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*Sandroba is helping me co-host this game. Any questions/grievous complaints/whining/attempts at assassination can be directed towards him or myself.
Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia V: Revenge of the Town?
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Introduction:
Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia.
The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play. I will not compensate for ignorance.
Rules:
Cheating:
Cheating includes (but is not limited to):
1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information.
2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town.
3. Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role.
4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles.
5. Posting screenshots of your inbox.
6. Posting any PM you receive from a host.
7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip.
8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts.
9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits.
10. Sharing accounts with other players. Only you may post on your account.
Cheating is not tolerated here. The punishment will be severe.
Posting:
Mod Font:
This is mod font. It is reserved for moderators. Please do not use it.
Question Font:
This is question font. Use it to ask the moderators questions about the rules. Please do us a favor and read the rules before you ask anything.
Activity:
You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled.
Smurfs:
On April 26 2011 13:22 mikeymoo wrote:
Smurfs must PM the host because TL doesn't allow multiple accounts otherwise. If the host is unaware of smurfs, you (and/or your smurf) can be banned for having multiple accounts.
Spam:
Spam is not tolerated, nor is any off-topic material. Do not discuss Proleague here. Do not talk about Starcraft II here. Play Mafia here.
Editing:
Editing is not allowed for any reason. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be modkilled. This is the one part of the site where it is okay to be double posting, even triple-posting. While I ask for everybody to post as concisely as possible, post again if you have to edit anything.
Inappropriate posts:
If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM a host, Qatol, or Flamewheel before involving the TL staff. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can appeal to the TL staff normally.
Reporting posts:
The report button is a nice feature for regular TL, but not for this forum. We prefer to deal with things in house if possible to avoid confusion among the TL staff. If you have a problem with how someone is posting, talk to the host, co-host, Qatol, or Flamewheel before using your report button. Please do not use your report button for anything other than inappropriate posts which you feel are not being dealt with adequately.
Ban discussions:
Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game.
Play to win.
This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing.
This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without a ban. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM your host if you need to leave the game.
You have been warned.
Voting rules:
We are using a Majority Deadline lynch system, that is, the day ends after 48 hours, but the person with the most votes is only lynched if there is a majority, that is over 50% of the people left alive are voting for that person
1. Voting is done in this thread. Please keep votes there, and only vote there. Do not PM me your vote.
2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote Qatol. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance.
3. No conditional voting.
4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game.
5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins (or loses).
6. Voting is mandatory. You may (NOT) abstain.
7. There must be a majority to lynch. If at the deadline the person with the most votes does not have a majority (50% of the total votes) then no one will be lynched.
Signups:
This game is open to anyone with preference for new players. Signups will remain open until all 12 spots have been filled.
Game-specific rules:
Modkills:
This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will go beyond being eliminated from this game (and god help your soul). Please refer to it for questions about your punishment. If you want to use this game to sit out your ban, please PM Qatol or post in the Ban List.
Replacements
This game uses replacements. Replacements will always be made in the game unless I run out of victims... I mean volunteers . If a player is modkilled during the designated time, then they will be replaced by a player on the replacement list.
Clues:
There are (no) clues.
PMs
PMs are (not) allowed in this game.
Time Cycle:
This game will follow a (24 hour night/48 hour) day cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Currently the deadline is 21:00 GMT (+00:00), but that is subject to change.
Credits:
Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer.
Thanks to everyone who helped balance this game.
If you have not read all the rules, go back and do so. I will not compensate for ignorance!
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The setup is a modified version of F11; one of the following four setups is to be randomly chosen and used:
Set Up:
1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 7 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective
1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 9 Town
3 Mafia Goons, 1 Medic, 8 Town.
3 Mafia Goons, 1 Detective, 8 Town.
You will not know which setup is chosen.
Roles:
Townie
You are just a normal player with no night actions. All you can do is vote during the day. But the town needs you to win so be active!
Detective
You can make night investigations. Once per night you may ask for the alignment of any player. Alignments are either Town or Mafia. You are always sane. Alignment checks come back with the next day post.
Medic
You have the power to save lives. Once per night you can watch a player. If your target is attacked, you will block one hit aimed at them. If you make a successful save, both you and your target will be notified of the save. You cannot save yourself.
Mafia Goon
Your goal is to eliminate everyone else in the town. Your ability, as a group, is killing off whomever you decide on at night and knowing the role of each other player in your mafia. You may kill your own members. Mafia killing power is always 1 until there are no mafia remaining.
Roleblocker
You are a mafia member who has the ability to prevent a player from performing a night action. Once per night, you may roleblock a player, and your target will be unable to perform night actions for that night. Your target will be informed that they have been roleblocked (even if they didn't have a night action). You do not have to use your action every night.
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Player List
1. redFF
2. Sevryn
3. Jacinto Vanilla Townie -shot night 1
4. Palmar
5. VisceraEyes
6. aprudds Vanilla Townie- killed night 2
7. Pyo
8. Trotske
9. DragonReborn422 Vanilla Townie- lynched day 1
10. Ace Vanilla Townie- lynched day 2
11.Lord Vatti replaced by Curu
12. Fortress Fortune
Replacement List
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3.
3 of 3 MAFIA remaining:
? of ? Goons alive
? of ? Roleblockers alive
5 of 9 TOWN remaining:
? of ? Medics alive
? of ? Detectives alive
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/in lol why would i want coaching from palmar.
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On July 19 2011 11:39 redFF wrote:
/in lol why would i want coaching from palmar.
Its in case you need advice on how to shoot DTs as town. 
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you can do one normal and one mini at a time right?
I would love to play in a small normalish game and have a ton of free time coming up
so /in
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It's kinda meant for the new players redFF 
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if i get hanged in the BC Asylum thing i am going to /in
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Omg it's hard to pass up on Palmar's coaching...
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On July 19 2011 21:13 sandroba wrote:
Omg it's hard to pass up on Palmar's coaching...
If you ask me anything I'll troll you.
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I guess I'll join ptp then =/
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On July 19 2011 21:23 sandroba wrote:
I guess I'll join ptp then =/
Really though, this game gives preference to newer players, I'm offering to guide them through the worst newbie mistakes. At your level of play we'd benefit much more from mutual discussion than straight up coaching.
Think of it as me trying to jump-start the completely new guys to a reasonable level, a level where they don't actively sabotage their faction with their posting.
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On July 19 2011 22:26 Palmar wrote:Really though, this game gives preference to newer players, I'm offering to guide them through the worst newbie mistakes.
Couldn't have picked a better person.......
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Oh em gee I'm not allowed to play? Double yew tea eff?
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eh what? This is for new players only? So where do I go for small normals?
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On July 20 2011 17:49 Ace wrote:
eh what? This is for new players only? So where do I go for small normals?
you missed merc mini
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This game is NOT just for new players this time around, since it seems like a lot of vets wanted a small normal mini. So feel free to /in regardless of experience.
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well fuck coaching then
I'd like to play. if that's ok with you GM?
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On July 20 2011 20:10 Palmar wrote:
well fuck coaching then
I'd like to play. if that's ok with you GM?
Fine by me.
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Oh yes, and I'm making one major change to the voting rules. This will be majority deadline lynch. That is if the leading vote getter does not have over 50% of the votes at the deadline, he will not be lynched, and instead there will be a no-lynch.
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nvm, I'm lazy. Sticking with F11 this time around. I'll do something more exciting next time.
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Ive been lurking and waiting for a new player friendly game.
/in
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^ that would have been an epic name for world at war
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need an inventor to invent an icepick in this game
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/in
first game to be played on here. played way too many games on POG. look forward to meeting some players and have some fun.
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/in
all roles are randomly assigned, right?
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On July 21 2011 05:18 Ace wrote:
/in
all roles are randomly assigned, right?
Yep, I use random.org to determine the seeding
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yo Gmarshal. And ya ace, this is a Newbie-Only Mafia game. Stopped myself from saying n00b 
/in
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On July 21 2011 05:55 Lord Vatti wrote:yo Gmarshal. And ya ace, this is a Newbie-Only Mafia game. Stopped myself from saying n00b /in
On July 20 2011 20:08 GMarshal wrote:
This game is NOT just for new players this time around, since it seems like a lot of vets wanted a small normal mini. So feel free to /in regardless of experience.
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not reading the thread? Looks like the first lynch is obvious
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Oops. sorry. I missed SNMM 4, so i was a little too exited to jump into the action. Oh and BTW... Accusing other people quickly and without evedence to get the attention away from you... Looks like the first lynch is obvious... 
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Ace joined? Oh shit. Looks like this game might be pretty interesting to follow along.
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+1 up meh on last slot pls. Have xp on DR's Maf Mod just discovered your thread today, understood ingame mechanics. Let's go!
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@new guys
Just be prepared that this thing is actually hard work.
And don't take anything personally, this is a game.
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On July 21 2011 07:10 Hesmyrr wrote:
Ace joined? Oh shit. Looks like this game might be pretty interesting to follow along.
I'll be relaxing this game so I won't be doing anything out of the ordinary. I'm just here to drink my champagne.
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i believe its full now
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Curu, replacement spot?
Also we are full so I'll try to send out role PM's and such in about 16-18ish hours. European time zones are a pain to deal with, so bear with me.
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I would join this but my head can't handle school + 2 mafia games .
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On July 21 2011 15:17 GMarshal wrote:
Curu, replacement spot?
Also we are full so I'll try to send out role PM's and such in about 16-18ish hours. European time zones are a pain to deal with, so bear with me.
Shouldn't that have been in blue? and BTW sorry for flaming/trolling ace. I'll try to limit that.
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Yeah sure I'll be a replacement.
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Roles are out! send me an angry message if you should have one but don't or if you aren't playing and I sent you one anyway. Day post coming momentarily.
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sevryn sevryn speak so slightly!
confirmed
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WE ARE THE NATION....OF CONFIRMATION
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is confirming standard practice? People did this in BC's game but not in the previous 3 that I had played.
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BC requested confirmation in PM and in-thread in his role pms I think...
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Day 1!
It was just another day at vault 74, or so the inhabitants of vault 74*thought*. Unbeknownst to them today the overseer, GMarshal unsealed a new set of instructions, placed there by the wise founders of the vault 50 years ago. His face ashen and glum GMarshal read to himself what exactly he had to do. Gulping, GMarshal seized his 9mm and hid it in his vaulttech approved jumpsuit.
As he rung the bell to summon the rest of the inhabitants of the vault to an emergency gathering GMarshal held back grim thoughts about his future and the possibilities that the rest of the inhabitants had for survival. GMarshal's felt queasy, sick. "Its just nerves" he reassured himself, "as soon as Im safe in the control room, everything will be fine"
Peering at the anxious faces of the gathering crowd, GMarshal whispered hurried instructions in his second in command's ear. Hearing GMarshal panicked instructions Sandroba scuttled off, unsealing an envelope on his way to the overseer's control room.
"Ladies and Gentlemen," GMarshal begun "it seems like our vault has been infiltrated by traitors. Three members of our community have been infected with a deadly mutagen, that will germinate and kill someone every night, until everyone is dead. . Everyone except for the infected, they are merely carriers. If we can kill the traitors first,we can live. Otherwise we will all die. The procedures for doing this are clearly outlined in this procedural. We must kill someone each day until people stop dying at night."
The hall broke into outraged cries, and in the din, GMarshal slunk away to the command room, where Sandroba stood ready to seal them both in. To protect the integrity of the command structure, of course. A grim sight awaited him however. As GMarshal stepped into the command and control center, it was obviously clear that someone had beaten sandroba here, as he lay in a puddle of blood his brains having been bashed in with a crowbar. "Shit" GMarshal thought, fumbling for his gun. His enemy was not one that feared guns however, as a sudden wave of nausea overtook GMarshal and he vomited blood. Moments later GMarshal was nothing but a steaming pile of rapidly dissolving flesh. A dark figure watched from the doorway, taking note of the sheer efficiency of the virus as compared to the more brutal crowbar.
GMarshal the Vault Overseer has died to a lethal retrovirus
Sandroba the Vault Dweller has had his brains bashed in
It is now day 1. You have 47 hours from the moment of this post to lynch someone. Remember you *need* a majority to lynch! Deadline is 22:00 GMT (+00:00)
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I'm assuming this is really obvious but Do Not Claim. If we have a medic or DT or both if they die it hurts our chances by a lot. The mafia only has one KP so if we play smart and keep a good pro-town atmosphere we should be able to win.
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holy shit making fallout mafia BRB
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Hi town! I'm VisceraEyes! Some of you I might know me from the several games I've lost for my team in the past. This game I'm going to turn that around.
Some requests:
If you're fluent in BB formatting, PLEASE use spoilers and quotes. Text walls are easier to swallow when they're broken up. If you're not, please keep your thoughts concise and to the point.
I'd like to try and keep the discussion focused this game. Obviously with such varied personalities, this is likely to be difficult. If we all do our part to keep the thread nice, we may even get to keep the All button! ^^
Probably my most sincere hope is that we avoid some of the mud-slinging and nonsense that tends to go with these games. Obviously some of us are going to get frustrated, but if we all try and primarily attack arguments, not people, I think the game will go a lot smoother.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/U84EX.jpg)
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On July 22 2011 08:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
Probably my most sincere hope is that we avoid some of the mud-slinging and nonsense that tends to go with these games.
*slings mud*
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*makes mud-pies* :D
And
##Vote: redFF
100% of your posts are spam so far. Keep it up my friend. I got....well, I just got the one vote...but I got a lot of scowls and at least 10 fingers to point at you sir!
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/confirmed.
How about one of these Zodiac lists? Are they any good?
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Not so much in mini games...not enough people for it to matter (original list had 12 people...this game TOTAL has 12 people.) Plus we don't know the setup. Plus you'll probably get called scum just for suggesting it.
The illustrious Ace is here with us, however..showing us scrubs how it's done. d1 PL for the guy who wrote the book (thread) on how to be scum anyone? 
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Allright, so what is the plan? I have no idea what to do.
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Well, we keep on the lookout for suspicious behavior and questionable posts by EVERYONE in town. If you find something suspicious, call it out....or keep a note of it for later when you build an actual case against someone. A case is merely a summary of your various suspicions of a person that you are trying to convince others to vote for. You'll pick it up as we go along.
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Yeah, I've got that much. It's just that it seems that there isn't much to go on d1, but it feels kinda bad just sitting around doing nothing until d2. Isn't there some kind of gameplan we can use?
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Sure. Most games start with discussion about that very thing for the first couple of pages. By then there's usually a little information to go on, and some stuff to base reads on.
In my opinion, we should be focused on trying to AGREE on a lynch candidate, this appears to be an experimental format combining deadline and majority lynching...so No Lynch IS an option and in most cases should be AVOIDED if possible.
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On July 22 2011 09:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
*makes mud-pies* :D
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##Vote: redFF
100% of your posts are spam so far. Keep it up my friend. I got....well, I just got the one vote...but I got a lot of scowls and at least 10 fingers to point at you sir!
Most people haven't even posted at all yet...
As for what to do now for the newbies, just post and wait for someone to slip up/look scummy. Also please do not lie, there have been a bunch of games recently where bad townies have lied and screwed over town, so don't lie! LAL is a very extreme policy but it makes sense. I'm not suggesting LAL, but if someone lies then I will personally look at them carefully and trust them a good deal less.
We have a lot of new players in this game so i encourage more experienced players to remember that there is a difference between DUMBand SCUM. Too often day 1 lynches end up with some townie getting lynched for trivial reasons when people dont realise the townie is just bad!
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We're trapped in a SAS between the source of the deadly strain and humanity.
In theory, we were all supposed to be sealed to prevent the spread of the infectious risk to other vaults.
The procedure got sabotaged via two modus operandi, a crowbar and a virus, therefore the infected are fully conscious of their scheme.
The suspects were specified as three individuals, the sneering dark figure is just a metaphorical symbol of the plague.
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On July 22 2011 08:36 VisceraEyes wrote:Hi town! I'm VisceraEyes! Some of you I might know me from the several games I've lost for my team in the past. This game I'm going to turn that around. Some requests: If you're fluent in BB formatting, PLEASE use spoilers and quotes. Text walls are easier to swallow when they're broken up. If you're not, please keep your thoughts concise and to the point. I'd like to try and keep the discussion focused this game. Obviously with such varied personalities, this is likely to be difficult. If we all do our part to keep the thread nice, we may even get to keep the All button! ^^ Probably my most sincere hope is that we avoid some of the mud-slinging and nonsense that tends to go with these games. Obviously some of us are going to get frustrated, but if we all try and primarily attack arguments, not people, I think the game will go a lot smoother.
Nice contribution bro, I think you're legit town.
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i was a heavy post counter for werewolf games on 2+2's puzzles and other games. I'm not sure if i will continue that trend on here for mafia games.
I'm sure i will have to adjust to the play style on here. I've mostly played "vanilla games" and not "mish-mash games" which have creative roles. I have probably 100 or so vanilla games played and about 10 mish-mash games played.
I remember the first time a bunch of us played a game on mafiascum and we got into a flame war with the forum just because the style of the game is so different between forums. I am fairly elitist and think my own style is very good, but I'm ok with taking a backseat and learning the ropes on a new forum.
I will post some reads soon.
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I propose a random number generator to start things off. Agreed?
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On July 22 2011 10:09 Palmar wrote:
Nice contribution bro, I think you're legit town.
Thanks pal, I hope that persists.
##Unvote: redFF Before I forget.
redFF makes a VERY good point. If someone's analysis doesn't make sense or doesn't add up in some way, that doesn't automatically make them scum. It might make them wrong. But it certainly doesn't automatically make them scum. Before you fly off the handle and hitch up the wagon, consider first what brought them to that conclusion. Often times, there's a reason for it, and you just have to ask or clarify.
Yes, the game is about deciding who among us we're going to hang to death (or beat with a crowbar or subject to a virus, or whatever)...that doesn't mean we have to act like murderers in here. Things like "DIE SCUM DIE" (I'm looking at you Palmar) only detract from any kind of pro-town environment we're able to create over the next couple of days.
And hopefully everyone gets a chance to read over the rules before they start posting in here. A lot of townies are lynched because they asked too many questions that have already been answered in THE ORIGINAL POST. This game is about reading THIS thread. The WHOLE thread. Please do so.
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Hmmmmm...ACE with the first scummy post. Go figure.
Ace, what possible information could be gleaned from deciding who to lynch based on randomness (if that's what you're proposing?) I'm relatively new, so forgive if this is something obvious that I just haven't picked up yet...
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redFF is just saying that because he got lynched day 1 as scum in bc's aa for randomly trying to protect a failure of a town.
Here's a tip for mafia, when townies are about to die, just let them die.
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On July 22 2011 10:31 VisceraEyes wrote:Hmmmmm...ACE with the first scummy post. Go figure. Ace, what possible information could be gleaned from deciding who to lynch based on randomness (if that's what you're proposing?) I'm relatively new, so forgive if this is something obvious that I just haven't picked up yet...
It's a great idea.
Although, killing the third poster after the daypost has a far higher success-rate.
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So you guys would rather take a straight 3/12 chance of hitting scum rather than upping our chances using what little analysis we can muster during d1? That's what you're proposing?
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On July 22 2011 10:31 VisceraEyes wrote:Hmmmmm...ACE with the first scummy post. Go figure. Ace, what possible information could be gleaned from deciding who to lynch based on randomness (if that's what you're proposing?) I'm relatively new, so forgive if this is something obvious that I just haven't picked up yet...
Lots of new players(no meta) + I don't always take meta into consideration on Day 1. I'm also not going to wait for a Scum slip. I also don't want to know what the setup is until Day 2 when (if) the Detective has a chance to get off an investigation.
So we can random lynch to kick things off, or go the traditional route and play the discussion game.
Although if I was going to lynch someone you or Palmero over there would get the noose asap.
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I agree with Viscera. It's better if we try to lead a lynch on whoever you think is most scummy, rather than randoming. Then at least we get some pressure reaction and what not. Also, we have more to work with when it comes to vote-analyzing later in the game.
And the chances to hit scum is probably better with consious lynching rather than randoming anyway.
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Any particular reason, or just because we're here to react to that statement?
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ebwodp
That was aimed at Ace, btw
Jacinto, I agree with you on this one. I'm not saying base discussions on meta or setup or outting PRs. I'm saying if there's someone scummy to lynch before night falls, we lynch him. If not, THEN I'll get into a random-lynching discussion.
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And also, the possibility of the leader of the random lynch cheating the lynch. Just because he sais he is randoming doesn't necesserely mean he does.
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Jacinto and VisceraEyes look kind of scummy. Not sure on how much you guys have played though.
FOS (Finger of Suspicion) : Jacinto and Viscera. Ok this is the one and only time im going to use FOS...but i couldnt resist the first time. it's amusing to me in some way.
You guys look helpful but you're really not. Posts look a little forced. Jacinto looks a little better than Viscera.
I like Ace's posts.
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What meta is there to consider? Unless we have someone like Vivi57 or Kenpachi in the game then there is no policy lynch to consider.
Secondly basing lynches off of purely meta are dangerous, and most importantly: useless much of the time. If you want to go the meta route then break down some players' meta for us and lets see what everyone thinks.
@Jacinto: We can do random lynch via Mod by having him roll a number for us, or pick an unbiased source or random event (like sports score or timing of a home run) to lynch someone.
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@Ace
Allright, that makes more sense.
However, I don't really see the point of random lynching. Sure, the DT could get an investigation, but we still don't know if we actually have a DT or even a doctor in the game. I don't get how random lynching could "kick things off", to the contrary, to me it seems that a RL would just keep the game stagnated.
Could you explain more closely exactly how a RL would contribute to our cause?
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On July 22 2011 10:59 DragonReborn422 wrote:
Jacinto and VisceraEyes look kind of scummy. Not sure on how much you guys have played though.
FOS (Finger of Suspicion) : Jacinto and Viscera. Ok this is the one and only time im going to use FOS...but i couldnt resist the first time. it's amusing to me in some way.
You guys look helpful but you're really not. Posts look a little forced. Jacinto looks a little better than Viscera.
I like Ace's posts.
All right Dragon, then we dispense with the pleasantries. I'm trying to create a pro-town environment. Tell me how that's scummy if you please. Clearly you agree with lynching randomly as Ace does, and his non-answer to my question apparently doesn't bother you because you're in perfect agreement about who you'd lynch given the reins. So let me pose this question to you, because I KNOW Ace has an answer for me.
What benefit does town get from lynching a random person?
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I'm for random lynching because I'm not expecting anyone to just out themselves so easily. I think it's a fun way to start off the game anyway because I'm not in the mood to read people arguing about things that aren't really that important to this game (like meta).
I'm not sure we have a Detective, but if he/she exists throwing up a random lynch and letting the pieces fall might help set their Scumdar in the right direction.
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What question didn't I answer? Clarify.
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@Ace
I'm not saying we base anything off meta. I'm also not saying we base anything off setup discussion. I'm also not saying we let the power-roles do all the work this game. I'll thank you to not try and 'lead' a discussion toward one of those topics, as clearly you don't want to talk about it and frankly I don't have the experience to keep up.
But I'm absolutely against random-lynching at this time because we have a whole day of information to gather and we can decide later who to lynch.
.........this is some kind of extreme aversion to no-lynch isn't it?
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I've never actually seen or heard of random lynching before, well most day 1 lynches are random but outright saying they are and randomly deciding who is lynched is something i've never seen before, can you link me to a game where a random lynch has been used? It seems pretty dumb to me, because you could hit an active pro-town player just as likely as you could hit a lurking mafia.
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On July 22 2011 10:47 Ace wrote:
Although if I was going to lynch someone you or Palmero over there would get the noose asap.
On July 22 2011 10:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
Any particular reason, or just because we're here to react to that statement?
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Sorry, that wasn't clear...my bad.
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+ Show Spoiler +On July 22 2011 11:06 Jacinto wrote:
@Ace
Allright, that makes more sense.
However, I don't really see the point of random lynching. Sure, the DT could get an investigation, but we still don't know if we actually have a DT or even a doctor in the game. I don't get how random lynching could "kick things off", to the contrary, to me it seems that a RL would just keep the game stagnated.
Could you explain more closely exactly how a RL would contribute to our cause?
I agree with this.
As far as I can see a RL has a 9:3 chance of just making us down a townie and we don't even know if we have a DT, If we have a DT then there is a 50% chance of there being a Roleblocker also if the DT claims they then have a 50% chance of being useless.
Can someone please explain why a RL is better than a no lynch.
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I've seen you and Palmar play before thats why
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On July 22 2011 11:11 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 10:59 DragonReborn422 wrote:
Jacinto and VisceraEyes look kind of scummy. Not sure on how much you guys have played though.
FOS (Finger of Suspicion) : Jacinto and Viscera. Ok this is the one and only time im going to use FOS...but i couldnt resist the first time. it's amusing to me in some way.
You guys look helpful but you're really not. Posts look a little forced. Jacinto looks a little better than Viscera.
I like Ace's posts. All right Dragon, then we dispense with the pleasantries. I'm trying to create a pro-town environment. Tell me how that's scummy if you please. Clearly you agree with lynching randomly as Ace does, and his non-answer to my question apparently doesn't bother you because you're in perfect agreement about who you'd lynch given the reins. So let me pose this question to you, because I KNOW Ace has an answer for me. What benefit does town get from lynching a random person?
I'm not necessarily in favor of a random lynch. However, a random lynch has a solid success rate. Given that this is a game with a fair amount of beginners, it can be very easy for the mafia to direct the kills in this game. Again, a lot of this depends on how much you have played...but it looks like you have some experience.
I think your posts look a little forced and look helpful to the casual eye but really isn't helpful. Objecting to a random lynch by saying we have a higher chance of finding a mafia sounds really nice in theory....but honestly...i doubt the town has a higher than 25% of finding a mafia on day 1.
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On July 22 2011 11:18 Ace wrote:I've seen you and Palmar play before thats why
Fair enough. So what, we're not good enough to play with you? We're...what, anti-town by existing?
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On July 22 2011 11:17 Trotske wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 22 2011 11:06 Jacinto wrote:
@Ace
Allright, that makes more sense.
However, I don't really see the point of random lynching. Sure, the DT could get an investigation, but we still don't know if we actually have a DT or even a doctor in the game. I don't get how random lynching could "kick things off", to the contrary, to me it seems that a RL would just keep the game stagnated.
Could you explain more closely exactly how a RL would contribute to our cause? I agree with this. As far as I can see a RL has a 9:3 chance of just making us down a townie and we don't even know if we have a DT, If we have a DT then there is a 50% chance of there being a Roleblocker also if the DT claims they then have a 50% chance of being useless. Can someone please explain why a RL is better than a no lynch.
It isn't always better, but in this game with so many new players and an uncertain setup why not kick it off this way? Then on Day 2 see what happens.
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On July 22 2011 11:29 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:18 Ace wrote:I've seen you and Palmar play before thats why Fair enough. So what, we're not good enough to play with you? We're...what, anti-town by existing?
No and Yes
You guys have a weird ability to tunnel through anything, even Scum posting right before your eyes like RoL in CC Mafia. But I wouldn't REALLY vote for your lynch off of that because I've only seen it happen a few times and what happens in this game is far more important for my vote.
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On July 22 2011 11:23 DragonReborn422 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 22 2011 10:59 DragonReborn422 wrote:
Jacinto and VisceraEyes look kind of scummy. Not sure on how much you guys have played though.
FOS (Finger of Suspicion) : Jacinto and Viscera. Ok this is the one and only time im going to use FOS...but i couldnt resist the first time. it's amusing to me in some way.
You guys look helpful but you're really not. Posts look a little forced. Jacinto looks a little better than Viscera.
