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ghrur

United States3786 Posts

August 09 2011 01:01 GMT

#921

On August 09 2011 09:58 Sevryn wrote:
Can we slow down on the lynches? even if we know who we are going to lynch we get alot more information in letting them defend themselves letting others defend them. let alone accusing someone else if they are not longer the scummiest.

The problem was YM didn't even care to defend himself.

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

August 09 2011 03:01 GMT

#922

Was anyone roleblocked tonight?

OriginalName

Canada1140 Posts

August 09 2011 04:02 GMT

#923

Well guys back to the drawing board.

OriginalName

Canada1140 Posts

August 09 2011 04:09 GMT

#924

Lucidity:

On August 02 2011 08:29 Lucidity wrote:

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1. Medics are basically the only problem I see at the moment. I don't think that qualifies as a reason to instantly discard the plan.

2. Having Mafia stack hits reduces their KP, which isn't a bad thing. We'll still have no overlaps on Night 1 from blues.

3. What?

4. That's the case on Day 2 as well.

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Another terrible attempt to stop the plan. Why would he be suggesting that?

Backs mafia plan, when reasonable evidence is posed against it trys to keep it moving by antagonizing DrH.

On August 02 2011 19:35 Lucidity wrote:
Haha, I guess I was still in the Asylum mindset with mass blue everywhere - somehow thought that all 7 blue roles listed would be in the game. ~4 blues make sense and we're very unlikely to have 2 medics in that, so a plan to coordinate them this early isn't actually that great.

I think the only time that we should be claiming is if Mafia only have 1 KP left or if a Day Vig hits a Vet, leaving us with 2 confirmed townies. One of them will survive the night and be able to pass on info~

redFF, forever RED?

As soon as he realizes its not going through posts a lame excuse to his change of heart. Keeps on pushing Red after a somewhat decent analysis is posted on him. (Red was Town btw).

On August 03 2011 06:38 Lucidity wrote:
You're still misunderstanding that post. I was simply telling the people who were whining to stop it and do what they consider to be useful. I wasn't telling THE WHOLE TOWN to do it. And I certainly wasn't referring to myself. I think the discussion needed to happen so that we could see all the holes in the plan. It also provided a platform to start scumhunting and it even provided a great scum candidate in Varp.

If you want to continue the discussion about how your reasoning was bad I'd be happy to do it in PM. I feel it's useless spam in the thread.

TRYS TO STYM IN THREAD DISSCUSSION.

On August 07 2011 03:02 Lucidity wrote:
I've got stuff to do and places to be. So:
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19:37.21 ( taa ) i think
19:37.27 ( taa ) chaos is the 4th scum
19:37.45 ( taa ) like
19:37.54 ( taa ) he tries to divert the votes to munk e
19:41.05 ( ON|AFK ) taa
19:41.07 ( ON|AFK ) wait till
19:41.10 ( ON|AFK ) jeejee flips
19:41.12 ( ON|AFK ) to speculate
19:41.14 ( ON|AFK ) on scum number
19:41.15 ( ON|AFK ) lol
19:41.17 ( taa ) ok
19:42.53 ( Lucidity ) I don't think any scum is under the illusion that the vote can jump to someone else
19:42.53 ( taa ) Wishy-washy doesn't even begin to explain this. He just won't make up his mind! While I'm not sure this indicates him 100% as being scum, it is VERY suspicious. Unfortunately however, I don't think it's possible to brand him as scum from JUST this. but he's certainly quite possibly scum.
19:43.00 ( Lucidity ) they're probably all on the bandwagon already
19:43.12 ( taa ) read that quote
19:43.13 ( taa ) lol
19:43.26 ( Lucidity ) Munk-E is mad scum
19:43.27 ( taa ) but he's certainly quite possibly scum.
19:43.33 ( Lucidity ) I was going to post chaos' analysis actually
19:43.43 ( Lucidity ) if JeeJee filps medic
19:43.49 ( alanismorisette ) yeah
19:43.51 ( Lucidity ) i think BC is scum
19:43.57 ( alanismorisette ) u guys are too set on lynching jeejee
19:44.05 ( alanismorisette ) Lucidity: if u think that why is ur vote on jeejee
19:44.11 ( Lucidity ) my vote is nowhere
19:44.14 ( Lucidity ) I haven't been here today
19:44.26 ( Lucidity ) I was just busy reading now
19:44.27 ( alanismorisette ) oh its not
19:44.29 ( alanismorisette ) k
19:45.01 ( Lucidity ) Munk-E was the much better candidate at the start of the day imo
19:45.07 ( Lucidity ) but JeeJee kind of dug his own grave
19:45.14 ( Lucidity ) culminating with his selfvote
19:45.23 ( Lucidity ) double you tea eff mate
19:46.00 ( Lucidity ) Why did Mig reveal the names of all the claimed medics?
19:46.06 ( Lucidity ) JeeJee was going to be lynched anyway
19:46.08 ( Lucidity ) there was no reason to
19:46.16 ( alanismorisette ) i guess he wants full disclosure
19:46.20 ( alanismorisette ) to town
19:46.22 ( alanismorisette ) ?
19:46.24 ( Lucidity ) But with the names out in the open, when the medics staart dying
19:46.32 ( alanismorisette ) Kurumi:
19:46.32 ( Lucidity ) he can say he wasn't the only one with access to the names

Voted JeeJee. If he's really medic he fucked up big time. Also BC should be looked at if he does. Will post more during Night 2 if that happens.

Munk-E is scummy scum scum. Basically I agree with the general vibe of chaos' post.

Sheeping.

On August 05 2011 22:35 Lucidity wrote:

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On August 05 2011 10:42 OriginalName wrote:

On August 05 2011 10:31 youngminii wrote:

On August 05 2011 10:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:

On August 05 2011 10:21 youngminii wrote:
To clarify:

TAA and BC spent Day 1 trying to focus fire on JeeJee.
TAA either lied or something went horribly wrong in the night actions.
BC is now trying to focus fire on JeeJee as he was one of the people being looked at yesterday.

Here is what's likely:

If TAA flips red, JeeJee should be green. BC is more likely red than green.
If JeeJee flips green, BC and TAA are both motherfucking red.
If BC flips red, JeeJee should be green. TAA is more likely red than green.

In other words, kill TAA/BC.

If you are the DT and you checked JeeJee who turned out green, claim to Mig right away who should then post this in the thread, whereupon we lynch TAA/BC.

I love that by "trying to focus fire on jeejee day 1" was actually very late into the day. Misconstrued evidence.

You also neglect to mention

If BC is green it is more than likely Jeejee is red and taa is likely green
Or if TAA is green it is more than likely jeejee is red and BC is more than likely green
Or if JeeJee flips red, TAA and BC are more than likely green.

I love that you purposely miss scenarios that are actually relevant to the argument you are trying to make.

Killing JeeJee would almost fully clear or damn two players where as killing myself or TAA doesnt fully reveal the alignment of the other two players.

Very late into the day is still during the day. Stop throwing around words to make my argument appear weaker. It still happened and you guys still tried to protect Varp.

You are absolutely aware that lynching for information comes AFTER lynching for scum. You and TAA are very likely scum in my eyes, why should I go after the information route? You are scum and you are purposely trying to weaken my argument.

TAA is likely just an idiot townie, we had a long dissucssion on it. I highly reccommend you read both IRC logs i posted.

Lucidity is my biggest scumread at the moment:

Primarily because

-Scum didnt try to really divert the wagon to him despite him having some votes in the middle of the day.
-His reactions on IRC while could be being misrepresented say quite alot on the subject.
-Keeps casting doubt on Mig despite his supposed role and all his actions during D1 (Which were quite Pro-town)

I need to go over his posts one more time but it will probably be tommorrow when I have a clearer head, i sometimes find the need to step away from a game for a sec so when i come back i can reevaluate and maybe catch things i didnt find the day before etc.

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[17:48] <BloodyC0bbler> i suddenly like
[17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> your day 1 finger pointing
[17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> at lucidity
[17:49] <redFF1> :O
[17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971&currentpage=8#156
[17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971&currentpage=29#569
[17:49] <redFF1> yeah
[17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> keep in mind mig
[17:49] <redFF1> i dont like him
[17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> isnt 100%
[17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> but
[17:49] <redFF1> yeah
[17:49] <redFF1> those 2 posts
[17:49] <redFF1> contradict
[17:49] <Lucidity> Mig is not a confirmed townie
[17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> are very
[17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> hes not
[17:50] <BloodyC0bbler> but seriously dude
[17:50] <Original|Laptop> Mig is very close to confirmed
[17:50] <BloodyC0bbler> who the fuck
[17:50] == Lucidity [~nnscript@Lucidity.users.quakenet.org] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )]
[17:50] <BloodyC0bbler> shoots trotske
[17:50] <Original|Laptop> oh lol
[17:50] <Original|Laptop> Lucid
[17:50] <Original|Laptop> fucking leaves
[17:50] <Original|Laptop> after he knows hes wrong
[17:50] <BloodyC0bbler> rofl
[17:50] <Drazerk> lol
[17:50] <Original|Laptop> and grasping
[17:50] <Original|Laptop> wow
[17:50] <Original|Laptop> thats so sad
[17:50] <BloodyC0bbler> "oh shit i got caught"
[17:50] <Original|Laptop> I didnt like him before
[17:50] <Original|Laptop> But im almost sure now
[17:50] <Original|Laptop> Hes trying to cast doubt on Mig
[17:50] <Kenpachi_> loool
[17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971&user=86738
[17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> add in that
[17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> he liked idea of day 2 confirmed
[17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> townie
[17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> -_-

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I'm not sure why no one can see this, but Mig is not confirmed town. The only way to confirm your role is to shoot someone in the Day or to die. Mig hasn't done either. Yes he looks very pro town. No he isn't confirmed.

I didn't ragequit IRC as is being suggested. This happened at approx 1am my time. I was tired and busy shutting down programs. I read the thread, I read a few lines on IRC. I replied and I quit. I didn't stay around, because I had plans of putting my head on my pillow, not arguing about Mig.

I think my position has produced some interesting results at least. This is my first game with BC, but everyone always suggests that he is a Veteran and an amazing player. The way he reacted to my position suggests otherwise:

[17:48] <BloodyC0bbler> i suddenly like
[17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> your day 1 finger pointing
[17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> at lucidity
[17:49] <redFF1> :O
[17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971&currentpage=8#156
[17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971&currentpage=29#569

Here he contrasts me being pro-confirming to a confirmed townie and being against it when it's Mig. This is a terrible comparison, because Mig isn't a confirmed townie. He's trying to show me contradicting myself by misrepresenting the situation. Essentially scum painting.

[17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971&user=86738
[17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> add in that
[17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> he liked idea of day 2 confirmed
[17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> townie
[17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> -_-

Again, he's implying that I'm contradicting myself. I wasn't. A Day 2 confirmed townie is great. Mig isn't one of those.

Why would such a great player make such silly mistakes?

Now, I've had a slight uneasiness with Mig ever since he PMd me early on Day 1.

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Original Message From Mig:
Hey,

I really like your observations and I agree with most of what you had said.

