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On August 02 2011 07:32 Drazerk wrote: While a good thread presence is needed I still think you can do most of the legwork in IRC / PM. My only issue will be if people just vote for no reason and say - IRC discussion. If your going to vote / spout accusations you make all your posts clear in thread and don't use PMs as an easy method to bandwagon. Anyone who is scared of PMing / joining in IRC discussion should be put under the spot light it is actually one of our greatest tools as town and avoiding them gives scum a huge advantage. Also I agree with Sand's plan. The sooner we have confirmed town players the better. Notice the bold. On August 02 2011 08:41 Drazerk wrote: ##Vote RedFF Opposing sand's plan with no real reasons while defending himself like a mad man in IRC when he has no real reason to defend himself yet. LOLWUT. My only issue will be if people just vote for no reason and say - IRC discussion. If your going to vote / spout accusations you make all your posts clear in thread and don't use PMs as an easy method to bandwagon. Massive contradiction within first 2 posts of the game... That said, I find BC's post scummy too On August 03 2011 11:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: At the moment I am not feeling either Varp lynch or the lucidity lynch. Factor in both at the moment are being more active than most players in the game, I would be more inclined to at least let them live another cycle. I however don't like when players come in to hop on bandwagons or attempt to start them then vanish. It irks me completely. As such, until Drazerk comes back into the thread to at least play / explain his inactivity I suggest we move our lynch to him. I would rather lynch someone appearing scummy / useless than someone who is being linked as scummy and is active. Their activity will help clear / damn them whereas inactivity doesn't give us dick all to work with. He's not giving real reasons why he doesn't like the Varp or Lucid lynch, just vague like they are kind of active. Then he just that we move our lynch to Drazerk, because he's lurking/useless. Once again no real reasoning. The most damning thing here tho imo is that he hasn't even voted for Drazerk, yet subtly started a bandwagon on him that 2 people have now jumped on and voted him. This makes me anxious of BC because it's exactly the kind of thing mafia would do. FOS | ||
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On August 04 2011 03:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: shinbi had no scum leanings, then in 10 hours without posting serious reasons he sheeps onto something I say to try and force a bandwagon on a player? Not only that, rather than push said bandwagon with any conviction, he makes his move then vanishes from the thread completely since. As such, until he reappears to explain his actions I am throwing my vote there. vote jeejee k so you subtly suggest that we should swing a lynch off of one player onto another, but don't actually vote for the person you suggest lynching. Then you vote for the first person who, giving reasons, votes for the person you suggest? Am i missing something here? | ||
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On August 04 2011 07:04 Lucidity wrote: !@#$ You know you can just say fuck right? | ||
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On August 04 2011 07:21 ghrur wrote: Don't be a pessimist. I support the shooting of JeeJee why? | ||
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Well Curu brought it up to be fair | ||
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On August 02 2011 08:50 ghrur wrote: Okay, so we weight the benefits of confirmed townie vs possibly hitting a townie. Confirmed townie is definitely better. Have you heard how Ace talked about Masons in that Mafias #1 targets thread? It's because they're confirmed so easily. A confirmed townie is valuable, and that's just 1 person less to shoot at. Furthermore, even hitting a townie can give us a lot of information for our first official lynch. It also gives us new information to re-evaluate our thoughts. If he dies because mafia stacks, all the better. This means, if we miss, we killed 1 extra townie day 1, but also saved 1 extra townie night 1. Pretty even. If the Day Vig doesn't shoot, there is a chance that he gets sniped night 1, especially with all the talk about him. I think it's beneficial to have him shoot. The problem is... is there a Day Vig? o.O K so he's for the plan, but he WANTS TO LYNCH FOR INFORMATION. NEVER LYNCH FOR INFORMATION HOLY SHIT. He also say's that it's good that the confirmed townie will die...which was the whole issue with the plan. On August 02 2011 09:08 ghrur wrote: Yup, and if Mafia shoots player Y, and player Y dies, then clearly the medic isn't a medic but is mafia. :/ So if mafia tries to be medic, it effectively hurts them. Still supports the plan, but here he actually makes a nonsensical point. Nobody was suggesting the mafia would claim protecting someone and then shoot them instead... On August 03 2011 17:35 ghrur wrote: Yeah, I do. I