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Confirmed townie is definitely better. Have you heard how Ace talked about Masons in that Mafias #1 targets thread? It's because they're confirmed so easily. A confirmed townie is valuable, and that's just 1 person less to shoot at. Furthermore, even hitting a townie can give us a lot of information for our first official lynch. It also gives us new information to re-evaluate our thoughts. If he dies because mafia stacks, all the better. This means, if we miss, we killed 1 extra townie day 1, but also saved 1 extra townie night 1. Pretty even. If the Day Vig doesn't shoot, there is a chance that he gets sniped night 1, especially with all the talk about him. I think it's beneficial to have him shoot. The problem is... is there a Day Vig? o.O | ||
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On August 02 2011 08:50 heist wrote: Show nested quote + On August 02 2011 08:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On August 02 2011 08:25 sandroba wrote: How is that going to keep discussion focused on blues? We'll have 2 lynches to discuss and basically skip night 1. If you say it's rare to hit mafia that way day1 it's exactly the same way as a day1 lynch and we go straight into the next lynch with info from the flip/wagons. so we should kill more townies to get more information? the best thing to do imo is save the town kp for the end when it becomes safer to use, that's how games get won lol' it isnt a skip night 1 simple mafia stack hits on vig ruining everything no wthere are probably 3 dead townies and a wasted town kill power thats a great plan i support it 100%..... Are you opposed to this plan in general? Or its use day 1? I fully support this plan day 2, and tentatively day 1 depending on town's conviction of the victim. After 24 hours if we don't have a strongly suitable candidate, I don't think we should use the day vig just yet. The soldier is the most powerful role for the town: a day vig that can confirm himself. Let's not waste it on someone who is sorta fishy/lurky just to get a confirmed townie. We can wait till day 2. I can't see mafia not double stacking the day vig night 1 if he is revealed. He provides an easy outlet for dt checks and the ability to coordinate all roleblocks and protections. If we wait till day 2, it'll be a lot clearer for the day vig to coordinate who to roleblock/kill/protect etc. Also if we wait till day 2, the night 1 DT checks will provide confirmed townie/scum. So if the day vig is doublestacked, he can pass his entire network to the confirmed townies. That way everything isn't completely destroyed if the day vig dies. Wait, what? No, there wouldn't be confirmed townies aside from the Dayvig unless you're risking letting the info fall into the hands of the godfather. Why would you suggest that? I understand picking townie isn't likely, but it's still a possibility we CANNOT rule out. There are confirmed scum through DT checks, but no confirmed townies. Also, day2 reveals a problem as well. If the DT checks the dayvig, he's essentially wasted a DT check. | ||
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On August 02 2011 09:00 Curu wrote: Show nested quote + On August 02 2011 08:54 redFF wrote: On August 02 2011 08:51 Curu wrote: Huh? I don't understand your post. The confirmed Townie tells the player who he is going to shoot or protect, he doesn't tell all Medics what every Medic is doing. Since we know how much KP Mafia has I very much doubt any of them are going to be able to claim Vig. So you want one townie conducting every single vig hit/medic protect/hatter bomb? k here's an example. Mafia-I will be protecting player x Confirmed townie-no someone else is protecting him. now mafia know's to not hit player x. I would be more open to this plan day 2 or 3. But all i see is 2 townies getting lynched and losing a dayvig and that person most likely dying the next night. No, it goes like this: Mafia-I will be protecting player x Confirmed townie-stfu I choose who you protect, you'll be protecting player y Mafia-Okay... Yup, and if Mafia shoots player Y, and player Y dies, then clearly the medic isn't a medic but is mafia. :/ So if mafia tries to be medic, it effectively hurts them. | ||
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On August 03 2011 12:42 JeeJee wrote: actually screw it let's get the ball rolling. anyone disagree with drazerk as a candidate? Yeah, I do. I played with Drazerk AA and he acted the same way. If I recall, it was basically a "Lynch Wiggles" post and then afk. I'm down for either varpulis or Kenpachi. I don't get why sandroba's supposed to have seemed town. I mean, looking back on the plan, I realize it's incredibly bad. and this post by sandroba docH, how is the simple fact that it's no longer day1 is going to make lynches more acurate down the line? If we can speed up the process and basically skip night 1 how is it possibly bad for town? What? He knows better than this. So the plan basically becomes let's out the dayvig and give mafia a free blue. :/ | ||
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On August 04 2011 07:19 youngminii wrote: or scum is getting worse Don't be a pessimist. I support the shooting of JeeJee | ||
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Yes, I understand lynching for information was bad. I was making the point that losing 3 townies is losing 3 townies until I realized day-vigis get 2 shots so we still effectively lose a vigi, and later shots are more accurate. Why did I change positions? I argued with DrH about this in Mafia IRC and reconsidered my position. Still supports the plan, but here he actually makes a nonsensical point. Nobody was suggesting the mafia would claim protecting someone and then shoot them instead... Neither was I... I was stating how fake-claims by mafia would hurt them under the plan... Like, do you not understand that that was a continuation of thought from what Curu said? >_> Also, you're tunneling by the third "point." Did you not read "looking back?" I re-evaluated my position. Would you like to hear why I realize it's a bad plan? A. It lures out a confirmed townie and ends up with him getting shot. B. We lose a vigi shot early with the opportunity cost of getting a better shot later on. C. Vigis get 2 shots, so even if Dayvig dies, it's not a confirmed townie that dies, but a confirmed blue. D. Instead of ending up with 3 greens dead if mafia stacks, we end up with 2 greens dead and 1 blue dead. Much worse. So what does this effectively do? Lure out a blue for mafia to kill! Why would Sandroba suggest such a plan then! Why was I stupid enough to support it? Because I was stupid. I never mentioned JeeJee before... except in IRC and talking about it to TAA. Guess what? I also find Munk-E scummy but I've never mentioned him before in thread either. I don't post everything I think. | ||
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On August 04 2011 08:23 redFF wrote: Show nested quote + On August 04 2011 08:19 ghrur wrote: Redff: Yes, I understand lynching for information was bad. I was making the point that losing 3 townies is losing 3 townies until I realized day-vigis get 2 shots so we still effectively lose a vigi, and later shots are more accurate. Why did I change positions? I argued with DrH about this in Mafia IRC and reconsidered my position. Still supports the plan, but here he actually makes a nonsensical point. Nobody was suggesting the mafia would claim protecting someone and then shoot them instead... Neither was I... I was stating how fake-claims by mafia would hurt them under the plan... Like, do you not understand that that was a continuation of thought from what Curu said? >_> Also, you're tunneling by the third "point." Did you not read "looking back?" I re-evaluated my position. Would you like to hear why I realize it's a bad plan? A. It lures out a confirmed townie and ends up with him getting shot. B. We lose a vigi shot early with the opportunity cost of getting a better shot later on. C. Vigis get 2 shots, so even if Dayvig dies, it's not a confirmed townie that dies, but a confirmed blue. D. Instead of ending up with 3 greens dead if mafia stacks, we end up with 2 greens dead and 1 blue dead. Much worse. So what does this effectively do? Lure out a blue for mafia to kill! Why would Sandroba suggest such a plan then! Why was I stupid enough to support it? Because I was stupid. I never mentioned JeeJee before... except in IRC and talking about it to TAA. Guess what? I also find Munk-E scummy but I've never mentioned him before in thread either. I don't post everything I think. lol ur scum I got called scummy for talking about stuff on the public irc channel, your talking about all your reads in pms to a couple of people. that is scummy as fuck. Please post your thoughts on both JeeJee and Munk-E. you have 10 minutes because if you already talked about it to other then i assume you will be able to post about it.. What? I talked about it in the public IRC channel except for TAA whom i just talked in IRC privately. And to be honest, I don't really care. Lol. I'm not gonna bullshit an analysis in 10 minutes to protect you so you can tunnel me harder. | ||
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On August 04 2011 08:53 redFF wrote: alanismorisette: ghrur ur mafia too stfu [7:57pm] alanismorisette: post that analysis [7:57pm] alanismorisette: its not bullshit if you have already discussed it with people [7:57pm] alanismorisette: just post what you talked about with them [7:57pm] alanismorisette: quick! [7:57pm] ghrur: It's been past 10 minutes [7:57pm] ghrur: My deadline is gone [7:58pm] ghrur: and I wanna play basketball [7:58pm] alanismorisette: ... [7:58pm] ghrur: Besides, I already said [7:58pm] chaos13 joined the chat room. [7:58pm] ghrur: I didn't save the chat log [7:58pm] alanismorisette: doesnt matter [7:58pm] ghrur: Ask TAA if he has it [7:58pm] alanismorisette: just post the gist of ur position on them [7:58pm] alanismorisette: easy [7:58pm] alanismorisette: just do that for me [7:58pm] ghrur: Sure, I'll do it [7:58pm] ghrur: But I'd rather play basketball [7:58pm] alanismorisette: ... [7:58pm] ghrur: I'll post it afterwards kay? [7:58pm] alanismorisette: do it please [7:58pm] alanismorisette: no [7:58pm] alanismorisette: now [7:58pm] ghrur: No, real life > mafia [7:58pm] alanismorisette: im sorry but everyone is seeing this right [7:59pm] alanismorisette: it will take [7:59pm] alanismorisette: like 5 minutes [7:59pm] alanismorisette: dude [7:59pm] youngmin: i'm laughing my ass off [7:59pm] alanismorisette: you could have finished it by now [7:59pm] ghrur: ??? YM? [7:59pm] ghrur: Cya later [7:59pm] ghrur: <3 [7:59pm] alanismorisette: but instead you are gonna go think about it [7:59pm] ghrur: I'll post it after [7:59pm] youngmin: lolololol [7:59pm] alanismorisette: then post it [7:59pm] alanismorisette: ... [7:59pm] ghrur: Yes, I didn't need to think about my defense [7:59pm] ghrur: <3 [7:59pm] ghrur: Cya [8:00pm] alanismorisette: ... fuck this guy HAHAHAHAHAHA, sorry red. xD No, I really did go play basketball, hahaha. I didn't mean any ill will. Hahahaha. I'm glad YM had a good laugh though. Besides, 10 minutes had passed and nothing happened. Anyway, down to business. Why Munk-E? + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler [monk-e's analysis] + On August 03 2011 07:21 Munk-E wrote: Below is some analysis of varpulis' posts i'll do more people later. Show nested quote + Alright guys, it's game on. I'd like to start with a suggestion. It's very basic, but very vital. Vig's, be you day or night, holster your gun and try to ignore the itch of your trigger finger. This holds true in every game, but it's especially important in this one. Look at the role list, and see how much kp we potentially have in the game. Every vig role has two shots, half of them can shoot during the day. That's a lot of kp that will be a lot more useful later on. Dayvigs: If you must shoot, claim and let us discuss. If you're willing to shoot, make sure that you've got approval from the town. Gut shots are wrong as often as they're right. Hatters: You guys are special, because even if the scumbag mafia doesn't kill you, your bob-ombs will still go off. You also can't move them, so I don't think it's a smart idea to place them from the get go. Wait a day/night cycle, at least. It's for the good of