I like Ace's posts. All right Dragon, then we dispense with the pleasantries. I'm trying to create a pro-town environment. Tell me how that's scummy if you please. Clearly you agree with lynching randomly as Ace does, and his non-answer to my question apparently doesn't bother you because you're in perfect agreement about who you'd lynch given the reins. So let me pose this question to you, because I KNOW Ace has an answer for me. What benefit does town get from lynching a random person? I'm not necessarily in favor of a random lynch. However, a random lynch has a solid success rate. Given that this is a game with a fair amount of beginners, it can be very easy for the mafia to direct the kills in this game. Again, a lot of this depends on how much you have played...but it looks like you have some experience. I think your posts look a little forced and look helpful to the casual eye but really isn't helpful. Objecting to a random lynch by saying we have a higher chance of finding a mafia sounds really nice in theory....but honestly...i doubt the town has a higher than 25% of finding a mafia on day 1.
That's where I guess we disagree. We have a BASELINE 25% chance to hit scum. At minimum. So any information we gather in the next few days INCREASES our chances of hitting scum. Sure, there's a chance that scum COULD lead the lynch, but there's also a chance that WE don't fall for it, or that WE force SCUM to lynch a partner. It all depends on the information we're able to get, and how we apply it. Arguing that we should random lynch because of something that COULD happen is ludicrous...just don't let it.
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@Ace
I'm for random lynching because I'm not expecting anyone to just out themselves so easily. I think it's a fun way to start off the game anyway because I'm not in the mood to read people arguing about things that aren't really that important to this game (like meta).
So this is your answer to my last post, asking for clearification. Of course no one is gonna do a total scumslip d1(chances are that no one will anyway), but we can still harvest information. As you know, this game isn't about getting people to openly admit that they are scum, it's about making a plaussible case against someone you think is acting wierd. Also, we are not discussing meta at all. We are discussing very concrete stuff, namely what to do d1. If you can't get reads out of this sort of discussions, what could you get reads from?
I feel that I have made my case pretty clear, but I am still not satisfied with the explaination for an RL that you have given. Please, explain more closely exactly how an RL would help us killing mafia in the long run(or even the short run for that matter).
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Ace, so far you're the ONLY person who's brought meta into the game. For someone who's so against 'arguing about things that aren't really that important to this game (like meta), that seems....contradictory. At best.
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You're missing the point of my argument Viscera. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. I found it strange that you protest it making you look scummy. That is all. Perhaps our chances of hitting the mafia is more than 25% perhaps not. Again, I don't care a lick about the lynch. I'm pointing out that you are trying to helpful to the inexperienced whereas you're actually not.
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It isn't always better, but in this game with so many new players and an uncertain setup why not kick it off this way? Then on Day 2 see what happens.
I don't understand this at all. The only thing this will give us is that we will be at exactly the same possition as d1, except with one less townie. I can't see how that's better than trying to lynch as good as possible. At least this will show us who is ready to vote for who, pressure reaction etc.
I could agree with doing a last minute RL, if it's obvious that we won't get an majority lynch, but other than that, I do not see the point.
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Yeah, Random Lynch could be fun. What's more fun than watching one of your fellow townies die because there was a 50% greater chance of hitting him than the scum who offered up Random Lynch in the first place.
Further, what then sir? Best case scenario: we hit scum randomly. Huzzah! But then were are we? Right back here were we are now because we all decided unanimously to lynch someone. What information is there to glean from that? What stances are people going to be held accountable for?
No, Random Lynching is an awful idea. And the fact that you're so wishywashy about your PERSONAL desire to start things off that way (a fun way to start, kick things off, why not), combined with your contradictory statement about meta, you get the honor of being my first scum pick. Congratulations sir!
##Vote: Ace
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On July 22 2011 11:43 DragonReborn422 wrote:
You're missing the point of my argument Viscera. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. I found it strange that you protest it making you look scummy. That is all. Perhaps our chances of hitting the mafia is more than 25% perhaps not. Again, I don't care a lick about the lynch. I'm pointing out that you are trying to helpful to the inexperienced whereas you're actually not.
Could you point out the flaws in his reasoning? It seems to me that your posts have been more useless than his by bashing what he has to say and not supporting it at all other than saying "It has worked before" and not giving and evidence.
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@Dragon
Actually, you're saying I'm not helpful to YOU. I've answered Jacinto's questions to his satisfaction, where Ace has still failed to do so. Palmar seems to think my opening statements were fine. You're speaking for town when you shouldn't be. Let town speak for themselves. Vote for me if you really think I'm scummy, but don't put words in everyone else' mouths. Let them think for themselves.
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On July 22 2011 11:49 Trotske wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:43 DragonReborn422 wrote:
You're missing the point of my argument Viscera. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. I found it strange that you protest it making you look scummy. That is all. Perhaps our chances of hitting the mafia is more than 25% perhaps not. Again, I don't care a lick about the lynch. I'm pointing out that you are trying to helpful to the inexperienced whereas you're actually not. Could you point out the flaws in his reasoning? It seems to me that your posts have been more useless than his by bashing what he has to say and not supporting it at all other than saying "It has worked before" and not giving and evidence.
I haven't bashed anyone. What are you talking about? His reasoning is that the town can do better than a random lynch on day 1 and we should not random lynch. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. Maybe THIS town CAN do better than a random lynch on day1. It could also DO worse than a random lynch on day1. I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHICH.
I am pointing out that he appears helpful by saying that oh yea we can analayze and talk and discuss and we have a better chance of finding a mafia on day1. I think this looks pretty cool to the casual observer as yea...he sounds intelligent and useful...whereas in reality....we really don't know how good this town is. If we have a terrible town maybe we should just keeping randoming!!
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On July 22 2011 11:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
@Dragon
Actually, you're saying I'm not helpful to YOU. I've answered Jacinto's questions to his satisfaction, where Ace has still failed to do so. Palmar seems to think my opening statements were fine. You're speaking for town when you shouldn't be. Let town speak for themselves. Vote for me if you really think I'm scummy, but don't put words in everyone else' mouths. Let them think for themselves.
Put words into everyone's mouths? Please show me when I have done this?
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@Ace
Just look at what randomness has gotten you so far!
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On July 22 2011 11:37 Jacinto wrote:@Ace Show nested quote +I'm for random lynching because I'm not expecting anyone to just out themselves so easily. I think it's a fun way to start off the game anyway because I'm not in the mood to read people arguing about things that aren't really that important to this game (like meta). So this is your answer to my last post, asking for clearification. Of course no one is gonna do a total scumslip d1(chances are that no one will anyway), but we can still harvest information. As you know, this game isn't about getting people to openly admit that they are scum, it's about making a plaussible case against someone you think is acting wierd. Also, we are not discussing meta at all. We are discussing very concrete stuff, namely what to do d1. If you can't get reads out of this sort of discussions, what could you get reads from? I feel that I have made my case pretty clear, but I am still not satisfied with the explaination for an RL that you have given. Please, explain more closely exactly how an RL would help us killing mafia in the long run(or even the short run for that matter).
I've already explained myself as best I can but here goes again. My "meta" responses were in part based off the question VE asked earlier. Why random lynch?
No meta to go off of + meta being sketchy in most circumstances
Not going to play expecting a blatant Scum slip on Day 1
No knowledge of the setup yet until a possible DT claim or death of a power role
My experience in these setups where people just generally dont know what do
To see what happens just because I want to
Add it all up and I'd rather start off with a random lynch.
On July 22 2011 11:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ace, so far you're the ONLY person who's brought meta into the game. For someone who's so against 'arguing about things that aren't really that important to this game (like meta), that seems....contradictory. At best.
How is it? I'm not arguing about meta. I'm also not pushing any major points about it.
On July 22 2011 11:46 Jacinto wrote:Show nested quote +
It isn't always better, but in this game with so many new players and an uncertain setup why not kick it off this way? Then on Day 2 see what happens.
I don't understand this at all. The only thing this will give us is that we will be at exactly the same possition as d1, except with one less townie. I can't see how that's better than trying to lynch as good as possible. At least this will show us who is ready to vote for who, pressure reaction etc. I could agree with doing a last minute RL, if it's obvious that we won't get an majority lynch, but other than that, I do not see the point.
That is only true if we are in a setup with no DT/Medic, everyone gets null reads and we don't lynch a Mafia on Day 1. Otherwise we'll be in a better position.
On July 22 2011 11:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah, Random Lynch could be fun. What's more fun than watching one of your fellow townies die because there was a 50% greater chance of hitting him than the scum who offered up Random Lynch in the first place.
Further, what then sir? Best case scenario: we hit scum randomly. Huzzah! But then were are we? Right back here were we are now because we all decided unanimously to lynch someone. What information is there to glean from that? What stances are people going to be held accountable for?
No, Random Lynching is an awful idea. And the fact that you're so wishywashy about your PERSONAL desire to start things off that way (a fun way to start, kick things off, why not), combined with your contradictory statement about meta, you get the honor of being my first scum pick. Congratulations sir!
##Vote: Ace
This is exactly why I said you wouldn't be a bad lynch. Show me where I have been wishy washy. Point out the exact sentences in my posts.
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On July 22 2011 11:54 DragonReborn422 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:49 Trotske wrote:On July 22 2011 11:43 DragonReborn422 wrote:
You're missing the point of my argument Viscera. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. I found it strange that you protest it making you look scummy. That is all. Perhaps our chances of hitting the mafia is more than 25% perhaps not. Again, I don't care a lick about the lynch. I'm pointing out that you are trying to helpful to the inexperienced whereas you're actually not. Could you point out the flaws in his reasoning? It seems to me that your posts have been more useless than his by bashing what he has to say and not supporting it at all other than saying "It has worked before" and not giving and evidence. I haven't bashed anyone. What are you talking about? His reasoning is that the town can do better than a random lynch on day 1 and we should not random lynch. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. Maybe THIS town CAN do better than a random lynch on day1. It could also DO worse than a random lynch on day1. I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHICH. I am pointing out that he appears helpful by saying that oh yea we can analayze and talk and discuss and we have a better chance of finding a mafia on day1. I think this looks pretty cool to the casual observer as yea...he sounds intelligent and useful...whereas in reality....we really don't know how good this town is. If we have a terrible town maybe we should just keeping randoming!!
How can the town do worse than a RL day1.
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On July 22 2011 11:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
@Dragon
Actually, you're saying I'm not helpful to YOU. I've answered Jacinto's questions to his satisfaction, where Ace has still failed to do so. Palmar seems to think my opening statements were fine. You're speaking for town when you shouldn't be. Let town speak for themselves. Vote for me if you really think I'm scummy, but don't put words in everyone else' mouths. Let them think for themselves.
oh ok this makes it even easier.
## vote VisceraEyes
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On July 22 2011 11:23 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I think your posts look a little forced and look helpful to the casual eye but really isn't helpful. Objecting to a random lynch by saying we have a higher chance of finding a mafia sounds really nice in theory....but honestly...i doubt the town has a higher than 25% of finding a mafia on day 1.
On July 22 2011 11:43 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I'm pointing out that you are trying to helpful to the inexperienced whereas you're actually not.
You're continuing to insist that my posts aren't helpful to the inexperienced here in town. What you should be saying is that my posts aren't helpful to YOU. I'm not even TRYING to be helpful. I'm just posting what I've found from my limited experience what a beneficial environment to find scum in would be. Take it or leave it bro, that's totally up to you.
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On July 22 2011 11:59 Trotske wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:54 DragonReborn422 wrote:On July 22 2011 11:49 Trotske wrote:On July 22 2011 11:43 DragonReborn422 wrote:
You're missing the point of my argument Viscera. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. I found it strange that you protest it making you look scummy. That is all. Perhaps our chances of hitting the mafia is more than 25% perhaps not. Again, I don't care a lick about the lynch. I'm pointing out that you are trying to helpful to the inexperienced whereas you're actually not. Could you point out the flaws in his reasoning? It seems to me that your posts have been more useless than his by bashing what he has to say and not supporting it at all other than saying "It has worked before" and not giving and evidence. I haven't bashed anyone. What are you talking about? His reasoning is that the town can do better than a random lynch on day 1 and we should not random lynch. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. Maybe THIS town CAN do better than a random lynch on day1. It could also DO worse than a random lynch on day1. I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHICH. I am pointing out that he appears helpful by saying that oh yea we can analayze and talk and discuss and we have a better chance of finding a mafia on day1. I think this looks pretty cool to the casual observer as yea...he sounds intelligent and useful...whereas in reality....we really don't know how good this town is. If we have a terrible town maybe we should just keeping randoming!! How can the town do worse than a RL day1.
I'm not sure if that's a serious question. But I'll bite.
We can be led down the wrong path by inexperienced townspeople or experienced mafia players or the combination of both and easily have wagons on only townspeople. With the mafia members knowing whos who, they have an advantage on day 1 to control the wagons more.
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you want a shovel to dig yourself out of the hole you're making? I'd help you bro, but this champagne glass I'm holding is a little too smooth to put down.
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YAY head to head with the masta. Take note guys. If Ace is on the wagon, I'm surely going to die...so PLEASE remember who drove this wagon and why. I provided ample reason (at this stage in the game) for my vote, Ace has not. Just says it's easy. *shrug* Honestly, I think HE'S making it too easy too...but that's just my opinion.
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VisceraEyes should be renamed Sixth Sense because he's seeing things.
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I'm not digging a hole Ace, you are. But unfortunately, it's good to be king amirite?
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[QU+ Show Spoiler +OTE] On July 22 2011 12:03 DragonReborn422 wrote:On July 22 2011 11:59 Trotske wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:54 DragonReborn422 wrote:On July 22 2011 11:49 Trotske wrote:On July 22 2011 11:43 DragonReborn422 wrote:
You're missing the point of my argument Viscera. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. I found it strange that you protest it making you look scummy. That is all. Perhaps our chances of hitting the mafia is more than 25% perhaps not. Again, I don't care a lick about the lynch. I'm pointing out that you are trying to helpful to the inexperienced whereas you're actually not. Could you point out the flaws in his reasoning? It seems to me that your posts have been more useless than his by bashing what he has to say and not supporting it at all other than saying "It has worked before" and not giving and evidence. I haven't bashed anyone. What are you talking about? His reasoning is that the town can do better than a random lynch on day 1 and we should not random lynch. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. Maybe THIS town CAN do better than a random lynch on day1. It could also DO worse than a random lynch on day1. I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHICH. I am pointing out that he appears helpful by saying that oh yea we can analayze and talk and discuss and we have a better chance of finding a mafia on day1. I think this looks pretty cool to the casual observer as yea...he sounds intelligent and useful...whereas in reality....we really don't know how good this town is. If we have a terrible town maybe we should just keeping randoming!! How can the town do worse than a RL day1. I'm not sure if that's a serious question. But I'll bite. We can be led down the wrong path by inexperienced townspeople or experienced mafia players or the combination of both and easily have wagons on only townspeople. With the mafia members knowing whos who, they have an advantage on day 1 to control the wagons more.
Thank you, that's what I wanted a solid reason.
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Trotske, I'm glad you found a reason...but again I have never in one way or another promoted a random lynch. I just find this discussion about it somewhat interesting.
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On July 22 2011 11:58 Ace wrote:
That is only true if we are in a setup with no DT/Medic, everyone gets null reads and we don't lynch a Mafia on Day 1. Otherwise we'll be in a better position.
This is true. But I still it's only 25% chance that we are. We even gain some even if we have a cop and not a medic(but i guess it would not be worth it). But even then I don't see the point of not gaining additional information about players, and do a RL instead of trying to go for a conscious lynch. Even if we misslynch we will have a day extra of posts we can generate information to analyze.
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On July 22 2011 12:01 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:23 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I think your posts look a little forced and look helpful to the casual eye but really isn't helpful. Objecting to a random lynch by saying we have a higher chance of finding a mafia sounds really nice in theory....but honestly...i doubt the town has a higher than 25% of finding a mafia on day 1. Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:43 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I'm pointing out that you are trying to helpful to the inexperienced whereas you're actually not. You're continuing to insist that my posts aren't helpful to the inexperienced here in town. What you should be saying is that my posts aren't helpful to YOU. I'm not even TRYING to be helpful. I'm just posting what I've found from my limited experience what a beneficial environment to find scum in would be. Take it or leave it bro, that's totally up to you.
Actually your posts have been helpful to me. They have made you look scummy (to me of course).
And I've given you the reason why and apparently you're not satisfied. That's ok I guess.
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Oh, I think i have missunderstood your post Ace.
Please explain how we are in a better possition in the setup with just a medic.
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On July 22 2011 12:09 Jacinto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:58 Ace wrote:
That is only true if we are in a setup with no DT/Medic, everyone gets null reads and we don't lynch a Mafia on Day 1. Otherwise we'll be in a better position.
This is true. But I still it's only 25% chance that we are. We even gain some even if we have a cop and not a medic(but i guess it would not be worth it). But even then I don't see the point of not gaining additional information about players, and do a RL instead of trying to go for a conscious lynch. Even if we misslynch we will have a day extra of posts we can generate information to analyze.
We aren't going to be blindly random lynching though. This very discussion and, if we were to go through with a RL, the way we figure out how to do it will be more than enough ammo for Day 2 reads.
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*shrugs* Half of town hasn't even showed up yet. We'll see who looks scummier when they have. At this point, I'm CERTAIN of Ace's alignment because he's so fucking good at this game and I'm Town...he'd be able to tell that even if he DIDN'T have more information to start.
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On July 22 2011 12:13 Jacinto wrote:
Oh, I think i have missunderstood your post Ace.
Please explain how we are in a better possition in the setup with just a medic.
Relative to a setup with no power roles? Isn't that self explanatory?
Maybe this will clear it up:
I'm operating under the assumption that we are in a setup with Vanilla Town vs some combination of Mafia so we don't have to rely on Power Roles. However if one does pop up then we narrow down the setup possibilities.
Does that help?
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On July 22 2011 12:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
*shrugs* Half of town hasn't even showed up yet. We'll see who looks scummier when they have. At this point, I'm CERTAIN of Ace's alignment because he's so fucking good at this game and I'm Town...he'd be able to tell that even if he DIDN'T have more information to start.
I think you overrate how good players can be at this game. But even so...this is Day 1. See you should support a random lynch then because according to you..the experienced mafia player ace is leading the town to lynch you (presumably a townie).
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On July 22 2011 12:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
*shrugs* Half of town hasn't even showed up yet. We'll see who looks scummier when they have. At this point, I'm CERTAIN of Ace's alignment because he's so fucking good at this game and I'm Town...he'd be able to tell that even if he DIDN'T have more information to start.
uh...being good at this game doesn't mean I can figure out everyone's alignment. Even on my best days it would take me a while to "get it" and at best probably get Scum lynched no more than 50% of the time.
You misrepresenting what I've said though makes me inclined to believe that you are indeed Scum. I'm just not pushing your lynch seriously because other players haven't chimed in yet.
Besides, I've got another idea in the back of my mind depending on what happens with this Random Lynch stuff.
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It's just incredible how even DISAGREEING with Ace makes one look scummy. What I'm MOST interested in is how quickly Dragon boarded the Ace Freeway To Town Death. Take notes guys, this is mafia GOLD here.
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Yes, that does make sense. And I do agree with you that the discussion we're having right now is efficient for d2, except for the lurkers. I still don't agree with you that RL would be a good choice, except in a case of emergency, but I'm happy for the moment.
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On July 22 2011 12:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's just incredible how even DISAGREEING with Ace makes one look scummy. What I'm MOST interested in is how quickly Dragon boarded the Ace Freeway To Town Death. Take notes guys, this is mafia GOLD here.
I haven't agreed or disagreed with anyone. Why do people keep making stuff up about what I've said.
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I'm not going to be bullied into agreeing with you guys. Random Lynch is an awful idea...even if Ace is able to convince town to lynch me, that STILL gives you guys more information tomorrow (presuming I'm not the cop) than a Random Lynch would. I stand by that statement. Firmly.
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On July 22 2011 12:24 DragonReborn422 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's just incredible how even DISAGREEING with Ace makes one look scummy. What I'm MOST interested in is how quickly Dragon boarded the Ace Freeway To Town Death. Take notes guys, this is mafia GOLD here. I haven't agreed or disagreed with anyone. Why do people keep making stuff up about what I've said.
No, I'VE disagreed with Ace, and now I'M apparently scummy.
That's what I was saying.
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lol what? You need to read more.
I'm not voting you because you disagreed with me, I'm voting you because you are seeing things that aren't there aka misrepresenting my position on the issue. You have noticed that you are not the only person that has disagreed with me correct?
Dragon isn't even on my train, more so he's chilling at the boarding station deciding whether or not to buy a ticket to WinvVille with me.
But why so sketchy bro?
He hasn't even placed a vote on you
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And actually, you've agreed that Random Lynch is a better way to start than intelligently choosing a target based on your suspicions. You've agreed with EVERYTHING that Ace has said actually.
Why are you lying?
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Then why do you say I'm on the Ace train? The only relationship I have with Ace is that we both have called you scummy. I was the first to do so because his initial post in wanting to lynch you and palmar was a joke. So if there's any train ... Ace is on my train.
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Please show me where I think random lynch is better. PLEASE. I would love to see this.
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So VisceraEyes if your so against random lynch what would be your alternative? Sit around and do nothing while scum picks us off at night? Can you provide a better option backed up with reasoning other then "NO THATS BAD!!!!!"?
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And yes VisceraEyes, it does look like your making stuff up and putting them in people's mouths. It's quite annoying actually, and it hasn't even happened to me yet.
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Uh, aprudds...my suggestion was to scum-hunt...you know, play the game? Decide who's scummiest and lynch them? That's been my suggestion all along. When did I say 'NO THAT'S BAD!!!!'? It's not bad - I'll concede that it has about a 25% success rate. But I won't agree to it here because there's no need.
Ace just wants to. That's why it's being considered.
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[B]On July 22 2011 12:17 Ace wrote:[/B
Relative to a setup with no power roles? Isn't that self explanatory?
Maybe this will clear it up:
I'm operating under the assumption that we are in a setup with Vanilla Town vs some combination of Mafia so we don't have to rely on Power Roles. However if one does pop up then we narrow down the setup possibilities.
Does that help?
Actually, I realized you probably misunderstood my post. What i was wondering is: In what way would we be in a better position d2, in the medic only setup, if we RL d1 and kill a townie?
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On July 22 2011 12:31 aprudds wrote:
So VisceraEyes if your so against random lynch what would be your alternative? Sit around and do nothing while scum picks us off at night? Can you provide a better option backed up with reasoning other then "NO THATS BAD!!!!!"?
I don't really like this post. I don't really have anything concrete either. I mean this looks so scummy it can't actually be scummy right?
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On July 22 2011 12:29 DragonReborn422 wrote:
Please show me where I think random lynch is better. PLEASE. I would love to see this.
This is accurate - every post you've been VERY clear that you have NO opinion whatsoever.
Thanks for bringing that up.
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On July 22 2011 12:34 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:29 DragonReborn422 wrote:
Please show me where I think random lynch is better. PLEASE. I would love to see this. This is accurate - every post you've been VERY clear that you have NO opinion whatsoever. Thanks for bringing that up.
Not trying to be mean....but a couple of people have already accused me of doing this or saying this or that. I keep having to repeat myself because you guys don't take the time to read the post thoroughly. If there is something confusing, I will be more than happy to explain.
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On July 22 2011 12:33 Jacinto wrote:Show nested quote +[B]On July 22 2011 12:17 Ace wrote:[/B
Relative to a setup with no power roles? Isn't that self explanatory?
Maybe this will clear it up:
I'm operating under the assumption that we are in a setup with Vanilla Town vs some combination of Mafia so we don't have to rely on Power Roles. However if one does pop up then we narrow down the setup possibilities.
Does that help? Actually, I realized you probably misunderstood my post. What i was wondering is: In what way would we be in a better position d2, in the medic only setup, if we RL d1 and kill a townie?
Not much better if the medic doesn't save someone Night 1. Of course this is ignoring everything else going in regards to the RL discussion. We'd still have no idea what setup we'd be in and down a Townie.
Just to further my point though: I'm in the game assuming "worst case scenario" is where we start - that being all Vanilla vs 3 scum.
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On July 22 2011 12:37 Ace wrote:
Not much better if the medic doesn't save someone Night 1. Of course this is ignoring everything else going in regards to the RL discussion. We'd still have no idea what setup we'd be in and down a Townie.
Yeah, that's what i mean. RL could be an option, since we've actuelly got 25% chance to gain from it(assuming we lynch a townie, which is likely that we will), but only as last resort. But I understand you're no longer(and maybe have never been) for a straight up RL.
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On July 22 2011 12:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Uh, aprudds...my suggestion was to scum-hunt...you know, play the game? Decide who's scummiest and lynch them? That's been my suggestion all along. When did I say 'NO THAT'S BAD!!!!'? It's not bad - I'll concede that it has about a 25% success rate. But I won't agree to it here because there's no need.
Ace just wants to. That's why it's being considered.
Then go scum hunt. Why are you getting so worked up over something pointless? Do you honestly believe people will go for a random lynch if you have solid evidence against someone? I think you just have a bone to pick with ace and are trying to find any excuse to point at him.
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On July 22 2011 12:45 Jacinto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:37 Ace wrote:
Not much better if the medic doesn't save someone Night 1. Of course this is ignoring everything else going in regards to the RL discussion. We'd still have no idea what setup we'd be in and down a Townie.
Yeah, that's what i mean. RL could be an option, since we've actuelly got 25% chance to gain from it(assuming we lynch a townie, which is likely that we will), but only as last resort. But I understand you're no longer(and maybe have never been) for a straight up RL.
never have been, I've got more in the pot I'm just waiting on more people to post. If we do go with a RL it won't be straight up that's for sure.
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@Ace:
Does the 3 day rule apply to you? If you're still alive on day3 you're a mafia?
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Even if it did, if I was Mafia what do you think my answer would be?
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your answer should be the same regardless of your role presumably. and thus you should be telling the truth.
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Right, so obviously the answer would be "No" no matter my alignment - agreed?
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if "no" is the truth then that's fine. i'm honestly too lazy to go dig up other games and to see the meta and stuff of what's going on. the people that have played with you can also tell...
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You can ask them. I have no "known meta" though aside from following a few policy lynches almost exclusively afaik.
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Ace's posts are like an 8-ball, you aska question then look at the first letter of each line. Is Ace mafia?
On July 22 2011 13:46 Ace wrote:
You can ask them. I have no "known meta" though aside from following a few policy lynches almost exclusively afaik.
I'll take that as a yes.
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Just by suggesting a RL we have gotten alot of talk going I don't think anybody looks to scummy atm. However I can't say a RL is the type of risk I would want to take. it favors mafia so there is a 75% chance that town gets lynched and then we lose another to mafia overnight. i feel like we can make it alot less than 75% to lynch town with just good post analysis.
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Ace's meta is his reputation, which is inarguable. Nor would I want to argue it. I've read his guide. It's (incomplete) great.
My issue is not with Ace. It's Ace's play in THIS game that I have issues with.
In fact;
##Unvote: Ace
I'll build a case tomorrow. I'm running on LITERALLY zero sleep in 48 hours. If after rereading the thread (with more information ideally, fingers crossed) I don't see anyone else glaringly scummy, I'll proceed with my case against Ace.
This is simply me keeping an open mind and attempting to NOT tunnel someone d1. I've played with a few of you before, and I'm sure you'll appreciate my effort.
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Allright, I have reread the thread and I think That DR422 is acting really, really wierd.
On July 22 2011 11:23 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I think your posts look a little forced and look helpful to the casual eye but really isn't helpful. Objecting to a random lynch by saying we have a higher chance of finding a mafia sounds really nice in theory....but honestly...i doubt the town has a higher than 25% of finding a mafia on day 1.