Varp starts off with attempting to appear super pro town but shortly after he falls into making bland vague statements without taking any stands.

Varp and chaos both attacked trotske and both had very poor reasoning behind their attacks. Along with that I think there were logic errors in both of their arguments against sand's plan. Definitely very suspicious of both of them, although chaos' post defending himself against syllo made him seem a bit more townie to me.

Drh really not sure yet. I am not familiar enough with his meta. BC has said that Drh is fearless as scum and very willing to push mafia objectives openly. Where as when he is town he is a lot less sure of himself. So right now I would lean slightly scum but I really want to see him call some people out and see him do some scum hunting before I feel strongly one way or the other about him.

Besides them I have been in contact with bc/sandro/curu/syllo I feel like at least one of them is very likely scum just from a balance perspective. Right now I would lean curu being scum because he hasn't been nearly as aggressive as he was in AA as town. However that is just an early suspicion.

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As you can see I made a very basic reply. He replied with, "I really like your observations!". To me that's not how a townie would react. It's almost as if he's trying to make me like him by complimenting a bland analysis, agreeing with what I had to say. This is something that scum does. They want you to like them. They want you to trust them. When two townies interact in PMs they are both suspicious of the other one. They don't try to have the other like them, because he could be scum. Obviously this doesn't make Mig scum, but it didn't sit well with me and I was wary of him ever since this exchange.

In AA we had a similar scenario where Palmar effectively lynched scum on his own on Day 2. Many people hailed him as a confirmed townie and advocated a mass claim to him. Palmar turned out to be an anti-town role.

Mig appears very pro-town at the moment, but he is not confirmed town. I don't like mass claiming to non-confirmed town.

I have to ask though, why are people so keen to mass claim to him? If he is town, then we gain the benefit of an organised night. If Kenpachi's RB claim was real, then we also more than 4 Blue's most likely, which makes night organisation more useful. If Mig is red though, we lose every blue in the game? It's a gamble when we don't need to take one. I don't like it.

TAA's claim is confusing. It's bad as either town or scum. While there are occasions where it is acceptable to lie as Town (RoL in AA for example. His plan was good and had the chance to work), this wasn't one of them. There was absolutely no pro-town outcome on the cards. Then again, I can't see the pro-scum outcome either? Other than possible confusion? But that's quite risky for minimal reward. It's fucked. If we don't find a real scum candidate (i.e. one who actually acted pro-red) we should turn to LAL. It has the added benefit of discouraging townies from lying in the future too.

I point back to D2. Uses past games as reasons and he slips through again.

2) I only changed my view only because popular opinion changed

HOLY SHIT SHEEP MORE.

Why am I not being grouped with the Vets?

Fakeclaim moar.

I find Lucid Scummy.

OriginalName

Canada1140 Posts

August 09 2011 04:10 GMT

#925

Mig appears very pro-town at the moment, but he is not confirmed town. I don't like mass claiming to non-confirmed town.

I have to ask though, why are people so keen to mass claim to him? If he is town, then we gain the benefit of an organised night. If Kenpachi's RB claim was real, then we also more than 4 Blue's most likely, which makes night organisation more useful. If Mig is red though, we lose every blue in the game? It's a gamble when we don't need to take one. I don't like it.

FORGOT THIS:

You claimed after saying it was a gamble and didnt like it causing a huge clusterfuck a couple days ago.

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

August 09 2011 04:20 GMT

#926

Well Town, let's get off fucking IRC where everyone just talks about FF6 and cooking and dead RedFF is the MOST ACTIVE PERSON. I mean when a person who can't say anything about the game is the most active in the IRC it's clearly useless.

This game is not won. Don't go into IDGAF mode. This thread needs life.

I want to point out chaos:

On August 02 2011 09:20 chaos13 wrote:
DrH has the right idea here. Yes, confirmed townies are excellent. However, mafia can easily fake claim a role like medic or vig, and then we would need to waste our DT checks in order to confirm those claims. Not only that, but we have no idea who the day vig actually is. If it's in the hands of a weaker player, that could lead to complete and utter disaster. Having one player coordinate all the actions of the blues is never a good thing. There is far too much room for error in such a situation, especially since mafia are able to PM and influence the game as well. Ultimately, however, it is up to the individuals with the roles to decide what to do. Discussion about this is very good, but I would rather not waste all day with it. Just something to keep in mind if we're still arguing about it in 24 hours.

Vigis, because there are probably a lot of you in here: Do not shoot unless it is at confirmed scum. If you feel you must shoot anyway, take out lurkers and liars. This sort of common sense is all too often ignored, and results in dead town. Even take DT claims with a grain of salt. If analysis points to a player being town when a claimed check has shown red, proceed with caution. It could be a miller or a scum's fake claim in order to waste a vig shot, especially if the claimed DT player has been under suspicion.

First post jumping in extremely late on the sandroba plan issue. Feels like he just waited until sides had developed, then chose one and jumped on it. He contributed no original ideas or arguments on it, merely following what was already said in the thread. His first post was completely full of bland generic advice, in fact this entire post is the picture of appearing to contribute without actually contributing anything at all.

He was pretty wishy washy on the Varpulis/Drazerk issue; he agrees that Varpulis looks worse:

On August 03 2011 11:37 chaos13 wrote:

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I support this statement, with a slight exception. I don't like the way Varpulis is looking so far, and I would be okay with voting/lynching him. Drazerk is interesting though, and I'll consider placing my vote on him instead of Varp. Lurking is extremely scummy, especially after attempting to instigate a bandwagon on someone. I don't like the Lucidity wagon at all. Something about it just feels off to me, and I feel that Lucid has been playing pro-town, sharing thoughts and developing logical reads.

In a post that is also really wishy washy and not really taking either side. He does say he finds Varpulis worse. However, when a bit of traction began picking up on the Drazerk wagon (ON and Sevyrn agree against Drazerk), this happens:

On August 03 2011 21:11 chaos13 wrote:
My vote today will be going on Drazerk.

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This is the post in which he initially accused redFF. Note the complete lack of actual evidence. It was until his suspect actually encouraged him to post the irc log that he did so, and that arrived almost 20 minutes after this quoted post. Then, as you all know, he completely disappeared while posting actively elsewhere on the site.

Let's lynch ourselves a scum day 1.

##Vote: Drazerk

No new evidence had been brought up, nothing else concrete, just a few people starting to lean towards Drazerk. I feel like this indicated to him it was safe to put his vote down now so, despite thinking Varpulis was worse, he goes ahead and votes Drazerk.

Once JeeJee was under fire he posted no opinion on him despite that being the hot topic and instead came up with a big wall of text about Munk-E.

Let's start up discussion people.

##Vote chaos13

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

August 09 2011 04:24 GMT

#927

On August 09 2011 13:09 OriginalName wrote:
Lucidity:

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Backs mafia plan, when reasonable evidence is posed against it trys to keep it moving by antagonizing DrH.

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As soon as he realizes its not going through posts a lame excuse to his change of heart. Keeps on pushing Red after a somewhat decent analysis is posted on him. (Red was Town btw).

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TRYS TO STYM IN THREAD DISSCUSSION.

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On August 07 2011 03:02 Lucidity wrote:
I've got stuff to do and places to be. So:
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Sheeping.

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I point back to D2. Uses past games as reasons and he slips through again.

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HOLY SHIT SHEEP MORE.

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Fakeclaim moar.

I find Lucid Scummy.

Mafia plan? That thing was mostly the brainchild of Mig and sandroba. Lucidity is scummy yes but the timing of his Vet claim is so weird as scum.

The motivation I thought of and discussed with Mig was if youngminii was Mafia. Lucidity could then claim Vet in the hopes that we lynch through the Vet circle and forget about youngminii. But that's clearly not the case.

What do you think about chaos?

OriginalName

Canada1140 Posts

August 09 2011 04:36 GMT

#928

On August 09 2011 13:20 Curu wrote:
Well Town, let's get off fucking IRC where everyone just talks about FF6 and cooking and dead RedFF is the MOST ACTIVE PERSON. I mean when a person who can't say anything about the game is the most active in the IRC it's clearly useless.

This game is not won. Don't go into IDGAF mode. This thread needs life.

I want to point out chaos:

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Btw we are having a decent disscussion on IRC. I will be cleaning the logs of spam and they will be posted here. Everything that goes on in here is not completely fucking meaningless.

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

August 09 2011 04:39 GMT

#929

Yes I'm aware that a fraction of the time something does get done in there but when throughout the past 8 or so hours it's been people talking about FF6 and ghrur asking BC for cooking tips.

IRC is more or less the thread in realtime anyways, let's be more active here without all the spam and offtopic crap. Any discussion there also gives a free pass to anyone not in IRC, making lurkers even more dangerous.

redFF

United States3910 Posts

August 09 2011 05:27 GMT

#930

It's true, im lonely.

OriginalName

Canada1140 Posts

August 09 2011 05:56 GMT

#931

MANDATORY READING UNTIL CURU COMES IN AFTER THAT ITS BASICALLY A RECAP.