played with Drazerk AA and he acted the same way. If I recall, it was basically a "Lynch Wiggles" post and then afk. I'm down for either varpulis or Kenpachi. I don't get why sandroba's supposed to have seemed town. I mean, looking back on the plan, I realize it's incredibly bad. and this post by sandroba docH, how is the simple fact that it's no longer day1 is going to make lynches more acurate down the line? If we can speed up the process and basically skip night 1 how is it possibly bad for town? What? He knows better than this. So the plan basically becomes let's out the dayvig and give mafia a free blue. :/ This is his very next post. Disagrees with a Drazerk lynch, and gives fucking awful meta reason to do so. This is not like AA at all lol. Here is the most important thing though. His last 3 posts were all behind the plan 100%!!! But now, with no explanation apart from, the plan sucks. He comes out and calls Sandroba scummy and says the plan is terrible. Did your mafia buddies tell you to do this in the QT???? On August 04 2011 07:21 ghrur wrote: Don't be a pessimist. I support the shooting of JeeJee He hasn't mentioned JeeJee at all before, yet posts saying he wants him shot with NO REASONING. also SCUMSLIP ALERT SCUMSLIP ALERT SCUMSLIP ALERT He says Don't be a pessimist in response to YM saying that scum is getting worse. Actual "scumslips" are very rare, but i'm fairly certain I just found one. VIGIS ON THIS GUY PLEASE. It's fine if no tho but I will be trying to get this mofo lynched tommorow. | ||
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here is the irc convo mig sent it to me and i hosted it on a google doc. Take from it what you will, you can just ctrl+f redff to find the stuff about me i guess. | ||
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On August 04 2011 08:19 ghrur wrote: Redff: Yes, I understand lynching for information was bad. I was making the point that losing 3 townies is losing 3 townies until I realized day-vigis get 2 shots so we still effectively lose a vigi, and later shots are more accurate. Why did I change positions? I argued with DrH about this in Mafia IRC and reconsidered my position. Neither was I... I was stating how fake-claims by mafia would hurt them under the plan... Like, do you not understand that that was a continuation of thought from what Curu said? >_> Also, you're tunneling by the third "point." Did you not read "looking back?" I re-evaluated my position. Would you like to hear why I realize it's a bad plan? A. It lures out a confirmed townie and ends up with him getting shot. B. We lose a vigi shot early with the opportunity cost of getting a better shot later on. C. Vigis get 2 shots, so even if Dayvig dies, it's not a confirmed townie that dies, but a confirmed blue. D. Instead of ending up with 3 greens dead if mafia stacks, we end up with 2 greens dead and 1 blue dead. Much worse. So what does this effectively do? Lure out a blue for mafia to kill! Why would Sandroba suggest such a plan then! Why was I stupid enough to support it? Because I was stupid. I never mentioned JeeJee before... except in IRC and talking about it to TAA. Guess what? I also find Munk-E scummy but I've never mentioned him before in thread either. I don't post everything I think. lol ur scum I got called scummy for talking about stuff on the public irc channel, your talking about all your reads in pms to a couple of people. that is scummy as fuck. Please post your thoughts on both JeeJee and Munk-E. you have 10 minutes because if you already talked about it to other then i assume you will be able to post about it.. | ||
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[8/1/2011 3:02:03 PM] james: more and more [8/1/2011 3:02:12 PM] james: for the cannon fodder [8/1/2011 3:02:12 PM] james: shot [8/1/2011 3:02:23 PM] Charles Suo: yes thats the easy early one [8/1/2011 3:02:26 PM] Charles Suo: hes also nto going to be contributing at all the game [8/1/2011 3:02:35 PM] james: well [8/1/2011 3:02:38 PM] james: hes against [8/1/2011 3:02:39 PM] james: day vigiing [8/1/2011 3:02:39 PM] Charles Suo: well actually idk he died on the first day/night [8/1/2011 3:02:42 PM] james: and against encrypting of posts [8/1/2011 3:02:45 PM] Charles Suo: both games i was in with him [8/1/2011 3:02:57 PM] james: like hes against two things [8/1/2011 3:03:04 PM] james: that are pro town [8/1/2011 3:03:15 PM] syllogism: i'm somewhat skeptical about him saying that as scum though [8/1/2011 3:03:24 PM] syllogism: the encryption part especially [8/1/2011 3:03:26 PM] james: eh, it means [8/1/2011 3:03:27 PM] james: hes good [8/1/2011 3:03:30 PM] james: day vigi [8/1/2011 3:03:33 PM] james: shot [8/1/2011 3:03:41 PM] james: already being counter productive [8/1/2011 3:03:47 PM] james: i can understand not wanting to encrypt shite [8/1/2011 3:03:54 PM] james: but against getting a day 1 [8/1/2011 3:03:58 PM] james: confirmed [8/1/2011 3:03:59 PM] james: player? OK WTF IS THIS On August 02 2011 08:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote: *yawn* So out of drH and redff there is a clear difference between the two of them. Both are arguing against this plan. First of all, a lot of drH's concerns are legit. A lot of questions based around this plan that makes it "solid" received not so good responses from the mods. IE not exploitable. I see the advantages of the plan, and if we could actually think of a target for day 1 to day vig it would be fine, however. This is a game with 4 mafia, 1 gf and 1 rber in the mix most likely. The next issue is a simple bit of knowledge of qatol and ver helped balance the game. Very few KP will be in this game. Counting on a day vig for all our hopes seems...shortsighted. If we have one, awesome, however we should have 2 kp at most given the setup. 