Here he sais that he doubts it's better to scumhunt than to RL. First of all, I think that it is a bit suspicious even to hold this view, but in later posts he keep contradicting himself.
On July 22 2011 11:43 DragonReborn422 wrote:
You're missing the point of my argument Viscera. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. I found it strange that you protest it making you look scummy. That is all. Perhaps our chances of hitting the mafia is more than 25% perhaps not. Again, I don't care a lick about the lynch. I'm pointing out that you are trying to helpful to the inexperienced whereas you're actually not.
This is definitly scummy. He sais that he does not care about how we lynch. That it does not matter to him. And to be honest, Visceras posts were pretty helpful to me, since he actually answered my questions. And if he does think that it's probably better to RL(which his earlier post imply), why doesn't he argue for that? What he sais is that he has no opinion, but it's scummy that Viscera has one. Although, he doesn't criticize Ace for having one. Instead he sais:
On July 22 2011 10:59 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I like Ace's posts. Implying that he likes the idea of a RL, since this is what Ace is actually writing.
On July 22 2011 11:54 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I haven't bashed anyone. What are you talking about? His reasoning is that the town can do better than a random lynch on day 1 and we should not random lynch. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. Maybe THIS town CAN do better than a random lynch on day1. It could also DO worse than a random lynch on day1. I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHICH.
I am pointing out that he appears helpful by saying that oh yea we can analayze and talk and discuss and we have a better chance of finding a mafia on day1. I think this looks pretty cool to the casual observer as yea...he sounds intelligent and useful...whereas in reality....we really don't know how good this town is. If we have a terrible town maybe we should just keeping randoming!!
Here again. He sais he does not care if town RLs or not and that we can never do a good choice, but still he keeps doing very agressive posts about the matter. This doesn't make any sense to me. Why wouldn't he care, is he not interested in winning?
On July 22 2011 12:08 DragonReborn422 wrote:
Trotske, I'm glad you found a reason...but again I have never in one way or another promoted a random lynch. I just find this discussion about it somewhat interesting.
Again, very careful to show that he has no opinion what so ever, even though he has actually made som post leaning towards RL:
+ Show Spoiler +Objecting to a random lynch by saying we have a higher chance of finding a mafia sounds really nice in theory....but honestly...i doubt the town has a higher than 25% of finding a mafia on day I am pointing out that he appears helpful by saying that oh yea we can analayze and talk and discuss and we have a better chance of finding a mafia on day1. I think this looks pretty cool to the casual observer as yea...he sounds intelligent and useful...whereas in reality....we really don't know how good this town is. If we have a terrible town maybe we should just keeping randoming!!
I like Ace's posts.
On July 22 2011 12:24 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I haven't agreed or disagreed with anyone. Why do people keep making stuff up about what I've said.
Once again, he keeps saying he doesn't have an opinion, even though he fiercefully argues throughout the thread.
Also he is very fast on throwing accusations. Viscera, me and aprudds have allready been FoSed by him.
If he is not scum, he is just playing really, really oddly.
##Vote DragonReborn422
(This post got pretty unstructured. I apologize for this)
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lol, I can see why people say you're good Ace, you somehow convinced half the thread that a random lynch on day 1 is a good idea?
Like, I've played 8 mafia games, 5 of them we've lynched scum or 3rd party on day 1. That's far higher than 25%.
Is this just some clever ploy to start a discussion or try to figure out who is going to be the scummy white knight who trashes your plan?
btw, Killing ace day1 is stupid, just lynch him day 2 because the mafia will shoot him if he's not part of their team.
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On July 22 2011 09:58 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 09:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
*makes mud-pies* :D
And
##Vote: redFF
100% of your posts are spam so far. Keep it up my friend. I got....well, I just got the one vote...but I got a lot of scowls and at least 10 fingers to point at you sir! Most people haven't even posted at all yet... As for what to do now for the newbies, just post and wait for someone to slip up/look scummy. Also please do not lie, there have been a bunch of games recently where bad townies have lied and screwed over town, so don't lie! LAL is a very extreme policy but it makes sense. I'm not suggesting LAL, but if someone lies then I will personally look at them carefully and trust them a good deal less. We have a lot of new players in this game so i encourage more experienced players to remember that there is a difference between DUMBand SCUM. Too often day 1 lynches end up with some townie getting lynched for trivial reasons when people dont realise the townie is just bad!
Holy shit redFF, thanks for giving advice on how to play. Here is a tip: LAL doesn't work unless you actually maintain the illusion that you'll follow through with it.
But of course, you want to have an out if at some point someone actually fucks up, so you leave a hole in your policies for bad townies, something you're most certainly going to try and convince us of when one of your scumbuddies gets under pressure
On July 22 2011 11:16 redFF wrote:
I've never actually seen or heard of random lynching before, well most day 1 lynches are random but outright saying they are and randomly deciding who is lynched is something i've never seen before, can you link me to a game where a random lynch has been used? It seems pretty dumb to me, because you could hit an active pro-town player just as likely as you could hit a lurking mafia.
Why don't you just come flat out and say the plan is terrible? We all know it's not good, the problem is identifying which is more scummy, the idiots supporting the plan or the white knights fighting against it.
But I think you're just posting random shit to make yourself look good.
#vote redFF
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I'm going to bed now, and I don't really know when I will wake up. I haven't slept for a long time.
So long.
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@Palmar:
You and VE have an amazing knack for making stuff up.
List the people who comprise "half the town" that I've convinced.
@Jacinto: He never said it was better not to scumhunt than to RL. Other than that I think you've got a decent case saying DR22 isn't really showing a strong stance.
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your mother.
But it's still interesting.
Ace proposes terrible plan, Jacinto and VE don't like it, DragonReborn actually likes it. Like.. would scum actually take the chance? The lynch isn't really 25% chance because the mafia can co-ordinate their votes, if they so please, so I think what DragonReborn did was stupid, but probably not scummy.
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Putting the call out. I'm looking for a coach for the newer players, so if you are reading along and have some experience shoot me a PM
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Wow, random lynch, eh? I'm not sure I like that idea, but coming the guy who was able to "break" Paranoid mafia, I'm almost willing to go along with it. However, my issue is who gets to decide the random lynch? Ace? That just doesn't seem right.
I brought this up in Arkham Asylum and got lambasted for it, but I'm highly suspicious of early policy posts like:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 22 2011 08:36 VisceraEyes wrote:Hi town! I'm VisceraEyes! Some of you I might know me from the several games I've lost for my team in the past. This game I'm going to turn that around. Some requests: If you're fluent in BB formatting, PLEASE use spoilers and quotes. Text walls are easier to swallow when they're broken up. If you're not, please keep your thoughts concise and to the point. I'd like to try and keep the discussion focused this game. Obviously with such varied personalities, this is likely to be difficult. If we all do our part to keep the thread nice, we may even get to keep the All button! ^^ Probably my most sincere hope is that we avoid some of the mud-slinging and nonsense that tends to go with these games. Obviously some of us are going to get frustrated, but if we all try and primarily attack arguments, not people, I think the game will go a lot smoother.
This sort of post feels like you're trying really hard to establish town cred (As GGQ put it in mafia XL's post game analysis, this feels like he's trying to "lead without really leading"). Also voting for Ace and then unvoting - this is precisely the wishy-washyness for which I was being called scum in Arkham Asylum.
As for the other votes already in this thread, man palmar do you really play like this every game?
On July 22 2011 18:34 Palmar wrote:
btw, Killing ace day1 is stupid, just lynch him day 2 because the mafia will shoot him if he's not part of their team.
That is terrible WIFOM logic. Now all mafia have to do is just not kill him if he is town. Whether scum kill someone or not should never be used as rationale for determining someone's alignment. Along the same lines, your vote for redFF seem completely devoid of logic - I'm just gonna chalk it up to your hyper aggressive play style that has been so frustrating to deal with in Arkham asylum. I said this in that game and I'll say it here as well, random tunneling where you can interpret any response they could possibly take as being scummy is not good scum-hunting (in fact it is no different than the random lynching you're so against).
Then, we have jacinto's analysis of DragonReborn. This actually looks like a pretty reasonable analysis. I'm going to wait for DR to respond to jacinto before I get caught up in any bandwagon against him.
My 3rd suspect (aside from VE and DR) so far is appruds. I know he's a really strong scum player from mafia XL, masterful and not drawing attention to himself while still able to derail discussion and deflect attention when the heat was. His posting so far feels like he's just providing some thread presence while not really contributing any analysis or pressure on anyone. I realize that this is kind of bringing a lot of meta-game into the analysis which can be bad, but we should definitely be keeping an eye on him.
So far the best case seems to be against DR, but as I said above, I'm going to wait until he responds before actually voting.
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um why would i show a strong stance on whether to random lynch or not. I thought the argument about it was pointless and hence why i thought viscera was scummy. I don't really even understand why we're still talking about this random lynch. we have no idea how good this town is at scum-hunting so the notion that omg we can nail a mafia 5/8 times is absurd.
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On July 22 2011 21:26 Palmar wrote:
your mother.
But it's still interesting.
Ace proposes terrible plan, Jacinto and VE don't like it, DragonReborn actually likes it. Like.. would scum actually take the chance? The lynch isn't really 25% chance because the mafia can co-ordinate their votes, if they so please, so I think what DragonReborn did was stupid, but probably not scummy.
what exactly did i do that is stupid oh god of mafia?
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I've noticed most of you don't read people's posts AT ALL. Like I keep seeing questions of if there is a random lynch how it will work. Ace has already posted how this will be done in a fair way.
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Also, just a reminder to everyone, please play nice. Lets avoid having a repeat of SNMMIV if at all possible ^_^
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On July 22 2011 14:44 Sevryn wrote:
Just by suggesting a RL we have gotten alot of talk going I don't think anybody looks to scummy atm. However I can't say a RL is the type of risk I would want to take. it favors mafia so there is a 75% chance that town gets lynched and then we lose another to mafia overnight. i feel like we can make it alot less than 75% to lynch town with just good post analysis.
I really want to know where people come up with this myth that a random lynch favors the mafia. In a BALANCED game, it should be exactly break-even for both sides to random lynch and/or random night kill. It really depends on the skill of the players to push the favor in one side or other. Given that it's Day1 and a bunch of players are new, an argument can be made that a random lynch may even be MORE successful at finding a scum on Day1.
People have given me slack for not having an opinion but leaning one way or another about this case. It's because ITS DAY1. It really doesn't matter to me who gets lynched on Day1 to me. If it gets randomized, that's fine for me too. I've also made my reads on some of the posts that looked scummy to me.
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On July 22 2011 23:15 DragonReborn422 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 21:26 Palmar wrote:
your mother.
But it's still interesting.
Ace proposes terrible plan, Jacinto and VE don't like it, DragonReborn actually likes it. Like.. would scum actually take the chance? The lynch isn't really 25% chance because the mafia can co-ordinate their votes, if they so please, so I think what DragonReborn did was stupid, but probably not scummy. what exactly did i do that is stupid oh god of mafia?
You agreed with ace's plan.
From town perspective it doesn't make any sense, as judging by the sample of games I've played town has more like 50%+ chance of hitting mafia on day one, so if you're town, you should by logic never agree to this plan.
But I don't think you'd out yourself as mafia like that... early, so I'm inclined to believe it's bad judgement.
redFF however responded in the scummiest way possible to Ace's plan, he was indecisive, tried to appear interested in the plan by asking further questions, when just thinking about the problem would lead you to understand why it's bad.
That's why I'm voting for redFF, I think it's pretty obvious that he was avoiding taking a firm stance on it. Don't forget a random lynch is really the worst scenario for town (aside from the fact mafia can stack), and the entire point of the mafia game, is to increase that chance by analysis and logic.
So yeah, read red's posts, realize that they don't make sense, given his experience as a player.
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I'd like to respond to Jacinto's post. I'm not sure how to multi-quote so I'll just address his points individually.
Here he sais that he doubts it's better to scumhunt than to RL. First of all, I think that it is a bit suspicious even to hold this view, but in later posts he keep contradicting himself.
I've never said it's beter to scumhunt than to RL. Don't know where you get this from.
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This is definitly scummy. He sais that he does not care about how we lynch. That it does not matter to him. And to be honest, Visceras posts were pretty helpful to me, since he actually answered my questions. And if he does think that it's probably better to RL(which his earlier post imply), why doesn't he argue for that? What he sais is that he has no opinion, but it's scummy that Viscera has one. Although, he doesn't criticize Ace for having one. Instead he sais
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Ok you kind of got me here. I don't really care who we lynch (although I will fervently defend myself as I'm 100% sure of my town townie role). I don't think Viscera is scummy for having an opinion. Where do you come up with this? I think Viscera's post is a somewhat forced comeback to Ace which although sounds nice isn't really. I think his post is FORCED and looks overly helpful (whilst not being that helpful)!!!!!
Implying that he likes the idea of a RL, since this is what Ace is actually writing.
Don't know where you get this idea from. First of all Ace made several posts. I just enjoyed his posts in general. If I say..Obama made a great speech. That doesn't mean I agree with everything in it. I just liked his posts in general.
Here again. He sais he does not care if town RLs or not and that we can never do a good choice, but still he keeps doing very agressive posts about the matter. This doesn't make any sense to me. Why wouldn't he care, is he not interested in winning?
How am I being aggressive? Almost all my posts are responses to people trying to defend myself from made up accusations. I never said the town can never do a good choice. I said I doubt we can achieve higher than 25% and it depends on the town/mafia players. Quit putting your bias into my posts please.
Again, very careful to show that he has no opinion what so ever, even though he has actually made som post leaning towards RL
Once again, he keeps saying he doesn't have an opinion, even though he fiercefully argues throughout the thread.
Also he is very fast on throwing accusations. Viscera, me and aprudds have allready been FoSed by him.
If he is not scum, he is just playing really, really oddly.
So my mafia tactic is to push the town towards a random lynch...this is what you're implying? Yet I have made accusations on Viscera, you and aprudds? Makes sense yo. So I can't throw accusations? Lol. I had reasons (good or bad) for thinking viscera's posts were scummy. I just didn't like aprudds first post. I hate saying things like "If he is not scum, he is just playing really, really oddly." aka if he isnt scum he sucks. i probably have more games played than everyone here combined and probably at a higher level of play. Let's try to stay away from the mud-slinging ok?
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@Palmar
I've agreed to Ace's plan. Where? Please show me a post that DIRECTLY states we should random lynch. I've given some arguments on why a random lynch is OK because some of you guys didn't understand it.
Also your sample size of 8 games makes you the mafia theorycrafter to tell me who has played over 100 what i do is stupid? for real?
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How the fuck have you played 100 games? have you been playing for years?
Anyway
On July 22 2011 12:03 DragonReborn422 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:59 Trotske wrote:On July 22 2011 11:54 DragonReborn422 wrote:On July 22 2011 11:49 Trotske wrote:On July 22 2011 11:43 DragonReborn422 wrote:
You're missing the point of my argument Viscera. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. I found it strange that you protest it making you look scummy. That is all. Perhaps our chances of hitting the mafia is more than 25% perhaps not. Again, I don't care a lick about the lynch. I'm pointing out that you are trying to helpful to the inexperienced whereas you're actually not. Could you point out the flaws in his reasoning? It seems to me that your posts have been more useless than his by bashing what he has to say and not supporting it at all other than saying "It has worked before" and not giving and evidence. I haven't bashed anyone. What are you talking about? His reasoning is that the town can do better than a random lynch on day 1 and we should not random lynch. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. Maybe THIS town CAN do better than a random lynch on day1. It could also DO worse than a random lynch on day1. I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHICH. I am pointing out that he appears helpful by saying that oh yea we can analayze and talk and discuss and we have a better chance of finding a mafia on day1. I think this looks pretty cool to the casual observer as yea...he sounds intelligent and useful...whereas in reality....we really don't know how good this town is. If we have a terrible town maybe we should just keeping randoming!! How can the town do worse than a RL day1. I'm not sure if that's a serious question. But I'll bite. We can be led down the wrong path by inexperienced townspeople or experienced mafia players or the combination of both and easily have wagons on only townspeople. With the mafia members knowing whos who, they have an advantage on day 1 to control the wagons more.
This makes it look like you're perfectly fine with RL. That's a terrible idea and you should know it. And yes, I call out anyone who acts stupidly for acting stupidly.
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If you count live games of mafia, I started playing when I was in the ninth grade...so I've played mafia for about 11 years now.
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haha live games, sure I have 100 games on epicmafia... herpderpherpderp
Anyway, redFF, tell me your thoughts.
Also, pyo, he needs to be shot in the face, if we default to a policy lynch, Pyo is a great one, as he refuses to commit on day 1 when he's "town". So he just self-votes or something.
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I'm ok with a random lynch. I'm also ok for an unrandom lynch.
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By that I meant
DR422: tell me your thoughts on redFF.
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On July 23 2011 00:15 Palmar wrote:
By that I meant
DR422: tell me your thoughts on redFF.
I haven't re-read the thread yet. I've mostly just responded to a couple things regarding myself. I will re-read now.
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interesting, unwarranted self-importance.
Maybe that Jac guy was on to something.
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RE: redFF
he really hasn't posted much. a couple one liners. I used to only post one liners and jokes on day 1....it was entertaining and easy to balance into your mafia game as well.
He hasn't gone overly out of his way to look helpful (as viscera has). He's made like 2 quality posts....one in which he rants about newbies and one in which he is confused about randomness. These two don't really go well together to be honest. He's probably average or maybe a little above average scum candidate to me.
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Okay, welcome to the party Palmar.
I agree with your assessment. Killing Ace would be...premature.
DragonReborn422 however...
DR422 has been playing very defensively. He very clearly states that
On July 23 2011 00:14 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I'm ok with a random lynch. I'm also ok for an unrandom lynch.
Refusing to take a stand one way or the other. Seems like he's waiting to see which idea is more popular before deciding which HE prefers.
He likes Ace's posts, in spite of them being mostly arrogant and full of horrible ideas. But maybe there's a reason for that.
On July 22 2011 23:57 DragonReborn422 wrote:
@Palmar
I've agreed to Ace's plan. Where? Please show me a post that DIRECTLY states we should random lynch. I've given some arguments on why a random lynch is OK because some of you guys didn't understand it.
Also your sample size of 8 games makes you the mafia theorycrafter to tell me who has played over 100 what i do is stupid? for real?
He does this all game - says something close to A, someone calls him out for saying A, and then he DEMANDS that you show him where he SAID A, knowing that he didn't say A...that he only said something CLOSE to A.
Also, unwarranted self-importance indeed. This post sounds like something Ace would say...if he wasn't so good at this game.
All and all, I agree with Palmar that DR422 looks scummy as hellfire and believe that he's a better d1 lynch than Ace.
##Vote: DragonReborn422
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I want to lynch redFF VisEyes...
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I don't Palmar. I don't agree that he's scummy.
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Your argument for wanting to kill redFF is that he negated one of your favorite policies with his post. Call him a bastard...don't kill him for it.
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I for one also disagree with LAL. First of all, auto-lynching anyone is a bad idea...lynches should be based on analysis and information...not policy. Also, with manipulative players in the game (*wave @ Ace*) words can be twisted to look like a lie when it's not in fact...turning your 'town protection policy' into a weapon that can be used against townies. No thanks. We can't afford to just auto-lynch townies in a game this small. FUCK LAL
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 isclaimer*
Don't lie - it's bad for town. If you lie, we'll find out and you'll have to answer for it. Don't EVER lie to town, for ANY reason. All it does is make you look bad, even with the best of intentions at heart.
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Dragon for such a "EXPERIENCED PLAYER" your play has been less then stellar. Stuff like
i probably have more games played than everyone here combined and probably at a higher level of play. Let's try to stay away from the mud-slinging ok?
Makes me cry and laugh at the same time. You really seem to like waving your penis around eh?
+ Show Spoiler +On July 22 2011 10:10 DragonReborn422 wrote:
i was a heavy post counter for werewolf games on 2+2's puzzles and other games. I'm not sure if i will continue that trend on here for mafia games.
I'm sure i will have to adjust to the play style on here. I've mostly played "vanilla games" and not "mish-mash games" which have creative roles. I have probably 100 or so vanilla games played and about 10 mish-mash games played.
I remember the first time a bunch of us played a game on mafiascum and we got into a flame war with the forum just because the style of the game is so different between forums. I am fairly elitist and think my own style is very good, but I'm ok with taking a backseat and learning the ropes on a new forum.
I will post some reads soon.
I like your style of flexing your over 9000 games played. With that many games your reads must be super awesome as well!
+ Show Spoiler +On July 22 2011 10:59 DragonReborn422 wrote:
Jacinto and VisceraEyes look kind of scummy. Not sure on how much you guys have played though.
FOS (Finger of Suspicion) : Jacinto and Viscera. Ok this is the one and only time im going to use FOS...but i couldnt resist the first time. it's amusing to me in some way.
You guys look helpful but you're really not. Posts look a little forced. Jacinto looks a little better than Viscera.
I like Ace's posts.
Some deep reasoning there. I guess your scumdar is just that good from all those games you played........
+ Show Spoiler +On July 22 2011 11:23 DragonReborn422 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 22 2011 10:59 DragonReborn422 wrote:
Jacinto and VisceraEyes look kind of scummy. Not sure on how much you guys have played though.
FOS (Finger of Suspicion) : Jacinto and Viscera. Ok this is the one and only time im going to use FOS...but i couldnt resist the first time. it's amusing to me in some way.
You guys look helpful but you're really not. Posts look a little forced. Jacinto looks a little better than Viscera.
I like Ace's posts. All right Dragon, then we dispense with the pleasantries. I'm trying to create a pro-town environment. Tell me how that's scummy if you please. Clearly you agree with lynching randomly as Ace does, and his non-answer to my question apparently doesn't bother you because you're in perfect agreement about who you'd lynch given the reins. So let me pose this question to you, because I KNOW Ace has an answer for me. What benefit does town get from lynching a random person? I'm not necessarily in favor of a random lynch. However, a random lynch has a solid success rate. Given that this is a game with a fair amount of beginners, it can be very easy for the mafia to direct the kills in this game. Again, a lot of this depends on how much you have played...but it looks like you have some experience. I think your posts look a little forced and look helpful to the casual eye but really isn't helpful. Objecting to a random lynch by saying we have a higher chance of finding a mafia sounds really nice in theory.... but honestly...i doubt the town has a higher than 25% of finding a mafia on day 1.
Or not..... I guess your scumdar is pretty terrible then.
Put that penis down, your not the best player in the world and acting like it is just making you look like a fool. Your pride and indecisiveness is just going to get you hanged.
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On July 22 2011 18:48 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 09:58 redFF wrote:On July 22 2011 09:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
*makes mud-pies* :D
And
##Vote: redFF
100% of your posts are spam so far. Keep it up my friend. I got....well, I just got the one vote...but I got a lot of scowls and at least 10 fingers to point at you sir! Most people haven't even posted at all yet... As for what to do now for the newbies, just post and wait for someone to slip up/look scummy. Also please do not lie, there have been a bunch of games recently where bad townies have lied and screwed over town, so don't lie! LAL is a very extreme policy but it makes sense. I'm not suggesting LAL, but if someone lies then I will personally look at them carefully and trust them a good deal less. We have a lot of new players in this game so i encourage more experienced players to remember that there is a difference between DUMBand SCUM. Too often day 1 lynches end up with some townie getting lynched for trivial reasons when people dont realise the townie is just bad! Holy shit redFF, thanks for giving advice on how to play. Here is a tip: LAL doesn't work unless you actually maintain the illusion that you'll follow through with it. But of course, you want to have an out if at some point someone actually fucks up, so you leave a hole in your policies for bad townies, something you're most certainly going to try and convince us of when one of your scumbuddies gets under pressure Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:16 redFF wrote:
I've never actually seen or heard of random lynching before, well most day 1 lynches are random but outright saying they are and randomly deciding who is lynched is something i've never seen before, can you link me to a game where a random lynch has been used? It seems pretty dumb to me, because you could hit an active pro-town player just as likely as you could hit a lurking mafia. Why don't you just come flat out and say the plan is terrible? We all know it's not good, the problem is identifying which is more scummy, the idiots supporting the plan or the white knights fighting against it. But I think you're just posting random shit to make yourself look good. #vote redFF
So in that first post you quoted I made a warning about lying to town because in recent games I have played/seen it has bit town in the ass. You yourself lied multiple times in PTP1 for terrible reasons and got yourself lynched...
Ok, I said lying is bad but I don't want to LAL because sometimes dumb townies lie, how is that scummy? I'm just trying to lay out pro-town policies, which imo LAL is not.
As for the second post, how is that scummy?
It seems pretty dumb to me, because you could hit an active pro-town player just as likely as you could hit a lurking mafia.
That looks like taking a stance to me, and wanting to see a game where it has been used is fair enough. I hadn't quite made a decision regarding it but yes I think it's pretty clear that we shouldn't random lynch.
I really cannot fathom how you saw something scummy enough to place your vote on me in there...
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I'm not waving my e-penis around. It's annoying when peopel with 8 games played calls my idea stupid. I haven't called anyone's ideas or posts stupid.
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Not to mention they say I do something which I haven't done is stupid. that's probably even more infuriating.
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On July 23 2011 01:21 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 18:48 Palmar wrote:On July 22 2011 09:58 redFF wrote:On July 22 2011 09:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
*makes mud-pies* :D
And
##Vote: redFF
100% of your posts are spam so far. Keep it up my friend. I got....well, I just got the one vote...but I got a lot of scowls and at least 10 fingers to point at you sir! Most people haven't even posted at all yet... As for what to do now for the newbies, just post and wait for someone to slip up/look scummy. Also please do not lie, there have been a bunch of games recently where bad townies have lied and screwed over town, so don't lie! LAL is a very extreme policy but it makes sense. I'm not suggesting LAL, but if someone lies then I will personally look at them carefully and trust them a good deal less. We have a lot of new players in this game so i encourage more experienced players to remember that there is a difference between DUMBand SCUM. Too often day 1 lynches end up with some townie getting lynched for trivial reasons when people dont realise the townie is just bad! Holy shit redFF, thanks for giving advice on how to play. Here is a tip: LAL doesn't work unless you actually maintain the illusion that you'll follow through with it. But of course, you want to have an out if at some point someone actually fucks up, so you leave a hole in your policies for bad townies, something you're most certainly going to try and convince us of when one of your scumbuddies gets under pressure On July 22 2011 11:16 redFF wrote:
I've never actually seen or heard of random lynching before, well most day 1 lynches are random but outright saying they are and randomly deciding who is lynched is something i've never seen before, can you link me to a game where a random lynch has been used? It seems pretty dumb to me, because you could hit an active pro-town player just as likely as you could hit a lurking mafia. Why don't you just come flat out and say the plan is terrible? We all know it's not good, the problem is identifying which is more scummy, the idiots supporting the plan or the white knights fighting against it. But I think you're just posting random shit to make yourself look good. #vote redFF So in that first post you quoted I made a warning about lying to town because in recent games I have played/seen it has bit town in the ass. You yourself lied multiple times in PTP1 for terrible reasons and got yourself lynched... Ok, I said lying is bad but I don't want to LAL because sometimes dumb townies lie, how is that scummy? I'm just trying to lay out pro-town policies, which imo LAL is not. As for the second post, how is that scummy? It seems pretty dumb to me, because you could hit an active pro-town player just as likely as you could hit a lurking mafia. That looks like taking a stance to me, and wanting to see a game where it has been used is fair enough. I hadn't quite made a decision regarding it but yes I think it's pretty clear that we shouldn't random lynch. I really cannot fathom how you saw something scummy enough to place your vote on me in there...