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[23:21] <BloodyC0bbler> of the vet claimers
[23:21] <BloodyC0bbler> syllo/drH scummiest
[23:21] <BloodyC0bbler> in my eyes
[23:21] <BloodyC0bbler> if one is red
01[23:21] <ON|FF6> I dont know anymoreeeee
01[23:21] <ON|FF6> I think
01[23:21] <ON|FF6> DrH is redder
01[23:21] <ON|FF6> then syllo
01[23:21] <ON|FF6> because
01[23:21] <ON|FF6> he like
[23:21] <BloodyC0bbler> I think drH has bigger balls
03[23:21] * MrWiggles is now known as MrWiggles|AFK
01[23:21] <ON|FF6> jumped ship
[23:21] <BloodyC0bbler> and would do
01[23:21] <ON|FF6> after day 2
[23:21] <BloodyC0bbler> what my mind went to
[23:21] <BloodyC0bbler> yea he did
01[23:21] <ON|FF6> DrH has huge fucking balls
01[23:21] <ON|FF6> to do what i think hes doing
[23:21] <BloodyC0bbler> -_- mig was making me kinda fishy with his pushing
[23:21] <BloodyC0bbler> of the damn
[23:22] <BloodyC0bbler> majority lynch
[23:22] <BloodyC0bbler> i hate majority
[23:22] <BloodyC0bbler> so hard
01[23:22] <ON|FF6> Well
01[23:22] <ON|FF6> we went
01[23:22] <ON|FF6> and double lynched scum
01[23:22] <ON|FF6> with no disscussion
[23:22] <BloodyC0bbler> what?
01[23:22] <ON|FF6> there was no point in 48 hour timecycles when we thought we had the game solved
[23:22] <BloodyC0bbler> jeejee
[23:22] <BloodyC0bbler> was heavily analyzed
[23:22] <BloodyC0bbler> -_-
01[23:22] <ON|FF6> Yeah
01[23:22] <ON|FF6> for the first day
[23:22] <BloodyC0bbler> yea
01[23:22] <ON|FF6> then we basically sat on our asses
01[23:22] <ON|FF6> for 24 hours
[23:22] <BloodyC0bbler> i just dont like
[23:22] <BloodyC0bbler> when hosts
[23:22] <BloodyC0bbler> push
[23:22] <BloodyC0bbler> majority
[23:22] <BloodyC0bbler> it gave scum huge
01[23:22] <ON|FF6> I suggested it
[23:22] <BloodyC0bbler> and i mean
[23:22] <BloodyC0bbler> huge bonus
01[23:22] <ON|FF6> actually
01[23:22] <ON|FF6> ._.
[23:22] <alanismorisette> so bc i downloaded a bunch of gameplay videos of old republic
[23:23] <BloodyC0bbler> ?
01[23:23] <ON|FF6> red
01[23:23] <ON|FF6> go away
[23:23] <BloodyC0bbler> i saw e3 footage of it
[23:23] <alanismorisette> there is so much fucking talking
01[23:23] <ON|FF6> we talking business right now
[23:23] <BloodyC0bbler> and it looked sick
01[23:23] <ON|FF6> I need a clear head
[23:23] <BloodyC0bbler> Ok ON
[23:23] <alanismorisette> its like wow with more talking
06[23:23] * alanismorisette LEAVES
[23:23] <BloodyC0bbler> let me say this
[23:23] <BloodyC0bbler> if you knew of the medic plan
[23:23] <BloodyC0bbler> and were red
[23:23] <BloodyC0bbler> would you shoot into that?
[23:23] <BloodyC0bbler> stress knew it was fake
01[23:24] <ON|FF6> thinking
01[23:24] <ON|FF6> No
01[23:24] <ON|FF6> probably not
[23:24] <BloodyC0bbler> then, would your answer be different
[23:24] <BloodyC0bbler> if you didnt know it was a ruse?
01[23:24] <ON|FF6> Hard to say
01[23:24] <ON|FF6> If i saw mig out two medics
[23:24] <BloodyC0bbler> because
01[23:24] <ON|FF6> I would probably go
01[23:24] <ON|FF6> hmm
01[23:24] <ON|FF6> let this pan out
01[23:24] <ON|FF6> and shoot outside of it
[23:24] <BloodyC0bbler> "trap"
[23:24] <BloodyC0bbler> yea
01[23:24] <ON|FF6> it smells of trap
[23:25] <BloodyC0bbler> if i knew of it though
[23:25] <BloodyC0bbler> id do
[23:25] <BloodyC0bbler> exactly what happened -_-
[23:25] <BloodyC0bbler> well
01[23:25] <ON|FF6> yeah
01[23:25] <ON|FF6> probably
[23:25] <BloodyC0bbler> with one difference
01[23:25] <ON|FF6> what
[23:25] <BloodyC0bbler> i'd "shoot" myself
[23:25] <BloodyC0bbler> and block drH
01[23:25] <ON|FF6> hmm
[23:25] <BloodyC0bbler> as the person who was hit
01[23:25] <ON|FF6> DrH
[23:25] <BloodyC0bbler> is more likely "town"
01[23:25] <ON|FF6> is possibly mafia
[23:25] <BloodyC0bbler> than the rb'd one
01[23:25] <ON|FF6> I know
01[23:25] <ON|FF6> hes smart enough to pull something like this
[23:25] <BloodyC0bbler> syllo has been backseat
01[23:25] <ON|FF6> But
[23:25] <BloodyC0bbler> all fucking game
01[23:25] <ON|FF6> I know you are too
[23:25] <BloodyC0bbler> so im not sure
[23:25] <BloodyC0bbler> -_-
01[23:25] <ON|FF6> Im just scared
01[23:26] <ON|FF6> on the off chance
[23:26] <BloodyC0bbler> yep
[23:26] <BloodyC0bbler> which is why
[23:26] <alanismorisette> yeah if i was mafia i wouldnt have shot into those medics lol
01[23:26] <ON|FF6> your playing me like a fiddle
[23:26] <BloodyC0bbler> im trying to be transparent
[23:26] <BloodyC0bbler> lol
01[23:26] <ON|FF6> Im so fucking scared
01[23:26] <ON|FF6> of BC being mafia
01[23:26] <ON|FF6> you have no idea
[23:26] <alanismorisette> herp derp he obv outing 2 medics day 2 for no reason herp derp
[23:26] <BloodyC0bbler> most people are
[23:26] <BloodyC0bbler> lol
01[23:26] <ON|FF6> Like
01[23:26] <ON|FF6> Ace
[23:26] <BloodyC0bbler> Opz
01[23:26] <ON|FF6> is meh
[23:26] <BloodyC0bbler> purposely
01[23:26] <ON|FF6> cause i somewhat have seen the differences
[23:26] <BloodyC0bbler> always plays against me
01[23:26] <ON|FF6> in his town play
01[23:26] <ON|FF6> you
[23:26] <BloodyC0bbler> every game
01[23:26] <ON|FF6> I fucking hate trying to read
01[23:26] <ON|FF6> its impossable
[23:27] <BloodyC0bbler> I figure
01[23:27] <ON|FF6> its like coag
01[23:27] <ON|FF6> But smart
[23:27] <BloodyC0bbler> if I didn't fuck everyone over
01[23:27] <ON|FF6> and methododical
[23:27] <BloodyC0bbler> hard
[23:27] <BloodyC0bbler> yet
[23:27] <BloodyC0bbler> i prob not going to
[23:27] <BloodyC0bbler> keep in mind
[23:27] <BloodyC0bbler> i did try to stop mig
[23:27] <BloodyC0bbler> from pushing the last lynch
[23:27] <BloodyC0bbler> -_-
[23:27] <BloodyC0bbler> i wanted time to talk
[23:27] <BloodyC0bbler> and he was like "NO NO HES RED"
01[23:27] <ON|FF6> Yeah
01[23:27] <ON|FF6> I think me and mig
01[23:27] <ON|FF6> got really fucking cocky
01[23:27] <ON|FF6> after JeeJee went down
[23:27] <alanismorisette> ^^^^^^^^^
[23:27] <alanismorisette> WE HAVE A WINRA
01[23:27] <ON|FF6> thinking we were hot shit
01[23:27] <ON|FF6> lol
[23:27] <alanismorisette> *winrar
[23:27] <alanismorisette> yeah
01[23:27] <ON|FF6> I love winrar
01[23:28] <ON|FF6> best free not actually free product
01[23:28] <ON|FF6> ever
[23:28] <BloodyC0bbler> so
[23:28] <alanismorisette> like taa and his vigi claim
[23:28] <BloodyC0bbler> honestly
[23:28] <alanismorisette> i use unrar
[23:28] <BloodyC0bbler> just look at taa
01[23:28] <ON|FF6> How are we going to go about this
[23:28] <BloodyC0bbler> and chaos13
[23:28] <BloodyC0bbler> look at their posts
01[23:28] <ON|FF6> we have
[23:28] <BloodyC0bbler> or curu's
01[23:28] <ON|FF6> 3 mislynches correct?
[23:28] <BloodyC0bbler> im pretty sure
01[23:28] <ON|FF6> before were absolutely fucked
[23:28] <BloodyC0bbler> i've cleared bartundar
01[23:28] <ON|FF6> hmm
[23:28] <BloodyC0bbler> to me
01[23:28] <ON|FF6> I think barunder is town
01[23:28] <ON|FF6> just lurky as fuck
01[23:28] <ON|FF6> Ghrur
[23:28] <BloodyC0bbler> none of his posts
01[23:28] <ON|FF6> is meh
[23:28] <BloodyC0bbler> scream red
[23:28] <BloodyC0bbler> ghrur is meh but im leaning
[23:28] <BloodyC0bbler> town
01[23:28] <ON|FF6> same
[23:28] <BloodyC0bbler> hes not playing like a red
01[23:28] <ON|FF6> CHaos
[23:28] <BloodyC0bbler> kenpachi seems red purely because
01[23:28] <ON|FF6> i have no fucking clue
[23:28] <BloodyC0bbler> err
[23:29] <BloodyC0bbler> town
[23:29] <BloodyC0bbler> purely because of roba
01[23:29] <ON|FF6> Kenpachi is town cause of roba
[23:29] <BloodyC0bbler> chaos13
01[23:29] <ON|FF6> and the rb
[23:29] <BloodyC0bbler> im most sketchy of
01[23:29] <ON|FF6> ive seen chaos play pretty decently before
01[23:29] <ON|FF6> and if DrH is his buddy
01[23:29] <ON|FF6> thats scary as shit
01[23:29] <ON|FF6> DrH/Chaos is a possible scum team
01[23:29] <ON|FF6> if only
[23:29] <BloodyC0bbler> drH
[23:29] <BloodyC0bbler> is normally
01[23:29] <ON|FF6> because DrH has distanced himself so far from chaos
[23:29] <BloodyC0bbler> active beyond hell
01[23:29] <ON|FF6> yeah
[23:30] <BloodyC0bbler> also
[23:30] <BloodyC0bbler> did mig
01[23:30] <ON|FF6> He said he wanted to tone down his spam count
[23:30] <BloodyC0bbler> ever tell you
01[23:30] <ON|FF6> but this is redic
[23:30] <BloodyC0bbler> who jeejee
[23:30] <alanismorisette> btw on
[23:30] <BloodyC0bbler> claimed he prot'd?
[23:30] <alanismorisette> new lol patch
01[23:30] <ON|FF6> no
[23:30] <alanismorisette> :O
01[23:30] <ON|FF6> Yeah
01[23:30] <ON|FF6> shut up
01[23:30] <ON|FF6> for 5 more mins
01[23:30] <ON|FF6> then we talk
[23:30] <BloodyC0bbler> im pretty sure
06[23:30] * alanismorisette sulks
[23:30] <BloodyC0bbler> it was
[23:30] <BloodyC0bbler> drH
01[23:30] <ON|FF6> Yeah
01[23:30] <ON|FF6> it was
[23:30] <BloodyC0bbler> but i can't find it in my logs
[23:30] <BloodyC0bbler> -_-
01[23:30] <ON|FF6> now that you mention it
01[23:30] <ON|FF6> I remember that
01[23:30] <ON|FF6> No it was
01[23:30] <ON|FF6> I cant find it either
01[23:30] <ON|FF6> but i remember it
[23:30] <BloodyC0bbler> like why would anyone
[23:30] <BloodyC0bbler> prot drH
[23:30] <BloodyC0bbler> over mig
[23:30] <BloodyC0bbler> day 1
01[23:31] <ON|FF6> If anything
01[23:31] <ON|FF6> the pecking order was
01[23:31] <ON|FF6> Mig > DrH > Me > you
01[23:31] <ON|FF6> that shouldve been the medics pecking order
[23:31] <BloodyC0bbler> yea
[23:31] <BloodyC0bbler> also
[23:31] <BloodyC0bbler> let me quote you something
[23:31] <BloodyC0bbler> gimme a sec
01[23:32] <ON|FF6> alright
01[23:32] <ON|FF6> im going to cut out
01[23:32] <ON|FF6> the spam
01[23:32] <ON|FF6> in this
01[23:32] <ON|FF6> and post it
01[23:32] <ON|FF6> or will you?
01[23:32] <ON|FF6> this shit
01[23:32] <ON|FF6> needs to be seen
[23:32] <BloodyC0bbler> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971&currentpage=27#521
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01[23:32] <ON|FF6> Since people wont come in here
[23:32] <BloodyC0bbler> that post
[23:32] <BloodyC0bbler> is why
[23:32] <BloodyC0bbler> i think taa is "off"
01[23:33] <ON|FF6> and
[23:33] <BloodyC0bbler> taa/chaos13
[23:33] <alanismorisette> lol
[23:33] <BloodyC0bbler> one or the other red
01[23:33] <ON|FF6> it could theoretically
[23:33] <BloodyC0bbler> one town
[23:33] <alanismorisette> by cut out the spam
[23:33] <BloodyC0bbler> in my head
[23:33] <BloodyC0bbler> explain
[23:33] <BloodyC0bbler> the fucking shot
[23:33] <alanismorisette> u mean remove my ramblings
[23:33] <BloodyC0bbler> -_-
01[23:33] <ON|FF6> explain why trotske was offed
01[23:33] <ON|FF6> yes red
01[23:33] <ON|FF6> thats exactly it
[23:33] <BloodyC0bbler> yo drH
[23:33] <BloodyC0bbler> you gonna talk
[23:33] <BloodyC0bbler> or lurk
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01[23:33] <ON|FF6> DoctorHelvetica
01[23:33] <ON|FF6> You here
[23:33] <BloodyC0bbler> apparently lurk
01[23:35] <ON|FF6> le sigh
[23:35] <BloodyC0bbler> why would you join
[23:35] <BloodyC0bbler> and not talk
[23:35] <BloodyC0bbler> twice in the same day
01[23:36] <ON|FF6> Curu
01[23:36] <ON|FF6> is probably town
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[23:37] <BloodyC0bbler> most likely
[23:37] <BloodyC0bbler> say for arguments sake for us both
[23:38] <BloodyC0bbler> we are both town
01[23:38] <ON|FF6> alright
01[23:38] <ON|FF6> and?
[23:38] <BloodyC0bbler> curu/bartundar/ghrur
[23:38] <BloodyC0bbler> and most likely draz
[23:38] <BloodyC0bbler> are all town
01[23:38] <ON|FF6> that leaves
01[23:38] <ON|FF6> Lucidity
01[23:38] <ON|FF6> Chaos13
[23:38] <BloodyC0bbler> that leaves chaos, syllo, lucidity drh
01[23:38] <ON|FF6> uhh
01[23:38] <ON|FF6> yeah
[23:38] <BloodyC0bbler> taa
01[23:38] <ON|FF6> 5 possible
[23:38] <BloodyC0bbler> sevryn
01[23:38] <ON|FF6> 6
01[23:39] <ON|FF6> so tahts over half of us
01[23:39] <ON|FF6> great
01[23:39] <ON|FF6> fucking amazing
[23:39] <BloodyC0bbler> oh, kenpachi
[23:39] <BloodyC0bbler> is town
[23:39] <BloodyC0bbler> as well
01[23:39] <ON|FF6> still half
[23:39] <BloodyC0bbler> yea
[23:39] <BloodyC0bbler> of those
[23:39] <BloodyC0bbler> id say
[23:39] <BloodyC0bbler> tta or chaos
[23:39] <BloodyC0bbler> is red
[23:39] <BloodyC0bbler> and the last one
01[23:39] <ON|FF6> Lucidity or DocH
[23:39] <BloodyC0bbler> is in sevryn/drh/syllo/lucidity
01[23:39] <ON|FF6> is also possibly read
[23:39] <BloodyC0bbler> however
[23:39] <BloodyC0bbler> sevryn at this point
[23:39] <BloodyC0bbler> is most likely
[23:39] <BloodyC0bbler> town
01[23:39] <ON|FF6> eh
01[23:39] <ON|FF6> yeah
[23:39] <BloodyC0bbler> if chaos13
01[23:39] <ON|FF6> ish
[23:40] <BloodyC0bbler> or taa
01[23:40] <ON|FF6> still lurking hard as fuc
[23:40] <BloodyC0bbler> is red
01[23:40] <ON|FF6> k
[23:40] <BloodyC0bbler> which would leave
[23:40] <BloodyC0bbler> drh/syllo/lucidity
[23:40] <BloodyC0bbler> of the 3
[23:40] <BloodyC0bbler> which would shoot
[23:40] <BloodyC0bbler> into the med fake claim
01[23:40] <ON|FF6> Syllo and Lucidity
[23:40] <BloodyC0bbler> lucidity didn't know of it
[23:40] <BloodyC0bbler> then claimed vet
[23:40] <BloodyC0bbler> after
01[23:40] <ON|FF6> Syllo for the wifom
[23:40] <BloodyC0bbler> so drH and syllo knew of it
01[23:40] <ON|FF6> Lucid cause he didnt know
[23:41] <BloodyC0bbler> id say syllo most likely shot purely because
[23:41] <BloodyC0bbler> drH would know
[23:41] <BloodyC0bbler> if it came down to lynching vets
[23:41] <BloodyC0bbler> he and I would be put up fast
[23:41] <BloodyC0bbler> like
[23:41] <BloodyC0bbler> would basically go
[23:41] <BloodyC0bbler> lucidity
[23:41] <BloodyC0bbler> me
[23:41] <BloodyC0bbler> drH
[23:41] <BloodyC0bbler> syllo
[23:41] <BloodyC0bbler> to hit a red
01[23:41] <ON|FF6> causing us to lose the game
01[23:41] <ON|FF6> because
[23:41] <BloodyC0bbler> if you just lynched the chain
01[23:41] <ON|FF6> vets would be lynched last
[23:41] <BloodyC0bbler> yea
[23:41] <BloodyC0bbler> yep
01[23:42] <ON|FF6> its ingenious really
[23:42] <BloodyC0bbler> but its convoluted
[23:42] <BloodyC0bbler> as hell
01[23:42] <ON|FF6> But
[23:42] <BloodyC0bbler> and I know I'd think of it
01[23:42] <ON|FF6> think about it
[23:42] <BloodyC0bbler> but would anyone else
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[23:42] <BloodyC0bbler> -_-
01[23:42] <ON|FF6> if we had reguler 48 hour days
[23:42] <BloodyC0bbler> it just explains why
01[23:42] <ON|FF6> and dissucessed this to death
[23:42] <BloodyC0bbler> mafia hasn't gg'd out
01[23:42] <ON|FF6> maybe we just helped it along
01[23:42] <ON|FF6> yeha
[23:42] <ghrur> BC!
[23:42] <ghrur> MILKIS WON 5-0
[23:42] <ghrur> WTF
01[23:42] <ON|FF6> GHRUR
[23:42] <BloodyC0bbler> ghrur
[23:42] <ghrur> KOREAN FACTOR?
01[23:42] <ON|FF6> NO SPAM
01[23:42] <ON|FF6> GTF
[23:42] <BloodyC0bbler> i know
01[23:42] <ON|FF6> O
[23:42] <BloodyC0bbler> I watched
[23:42] <ghrur>