everybody. With that said, let's get to the game and kill us some scum. As an aside, i'm currently very dissapointed that Kurumi didn't give me my favorite class, though I guess it can't be helped, he wasn't in the game anyways. Here he says to not shoot day 1, unless you want to that is, then just reveal your plan forcing you to shoot anyways because you're gonna die, because you revealed your role. I don't see his opinion, because he keeps changing it in this post. at the beginning he says to not shoot, as always and it is especially important in this game, followed by him saying it's okay for dayvigs to shoot. Furthermore he tells them to claim before shooting! Claiming is a death sentence, and it means they'd have to shoot to take people down with them, because they're gonna die anyway. As an aside, does anyone know what his favorite role is? Show nested quote + My only real qualm about the plan is the possibility of 2 dead townies day 1, but I don't see a huge problem with setting up a town circle around a confirmed dayvig. People shouldn't be expecting shitloads of blues though. If we have a medic, which we might not, (21 players, remember) they will be tied up making sure the only confirmed player doesn't kick the bucket. Nothing should be shared in IRC that would not be shared in thread, by the way. If our confirmed town wants to direct blues or if people want to claim to him, do it in PMs, for the love of god, and don't start talking in thread or irc like you're a confirmed blue. The only one who should know is the confirmed townie. Information leaks kills blues in PM games. Should we use the plan, I suggest a very simple system: vote normally. Whoever has the most votes dies. So, here he fully supports the plan again despite his own extra important rule of not shooting day 1. He first says no shooting, then says maybe IF you make sure your going to get yourself killed, and finally now he's all for it! Show nested quote + Anybody who is publicly known to be controlling the blues/leading the town is going to get shot eventually, especially if they've got kp. I'll eat my hat if we've got more than 1 medic in a 20 player game. Here he will eat his hat if his plan that he loves so much which goes against his extra important rule actually works... Show nested quote + hmm, it's a good point actually. A serious question: Do you guys think we'll have a better chance of killing scum if we do this day 1? If we can kill scum it's worth it (durr) but otherwise I have a safer suggestion: Why don't we wait until there are only 2 mafia left. That way they can't doublestack and we don't lose a blue role night 1. this is after being asked why he likes the plan after he gave his own piece of evidence against it (above)! He gives no answer. Instead, he reverts to a compromise of his beloved plan. and no varpulis, it's a 20% chance. I'm not willing to take that risk, especially because it's roughly the same odds we'll hit a blue. Show nested quote + I'm fairly sure that i'm not scum, unless I have a serious problem with reading pms. RedFF I'm not so sure on. I'm leaning scum because he started off his "no plan" campaign without evidence or an argument, and then just picked up DrH's and copied it, it seems. That said, I don't disagree with DrH. Our confirmed townie will be dead night 1, and we'll be back to square one, possibly with 2 dead townies. Again, the plan is really good, but only if we wait for mafia to not have enough kp to override the medic protect we will most likely be able to slap on the confirmed townie. To address Mig's accusation: In irc sandroba didn't explain his plan entirely. I read it as "double lynch day 1" period. That in itself is very bad. The good part of the plan is the confirmed townie. When he posted and explained that point, It sounded good. Then I realized that mafia can double stack and just kill the confirmed townie, it sounded bad again, until i figured out a solution. Is there a real reason that we need to use the plan right now? With patience, it will work better, i guarantee. Here his is accusing redff for taking the position of the argument HE'S taking! (Maybe he lost track by now!) It seems like he's just trying to accuse someone for the sake of accusing! Wishy-washy doesn't even begin to explain this. He just won't make up his mind! While I'm not sure this indicates him 100% as being scum, it is VERY suspicious. Unfortunately however, I don't think it's possible to brand him as scum from JUST this. but he's certainly quite possibly scum. + Show Spoiler [missed post] + On August 03 2011 07:34 Lucidity wrote: I think you missed one of Varpulis' important posts Munk-E: Show nested quote + On August 03 2011 03:23 Varpulis wrote: On August 03 2011 02:43 Mig wrote: Varp every post you make screams wishy washy to me. Where is the confident Varpulis I have played with in the past? Every opinion you give you list the pros and cons and then you end up taking a pretty neutral stance. I haven't seen you have a strong opinion of anything yet. If you had to vote for someone right now who would it be for and why? Do you find anyone besides red scummy? I got called out for wishy washiness in PTP (day 1) as well. Day 1 nothing is solid, there's rarely anything to base arguments off of until late in the day, and I'm usually focused on proving my activity, not calling people scum. I haven't taken a stance because I don't have a really strong feeling about anybody yet. By the way, if we're going ahead with the plan, could we have a soldier/sniper claim? If there are none we need to reevaluate. Well, in his analysis of Varpulis, notice first that he misses an important post which Lucidity points out. He seemed to be doing a post-by-post style analysis (which btw, is bad), yet misses that important post? Why? To hid Varpulis's scumminess. To be nicer to his teammate. Also notice in this analysis how adamant he is with the attack on Varpulis. He uses multiple exclamation points, capitalization for emphasis, and even calls him VERY suspicious. BUT WAIT! He backs out of it. Notice: I'm not sure this indicates him 100% as being scum but he's certainly quite possibly scum. Certainly quite possibly scum. LOL. I have never seen more wishy-washyness than that. Hahaha, god. That's just backing out of it completely man. Oh, and notice how there's no vote until nearly the end of the day, probably to bus. Oh, and he never votes in the voting thread (booooooooooo). Now, on Munk-E's next analysis, his style totally changes! Someone in Loonybin pointed this out: Munk-E's posts go like this - 1. Stuff about plan. 2. Play-by-play "analysis" 3. Normal, concise analysis. How does one person's posting style change that much? I don't know, seems like he has a team behind him. Look at his arguments as well. Are they new? Are they original? Or are they just parroting OriginalName? Yeah, they're just parroting ON's analysis that Varp was wishy-washy. Note this remark too. On August 04 2011 03:53 Munk-E wrote:He seems VERY eager to get everyone's opinion on everyone, he PMed me asking my opinion on chaos and varp, to which i responded blandly and generically. I don't get why that's bad. It's good that Mig is trying to get people's opinions out and into the open. It's also good that he's pressuring people and using PMs well. Calling that scummy is just trying to stifle PMs and opinions.On August 04 2011 03:53 Munk-E wrote:I don't see why activity is a "town" thing to do. and why lurking is a mafia thing really, especially if being a lurker makes them suspected as being mafia. (Meta, huh?) Anyway, i might vote for him depending on if i think lucidity is more scummy or not Activity is of course good for town because this means we get more to analyze. Stifling activity and supporting lurking is just trying to ruin the town atmosphere. Mig did nothing wrong, even with his words, yet he's attacking him randomly. Why? Why is he also jumping from person to person and throwing out random accusations that don't even make sense? Why doesn't h vote for either of the people he analyzed? To get the town in chaos. To get votes off of Varpulis. Also, if he suspected Lucidity, why doesn't he analyze HIM instead? Now, keep this in mind when you read this: On August 04 2011 06:33 Munk-E wrote: TBH, It would have been a toss up between varp and lucid for me, but I haven't done proper analysis of lucid, so voting for him would look VERY suspicious. I think both are scum anyway. Where is Mig in this equation? Why wouldn't he mention Mig if he did a full blown analysis calling him suspicious? That makes no sense... unless he did it just to seem town. If he found Lucid suspicious, he should've analyzed Lucidity first instead of going after Mig. Unless he's just trying to cast doubt, out one of our top scumhunters, seem town in the process through analysis posts, and end up not voting for them until the end of the day. :/ Yeah, seems about right. Now, onto JeeJee. + Show Spoiler + On August 03 2011 01:41 JeeJee wrote: pressure votes are stupid, where did this trend come from? you know when you say "yeah this is a pressure vote", that's pretty much equivalent to "idk who to vote so i'm voting you, but i'm not actually suspicious of you because all you need to do is say something and i'll remove my vote from you". nobody can seriously feel threatened from a pressure vote, so there's no 'pressure' it's just a throwaway vote Okay, this post was stupid. yes, pressure votes are bad. No, you do not need to point them out. If the person being pressured doesn't know this, they might slip up. Now that he knows this, the chances are lessened. Why would you post this? It provides no benefit to town, and only serves to help mafia. I'm not arguing against the logic here, but the purpose. It serves no good purpose. i see re-evaluation there, not wishy-washiness. do you see otherwise? random fos are just as useless as pressure votes. sandro and varp are both bad in that department as far as i'm concerned. by itself though, it doesn't mean much, and there's nothing else yet. as for me, i don't have scum leanings on anyone. town leans yes, scum leans no. Defense of Varp, and aside from that, no information really. I mean, he seems to suspect YM at this point, but doesn't say anything about it. Not even a scum lean? Really? Hmmmmm, Idk. still not voting, but i'll be here before the deadline tomorrow, no worries. Wishy washyyyyyyyyyyy. Yeah... why would you call someone scum and then not vote? I don't know. On August 03 2011 12:42 JeeJee wrote: actually screw it let's get the ball rolling. anyone disagree with drazerk as a candidate? Why would you ask if other people disagree? Who cares if other people disagree? You still push them anyway. They'll voice their disagreements anyway. Do you need town's permission or something? No! So why all the caution? Serves no purpose. On August 04 2011 05:14 JeeJee wrote: i still think the case against varp is terrible. it's pretty much equivalent to redff's case, which is equally bad. drazerk is still deliberately avoiding this thread while posting in others but sadly not enough people care. seems to be off to a wonderful start. This is just saying, yes, you lynched a mafia, but you're still not off to a good start. It doesn't mean much. Well, why wouldn't it? We lynched scum, we have voting records, and we have defenses. He defended Varp. He's trying to justify it in this post. He's trying to throw off suspicion. I don't like it. He also shifts the attention off the Varp lynch and onto Drazerk again. Why do that? The lynch means a lot since a red just died. Focus on it. :/ Seems like he's throwing doubt around with that remark. | ||
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On August 04 2011 11:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote: really you pick munke over sevryn or bc Idk what BC's up to to be honest. | ||
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On August 04 2011 11:43 redFF wrote: Ghrur then goes on to do a pbpa on jeejee ??? It wasn't post by post... | ||
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On August 04 2011 11:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On August 04 2011 11:37 ghrur wrote: On August 04 2011 11:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote: really you pick munke over sevryn or bc Idk what BC's up to to be honest. so weak Well, it's true, lol. Like, I haven't even PMed the guy yet. On August 04 2011 11:45 JeeJee wrote: oh ghrur you're so amusing. i'd do a rebuttal but everything you wrote is so pointless, it works as its own rebuttal! hurrah. Ty, ty. *bow* I try. | ||