Hi, I'm not trying to convince you that you're scum. So instead of being so focused on yourself, why don't you tell us whom else we should lynch?
Now that we've established you don't want to random lynch, start putting down ideas.
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On July 23 2011 01:24 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I'm not waving my e-penis around. It's annoying when peopel with 8 games played calls my idea stupid. I haven't called anyone's ideas or posts stupid.
Your waving it again. I don't think you can even recognize it.
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On July 23 2011 01:30 aprudds wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 01:24 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I'm not waving my e-penis around. It's annoying when peopel with 8 games played calls my idea stupid. I haven't called anyone's ideas or posts stupid. Your waving it again. I don't think you can even recognize it.
well, you're certainly giving me enough attention. move onto something else kitty.
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So, in 100 games of playing you have learned how to flaunt your 100 games of playing, and criticizing people who make logical calls?
Nice.
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Yes...100 games of learning how to Appeal to Emotion and belittle others. Must have been a lot of QUALITY games.
Dragon, you've expressed suspicion on me, why not build a case against me instead of trying to discredit those who are attacking you? Your buddy Ace has a vote on me, now would be a SPLENDID time.
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1. redFF - i actually have a slight town lean on him. i gave a little analysis on him a few posts ago.
2. Sevryn - has made only 2 posts that i can see. both have been advice/generalizations about the game. he doesn't have any leans on anyone. i lean mafia on him.
3. Jacinto - trying hard which is a pretty good sign. most likely not mafia/mafia with viscera. But I think its very possible one or the other is. slight mafia lean.
4. Palmar - lean town...although i don't really get the case on redFF. i mean most cases are pretty weak on day1...but you seem somewhat adamant on redFF.
5. VisceraEyes - Heavy mafia lean. Very defensive and a I still like my read about his posts regarding the random lynch to be forced. Does post a fair amount so not lynching on day1 would be ok.
6. aprudds - has made 5 posts since the game has begun. 0 have been regarding player roles. They've all been about what he likes or doesn't like about posts. No lean.
7. Pyo - a pretty solid long post. slight town lean
8. Trotske - pretty UTR. nothing stands out. thus a slight mafia lean.
9. DragonReborn422 - 100% townie
10. Ace - have no clue on his role but i like his posts...would like to keep him around for at least another day
11.Lord Vatti - hasn't posted
12. Fortress Fortune - hasn't posted
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thanks DragonReborn422
##Unvote redFF
##Vote DragonReborn422
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On July 23 2011 01:49 Palmar wrote:
thanks DragonReborn422
##Unvote redFF
##Vote DragonReborn422
I don't really like this bandwagon forming against DR. Maybe it's because I don't find the idea of a random lynch to be so abhorrently objectionable, but I didn't really get a scum read from DR. Granted he's been giving off this "I'm better than you" aura of arrogance, which does rub me the wrong way a little, but that doesn't make him scum.
I think we're better off putting some pressure on the guys who haven't said much of anything. Sevryn, Trotske, Fortress? Care to comment? (Lord Vatti was modkilled for disappearing immediately after SNMMIV started and wouldn't at all be surprised if he got modkilled here as well - I hope Curu has been keeping up, lol)
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yeah pyo, I would expect you to like random lynching, as you think voting for yourself is a good idea on day one.
So, how about it, we lynch you instead?
That list was completely uncalled for, making a list like that where he calls everyone town is just his way of trying to make friends as scum.
Why the fuck would you share your town reads as town? I don't really give a shit who he thinks is town, I want to know who he thinks is scum.
Like, I don't even think this is a questionable lynch, that shitty list just screams that he wants to contribute, make friends, but not commit to anything.
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Sure ill comment,
I don't know what to think, DR seems like a douche but that doesn't mean hes scum I feel like all this back and forth between DR, VE, and Ace could be some elaborate plan to confuse the new players like me into getting behind one of these guys to lead them to a lynch.
The way I see our D1 lynch options are Inactive > one of DR, VE, or Ace > RL.
That's my view.
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DR, what do you mean by 'forced'? I thought I knew, but I want to know what YOU mean when you say it. You've said it in almost ALL the posts regarding me you've made.
What do you mean when you say my posts look 'forced'?
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On July 23 2011 02:20 Palmar wrote:
yeah pyo, I would expect you to like random lynching, as you think voting for yourself is a good idea on day one.
So, how about it, we lynch you instead?
That list was completely uncalled for, making a list like that where he calls everyone town is just his way of trying to make friends as scum.
Why the fuck would you share your town reads as town? I don't really give a shit who he thinks is town, I want to know who he thinks is scum.
Like, I don't even think this is a questionable lynch, that shitty list just screams that he wants to contribute, make friends, but not commit to anything.
why would you not share your reads on everyone? if you die and your role is revealed your opinions matter more. not that your reads are all necessarily right...but at least you know if he died a townie he at least had the best intentions.
Of the 9 players I put leans on townie or mafia..I put 4 mafia leans. I did not call everyone town.
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On July 23 2011 02:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
DR, what do you mean by 'forced'? I thought I knew, but I want to know what YOU mean when you say it. You've said it in almost ALL the posts regarding me you've made.
What do you mean when you say my posts look 'forced'?
The idea behind the mafia player is to "fit in" with the rest of the town. It's harder to post as mafia because you have to put more thoughts into your posts so you don't give yourself away. As a townie, you don't quite have that holding you back.
When I say your post appear forced....it means a post that seems unnatural and doesn't flow with a townsperson's way of thinking. Your response to ace's idea of a random lynch seemed like the thought "oh i can look to help the town by derailing this idea (regardless of how good the idea is)"
of course this is all only conjecture and theory on my part.
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On July 23 2011 00:08 Palmar wrote:How the fuck have you played 100 games? have you been playing for years? Anyway Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:03 DragonReborn422 wrote:On July 22 2011 11:59 Trotske wrote:On July 22 2011 11:54 DragonReborn422 wrote:On July 22 2011 11:49 Trotske wrote:On July 22 2011 11:43 DragonReborn422 wrote:
You're missing the point of my argument Viscera. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. I found it strange that you protest it making you look scummy. That is all. Perhaps our chances of hitting the mafia is more than 25% perhaps not. Again, I don't care a lick about the lynch. I'm pointing out that you are trying to helpful to the inexperienced whereas you're actually not. Could you point out the flaws in his reasoning? It seems to me that your posts have been more useless than his by bashing what he has to say and not supporting it at all other than saying "It has worked before" and not giving and evidence. I haven't bashed anyone. What are you talking about? His reasoning is that the town can do better than a random lynch on day 1 and we should not random lynch. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. Maybe THIS town CAN do better than a random lynch on day1. It could also DO worse than a random lynch on day1. I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHICH. I am pointing out that he appears helpful by saying that oh yea we can analayze and talk and discuss and we have a better chance of finding a mafia on day1. I think this looks pretty cool to the casual observer as yea...he sounds intelligent and useful...whereas in reality....we really don't know how good this town is. If we have a terrible town maybe we should just keeping randoming!! How can the town do worse than a RL day1. I'm not sure if that's a serious question. But I'll bite. We can be led down the wrong path by inexperienced townspeople or experienced mafia players or the combination of both and easily have wagons on only townspeople. With the mafia members knowing whos who, they have an advantage on day 1 to control the wagons more. This makes it look like you're perfectly fine with RL. That's a terrible idea and you should know it. And yes, I call out anyone who acts stupidly for acting stupidly.
##vote Palmar
Guys, listen up. This is such a ridiculous post, part of many that Palmar has made that should be looked at seriously.
Hold your biases for a second, stop and re-read the thread from the start of the game. You'll notice Palmar has been trying to undermine myself and DR22 on this Random Lynch issue. Not only did he put words in our mouths to make up stuff that wasn't said but he's even taking it a step further and now acting like "The Town" has decided Random Lynching is bad, and is thus Scummy if you support it.
Since when did we ever decide that Random Lynching is a Scum move?.
We never did. Even worse, how could he take that stance (deciding that "The Town" has made RL scummy) when he posted this:
On July 22 2011 18:34 Palmar wrote:
lol, I can see why people say you're good Ace, you somehow convinced half the thread that a random lynch on day 1 is a good idea?
How is it that I could have convinced half the thread that a Random Lynch is a good idea, but within the same day you also have stated that the Town has decided otherwise? Like here:
On July 22 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 23:15 DragonReborn422 wrote:On July 22 2011 21:26 Palmar wrote:
your mother.
But it's still interesting.
Ace proposes terrible plan, Jacinto and VE don't like it, DragonReborn actually likes it. Like.. would scum actually take the chance? The lynch isn't really 25% chance because the mafia can co-ordinate their votes, if they so please, so I think what DragonReborn did was stupid, but probably not scummy. what exactly did i do that is stupid oh god of mafia? You agreed with ace's plan. From town perspective it doesn't make any sense, as judging by the sample of games I've played town has more like 50%+ chance of hitting mafia on day one, so if you're town, you should by logic never agree to this plan.
Not only is he speaking for the Town, but now he is throwing out some falsities. The town doesn't have a "more than 50% chance" of hitting Mafia on Day 1 in any game of Mafia unless the game is broken. This is such an utterly stupid and absurd statement I don't know how anyone who has ever played a game of Mafia hasn't called him out on it.
This quoted post is also another in a long line of Palmar misrepresenting DR's position. As DR asked him:
On July 22 2011 23:57 DragonReborn422 wrote:
@Palmar
I've agreed to Ace's plan. Where? Please show me a post that DIRECTLY states we should random lynch.
To which Palmar has no response. The same as he can't list who I've convinced to RL.
This is typical newbie Scum play. Like I said, just re-read the thread from scratch. There is no way that someone that is BLINDLY tunneling, not even reading other player's posts and purposely misrepresenting their position is likely Town. That's just so many blatant bad moves that he should be lynched.
So once again, ## vote Palmar.
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Sorry i was out so long, went to beach w/ family. didn't think so much would happen in a day.
re-reading the post...
## vote Palmar
he seems the most suspicious, and i definitely agree with ace. Palmar man, start defending yourself or your heading to the rope.
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I'm trying to find the mafia regardless of what some of you might think. Trying to save myself does help find the mafia as I am 100% sure of my own role.
I apologize if I am doing it differently than how some of you may be accustomed to. I'm not familiar with the traditions on the forum.
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While a lot of palmar's posts are not based on facts. They look natural and free-flowing and thus townie. He seems like an emotional player and just posts whatever is on his mind.
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It occurs to me that, as said previously, if Ace isnt a townie, he is A) a very good mafia, and B) we are all in trouble. we don't have enough of ace's point of view besides No Palmar. I'm not accusing ace, and i am inclined to think Palmar is scum, but even though ace seems like a focused townie, we should all be keeping our eyes on him...
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I actually think trotske is a pretty solid vote right now. he's playing so safe.
## vote trotske
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/facepalm
I'm just gonna go to sleep.
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On July 23 2011 02:46 DragonReborn422 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 02:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
DR, what do you mean by 'forced'? I thought I knew, but I want to know what YOU mean when you say it. You've said it in almost ALL the posts regarding me you've made.
What do you mean when you say my posts look 'forced'? The idea behind the mafia player is to "fit in" with the rest of the town. It's harder to post as mafia because you have to put more thoughts into your posts so you don't give yourself away. As a townie, you don't quite have that holding you back. When I say your post appear forced....it means a post that seems unnatural and doesn't flow with a townsperson's way of thinking. Your response to ace's idea of a random lynch seemed like the thought "oh i can look to help the town by derailing this idea (regardless of how good the idea is)" of course this is all only conjecture and theory on my part.
I think I get what you're saying. But here's my issue with this post. You're AGAIN advocating Ace's idea without actually saying so.
And at no point did I DERAIL his idea - I gave my opinion on it and gave the reasons I didn't like it. I never shut down discussion on it, nor did I try and steer discussion away from it. I gave my opinion on it. And I have the reasons I didn't like it. What part of what I said doesn't "flow with a townsperson's way of thinking"? You're saying that a townsperson would NOT want to pick the best lynch candidate based on behavior and information? Or that a townsperson would NOT rather increase their chances of hitting scum by discussion rather than take a flat 25% on a random lynch? Which part of my explanations is "unnatural"?
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On July 23 2011 02:59 Lord Vatti wrote:
It occurs to me that, as said previously, if Ace isnt a townie, he is A) a very good mafia, and B) we are all in trouble. we don't have enough of ace's point of view besides No Palmar. I'm not accusing ace, and i am inclined to think Palmar is scum, but even though ace seems like a focused townie, we should all be keeping our eyes on him...
Why are you inclined to think Palmar is scum?
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/suspicious look
I can't put my finger on it but it just gives this weird mafia VIBE that doesn't seem right... I dunno. Cant put it into words. Someone back me up here...
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On July 22 2011 10:31 VisceraEyes wrote:Hmmmmm...ACE with the first scummy post. Go figure. Ace, what possible information could be gleaned from deciding who to lynch based on randomness (if that's what you're proposing?) I'm relatively new, so forgive if this is something obvious that I just haven't picked up yet...
This is your to Ace after he suggested randing the kill. I kinda basically just ignored Ace's post after I read it as 1...I doubt it would happen and 2... I thought it was mostly a joke.
You call his post scummy yet you state that you're new and there might be something obvious you're missing. This post does not seem natural.
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Ace's argument is basically revolved around this sentence.
From town perspective it doesn't make any sense, as judging by the sample of games I've played town has more like 50%+ chance of hitting mafia on day one, so if you're town, you should by logic never agree to this plan.
This is brilliant, from this sentence, Ace pulls two things that simply aren't true.
point a) he says I claim to speak for town.
This is incorrect, I say this in a general way "Looking at any given mafia game from the perspective of the town players" would've been more accurate, but I assumed that people wouldn't try to twist things that aren't there.
and point b) he says that I'm throwing around false facts, again, just not true.
If people actually bother to read the sentence, you can see I specifically say "and judging by the 8 games that I have played". Any statistician will tell you the sample size is too small to really mean anything, but it's all I have, so I throw it out there. Feel free to provide more statistics.
So, Ace is being guilty of exactly the thing that he has accused me of, namely putting words in people's mouth. Sure, I felt after initially reading the thread that there was more support for the RL plan than there actually was. And I wrote the post on DR without actually checking if he had explicitly suggested we RL, while in truth he had simply said he'd be fine with it.
Now, that this is out of the way, I really want people to take a look at the list that DR posted, it really, really is something that strikes me as very odd.
And yes town, this is Ace leading a bad lynch, I'm not still sure if it's because he is scum and this is the best thing he could come up with, or if it's because he simply didn't read/understand my posts.
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On July 23 2011 03:11 Lord Vatti wrote:
/suspicious look
I can't put my finger on it but it just gives this weird mafia VIBE that doesn't seem right... I dunno. Cant put it into words. Someone back me up here...
palmar looks so scummy that he can't be a scum. he's just a confused villager imo
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What is odd about my list? Are you not accustomed to lists or do you disagree with my thoughts on the players? Please expand.
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On July 23 2011 03:16 DragonReborn422 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:11 Lord Vatti wrote:
/suspicious look
I can't put my finger on it but it just gives this weird mafia VIBE that doesn't seem right... I dunno. Cant put it into words. Someone back me up here...
palmar looks so scummy that he can't be a scum. he's just a confused villager imo
Oh you're from Epicmafia! That explains it.
On July 23 2011 02:50 Lord Vatti wrote:
Sorry i was out so long, went to beach w/ family. didn't think so much would happen in a day.
re-reading the post...
## vote Palmar
he seems the most suspicious, and i definitely agree with ace. Palmar man, start defending yourself or your heading to the rope.
wtf is this.
Literally explains nothing and gives no reason for his vote, I agree with Ace and seems most suspicious are not valid explanations.
so
##Vote Lord Vatti
until he comes and explains his vote.
Also
On July 23 2011 02:14 Pyo wrote:
I think we're better off putting some pressure on the guys who haven't said much of anything. Sevryn, Trotske, Fortress? Care to comment? (Lord Vatti was modkilled for disappearing immediately after SNMMIV started and wouldn't at all be surprised if he got modkilled here as well - I hope Curu has been keeping up, lol)
10 minutes later.
On July 23 2011 02:28 Trotske wrote:
Sure ill comment,
I don't know what to think, DR seems like a douche but that doesn't mean hes scum I feel like all this back and forth between DR, VE, and Ace could be some elaborate plan to confuse the new players like me into getting behind one of these guys to lead them to a lynch.
The way I see our D1 lynch options are Inactive > one of DR, VE, or Ace > RL.
That's my view.
So trotske was clearly actively lurking.
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On July 23 2011 03:03 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I actually think trotske is a pretty solid vote right now. he's playing so safe.
## vote trotske
By "playing safe" makes me a solid vote and yet people who look scummy to you are obv town? Is your head on backwards or is there something else going on here?
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On July 23 2011 03:22 DragonReborn422 wrote:
What is odd about my list? Are you not accustomed to lists or do you disagree with my thoughts on the players? Please expand.
How many people are we going to be able to lynch tonight?
Yeah, that's right 1.
Now, you say you have a heavy mafia lean on VisceraEyes, so why don't you, instead of writing a pretty bland and non-commital list, instead try build a case that might get VisceraEyes lynched? You seem perfectly happy with throwing around weak accusations and then just wobbling along in the thread.
That's great, if you're scum, as you don't really have to commit to anything. And as an additional bonus, you make friends! You're basically using the oldest trick in the scumbook, if you tell someone he's town, he's likely to think you're town in turn.
You then cast a vote on Trotske, fair enough, as he just proved that the's actively lurking the thread, but where is the follow-up? Why aren't you pushing him to the gallows? Either you think people are scum, or you don't. There's nothing wrong with being wrong, there's everything wrong with not trying.
Thing is, I have a feeling you want to stay on the good side of as many people as possible, I think that's because you're scum.
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On July 23 2011 03:26 Trotske wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:03 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I actually think trotske is a pretty solid vote right now. he's playing so safe.
## vote trotske By "playing safe" makes me a solid vote and yet people who look scummy to you are obv town? Is your head on backwards or is there something else going on here?
you look kind of scummy to me. "scummy" is all relative. you're lurking in the thread..popping up when your name gets mentioned. and that's about it. you're flying pretty low key...a pretty decent mafia candidate imo.
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weak accusations lol?
i think accusing me of scum for using weak accusations is absolutely ludicrous. talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
THIS IS DAY 1 GUYS. It's mostly weak accusations/randomness. I even stated why I wouldn't mind keeping viscera for another day. you don't acknowledge this at all palomar.
Please read my posts or don't leave important stuff out to make your points. thank you.
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On July 23 2011 03:43 DragonReborn422 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:26 Trotske wrote:On July 23 2011 03:03 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I actually think trotske is a pretty solid vote right now. he's playing so safe.
## vote trotske By "playing safe" makes me a solid vote and yet people who look scummy to you are obv town? Is your head on backwards or is there something else going on here? you look kind of scummy to me. "scummy" is all relative. you're lurking in the thread..popping up when your name gets mentioned. and that's about it. you're flying pretty low key...a pretty decent mafia candidate imo.
I pop up when I have something useful to say otherwise I'm watching to see whats going on considering this is my first game and someone asked me to say something so I responded. I'm not sure how this is more scummy than say Sevryn or Fortress Fortune.
Seems to me that if you post a lot but have nothing to say == scum.
Don't post a lot because you have nothing useful to contribute == scum.
Keep telling everyone who you think could be scum from a couple of posts == townie?
Like I said in an earlier post my lynch list still has inactive people at the top but DR is getting up there because he keeps voting for someone different at the drop of a hat.
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actually, you're the first person i've voted trotske. keep making stuff up though.
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On July 23 2011 03:46 DragonReborn422 wrote:
weak accusations lol?
i think accusing me of scum for using weak accusations is absolutely ludicrous. talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
THIS IS DAY 1 GUYS. It's mostly weak accusations/randomness. I even stated why I wouldn't mind keeping viscera for another day. you don't acknowledge this at all palomar.
Please read my posts or don't leave important stuff out to make your points. thank you.
Your ignoring his main point. Your still being indecisive and refusing to take a side even after all your "analysis".
##Vote DragonReborn422
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We could pull up any reasoning on the morality of first round RL being beneficial or detrimental to town, imo its totally subjective from past experience. I completely understand adherents to RL even as a tentative lure, which doesn't mean I abide to it.
It's clear that Ace has some kind of pillar aura presence in this game, there are several acknowledgments of his expertise. Besides initiating the whole debate on RL, I still view him from his recent post as clear and he set up a good formulating point to extract some info.
DR and VE stand out from being overly defensive which does not automatically imply guilt, on the contrary it’s good to see some defensive passion displayed.
There’s some trash talk going on regarding DR’s presumed experience which is completely overboard the situation, yet I understand his point even at the lowest where he’s okay either way with RL or not even if he lost some feathers on the way.
Palmar has some free flowing self-righteousness going on for the sake of some twisted justice of being himself.
I won’t go through some enumerated analysis à la DR one by one, redFF still stands out on my point from his ice-breaker never lie ‘cause you’d have to respond to your actions ethic, imo he still leaves a lasting impression besides that it’s just observing game.
It’s clear that conscentious factual reasoning is relevant, however clearly out of line on this first round time-frame basis. This figure comes to mind when I see the 100% townie claim of DR, that ratio of certainty is out of league, yet it’s your style so go for it, seemingly you got a bit more passive so just stand for what you’re up for.
##vote aprudds due to jittering agressivity, appearing obvious on both sides from a cover scheme or sense of safety in belonging.
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what am i refusing to take a side on?
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On July 23 2011 04:19 DragonReborn422 wrote:
what am i refusing to take a side on?
+ Show Spoiler +
1. redFF - i actually have a slight town lean on him. i gave a little analysis on him a few posts ago.
2. Sevryn - has made only 2 posts that i can see. both have been advice/generalizations about the game. he doesn't have any leans on anyone. i lean mafia on him.
3. Jacinto - trying hard which is a pretty good sign. most likely not mafia/mafia with viscera. But I think its very possible one or the other is. slight mafia lean.
4. Palmar - lean town...although i don't really get the case on redFF. i mean most cases are pretty weak on day1...but you seem somewhat adamant on redFF.
5. VisceraEyes - Heavy mafia lean. Very defensive and a I still like my read about his posts regarding the random lynch to be forced. Does post a fair amount so not lynching on day1 would be ok.
6. aprudds - has made 5 posts since the game has begun. 0 have been regarding player roles. They've all been about what he likes or doesn't like about posts. No lean.
7. Pyo - a pretty solid long post. slight town lean
8. Trotske - pretty UTR. nothing stands out. thus a slight mafia lean.
9. DragonReborn422 - 100% townie
10. Ace - have no clue on his role but i like his posts...would like to keep him around for at least another day
11.Lord Vatti - hasn't posted
12. Fortress Fortune - hasn't posted
Hi, I don't really wanna pressure anyone but I want to seem to be contributing so I'm going to post a giant list that doesn't say anything.
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On July 23 2011 04:19 Fortress Fortune wrote:
We could pull up any reasoning on the morality of first round RL being beneficial or detrimental to town, imo its totally subjective from past experience. I completely understand adherents to RL even as a tentative lure, which doesn't mean I abide to it.
It's clear that Ace has some kind of pillar aura presence in this game, there are several acknowledgments of his expertise. Besides initiating the whole debate on RL, I still view him from his recent post as clear and he set up a good formulating point to extract some info.
DR and VE stand out from being overly defensive which does not automatically imply guilt, on the contrary it’s good to see some defensive passion displayed.
There’s some trash talk going on regarding DR’s presumed experience which is completely overboard the situation, yet I understand his point even at the lowest where he’s okay either way with RL or not even if he lost some feathers on the way.
Palmar has some free flowing self-righteousness going on for the sake of some twisted justice of being himself.
I won’t go through some enumerated analysis à la DR one by one, redFF still stands out on my point from his ice-breaker never lie ‘cause you’d have to respond to your actions ethic, imo he still leaves a lasting impression besides that it’s just observing game.
It’s clear that conscentious factual reasoning is relevant, however clearly out of line on this first round time-frame basis. This figure comes to mind when I see the 100% townie claim of DR, that ratio of certainty is out of league, yet it’s your style so go for it, seemingly you got a bit more passive so just stand for what you’re up for.
##vote aprudds due to jittering agressivity, appearing obvious on both sides from a cover scheme or sense of safety in belonging.
Sorry can you be more clear here? I don't clearly understand you here.
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@aprudds the majority of your posts were specific aimed.
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On July 23 2011 04:34 Fortress Fortune wrote:
@aprudds the majority of your posts were specific aimed.
I don't understand your logic, can you elaborate?
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On July 23 2011 04:17 DragonReborn422 wrote:
actually, you're the first person i've voted trotske. keep making stuff up though.
Yea sorry the word I meant to say wasn't vote. After re-reading most of the thread Your not near as suspicious as I thought you were but that's not to say I wont keep my eye on you.
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@aprudss
On July 22 2011 12:31 aprudds wrote:
So VisceraEyes if your so against random lynch what would be your alternative? Sit around and do nothing while scum picks us off at night? Can you provide a better option backed up with reasoning other then "NO THATS BAD!!!!!"?
On July 22 2011 12:46 aprudds wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Uh, aprudds...my suggestion was to scum-hunt...you know, play the game? Decide who's scummiest and lynch them? That's been my suggestion all along. When did I say 'NO THAT'S BAD!!!!'? It's not bad - I'll concede that it has about a 25% success rate. But I won't agree to it here because there's no need.
Ace just wants to. That's why it's being considered. Then go scum hunt. Why are you getting so worked up over something pointless? Do you honestly believe people will go for a random lynch if you have solid evidence against someone? I think you just have a bone to pick with ace and are trying to find any excuse to point at him.
On July 23 2011 01:11 aprudds wrote:
Dragon for such a "EXPERIENCED PLAYER" your play has been less then stellar.
bash and rush for cover.
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@trotske added VE nested quote to keep context.
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On July 23 2011 04:56 Fortress Fortune wrote:@aprudss Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:31 aprudds wrote:
So VisceraEyes if your so against random lynch what would be your alternative? Sit around and do nothing while scum picks us off at night? Can you provide a better option backed up with reasoning other then "NO THATS BAD!!!!!"? Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:46 aprudds wrote:On July 22 2011 12:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Uh, aprudds...my suggestion was to scum-hunt...you know, play the game? Decide who's scummiest and lynch them? That's been my suggestion all along. When did I say 'NO THAT'S BAD!!!!'? It's not bad - I'll concede that it has about a 25% success rate. But I won't agree to it here because there's no need.
Ace just wants to. That's why it's being considered. Then go scum hunt. Why are you getting so worked up over something pointless? Do you honestly believe people will go for a random lynch if you have solid evidence against someone? I think you just have a bone to pick with ace and are trying to find any excuse to point at him. Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 01:11 aprudds wrote:
Dragon for such a "EXPERIENCED PLAYER" your play has been less then stellar. bash and rush for cover.
I don't see the "run for cover aspect". I have made comments when things don't make sense or feel off to keep people honest. Perhaps you could elaborate more with something other than a oneliner?
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On July 23 2011 03:16 DragonReborn422 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:11 Lord Vatti wrote:
/suspicious look
I can't put my finger on it but it just gives this weird mafia VIBE that doesn't seem right... I dunno. Cant put it into words. Someone back me up here...
palmar looks so scummy that he can't be a scum. he's just a confused villager imo
saying something looks so scummy that they cant be scum is bad logic. basicly your saying if scum just plays super dumb and scummy people will be well no scum would be that obvious. some people are just bad. and thats a great way for you to save your scum buddy palmar from suspision.
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On July 23 2011 05:11 Fortress Fortune wrote:
@trotske added VE nested quote to keep context.