sorry
01[23:43] <ON|FF6> Im enforcing another 10-15 mins
[23:43] <ghrur> what's being discussed?
01[23:43] <ON|FF6> of no spam
01[23:43] <ON|FF6> Convuleted plans
01[23:43] <ON|FF6> we helped along
01[23:43] <ON|FF6> with the majorit
01[23:43] <ON|FF6> y
[23:43] <BloodyC0bbler> game
[23:43] <BloodyC0bbler> we are talking about
[23:43] <BloodyC0bbler> the
[23:43] <alanismorisette> koreans own white dudes
01[23:43] <ON|FF6> Ghrur
[23:43] <BloodyC0bbler> possibility of a vet purposely hitting
[23:43] <BloodyC0bbler> inside the blues
[23:43] <BloodyC0bbler> if hes red
[23:43] <BloodyC0bbler> to build confirmation / doubt
[23:43] <BloodyC0bbler> I talked to you about it earlier
[23:43] <BloodyC0bbler> i think
01[23:43] <ON|FF6> would you believe it
01[23:43] <ON|FF6> if i said
01[23:43] <ON|FF6> Syllo or DrH was scum
[23:43] <ghrur> yes
01[23:43] <ON|FF6> alright
01[23:44] <ON|FF6> why
[23:44] <ghrur> Well, I favor syllo over DrH
01[23:44] <ON|FF6> as do I
[23:44] <ghrur> because he first mentioned the possibility of not hitting
01[23:44] <ON|FF6> but potentially
01[23:44] <ON|FF6> they are both scum
01[23:44] <ON|FF6> btw
[23:44] <ghrur> Yeah, it's very possible
[23:44] <BloodyC0bbler> drH also pushed varp
[23:44] <BloodyC0bbler> to die
[23:44] <BloodyC0bbler> faster
01[23:44] <ON|FF6> So what
01[23:44] <ON|FF6> Bussing
[23:44] <BloodyC0bbler> than syllo
[23:45] <BloodyC0bbler> it is
01[23:45] <ON|FF6> DocH doesnt care
[23:45] <BloodyC0bbler> but how often
[23:45] <ghrur> Furthermore, syllo has never been hit so to speak
[23:45] <BloodyC0bbler> do you bus a roleblocker
[23:45] <BloodyC0bbler> day 1
01[23:45] <ON|FF6> when you have 2
01[23:45] <ON|FF6> put it that way
[23:45] <BloodyC0bbler> who were shot
01[23:45] <ON|FF6> and it doesnt seem as bad
[23:45] <BloodyC0bbler> and 1 rb'd
01[23:45] <ON|FF6> Syllo never hit
[23:45] <BloodyC0bbler> ON, it doesn't seem as bad
[23:45] <BloodyC0bbler> but if you have 2 rb's
01[23:45] <ON|FF6> flys under the radar
[23:45] <BloodyC0bbler> and have anyone intelligent
01[23:45] <ON|FF6> i have never seen him
[23:45] <BloodyC0bbler> in your team
[23:45] <BloodyC0bbler> why the hell
01[23:45] <ON|FF6> do anything meaningful
01[23:45] <ON|FF6> to dissucssion
01[23:45] <ON|FF6> yeah
[23:45] <BloodyC0bbler> would you let him die"?
01[23:45] <ON|FF6> i get taht
01[23:46] <ON|FF6> which is why
01[23:46] <ON|FF6> DocH
01[23:46] <ON|FF6> is lesser down
01[23:46] <ON|FF6> than syllo
01[23:46] <ON|FF6> once again
[23:46] <BloodyC0bbler> yea
01[23:46] <ON|FF6> throwing ideas out
[23:46] <BloodyC0bbler> day 1
[23:46] <BloodyC0bbler> taa
[23:46] <BloodyC0bbler> chaos13
[23:46] <BloodyC0bbler> jeejee
[23:46] <BloodyC0bbler> all tried to move lynch
[23:46] <BloodyC0bbler> chaos13 and jeejee
[23:46] <BloodyC0bbler> to draz
[23:46] <BloodyC0bbler> taa and me
[23:46] <BloodyC0bbler> to jeejee
01[23:46] <ON|FF6> sp
[23:46] <BloodyC0bbler> who tried to move it to lucidity at first/
[23:46] <BloodyC0bbler> ?
01[23:46] <ON|FF6> hmm
01[23:46] <ON|FF6> i wonder
01[23:46] <ON|FF6> if
01[23:46] <ON|FF6> Syllo/Chaos
01[23:46] <ON|FF6> is scumteam
01[23:47] <ON|FF6> I wonder if lynching syllo
[23:47] <BloodyC0bbler> I know mig
[23:47] <ghrur> Another thing that makes me prefer syllo
01[23:47] <ON|FF6> would be the correct move
01[23:47] <ON|FF6> today
[23:47] <BloodyC0bbler> thought syllo
[23:47] <ghrur> DrH never jumped on te Munk-E wagon
[23:47] <BloodyC0bbler> was more town than I was for awhile
[23:47] <BloodyC0bbler> hmm
01[23:47] <ON|FF6> Syllo jumped on the JeeJee wagon too right?
01[23:47] <ON|FF6> but that was inevitable
01[23:47] <ON|FF6> so scum probably knew just to let it go
[23:47] <BloodyC0bbler> yea
01[23:47] <ON|FF6> and jumped on
[23:47] <BloodyC0bbler> the only people
[23:47] <BloodyC0bbler> who argued the jeejee lynch
[23:47] <BloodyC0bbler> were mig
01[23:48] <ON|FF6> me
[23:48] <BloodyC0bbler> and I think
01[23:48] <ON|FF6> you and BC
[23:48] <BloodyC0bbler> 1 other person
[23:48] <BloodyC0bbler> in the circle
01[23:48] <ON|FF6> oh
[23:48] <ghrur> Like, the mafia would love the Munk-E wagon, it was our first mislynch and it would create havoc in the town
01[23:48] <ON|FF6> the skype circle
01[23:48] <ON|FF6> you mean
[23:48] <BloodyC0bbler> no i mean in general
01[23:48] <ON|FF6> did syllo meaningfully contribute in the skype circle at all?
[23:48] <BloodyC0bbler> mig did not think
[23:48] <BloodyC0bbler> jeejee was red
[23:48] <BloodyC0bbler> at first
01[23:48] <ON|FF6> ah
[23:48] <BloodyC0bbler> he lurked
[23:48] <BloodyC0bbler> a fuck ton
01[23:48] <ON|FF6> oh
[23:48] <BloodyC0bbler> after day 1
01[23:48] <ON|FF6> more reasons
[23:48] <BloodyC0bbler> we stopped using it
01[23:48] <ON|FF6> yeah
[23:48] <BloodyC0bbler> because mig stopped talking ot curu
[23:48] <BloodyC0bbler> and syllo lurked
[23:48] <BloodyC0bbler> completely
[23:49] <BloodyC0bbler> so it made sense to just talk to mig privately
01[23:49] <ON|FF6> Syllo was almost as if he was in there
01[23:49] <ON|FF6> to gain information
[23:49] <BloodyC0bbler> I honestly think ghrur is town
01[23:49] <ON|FF6> not to contribute
01[23:49] <ON|FF6> as do I
[23:49] <BloodyC0bbler> because he will talk to me now
[23:49] <BloodyC0bbler> lol
01[23:49] <ON|FF6> Curu is just being
01[23:49] <ON|FF6> curu
[23:49] <ghrur> Hahaha
[23:49] <BloodyC0bbler> he outright refused
[23:49] <BloodyC0bbler> day 1
01[23:49] <ON|FF6> and being an idiot
[23:49] <BloodyC0bbler> lol
01[23:49] <ON|FF6> that guy
[23:49] <ghrur> that's because I think you're town
[23:49] <BloodyC0bbler> so
01[23:49] <ON|FF6> has such a thick skull some days
[23:49] <BloodyC0bbler> taa/chaos13
[23:49] <BloodyC0bbler> linked
[23:49] <BloodyC0bbler> so possible red
[23:49] <BloodyC0bbler> of the 2
[23:49] <BloodyC0bbler> then syllo or drh?
[23:49] <ghrur> I don't think so
[23:49] <BloodyC0bbler> as most likely other 1?
01[23:50] <ON|FF6> Chaos > Taa Syllo > drH
01[23:50] <ON|FF6> imo
[23:50] <ghrur> I personally don't think chaos is that scummy
01[23:50] <ON|FF6> hmm
[23:50] <BloodyC0bbler> i think they link opposite sides
[23:50] <BloodyC0bbler> of spectrum
01[23:50] <ON|FF6> would out best action be to kill syllo
[23:50] <BloodyC0bbler> taa has flown
[23:50] <BloodyC0bbler> under the radar completely
[23:50] <BloodyC0bbler> since the whole vig thing
01[23:50] <ON|FF6> yeah
[23:50] <ghrur> TAA pushed GG even before you though
[23:50] <BloodyC0bbler> he doesnt commit to anything
01[23:50] <ON|FF6> Yeah
[23:50] <BloodyC0bbler> he didnt super push
[23:50] <BloodyC0bbler> it though
01[23:50] <ON|FF6> it was meh
01[23:50] <ON|FF6> and took way more credit
01[23:50] <ON|FF6> then deserved
01[23:50] <ON|FF6> as if he was trying to gain town cred
[23:51] <ghrur> very true
[23:51] <BloodyC0bbler> yea
01[23:51] <ON|FF6> Taa/Syllo
01[23:51] <ON|FF6> is my current pick
01[23:51] <ON|FF6> im almost sure on syllo now
[23:51] <BloodyC0bbler> it seems
01[23:51] <ON|FF6> it just lines up
[23:51] <BloodyC0bbler> soundish for what we have
01[23:51] <ON|FF6> Alright
01[23:51] <ON|FF6> we need to get this in thread
01[23:51] <ON|FF6> and start disscussing syllo
01[23:51] <ON|FF6> and see his reaction
01[23:51] <ON|FF6> Ghrur
01[23:52] <ON|FF6> you gotta help this too
[23:52] <ghrur> yes?
01[23:52] <ON|FF6> not just lurk
[23:52] <ghrur> Okay
01[23:52] <ON|FF6> and not contribute
01[23:52] <ON|FF6> Migs gone now
[23:52] <BloodyC0bbler> lol
[23:52] <ghrur> Lol
01[23:52] <ON|FF6> we gotta pull weight
[23:52] <ghrur> Devastating
01[23:52] <ON|FF6> Me
01[23:52] <ON|FF6> h
01[23:52] <ON|FF6> he was making
01[23:52] <ON|FF6> good cases
01[23:52] <ON|FF6> and leading
01[23:52] <ON|FF6> gotta step up for the leader
[23:52] <ghrur> Yeah
01[23:52] <ON|FF6> lol
[23:52] <BloodyC0bbler> well, munk-e case we all fucked up
[23:52] <ghrur> But you guys do ealize
[23:52] <BloodyC0bbler> on
01[23:52] <ON|FF6> Yeah
[23:52] <BloodyC0bbler> lol
01[23:52] <ON|FF6> that was retarded
[23:52] <ghrur> if DrH/Syllo are team
01[23:52] <ON|FF6> as long as we lynch one
01[23:52] <ON|FF6> were fine
[23:52] <ghrur> This could fall apart
01[23:52] <ON|FF6> for a long time
[23:52] <BloodyC0bbler> if we lynch 1
[23:52] <BloodyC0bbler> we have alot more misslynches
01[23:52] <ON|FF6> As long as we get down to one
[23:52] <ghrur> Yeah
01[23:52] <ON|FF6> we can hit Lylo
01[23:53] <ON|FF6> Best case scenario in lylo
01[23:53] <ON|FF6> is
[23:53] <BloodyC0bbler> if we hit a roleblocker
[23:53] <alanismorisette> can i talk yet?
[23:53] <BloodyC0bbler> in our lynch
[23:53] <BloodyC0bbler> we have
[23:53] <BloodyC0bbler> extra
[23:53] <BloodyC0bbler> time
[23:53] <BloodyC0bbler> because I can't
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[23:53] <BloodyC0bbler> be killed in one night
01[23:53] <ON|FF6> shit
[23:53] <BloodyC0bbler> -_-
01[23:53] <ON|FF6> though
01[23:53] <ON|FF6> Curu