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On August 04 2011 11:54 redFF wrote: btw so ghrur lied about playing basketball so he could have time to make up fos's on 2 people he told me he had fos's of already. RIIIIIIIIIGHT Okay, now it's just getting retarded. | ||
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On August 04 2011 22:29 TheAwesomeAll wrote: cb and jeejee could both be scum, this is chaos 13 Show nested quote + On August 03 2011 06:42 chaos13 wrote: On August 03 2011 06:28 youngminii wrote: nah i was just kidding Anyway, I'd rather Mig die than Lucidity/Varpulis. I dunno, the latter two just seem so.. Normal? While Mig is screaming "I'M SCUM". Maybe it's just me. What is Mig doing? He is scumhunting. I would not be okay with a lynch on Mig unless he makes some sort of blatantly obvious scum slip. Lucidity and Varpulis are being far more scummy than Mig is. protecting mig (might be a scum hug of dead) Show nested quote + On August 03 2011 09:22 chaos13 wrote: On August 03 2011 07:21 Munk-E wrote: Below is some analysis of varpulis' posts i'll do more people later. Don't forget about this. I really hate when players say they will and then fail to contribute, because then I have to get them lynched. They're usually scum though, so it works out well in the end. fossing for very weak reasons Show nested quote + On August 03 2011 21:14 chaos13 wrote: On August 03 2011 21:09 youngminii wrote: I'm sticking to Varp. If he flips scum then BC/JeeJee should be looked at for a weird chainsaw defence. The attack on Drazerk was a bit unnecessary and looks as if they wanted to shift attention away from Varp without attacking Lucidity. Mentioned this on IRC already but might as well post it here too. Nothing is concrete though. This is quite possible, and Varp is looking really really bad right about now. On a scum scale I would put Varp and Drazerk at the same level, but there is one difference: Varp is relatively active, whereas Drazerk has managed to come across as scum in 4 posts and then vanished completely. Varp tomorrow, or maybe a vig hit on him tonight. Today I feel better voting for Draz for very weak reasons voting on drazerk, a trend weve been seeing with all scummy people. Imo chaos is very likely scum. He hasnt formed a real opinion the whole game the 2 people he accused were munk e for not delivering and drazerk for lurking. Also there was a logical flaw in why he accused drazerk namely that people thought he drazerk scum because of the lurking, but chaos went a step further by saying drazerk is scum BECAUSE hes lurking AND hes lurking on top of that so he was more scummy then varp. ( he counted the lurking twice) imo there is a clear line between jee jee and chaos, both calling out drazerk for lurking. Its their talking point. If there are vigis in the house hit one of those two, you cant miss. You know, at first, Chaos's posts seemed okay, but that last post you quoted along with this: On August 03 2011 22:02 chaos13 wrote: No, something doesn't sit right with me about Drazerk. Read over some of his past stuff and he's usually quite active as scum. He may disappear for a while, but when he's around, he posts a lot. Varp doesn't fit his meta this time. As someone already mentioned, he's usually very confident with his opinions, but this time he's really being wishy-washy. I'm gonna have to go with Varpulis here, and hope I'm not making a mistake. I'm not a fan of Munk-E either. Remember earlier when he promised to post some analysis on more players? Still haven't seen it. If we had more time I would make a case against him for today, but there is no point bringing in another suspect this late in the day. Make him seem really fish. He said he was going to go with Varp, but he never did. He also seems really hesitant about voting varp. "Hope I'm not hiding a mistake." Townies shouldn't feel that careful about making a mistake, especially since everything was pretty much decided by then. He also calls him out for being wishy-washy, against meta, and scummy. Meanwhile, he says Drazerk's meta doesn't fit his scum. Idk why a vote wasn't placed on Varp by him unless he is scum. | ||
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On August 06 2011 02:37 Lucidity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 06 2011 01:32 Curu wrote: On August 06 2011 01:31 Lucidity wrote: That's simply not true. He "breadcrumbs" that he's going to kill X. X dies. Mafia killed X -.- Then there's only 2 KP in the night and he's not confirmed Vig. Herp. Not true. Another Vig could have killed a 3rd player. Scum/Vigs could hit a Vet/Med protected player etc. The fact is there are too many variables to confirm the player at night. But MAFIA can't rely on that. Have you forgotten the beginning of Curu's argument? Mafia wouldn't fake-claim Vig without being pressured because they cannot RELY on creating a third KP. It would be too dangerous. Oh, and if they hit a vet/med prot, then the hit person claims and the KPs add up. You're also forgetting the fact that if Mig is red, then he'd die the next day and force the mafia down to 1 KP. So they'll have 1 KP to kill, idk, maybe 2 blues? It's horrible for mafia whatever alignment Mig is. | ||
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Oh, and JeeJee, it's about 21 hours past the current day. Is it time to weigh in yet? | ||
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On August 06 2011 11:19 youngminii wrote: ok so when jeejee flips green can we kill bc? You do realize no matter what he flips we're going to kill you right? Like, how can any townie be so sure of another person's role/alignment so as to say he'll DT check green and flip green? At best, it's mafia trying to gain town cred. At worst, it's just mafia trying to protect the godfather. | ||
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On August 03 2011 21:09 youngminii wrote: I'm sticking to Varp. If he flips scum then BC/JeeJee should be looked at for a weird chainsaw defence. The attack on Drazerk was a bit unnecessary and looks as if they wanted to shift attention away from Varp without attacking Lucidity. Mentioned this on IRC already but might as well post it here too. Nothing is concrete though. Oh right, nothing is concrete. AKA scum being wishy-washy. | ||
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On August 06 2011 12:01 redFF wrote: Show nested quote + On August 06 2011 12:00 redFF wrote: On August 06 2011 11:34 ghrur wrote: On August 06 2011 11:19 youngminii wrote: ok so when jeejee flips green can we kill bc? You do realize no matter what he flips we're going to kill you right? Like, how can any townie be so sure of another person's role/alignment so as to say he'll DT check green and flip green? At best, it's mafia trying to gain town cred. At worst, it's just mafia trying to protect the godfather. no... to elaborate this post seems like "if he flips green we will mislynch again!" To clarify, my post was saying YM is acting suspicious as hell with his absolute sureness that GG will be green. On August 06 2011 11:54 youngminii wrote: by green i mean town, it's not that hard to work out honestly all i see is a mob mentality where people are going after person after person if jeejee flips red well then i'm fucked Show nested quote + On August 06 2011 11:34 ghrur wrote: On August 06 2011 11:19 youngminii wrote: ok so when jeejee flips green can we kill bc? You do realize no matter what he flips we're going to kill you right? Like, how can any townie be so sure of another person's role/alignment so as to say he'll DT check green and flip green? At best, it's mafia trying to gain town cred. At worst, it's just mafia trying to protect the godfather. when i said that i said IF IF IF IF god some of you people.. Don't even try to play semantics. This is pathetic. Allow me to quote you. On August 05 2011 10:21 youngminii wrote: If you are the DT and you checked JeeJee who turned out green, claim to Mig right away who should then post this in the thread, whereupon we lynch TAA/BC. Now, in normal English, the if applies to two actions: Whether or not the person is a DT Whether or not the specified person checked JeeJee. Nowhere do you give the possibility of GG turning anything but green. You didn't say, "If he happened to turn green" or "were he to turn green" or "should he turn green." No, you said if you check JeeJee, he turned green. That's DEFINITE. Also, you said WHEN JeeJee flips green, not IF JeeJee flips green. So let me ask, what makes you so sure that JeeJee was green when you said he should be suspected when Varp turned red along with BC? | ||
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Also, Mig, GG said he sent you some town leans and PMs. Would you mind posting those? | ||
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Did something really just happen that quickly? ARG. >_< | ||
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On August 08 2011 08:42 redFF wrote: Yup so here's a question. If Munk-e was scum for claiming vet and it was unreasonable there were 5 vets when munk-e was alive. How come now hes dead and flipped vet are we not looking at the other claimed vets. And before you say they counterclaimed jeejee, no they didnt. Jeejee claimed medic, not vet. So from a mafia perspective claiming vet/medic would have been fine. I'd like to ask that we dont majority lynch again, as it leaves us with very little vote discussion. This game is not as won as some of you may think. I agree with red here. What's the reason for Syllo being confirmed Vet? But whatevs, it's night. Let's see what happens. | ||
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On August 08 2011 08:52 redFF wrote: Has anyone claimed being blocked today? Yeah, BC has claimed roleblocked. | ||
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On another note, where did Drazerk disappear to? | ||
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On August 09 2011 03:46 Sevryn wrote: They can't double stack real vets... and they wont shoot their own. Roleblock + shoot is as good as double stack on real vets. Also, why not Mig or DrH or BC? Why're we voting this fast? The point of a lynch is supposed to be to gather information. I understand we all think YM's scum, but clearly Mafia has been talking actively about their hits considering the length of nights. We should do the same. My top suspects right now are, in order: Lucid/YM/severyn. | ||
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On August 09 2011 04:04 Mig wrote: Sevryn is someone we could consider. He has the connection to trotske day 1. He pushed for draz with jeejee. And the timing is weird. He doesn't post at all but he appears right after both day posts. Not to mention he tried to cast doubt on DrH, seems defensive, and pulls the "You'll be sorry after I die" card as a defense. | ||
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On August 09 2011 09:58 Sevryn wrote: Can we slow down on the lynches? even if we know who we are going to lynch we get alot more information in letting them defend themselves letting others defend them. let alone accusing someone else if they are not longer the scummiest. The problem was YM didn't even care to defend himself. | ||
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On August 09 2011 23:43 Sevryn wrote: who has claimed to be Roleblocked by the second RBer. is there a chance they dont have one and thats why they are not killing the vets? Read the IRC convo? So far it's guessed that they're stacking RB+Hit so they can essentially 1shot anyone they want. | ||