Did you read the rules?
Edits are not allowed at all
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@FF
While I appreciate your transparency, editing is not allowed or tolerated in games in this subforum. Just FYI.
@aprudds
I see what he's saying, personally...because I read the original post. it's only a one-liner because you asked for clarification from his ORIGINAL POST, which was far from a one-liner. How about you not just cast suspicious light on everything you see to try and deflect suspicion away from yourself? How about instead, you actually take your own advice, find the most suspicious person in the thread and make a case against them?
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Holy crap just reread my post and my grammar is atrocious sorry people just got home from work and trying to spew my brain into type.
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On July 23 2011 05:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
@FF
While I appreciate your transparency, editing is not allowed or tolerated in games in this subforum. Just FYI.
Yeah never edit, you can double post or triple post or whatever, but never edit...
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On July 23 2011 03:22 DragonReborn422 wrote:
What is odd about my list? Are you not accustomed to lists or do you disagree with my thoughts on the players? Please expand.
Basically saying the other person doesn't understand how good a list is without explaining why the list is good.
On July 23 2011 01:34 DragonReborn422 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 01:30 aprudds wrote:On July 23 2011 01:24 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I'm not waving my e-penis around. It's annoying when peopel with 8 games played calls my idea stupid. I haven't called anyone's ideas or posts stupid. Your waving it again. I don't think you can even recognize it. well, you're certainly giving me enough attention. move onto something else kitty.
tell him to stop pressuring him without giving a reason as to why he shouldn't be pressured
On July 23 2011 02:51 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I'm trying to find the mafia regardless of what some of you might think. Trying to save myself does help find the mafia as I am 100% sure of my own role.
I apologize if I am doing it differently than how some of you may be accustomed to. I'm not familiar with the traditions on the forum.
once again using how experienced he is with mafia but how inexperienced he is on TL mafia as an excuse as to why his play is odd.
On July 23 2011 00:14 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I'm ok with a random lynch. I'm also ok for an unrandom lynch.
pointless post.
On July 22 2011 23:57 DragonReborn422 wrote:
@Palmar
I've agreed to Ace's plan. Where? Please show me a post that DIRECTLY states we should random lynch. I've given some arguments on why a random lynch is OK because some of you guys didn't understand it.
Also your sample size of 8 games makes you the mafia theorycrafter to tell me who has played over 100 what i do is stupid? for real?
once again waving around how experienced he is.
Basic a lot of his post seem to contradict each other. he claims to be super experienced but never explains why he does what he does. such as why the list is good instead of maybe your not used to lists. A large number of posts are useless and don't add anything while looking like they are doing something. He is the scummiest I am seeing at the moment.
##vote DragonReborn422
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@Sevryn I'm just at a loss of words at your last post. Every one of your points is either blatantly wrong or a misrepresentation. I will respond more in depth in a second.
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On July 23 2011 05:49 DragonReborn422 wrote:
@Sevryn I'm just at a loss of words at your last post. Every one of your points is either blatantly wrong or a misrepresentation. I will respond more in depth in a second.
Good maybe you can explain some of your reasoning as well
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Basically saying the other person doesn't understand how good a list is without explaining why the list is good.
I asked him if lists were uncommon or he didn't like my points. what are you talking about explaining why a list is good. I've given all my reads at that particular point in the game. I also made a post explaining that if dead and I turn up a townie you have some observations from me as a verified townsperson.
tell him to stop pressuring him without giving a reason as to why he shouldn't be pressured
he wasn't pressuring me. he kept badgering me about my game experience and my e-peen or whatever and i told him to drop it. that's all.
once again using how experienced he is with mafia but how inexperienced he is on TL mafia as an excuse as to why his play is odd.
I've seen this line a few times now. What exactly is "odd?"
pointless post.
not a pointless post. i've had to repeat myself several times because people keep making things up. i've had to repeat myself several times.
Basic a lot of his post seem to contradict each other. he claims to be super experienced but never explains why he does what he does. such as why the list is good instead of maybe your not used to lists. A large number of posts are useless and don't add anything while looking like they are doing something. He is the scummiest I am seeing at the moment.
this might be the worst post of all. "Basically a lot of his post seem to contradict each other." You can't throw a statement out like that and not show where I contradict myself. I'm not here to explain everything I do. I'm here to find mafia members. I have to explain a LIST? WTF? It's a list of my reads on people. Take it for what it's worth. Feel free to use anything from it...feel free to ignore it. It's a list of my reads at the moment.
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On July 23 2011 05:56 DragonReborn422 wrote:Show nested quote +
Basically saying the other person doesn't understand how good a list is without explaining why the list is good.
I asked him if lists were uncommon or he didn't like my points. what are you talking about explaining why a list is good. I've given all my reads at that particular point in the game. I also made a post explaining that if dead and I turn up a townie you have some observations from me as a verified townsperson. Show nested quote +
tell him to stop pressuring him without giving a reason as to why he shouldn't be pressured
he wasn't pressuring me. he kept badgering me about my game experience and my e-peen or whatever and i told him to drop it. that's all. Show nested quote +
once again using how experienced he is with mafia but how inexperienced he is on TL mafia as an excuse as to why his play is odd.
I've seen this line a few times now. What exactly is "odd?" not a pointless post. i've had to repeat myself several times because people keep making things up. i've had to repeat myself several times. Show nested quote +
Basic a lot of his post seem to contradict each other. he claims to be super experienced but never explains why he does what he does. such as why the list is good instead of maybe your not used to lists. A large number of posts are useless and don't add anything while looking like they are doing something. He is the scummiest I am seeing at the moment.
this might be the worst post of all. "Basically a lot of his post seem to contradict each other." You can't throw a statement out like that and not show where I contradict myself. I'm not here to explain everything I do. I'm here to find mafia members. I have to explain a LIST? WTF? It's a list of my reads on people. Take it for what it's worth. Feel free to use anything from it...feel free to ignore it. It's a list of my reads at the moment.
Can you comment on why if someone looks scummy enough they are no longer considered scum by you? and what is the point at which someone is to scummy to be scum?
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@Sevryn
Some posters can just look scummy by nature. It depends on their post style. Not everyone is gifted with preparing logical, easily readable posts.
I guess you're talking about me thinking Palmar is a town. Well, I don't really like his posts. I think he hasn't read all the posts fully and definitely has misrepresented what some people have said to make some of his arguments. While of course it's possible he is a mafia (doing this intentionally)..he's more likely a townie (doing this unintentionally/lazy/emotionally/whatever).
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I was refering to the post where your only reasoning was "palmar looks so scummy that he can't be a scum. he's just a confused villager imo"
This is just really bad town play by you.
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On July 23 2011 06:05 Sevryn wrote:
I was refering to the post where your only reasoning was "palmar looks so scummy that he can't be a scum. he's just a confused villager imo"
This is just really bad town play by you.
????? I've already explained my thought on Palmar.
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@Sevryn
I've answered all your question and concerns. Please answer one of mine. You say "Basic a lot of his posts contradict one another" Please show the posts which contract each other.
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On July 22 2011 23:53 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I'd like to respond to Jacinto's post. I'm not sure how to multi-quote so I'll just address his points individually.
I've never said it's beter to scumhunt than to RL. Don't know where you get this from.
Well, what you said was actually that you think it's better to RL than to scumhunt.
+ Show Spoiler +but honestly...i doubt the town has a higher than 25% of finding a mafia on day 1.
Ok you kind of got me here. I don't really care who we lynch (although I will fervently defend myself as I'm 100% sure of my town townie role). I don't think Viscera is scummy for having an opinion. Where do you come up with this? I think Viscera's post is a somewhat forced comeback to Ace which although sounds nice isn't really. I think his post is FORCED and looks overly helpful (whilst not being that helpful)!!!!!
Yes, I don't have a problem with you defending yourself, I have a problem with you talking alot, but contributing very little. And I don't even understand what you mean here. What happened whas that A. Ace came up with a plan, B. Viscera didn't like the plan, C. Viscera argued against the plan. After rereading said posts, I still really can't see what you mean. If you could point at exactly what you don't like with the posts, maybe I'll change my mind. You should try.
Don't know where you get this idea from. First of all Ace made several posts. I just enjoyed his posts in general. If I say..Obama made a great speech. That doesn't mean I agree with everything in it. I just liked his posts in general.
At the time you wrote that you like Ace's posts, he ha made exactly two posts saying
And Show nested quote +Lots of new players(no meta) + I don't always take meta into consideration on Day 1. I'm also not going to wait for a Scum slip. I also don't want to know what the setup is until Day 2 when (if) the Detective has a chance to get off an investigation.
So we can random lynch to kick things off, or go the traditional route and play the discussion game.
Although if I was going to lynch someone you or Palmero over there would get the noose asap.
Please explain what you like with these posts.
How am I being aggressive? Almost all my posts are responses to people trying to defend myself from made up accusations. I never said the town can never do a good choice. I said I doubt we can achieve higher than 25% and it depends on the town/mafia players. Quit putting your bias into my posts please.
I didn't mean you were agressive in the sense that you were bashing people. I meant you made posts with an agressive vibe.
And yes, you said that you doubt town can achieve higher than 25%, so why didn't you openly take this side of the argument, providing some reasoning? Instead you kept claiming that you do not have an opinion at all.
So my mafia tactic is to push the town towards a random lynch...this is what you're implying? Yet I have made accusations on Viscera, you and aprudds? Makes sense yo. So I can't throw accusations? Lol. I had reasons (good or bad) for thinking viscera's posts were scummy. I just didn't like aprudds first post. I hate saying things like "If he is not scum, he is just playing really, really oddly." aka if he isnt scum he sucks. i probably have more games played than everyone here combined and probably at a higher level of play. Let's try to stay away from the mud-slinging ok?
What I am saying is that you constantly do wierd stuff, and I don't like it at all. Maybe you wanted to push for RL, I don't know. What I do know is that you keep saying that you do not have an opinion in anything, but still posts a bunch, and even implying now and again that you do have an opinion.
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@Jacinto
I'm getting really tired of posts that misrepresent what I say. I really am. I've NEVER implicitly or explicitly said it's better to RL then scum-hunt.
This is part of a post I made: "but honestly...i doubt the town has a higher than 25% of finding a mafia on day 1."
How in the world do you deduce that I think RL>scumhunt from that. OK, I DO THINK the town only has about a rand chance of finding a scum. BUT. we can not lynch active posters or people that have posted...and a myriad of other factors which can make a random lynch NOT GOOD. There I made an argument for you guys why random lynch is bad. now you're going to think im scummy for making an argument for this lolol.
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On July 23 2011 06:10 DragonReborn422 wrote:
@Sevryn
I've answered all your question and concerns. Please answer one of mine. You say "Basic a lot of his posts contradict one another" Please show the posts which contract each other.
Your whole playstyle is contradicting you basically say "look at me im so exp follow me everyone i will part the waters." and then when someone calls you out instead of supporting yourself you suggest maybe your they aren't used to the way you play. Also you say you answered my questions and concerns but you never say how saying someone is so scummy they couldn't be scum is reasonable logic. its like you have levels of scummy and once someone goes so high they become town again?
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@Sevryn
This is the last time I will address this because I have done it already and people don't want to read the same things. I think Palmar has a posting style that looks somewhat scummy. He doesn't use all the facts and misrepresents what people have said. Yes, on level 1 this looks scummy..and it's certainly possible he is a scum...but I think it's more likely he's a townie being lazy.
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That's not the point. I understand you think palmar looks scummy but how can you just say he looks scummy BUT hes probably being lazy
especially on day one when its such limited information if someone looks scummy you jump down their pants and grab hold of the short hairs till they convince you they are not.
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On July 23 2011 06:24 Sevryn wrote:
That's not the point. I understand you think palmar looks scummy but how can you just say he looks scummy BUT hes probably being lazy
especially on day one when its such limited information if someone looks scummy you jump down their pants and grab hold of the short hairs till they convince you they are not.
scums usually try to avoid looking like scums.
townies try to find scums.
palmar's actions falls to the 2nd criteria IMO
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I'm most definitely not a lazy town, so if that's your verdict you might as well vote for me. Maybe this is your normal scumplay. Carefully making sure not to vote straight against the person accusing you, but instead discrediting them by dismissing the arguments as lazy/bad. On top of that somehow praising yourself as some vet who should be listened to. Perhaps it's time you put some of those valuable skills to use and you scumhunt, instead of voting for the first lurker that shows his face.
You haven't pushed your ideas at all.
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@Palmar
I'm going to humor you and just go through all your posts and dissect them all and show how much you misrepresent facts or just plain make stuff up
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On July 23 2011 06:18 DragonReborn422 wrote:
@Jacinto
I'm getting really tired of posts that misrepresent what I say. I really am. I've NEVER implicitly or explicitly said it's better to RL then scum-hunt.
This is part of a post I made: "but honestly...i doubt the town has a higher than 25% of finding a mafia on day 1."
How in the world do you deduce that I think RL>scumhunt from that. OK, I DO THINK the town only has about a rand chance of finding a scum. BUT. we can not lynch active posters or people that have posted...and a myriad of other factors which can make a random lynch NOT GOOD. There I made an argument for you guys why random lynch is bad. now you're going to think im scummy for making an argument for this lolol.
Here is how i deduce it.
Set Up:
1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 7 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective - Chance of hitting scum: 33%
1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 9 Town - Chance of hitting scum: 33%
3 Mafia Goons, 1 Medic, 8 Town - Chance of hitting scum: 33%
3 Mafia Goons, 1 Detective, 8 Town - Chance of hitting scum: 33%
What you are saying is that you think there is less than 25% chance for us to hit scum, and as you can see, we have higher chances than that with RL. So if that's your stance, why wouldn't you support RL?
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On July 23 2011 06:33 DragonReborn422 wrote:
@Palmar
I'm going to humor you and just go through all your posts and dissect them all and show how much you misrepresent facts or just plain make stuff up
If you are going to make a reasoned fos out of it then do it but if you don't think he is mafia then don't waste your time.
As to your experience as far as i am concerned you are a 50 post user on tl in your first mafia game and will be until you prove that you are good. Stop being so condescending!
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On July 23 2011 06:33 Jacinto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 06:18 DragonReborn422 wrote:
@Jacinto
I'm getting really tired of posts that misrepresent what I say. I really am. I've NEVER implicitly or explicitly said it's better to RL then scum-hunt.
This is part of a post I made: "but honestly...i doubt the town has a higher than 25% of finding a mafia on day 1."
How in the world do you deduce that I think RL>scumhunt from that. OK, I DO THINK the town only has about a rand chance of finding a scum. BUT. we can not lynch active posters or people that have posted...and a myriad of other factors which can make a random lynch NOT GOOD. There I made an argument for you guys why random lynch is bad. now you're going to think im scummy for making an argument for this lolol. Here is how i deduce it. Set Up: 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 7 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective - Chance of hitting scum: 33% 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 9 Town - Chance of hitting scum: 33% 3 Mafia Goons, 1 Medic, 8 Town - Chance of hitting scum: 33% 3 Mafia Goons, 1 Detective, 8 Town - Chance of hitting scum: 33% What you are saying is that you think there is less than 25% chance for us to hit scum, and as you can see, we have higher chances than that with RL. So if that's your stance, why wouldn't you support RL?
umm... what? looks like somebody needs to go back to the 3rd grade. in all 4 scenarios, there are 3 mafia out of 12 total people. That means there is a 25% chance of hitting scum.
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On July 23 2011 06:33 Jacinto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 06:18 DragonReborn422 wrote:
@Jacinto
I'm getting really tired of posts that misrepresent what I say. I really am. I've NEVER implicitly or explicitly said it's better to RL then scum-hunt.
This is part of a post I made: "but honestly...i doubt the town has a higher than 25% of finding a mafia on day 1."
How in the world do you deduce that I think RL>scumhunt from that. OK, I DO THINK the town only has about a rand chance of finding a scum. BUT. we can not lynch active posters or people that have posted...and a myriad of other factors which can make a random lynch NOT GOOD. There I made an argument for you guys why random lynch is bad. now you're going to think im scummy for making an argument for this lolol. Here is how i deduce it. Set Up: 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 7 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective - Chance of hitting scum: 33% 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 9 Town - Chance of hitting scum: 33% 3 Mafia Goons, 1 Medic, 8 Town - Chance of hitting scum: 33% 3 Mafia Goons, 1 Detective, 8 Town - Chance of hitting scum: 33% What you are saying is that you think there is less than 25% chance for us to hit scum, and as you can see, we have higher chances than that with RL. So if that's your stance, why wouldn't you support RL?
your math is wrong 3/12 is 25% not 33%
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Oh, yeah you're right lol. Seems like i need to go back to 3rd grade.
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Would someone give me a recap.... why are we all voting DR? RedFF i understand your reason to vote me. it makes perfect sense. I don't really have a legitimate reason for voting Palmer... Palmer just seemed suspicious to me. I know that seems scummy, but townies make mistakes so... ##unvote Palmer. I really have to learn to not make hasty decisions. i had no backing, and i apologize for the hasty vote. if i get lynched that would make sense, because i do seem rather scummy. I'm just sayin' sorry...
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On July 23 2011 06:40 Lord Vatti wrote:
Would someone give me a recap.... why are we all voting DR? RedFF i understand your reason to vote me. it makes perfect sense. I don't really have a legitimate reason for voting Palmer... Palmer just seemed suspicious to me. I know that seems scummy, but townies make mistakes so... ##unvote Palmer. I really have to learn to not make hasty decisions. i had no backing, and i apologize for the hasty vote. if i get lynched that would make sense, because i do seem rather scummy. I'm just sayin' sorry...
really?
is this your first game?
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I don't really have much more to say. All the discussion seems to stem around me. I've addressed everything that I have found...if your not satisfied...then I'm sorry.
You guys think I'm bad...I think you're bad...whatever. I have nothing to add on matters regarding my stance on the random lynch or my list (lol at making fun of a list of my reads).
My likelier scum suspects at the moment are about the same as this mroning. trotske, vicera, sveryn, and maybe jaycinto (but definitely not jaycinto and vicera both).
I'll hop in on other discussions or if there's something new addressed to me.
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On July 23 2011 06:45 Lord Vatti wrote:
yes.
You should probably read ver's guide on how to improve, that post was bad.
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On July 23 2011 04:56 Fortress Fortune wrote:@aprudss Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:31 aprudds wrote:
So VisceraEyes if your so against random lynch what would be your alternative? Sit around and do nothing while scum picks us off at night? Can you provide a better option backed up with reasoning other then "NO THATS BAD!!!!!"? Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:46 aprudds wrote:On July 22 2011 12:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Uh, aprudds...my suggestion was to scum-hunt...you know, play the game? Decide who's scummiest and lynch them? That's been my suggestion all along. When did I say 'NO THAT'S BAD!!!!'? It's not bad - I'll concede that it has about a 25% success rate. But I won't agree to it here because there's no need.
Ace just wants to. That's why it's being considered. Then go scum hunt. Why are you getting so worked up over something pointless? Do you honestly believe people will go for a random lynch if you have solid evidence against someone? I think you just have a bone to pick with ace and are trying to find any excuse to point at him. Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 01:11 aprudds wrote:
Dragon for such a "EXPERIENCED PLAYER" your play has been less then stellar. bash and rush for cover.
No editing. Further edits will result in modkills
Also, a reminder to everyone to play nice, attack arguments not people.
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Wow...I guess no one had anything nice to say. Sad day. Everyone vote for DR422.
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How many hours until deadline and what is the vote count?
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GM just went to sleep Ace, he said so on IRC.
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On July 23 2011 06:46 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I don't really have much more to say. All the discussion seems to stem around me. I've addressed everything that I have found...if your not satisfied...then I'm sorry.
You guys think I'm bad...I think you're bad...whatever. I have nothing to add on matters regarding my stance on the random lynch or my list (lol at making fun of a list of my reads).
My likelier scum suspects at the moment are about the same as this mroning. trotske, vicera, sveryn, and maybe jaycinto (but definitely not jaycinto and vicera both).
I'll hop in on other discussions or if there's something new addressed to me.
Do you have any reasons to support your scum reads ATM?
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On July 23 2011 10:44 Ace wrote:
How many hours until deadline and what is the vote count?
13 hours and 15 minutes to the lynch, votecount coming right up
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Day 1 Votecount
RedFF(0)
VisceraEyes
Palmar
Ace (0)
VisceraEyes
VisceraEyer(0)
Ace
DragonReborn422 (5)
Jacinto
VisceraEyes
Palmar
aprudds
Sevryn
Palmar (2)
Ace
Lord Vatti
trotske(1)
DragonReborn422
Lord Vatti(1)
redFF
aprudds (1)
Fortress Fortune
[b][blue] With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch! DragonReborn422 Currently leading the vote with five votes, but has not yet reached a majority. 2 people have yet to vote. Day ends in 13 hours.
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You guys should drop your votes on DR22. There isn't a good case against him and Palmar is a far more detrimental player to the Town.
Then again my last post about reading the thread got ignored so I'm not even surprised it's come to this.
Can anyone show me an actual good case against DR22?
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So you've gone from me being scum to me simply being detrimental to town?
The case against DR422 remains that he doesn't even commit to his own scum-reads, he's leaning heavy scum on VE and then votes for a random lurker. It's the safest possible play in the book. But then again, just like when you accused me of putting words in people's mouths and then promptly did it yourself, now you're accusing people of not reading the thread and then you do the same shit yourself again?
I don't even have second thoughts anymore, I'm pretty convinced DR422 is scum.
The worst part is that you call me detrimental to town, yet you defend someone on rather flimsy evidence, like there is nothing that should have you so convinced he's town... unless you of course already know his alignment, that's actually a possibilty.
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detrimental to town = you being Scum.
And once again, here you go stretching things to your definition of what you want to appear.
What flimsy evidence have I defended DR22? The case against him is weaker than the case against you. How can you even dare say he isn't committing to his Scum reads when VE has already accused like 4 people?
It's funny because if you read DR22's posts it's perfectly possible to see that when he listed his Town reads, he could have easily leaned towards taking back his Scum reads and going for a lurker.
Of course you somehow didn't see this - but thats because you aren't reading the thread. I don't know DR22's alignment (lol stop trying to plant your little bugs, it's cute but your efforts are so transparent) but I do know the case for lynching him is weak, especially with your Scummy play so far.
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## Unvote Palmar
##Vote Ace
...Because i am the mafia! WAHAHAHAHA! MANY SHALL DIE TONIGHT!
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On July 23 2011 14:04 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 06:46 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I don't really have much more to say. All the discussion seems to stem around me. I've addressed everything that I have found...if your not satisfied...then I'm sorry.
You guys think I'm bad...I think you're bad...whatever. I have nothing to add on matters regarding my stance on the random lynch or my list (lol at making fun of a list of my reads).
My likelier scum suspects at the moment are about the same as this mroning. trotske, vicera, sveryn, and maybe jaycinto (but definitely not jaycinto and vicera both).
I'll hop in on other discussions or if there's something new addressed to me. Do you have any reasons to support your scum reads ATM?
Trotske has played an interesting game. His posts have been very methodical although sometimes with some errors. He is very actively lurking the thread. Many of his posts are in the form of a question for another player to clarify. These kind of posts are very safe as he doesn't antagonize anyone or allow him the chance to slip up. Pretty common activity for a newer scum player not sure about what to post to try to fit in. Otherwise, he is fairly noncommittal about who he thinks is scum. I'm going to upgrade him to a moderate scum lean.
I have a moderate-heavy lean on Vicera being a scum...but this is more of a feel play here. I think his early game looks like a scum player who has had a few games of experience under his belt and tries a little too hard to fit in with the village. (This is why I call his posts forced.) I don't remember much about him after our squabble..but I will re-read.
Sveryn, you wwere kind of flying under the radar. I had a slight scum lean on you at the beginning of the day. You popped in with a fair amount of posts yesterday. It feels like you feel content to lynch whoever. You're not really looking for scum candidates. I think you are a little >rand chance of being scum.
Jacinto is probably my weakest scum candidate. I mostly feel like one of jacinto or vicera have to be scum but not both.
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On July 23 2011 20:02 Palmar wrote:
So you've gone from me being scum to me simply being detrimental to town?
The case against DR422 remains that he doesn't even commit to his own scum-reads, he's leaning heavy scum on VE and then votes for a random lurker. It's the safest possible play in the book. But then again, just like when you accused me of putting words in people's mouths and then promptly did it yourself, now you're accusing people of not reading the thread and then you do the same shit yourself again?
I don't even have second thoughts anymore, I'm pretty convinced DR422 is scum.
The worst part is that you call me detrimental to town, yet you defend someone on rather flimsy evidence, like there is nothing that should have you so convinced he's town... unless you of course already know his alignment, that's actually a possibilty.
I have committed to my scum reads. I really hate it when you make stuff up like this. I posted that I don't mind keeping Viscera around even if he is scum as he posts a fair amount and that is useful in itself. I had a scum lean on trotske before I voted him.
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We really need to consolidate our wagons guys so the town gets much more beneficial information from votes. It appears quite likely I will be one. We need to decide on another wagon (even if you're pretty convinced I'm scum).
Can we get a wagon on trotske?
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I have reread, and even though I'm not as convinced as I was before, my vote will stay on DR. I still feel that he would be the best target for a d1 lynch. Chances are I will fall asleep in an hour or two, so I probably won't be around to be able to do a last minute vote.
Fingers crossed.
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On July 24 2011 00:01 Jacinto wrote:
I have reread, and even though I'm not as convinced as I was before, my vote will stay on DR. I still feel that he would be the best target for a d1 lynch. Chances are I will fall asleep in an hour or two, so I probably won't be around to be able to do a last minute vote.
Fingers crossed.
I don't really like this post. feels like you're setting yourself up for if/when i do turn up townie to say "oh yea i wasn't as convinced on him being scum."
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DR I think your reason's for trying to make a wagon on me have more to do with you trying to save yourself and less about me being scum.
Please show me where I have acted as Scum and not just asked for clarifications on certain things due to the fact that this is my first game of mafia, EVER. This whole game I have tried to reason out some of the positions other people have held using logic and the Question "does this help the town?"
From what I understand your main reason to think that I am scum has to do with me lurking, which is not the case at all of what I was doing. What I have been doing this whole thread has been asking questions when I don't understand something or only talking when I have something useful to contribute aka not just posting to post.
If you think I am wrong anywhere in this post point it out and I will explain why I am not wrong or apologize for it.
##vote DragonReborn422
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i think i have a pretty good case against trotske actually. will have it up in about 10 minutes.
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On July 23 2011 20:59 Ace wrote:
detrimental to town = you being Scum.
And once again, here you go stretching things to your definition of what you want to appear.
What flimsy evidence have I defended DR22? The case against him is weaker than the case against you. How can you even dare say he isn't committing to his Scum reads when VE has already accused like 4 people?
It's funny because if you read DR22's posts it's perfectly possible to see that when he listed his Town reads, he could have easily leaned towards taking back his Scum reads and going for a lurker.
Of course you somehow didn't see this - but thats because you aren't reading the thread. I don't know DR22's alignment (lol stop trying to plant your little bugs, it's cute but your efforts are so transparent) but I do know the case for lynching him is weak, especially with your Scummy play so far.
I'm enjoying your play this game Ace. Although I gotta say...it doesn't seem like play from the guy who wrote Ace's Guide to Winning As Scum. Perhaps that's intentional?
You haven't given ANY evidence while defending DR224. You do appear to be making stuff up; which 4 people have I accused? As I recall, I've accused you, and I've accused DR224. And it's looking more and more likely every hour. Here's what I'm wondering now. Once DR224 flips red, how in the SHIT are you going to explain your defense of him?