01[23:53] <ON|FF6> you missed
01[23:53] <ON|FF6> a fuckton
01[23:53] <ON|FF6> seriously
01[23:53] <ON|FF6> like
01[23:53] <ON|FF6> a metric fuckton
[23:53] <Curu> lol
[23:53] <BloodyC0bbler> also
[23:53] <BloodyC0bbler> ON
[23:53] <Curu> well post the log please
01[23:53] <ON|FF6> ill get to
01[23:53] <ON|FF6> it
[23:53] <ghrur> I understand that, but I'm saying if DrH is here to relay the info to Syllo and he's mafia, Syllo might not even react that much
[23:53] <BloodyC0bbler> no one has claimed
[23:53] <Curu> i got off irc when it was ghrur talking to BC about cooking
[23:53] <BloodyC0bbler> rb
[23:54] <BloodyC0bbler> for 2 night cycles
[23:54] <BloodyC0bbler> lol
[23:54] <Curu> drh claimed it didnt he
01[23:54] <ON|FF6> did anyone claimed RB
[23:54] <Curu> the cycle before mig died
01[23:54] <ON|FF6> DoctorHelvetica
01[23:54] <ON|FF6> did you get Rbed again?
01[23:54] <ON|FF6> when mig died
01[23:54] <ON|FF6> who got RBed
01[23:54] <ON|FF6> ffs
[23:54] <BloodyC0bbler> i got rb'd the night before
[23:54] <BloodyC0bbler> munk-e
[23:54] <BloodyC0bbler> died
[23:54] <BloodyC0bbler> then
[23:54] <BloodyC0bbler> reddff
[23:54] <BloodyC0bbler> was shot
[23:54] <BloodyC0bbler> no rb claim
[23:54] <BloodyC0bbler> we lynched ym
[23:54] <BloodyC0bbler> mig shot
[23:54] <BloodyC0bbler> no claim still
[23:54] <Curu> right
[23:55] <BloodyC0bbler> it seems like
[23:55] <BloodyC0bbler> mafia is holding onto it
[23:55] <BloodyC0bbler> to shoot someone
[23:55] <BloodyC0bbler> last minute with it
[23:55] <BloodyC0bbler> ie one of the real vets
[23:55] <Curu> they probably dont want to confirm people being blocked
[23:55] <ghrur> It could be mafia is rb+shooting together
[23:55] <ghrur> because they know we only have vets
[23:55] <Curu> becaue if they know everyone is vet
[23:55] <Curu> no point blockign
01[23:55] <ON|FF6> thats the likely scenario
01[23:55] <ON|FF6> just block and stack a shot
01[23:55] <ON|FF6> on everyone
[23:55] <BloodyC0bbler> yea
01[23:55] <ON|FF6> to make sure
[23:55] <ghrur> Yeah
[23:55] <Curu> so wait whats the topic
[23:55] <Curu> of discussion
01[23:55] <ON|FF6> Ok
01[23:55] <ON|FF6> heres the lowdown
01[23:56] <ON|FF6> in very little detail
01[23:56] <ON|FF6> We think
01[23:56] <ON|FF6> Taa/Chaos13
01[23:56] <ON|FF6> is one member
01[23:56] <ON|FF6> and Syllo/DrH
01[23:56] <ON|FF6> is the other
[23:56] <BloodyC0bbler> is the other
01[23:56] <ON|FF6> Syllo is heavily leading
01[23:56] <ON|FF6> on that side
01[23:56] <ON|FF6> Lucidity
01[23:56] <ON|FF6> is likely town
[23:56] <Curu> syllo due to what?
01[23:56] <ON|FF6> open your eyes
01[23:56] <ON|FF6> he does
01[23:56] <ON|FF6> NOTHING
01[23:56] <ON|FF6> at all
[23:56] <alanismorisette> k i gotta software update
01[23:56] <ON|FF6> Flys under the radar
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01[23:56] <ON|FF6> 24/7
01[23:56] <ON|FF6> busses teammates
[23:56] <BloodyC0bbler> but is somehow
01[23:56] <ON|FF6> takes credit
[23:56] <ghrur> He tags onto Mig as his partner
[23:56] <BloodyC0bbler> confirmed
[23:56] <BloodyC0bbler> as town
[23:56] <Curu> thing is
01[23:57] <ON|FF6> He was never shot
[23:57] <Curu> mig claimed vet to syllo day 1
01[23:57] <ON|FF6> So what
01[23:57] <ON|FF6> its called
01[23:57] <ON|FF6> WIFOM
01[23:57] <ON|FF6> why would you blow your cover like that
01[23:57] <ON|FF6> mig told me
01[23:57] <ON|FF6> he claimed to syllo
[23:57] <Curu> i dunno, i mentioned it to mig
01[23:57] <ON|FF6> before N1 ended
[23:57] <Curu> that syllo wasnt doing shit
01[23:57] <ON|FF6> incase he died
[23:57] <ghrur> ON, what made you think lucid is town?
01[23:57] <ON|FF6> Because it doesnt fit
01[23:57] <ON|FF6> if hes mafia
[23:57] <Curu> at the time he told me he has a storng town read on syllo
[23:57] <Curu> strong
01[23:57] <ON|FF6> Mafia is two things
[23:57] <ghrur> Okay
[23:57] <Curu> based on their skype chats
[23:57] <BloodyC0bbler> lucidity
01[23:57] <ON|FF6> its a logical analyzation of behaviour
01[23:57] <ON|FF6> and a puzzle
[23:57] <BloodyC0bbler> is far too willing to die
[23:58] <BloodyC0bbler> to prove another vet
[23:58] <BloodyC0bbler> lives
01[23:58] <ON|FF6> thats the behaviour portion
01[23:58] <ON|FF6> the puzzle portion is
01[23:58] <ON|FF6> it just doesnt fit
01[23:58] <ON|FF6> the circle
01[23:58] <ON|FF6> does not go in
01[23:58] <ON|FF6> the triangle
[23:58] <ghrur> I see
01[23:58] <ON|FF6> no matter how hard the monkey pushes
01[23:58] <ON|FF6> its going to be wrong
01[23:58] <ON|FF6> even if the circle dies
01[23:58] <ON|FF6> its just proven
01[23:58] <ON|FF6> to be wronger
01[23:59] <ON|FF6> at least
01[23:59] <ON|FF6> thats my bad analogy
[23:59] <BloodyC0bbler> of the circle
[23:59] <BloodyC0bbler> if we lynch
[23:59] <BloodyC0bbler> for an informant
[23:59] <BloodyC0bbler> based on chain of lynches of claims or the like
[23:59] <BloodyC0bbler> ignoring behaviour
[23:59] <BloodyC0bbler> lucidity > me > drH > syllo
[23:59] <BloodyC0bbler> in terms of vets
[23:59] <BloodyC0bbler> if you follow tha tline
[23:59] <BloodyC0bbler> which we were thinking at one point
[23:59] <BloodyC0bbler> if we do that
[23:59] <BloodyC0bbler> and syllo is red
Session Time: Tue Aug 09 00:00:00 2011
[00:00] <BloodyC0bbler> town loses
[00:00] <BloodyC0bbler> if I was red, id never have rb'd myself
[00:00] <BloodyC0bbler> id have taken the shot
[00:00] <BloodyC0bbler> to "confirm" myself
[00:00] <BloodyC0bbler> lucidity isn't going to run into a situation that will get himself killed.....i think?
[00:00] <ghrur> "taken"
[00:00] <BloodyC0bbler> and of drH and syllo
[00:01] <BloodyC0bbler> drH has done far more
[00:01] <BloodyC0bbler> townlike behaviour
[00:03] <ghrur> BC, what was your confirmed town list?
[00:03] <BloodyC0bbler> and everyones gone -_-
01[00:03] <ON|FF6> Curu
01[00:03] <ON|FF6> is bitching at me
01[00:03] <ON|FF6> in PMs
01[00:03] <ON|FF6> sorry
[00:03] <ghrur> ???
01[00:03] <ON|FF6> He still thinks BC is scum
01[00:04] <ON|FF6> btw
[00:04] <ghrur> Does he disagree? I had a conversation with Curu about Syllo being scum before BC even contacted me about it
[00:04] <BloodyC0bbler> ghrur, curu, kenpachi, ON, drazerk, bartundar
[00:04] <BloodyC0bbler> and myself
[00:04] <BloodyC0bbler> everyone always thinks im scum -_-
[00:05] <ghrur> Ty
[00:06] <BloodyC0bbler> i think one of taa/chaos13
[00:06] <BloodyC0bbler> is scum
[00:06] <ghrur> You know what's the weirdest thing?
[00:06] <BloodyC0bbler> which would clear the other
[00:06] <BloodyC0bbler> ?
[00:06] <BloodyC0bbler> and I think of the remaining 4 players
[00:06] <BloodyC0bbler> drH / syllo makes most sense
[00:06] <ghrur> Syllo mentioned right before the Munk-E lynch that 5 vets would be impossibly imbalanced
[00:06] <ghrur> Munk-E got lynched
[00:06] <ghrur> if he just accepts the 4 vets
[00:06] <ghrur> then clearly it's 5 vets
[00:06] <ghrur> yet he never talks about it
[00:06] <BloodyC0bbler> hmm
[00:07] <ghrur> Not much to add. 5 vets would be absurd even with 2 RBs ##vote Munk-E
[00:07] <ghrur> Then never mentions the vet problem again
[00:07] <BloodyC0bbler> especially
[00:07] <BloodyC0bbler> with
[00:07] <BloodyC0bbler> lucidity claiming
[00:07] <BloodyC0bbler> right after
[00:07] <ghrur> Exactly
[00:07] <ghrur> you would think if he were a vet, he'd be the one going WTF most
[00:07] <ghrur> Especially since he made that claim
[00:07] <BloodyC0bbler> i told mig if we had a fake claimer in the vets
[00:08] <BloodyC0bbler> its one of syllo/mig/drh/me
[00:08] <BloodyC0bbler> no idea if he talked to anyone about it though
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[00:11] <ghrur> Why haven't mafia claimed RB?
[00:12] <BloodyC0bbler> let people forget about it
[00:12] <BloodyC0bbler> use it to cap a vet
[00:12] <ghrur> It would make them so much more "town" if they did. It would also cause distrust for BC/Kenpachi.
[00:13] <BloodyC0bbler> yea
[00:13] <ghrur> Or... it could be because they've already claimed to have taken a hit
[00:13] <BloodyC0bbler> only reason drH could be red in my head
[00:13] <BloodyC0bbler> is that entire
[00:13] <BloodyC0bbler> shooting into the med shit
[00:13] <BloodyC0bbler> as red if i fired into it, id make sure I as the red member would "take" the hit
[00:13] <BloodyC0bbler> i assume he would do the same
[00:14] <ghrur> I agree
[00:14] <BloodyC0bbler> although keeping him + mig alive together
[00:14] <BloodyC0bbler> would let him live longer
[00:14] <BloodyC0bbler> since they both took hits
[00:14] <BloodyC0bbler> and Mig was solidly town in everyones eyes
[00:14] <BloodyC0bbler> and trusted drH
[00:16] <BloodyC0bbler> seriously ON and curu -_-
[00:16] <BloodyC0bbler> talk in here
[00:16] <ghrur> BC, would you prefer us to lynch one of TAA/chaos tomorrow or DrH/Syllo?
[00:16] <BloodyC0bbler> especially you curu
[00:16] <ghrur> Which pair do you find scummier?
01[00:17] <ON|FF6> My pick