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[12:56] <BloodyC0bbler> hes playing like his retarded medic action [12:56] <BloodyC0bbler> in AA [12:56] <Lucidity> in AA he was active in IRC at least [12:56] <Lucidity> so far he's been avoiding questions [12:56] <Lucidity> on IRC [12:56] <Lucidity> and completely afk in thread [12:56] <BloodyC0bbler> everyone avoids questions [12:57] <BloodyC0bbler> bartundar has [12:57] <BloodyC0bbler> ym was [12:57] <BloodyC0bbler> red was [12:57] <BloodyC0bbler> chaos is [12:57] <BloodyC0bbler> fuck drH lu rked irc all yesterday [12:57] <BloodyC0bbler> and never responded once [12:57] <Lucidity> so you think drazerk is more town? [12:57] <BloodyC0bbler> going "this person is scummy for lurking" isnt enough [12:57] <BloodyC0bbler> i think hes disinterested town [12:57] <BloodyC0bbler> could I be wrong? yes [12:58] <BloodyC0bbler> analysis is extremely hard [12:58] <BloodyC0bbler> when people jus toutright [12:58] <BloodyC0bbler> refuse to talk [12:58] <Lucidity> which is why policy lynches should become standard [12:58] <Lucidity> until it's gone from TL [12:58] <Lucidity> -_- [12:58] <Lucidity> Kenpachi is also "confirmed town" apparently [12:58] <Lucidity> he has 0 posts [12:59] <Lucidity> in lylo we're fucked [12:59] <Lucidity> nothing to analyse [12:59] <BloodyC0bbler> yea [12:59] <BloodyC0bbler> =\ [12:59] <BloodyC0bbler> and then we have people [12:59] <BloodyC0bbler> idling in here [12:59] <Lucidity> btw [12:59] <Lucidity> why do you think Kenpachi is town? [12:59] <BloodyC0bbler> not talking [12:59] <BloodyC0bbler> -_- [13:00] <BloodyC0bbler> roba seemed it [13:00] <BloodyC0bbler> lol [13:00] <Lucidity> I'm always on IRC, but often afk [13:00] <BloodyC0bbler> its the only reason hes viewed as town [13:00] <Lucidity> don't think that means much [13:00] <Lucidity> but drazerk will be here [13:00] <Lucidity> and actively avoid q's [13:00] <BloodyC0bbler> lucidity [13:00] <BloodyC0bbler> drH was on most of yesterday [13:00] <BloodyC0bbler> and never responded [13:00] <BloodyC0bbler> he would leave [13:00] <BloodyC0bbler> rejoin [13:00] <BloodyC0bbler> and lurk again [13:00] <Lucidity> were the leaves timeouts? [13:00] <Lucidity> because it could just be autorejoin ;p [13:01] <BloodyC0bbler> nah [13:01] <BloodyC0bbler> also, one reason I view draz as town [13:01] <Curu> BC [13:01] <BloodyC0bbler> is because night 1 [13:01] <Curu> you said lurking is not a reason to call someomne scum [13:01] <Curu> but isnt that the major basis of your case against syllo [13:01] <BloodyC0bbler> no [13:01] <BloodyC0bbler> syllo has been "active" [13:01] <BloodyC0bbler> outside thread [13:02] <BloodyC0bbler> but hes never pushed anyone [13:02] <BloodyC0bbler> or stood a strong ground [13:02] <BloodyC0bbler> on anything [13:02] <BloodyC0bbler> jeejee was lynched because mig viewed me as more town [13:02] <BloodyC0bbler> than jeejee [13:02] <BloodyC0bbler> but had huge doubts on me [13:03] <ghrur> Okay, so we have another day, good [13:03] <Lucidity> sigh [13:03] <Lucidity> active in PMs [13:03] <Lucidity> worst [13:03] <BloodyC0bbler> like [13:03] <Lucidity> I wish TL had a constant stream of Minis [13:03] <Lucidity> with closed or semi-open setup [13:03] <BloodyC0bbler> jeejee was defending me and drH [13:03] <Lucidity> F11 [13:03] <BloodyC0bbler> via pm's to mig [13:03] <Lucidity> and no PMs [13:03] <Lucidity> i'd only play those t_T [13:03] <@Palmar> yo bc [13:04] <BloodyC0bbler> ? [13:04] <@Palmar> doing my 2000 post thing [13:04] <ON|FF6> What did you guys think [13:04] <ON|FF6> of [13:04] <ON|FF6> Syllos in thread posts [13:04] <ON|FF6> last night [13:04] <@Palmar> I need to characterize ace/ver/qatol [13:04] <ON|FF6> They seemed really generic to me [13:04] <@Palmar> I don't know these guys well enough [13:04] <BloodyC0bbler> they were talking policy [13:04] <Lucidity> How'd you go from [13:04] <Lucidity> Given the level of inactivity I'm for offing kenpachi for generally being useless or RL unless someone throws up compelling analysis on either target. [13:04] <ON|FF6> They talked policy [13:04] <Lucidity> to [13:04] <Lucidity> Kenpachi is town? [13:05] <Lucidity> @BC [13:05] <ON|FF6> for the record [13:05] <ghrur> Yeah, they were generalities [13:05] <ON|FF6> i was talking with Ghrur in PMs [13:05] <ON|FF6> and i thought Kenpachi should be looked at again [13:05] <BloodyC0bbler> roba basically looked town lucidity [13:05] <ghrur> yup, confirmed [13:05] <ON|FF6> we have so many people [13:05] <BloodyC0bbler> its all thats kept him off [13:05] <ON|FF6> flying under the radar [13:05] <BloodyC0bbler> radars [13:05] <Lucidity> but [13:06] <Lucidity> He replaced roba [13:06] <ghrur> and the fact that he claimed RB [13:06] <Lucidity> You then thought he was scummy [13:06] <Lucidity> and now you think he's town [13:06] <Lucidity> so the logical progression doesn't make sense [13:06] <ON|FF6> He got RBed [13:06] <BloodyC0bbler> what? [13:06] <ON|FF6> N1 [13:06] <ON|FF6> and i dont think [13:06] <ON|FF6> BC ever said he was scum [13:06] <BloodyC0bbler> kenpachi is lurking [13:06] <Lucidity> Let BC defend himself t_t [13:06] <BloodyC0bbler> its hard to analyze [13:06] <ON|FF6> w/e [13:06] <BloodyC0bbler> lurkers [13:06] <BloodyC0bbler> -_- [13:06] <ON|FF6> im just saying lucid [13:06] <ON|FF6> you need to get your facts straight [13:06] <syllogism> oh i didn't realize his vote on varpulis was a "pressure vote", that's funny [13:06] <ON|FF6> before accusing at this point [13:06] <ON|FF6> oh [13:06] <ON|FF6> Kenpachis was? [13:06] <Lucidity> erm [13:06] <ON|FF6> really? [13:06] <Lucidity> BC said "LYNCH KENPACHI" [13:07] <ON|FF6> ... [13:07] <BloodyC0bbler> when he lied? [13:07] <BloodyC0bbler> in thread [13:07] <BloodyC0bbler> lawl [13:07] <ON|FF6> Oh [13:07] <ON|FF6> that [13:07] <ON|FF6> uh [13:07] <ON|FF6> its called [13:07] <ON|FF6> a joke [13:07] <Lucidity> and afterwards [13:07] <ON|FF6> because kenpachi [13:07] <Lucidity> you said he was lurking [13:07] <ON|FF6> is a liablitily half the time [13:07] <Lucidity> and sueless [13:07] <Lucidity> useless * [13:07] <Lucidity> t_t [13:07] <ON|FF6> for the record [13:07] <BloodyC0bbler> kenpachi [13:07] <ghrur> Kenpachi isn't a liability until it gets to lylo [13:07] <BloodyC0bbler> tends to be useless [13:07] <BloodyC0bbler> like [13:07] <BloodyC0bbler> ym [13:07] <ON|FF6> if we were to lynch the entire town on uselessness [13:07] <Lucidity> I don't disagree [13:07] <ON|FF6> we would be doomed [13:08] <ON|FF6> thats the fact of life [13:08] <BloodyC0bbler> like, redff [13:08] <ON|FF6> at the moment [13:08] <Lucidity> But you went from being pro-lynch to pro-town on him [13:08] <BloodyC0bbler> was useless [13:08] <BloodyC0bbler> but shot [13:08] <Lucidity> with nothing changing [13:08] <Lucidity> because your reasoning that he's town is that sandroba looked town [13:08] <ghrur> redFF ws useless but at least he SEEMED town [13:08] <Lucidity> so that doesn't add up imo [13:08] <BloodyC0bbler> and my reasoning for wanting to off kenpachi was his "im green guys" [13:08] <ghrur> The worse are Lucid/Sevryn/Chaos/TAA who all look like possible scum >_> [13:08] <BloodyC0bbler> which he claims [13:08] <BloodyC0bbler> every game [13:09] <Lucidity> your first reply to that looked like a joke [13:09] <Lucidity> but then you made a 2nd post BC [13:09] <Lucidity> Where you advocated his lynch again [13:09] <BloodyC0bbler> i prefer policy shots but no dts yo [13:09] <BloodyC0bbler> besides, no one in their right mind [13:09] <BloodyC0bbler> would rb kenpachi [13:09] <ON|FF6> yeah [13:09] <ON|FF6> that seemed kinda off [13:09] <ON|FF6> like their shots [13:10] <ON|FF6> all seemed off [13:10] <ON|FF6> ._. [13:10] <ON|FF6> I actually think the scumteam is kinda newby [13:10] <ON|FF6> and dont know some of the older players enough [13:10] <Lucidity> The RB was probably due to sandroba [13:10] <ON|FF6> to know kenpachis meta and stuff [13:10] <Curu> i ti\hink trying to read into the night actions is mostly wifom [13:10] <Lucidity> they thought he was vig [13:10] <ON|FF6> it is [13:10] <Curu> none of it makes much sense [13:10] <ON|FF6> but its something [13:10] <Lucidity> but ye [13:10] <ON|FF6> well [13:10] <ON|FF6> we could discuss [13:10] <ON|FF6> who to lynch today [13:10] <ON|FF6> i know curu wants chaos gone [13:10] <ON|FF6> I wouldnt mind offing him [13:11] <ghrur> no disagreement here [13:11] <BloodyC0bbler> chaos seems off [13:11] <BloodyC0bbler> seems fine [13:11] <ghrur> bc spreading doubt like a boss [13:11] <Lucidity> BC is scum [13:11] <Lucidity> ON [13:11] <BloodyC0bbler> -_- [13:12] <Lucidity> was your case vs me in thread serious btw? [13:12] <BloodyC0bbler> BC would prefer [13:12] <ON|FF6> No [13:12] <ON|FF6> I was drunk [13:12] <BloodyC0bbler> taa/syllo [13:12] <Lucidity> i figured [13:12] <ON|FF6> and mad [13:12] <Lucidity> rofl [13:12] <ON|FF6> lol [13:12] <ON|FF6> I was really mad last night [13:12] <ghrur> drunk? [13:12] <ON|FF6> i had a few drinks [13:12] <ON|FF6> more like buzzed [13:12] <ON|FF6> my relatives are over [13:12] <ON|FF6> so yeah [13:13] <ON|FF6> I dont know [13:13] <ON|FF6> what to thiiiiink [13:13] <ON|FF6> everyone is scummmmmy [13:13] <ON|FF6> except like [13:13] <ON|FF6> 2 people [13:13] <ON|FF6> maybe 3 [13:13] <ON|FF6> or 4 [13:13] <ON|FF6> fuck [13:13] <Lucidity> I'm the only non-scummy one [13:13] <Lucidity> imo [13:13] <BloodyC0bbler> lawl [13:13] <ON|FF6> You me [13:13] <Curu> lol. [13:13] <Lucidity> ;p [13:13] <ON|FF6> maybe ghrur [13:13] <ON|FF6> maybe curu [13:13] <ON|FF6> BC is a coin-flip lynch [13:14] <ON|FF6> not a good one [13:14] <BloodyC0bbler> BC was willing to be lynched [13:14] <BloodyC0bbler> if syllo flipped town [13:14] <ON|FF6> Everyone is willing to be lynched this game [13:14] <BloodyC0bbler> *shrugs* [13:14] <ON|FF6> why the fuck [13:14] <Curu> and town should follow through with that [13:14] <Curu> if syllo flips town [13:14] <ON|FF6> do people want to be mislynched [13:14] <ON|FF6> ffs [13:14] <syllogism> bc do you really think i intentionally wasted a shot n1, knowing mig was a vet [13:14] <ON|FF6> its like [13:14] <ON|FF6> lolsorry gonna waste time [13:14] <ON|FF6> for fucks sake [13:14] <syllogism> and convinced the scum team [13:14] <BloodyC0bbler> syllo [13:14] <ON|FF6> play to fucking win [13:14] <syllogism> with jeeejee [13:14] <syllogism> to do that [13:14] <Lucidity> I wanted to be, because I was sure munk-e or YM were [13:14] <BloodyC0bbler> its all wifom [13:14] <Lucidity> scum [13:14] <syllogism> no it's not lol [13:14] <Lucidity> and after that you can lynch all vets to victory [13:14] <BloodyC0bbler> why? [13:14] <Lucidity> no matter the order [13:14] <BloodyC0bbler> I can tell you [13:15] <BloodyC0bbler> if I was red [13:15] <BloodyC0bbler> and had a vet claim [13:15] <BloodyC0bbler> is shoot him [13:15] <syllogism> because it's awful play, scum may do that but it's so bad that it's extremely unlikely [13:15] <BloodyC0bbler> id* [13:15] <BloodyC0bbler> just as if I knew of the fake med plan [13:15] <syllogism> do you thinkt he discussion with jeejee went like [13:15] <BloodyC0bbler> id fire into it [13:15] <syllogism> yo mig is a vet, lets shoot him [13:15] <syllogism> so i get town cred [13:15] <BloodyC0bbler> dude, you haven't pushed any lynch targets [13:15] <syllogism> and jeejee is like 2ok" [13:15] <BloodyC0bbler> or to my knowledge [13:15] <Lucidity> syllogism [13:15] <BloodyC0bbler> talked a ton about analysis and reads on anyone [13:16] <BloodyC0bbler> yet were confirmed [13:16] <Lucidity> If someone claimed vet to me as scum [13:16] <BloodyC0bbler> before anyone else was [13:16] <BloodyC0bbler> by mig [13:16] <Lucidity> I'd think it's another blue trying not to get hit [13:16] <Lucidity> ?_? [13:16] <Curu> what [13:16] <Curu> you just told me yesterday that if you were mafia [13:16] <Curu> you wouldnt touch that fakeclaim mess [13:16] <Curu> now youre saying youd fire into it? [13:16] <syllogism> Lucidity: well it's me and mig, we know each other [13:16] <BloodyC0bbler> if i knew of it curu [13:16] <syllogism> not some random claim [13:16] <BloodyC0bbler> id fire into it [13:16] <BloodyC0bbler> if i didnt [13:16] <BloodyC0bbler> id not touch it [13:16] <syllogism> and scum has 2 roleblockers [13:16] <Curu> you did know of it though [13:16] <BloodyC0bbler> if i was red and mig went sup [13:16] <Curu> you were part of it [13:16] <BloodyC0bbler> yes [13:16] <Curu> one of the fake medics [13:16] <BloodyC0bbler> but I'd have shot me [13:16] <BloodyC0bbler> not drH [13:16] <BloodyC0bbler> if i was red [13:16] <BloodyC0bbler> guy who takes the hit [13:17] <BloodyC0bbler> looks better [13:17] <BloodyC0bbler> than the roleblocked on [13:17] <syllogism> now that is wifom [13:17] <Curu> you also said you wouldnt shoot into it [13:17] <Curu> if you were red [13:17] <ghrur> Curu, stop [13:17] <BloodyC0bbler> IF i didnt know [13:17] <BloodyC0bbler> of the plan [13:17] <Curu> oh ok nevermind [13:17] <Lucidity> BC is being very inconsistent [13:17] <Curu> yeah [13:17] <BloodyC0bbler> ffs [13:17] <ghrur> you're misusing his words lol [13:17] <Lucidity> lol [13:17] <Curu> no, bad reading [13:17] <Curu> on my part [13:17] <Curu> he said if he wasnt in the circle [13:17] <Lucidity> BC didn't know of the plan night 1 though [13:17] <BloodyC0bbler> the fake med plan [13:17] <BloodyC0bbler> wasn ttill night 2 [13:18] <BloodyC0bbler> so thats a moot point [13:18] <BloodyC0bbler> mig talked about the fake med plan the moment jeejee claimed med [13:18] <BloodyC0bbler> which was after he had 3 vet claims [13:19] <Curu> a [13:19] <Lucidity> k [13:20] <BloodyC0bbler> -_- [13:22] <Curu> b [13:22] <BloodyC0bbler> the hell curu? [13:22] <MrWiggles> c [13:22] <Lucidity> he thinks he's timing out [13:22] <Lucidity> erm [13:22] <ghrur> nah, he's just checking his internet [13:22] <ghrur> see if it still works [13:22] <ghrur> btw, where did sevryn come from? [13:23] <Lucidity> too many lurkers have screwed us [13:23] <Lucidity> That's exactly what I said ghrur -.