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On July 24 2011 00:40 Trotske wrote:
DR I think your reason's for trying to make a wagon on me have more to do with you trying to save yourself and less about me being scum.
Please show me where I have acted as Scum and not just asked for clarifications on certain things due to the fact that this is my first game of mafia, EVER. This whole game I have tried to reason out some of the positions other people have held using logic and the Question "does this help the town?"
From what I understand your main reason to think that I am scum has to do with me lurking, which is not the case at all of what I was doing. What I have been doing this whole thread has been asking questions when I don't understand something or only talking when I have something useful to contribute aka not just posting to post.
If you think I am wrong anywhere in this post point it out and I will explain why I am not wrong or apologize for it.
##vote DragonReborn422
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I agree with this.
As far as I can see a RL has a 9:3 chance of just making us down a townie and we don't even know if we have a DT, If we have a DT then there is a 50% chance of there being a Roleblocker also if the DT claims they then have a 50% chance of being useless.
Can someone please explain why a RL is better than a no lynch.
This is Trotske's first post in response to Ace's idea of a random lynch. He posts mostly facts which cannot be argued and ends with a question. A very safe first post.
Could you point out the flaws in his reasoning? It seems to me that your posts have been more useless than his by bashing what he has to say and not supporting it at all other than saying "It has worked before" and not giving and evidence.
This is Trotske's second post asking me to point out flaws in his reasoning. Again, even though he misrepresents what I have said...he asks a question of clarification in the illusion of working at the case.
How can the town do worse than a RL day1.
His third post in responding to how it's possible the town could do worse than a random lynch on Day1. Notice another question basically. Still no opinions of scums or townies. Notice the trend?
Thank you, that's what I wanted a solid reason.
This is in response to my explanation on how town could suck it up Day1. He apparently agrees that I have a solid reason. Again a safe post...still hasn't made an opinion of much of anything yet.
Sure ill comment,
I don't know what to think, DR seems like a douche but that doesn't mean hes scum I feel like all this back and forth between DR, VE, and Ace could be some elaborate plan to confuse the new players like me into getting behind one of these guys to lead them to a lynch.
The way I see our D1 lynch options are Inactive > one of DR, VE, or Ace > RL.
That's my view.
Ok, people have asked trotske to comment. He comments but what does he say? He doesn't really say much. He thinks its better lynch an inactive. Safe. See a pattern here?
By "playing safe" makes me a solid vote and yet people who look scummy to you are obv town? Is your head on backwards or is there something else going on here?
This is in response to me voting him because he's playing so passively. Again questions...although this time it's pretty rhetorical. You doing nothing but sitting on the fence does make you look scummy actually.
I pop up when I have something useful to say otherwise I'm watching to see whats going on considering this is my first game and someone asked me to say something so I responded. I'm not sure how this is more scummy than say Sevryn or Fortress Fortune.
Seems to me that if you post a lot but have nothing to say == scum.
Don't post a lot because you have nothing useful to contribute == scum.
Keep telling everyone who you think could be scum from a couple of posts == townie?
Like I said in an earlier post my lynch list still has inactive people at the top but DR is getting up there because he keeps voting for someone different at the drop of a hat.
Responding to me calling his play scummy so far. You haven't really said anything useful so far. We know almost nothing of your opinions besides you would prefer lynching an inactive (that is a serious copout). Inactives are still at the top of his list...but I'm moving up on it...but his reasoning for me moving up is because I keep voting for different people at a drop of a hat. Well, I've voted one person so far. YOU.
Yea sorry the word I meant to say wasn't vote. After re-reading most of the thread Your not near as suspicious as I thought you were but that's not to say I wont keep my eye on you.
Response to me. He has re-read the the thread and I'm not that suspicious anymore. cool. Now note that I still voted him prior to this post and haven't moved my vote at all.
what did you just edit?
See the pattern here. Most of his posts are either facts or questions. It's hard to find faults in your logic in your posts when all you post are questions.
DR I think your reason's for trying to make a wagon on me have more to do with you trying to save yourself and less about me being scum.
Please show me where I have acted as Scum and not just asked for clarifications on certain things due to the fact that this is my first game of mafia, EVER. This whole game I have tried to reason out some of the positions other people have held using logic and the Question "does this help the town?"
From what I understand your main reason to think that I am scum has to do with me lurking, which is not the case at all of what I was doing. What I have been doing this whole thread has been asking questions when I don't understand something or only talking when I have something useful to contribute aka not just posting to post.
If you think I am wrong anywhere in this post point it out and I will explain why I am not wrong or apologize for it.
##vote DragonReborn422
His final post during the time of this writeup. He thinks I'm trying to save myself and don't think he's scum, thus to wagon him. Um, of course I'm going to vote someone and not vote myself. sorry buddy. But, I voted for him yesterday already!! I have called him out on being safe and passive as being scummy. I've never thought he was scum because he was lurking. There are people with far fewer posts than him.
Now he votes me....if you read his previous posts...I was "not near as suspicious as I thought" to trotske. but now he votes me! and he claims that i'm voting him to save myself. what!? hypocrisy. What in the world have I done in the very few posts in between to make me the best lynch for him.
tldr; trotske probably a scum
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I think viscera gets some townie points for being so sure that i'm a scum. it's pretty townie to believe in something so silly using so much definitives.
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Define definitives if you please.
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On July 24 2011 01:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Define definitives if you please.
Once DR224 flips red, how in the SHIT are you going to explain your defense of him?
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What I find humorous about your post Dragon is that while you were posting that, I was literally looking through YOUR posts to see if I'm missing something, ANYTHING, that makes you seem less scummy. I can't find anything sir...but nothing is certain until the flip.
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On July 24 2011 01:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
What I find humorous about your post Dragon is that while you were posting that, I was literally looking through YOUR posts to see if I'm missing something, ANYTHING, that makes you seem less scummy. I can't find anything sir...but nothing is certain until the flip.
so you decide i'm a scum...look through my posts for things that make me less scum? great way to approach the game.
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Thanks bro, and allow me to tip my hat to your play as well.
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viscera, since you're so sure i'm a scum. please make a full case for me being scum..so everyone else can see it.
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On July 24 2011 01:23 DragonReborn422 wrote:
His final post during the time of this writeup. He thinks I'm trying to save myself and don't think he's scum, thus to wagon him. Um, of course I'm going to vote someone and not vote myself. sorry buddy. But, I voted for him yesterday already!! I have called him out on being safe and passive as being scummy. I've never thought he was scum because he was lurking. There are people with far fewer posts than him.
Now he votes me....if you read his previous posts...I was "not near as suspicious as I thought" to trotske. but now he votes me! and he claims that i'm voting him to save myself. what!? hypocrisy. What in the world have I done in the very few posts in between to make me the best lynch for him.
tldr; trotske probably a scum
Here is where you said I was lurking the thread
On July 23 2011 03:43 DragonReborn422 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:26 Trotske wrote:On July 23 2011 03:03 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I actually think trotske is a pretty solid vote right now. he's playing so safe.
## vote trotske By "playing safe" makes me a solid vote and yet people who look scummy to you are obv town? Is your head on backwards or is there something else going on here? you look kind of scummy to me. "scummy" is all relative. you're lurking in the thread..popping up when your name gets mentioned. and that's about it. you're flying pretty low key...a pretty decent mafia candidate imo.
oh and there's Another one
On July 23 2011 23:40 DragonReborn422 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 14:04 Sevryn wrote:On July 23 2011 06:46 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I don't really have much more to say. All the discussion seems to stem around me. I've addressed everything that I have found...if your not satisfied...then I'm sorry.
You guys think I'm bad...I think you're bad...whatever. I have nothing to add on matters regarding my stance on the random lynch or my list (lol at making fun of a list of my reads).
My likelier scum suspects at the moment are about the same as this mroning. trotske, vicera, sveryn, and maybe jaycinto (but definitely not jaycinto and vicera both).
I'll hop in on other discussions or if there's something new addressed to me. Do you have any reasons to support your scum reads ATM? Trotske has played an interesting game. His posts have been very methodical although sometimes with some errors. He is very actively lurking the thread. Many of his posts are in the form of a question for another player to clarify. These kind of posts are very safe as he doesn't antagonize anyone or allow him the chance to slip up. Pretty common activity for a newer scum player not sure about what to post to try to fit in. Otherwise, he is fairly noncommittal about who he thinks is scum. I'm going to upgrade him to a moderate scum lean. I have a moderate-heavy lean on Vicera being a scum...but this is more of a feel play here. I think his early game looks like a scum player who has had a few games of experience under his belt and tries a little too hard to fit in with the village. (This is why I call his posts forced.) I don't remember much about him after our squabble..but I will re-read. Sveryn, you wwere kind of flying under the radar. I had a slight scum lean on you at the beginning of the day. You popped in with a fair amount of posts yesterday. It feels like you feel content to lynch whoever. You're not really looking for scum candidates. I think you are a little >rand chance of being scum. Jacinto is probably my weakest scum candidate. I mostly feel like one of jacinto or vicera have to be scum but not both.
everything else you said I addressed in my last post.
On July 24 2011 00:40 Trotske wrote:
DR I think your reason's for trying to make a wagon on me have more to do with you trying to save yourself and less about me being scum.
Please show me where I have acted as Scum and not just asked for clarifications on certain things due to the fact that this is my first game of mafia, EVER. This whole game I have tried to reason out some of the positions other people have held using logic and the Question "does this help the town?"
From what I understand your main reason to think that I am scum has to do with me lurking, which is not the case at all of what I was doing. What I have been doing this whole thread has been asking questions when I don't understand something or only talking when I have something useful to contribute aka not just posting to post.
If you think I am wrong anywhere in this post point it out and I will explain why I am not wrong or apologize for it.
##vote DragonReborn422
anything else you want to lie about besides saying you never thought I was lurking the thread?
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You were lurking in the thread. I don't think you are scummy for lurking in the thread. Does this help?
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I've never thought he was scum because he was lurking
This is EXACTLY what I wrote. trotske, your posts are getting worse and worse. seriously.
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On July 24 2011 02:07 DragonReborn422 wrote:This is EXACTLY what I wrote. trotske, your posts are getting worse and worse. seriously.
I quoted and bolded that part of your post in my post seriously. That is the part of your post I think you lied about and I have proof.
On July 23 2011 23:40 DragonReborn422 wrote:
Trotske has played an interesting game. His posts have been very methodical although sometimes with some errors. He is very actively lurking the thread. Many of his posts are in the form of a question for another player to clarify. These kind of posts are very safe as he doesn't antagonize anyone or allow him the chance to slip up. Pretty common activity for a newer scum player not sure about what to post to try to fit in. Otherwise, he is fairly noncommittal about who he thinks is scum. I'm going to upgrade him to a moderate scum lean.
I put the bits in bold that show you thought it was scummy of me to be lurking. Which you then said you didn't think. Oh and all this was posted AFTER you voted for me as scum.
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I'd like to preface this by saying that this is only part one of the Epic Saga of Dragon's Scumminess. I'm breaking it up because A) my daughter wants me to play with her and B) I need to go to the store.
On July 22 2011 10:59 DragonReborn422 wrote:
Jacinto and VisceraEyes look kind of scummy. Not sure on how much you guys have played though.
FOS (Finger of Suspicion) : Jacinto and Viscera. Ok this is the one and only time im going to use FOS...but i couldnt resist the first time. it's amusing to me in some way.
You guys look helpful but you're really not. Posts look a little forced. Jacinto looks a little better than Viscera.
I like Ace's posts.
First content post. FoS on Jacinto and Me. Because our posts look 'forced'. And because we 'look helpful, but we're really not'. Cool.
On July 22 2011 11:23 DragonReborn422 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 22 2011 10:59 DragonReborn422 wrote:
Jacinto and VisceraEyes look kind of scummy. Not sure on how much you guys have played though.
FOS (Finger of Suspicion) : Jacinto and Viscera. Ok this is the one and only time im going to use FOS...but i couldnt resist the first time. it's amusing to me in some way.
You guys look helpful but you're really not. Posts look a little forced. Jacinto looks a little better than Viscera.
I like Ace's posts. All right Dragon, then we dispense with the pleasantries. I'm trying to create a pro-town environment. Tell me how that's scummy if you please. Clearly you agree with lynching randomly as Ace does, and his non-answer to my question apparently doesn't bother you because you're in perfect agreement about who you'd lynch given the reins. So let me pose this question to you, because I KNOW Ace has an answer for me. What benefit does town get from lynching a random person? I'm not necessarily in favor of a random lynch. However, a random lynch has a solid success rate. Given that this is a game with a fair amount of beginners, it can be very easy for the mafia to direct the kills in this game. Again, a lot of this depends on how much you have played...but it looks like you have some experience. I think your posts look a little forced and look helpful to the casual eye but really isn't helpful. Objecting to a random lynch by saying we have a higher chance of finding a mafia sounds really nice in theory....but honestly...i doubt the town has a higher than 25% of finding a mafia on day 1.
All right, after he FoS'd me I asked him a simple question
"What benefit does town get from lynching a random person?"
He either doesn't understand the question or doesn't want to answer...but his answer sounds the same as his accusation. He thinks my posts look 'forced' and that they 'look helpful but really isn't helpful.' Note that this is the first time the pattern of refusing to take an actual stance on Ace's RL idea can be seen. 'I'm not in favor, but it has a solid success rate' 'I doubt the town has higher tahn 25% of finding mafia on day 1'
On July 22 2011 11:43 DragonReborn422 wrote:
You're missing the point of my argument Viscera. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. I found it strange that you protest it making you look scummy. That is all. Perhaps our chances of hitting the mafia is more than 25% perhaps not. Again, I don't care a lick about the lynch. I'm pointing out that you are trying to helpful to the inexperienced whereas you're actually not.
Again, refusing to give an actual opinion on Ace's bad idea. Not scummy by itself, but making a note of it anyway. Still trying to make me look scummy for my opening post.
On July 22 2011 11:54 DragonReborn422 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:49 Trotske wrote:On July 22 2011 11:43 DragonReborn422 wrote:
You're missing the point of my argument Viscera. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. I found it strange that you protest it making you look scummy. That is all. Perhaps our chances of hitting the mafia is more than 25% perhaps not. Again, I don't care a lick about the lynch. I'm pointing out that you are trying to helpful to the inexperienced whereas you're actually not. Could you point out the flaws in his reasoning? It seems to me that your posts have been more useless than his by bashing what he has to say and not supporting it at all other than saying "It has worked before" and not giving and evidence. I haven't bashed anyone. What are you talking about? His reasoning is that the town can do better than a random lynch on day 1 and we should not random lynch. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. Maybe THIS town CAN do better than a random lynch on day1. It could also DO worse than a random lynch on day1. I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHICH. I am pointing out that he appears helpful by saying that oh yea we can analayze and talk and discuss and we have a better chance of finding a mafia on day1. I think this looks pretty cool to the casual observer as yea...he sounds intelligent and useful...whereas in reality....we really don't know how good this town is. If we have a terrible town maybe we should just keeping randoming!!
His first paragraph boils down to 'I don't know if town is capable of scumhunting or not, so this is why I do not OPPOSE a Random Lynch' But the thing I don't like about it is this: if you don't want to play the game, don't play it.
More of the same refusal to say one way or the other whether he's for or against the idea of Random Lynch. Please note that he is in favor of randoming PAST THE FIRST DAY if town is horrible enough...oh, no, wait....he's not in favor of it. He only suggests it as a possible solution to the problem. My mistake. Again, if you don't want to play the game, don't play the game. Talking about who to lynch and lynching the best candidate is part of the game. Going to random.org and typing in 12 and hitting enter isn't playing the game. At this point I've realized that he's actually more in favor of this plan than he's letting on.
On July 22 2011 12:03 DragonReborn422 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:59 Trotske wrote:On July 22 2011 11:54 DragonReborn422 wrote:On July 22 2011 11:49 Trotske wrote:On July 22 2011 11:43 DragonReborn422 wrote:
You're missing the point of my argument Viscera. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. I found it strange that you protest it making you look scummy. That is all. Perhaps our chances of hitting the mafia is more than 25% perhaps not. Again, I don't care a lick about the lynch. I'm pointing out that you are trying to helpful to the inexperienced whereas you're actually not. Could you point out the flaws in his reasoning? It seems to me that your posts have been more useless than his by bashing what he has to say and not supporting it at all other than saying "It has worked before" and not giving and evidence. I haven't bashed anyone. What are you talking about? His reasoning is that the town can do better than a random lynch on day 1 and we should not random lynch. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. Maybe THIS town CAN do better than a random lynch on day1. It could also DO worse than a random lynch on day1. I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHICH. I am pointing out that he appears helpful by saying that oh yea we can analayze and talk and discuss and we have a better chance of finding a mafia on day1. I think this looks pretty cool to the casual observer as yea...he sounds intelligent and useful...whereas in reality....we really don't know how good this town is. If we have a terrible town maybe we should just keeping randoming!! How can the town do worse than a RL day1. I'm not sure if that's a serious question. But I'll bite. We can be led down the wrong path by inexperienced townspeople or experienced mafia players or the combination of both and easily have wagons on only townspeople. With the mafia members knowing whos who, they have an advantage on day 1 to control the wagons more.
This is a valid point in FAVOR of a random lynch.
On July 22 2011 12:18 DragonReborn422 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
*shrugs* Half of town hasn't even showed up yet. We'll see who looks scummier when they have. At this point, I'm CERTAIN of Ace's alignment because he's so fucking good at this game and I'm Town...he'd be able to tell that even if he DIDN'T have more information to start.
I think you overrate how good players can be at this game. But even so...this is Day 1. See you should support a random lynch then because according to you..the experienced mafia player ace is leading the town to lynch you (presumably a townie).
Shwiggity shwat? He tries to manipulate me by appealing to my fear of Ace (HA) and saying that since he's pushing for my lynch (one vote, hardly pushed) I should support a Random Lynch. I get that this was mostly a joke and he was trolling me, but still worth noting.
On July 22 2011 23:13 DragonReborn422 wrote:
um why would i show a strong stance on whether to random lynch or not. I thought the argument about it was pointless and hence why i thought viscera was scummy. I don't really even understand why we're still talking about this random lynch. we have no idea how good this town is at scum-hunting so the notion that omg we can nail a mafia 5/8 times is absurd.
Wait wait wait...back up the truth train here a second. You were JUST insisting that I was missing the point entirely...that you thought I was scummy for my 'forced, unnatural, apparently-helpful-but-not-so-much posting'? I thought the RL discussion was 'interesting' to you? Now you're contradicting yourself too. Cool.
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With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch! DragonReborn422 Currently leading the vote with Six votes, but has not yet reached a majority. Pyo has yet to vote. Day ends in about 4 hours.
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VE,
Some of your points seem to be that I am scummy because I'm in favor of the random lynch. While not even arguing the fact that I did or did not advocate it....how is it a given that liking or not liking the random lynch is scummy.
You seem to assume that random lynch = scummy/bad and the people associated with it are as well.
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Wait wait wait...back up the truth train here a second. You were JUST insisting that I was lthe point entirely...that you thought I was scummy for my 'forced, unnatural, apparently-helpful-but-not-so-much posting'? I thought the RL discussion was 'interesting' to you? Now you're contradicting yourself too. Cool.
Can you please elaborate on the part where I contradict myself? I think I understand what you're referencing..but not 100% sure. You think I contradict myself when I find the RL discussion interesting but your argument pointless? I don't see this as contradictory.
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Just need one more vote from DR422 and he is the scummiest atm and the best d1 lynch.
so if someone would kindly vote for DR422 we can get the scum killing train on the tracks
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On July 24 2011 03:34 Sevryn wrote:
Just need one more vote from DR422 and he is the scummiest atm and the best d1 lynch.
so if someone would kindly vote for DR422 we can get the scum killing train on the tracks
+townie points
but definitely a confused one as i am not scum
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On July 24 2011 03:37 DragonReborn422 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 03:34 Sevryn wrote:
Just need one more vote from DR422 and he is the scummiest atm and the best d1 lynch.
so if someone would kindly vote for DR422 we can get the scum killing train on the tracks +townie points but definitely a confused one as i am not scum
dude its to late to try and make me your buddy by giving me some of your "townie points"
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On July 24 2011 03:43 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 03:37 DragonReborn422 wrote:On July 24 2011 03:34 Sevryn wrote:
Just need one more vote from DR422 and he is the scummiest atm and the best d1 lynch.
so if someone would kindly vote for DR422 we can get the scum killing train on the tracks +townie points but definitely a confused one as i am not scum dude its to late to try and make me your buddy by giving me some of your "townie points"
this post is just so bad on so many levels.
i'm not trying to be your buddy. I'm poitning out to everyoen that your post is more likely as a townie than a mafia member.
sheesh.
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I say you contradict yourself because up until that point you had insisted that I was scummy based on my 'forced, unnatural' posting, yet in that post you say that I'm scummy because I'm still "arguing about RL when it's pointless". Sure, I can be scummy for both, but that's not what you said. The whole game you said I was scummy for A, and in that post you said B, hence why you said I was scummy.
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VE,
you're again misrepresenting what i said. I never said that you're scummy because you're still arguing about RL when it's pointless.
I said and quote: "I thought the argument about it was pointless and hence why i thought viscera was scummy."
Ihe argument was pointless. I felt like you should have known it...yet you brought it up anyhow. this is exactly why i think your posts were "forced".
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Hi guys.
So I'm going to start it off by saying Ace's plan is horrible and bad. Don't get caught up in his reputation, he knows what he's proposing is harmful to the Town. Why?
It's a complete waste of a day and night cycle. If you randomly generate a number, there's no discussion to be had in the day. Everyone policy lynches the guy and regardless of what he flips we have no information to go off the next day.
There are several subtle things Ace is pushing that is without a doubt anti Town:
I also don't want to know what the setup is until Day 2 when (if) the Detective has a chance to get off an investigation.
Encouraging the DT to out himself to know about the setup. If we were to agree to this plan and the DT outs himself, they have an easy kill target or roleblock target. If we were to agree to this plan and no DT outs, then a scum member can claim DT and lead us around his finger. Relying on the presence of power roles to lead the Town is terrible since it encourages sheeping and for everyone to just sit idly and wait for someone to rise up, especially given the possibility that there are no power roles.
On July 22 2011 11:18 Ace wrote:I've seen you and Palmar play before thats why
Attacking a player to discredit them. This has the double effect of making the Town doubt the player and making the player doubt himself. That is never a Pro Town attitude, you want people to be unafraid to state their reads and opinions and be able to back it up. If you attack a player until he is unsure about himself, he tends to put too much weight into the opinions of others and become easily sheeped around.
Ace has this whole attitude throughout the entire thread, subtly trying to work doubt into VE with a condescending and holier-than-thou attitude.
Ace's posting is definitely malicious in nature, his whole *yawn* and /facepalm going to bed stuff has no positive effect whatsoever. I'm not willing to believe a player of Ace's supposed stature is convinced anything he is doing actually helps the Town.
On July 22 2011 11:43 DragonReborn422 wrote:
You're missing the point of my argument Viscera. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. I found it strange that you protest it making you look scummy. That is all. Perhaps our chances of hitting the mafia is more than 25% perhaps not. Again, I don't care a lick about the lynch. I'm pointing out that you are trying to helpful to the inexperienced whereas you're actually not.
What bullshit is this? You don't care about the lynch? You don't care about the methods we take to find a lynch, and then you claim to be helping inexperienced players?
On July 22 2011 23:57 DragonReborn422 wrote:
@Palmar
I've agreed to Ace's plan. Where? Please show me a post that DIRECTLY states we should random lynch. I've given some arguments on why a random lynch is OK because some of you guys didn't understand it.
Also your sample size of 8 games makes you the mafia theorycrafter to tell me who has played over 100 what i do is stupid? for real?
Stop flaunting your 9347543 games played, no one cares if what you say doesn't make sense or is anti Town.
Also constantly attacks people. DR is also very much pushing a hostile and anti Town atmosphere. He's had a belittling attitude this entire thread through, that's not you how you help inexperienced players.
Ace is much more dangerous to me than DR at this point as his anti Town behavior is much more subtle and malevolent, but DR would indeed be my second choice. Both strike me as very hostile to an ideal Town environment. I doubt there's enough time to derail the bandwagon to Ace at this point.
##Vote: DragonReborn422
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Once again DADV is probably going to hold true.
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Curuu. you misrepresent almost everythign in my posts.
learn to read people's posts before posting. i'm kind of tired of replying to people who can't read.
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On July 24 2011 03:59 DragonReborn422 wrote:
Curuu. you misrepresent almost everythign in my posts.
learn to read people's posts before posting. i'm kind of tired of replying to people who can't read.
Can you point out where he does this? I would like to see it.
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Hi guys.
So I'm going to start it off by saying Ace's plan is horrible and bad. Don't get caught up in his reputation, he knows what he's proposing is harmful to the Town. Why?
It's a complete waste of a day and night cycle. If you randomly generate a number, there's no discussion to be had in the day. Everyone policy lynches the guy and regardless of what he flips we have no information to go off the next day.
clearly we've had 0 discussion today because of ace's plan.
What bullshit is this? You don't care about the lynch? You don't care about the methods we take to find a lynch, and then you claim to be helping inexperienced players?
I can see how my post is somewhat vague. What I mean when I said "I don't care a lick about the lynch" is whether it was random lynch or not. I never claimed to help inexperienced players. don't know where you get this from.
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what have i said that is anti-town or doesn't make sense?
i have given reads on as many players as i can which is much more useful than what most of the people have done honestly.
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On July 24 2011 04:03 DragonReborn422 wrote:Show nested quote +
Hi guys.
So I'm going to start it off by saying Ace's plan is horrible and bad. Don't get caught up in his reputation, he knows what he's proposing is harmful to the Town. Why?
It's a complete waste of a day and night cycle. If you randomly generate a number, there's no discussion to be had in the day. Everyone policy lynches the guy and regardless of what he flips we have no information to go off the next day.
clearly we've had 0 discussion today because of ace's plan. Show nested quote +
What bullshit is this? You don't care about the lynch? You don't care about the methods we take to find a lynch, and then you claim to be helping inexperienced players?
I can see how my post is somewhat vague. What I mean when I said "I don't care a lick about the lynch" is whether it was random lynch or not. I never claimed to help inexperienced players. don't know where you get this from.
we have had discussion today because we didnt agree to RL
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Your attitude and your posting are ridiculous. Drop the shit and play properly. It's your own fault if you are a Townie that you act like a lightning rod of hostility and anti Town behavior. If you're able to draw 7 votes to yourself without anyone really actively trying to paint you in a bad light, chances are it's your own damn fault. You're not better than anyone else here, stop acting like it. I'm willing to lynch you at this point just so you stop poisoning the thread.
It's all but given you're going to die today, so if you want to help Town then expand your thoughts/analysis before you go. Your prior behavior has ensured that you're not going to save yourself. All you've done is try to attack down anyone who votes for you and call them bad.
I don't know what sort of environment you like to play in but acting like an elitist asshole and belittling everyone else is just ensuring that no one will take your analysis seriously on top of being extremely hostile to the Town atmosphere, especially in a game that's designed for new players. They already don't have much confidence, direction or experience, posting like you're better than them and deserve some sort of special treatment while slamming them down is just going to turn them into scared sheep. Drop the attitude and maybe people will be more inclined to listen to you.
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On July 24 2011 04:19 Curu wrote:
Your attitude and your posting are ridiculous. Drop the shit and play properly. It's your own fault if you are a Townie that you act like a lightning rod of hostility and anti Town behavior. If you're able to draw 7 votes to yourself without anyone really actively trying to paint you in a bad light, chances are it's your own damn fault. You're not better than anyone else here, stop acting like it. I'm willing to lynch you at this point just so you stop poisoning the thread.