01[00:17] <ON|FF6> is Taa/Syllo
01[00:17] <ON|FF6> atm
01[00:17] <ON|FF6> Syllo more sure
[00:17] <BloodyC0bbler> hmm, honestly. It doesn't matter at this point. Of the groups syllo/drH is deadlier but taa/chaos has a higher chance of easily picking a red
[00:17] <ghrur> Well, if you were to push, which one?
[00:17] <BloodyC0bbler> call it also a matter of life preservation
[00:18] <BloodyC0bbler> but if we lynch syllo and he dies and flips town
[00:18] <BloodyC0bbler> im next on the block
[00:19] <Curu> from thread presence chaos looks the worst to me
01[00:19] <ON|FF6> agreed
01[00:19] <ON|FF6> but
01[00:20] <ON|FF6> Syllo/Chaos
[00:20] <BloodyC0bbler> of taa and syllo, I can make a better analysis
01[00:20] <ON|FF6> both have shit thread presence
[00:20] <BloodyC0bbler> of taa
[00:20] <BloodyC0bbler> than syllo
01[00:20] <ON|FF6> taa we can also push him for LaL
01[00:20] <ON|FF6> along with all the scummy shit
[00:20] <BloodyC0bbler> taa is also the only person that in any way
[00:20] <BloodyC0bbler> remotely explains the shot on troske
[00:20] <Curu> im not down for a policy lynch on like
[00:20] <BloodyC0bbler> aside from
[00:20] <Curu> what is it
[00:20] <Curu> day 5 or something?
[00:20] <BloodyC0bbler> sevryn
01[00:20] <ON|FF6> Yeah
01[00:20] <ON|FF6> Remember
01[00:20] <ON|FF6> Trotske and Sevryn
01[00:20] <ON|FF6> are also twins
01[00:20] <ON|FF6> lol
[00:20] <BloodyC0bbler> yea
01[00:21] <ON|FF6> and if my bro was playing mafia
01[00:21] <ON|FF6> and i was scum
01[00:21] <ON|FF6> id fucking shoot him
01[00:21] <ON|FF6> no questions
[00:21] <Kenpachi_> so evil
[00:21] <BloodyC0bbler> so would I
[00:21] <BloodyC0bbler> lol
01[00:21] <ON|FF6> its not that im scared of him
01[00:21] <ON|FF6> but
01[00:21] <ON|FF6> I dont want to talk to him about it
01[00:21] <ON|FF6> until hes dead
01[00:22] <ON|FF6> and i dont want an irl slip
01[00:22] <ON|FF6> and im a fucking bad lier
01[00:22] <ON|FF6> IRL
[00:22] <BloodyC0bbler> lol
[00:22] <Kenpachi_> I TALKED TO MY BRO GUYS
[00:22] <Kenpachi_> HE SLIPPED
01[00:22] <ON|FF6> lololol
01[00:22] <ON|FF6> In all honesty
01[00:22] <ON|FF6> of someone said that
01[00:22] <ON|FF6> and it was proven they were related
01[00:22] <ON|FF6> id believe it
01[00:22] <ON|FF6> >_<
[00:22] <Kenpachi_> lol
01[00:22] <ON|FF6> assuming
01[00:22] <ON|FF6> there was history in thread too
01[00:22] <ON|FF6> but its pretty damning
01[00:23] <ON|FF6> when your family member comes in thread
01[00:23] <ON|FF6> and says
01[00:23] <ON|FF6> oh
01[00:23] <ON|FF6> i brought up mafia with XXX over dinner
01[00:23] <ON|FF6> he totally slipped
[00:23] <BloodyC0bbler> lol
[00:23] <BloodyC0bbler> well you know of the two
[00:23] <BloodyC0bbler> you juet net a red
01[00:23] <ON|FF6> and you were already in hot shit
[00:23] <BloodyC0bbler> just*
01[00:23] <ON|FF6> yeah
01[00:23] <ON|FF6> id be amazed
01[00:23] <ON|FF6> if coag outed jackal like that
01[00:23] <ON|FF6> tbh
[00:24] <Kenpachi_> do they know each other?
01[00:24] <ON|FF6> Jackal
01[00:24] <ON|FF6> is coags dad
01[00:24] <ON|FF6> lol
[00:24] <alanismorisette> lo
[00:24] <Kenpachi_> wtf
[00:24] <BloodyC0bbler> coag is jackals kid
[00:24] <Kenpachi_> lOL
[00:24] <BloodyC0bbler> lol
[00:24] <Kenpachi_> im
[00:24] <alanismorisette> did u not know that?
[00:24] <Kenpachi_> an idiot
[00:24] <Kenpachi_> i didnt know
[00:24] <BloodyC0bbler> -_-
01[00:24] <ON|FF6> My brother
[00:24] <Curu> what
[00:24] <ghrur> Huh
01[00:24] <ON|FF6> wants to play
[00:24] <alanismorisette> jackal is like 90
[00:24] <BloodyC0bbler> so question becomes
[00:24] <BloodyC0bbler> ON
01[00:24] <ON|FF6> his scumslip profile
01[00:24] <ON|FF6> said 52
[00:24] <BloodyC0bbler> do we
[00:24] <BloodyC0bbler> push
01[00:24] <ON|FF6> i think
[00:24] <ghrur> I did not know that
01[00:24] <ON|FF6> lol
[00:24] <alanismorisette> jackal fought in the civil war
[00:24] <BloodyC0bbler> syllo
[00:24] <BloodyC0bbler> or taa?
01[00:24] <ON|FF6> Syllo
01[00:24] <ON|FF6> most definitly
[00:24] <Curu> so red
[00:24] <Curu> since you know him
[00:25] <Curu> why doesnt coag actually post in the games hes in
[00:25] <Kenpachi_> what a baller jackal is
[00:25] <alanismorisette> coag is ok
[00:25] <alanismorisette> he can be good
01[00:25] <ON|FF6> Coag is good
01[00:25] <ON|FF6> when he trys
[00:25] <BloodyC0bbler> coag got roasted
[00:25] <BloodyC0bbler> the last time
01[00:25] <ON|FF6> and doesnt let his ego get in the way
[00:25] <BloodyC0bbler> he played and posted alot
[00:25] <alanismorisette> he was really active in this pm game me and jackal played with him
[00:25] <alanismorisette> and we were scum
01[00:25] <ON|FF6> He got roasted as gf
[00:25] <alanismorisette> and he got elected mayor day 1
01[00:25] <ON|FF6> by fw and those guys
[00:25] <alanismorisette> and i
01[00:25] <ON|FF6> so he just said fuck it
01[00:25] <ON|FF6> lol
[00:25] <BloodyC0bbler> honestly
[00:25] <alanismorisette> threw my support behind him
[00:25] <BloodyC0bbler> he should never have been made
[00:25] <alanismorisette> and claimed vet
[00:25] <BloodyC0bbler> gf
[00:25] <BloodyC0bbler> that game
[00:26] <BloodyC0bbler> -_-
[00:26] <alanismorisette> and he made be his bodyguard
[00:26] <ghrur> Honestly, Chaos/Syllo team makes sense
[00:26] <Curu> in the 3 games ive played with him he actually has like 10 posts combined maybe
01[00:26] <ON|FF6> Coag shouldnt be GF
[00:26] <alanismorisette> and treated me like a confirmed townie
[00:26] <BloodyC0bbler> it does ghrur
01[00:26] <ON|FF6> actually
01[00:26] <ON|FF6> its ok
01[00:26] <ON|FF6> because I would check coag
01[00:26] <ON|FF6> in a heartbeat
[00:26] <BloodyC0bbler> so does taa/syllo to a degree
01[00:26] <ON|FF6> cause hes hard to analyse
[00:26] <alanismorisette> yeah coag is hard to read
[00:26] <ghrur> I don't think so
[00:26] <Curu> so someone explain to me how syllo
[00:26] <ghrur> Syllo is smart to have set this shit up
[00:26] <Curu> became the confirmed mafia
[00:26] <Curu> in here
01[00:26] <ON|FF6> hes not confirmed
[00:26] <Kenpachi_> wait
01[00:26] <ON|FF6> hes just
[00:26] <Kenpachi_> i never knew that
[00:26] <ghrur> He wouldn't let TAA make such a dumbass move would he?
01[00:26] <ON|FF6> more likely
[00:26] <Kenpachi_> jackal = coags dad
[00:26] <Kenpachi_> my mind is blown
01[00:26] <ON|FF6> yes
01[00:27] <ON|FF6> back to topic
01[00:27] <ON|FF6> Curu
01[00:27] <ON|FF6> wants ot know
01[00:27] <ON|FF6> why syllo is mafia
[00:27] <alanismorisette> lol curu
[00:27] <ghrur> Well, first one to bring up the idea of "missing a hit" when most would've assumed stacking hits instead
[00:27] <alanismorisette> that post is funny
[00:27] <ghrur> And he basically tags onto Mig
[00:27] <alanismorisette> dead redff is the MOST ACTIVE PERSON
[00:27] <ghrur> and claims credit
[00:27] <ghrur> He also never mentioned the 5 vet stuff again
[00:28] <ghrur> despite it being his basis for attacking Munk-E
[00:28] <alanismorisette> so what about that ff6 ay
[00:28] <ghrur> He pushed both Munk-E and YM push with little analysis
01[00:28] <ON|FF6> zozo
01[00:28] <ON|FF6> is a fucking bith
01[00:28] <ON|FF6> bitch
01[00:28] <ON|FF6> that is all
[00:28] <Curu> thats somewhat understandable
[00:28] <Curu> though
[00:28] <Curu> i was sure ym was scum
[00:28] <ghrur> Yeah
[00:28] <Curu> how the hell does a townie hav ea scumslip
01[00:28] <ON|FF6> we all kinda were
[00:28] <Curu> how is that evne possible
01[00:28] <ON|FF6> it wasnt a slip tojugh
01[00:28] <ON|FF6> i argued that
01[00:28] <ON|FF6> the entire time
[00:28] <BloodyC0bbler> curu
[00:28] <alanismorisette> Curu: it wastna scum slip
01[00:29] <ON|FF6> its why i was still unsure
[00:29] <BloodyC0bbler> did you read fw's last game he hosted?
06[00:29] * alanismorisette is dead
[00:29] <Curu> he came in and basically posted 100% exactly how mafia would post regarding the godfather
[00:29] <BloodyC0bbler> ym was wrong
[00:29] <BloodyC0bbler> about every single
[00:29] <BloodyC0bbler> person in fw's game
[00:29] <BloodyC0bbler> and he was town
[00:29] <Kenpachi_> lol
01[00:29] <ON|FF6> Ym
01[00:29] <ON|FF6> is not very good
[00:29] <BloodyC0bbler> he tunnels
01[00:29] <ON|FF6> thats the fact
[00:29] <BloodyC0bbler> and defends
[00:29] <BloodyC0bbler> based on gut reads
[00:29] <BloodyC0bbler> he doesnt step back
[00:30] <BloodyC0bbler> and think shit through
[00:30] <alanismorisette> <3 yn
[00:30] <alanismorisette> *ym
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[00:31] <Curu_> k so
[00:31] <Curu_> my interent is shit
[00:31] <Curu_> i missed everything after
[00:31] <Curu_> [01:29] <BloodyC0bbler> about every single [01:29] <BloodyC0bbler> person in fw's game
[00:31] <Kenpachi_> all you missed was
[00:32] <Kenpachi_> that ym is bad
[00:32] <Curu_> k
[00:32] <Curu_> im still waiting for
[00:32] <Curu_> the syllo scum
[00:32] <Curu_> thing
[00:33] <ghrur> T_T I thought I laid it out well