- [13:23] <BloodyC0bbler> in what way? [13:23] <Lucidity> we basically can't consider them for lynches [13:23] <BloodyC0bbler> also [13:23] <Lucidity> because we only have 3 left [13:23] <BloodyC0bbler> rebooting my net [13:23] <Lucidity> and we have more than 3 lurkers [13:23] <BloodyC0bbler> because its laming out [13:23] <Curu> sevyrn case [13:23] <Curu> was because [13:23] <Curu> sevyrn and trotske have the same ip [13:23] <Curu> suggesting roommates or brothers [13:23] <Lucidity> unless we get a RB and have vets alive [13:23] <Curu> which somewhat explains the trotske shot [13:24] <Curu> other than that its that hes totally useless [13:24] <Lucidity> drazerk/kenpachi fit that criteria better [13:25] <ghrur> they all fit [13:25] <Curu> like look [13:25] <Curu> sevyrns last post [13:25] <Curu> is just scummy too [13:25] <Lucidity> ye [13:25] <Curu> but you cant tell if its bad player [13:25] <Lucidity> that makes me suspect chaos less [13:25] <Lucidity> lol [13:25] <Curu> -.- [13:25] <ghrur> >_> [13:25] <Curu> or scum [13:26] <ghrur> I'd rather we lynch chaos today, then syllo/bc/DrH [13:27] <ghrur> but we have time now [13:27] <Lucidity> I'm not for a vet lynch today [13:27] <syllogism> if you think about the time line, i'm literally the worst lynch in the game, i don't see how you can't see it [13:28] <Lucidity> our best chance is to have vets late game and scum without rb [13:28] <Lucidity> I agree that you're the worst lynch of the vets [13:28] <Lucidity> i'd go for BC>drH [13:28] <Lucidity> but we need other candidates [13:29] <BloodyC0bbler> ffs, going to shower [13:33] <Curu> a [13:33] <ghrur> so syllo, if you want to push someone else [13:33] <ghrur> be my guest [13:34] <ghrur> Just make a case and post it in the thread [13:34] <ghrur> Otherwise, i'm all for trading you and BC 1:1 [13:35] <syllogism> Too much effort, go ahead, but let me point this out again [13:35] <syllogism> No scum team, especially one with a good player like jeejee, would agree to waste a shot on mig the veteran on n1 when scum have 2 RBs, just to earn one of their lesser known players some town cred. The fact town had just lynched scum makes it even more unlikely. [13:38] <alanismorisette> a [13:40] == ghrur has changed nick to afk_ghrur [13:49] <taa> what about this [13:49] <taa> redFF is scum [13:49] <syllogism> he is dead [13:49] <syllogism> and flipped town [13:49] <taa> he is? [13:49] <taa> hmm [13:50] <taa> I'd also like to apologize for my lack of activity. I've been really busy at work, and today was an especially long day. [13:50] <taa> while not being pressured [13:50] <taa> thats chaos [13:51] * alanismorisette is dead [13:51] <alanismorisette> but chaos has actually been redic busy latel [13:51] <alanismorisette> y [14:00] <Curu> too much effort [14:00] <Curu> wtf [14:00] <Curu> we already have one kenpachi syllo [14:00] <Curu> >.> [14:00] <taa> fuckballs [14:00] <taa> who is scum [14:00] <taa> chaos13 and sevryn [14:01] <taa> are the biggest candidates [14:01] <Curu> BC is convinced its syllo [14:01] <Curu> to the point he said lynch them both [14:03] <taa> hmm [14:03] <taa> syllo voted every day for the lynch [14:04] <Curu> i dont see syllo being scum [14:05] <Curu> so if we were to 1-1 i'd prefer to BC -> syllo [14:05] <Drazerk> Chaos - Luc - BC - severyn [14:05] <Drazerk> one of those 4 [14:05] <Curu> but chaos [14:05] <Curu> first and foremost [14:06] <Lucidity> leave the Vets for now [14:06] <taa> chaos and sev voted with jeejee day1 [14:06] <Drazerk> would prefer lucidity personally I just don't understand why scum attacked me over him [14:06] <Drazerk> bar the fact I was an easy target [14:06] <taa> every scum so far didnt vote draz day 1` [14:06] <Lucidity> I don't understand why you have 3 posts all game [14:06] <taa> bussed jeejee the next one [14:06] <taa> then [14:07] <taa> people [14:07] <ON|FF6> i voted chaos [14:07] <taa> barundar [14:07] <ON|FF6> im afk [14:08] <taa> BC [14:08] <taa> chaos and sevryn [14:08] <taa> voted along that pattern [14:08] <taa> those majority lynches are so bad for the town in retrospect [14:08] <Drazerk> aye [14:08] <taa> since it would be insane [14:08] <Curu> yeah we all got a bit cocky [14:08] <taa> for them to all 3 vote on draz day 1 [14:08] <taa> i think [14:08] <Drazerk> BC apposed my lynch [14:09] <Drazerk> really early on [14:09] <Drazerk> but then again [14:09] <Drazerk> so did YM [14:09] <taa> its chaos/sev and bc/barundar [14:09] <Drazerk> right [14:09] <Drazerk> I say we get chaos [14:09] <Drazerk> then luc or BC [14:10] <syllogism> barundar is pretty likely town [14:10] <Drazerk> aye I have a town read on him [14:10] <Drazerk> nothing he posts really strikes out for me [14:12] <Kurumi> omg [14:12] <Kurumi> Kradia is overpopulated [14:12] <Drazerk> also curu do we have an awesome rivalry now? [14:12] <Kurumi> and that fucking big bang update [14:12] <Kurumi> I am so confused [14:13] <Curu_> huh [14:13] <Curu_> rivalry? [14:13] <Drazerk> keep going after me ^^ [14:14] <Drazerk> what is the majority today? [14:14] <Curu_> i went after everyone not posting or being active [14:14] <Curu_> at all [14:15] <Drazerk> I like how you attacked kerpachi forgetting he subbed in for sand [14:15] <Curu_> so [14:15] <Curu_> that doesnt mean an excuse to not do anything [14:15] <Curu_> from day 1 onwards [14:16] <Drazerk> its kenpachi [14:16] <Drazerk> you have a better chance of me not going a game without fake role claiming [14:17] <Drazerk> 3 more votes for hammer time [14:18] <Curu_> dont hammer please [14:18] <Curu_> give chaos time to come into the thread [14:18] <Lucidity> we have 27 hours still [14:18] <Lucidity> why hammer [14:19] <Kurumi> damn [14:19] <Kurumi> no more turbolynching? [14:19] <Kurumi> aaah I was enjoying this [14:19] <Drazerk> I didn't say TO hammer lol - i just said how many votes until [14:19] <Drazerk> no [14:19] <Lucidity> I'm sure you've had quite a laugh Kurumi -_- [14:20] <Curu_> b [14:20] <taa> can i presume the mafia plays well [14:21] <taa> because if they did [14:21] <taa> there is no way sevryn is scum [14:21] <taa> he might be bad town [14:21] <taa> but he voted drazerk last second [14:21] <Drazerk> I pegged him as a bandwagon hero lol [14:21] <Curu_> i dont know what to make of the playstyles [14:21] <taa> why would he do that if varp was getting a guaranteed lynch? [14:21] <Curu_> i was sure ym couldnt be town [14:21] <taa> ym [14:21] <taa> took bad [14:21] <taa> to a whole new level [14:21] <Curu_> what kind of town says with certainty that godfather will reveal green to dt checks [14:22] <taa> lets not discuss him [14:22] <Drazerk> ever lol [14:23] <taa> bloody voted jee jee last second [14:23] <taa> which is interesting [14:23] <Curu_> one thing that bugs me about BC is he had 3 attempts to move off Varp [14:23] <Curu_> Drazerk, then Kenpachi, then JeeJee [14:23] <Curu_> granted last one was mafia [14:23] <BloodyC0bbler> taa [14:23] <BloodyC0bbler> your wrong about one thing [14:23] <BloodyC0bbler> its you/chaos/sev [14:23] <BloodyC0bbler> me/drh/syllo [14:24] <BloodyC0bbler> -_- [14:24] <Drazerk> BC just out right attacked Jeejee for lynching me [14:24] <BloodyC0bbler> curu [14:24] <taa> ? [14:24] <BloodyC0bbler> compare how I argued against jeejee [14:24] <BloodyC0bbler> and how i argued against draz and kenpachi [14:24] <BloodyC0bbler> you see the difference no? [14:24] <taa> i know i voted exactly like you [14:25] <taa> wait [14:25] <taa> what do you mean? [14:25] <Drazerk> reread day 1 [14:25] <taa> [21:23] <BloodyC0bbler> its you/chaos/sev [21:23] <BloodyC0bbler> me/drh/syllo [14:25] <taa> im on it [14:25] <taa> why? [14:25] <BloodyC0bbler> you and sev [14:25] <BloodyC0bbler> link to troske [14:25] <BloodyC0bbler> chaos for being scummy as hell [14:25] <BloodyC0bbler> however [14:25] <BloodyC0bbler> you also defended chaos [14:25] <BloodyC0bbler> day 1 [14:26] <BloodyC0bbler> which links you to him [14:26] <taa> i did? [14:26] <BloodyC0bbler> yes [14:26] <taa> the case against him [14:26] <taa> was probably very shitty [14:26] <BloodyC0bbler> or you accused him, and trostke [14:26] <taa> what? [14:26] <BloodyC0bbler> bashed your analysis [14:26] <BloodyC0bbler> i forget which [14:26] <taa> lol [14:26] <BloodyC0bbler> one of you quoted the other [14:26] <BloodyC0bbler> but you linked [14:26] <BloodyC0bbler> lol [14:26] <taa> thats day1? [14:26] <BloodyC0bbler> drH/myself and syllo [14:26] <BloodyC0bbler> all link together [14:26] <BloodyC0bbler> via vet claim [14:26] <BloodyC0bbler> and possible red in vets [14:26] <taa> btw [14:26] <taa> that medic plam [14:27] <taa> n [14:27] <taa> the hypocracy [14:27] <taa> lol [14:27] <BloodyC0bbler> talk to mig [14:27] <BloodyC0bbler> about it [14:27] <BloodyC0bbler> lol [14:27] <taa> wtf [14:27] <taa> drH tried to lynch me [14:27] <BloodyC0bbler> uh draz [14:27] <taa> would it be likely [14:27] <BloodyC0bbler> neither you nor bartundar [14:27] <taa> all scum voted drazerk day1? [14:27] <BloodyC0bbler> are active [14:27] <BloodyC0bbler> on irc [14:28] <Drazerk> I highly doubt all scum voted me [14:28] <Drazerk> I never said I was active lol [14:28] <taa> btw [14:28] <Drazerk> bum has been on when I have though [14:28] <taa> im fairly sure trotske was town [14:28] <Drazerk> atleast from what I have seen [14:28] <BloodyC0bbler> sevryn, taa. bartundar, kenpachi, drazerk [14:28] <BloodyC0bbler> are all inactive [14:28] <BloodyC0bbler> as hell [14:29] <taa> ? [14:29] <BloodyC0bbler> so is chaos -_- [14:29] <taa> how do you mean [14:29] <BloodyC0bbler> the last like 2 days [14:29] <BloodyC0bbler> on irc [14:29] <BloodyC0bbler> have been basically [14:29] <BloodyC0bbler> ghrur [14:29] <BloodyC0bbler> me [14:29] <BloodyC0bbler> ON [14:29] <BloodyC0bbler> curu [14:29] <BloodyC0bbler> mig till death [14:29] <taa> yeah [14:29] <BloodyC0bbler> a dead redff [14:29] <taa> i havent been to active [14:29] <BloodyC0bbler> lucidity [14:29] <taa> no point in discussing our auto lynch lol [14:29] <Drazerk> I missed the whole Munk-E lynch lol [14:30] <Curu_> going out [14:30] <Drazerk> turbo lynches suck [14:30] <BloodyC0bbler> however [14:30] <Curu_> redFF tell chaos to get his ass in the thread and say something [14:30] <taa> well [14:30] <Curu_> bye [14:30] <taa> they had to die [14:30] <taa> asap [14:30] <BloodyC0bbler> everyone [14:30] <BloodyC0bbler> is voting again [14:30] <BloodyC0bbler> without serious talking -_- [14:30] <taa> so they did their purpose [14:30] <BloodyC0bbler> well [14:30] <BloodyC0bbler> munk-e did [14:31] <BloodyC0bbler> to bring light to possible fake claimer in the vets [14:31] <BloodyC0bbler> YM [14:31] <BloodyC0bbler> didn't [14:32] <syllogism> actually no, we lynched munk-e because we thought he was the fake claiemr [14:32] <syllogism> unless you knew what he would flip [14:34] <Drazerk> Btw kurumi how goes the master plan [14:34] <Kurumi> meh [14:35] <Kurumi> looks like I will have Nuzlocke Fire Red run [14:35] <Kurumi> bastards [14:35] <Kurumi> to hell with You [14:35] <Drazerk> lol [14:35] <Drazerk> hate fire red - Those island things annoyed me [14:35] <Drazerk> as i never worked out wtf i was doing [14:38] <taa> who was the guy that forgot to vote? [14:38] <syllogism> chaos13 [14:38] <syllogism> that's not particularly meaningful though [14:39] <taa> ok [14:39] <taa> chaos and BC [14:40] <taa> would make the most sense [14:40] <alanismorisette> fire red was ok [14:40] <taa> it cant be chaos and sevryn [14:40] <taa> since [14:40] <taa> they voted along with jeejee draz day1 [14:40] <taa> that would be batshit crazy [14:40] <taa> why