It's all but given you're going to die today, so if you want to help Town then expand your thoughts/analysis before you go. Your prior behavior has ensured that you're not going to save yourself. All you've done is try to attack down anyone who votes for you and call them bad.
I don't know what sort of environment you like to play in but acting like an elitist asshole and belittling everyone else is just ensuring that no one will take your analysis seriously on top of being extremely hostile to the Town atmosphere, especially in a game that's designed for new players. They already don't have much confidence, direction or experience, posting like you're better than them and deserve some sort of special treatment while slamming them down is just going to turn them into scared sheep. Drop the attitude and maybe people will be more inclined to listen to you.
This must be the biggest troll post ever. I can't stop laughing at this.
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Laugh all the way to your lynch.
If this is your Town play then I think I speak for everyone on TL that we'd much prefer it if you go back to whatever elitist forum you came from.
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On July 24 2011 04:25 Curu wrote:
Laugh all the way to your lynch.
If this is your Town play then I think I speak for everyone on TL that we'd much prefer it if you go back to whatever elitist forum you came from.
If that is what is felt then. fine. This will be my last game here.
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Please don't ragequit just because you got lynched...
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On July 24 2011 04:32 redFF wrote:
Please don't ragequit just because you got lynched...
oh it's not that im getting lynched. I didn't rage when I had 6 or 7 votes on me whatever.
Curuu says that it's my own fault if i get lynched because of how i posted. And also my style is not conducive to this forum. What point is there to play here then? I'm going to finish this game out of course if for some small chance I don't get lynched today.
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You can have the best scumreads in the world but it's all useless if you antagonize everyone to the point where no one wants to listen to you.
I don't understand why you would come into a game designed for new players and act like a condescending elitist jerk. Rather than try to lead Town through your reads and guide them you attack everyone and fill your posts with sarcasm and conceit.
The game is supposed to have a lot of new players. Telling them to their face you think they're worthless and horrible is just retarded.
Like I said maybe elitism is the norm wherever you came from but on TL, especially in a game that's supposed to help ease new players into becoming more confident and competent, your attitude is poison.
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On July 23 2011 00:23 DragonReborn422 wrote:
RE: redFF
he really hasn't posted much. a couple one liners. I used to only post one liners and jokes on day 1....it was entertaining and easy to balance into your mafia game as well.
He hasn't gone overly out of his way to look helpful (as viscera has). He's made like 2 quality posts....one in which he rants about newbies and one in which he is confused about randomness. These two don't really go well together to be honest. He's probably average or maybe a little above average scum candidate to me.
I'm an above average scum candidate.
On July 23 2011 01:47 DragonReborn422 wrote:
1. redFF - i actually have a slight town lean on him. i gave a little analysis on him a few posts ago.
Oh no im town actually.
On July 23 2011 01:47 DragonReborn422 wrote:
5. VisceraEyes - Heavy mafia lean. Very defensive and a I still like my read about his posts regarding the random lynch to be forced. Does post a fair amount so not lynching on day1 would be ok.
8. Trotske - pretty UTR. nothing stands out. thus a slight mafia lean.
He has a heavy mafia lean on Visceyes, and a slight one on trotske.
On July 23 2011 03:03 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I actually think trotske is a pretty solid vote right now. he's playing so safe.
## vote trotske
Trotske hadn't posted since Dragon made that list, but now he is voting for his slight mafia lean instead of his heavy, with pretty bad reasoning to back it up.
There's a lot of contradictions in those 3 posts alone. Things im noticing is you refusing to take a stance against people and ideas ie random lynch and your mafia leans.
Your voting of Trotske is ironic because you voted him because he was "playing safe". The vote for Trotske was the safest thing you could have done at that moment because a lurker vote is easy to explain and it's unlikely you will be pressured for it.
Isn't it ironic, don'tcha think?
##Vote Dragonreborn
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@RedFF
I moved you from average or maybe a little above average scum to slight town after thinking about it a little bit. never said you were an above average scum candidate.
The vote on trotske was to put some pressure on him to post more. he did and then i looked through all his posts and he looked like a good scum canddiate to me.
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note the "I actually have" part of my statement.
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wouldn't the safest play to have been voting palmar or viscera?
I'm confused.
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I have to run for a while...and I'm not exactly sure when night is, so this might be my last post. I'll post some closing thoughts before I go though.
I think the people who are speaking so definitively that I am scum with posts such as (when he shows up red, or im sure DR is a scum let's move on) have a higher chance to be townspeople than mafia members. Mafia members posting like this will draw attention to themselves tomorrow when it's not really necessary. Of course you can be a mafia member and do this but you must be able to post well without making mistakes day 2.
still think trotske is a scum. he's my #1 scum candidate. i'm not sure what i think of vicera anymore to be honest.
I'm pretty resigned to my fate. I apologize to the town for not being able to fend off votes better. Good luck guys.
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Oh one last thing. I apologize to anyone if they were offended by anything I said. There was no malice behind it. I took some and gave some. It was certainly frustrating when people kept misrepresenting what I stated in posts. Mafia is a pretty cool and mentally stimulating game. Hope I didn't ruin any of it for you first time players.
My one piece of advice if you choose to take it is to re-read the thread as much as possible and read people's posts carefully.
Once again, good luck village and scumhunting.
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On July 24 2011 04:25 Curu wrote:
Laugh all the way to your lynch.
If this is your Town play then I think I speak for everyone on TL that we'd much prefer it if you go back to whatever elitist forum you came from.
this kind of belittling post is NOT acceptable. Just because a player is new and you find his style of play disagreeable does not give you the right to be so rude. Yes I can see how his arrogant attitude might bother you, you still don't *ever* tell a player to quit and don't come back because you dislike him. This is not just Curu, I just singled him out because that post stood out. This is a prevailing attitude that is poisoning this thread, and I want it to stop, I don't care what issues you have with a player, do not be rude or unkind to them.
Seriously people. We. Are. All. Friends. Here. I don't give a damn how pissed at the game you might be, remember that in the end we are all friends first and foremost.
Consider this the last warning to anyone in the thread, I will not tolerate belittling, demeaning or otherwise offensive posts to poison this game.
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Hi curu! I had a feeling that you'd be joining us.
ugh I wake up from my Saturday afternoon nap to see that DR really is going to get lynched...
I'll look over the last 3 pages more carefully in a sec, but I wanted to get a word in before the deadline. Am I the only one who thinks that the case against DR is that he's rubbed people the wrong way (i.e. no real case)? Then again, my scumdar hasn't been one of the best recently (I totally missed redFF and Youngminii's scum vibe in Arkham asylum). Well regardless, it's probably too late to change anything now, so I'm not going to bother voting but several of the "cases" against DR are really suspicious looking. Major FoS on them if DR flips green, and Ace is an obvious next target if DR flips red.
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On July 24 2011 05:58 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 04:25 Curu wrote:
Laugh all the way to your lynch.
If this is your Town play then I think I speak for everyone on TL that we'd much prefer it if you go back to whatever elitist forum you came from. this kind of belittling post is NOT acceptable. Just because a player is new and you find his style of play disagreeable does not give you the right to be so rude. Yes I can see how his arrogant attitude might bother you, you still don't *ever* tell a player to quit and don't come back because you dislike him. This is not just Curu, I just singled him out because that post stood out. This is a prevailing attitude that is poisoning this thread, and I want it to stop, I don't care what issues you have with a player, do not be rude or unkind to them.
Seriously people. We. Are. All. Friends. Here. I don't give a damn how pissed at the game you might be, remember that in the end we are all friends first and foremost.
Consider this the last warning to anyone in the thread, I will not tolerate belittling, demeaning or otherwise offensive posts to poison this game.
I agree completely, and it's not just the people in this game. gtrsrs ruined mafia XL and SNMMIV in this way, and several people in Arkham asylum have been acting like this as well. The worst part about this sort of unnecessary flaming is that it creates an atmosphere that begets more unnecessary flaming from others who wouldn't otherwise act like jackasses.
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On July 24 2011 06:03 Pyo wrote:
Hi curu! I had a feeling that you'd be joining us.
ugh I wake up from my Saturday afternoon nap to see that DR really is going to get lynched...
I'll look over the last 3 pages more carefully in a sec, but I wanted to get a word in before the deadline. Am I the only one who thinks that the case against DR is that he's rubbed people the wrong way (i.e. no real case)? Then again, my scumdar hasn't been one of the best recently (I totally missed redFF and Youngminii's scum vibe in Arkham asylum). Well regardless, it's probably too late to change anything now, so I'm not going to bother voting but several of the "cases" against DR are really suspicious looking. Major FoS on them if DR flips green, and Ace is an obvious next target if DR flips red.
And now we have a lynch target for tomorrow.
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Sevryn
Trotske
Lord Vatti/Curu
redFF
Palmar (1)
Ace
Lord Vatti/Curu
trotske(1)
DragonReborn422
Lord Vatti/Curu (0)
redFF
aprudds (1)
Fortress Fortune
Ace (0)
Lord Vatti/Curu
With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch! DragonReborn422 Currently leading the vote with eight votes, and is to be lynched . Pyo has yet to vote. Day ends in about 35 minutes.
This is in red to get your attention. Remember to ##Unvote and bold your votes, a couple of you are forgetting this and it makes my life harder.
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United States22154 Posts
Night 1
It had been a long day. First GMarshal and sandroba were found dead, and the instruction folder that they had been carrying had vanished. Next with a grinding, growling noise a man sized metal machine had emerged from the floor of the communal meeting area.
In the center of this rusted metal machines obvious door was a huge timer that counted down from 48:00. Written menacingly over it in orange letters a plaque read "Infection Detector By Radiation Exposure Device". In smaller letters on a rusting metal plaque a warning read "it is recommended that users of this machine leave a last will and testament with our Vault-Tech provided lawyer, as use of this machine has occasionally* resulted in undesired human fatality"
It was very clear that in 48 hours the machine would open, and someone must be placed inside. The town broke into a frenzy of rage and accusations. Self proclaimed leaders fought for the choice of who should be the first test subject, ideas and arguments were debated. DragonReborn422 proved to be one of the most vocal of the people present, presenting ideas and thoughts, although somewhat harshly, perhaps impulsed by fear. The other vault dwellers, offended by his harsh manner rose up beat him to a pulp, pinning him to the ground. Despite some of the other members arguing that this was perhaps not the best idea, the enraged people refused to listen, and when the count on the door hit 00:00 and the door ground open, it was without hesitating that DragonReborn422 found himself thrown into the machine. DragonReborn422 was stoic, as the metal binding in the small chamber clamped down on him and the door ground shut.
The rest of the vault could not see DragonReborn422 but they could hear his agonized screams as the radiation seared the flesh off his bones. They heard his cries for mercy and his urgings for "someone, anyone" to kill him already. An icon flickered on as a mechanical, vaguely feminine voice spoke; "Test Complete". The majority of the vault failed to process what the voice said however, staring in blank horror at the illuminated panel. It read: Not Infected.
A voice boomed over the loudspeakers "Please proceed to the individual containment rooms for the next 24 hours. The survivors will be notified when this time is up. Anyone not in containment for the next 24 hours will be terminated from Vault-tech employment. "
In hushed silence the vault dwellers shuffled off to their rooms, knowing that they might not all come back.
DragonReborn422 the Vault Dweller (Vanilla Townie) has been killed
It is night 1! You have 24 hours to get night actions to both myself and sandroba.
Pyo did not vote and was *almost* modkilled. He is enjoying the mercy of a benevolent mod for now, but if it happens again there will be no forgiveness
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Shit, I totally thought we didn't have to vote since it was majority lynch. Sorry - I can't read.
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Well hot damn. Maybe next time Sir Dragon.
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On July 24 2011 07:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well hot damn. Maybe next time Sir Dragon.
No need to get cocky scum
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:/
Of course he was Innocent. Pants on Head logic going on here. I'm actually not even going to try hard this game. I'll be content to sit back assuming I live Night 1, and play like the rest of you and not read the thread.
Being new to Mafia doesn't give you an excuse not to know how to READ.
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On July 24 2011 07:33 Ace wrote:
:/
Of course he was Innocent. Pants on Head logic going on here. I'm actually not even going to try hard this game. I'll be content to sit back assuming I live Night 1, and play like the rest of you and not read the thread.
Being new to Mafia doesn't give you an excuse not to know how to READ.
Why such a downer attitude Ace? We made a mistake, sure, but its day 1 and your already resigning yourself. Do you have something on your mind?
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He's got survival on his mind. I'm taking a tip from that guy. I'll see you guys in the morning.
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After throwing in RL to gather reactions and build a counter, if I put myself in Ace's position I'd also totally take low key stance on day two feigning lassitude to check the water temperature.
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I LOVE your way with words Fortune, welcome to the site.
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On July 24 2011 09:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
I LOVE your way with words Fortune, welcome to the site.
I'm fairly certain he's a smurf lol.
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And yes, what GMarshal said is applicable. I stand behind what I said about attitude and good play not antagonizing everyone, but I had no right to ask him to leave TL and I apologize for that. It wasn't my place to say that.
Anyways I let my emotions and annoyance get the better of me and I wasn't playing proper Mafia either. I promise to behave in the future .
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United States22154 Posts
Day 2
"You may now exit the containment chambers!" a booming, metallic voice announced. "There are ten test subjects remaining"
A quick count of the people remaining found Jacinto to be missing. The remaining vault dwellers rushed to his room, already knowing what they would find therein. Indeed Jacinto had been reduced to a puddle of green sludge overnight, probably in a rather painful process.
In the main room the machine that had killed DragonReborn422 the previous day *beeped* as the 48 hour countdown ticked down to 47:59:59.
Jacinto the Vault Dweller (Vanilla Townie) has died of the plague.
It is now day 2! You have 48 hours to vote for who to lynch. With ten alive it takes 6 to lynch.
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As far as I know Jacinto was a new player, and he didn't seem a good enough analyst to hit. The only think I can deduce from the death was an attempted blue snipe, as jacinto talked about the detective a few time, rereading his posts.
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Ace:
On July 24 2011 07:33 Ace wrote:
:/
Of course he was Innocent. Pants on Head logic going on here. I'm actually not even going to try hard this game. I'll be content to sit back assuming I live Night 1, and play like the rest of you and not read the thread.
Being new to Mafia doesn't give you an excuse not to know how to READ.
Okay, regarding this post.
##Vote: Ace
First of all, you never tried to defend Dragon (unless you count the "chainsaw lol defense" of Palmar voting for Dragon), so it's really easy to come in after he flips and say "Oh, you idiots, he was obviously innocent. lrn2reed"
And further, you're so distraught over the loss of this guy that you're just going pretend to not try in frustration of us all being so lolbad? Please. This farce ends here.
Town:
Ace is scum. He didn't even HAVE to try and get Dragon lynched because he was playing so scummy, so Ace's vote was safely on someone else. I voted for Ace earlier but removed it because I didn't feel confident that I could get him lynched...so I thought I'd go after his partner and save Ace for later. I still strongly believe he's scum and if anyone disagrees with me ur lolbad and I quit, just like Ace is pretending to do, but for real. (lol j/k...but srsly, he's scum).
I'd really like town to take a look at his posts and ask yourself "if Ace is town, why is he acting like this?" I haven't been able to figure it out. And NOW he says that he's not even going to try this game "like the rest of you" because "we don't read the thread". Why in the hell would he say this as town? A vote for Ace is a vote for scum. I promise.
WIFOM says he going to claim power-role if we start voting his way just so we policy-don't-lynch, so be prepared. We MUST lynch him tonight. I'm afraid of him as scum.
VisceraEyes
P.S.
WIFOM also says cue Ace's pre-written "lol@Viscera's super-bad-tunnel play". It's sure to be "convincing".
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Seriously? 1/4 through the day and I'm the only vote, and only the second thread?? I guess GMarshal's leniency was taken to heart. Lurker mode commence.
@red
I'm not sure if I agree that Jacinto was a blue-snipe. He didn't talk about detectives in a way that hinted or indicated that he was fishing for advice on how to play as one, which seems more likely in a new player as you (accurately imo) deduce. I feel like the hit was designed more specifically to deny town information. When we mislynched Dragon, Jacinto was one of the earlier votes (less suspicious) and simultaniously one of the less vocal (less information to confirm). And one of the only players' meta I feel supports that level of finesse is Ace. See above post.
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he was asking about zodiac lists.
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Sorry, busy creaming my pants over PTP. I'll comb through the thread soon I promise.
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GG guys. Sorry if i fucked us over with the DR-lynch. Town fighting!
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On July 24 2011 06:03 Pyo wrote:
Hi curu! I had a feeling that you'd be joining us.
ugh I wake up from my Saturday afternoon nap to see that DR really is going to get lynched...
I'll look over the last 3 pages more carefully in a sec, but I wanted to get a word in before the deadline. Am I the only one who thinks that the case against DR is that he's rubbed people the wrong way (i.e. no real case)? Then again, my scumdar hasn't been one of the best recently (I totally missed redFF and Youngminii's scum vibe in Arkham asylum). Well regardless, it's probably too late to change anything now, so I'm not going to bother voting but several of the "cases" against DR are really suspicious looking. Major FoS on them if DR flips green, and Ace is an obvious next target if DR flips red.
I have a problem with this post.
First of all Pyo did not commit to anything at all on day one. But then he sweeps in, after waiting for long enough to make damn sure town wasn't going to back off the DR422 lynch, and tells us "Look guys, he's not scum"
He also makes sure that we know his scumdar sucks, which is only a good trait if you're mafia.
And finally, nice going, Ace is only a suspect if DR flips red... why?
So, guys, who's your last scumbuddy, Ace, Pyo... and... ?
##Vote Pyo
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Waiting on ace to post before I post my thoughts.
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sorry I haven't posted a lot since the lynch I'll post my thoughts when I get to work.
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Looking at Pyo's posts i think he is either scum or super lazy he has a large amount of useless posts and the abstaining from voting.
Ace seems to me to have come into this game with the attitude that town is boned and its all just a barrel of laughs which makes me think there is a good chance he is scum.
because there isn't that much to read off of Pyo im going to vote ace for now.
##Vote Ace
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After re-reading most of the thread again looking at only one person's posts at a time.
The first persons posts I looked at after getting a sort of scum vibe from him is VisceraEyes.
Most of his recent posts are him trying to discredit and cast a scummy shadow over Ace but when looking through his posts I havn't found any really good reasons that Ace is scum.
He tells the town to look over Ace's posts here
+ Show Spoiler +On July 25 2011 09:22 VisceraEyes wrote:Ace: Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 07:33 Ace wrote:
:/
Of course he was Innocent. Pants on Head logic going on here. I'm actually not even going to try hard this game. I'll be content to sit back assuming I live Night 1, and play like the rest of you and not read the thread.
Being new to Mafia doesn't give you an excuse not to know how to READ. Okay, regarding this post. ##Vote: AceFirst of all, you never tried to defend Dragon (unless you count the "chainsaw lol defense" of Palmar voting for Dragon), so it's really easy to come in after he flips and say "Oh, you idiots, he was obviously innocent. lrn2reed" And further, you're so distraught over the loss of this guy that you're just going pretend to not try in frustration of us all being so lolbad? Please. This farce ends here. Town: Ace is scum. He didn't even HAVE to try and get Dragon lynched because he was playing so scummy, so Ace's vote was safely on someone else. I voted for Ace earlier but removed it because I didn't feel confident that I could get him lynched...so I thought I'd go after his partner and save Ace for later. I still strongly believe he's scum and if anyone disagrees with me ur lolbad and I quit, just like Ace is pretending to do, but for real. (lol j/k...but srsly, he's scum). I'd really like town to take a look at his posts and ask yourself "if Ace is town, why is he acting like this?" I haven't been able to figure it out. And NOW he says that he's not even going to try this game "like the rest of you" because "we don't read the thread". Why in the hell would he say this as town? A vote for Ace is a vote for scum. I promise. WIFOM says he going to claim power-role if we start voting his way just so we policy-don't-lynch, so be prepared. We MUST lynch him tonight. I'm afraid of him as scum. VisceraEyes P.S. WIFOM also says cue Ace's pre-written "lol@Viscera's super-bad-tunnel play". It's sure to be "convincing".
Well I did look over Ace's posts and for everything he posted he had a reason that he told us about and backs up his stuff up. VE on the other hand hasn't backed up his claims with any quotes of posts other than saying "you didn't try to back up dragon" When Ace's two posts before the lynch were exactly that.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 23 2011 19:50 Ace wrote:
You guys should drop your votes on DR22. There isn't a good case against him and Palmar is a far more detrimental player to the Town.
Then again my last post about reading the thread got ignored so I'm not even surprised it's come to this.
Can anyone show me an actual good case against DR22?
+ Show Spoiler +On July 23 2011 20:59 Ace wrote:
detrimental to town = you being Scum.
And once again, here you go stretching things to your definition of what you want to appear.
What flimsy evidence have I defended DR22? The case against him is weaker than the case against you. How can you even dare say he isn't committing to his Scum reads when VE has already accused like 4 people?
It's funny because if you read DR22's posts it's perfectly possible to see that when he listed his Town reads, he could have easily leaned towards taking back his Scum reads and going for a lurker.
Of course you somehow didn't see this - but thats because you aren't reading the thread. I don't know DR22's alignment (lol stop trying to plant your little bugs, it's cute but your efforts are so transparent) but I do know the case for lynching him is weak, especially with your Scummy play so far.
someone else I have had my eye on is RedFF simply because His posts havn't been helpful at all.
here he posts an img saying that the vote on DR was a bandwagon which might be true
+ Show Spoiler +On July 24 2011 01:01 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 00:40 Trotske wrote:
DR I think your reason's for trying to make a wagon on me have more to do with you trying to save yourself and less about me being scum.
Please show me where I have acted as Scum and not just asked for clarifications on certain things due to the fact that this is my first game of mafia, EVER. This whole game I have tried to reason out some of the positions other people have held using logic and the Question "does this help the town?"
From what I understand your main reason to think that I am scum has to do with me lurking, which is not the case at all of what I was doing. What I have been doing this whole thread has been asking questions when I don't understand something or only talking when I have something useful to contribute aka not just posting to post.
If you think I am wrong anywhere in this post point it out and I will explain why I am not wrong or apologize for it.
##vote DragonReborn422
Two posts later he votes for DR.
Here is a post from VE putting distance from him and RedFF by disagreeing with him on why Jacinto got hit and then leads that into saying his reasoning supports that Ace is scum again with no proof other than thats what he "feels."
+ Show Spoiler +On July 25 2011 14:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Seriously? 1/4 through the day and I'm the only vote, and only the second thread?? I guess GMarshal's leniency was taken to heart. Lurker mode commence.
@red
I'm not sure if I agree that Jacinto was a blue-snipe. He didn't talk about detectives in a way that hinted or indicated that he was fishing for advice on how to play as one, which seems more likely in a new player as you (accurately imo) deduce. I feel like the hit was designed more specifically to deny town information. When we mislynched Dragon, Jacinto was one of the earlier votes (less suspicious) and simultaniously one of the less vocal (less information to confirm). And one of the only players' meta I feel supports that level of finesse is Ace. See above post.
My view on Ace is that He hasn't been trying to fit in like most Scum try to fit in. I am also going to say that I feel like Ace hasn't been doing alot to push his agenda it feels to me like he jsut chimes in every now and then and says what he thinks.
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Yeah I think trotske is scum
##vote trotske
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On July 26 2011 03:59 redFF wrote:
Yeah I think trotske is scum
##vote trotske
Reasons?
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On July 26 2011 00:32 Trotske wrote:After re-reading most of the thread again looking at only one person's posts at a time. The first persons posts I looked at after getting a sort of scum vibe from him is VisceraEyes. Most of his recent posts are him trying to discredit and cast a scummy shadow over Ace but when looking through his posts I havn't found any really good reasons that Ace is scum. He tells the town to look over Ace's posts here + Show Spoiler +On July 25 2011 09:22 VisceraEyes wrote:Ace: Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 07:33 Ace wrote:
:/
Of course he was Innocent. Pants on Head logic going on here. I'm actually not even going to try hard this game. I'll be content to sit back assuming I live Night 1, and play like the rest of you and not read the thread.
Being new to Mafia doesn't give you an excuse not to know how to READ. Okay, regarding this post. ##Vote: AceFirst of all, you never tried to defend Dragon (unless you count the "chainsaw lol defense" of Palmar voting for Dragon), so it's really easy to come in after he flips and say "Oh, you idiots, he was obviously innocent. lrn2reed" And further, you're so distraught over the loss of this guy that you're just going pretend to not try in frustration of us all being so lolbad? Please. This farce ends here. Town: Ace is scum. He didn't even HAVE to try and get Dragon lynched because he was playing so scummy, so Ace's vote was safely on someone else. I voted for Ace earlier but removed it because I didn't feel confident that I could get him lynched...so I thought I'd go after his partner and save Ace for later. I still strongly believe he's scum and if anyone disagrees with me ur lolbad and I quit, just like Ace is pretending to do, but for real. (lol j/k...but srsly, he's scum). I'd really like town to take a look at his posts and ask yourself "if Ace is town, why is he acting like this?" I haven't been able to figure it out. And NOW he says that he's not even going to try this game "like the rest of you" because "we don't read the thread". Why in the hell would he say this as town? A vote for Ace is a vote for scum. I promise. WIFOM says he going to claim power-role if we start voting his way just so we policy-don't-lynch, so be prepared. We MUST lynch him tonight. I'm afraid of him as scum. VisceraEyes P.S. WIFOM also says cue Ace's pre-written "lol@Viscera's super-bad-tunnel play". It's sure to be "convincing". Well I did look over Ace's posts and for everything he posted he had a reason that he told us about and backs up his stuff up. VE on the other hand hasn't backed up his claims with any quotes of posts other than saying "you didn't try to back up dragon" When Ace's two posts before the lynch were exactly that. + Show Spoiler +On July 23 2011 19:50 Ace wrote:
You guys should drop your votes on DR22. There isn't a good case against him and Palmar is a far more detrimental player to the Town.
Then again my last post about reading the thread got ignored so I'm not even surprised it's come to this.
Can anyone show me an actual good case against DR22? On July 23 2011 20:59 Ace wrote:
detrimental to town = you being Scum.
And once again, here you go stretching things to your definition of what you want to appear.
What flimsy evidence have I defended DR22? The case against him is weaker than the case against you. How can you even dare say he isn't committing to his Scum reads when VE has already accused like 4 people?
It's funny because if you read DR22's posts it's perfectly possible to see that when he listed his Town reads, he could have easily leaned towards taking back his Scum reads and going for a lurker.
Of course you somehow didn't see this - but thats because you aren't reading the thread. I don't know DR22's alignment (lol stop trying to plant your little bugs, it's cute but your efforts are so transparent) but I do know the case for lynching him is weak, especially with your Scummy play so far. someone else I have had my eye on is RedFF simply because His posts havn't been helpful at all. here he posts an img saying that the vote on DR was a bandwagon which might be true + Show Spoiler +On July 24 2011 01:01 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 00:40 Trotske wrote:
DR I think your reason's for trying to make a wagon on me have more to do with you trying to save yourself and less about me being scum.
Please show me where I have acted as Scum and not just asked for clarifications on certain things due to the fact that this is my first game of mafia, EVER. This whole game I have tried to reason out some of the positions other people have held using logic and the Question "does this help the town?"
From what I understand your main reason to think that I am scum has to do with me lurking, which is not the case at all of what I was doing. What I have been doing this whole thread has been asking questions when I don't understand something or only talking when I have something useful to contribute aka not just posting to post.
If you think I am wrong anywhere in this post point it out and I will explain why I am not wrong or apologize for it.