01[00:33] <ON|FF6> [00:27] <ghrur> and claims credit
01[00:33] <ON|FF6> [00:27] <ghrur> He also never mentioned the 5 vet stuff again
01[00:33] <ON|FF6> [00:28] <ghrur> despite it being his basis for attacking Munk-E
[00:33] <Curu_> oh
01[00:33] <ON|FF6> Thats part
[00:33] <Curu_> right
01[00:33] <ON|FF6> along with
[00:33] <Curu_> that part
[00:33] <Curu_> ok
01[00:33] <ON|FF6> the lurking
01[00:33] <ON|FF6> and the other shit
01[00:33] <ON|FF6> he also pushes
01[00:33] <ON|FF6> a mislynch
01[00:33] <ON|FF6> and not really anything else
01[00:33] <ON|FF6> for the record
[00:33] <BloodyC0bbler> curu
01[00:33] <ON|FF6> its not like we didnt either
[00:33] <BloodyC0bbler> has syllo talked to you at all?
[00:33] <ghrur> Furthermore, BC and I talked about something, about how if we started arguing about it it would primarily be BC/DrH arguing and Syllo would sit in the background
[00:33] <BloodyC0bbler> yea
[00:33] <BloodyC0bbler> after lucidity is lynched if you lynch vet cflaims
[00:33] <BloodyC0bbler> if he flips town
[00:34] <BloodyC0bbler> drH and I would be up next
[00:34] <BloodyC0bbler> arguing
[00:34] <BloodyC0bbler> on who should go first
[00:34] <Curu_> so you guys want syllo as todays lynch?
[00:34] <ghrur> Meanwhile Syllo's the only one who hasn't claimed to be hit/RBed
[00:34] <alanismorisette> http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/40_year_old_spartan.jpg
01[00:35] <ON|FF6> curu
01[00:35] <ON|FF6> it would clear alot of shit
01[00:35] <ON|FF6> up
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01[00:35] <ON|FF6> fuck
[00:35] <Curu_> im here
01[00:35] <ON|FF6> oh
[00:35] <Curu_> thats my dced on
01[00:35] <ON|FF6> mmk
[00:35] <Curu_> one
[00:35] <Kenpachi_> but then guys
[00:35] <Kenpachi_> if we lynch syllo
[00:35] <Kenpachi_> and he flips vet
[00:35] <Kenpachi_> what are we going to do
[00:35] <ghrur> lynch drh/bc
01[00:35] <ON|FF6> come back
01[00:35] <ON|FF6> and have
01[00:35] <ON|FF6> DrH
01[00:35] <ON|FF6> and BC
01[00:35] <ON|FF6> argue out
01[00:35] <ON|FF6> why the other is town or scum
[00:35] <Kenpachi_> oh goody
01[00:36] <ON|FF6> I want each otehr
[00:36] <BloodyC0bbler> lol
[00:36] <BloodyC0bbler> if syllo
01[00:36] <ON|FF6> at their fucking throats
[00:36] <BloodyC0bbler> flips
01[00:36] <ON|FF6> if they are sum
[00:36] <BloodyC0bbler> vet
[00:36] <BloodyC0bbler> lynch me
[00:36] <Kenpachi_> 4 hands at bc's through
[00:36] <BloodyC0bbler> i've essentially started most of the "lets hit syllo" wagon
[00:36] <Kenpachi_> throut*
[00:36] <Kenpachi_> thraot
[00:36] <Kenpachi_> fuck
[00:36] <Kenpachi_> my spelling
[00:36] <BloodyC0bbler> so if hes vet
[00:36] <Kenpachi_> throat
[00:36] <BloodyC0bbler> im fucked
[00:36] <Kenpachi_> if we only had a vig or dt
[00:36] <Curu_> im cool with that
[00:36] <Kenpachi_> this game would be ez
[00:37] <BloodyC0bbler> which means guys, if this goes south
[00:37] <BloodyC0bbler> I apologize
01[00:37] <ON|FF6> I dont think
01[00:37] <ON|FF6> this will go south
01[00:37] <ON|FF6> this is the feeling i get
[00:38] <ghrur> Same
01[00:38] <ON|FF6> when i think i find scum
01[00:38] <ON|FF6> its like that tightness
01[00:38] <ON|FF6> you know your not sure
01[00:38] <ON|FF6> but yet
01[00:38] <ON|FF6> you know deep down
01[00:38] <ON|FF6> its true
[00:38] <BloodyC0bbler> eh, when jeejee claimed med
[00:38] <BloodyC0bbler> i wasnt sure
[00:38] <BloodyC0bbler> at all
[00:38] <ghrur> Oh, huh, well, I never have that feeling because I might be bad lol
[00:38] <BloodyC0bbler> -_-
01[00:38] <ON|FF6> the biggest thing about scum
01[00:38] <ON|FF6> is that
[00:38] <BloodyC0bbler> until jeejee's claim
[00:38] <BloodyC0bbler> I was like
01[00:38] <ON|FF6> If your 100% sure
[00:38] <BloodyC0bbler> so sure he was red
01[00:38] <ON|FF6> you better have damn good reasonig
[00:38] <BloodyC0bbler> the moment he said im med
[00:39] <BloodyC0bbler> I was like
[00:39] <BloodyC0bbler> "do we have 4 vets?"
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[00:39] <Curu> holy
[00:39] <Curu> fuck
[00:39] <ghrur> lol
[00:39] <BloodyC0bbler> and im going to the bathroom
[00:39] <BloodyC0bbler> brb
[00:40] <alanismorisette> lol curu l2internet
01[00:41] <ON|FF6> i swear to fucking god
01[00:41] <ON|FF6> if i get one more
01[00:41] <ON|FF6> random encounter
01[00:41] <ON|FF6> in this fucking town
01[00:41] <ON|FF6> i will flip
01[00:41] <ON|FF6> im 3 steps from the entrance
01[00:41] <ON|FF6> and have gotten 2 in a row
[00:41] <alanismorisette> :D:D:D::D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
[00:41] <alanismorisette> good ol jrpgs
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[00:43] <Curu_> cool beans
01[00:44] <ON|FF6> so
01[00:44] <ON|FF6> Have we decided
01[00:44] <ON|FF6> on Syllo?
01[00:45] <ON|FF6> also
01[00:45] <ON|FF6> BC
01[00:45] <ON|FF6> can you post logs
[00:45] <ghrur> Convinced yet curu? :p
01[00:45] <ON|FF6> because i always fucking post them
01[00:45] <ON|FF6> and i want to go to sleep
[00:45] <ghrur> You mean play FF6
01[00:45] <ON|FF6> fuck you
01[00:45] <ON|FF6>