do i think bc is scum btw? [14:41] <taa> actually [14:41] <taa> syllogism [14:41] <taa> makes much more sense [14:41] <taa> derp [14:42] <taa> syllo [14:42] <BloodyC0bbler> syllogism, taa [14:42] <taa> why so scummy? :> [14:42] <BloodyC0bbler> answer me this [14:42] <BloodyC0bbler> why do you think drH [14:42] <taa> ok [14:42] <BloodyC0bbler> is cleared? [14:42] <taa> hmmm [14:42] <taa> like [14:42] <taa> for one thing [14:42] <taa> it was 6-3 [14:42] <taa> then [14:42] <taa> drH switched to the 6 [14:42] <syllogism> he was on the varpulis/jeejee wagons earlier and his behaviour has been towny [14:42] <taa> from the 3 [14:42] <syllogism> like the rage quit [14:42] <taa> syllogism [14:43] <taa> you seem scum to me though [14:43] <taa> like [14:43] <taa> ive played with you before [14:43] <syllogism> yes but you havent been following the game [14:43] <taa> ?? [14:43] <BloodyC0bbler> the only reason I believe syllo is the red is it seems logically most sense for it to be him [14:43] <syllogism> i knew about mig being vet n1, mig was shot and not roleblocked n1 [14:43] <syllogism> no, your case is completely illogical [14:44] <BloodyC0bbler> the risks arent justified [14:44] <BloodyC0bbler> in the med plan [14:44] <BloodyC0bbler> by me or drH [14:44] <syllogism> what risks [14:44] <taa> there is no case yet [14:44] <taa> like [14:44] <taa> i can give my reasons [14:44] <taa> but they are extremely poor atm [14:44] <BloodyC0bbler> we are suspicious of eachother now [14:44] <syllogism> you had no choice [14:44] <taa> nah [14:44] <syllogism> you claimed to mig [14:44] <syllogism> he made the plan [14:44] <BloodyC0bbler> uh syllo [14:45] <BloodyC0bbler> if you are red [14:45] <BloodyC0bbler> dont know of our med plan [14:45] <BloodyC0bbler> and see someone out [14:45] <BloodyC0bbler> two meds in thread? [14:45] <BloodyC0bbler> day 2 [14:45] <BloodyC0bbler> would you honestly [14:45] <BloodyC0bbler> shoot into that [14:45] <BloodyC0bbler> all that does is confirm the townies -_- [14:45] <syllogism> no it doesn't [14:45] <BloodyC0bbler> instead you shoot around [14:45] <BloodyC0bbler> where the meds are going to be [14:45] <taa> I'm liking at least one out of jeejee/BC being red, especially jeejee, but not really have anything convincing to offer right now and lynching BC today would be pretty dumb anyway. Jeejee hasn't commented on much in and apparently out of thread, just soft defending varpulis today, and has been quite bland so far. Seems a bit too bold for day 1 scum play if varpulis flips red though. [14:45] <syllogism> but yes [14:45] <BloodyC0bbler> and kill freebies [14:46] <syllogism> as scum I would have shot outside the circle [14:46] <taa> "I'm liking at least one out of jeejee/BC being red, especially jeejee, but not really have anything convincing to offer right now and lynching BC today would be pretty dumb anyway. Jeejee hasn't commented on much in and apparently out of thread, just soft defending varpulis today, and has been quite bland so far. Seems a bit too bold for day 1 scum play if varpulis flips red though." [14:46] <taa> thats a slip imo [14:46] <taa> hes defending [14:46] <alanismorisette> just out of interest [14:46] <alanismorisette> why hast this become [14:46] <taa> but if he flips red [14:46] <taa> hes town [14:46] <alanismorisette> like the tlmafia irc [14:46] <alanismorisette> keep discusiion of ur game in here sure [14:46] <alanismorisette> BUT DONT NEGLECT TLMAFIA IRC [14:46] <alanismorisette> #TLMAFIA [14:46] <BloodyC0bbler> lol [14:46] <Drazerk> lol [14:46] <Hesmyrr> well, is XLIII ongoing? [14:46] <alanismorisette> yes [14:46] <BloodyC0bbler> no its over [14:46] <Drazerk> actually forgot about TLmafia rofl [14:46] <Hesmyrr> I am not even checking the games here recently :/ [14:46] <BloodyC0bbler> if you have the list [14:46] <BloodyC0bbler> reveal it [14:47] <BloodyC0bbler> :p [14:47] <coagulation> tlmafia irc is gay [14:47] <taa> rofl [14:47] <alanismorisette> but these retards are talking about pokemon and whether doritos are better than tostitos [14:47] <taa> wtf are tositos [14:47] <BloodyC0bbler> ....... [14:47] <BloodyC0bbler> can you stop [14:47] <BloodyC0bbler> trolling [14:47] <BloodyC0bbler> our discussion redff [14:47] <BloodyC0bbler> lol [14:47] <alanismorisette> D: [14:47] <taa> ok [14:47] <taa> i post it one more time [14:47] <taa> "I'm liking at least one out of jeejee/BC being red, especially jeejee, but not really have anything convincing to offer right now and lynching BC today would be pretty dumb anyway. Jeejee hasn't commented on much in and apparently out of thread, just soft defending varpulis today, and has been quite bland so far. Seems a bit too bold for day 1 scum play if varpulis flips red though." [14:47] <taa> read that quote plz [14:47] <syllogism> hurr [14:48] <alanismorisette> damn [14:48] <alanismorisette> qatol/wiggles and kita are all beating me in fantasy gstl [14:48] <Hesmyrr> wait, is that actual post? [14:48] <alanismorisette> >.> [14:48] <taa> that [14:48] <taa> is a post [14:48] <syllogism> who is Hesmyrr [14:48] <taa> by syllo [14:48] <taa> day 1 [14:48] <BloodyC0bbler> a TL mafia player [14:48] <BloodyC0bbler> whos not in this game [14:48] <taa> apparently [14:49] <taa> both accusing [14:49] <syllogism> oh ok [14:49] <taa> and defending [14:49] <taa> the GF [14:49] <syllogism> taa: you are utterly retarded as usual [14:49] <taa> lol [14:49] <taa> care to explain? [14:49] <syllogism> there's nothing to explain, I wanted to lynch jeejee day 1 and thought it was bold for him to defend varpulis at that point if varpulis was red [14:49] <alanismorisette> why did i put jaehoon in my anti-team T.T [14:49] <syllogism> that's perfectly logical, as I always am [14:50] <BloodyC0bbler> you did a poor job convincing mig was scum then lol [14:50] <syllogism> convincing mig? he agreed with me on jeejee day 1 [14:50] <syllogism> but we can lynch one per day [14:53] <BloodyC0bbler> hey syllo [14:53] <BloodyC0bbler> did mig tell you [14:53] <BloodyC0bbler> who redff was suspicious of? [14:53] <alanismorisette> ???????????? [14:53] <syllogism> yes, i knew everything mig knew and redff posted that in the thread too i think [14:55] <Drazerk> ill be back later [14:55] <Drazerk> try not to end two cycles while im gone [14:56] <coagulation> HEY [14:56] <coagulation> JOIN SIMPSONS [14:56] <coagulation> MAFIA [14:56] <coagulation> ALL OF YOU [14:57] <coagulation> http://scum.forumgoo.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=142 [14:57] <coagulation> STARTS TONIGHT [14:57] <coagulation> GOGO [14:58] <alanismorisette> !!!! [14:59] <taa> ok [14:59] <taa> bc is probably town [14:59] <syllogism> no, he is probably scum [14:59] <taa> that leaves chaos/sevryn [14:59] <syllogism> but chaos13 is better lynch today [15:00] <taa> why? [15:00] <taa> i find you more likely scum [15:00] <Hesmyrr> I don't even have time to join TL mafia heh. [15:00] <taa> bc [15:00] <BloodyC0bbler> ? [15:00] <syllogism> yes taa but you aren't good at the game [15:00] <taa> so [15:00] <taa> i can still play it [15:00] <Hesmyrr> reading through XLIII, I should probably keep quiet about the game then right? [15:00] <taa> like [15:00] <syllogism> sure [15:00] <taa> now then [15:00] <Hesmyrr> as I am not a active participant. [15:00] <taa> bc pushed jeejee [15:00] <taa> like he really pushed him [15:00] <taa> why would he do that? [15:01] <syllogism> that's the only person he has pushed, which makes sense if you know his alignment and if you know he was going to get lynched anyway. That's not incriminating, but that's the context [15:01] <BloodyC0bbler> and who have you pushed syllo [15:01] <BloodyC0bbler> no one? [15:01] <taa> ok [15:01] <taa> now this [15:01] <BloodyC0bbler> you've sat in the "confirmed zone" without [15:01] <BloodyC0bbler> doing anything [15:01] <syllogism> yep [15:01] <BloodyC0bbler> you don't push your views, you limit most of your activity [15:02] <BloodyC0bbler> to talking with mig [15:02] <syllogism> except talk with mig, who was 100% sure I was town. Pretty dumb of me to kill him eh [15:02] <BloodyC0bbler> depends on if he started to question that [15:02] <BloodyC0bbler> or he mentioned something scarey [15:02] <BloodyC0bbler> thats wifom [15:02] <syllogism> curious how he never mentioned that to anyone then [15:02] <BloodyC0bbler> mig viewed both myself [15:02] <syllogism> when he knew he was a target every night [15:02] <BloodyC0bbler> and drH [15:02] <BloodyC0bbler> confirmed as well [15:03] <taa> go to the voting thread [15:03] <taa> look at day 1 votes for varp [15:03] <syllogism> he did not, he just viewed you unlikely because it didn't logically make sense for scum to play like you did [15:03] <taa> there is 1 scum in there [15:03] <syllogism> as in, let jeejee fake claim and then shoot into the gorup [15:03] <syllogism> and I concurred [15:03] <syllogism> but as game goes on, things have to be re-evaluated [15:04] <BloodyC0bbler> and yet if he was most sure of you [15:04] <BloodyC0bbler> you would have been put out in the open [15:04] <BloodyC0bbler> instead of drH or I [15:04] <syllogism> what [15:04] <BloodyC0bbler> put your most confirmed [15:04] <BloodyC0bbler> against your least [15:04] <BloodyC0bbler> gives you reason to know in that situation [15:04] <BloodyC0bbler> 1 is less likely to lie [15:10] <taa> chaos13/sevryn and syllo/lucid are scum [15:12] <afk_ghrur> Haha, syllo doesn't seem to be willing to 1:1 bc [15:12] <afk_ghrur> no, let's kill chaos instead eh? [15:12] <syllogism> why not [15:12] <syllogism> sure, lets lynch bc today [15:13] <afk_ghrur> why, that's not what you said earlier [15:13] <syllogism> i dont know alignments, I like both lynches [15:13] <syllogism> what does that have anything to do with 1:1 [15:14] <BloodyC0bbler> the argument is one of you or me is red [15:14] <BloodyC0bbler> I proposed a 1:1 trade [15:14] <BloodyC0bbler> to figure out which it was [15:14] <BloodyC0bbler> only issue is it wastes 2 town misslynches if im wrong of you [15:14] <syllogism> it's a bad argument, because I'm extremely unlikely to be red [15:14] <afk_ghrur> because you're being wishy-washy right now. You like both lynches? You said lynch chaos first earlier! [15:14] <syllogism> afk_ghrur: uh, we have to lynch one first [15:15] <BloodyC0bbler> syllo [15:15] <BloodyC0bbler> as am I [15:15] <BloodyC0bbler> if ON wasn't so damn active on irc [15:15] <syllogism> BloodyC0bbler: yes, the problem is there are 6 vet claims [15:15] <BloodyC0bbler> id be more inclined to say him [15:15] <syllogism> and I still cant believe [15:15] <BloodyC0bbler> or drH [15:15] <syllogism> there are 6 vets [15:15] <BloodyC0bbler> nor can I [15:15] <BloodyC0bbler> which is why I was trying to figure out [15:15] <BloodyC0bbler> if it was you or drH [15:15] <syllogism> and I'm also finding your logic a bit lacking for your pro town play [15:16] <syllogism> do you truly believe jeejee would agree to waste a shot n1 just to give me some town cred [15:16] <syllogism> instead of, say, shooting someone else or just roleblocking him [15:16] <syllogism> (not necessarily even shooting) [15:16] <BloodyC0bbler> considering jeejee [15:16] <BloodyC0bbler> had essentially given up [15:16] <BloodyC0bbler> before game started [15:16] <BloodyC0bbler> who fucking knows [15:16] <afk_ghrur> Then why would you prefer to lynch chaos before sorting out the vet claims? Clearly we have to lynch one first, but you should have no qualms attacking BC with ferocity if you believe A. 6 vets aren't possible B. Someone in that group is red C. BC is red [15:16] == afk_ghrur has changed nick to ghrur [15:17] <BloodyC0bbler> my only issue with discussion of vet clearing [15:17] <syllogism> I didn't think there could be 5 vets either and apparently that was wrong too [15:17] <BloodyC0bbler> WHY IS NO ONE MENTIONING DRH [15:17] <syllogism> i thought his play early on was towny, is why [15:17] <ghrur> Yeah, i agree with that [15:17] <BloodyC0bbler> and mig thought my behaviour was mostly fine as well past day 1 [15:17] <BloodyC0bbler> mig was sure of you [15:17] <BloodyC0bbler> mig was sure of him, was sure of me? was sure of ON [15:17] <BloodyC0bbler> but most likely [15:17] <BloodyC0bbler> 1 of us is red [15:17] <Lucidity> Why are you guys using mig as a defense? [15:17] <BloodyC0bbler> and most likely you/me/drh [15:18] <syllogism> he wasn't nearly as sure of you and drh, he suspected you most [15:18] <BloodyC0bbler> have the red [15:18] <BloodyC0bbler> syllo [15:18] <Lucidity> "mig told me he thought i was town... THEREFORE I AM NOT SCUM" [15:18] <BloodyC0bbler> everyone [15:18] <Lucidity> er. no. [15:18] <BloodyC0bbler> haas been calling me scum [15:18] <BloodyC0bbler> off and on [15:18] <BloodyC0bbler> all game [15:18] <syllogism> yes [15:18] <BloodyC0bbler> curu was telling me [15:18] <BloodyC0bbler> that because i let mig lead [15:18] <BloodyC0bbler> i must be red [15:18] <BloodyC0bbler> and tried to use that as a valid reason [15:19] <BloodyC0bbler> then when I start trying to figure out who is red [15:19] <BloodyC0bbler> and mention anyone [15:19] <BloodyC0bbler> im also red [15:19] <BloodyC0bbler> The only name no one argues against [15:19] <BloodyC0bbler> is chaos13 as red [15:19] <ghrur> I think you're green like Kenpachi [15:19] <taa> does curu seem scum? [15:19] <BloodyC0bbler> and when litereally no one defends someone [15:19] <ghrur> no [15:20] <BloodyC0bbler> that person usually is town [15:20] <taa> jeejee [15:20] <Lucidity> except this late into the game perhaps [15:20] <syllogism> scum isn't really in a position to defend anyone who already looks scummy [15:20] <taa> got defended by syllo day 1 [15:20] <syllogism> are you stupid [15:20] <taa> you did bro [15:20] <ghrur> LOL [15:20] <syllogism> taa [15:20] <BloodyC0bbler> lol [15:21] <BloodyC0bbler> in the event you and I are both town [15:21] <BloodyC0bbler> it gives mafia perfect hiding place [15:21] <BloodyC0bbler> to push either lynch [15:21] <BloodyC0bbler> almost scott free [15:21] <taa> syllo [15:21] <Lucidity> Sevryn's reason to vote chaos is horrendous, right? [15:21] <BloodyC0bbler> regardless of how scummy you think I am [15:21] <Lucidity> I'm not going insane? [15:21] <BloodyC0bbler> I am generating discussion [15:21] <syllogism> Lucidity: his reasons always are, unfortunately [15:21] <BloodyC0bbler> to actually analyze [15:21] <BloodyC0bbler> until called out [15:21] <BloodyC0bbler> you did dick all [15:21] <BloodyC0bbler> drH is still doing dickall [15:22] <syllogism> i wonder if people can actually get modkilled [15:22] <syllogism> for not playing the game anymore [15:22] <BloodyC0bbler> well [15:22] <BloodyC0bbler> manditory 3 posts [15:22] <ghrur> then we're more fucked [15:22] <BloodyC0bbler> and 1 [15:22] <BloodyC0bbler> per cycle [15:22] <taa> syllogism, you think sevryn is scum? [15:22] <syllogism> taa: he hasn't done anything, is awful and the trosky hit n1 is suspicious [15:23] <Lucidity> modkills disappeared when we got to majority lynch [15:23] <Kurumi> yup [15:23] <taa> and chaos? [15:23] <syllogism> so we have like 3-4 people who arent posting anymore [15:23] <syllogism> and wont get modkilled [15:23] <syllogism> and arent on irc [15:24] <Kurumi> yeah [15:24] <Kurumi> that was Your choice [15:24] <Kurumi> You can only blame Yourself lol [15:24] <BloodyC0bbler> wait [15:24] <BloodyC0bbler> modkills wont happen [15:24] <BloodyC0bbler> now [15:24] <BloodyC0bbler> even with [15:24] <BloodyC0bbler> reg day / night cycle?? [15:24] <Kurumi> yes they won't [15:24] <ghrur> WHAT? [15:24] <BloodyC0bbler> what the fuck [15:25] <Kurumi> because it's impossible [15:25] <Kurumi> to make sure [15:25] <Kurumi> with Your fucking turbolynching [15:25] <ghrur> wait, at least we're back to regday/night cycle right? [15:25] <Kurumi> and 15 minute days [15:25] <BloodyC0bbler> ........ [15:25] <BloodyC0bbler> remove majority lynch [15:25] <BloodyC0bbler> then [15:25] <Kurumi> too late [15:25] <Kurumi> I told You [15:25] <BloodyC0bbler> -_- [15:25] <Kurumi> when we go majority lynch [15:25] <Kurumi> there's no coming back [15:25] <Kurumi> everyone agreed [15:25] <BloodyC0bbler> god damnit kurumi [15:25] <BloodyC0bbler> NO THEY DIDNT [15:25] <syllogism> you didnt tell that you would remove modkills [15:26] <syllogism> for inactivity [15:26] <Kurumi> THEY DID [15:26] <BloodyC0bbler> i argued against it [15:26] <Kurumi> syllogism [15:26] <Kurumi> isn't that OBVIOUS? [15:26] <syllogism> no [15:26] <BloodyC0bbler> and got overruled [15:26] <Kurumi> please, how can 13 people make 3 post each during 15 minute day? [15:26] <Kurumi> -_- [15:26] <syllogism> 3 posts per 48 hours [15:26] <syllogism> not ingame days [15:27] <BloodyC0bbler> kurumi [15:28] <BloodyC0bbler> does that mean [15:28] <BloodyC0bbler> its potentially possible [15:28] <BloodyC0bbler> to no lynch now? [15:28] <Kurumi> sure [15:29] <Kurumi> that's how majority lynches work [15:29] <Lucidity> Kurumi, how about this [15:29] <BloodyC0bbler> -_- [15:29] <Lucidity> if we let the day last 48 hours [15:29] <Lucidity> will modkills be enforced? [15:29] <Lucidity> i.e. only hammer at 48 hours [15:29] <Kurumi> You can't guarantee 24h nights [15:29] <Kurumi> [15:29] <BloodyC0bbler> -_- [15:29] <Lucidity> well at least for the day portion [15:30] <syllogism> 1h 20min until lynch? [15:30] <Lucidity> and Kurumi just confirmed me as non-scum [15:30] <BloodyC0bbler> you said 3 posts during day cycle [15:30] <BloodyC0bbler> if day lasts [15:30] <Lucidity> SHOT :D? [15:30] <BloodyC0bbler> for 48 hours [15:30] <Kurumi> 3 posts during the day [15:30] <Lucidity> nah syllogism [15:30] <Kurumi> 1 post during the night [15:30] <BloodyC0bbler> would p[eople who didnt post [15:30] <Lucidity> we have till tomorrow [15:30] <BloodyC0bbler> those 3 posts [15:30] <BloodyC0bbler> die? [15:30] <syllogism> Kurumi said earlier that it's 24h [15:30] <BloodyC0bbler> uh day cycles were 48 hours [15:30] <syllogism> yes [15:30] <Kurumi> they're 48 [15:30] <BloodyC0bbler> so we should have a day and a bit [15:30] <ghrur> No syllo [15:30] <BloodyC0bbler> still [15:30] <syllogism> but he said he changed it to 234 [15:30] <syllogism> 24* [15:30] <ghrur> He changed it back [15:30] <ghrur> to 48 [15:30] <syllogism> oh ok [15:34] <taa> ON is probably town right? [15:34] <BloodyC0bbler> i have him read as town [15:34] <BloodyC0bbler> purely from irc [15:35] <syllogism> his posts were pretty towny too [15:35] <BloodyC0bbler> his posts are meh [15:38] <taa> lol [15:38] <taa> ghrur is scum [15:38] <taa> i might have traumatized syllogism for nothing [15:38] <ghrur> lol ok [15:38] <taa> sorry <3 [15:38] <taa> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971¤tpage=25#499 [15:38] <taa> you defending jeejee [15:39] <taa> and trying to get the lynch onto munk e [15:39] <taa> wait [15:39] <taa> are you dead? [15:39] <BloodyC0bbler> ghrur? [15:39] <ghrur> you... reading comprehension fail >_> [15:39] <BloodyC0bbler> he didnt defend [15:39] <BloodyC0bbler> jeejee [15:39] <ghrur> that was a case against GG [15:39] <BloodyC0bbler> at all [15:39] <syllogism> he isnt defending jeejee [15:39] <BloodyC0bbler> lol [15:40] <taa> was it? [15:40] <taa> that doesnt make any sense [15:40] <taa> its so soft [15:40] <taa> derp [15:41] <taa> did you defend munk e? [15:41] <taa> or attacked him [15:41] <taa> like i kind suspect you are [15:41] <taa> kinda [15:41] <BloodyC0bbler> he [15:41] <BloodyC0bbler> attaacked [15:41] <BloodyC0bbler> bioth [15:41] <BloodyC0bbler> both* [15:41] <taa> hmm [15:41] <taa> well [15:41] <taa> scum regardless [15:41] <ghrur> Oh god, another redFF [15:42] <alanismorisette> what [15:42] <alanismorisette> can u not randomly ping me [15:42] <ghrur> red, you finally found your first supporter in lynching me [15:42] <alanismorisette> kthanksbye [15:42] <taa> hi5 [15:43] <Lucidity> it's strange [15:44] <Lucidity> we're 5 days into the game and we have no info on half the town [15:44] <taa> good point [15:44] <taa> whats good though [15:44] <taa> is that ghrur is scum [15:45] <ghrur> taa, I suggest you stop being useless and suggest chaos, syllo, or BC [15:46] <syllogism> ghrur: are you a brick wall [15:46] <taa> suggest as in accuse? [15:46] <ghrur> yes [15:46] <ghrur> No syllo, I'm a basketball [15:46] <taa> syllo is a dick so id rather not accuse him in irc again [15:46] <syllogism> lol [15:46] <taa> chaos [15:46] <taa> is such a coinflip [15:47] <taa> like him and sevryn [15:47] <taa> and whats up with bc? [15:47] <taa> people seem to think hes scum [15:47] <taa> but i havent find that much concrete stuff on him [15:48] <taa> ghrur [15:48] <taa> why you think bc is scum? [15:48] <Lucidity> we shouldn't lynch a vet today [15:48] <taa> ur a genius [15:48] <ghrur> Me? I don't think BC is scum. I think syllo is scum [15:48] <taa> lol [15:48] <ghrur> Curu thinks BC is scum [15:48] <Lucidity> and me [15:48] <BloodyC0bbler> curu also prefers to off chaos13 first [15:48] <taa> then why do you think syllo is scum ghrur? [15:48] <Lucidity> ghrur scumslipped earlier [15:49] <taa> shh [15:49] <taa> let him speak [15:49] <taa> also a link to the post plz [15:49] <Lucidity> 19:25.53 ( Lucidity ) I think we should be going after the non-vet scum first [15:49] <Lucidity> 19:26.23 ( ghrur ) Why? If there's a scum among the vets, we're guaranteed to hit if we just lynch syllo/bc/drH [15:49] <Lucidity> how does he know i'm not scum? [15:49] <Lucidity> herp ;p [15:50] <taa> ghrur, why is syllo scum? [15:50] <taa> that derp just disappeared on me :< [15:50] <ghrur> Why? Well, first of all, Syllo was the first one to bring up the "not use a hit" option for mafia before anyone else even mentioned that. Everyone thought either double stack or hit a vet. Instead, Syllo was the first to bring up withholding a hit [15:50] <ghrur> And lately, Syllo's been lurking until pressured [15:50] <syllogism> wow because i'm smart [15:50] <ghrur> then comes out of the woodworks to make some generic posts [15:50] <syllogism> i'm scum [15:50] <Barundar> evening [15:51] <taa> syllo you havent dont that much for town man [15:51] <ghrur> No, precisely because that wasn't smart. it ended up hitting mig. It didn't end up "withholding a shot" [15:51] <syllogism> mig claimed shot immediately [15:51] <syllogism> they had 2 kp [15:51] <taa> ghrur thats extremely weak reasoning [15:51] <ghrur> Oh TAA, i'm not done [15:51] <ghrur> Syllo was also the first one to call out 5 vets isn't possible [15:51] <taa> that sounds good lol [15:51] <ghrur> so he rushed to push Munk-E [15:52] <syllogism> i rushed to push? [15:52] <ghrur> Then afterwards [15:52] <ghrur> he accepted the 5 vets possibility [15:52] <ghrur> [15:17] <syllogism> I didn't think there could be 5 vets either and apparently that was wrong too [15:52] <ghrur> Like, why not question it? [15:52] <syllogism> because there's no way [15:52] <syllogism> both scum fake claimed vet [15:52] <syllogism> so we have at least 5 [15:52] <taa> munk e isnt scum so it still could be 1 [15:52] <ghrur> You didn't ask if maybe someone on your vet list is scum? [15:52] <taa> who are the remaining vets? [15:53] <syllogism> what? [15:53] <Lucidity> I also thought 5 was too many [15:53] <taa> bc drh and? [15:53] <ghrur> Lucid/BC/Syllo/DrH [15:53] <Lucidity> but I now accept it [15:53] <taa> mig [15:53] <syllogism> yes, i think there's one scum on that list [15:53] <syllogism> not two [15:53] <syllogism> meaing there are 5 vets [15:53] <syllogism> meaning [15:53] <Barundar> has any of you had any luck with getting an opinion out of sevryn? [15:53] <ghrur> Yeah, but you didn't question the list at all after munk-e died [15:53] <Barundar> he isnt responding to PM's [15:53] <ghrur> despite saying 5 vets wasn't possible at the time [15:53] <syllogism> ghrur: you are extremely obtuse or scum [15:54] <ghrur> why're you accusing me? did you ever accuse me before? or is this omgus? [15:54] <taa> i think metagaming kurumi into guessing the setup is generally stupid [15:54] <syllogism> i didn't accuse you [15:54] <syllogism> that was just a generic statement [15:54] <Barundar> i feel ignored [15:54] <syllogism> saying that your argument is so bad [15:54] <ghrur> oh, good boy, make more of those [15:54] <Lucidity> nope Barundar [15:54] <taa> if you scroll up a bit he did the same to me < [15:55] <syllogism> yes now that mig died, there are mostly only idiots left [15:55] <syllogism> which is why i wanted to die [15:55] <syllogism> however [15:55] <Lucidity> I think there needs to be a text ban on all variations of "dumb" [15:55] <syllogism> curu asked me to keep playing [15:55] <taa> AND HE DOES IT AGAIN [15:55] <taa> is curu dead? [15:55] <taa> no he isnt [15:55] <syllogism> no [15:55] <taa> that or your scum derp [15:55] <taa> :p [15:56] <ghrur> and now, syllo would've preferred to lynch chaos13 instead of pushing BC when BC wants to push Syllo first. If he wanted to die, he would've pushed BC because BC was willing to go 1:1 with syllo. Syllo