/blog
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 08 2011 16:33 GMT
#495
I don't see why the answer would be directly related to anything in the pastebin because it suggests that it merely leads to another URL address rather than the answer
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 08 2011 17:03 GMT
#498
On August 09 2011 01:54 redFF wrote:
THE NUMBERS YOU NEED ARE IN THE BOOK.

That would be more helpful if we knew what it relates to at all, how to use said numbers and what the book is. I suppose it's likely the book of reveleations, but nothing really stood out in it. Perhaps Curu is on the right track with 6:8 though.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 08 2011 20:51 GMT
#510
So the game didn't end? Does that mean there's still scum left or just that we have to work for that other win con?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 08 2011 21:40 GMT
#521
Hahahahaha
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 08 2011 21:42 GMT
#524
The setup looks very town favored role wise, but I suppose the penalties for not solving puzzles could balance it, and we didn't have time to rely on the roles anyway
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 08 2011 21:49 GMT
#529
Oh so there was a cult mechanic, but amber got to pick two
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 08 2011 21:54 GMT
#533
So my voting analysis was correct, heh
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