1 med and 1 vet, or 2 vets, would be a likely blue setup for night survival and 1 dt if we are lucky. As this is speculation based on how to not make a game horribly OP for town I would guess no day kp as that would make town confirmable. However, if this plan can be made to work then thats fine and good. My issue now stems from DrH and redFF. DrH has been arguing against it in thread. He has been on the bad side of this sort of situation before, and I can see where he might have learned from that. I have no issues with him doing so primarily because he is doing it here, in thread. Redff however has been arguing this on irc. If he was so sure of his stance he should have taken it here in thread. Massive FoS by excluding info from thread. So apparently BC says that thinks that arguing against the plan and getting a confirmed townie is scummy. But then he says in the thread that the concerns are legitimate. Notice how BC doesn't even really take a stance on the plan. He also says that it's a massive FOS for excluding info from the thread, when in that skype convo(https://docs.google.com/document/d/10jA3MmX1xqqIfA0dbFV2x_2ABuzcbCX6IKcXlx_oFF0/edit?hl=en_US) he says very important stuff he doesn't say in the thread. LIKE THE FACT THAT HE THINKS I AM SCUM AND A GOOD DAYVIG SHOT AND HE THINKS THAT ARGUING AGAINST THE PLAN IS ANTI-TOWN. Here's what we know. We know that someone in that skype convo is scum. And we already know that BC has been scummy before. Vigs on BC please for the love of god. | ||
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ghrur ur mafia too stfu [7:57pm] alanismorisette: post that analysis [7:57pm] alanismorisette: its not bullshit if you have already discussed it with people [7:57pm] alanismorisette: just post what you talked about with them [7:57pm] alanismorisette: quick! [7:57pm] ghrur: It's been past 10 minutes [7:57pm] ghrur: My deadline is gone [7:58pm] ghrur: and I wanna play basketball [7:58pm] alanismorisette: ... [7:58pm] ghrur: Besides, I already said [7:58pm] chaos13 joined the chat room. [7:58pm] ghrur: I didn't save the chat log [7:58pm] alanismorisette: doesnt matter [7:58pm] ghrur: Ask TAA if he has it [7:58pm] alanismorisette: just post the gist of ur position on them [7:58pm] alanismorisette: easy [7:58pm] alanismorisette: just do that for me [7:58pm] ghrur: Sure, I'll do it [7:58pm] ghrur: But I'd rather play basketball [7:58pm] alanismorisette: ... [7:58pm] ghrur: I'll post it afterwards kay? [7:58pm] alanismorisette: do it please [7:58pm] alanismorisette: no [7:58pm] alanismorisette: now [7:58pm] ghrur: No, real life > mafia [7:58pm] alanismorisette: im sorry but everyone is seeing this right [7:59pm] alanismorisette: it will take [7:59pm] alanismorisette: like 5 minutes [7:59pm] alanismorisette: dude [7:59pm] youngmin: i'm laughing my ass off [7:59pm] alanismorisette: you could have finished it by now [7:59pm] ghrur: ??? YM? [7:59pm] ghrur: Cya later [7:59pm] ghrur: <3 [7:59pm] alanismorisette: but instead you are gonna go think about it [7:59pm] ghrur: I'll post it after [7:59pm] youngmin: lolololol [7:59pm] alanismorisette: then post it [7:59pm] alanismorisette: ... [7:59pm] ghrur: Yes, I didn't need to think about my defense [7:59pm] ghrur: <3 [7:59pm] ghrur: Cya [8:00pm] alanismorisette: ... fuck this guy | ||
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On August 04 2011 09:21 Curu wrote: I'd prefer the Vig on JeeJee/Munk-E and the DT on BC. Medic on Mig. why medic on mig? A medic on ON or DrH is wayy better. | ||
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VIG BC VIG BC VIG BC | ||
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On August 04 2011 09:33 Barundar wrote: Mig was the one starting the case on varpulis, posting the initial analysis and pressuring him through the day. I consider ON and DrH town as well though. As a side note Trotske is most likely town based on Varpulis' FoS. I wouldn't DT check JeeJee or BC, if mafia they are most likely to be the godfather. For all we know Varp knew he was getting lynched so decided to attack trotske and they could be both scum? Also please read the thread gf is random. | ||
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He seemed to be doing a post-by-post style analysis (which btw, is bad) Ghrur then goes on to do a pbpa on jeejee | ||
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YEAH U DO UVE BEEN TALKING IN UR QT FOR 2 DAYS | ||
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