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[00:46] <Curu__> omg
01[00:46] <ON|FF6> im at the opera scene
01[00:46] <ON|FF6> >_<
[00:46] <Curu__> why bring up the syllo case just now though
[00:46] <Curu__> a
[00:46] <Curu__> im going to be randomly typing a
[00:46] <Curu__> to make sure i havent dced
01[00:46] <ON|FF6> alright
01[00:46] <ON|FF6> well
01[00:46] <ON|FF6> mostly
01[00:46] <ON|FF6> because we tunnel visioned
01[00:46] <ON|FF6> onto Munk-E/YM
[00:47] <alanismorisette> a
[00:47] <alanismorisette> a
01[00:47] <ON|FF6> in hindisight

OriginalName

Canada1140 Posts

August 09 2011 07:16 GMT

#932

Today I realized I swear an atrocious amount late at night...

Barundar

Denmark1582 Posts

August 09 2011 08:39 GMT

#933

I'm not ready to lynch into the town circle just because of a few mislynches. Fact is the medic plan worked, and scum was already in an unfavorable position, so I doubt they intentionally screwed up a kill. Syllo, I would like you to be more active in thread with reads though, been excusing you because it seemed like you worked closely with mig behind the scenes.

I still think we are dealing with a relatively inexperienced mafia team. Hitting Troske and redFF, roleblocking kenpachi, not roleblocking their target points toward newer players.

My suspect list:
Sevryn: Invisible poster, who has failed to give mafia/town reads but pops up after day post. Called out but continued to be invisible. Has connection to Troske.

chaos13: His day 1 play is the most incriminating part about him, he changed opinion between varp and drazerk in around 45 minutes based on meta analysis. Up untill that point he found both scummy, but he would just rather vote for dazerk.

Lucidity: Scum didn't try to push his lynch day 1 when varp was under fire, claims veteran but insist one of the other veterans has to be fake claiming.

At the moment I'm leaning lucidity.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

August 09 2011 09:02 GMT

#934

I spent the whole game basically talking to Mig and pretty much lost interest after day 2 due to there being little to analyze in the thread. As such, not particularly interested in defending myself either, I'll just note that it would take an absolutely ridiculous scum gambit for me to be mafia, given I knew everything Mig knew, starting from day 1. This includes his role, his thinking and all the claims he got. I would have had to waste both day 1, day 2 and even day 3 NKs (they were all awful), just for some absurd plan to win the game like a week later. On Day 1 I couldn't have even known if there's a DT or night vig in the game, making it even more ridiculous. Same line of reasoning applies to BC and DrH, but to a lesser extent as they got the relevant information later. I was suggesting Jeejee (and he agreed) quite early into day 1 and similarly agreed with his points on Varpulis.

Barundar

Denmark1582 Posts

August 09 2011 09:16 GMT

#935

syllo whats your thoughts on todays lynch?

Lucidity

South Africa603 Posts

August 09 2011 09:24 GMT

#936

On August 09 2011 13:09 OriginalName wrote:
Lucidity:

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Backs mafia plan, when reasonable evidence is posed against it trys to keep it moving by antagonizing DrH.

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As soon as he realizes its not going through posts a lame excuse to his change of heart. Keeps on pushing Red after a somewhat decent analysis is posted on him. (Red was Town btw).

Show nested quote +

TRYS TO STYM IN THREAD DISSCUSSION.

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On August 07 2011 03:02 Lucidity wrote:
I've got stuff to do and places to be. So:
+ Show Spoiler +

Sheeping.

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I point back to D2. Uses past games as reasons and he slips through again.

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HOLY SHIT SHEEP MORE.

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Fakeclaim moar.

I find Lucid Scummy.

I can't tell if this is a joke or not... If you're being serious I'll reply to it. Please let me know.

Lucidity

South Africa603 Posts

August 09 2011 09:33 GMT

#937

I think we need to lynch the 2nd last scum before we go into the Vets. It's more likely that the scum without RB took the risk in fakeclaiming. If we lynch the RB, our Vets have power again, which will help in the end game when he can't night kill. There's no way we have 6 Vets, so 1 Vet is definitely scum. I was sure YM would flip scum and then we would be lynching Vets from now on, starting with me and ending with Mig -.-

Filter Drazerk's posts. It doesn't even make up one page and most of it is 1 liner spam. He claimed that his lurking on Day 1 was part of a plan to trap the scum (no one confirmed this?), but he hasn't changed his behaviour since then either. He hasn't been AFK the whole time, he is literally lurking. He should be high on the list of lynch candidates. A lurky scum would complement an active fake claim Vet-scum too.

Drazerk

United Kingdom31255 Posts

August 09 2011 09:46 GMT

#938

On August 09 2011 18:33 Lucidity wrote:
I think we need to lynch the 2nd last scum before we go into the Vets. It's more likely that the scum without RB took the risk in fakeclaiming. If we lynch the RB, our Vets have power again, which will help in the end game when he can't night kill. There's no way we have 6 Vets, so 1 Vet is definitely scum. I was sure YM would flip scum and then we would be lynching Vets from now on, starting with me and ending with Mig -.-

Filter Drazerk's posts. It doesn't even make up one page and most of it is 1 liner spam. He claimed that his lurking on Day 1 was part of a plan to trap the scum (YM / Mig confirmed this ), but he hasn't changed his behaviour since then either. He hasn't been AFK the whole time, he is literally lurking. He should be high on the list of lynch candidates. A lurky scum would complement an active fake claim Vet-scum too.

Ill kill myself before lylo - After we lynch you and chaos.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

August 09 2011 09:49 GMT

#939

On August 09 2011 18:16 Barundar wrote:
syllo whats your thoughts on todays lynch?

I stopped taking notes a while ago, but I still find it unlikely the scum team is Jeejee/Varp/2 newer players, while our vets are BC,Mig,DrH,me,Munk-e. I don't care how much host claims it was RNGed, it just looks so unbalanced. If one of the original 4 vets is fake claiming, it's BC. The hits have been awful, however, which does somewhat suggest that a weaker scum team is a possibility. I don't understand why Lucid would have claimed vet when we were about to lynch Munk-e, who he as scum would know was going to flip vet. Could just be poor play, but that's pushing it.

I would lynch Chaos13 today. Sevryn is a tempting alternative, in the light of the Trotsky hit, but he has a few posts that look towny to me when made by a newer player. Following that, I think we have to deal with the vet issue. Would Ver/Qatol really approve a setup with 6 vets, even with 2 RBs?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

August 09 2011 09:58 GMT

#940

It's worth noting that the fact mafia hasn't been interested in killing the vets is suspicious by itself, because if we lynch their second RBer, the game would be basically over with that many vets alive. We don't really have confirmed townies outside the circle, so keeping the vets alive just to arouse suspicion doesn't make sense. Perhaps mafia considered redff confirmed due to him being told about the plan by ON, however.

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