didn't want to go 1:1 yet, he wanted to go with chaos13 as the lynch for today. [15:56] <taa> but i think ghrur is more likely scum atm, prolly with sev/chaos [15:56] <ghrur> Reason behind chaos? Easy bandwagon. Saves his skin for later. Doesn't get instantly hammered the next day [15:56] <syllogism> taa: he is actively pushing suspicion on one of the most likely town players, based purely on objective analysis of actions so far [15:57] <syllogism> which is scummy or stupid, annoying regardless [15:57] <ghrur> objective analysis I like it [15:57] <syllogism> he keeps ignoring my point about n1 actions [15:57] <taa> do you consider yourself as one of the most likely townies? [15:57] <taa> lol [15:57] <syllogism> taa: do you know what happened n1? [15:57] <syllogism> mig claimed vet to me before n1 [15:57] <taa> yeah yeah [15:57] <syllogism> then he got hit [15:58] <syllogism> and i'm not dumb enough to shoot someone like trotsky n1, awful hit [15:58] <ghrur> okay, that's just wifom. Idk what you would do despite what you say [15:58] <syllogism> it's not wifom [15:58] <ghrur> and what else would you do if you were scum? [15:58] <syllogism> anyone who knows how i play [15:58] <ghrur> Hit+rB mig? [15:58] <syllogism> would know I would never play like that [15:58] <syllogism> either that or not hit mig at all [15:58] <syllogism> or just rb him for some town cred [15:58] <ghrur> or so you say but then you play like that and no one expects it and it's wifom [15:59] <syllogism> no, because it's bad play [15:59] <syllogism> i dont need that little town cred [15:59] <syllogism> i wouldnt waste KP [15:59] <syllogism> mig thought i was town before n1 [15:59] <ghrur> great, hearsay defense [15:59] <taa> can you proof it? [15:59] <syllogism> ask curu [15:59] <syllogism> yes [15:59] <syllogism> mig told curu [15:59] <taa> ok [16:00] <taa> who is scum [16:00] <taa> but sev/chaos [16:00] <syllogism> if there's a vet fake claiming, it's 95% bc [16:00] <taa> why not lucid? [16:00] <Barundar> you believe lucid over him? [16:00] <taa> why bc? [16:00] <syllogism> his claim doesnt make sense for me as mafia [16:00] <syllogism> we were about to lynch munk-e, he had no reason to claim [16:01] <syllogism> and bring even more suspicion upon him [16:01] <taa> and bc had a reason? [16:01] <syllogism> the likely scenario upon munk-e flipping vet (which he would have known) [16:01] <taa> good point [16:01] <ghrur> BC/Syllo/DrH all claimed before the munk-e lynch [16:01] <ghrur> before GG lynch even [16:01] <Barundar> thing that bothers me about lucids claim [16:01] <Barundar> is that from the irc logs it doesnt say if he came on just to tell people that [16:02] <Barundar> or if it just kinda bursted out [16:02] <syllogism> i dont think mafia players just burst fake claims out [16:02] <Kurumi> i am [16:02] <Barundar> i mean if he was a town worried about the logic that lead to the lynch, because he was another hidden veteran, it would be the first thing he would say when he came on [16:02] <Lucidity> neither [16:02] <BloodyC0bbler> syllo [16:02] <BloodyC0bbler> id never appear as a vet [16:02] <BloodyC0bbler> thats your issue [16:02] <Lucidity> I saw the post in the thread where there were over 9000 vet claims [16:02] <BloodyC0bbler> nor would I push [16:02] <syllogism> bc: yes it's possible we actually have 6 vets [16:03] <BloodyC0bbler> a gf so hard [16:03] <syllogism> and I agree, I dont understand your play if you are mafia [16:03] <Lucidity> and then claimed in IRC [16:03] <taa> i do [16:03] <BloodyC0bbler> or let a rber [16:03] <BloodyC0bbler> die [16:03] <syllogism> but when we reach the point we've to lynch a vet [16:03] <BloodyC0bbler> day 1 [16:03] <syllogism> you are my candidate [16:03] <Barundar> yeah honestly I think its pointless lynching into the town circle [16:03] <taa> all mafia bussed jeejee [16:03] <Barundar> at least for now [16:03] <taa> but [16:03] <taa> i think if sev/chaos is scum [16:03] <BloodyC0bbler> why would I bus him day 1 [16:03] <taa> its chaos [16:03] <Barundar> cuz you're a bloody genious! <23 [16:03] <taa> like [16:04] <taa> fuck that [16:04] <taa> just lynch chaos [16:04] <syllogism> a few people were on to him already and you could have foreseen that jeejee or you was going to get lynched, you are smart enought o see that [16:04] <taa> sev is town Let me add some logs from IRC to help bolster the claims. Logs are in spoilers. I will be quoting some to help the case against syllo. + Show Spoiler + [13:33] <ghrur> so syllo, if you want to push someone else [13:33] <ghrur> be my guest [13:34] <ghrur> Just make a case and post it in the thread [13:34] <ghrur> Otherwise, i'm all for trading you and BC 1:1 [13:35] <syllogism> Too much effort, go ahead, but let me point this out again [13:35] <syllogism> No scum team, especially one with a good player like jeejee, would agree to waste a shot on mig the veteran on n1 when scum have 2 RBs, just to earn one of their lesser known players some town cred. The fact town had just lynched scum makes it even more unlikely. Too much effort AKA I won't give you info and I won't do anything. General wifomy defense. + Show Spoiler + [14:59] <taa> ok [14:59] <taa> bc is probably town [14:59] <syllogism> no, he is probably scum [14:59] <taa> that leaves chaos/sevryn [14:59] <syllogism> but chaos13 is better lynch today [15:00] <taa> why? [15:00] <taa> i find you more likely scum [15:00] <Hesmyrr> I don't even have time to join TL mafia heh. [15:00] <taa> bc [15:00] <BloodyC0bbler> ? [15:00] <syllogism> yes taa but you aren't good at the game Says BC is more likely scum, but would rather lynch chaos13. Why? Because if he pushed and lynched BC, he'd be up next. Self-preservation tactic by Syllo. Townies wouldn't be scared of that crap. + Show Spoiler + [15:12] <afk_ghrur> Haha, syllo doesn't seem to be willing to 1:1 bc [15:12] <afk_ghrur> no, let's kill chaos instead eh? [15:12] <syllogism> why not [15:12] <syllogism> sure, lets lynch bc today [15:13] <afk_ghrur> why, that's not what you said earlier [15:13] <syllogism> i dont know alignments, I like both lynches [15:13] <syllogism> what does that have anything to do with 1:1 [15:14] <BloodyC0bbler> the argument is one of you or me is red [15:14] <BloodyC0bbler> I proposed a 1:1 trade [15:14] <BloodyC0bbler> to figure out which it was [15:14] <BloodyC0bbler> only issue is it wastes 2 town misslynches if im wrong of you [15:14] <syllogism> it's a bad argument, because I'm extremely unlikely to be red [15:14] <afk_ghrur> because you're being wishy-washy right now. You like both lynches? You said lynch chaos first earlier! [15:14] <syllogism> afk_ghrur: uh, we have to lynch one first I call him out on it. IMMEDIATELY switches and becomes defensive. + Show Spoiler + On August 08 2011 03:51 syllogism wrote: Not much to add. 5 vets would be absurd even with 2 RBs ##vote Munk-E On August 08 2011 04:55 syllogism wrote: Show nested quote + On August 08 2011 04:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote: 5 vets is stupid , that gives mafia a 1/4th chance of failing on a hit lol Lucidity also just claimed vet on irc for additional hilarity. On August 09 2011 06:31 syllogism wrote: It doesn't look like YM is coming back, so we'll be lynching him eventually anyway, sans a modkill. His play has been incredibly scummy or strange, it's just a shame this is basically going to be another day with little to no discussion. ##vote Youngminii Syllo's post progression from Munk-E lynch until YM lynch. Notice, first, 5 vets isn't possible. Someone has to be lying. Munk-E turns out vet. Doesn't matter, lynch YM. Never even QUESTIONS who could be lying among the vets. In other words, keep quiet and keep suspicion off the vets so he can live longer. Actually makes a great motive for not talking about it. At this point, I think chaos is still a great lynch, but I'd rather get the BC/Syllo mess sorted out. I disagree with BC that TAA is scum. I think he's not because scum would've confirmed him night 1 with a roleblock, which would've led to TAA saying either "I'm town and my plan worked" or "I'm vig and I couldn't shoot." | ||
ghrur
United States3785 Posts
August 10 2011 05:44 GMT
#1000
On August 10 2011 13:54 OriginalName wrote: Someone please Hammer Chaos13 before the deadline. As you wish. | ||
ghrur
United States3785 Posts
August 10 2011 19:57 GMT
#1034
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ghrur
United States3785 Posts
August 10 2011 20:09 GMT
#1038
+ Show Spoiler + Huh? Curu? No, I think Curu's like 99% town. Me? I think Syllo/BC, one of them is scum. I see DrH as much more likely green. Oh, and you/Lucid. One of you two is scum. Original Message From chaos13: I think that there is a mafia within the vet circle, and whoever it is they are doing some crazy plays to gain major town cred. The number of times I've seen them post "but mafia did this and this and since we all know everything that means we would have played better". Not true. I hosted a game in which a mafioso became part of a blue-only town circle. They had the names and roles of every single blue player in the game, and they organized their night kills so that it wouldn't give away to the player they were communicating with in the TC that they were mafia. That mafioso was Jackal58, and I would easily put some of the claimed vet players on par with him. Besides him, I'm suspicious of syllo/Curu, for reasons that have already been stated in the thread. It's BC's analysis of syllo that really jumps out at me, as well as Curu defending him. However, if those two are the remaining scum that means that everyone else who has claimed vet is town (unless syllo's claimed vet as well, has he? I can't recall.) What about you? Besides me, of course Hide nested quote - Original Message From ghrur: Hey Chaos, what're your thoughts on the vet situation? Who do you think are the most scummy people right now? My PM with Chaos. I specifically mentioned how much I trusted Curu to see if he would die in the night. I mean, hey, confirmed townie kill amirite? Oh, and Curu was one of the most active supporters for the BC lynch in PMs/IRC/Skype. He made the case here, and he was arguing for it consistently outside the thread. Why else would scum kill Curu instead of ON? Because ON trusted BC more than Curu did despite ON being the better scumhunter. | ||
ghrur
United States3785 Posts
August 11 2011 07:01 GMT
#1054
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ghrur
United States3785 Posts
August 11 2011 14:48 GMT
#1063
I'd say the order: BC->Sevryn->Kenpachi works better. Kenpachi isn't scummy per se, he's just unknown. I don't think we should start offing in preparation for Lylo now, but he should definitely be gone by the time Lylo hits. | ||
ghrur
United States3785 Posts
August 11 2011 15:18 GMT
#1065
On August 11 2011 23:57 syllogism wrote: Well now you are only taking one thing into consideration, and based on other things that have occurred, and analysis of his posts and irc behaviour, I think he is less likely to be scum than the other two. Maybe Kenpachi hasn't been particularly scummy (this isn't actually correct as hardcore lurking is scummy), but Sandroba's play on day 1 was, in retrospect, quite curious if you know how he usually plays. Weak FoSs/pressure votes aren't his style. He promised a "huge case" on our skype chat, right before he left the game (this obviously is coincidental, just mentioning it because we never got the case), but didn't mention who the case was going to be about. Me and mig thought it was peculiar, but since he left the game we kind of forgot it. But I'm also taking into account the things Curu pointed out, that is, BC has tried to redirect the lynch off every mafia except JeeJee. BC was trying really hard to not lynch chaos yesterday, and pushed you/TAA as fodder. I also don't like the idea of having 6 vets in the game. :/ Then, of course, there's the BC who was so ardently against majority lynch yet never arguing against it in thread. There's the idea that one of you/DrH/BC must be scum or else why would mafia shoot into that medic mess? Look, I don't disagree that Kenpachi should be lynched, but I don't think he's scummier than BC at this point. He lurks, but so does DrH. Kenpachi usually lurks anyway. :/ I never talked to Sandroba, but I thought most people found kenpachi less scummy because of his play, not more scummy. | ||
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