##vote DragonReborn422 Two posts later he votes for DR. Here is a post from VE putting distance from him and RedFF by disagreeing with him on why Jacinto got hit and then leads that into saying his reasoning supports that Ace is scum again with no proof other than thats what he "feels." + Show Spoiler +On July 25 2011 14:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Seriously? 1/4 through the day and I'm the only vote, and only the second thread?? I guess GMarshal's leniency was taken to heart. Lurker mode commence.
@red
I'm not sure if I agree that Jacinto was a blue-snipe. He didn't talk about detectives in a way that hinted or indicated that he was fishing for advice on how to play as one, which seems more likely in a new player as you (accurately imo) deduce. I feel like the hit was designed more specifically to deny town information. When we mislynched Dragon, Jacinto was one of the earlier votes (less suspicious) and simultaniously one of the less vocal (less information to confirm). And one of the only players' meta I feel supports that level of finesse is Ace. See above post. My view on Ace is that He hasn't been trying to fit in like most Scum try to fit in. I am also going to say that I feel like Ace hasn't been doing alot to push his agenda it feels to me like he jsut chimes in every now and then and says what he thinks.
My whole case is based on how I feel because he is specifically not posting, sir. None of his posts explicitly incriminate him, and I'm sure that's absolutely by design. Take from that what you want. The fact that you didn't realize this just reading my post (it's written with an obvious air of insecurity and uncertainty), makes me wonder about your motives in defending Ace...just sayin.
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The point of my post wasn't to defend Ace, it was to expose why I feel that you and RedFF are scum.
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Whether it was the point of your post or not, part of your argument was defending Ace. I understand that you're saying redFF and I are scum, and for the record, I wasn't rying to 'distance' myself from him, only give my opinion to him the only way I can in a game with no PM's...in-thread. So what, I'm not allowed to disagree with someone's points without that being construed as 'distancing'? Your logic there is flawed.
FoS: Trotske if Ace flips red today for defending against a case made against Ace and then backpedaling to 'distance' himself from the action.
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On July 26 2011 05:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whether it was the point of your post or not, part of your argument was defending Ace. I understand that you're saying redFF and I are scum, and for the record, I wasn't rying to 'distance' myself from him, only give my opinion to him the only way I can in a game with no PM's...in-thread. So what, I'm not allowed to disagree with someone's points without that being construed as 'distancing'? Your logic there is flawed.
FoS: Trotske if Ace flips red today for defending against a case made against Ace and then backpedaling to 'distance' himself from the action.
I'm not saying your scum for disagreeing with RedFF I'm saying that from your other posts you look scummy and your reasoning for disagreeing was just a feeling making it more suspicious if you are Scum making it look to me that you are trying to distance your self from your scum buddy by disagreeing without actually giving a good reason for it.
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I'll also note you don't deny any of the points of my post instead you pick out something that I said wasn't the point of the post to counter accuse me.
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Actually, your main argument is that I'm not giving 'reasons' for what I say...that it's based on how I feel. And that was the very first thing I responded to. So try again I guess?
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On July 26 2011 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Actually, your main argument is that I'm not giving 'reasons' for what I say...that it's based on how I feel. And that was the very first thing I responded to. So try again I guess?
You mean when you responded by confirming that was true?
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On July 26 2011 00:13 Sevryn wrote:
Looking at Pyo's posts i think he is either scum or super lazy he has a large amount of useless posts and the abstaining from voting.
Ace seems to me to have come into this game with the attitude that town is boned and its all just a barrel of laughs which makes me think there is a good chance he is scum.
because there isn't that much to read off of Pyo im going to vote ace for now.
##Vote Ace
Yeah, I guess I have been kind of lazy. Seeing town jump on a bandwagon like that day 1 was certainly demoralizing. I've also kind of bummed myself out of Arkham Asylum too. But I'll start contributing:
If you look back at how the DR bandwagon developed, it all started with this post by Jacinto:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10420934
I thought this was a perfectly reasonable "get the ball rolling" attack on DR. The case was weak, mostly just non-commital play. I figured DR would just brush it off and the case would be dropped, and I thought DR's post was perfectly reasonable:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10429554
Palmar next throws in a few jabs at DR (typical in-your-face Palmar play), but he seems more occupied with RedFF, and even threw out a jab at me as well.
VisceraEyes next jumps in:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10430096
This vote almost feels like VE is reacting to the fact that he doesn't like DR for agreeing with/not being against Ace's plan. I'm not convinced that this is particularly scummy in that it feels a little too committal toward a brewing bandwagon.
The next thing to crop up which really got the ball rolling was this post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10430660
Here aprudds throws out an ad-hom attack on DR. This is eerily reminiscent of how he managed to start a bandwagon against Freeloader in mafia XL. (For those that don't know, after role PMs went out, Freeloader asked whether mafia could PM each other despite the "no PMs" rule. aprudds brought this up as a scum slip and had the whole town distracted by it for all of day 1.) In this post aprudds is painting DR as an unlikable guy, sort of needlessly needling him/trolling him into acting scummier. And he continues to do it:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10430971
However, appruds doesn't vote for DR right away. It really feels like aprudds is riling up the town making them dislike DR while not really committing to him. It is only after Palmar also votes for DR that you finally cast your vote. To me that seems really scummy and manipulative, just like he played in mafia XL.
##vote: aprudds
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Yes, and explained why. Lack of reasoning for voting IS suspicious, but I have my reasons...they're just not backed up by his posts...but guess what? He's not posting anymore! So what am I supposed to do about it? I referred everyone back to his posts with an assignment. Did you do it? Did you go back and read his posts thinking 'Why would he say this as town? Why would he consider this as town? Why would he act this way as town?" I was literally unable to answer those questions when I read through his posts....so my conclusion is that he's scum and he's playing a very dangerous game...acting so scummy that many won't believe that he's scum. But I'm not fooled, and I'm pushing for his lynch. If you don't agree with me, that's fine...but it doesn't make me scum. It just makes me wrong.
Something else I find suspicious is that you're suspecting the one person trying to save this game from the inactivity monster. So what, you're content to let the thread sit in silence and no-lynch to scum victory?
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I'll also add that I highly doubt Ace is scum. He was literally the only one (I suppose besides myself) that took a stand against the DR lynch. DR flipping green kind of clears him in my mind.
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Pyo, could you point to the post(s) where Ace took a "stand" against the DR lynch? And why would that clear him in your mind? Scum would KNOW who's innocent and can manipulate town with that information by making a "stand" against a lynch that's bound to happen...but I don't even really see the post you're referring to.
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On July 26 2011 07:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yes, and explained why. Lack of reasoning for voting IS suspicious, but I have my reasons...they're just not backed up by his posts...but guess what? He's not posting anymore! So what am I supposed to do about it? I referred everyone back to his posts with an assignment. Did you do it? Did you go back and read his posts thinking 'Why would he say this as town? Why would he consider this as town? Why would he act this way as town?" I was literally unable to answer those questions when I read through his posts....so my conclusion is that he's scum and he's playing a very dangerous game...acting so scummy that many won't believe that he's scum. But I'm not fooled, and I'm pushing for his lynch. If you don't agree with me, that's fine...but it doesn't make me scum. It just makes me wrong.
Something else I find suspicious is that you're suspecting the one person trying to save this game from the inactivity monster. So what, you're content to let the thread sit in silence and no-lynch to scum victory?
What I find suspicious is that you are so sure Ace is scum and when I point out that you have no hard evidence you don't go look for it to prove your point. Notice I haven't voted yet because I'm still trying to get information which is what this is all about and the main information I have gotten from you is that you were pushing for a lynch when we had over 24 hours left with very little evidence which makes me think that there is another reason you want Ace lynched.
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K thx Trotske. When I'm done trying to get Ace lynched, you're next. Don't worry.
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So Mr. Ace still lying low it seems.
Guess he needs a bit more pressure.
##Vote Ace
Where you at ace?
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He's busy pretending to not care about this game...the one that was changed from a boot-camp game to one where vets are welcome, just to accommodate him. Just sayin....
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Day 2 vote count
Ace (3)
VisceraEyes
Sevryn
aprudds
Pyo (1)
Palmar
trotske (1)
redFF
aprudds (1)
Pyo
With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch! Ace is leading the vote with 3 votes but does not yet have a majority! Approximately 23 hours remain in the day and 4 people have yet to vote.
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<3 GM Sorry bout the lurkers bro...I know how you hates dem lurkers. X(
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On July 26 2011 08:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
He's busy pretending to not care about this game...the one that was changed from a boot-camp game to one where vets are welcome, just to accommodate him. Just sayin....
This is factually untrue, this game was going to be open to everyone from its conception.
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I was told that it was going to be a boot-camp game...by you...so I apologize for the misrepresentation, but that's the impression I got. Please disregard the post before the vote-count town.
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On July 26 2011 08:24 VisceraEyes wrote:I was told that it was going to be a boot-camp game...by you...so I apologize for the misrepresentation, but that's the impression I got. Please disregard the post before the vote-count town.
Well I won't muddle up this thread with any more debate about it, suffice it to say I ran this game because RoL and Radfield both wanted a SNMM open to everyone, like SNMMIII, due to the timing of the game they ended up not being able to play, but it *was* open to everyone from the start, although SNMM's are usually bootcamp games ^_^
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On July 26 2011 07:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
Pyo, could you point to the post(s) where Ace took a "stand" against the DR lynch? And why would that clear him in your mind? Scum would KNOW who's innocent and can manipulate town with that information by making a "stand" against a lynch that's bound to happen...but I don't even really see the post you're referring to.
it was this one:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10443762
and then this one:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245159¤tpage=15#287
I don't want to defend Ace too hard in case he really is mafia, but I'm inclined to take him at face value: a frustrated veteran mafia player who's throwing a tantrum because no one listened to him day 1 and are now trying to get him lynched.
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Radfield
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On July 26 2011 08:28 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 08:24 VisceraEyes wrote:I was told that it was going to be a boot-camp game...by you...so I apologize for the misrepresentation, but that's the impression I got. Please disregard the post before the vote-count town. Well I won't muddle up this thread with any more debate about it, suffice it to say I ran this game because RoL and Radfeild both wanted a SNMM open to everyone, like SNMMIII, due to the timing of the game they ended up not being able to play, but it *was* open to everyone from the start, although SNMM's are usually bootcamp games ^_^
i before e except after c....
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On July 26 2011 07:16 Pyo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 00:13 Sevryn wrote:
Looking at Pyo's posts i think he is either scum or super lazy he has a large amount of useless posts and the abstaining from voting.
Ace seems to me to have come into this game with the attitude that town is boned and its all just a barrel of laughs which makes me think there is a good chance he is scum.
because there isn't that much to read off of Pyo im going to vote ace for now.
##Vote Ace Yeah, I guess I have been kind of lazy. Seeing town jump on a bandwagon like that day 1 was certainly demoralizing. I've also kind of bummed myself out of Arkham Asylum too. But I'll start contributing: If you look back at how the DR bandwagon developed, it all started with this post by Jacinto: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10420934I thought this was a perfectly reasonable "get the ball rolling" attack on DR. The case was weak, mostly just non-commital play. I figured DR would just brush it off and the case would be dropped, and I thought DR's post was perfectly reasonable: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10429554Palmar next throws in a few jabs at DR (typical in-your-face Palmar play), but he seems more occupied with RedFF, and even threw out a jab at me as well. VisceraEyes next jumps in: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10430096This vote almost feels like VE is reacting to the fact that he doesn't like DR for agreeing with/not being against Ace's plan. I'm not convinced that this is particularly scummy in that it feels a little too committal toward a brewing bandwagon. The next thing to crop up which really got the ball rolling was this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10430660Here aprudds throws out an ad-hom attack on DR. This is eerily reminiscent of how he managed to start a bandwagon against Freeloader in mafia XL. (For those that don't know, after role PMs went out, Freeloader asked whether mafia could PM each other despite the "no PMs" rule. aprudds brought this up as a scum slip and had the whole town distracted by it for all of day 1.) In this post aprudds is painting DR as an unlikable guy, sort of needlessly needling him/trolling him into acting scummier. And he continues to do it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10430971However, appruds doesn't vote for DR right away. It really feels like aprudds is riling up the town making them dislike DR while not really committing to him. It is only after Palmar also votes for DR that you finally cast your vote. To me that seems really scummy and manipulative, just like he played in mafia XL. ##vote: aprudds
This is a really strong case. aprudds was kind of flying under my radar.
Right now my top candidates for scum are
1. Ace
2. aprudds
3.Trotske
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Actually im gonna look back through the thread at aprudds
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##vote: Ace
Charges:
@Ace contradiction
On July 21 2011 05:25 Ace wrote:
ok then I'll play
Mute of day two.
On July 21 2011 09:01 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 07:10 Hesmyrr wrote:
Ace joined? Oh shit. Looks like this game might be pretty interesting to follow along. I'll be relaxing this game so I won't be doing anything out of the ordinary. I'm just here to drink my champagne.
On July 22 2011 11:13 Ace wrote:
I'm for random lynching because I'm not expecting anyone to just out themselves so easily. I think it's a fun way to start off the game anyway because I'm not in the mood to read people arguing about things that aren't really that important to this game (like meta).
I'm not sure we have a Detective, but if he/she exists throwing up a random lynch and letting the pieces fall might help set their Scumdar in the right direction.
Seen a player before.
On July 22 2011 11:18 Ace wrote:I've seen you and Palmar play before thats why
Veiled gut reply from the word failure.
On July 22 2011 12:00 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
@Dragon
Actually, you're saying I'm not helpful to YOU. I've answered Jacinto's questions to his satisfaction, where Ace has still failed to do so. Palmar seems to think my opening statements were fine. You're speaking for town when you shouldn't be. Let town speak for themselves. Vote for me if you really think I'm scummy, but don't put words in everyone else' mouths. Let them think for themselves. oh ok this makes it even easier. ## vote VisceraEyes
Spots DR downfall.
On July 22 2011 12:04 Ace wrote:
you want a shovel to dig yourself out of the hole you're making? I'd help you bro, but this champagne glass I'm holding is a little too smooth to put down.
Piggy back on DR, pushed RL bait four times prior and slaps a pinata.
On July 23 2011 02:47 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 00:08 Palmar wrote:How the fuck have you played 100 games? have you been playing for years? Anyway On July 22 2011 12:03 DragonReborn422 wrote:On July 22 2011 11:59 Trotske wrote:On July 22 2011 11:54 DragonReborn422 wrote:On July 22 2011 11:49 Trotske wrote:On July 22 2011 11:43 DragonReborn422 wrote:
You're missing the point of my argument Viscera. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. I found it strange that you protest it making you look scummy. That is all. Perhaps our chances of hitting the mafia is more than 25% perhaps not. Again, I don't care a lick about the lynch. I'm pointing out that you are trying to helpful to the inexperienced whereas you're actually not. Could you point out the flaws in his reasoning? It seems to me that your posts have been more useless than his by bashing what he has to say and not supporting it at all other than saying "It has worked before" and not giving and evidence. I haven't bashed anyone. What are you talking about? His reasoning is that the town can do better than a random lynch on day 1 and we should not random lynch. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. Maybe THIS town CAN do better than a random lynch on day1. It could also DO worse than a random lynch on day1. I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHICH. I am pointing out that he appears helpful by saying that oh yea we can analayze and talk and discuss and we have a better chance of finding a mafia on day1. I think this looks pretty cool to the casual observer as yea...he sounds intelligent and useful...whereas in reality....we really don't know how good this town is. If we have a terrible town maybe we should just keeping randoming!! How can the town do worse than a RL day1. I'm not sure if that's a serious question. But I'll bite. We can be led down the wrong path by inexperienced townspeople or experienced mafia players or the combination of both and easily have wagons on only townspeople. With the mafia members knowing whos who, they have an advantage on day 1 to control the wagons more. This makes it look like you're perfectly fine with RL. That's a terrible idea and you should know it. And yes, I call out anyone who acts stupidly for acting stupidly. ##vote PalmarGuys, listen up. This is such a ridiculous post, part of many that Palmar has made that should be looked at seriously. Hold your biases for a second, stop and re-read the thread from the start of the game. You'll notice Palmar has been trying to undermine myself and DR22 on this Random Lynch issue. Not only did he put words in our mouths to make up stuff that wasn't said but he's even taking it a step further and now acting like "The Town" has decided Random Lynching is bad, and is thus Scummy if you support it. Since when did we ever decide that Random Lynching is a Scum move?. We never did. Even worse, how could he take that stance (deciding that "The Town" has made RL scummy) when he posted this: Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 18:34 Palmar wrote:
lol, I can see why people say you're good Ace, you somehow convinced half the thread that a random lynch on day 1 is a good idea?
How is it that I could have convinced half the thread that a Random Lynch is a good idea, but within the same day you also have stated that the Town has decided otherwise? Like here: Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:On July 22 2011 23:15 DragonReborn422 wrote:On July 22 2011 21:26 Palmar wrote:
your mother.
But it's still interesting.
Ace proposes terrible plan, Jacinto and VE don't like it, DragonReborn actually likes it. Like.. would scum actually take the chance? The lynch isn't really 25% chance because the mafia can co-ordinate their votes, if they so please, so I think what DragonReborn did was stupid, but probably not scummy. what exactly did i do that is stupid oh god of mafia? You agreed with ace's plan. From town perspective it doesn't make any sense, as judging by the sample of games I've played town has more like 50%+ chance of hitting mafia on day one, so if you're town, you should by logic never agree to this plan. Not only is he speaking for the Town, but now he is throwing out some falsities. The town doesn't have a "more than 50% chance" of hitting Mafia on Day 1 in any game of Mafia unless the game is broken. This is such an utterly stupid and absurd statement I don't know how anyone who has ever played a game of Mafia hasn't called him out on it. This quoted post is also another in a long line of Palmar misrepresenting DR's position. As DR asked him: Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 23:57 DragonReborn422 wrote:
@Palmar
I've agreed to Ace's plan. Where? Please show me a post that DIRECTLY states we should random lynch. To which Palmar has no response. The same as he can't list who I've convinced to RL. This is typical newbie Scum play. Like I said, just re-read the thread from scratch. There is no way that someone that is BLINDLY tunneling, not even reading other player's posts and purposely misrepresenting their position is likely Town. That's just so many blatant bad moves that he should be lynched. So once again, ## vote Palmar.
Piggy back hold.
On July 23 2011 19:50 Ace wrote:
You guys should drop your votes on DR22. There isn't a good case against him and Palmar is a far more detrimental player to the Town.
Then again my last post about reading the thread got ignored so I'm not even surprised it's come to this.
Can anyone show me an actual good case against DR22?
Attenuation factor: Blue exchange with Jacinto, too obvious, possible frame attempt.
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On July 22 2011 12:32 aprudds wrote:
And yes VisceraEyes, it does look like your making stuff up and putting them in people's mouths. It's quite annoying actually, and it hasn't even happened to me yet.
On July 22 2011 12:31 aprudds wrote:
So VisceraEyes if your so against random lynch what would be your alternative? Sit around and do nothing while scum picks us off at night? Can you provide a better option backed up with reasoning other then "NO THATS BAD!!!!!"?
On July 22 2011 12:46 aprudds wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Uh, aprudds...my suggestion was to scum-hunt...you know, play the game? Decide who's scummiest and lynch them? That's been my suggestion all along. When did I say 'NO THAT'S BAD!!!!'? It's not bad - I'll concede that it has about a 25% success rate. But I won't agree to it here because there's no need.
Ace just wants to. That's why it's being considered. Then go scum hunt. Why are you getting so worked up over something pointless? Do you honestly believe people will go for a random lynch if you have solid evidence against someone? I think you just have a bone to pick with ace and are trying to find any excuse to point at him.
Tunnels VE for like 3 posts straight
On July 23 2011 01:11 aprudds wrote:Dragon for such a "EXPERIENCED PLAYER" your play has been less then stellar. Stuff like Show nested quote +i probably have more games played than everyone here combined and probably at a higher level of play. Let's try to stay away from the mud-slinging ok? Makes me cry and laugh at the same time. You really seem to like waving your penis around eh? + Show Spoiler +On July 22 2011 10:10 DragonReborn422 wrote:
i was a heavy post counter for werewolf games on 2+2's puzzles and other games. I'm not sure if i will continue that trend on here for mafia games.
I'm sure i will have to adjust to the play style on here. I've mostly played "vanilla games" and not "mish-mash games" which have creative roles. I have probably 100 or so vanilla games played and about 10 mish-mash games played.
I remember the first time a bunch of us played a game on mafiascum and we got into a flame war with the forum just because the style of the game is so different between forums. I am fairly elitist and think my own style is very good, but I'm ok with taking a backseat and learning the ropes on a new forum.
I will post some reads soon.
I like your style of flexing your over 9000 games played. With that many games your reads must be super awesome as well! + Show Spoiler +On July 22 2011 10:59 DragonReborn422 wrote:
Jacinto and VisceraEyes look kind of scummy. Not sure on how much you guys have played though.
FOS (Finger of Suspicion) : Jacinto and Viscera. Ok this is the one and only time im going to use FOS...but i couldnt resist the first time. it's amusing to me in some way.
You guys look helpful but you're really not. Posts look a little forced. Jacinto looks a little better than Viscera.
I like Ace's posts. Some deep reasoning there. I guess your scumdar is just that good from all those games you played........ + Show Spoiler +On July 22 2011 11:23 DragonReborn422 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 22 2011 10:59 DragonReborn422 wrote:
Jacinto and VisceraEyes look kind of scummy. Not sure on how much you guys have played though.
FOS (Finger of Suspicion) : Jacinto and Viscera. Ok this is the one and only time im going to use FOS...but i couldnt resist the first time. it's amusing to me in some way.
You guys look helpful but you're really not. Posts look a little forced. Jacinto looks a little better than Viscera.
I like Ace's posts. All right Dragon, then we dispense with the pleasantries. I'm trying to create a pro-town environment. Tell me how that's scummy if you please. Clearly you agree with lynching randomly as Ace does, and his non-answer to my question apparently doesn't bother you because you're in perfect agreement about who you'd lynch given the reins. So let me pose this question to you, because I KNOW Ace has an answer for me. What benefit does town get from lynching a random person? I'm not necessarily in favor of a random lynch. However, a random lynch has a solid success rate. Given that this is a game with a fair amount of beginners, it can be very easy for the mafia to direct the kills in this game. Again, a lot of this depends on how much you have played...but it looks like you have some experience. I think your posts look a little forced and look helpful to the casual eye but really isn't helpful. Objecting to a random lynch by saying we have a higher chance of finding a mafia sounds really nice in theory.... but honestly...i doubt the town has a higher than 25% of finding a mafia on day 1. Or not..... I guess your scumdar is pretty terrible then. Put that penis down, your not the best player in the world and acting like it is just making you look like a fool. Your pride and indecisiveness is just going to get you hanged.
Than this post which really put me against DR.
On July 23 2011 01:30 aprudds wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 01:24 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I'm not waving my e-penis around. It's annoying when peopel with 8 games played calls my idea stupid. I haven't called anyone's ideas or posts stupid. Your waving it again. I don't think you can even recognize it.
same kind of thing attacking DR without attacking his arguments.
##unvote
##vote aprudds
I would prefer to see aprudds lynched today but ace is a good target aswell
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@Pyo
+ Show Spoiler +On July 26 2011 07:16 Pyo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 00:13 Sevryn wrote:
Looking at Pyo's posts i think he is either scum or super lazy he has a large amount of useless posts and the abstaining from voting.
Ace seems to me to have come into this game with the attitude that town is boned and its all just a barrel of laughs which makes me think there is a good chance he is scum.
because there isn't that much to read off of Pyo im going to vote ace for now.
##Vote Ace Yeah, I guess I have been kind of lazy. Seeing town jump on a bandwagon like that day 1 was certainly demoralizing. I've also kind of bummed myself out of Arkham Asylum too. But I'll start contributing: If you look back at how the DR bandwagon developed, it all started with this post by Jacinto: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10420934I thought this was a perfectly reasonable "get the ball rolling" attack on DR. The case was weak, mostly just non-commital play. I figured DR would just brush it off and the case would be dropped, and I thought DR's post was perfectly reasonable: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10429554Palmar next throws in a few jabs at DR (typical in-your-face Palmar play), but he seems more occupied with RedFF, and even threw out a jab at me as well. VisceraEyes next jumps in: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10430096This vote almost feels like VE is reacting to the fact that he doesn't like DR for agreeing with/not being against Ace's plan. I'm not convinced that this is particularly scummy in that it feels a little too committal toward a brewing bandwagon. The next thing to crop up which really got the ball rolling was this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10430660Here aprudds throws out an ad-hom attack on DR. This is eerily reminiscent of how he managed to start a bandwagon against Freeloader in mafia XL. (For those that don't know, after role PMs went out, Freeloader asked whether mafia could PM each other despite the "no PMs" rule. aprudds brought this up as a scum slip and had the whole town distracted by it for all of day 1.) In this post aprudds is painting DR as an unlikable guy, sort of needlessly needling him/trolling him into acting scummier. And he continues to do it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10430971However, appruds doesn't vote for DR right away. It really feels like aprudds is riling up the town making them dislike DR while not really committing to him. It is only after Palmar also votes for DR that you finally cast your vote. To me that seems really scummy and manipulative, just like he played in mafia XL. ##vote: aprudds
Your heavily basing your argument on your meta of me with a sample of 2 games, one of which I got lynched on the first day. Doesn't that seem a bit off to you?
DR's arrogance was quite annoying I felt the need to address it and have him tone down the ego a bit before it got out of control.
What made me think he was scum was not initially his posting style but his "list" and his responses afterwords. These lists are usually completely worthless this early in the game and if you recall mafia XL we had someone on the scum team make one to earn "town points." He was also very quick to express that his accusations were weak and constantly was trying to butter up ace.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 26 2011 07:20 Pyo wrote:
I'll also add that I highly doubt Ace is scum. He was literally the only one (I suppose besides myself) that took a stand against the DR lynch. DR flipping green kind of clears him in my mind. On July 26 2011 08:54 Pyo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 07:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
Pyo, could you point to the post(s) where Ace took a "stand" against the DR lynch? And why would that clear him in your mind? Scum would KNOW who's innocent and can manipulate town with that information by making a "stand" against a lynch that's bound to happen...but I don't even really see the post you're referring to. it was this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10443762and then this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245159¤tpage=15#287I don't want to defend Ace too hard in case he really is mafia, but I'm inclined to take him at face value: a frustrated veteran mafia player who's throwing a tantrum because no one listened to him day 1 and are now trying to get him lynched.
Doesn't that sound eerily familiar to Mafia XL Pyo? You know......like a certain iGrok that game? Funny how you mention my play in that game but don't recall the actions of the GF that game. A bit of selective memory perhaps? Your hesistation in directly defending Ace is also quite interesting especially since in Mafia XL the scum team didn't want to directly defend iGrok too hard either.
@Sevryn
+ Show Spoiler +On July 26 2011 11:32 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:32 aprudds wrote:
And yes VisceraEyes, it does look like your making stuff up and putting them in people's mouths. It's quite annoying actually, and it hasn't even happened to me yet. Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:31 aprudds wrote:
So VisceraEyes if your so against random lynch what would be your alternative? Sit around and do nothing while scum picks us off at night? Can you provide a better option backed up with reasoning other then "NO THATS BAD!!!!!"? Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:46 aprudds wrote:On July 22 2011 12:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Uh, aprudds...my suggestion was to scum-hunt...you know, play the game? Decide who's scummiest and lynch them? That's been my suggestion all along. When did I say 'NO THAT'S BAD!!!!'? It's not bad - I'll concede that it has about a 25% success rate. But I won't agree to it here because there's no need.
Ace just wants to. That's why it's being considered. Then go scum hunt. Why are you getting so worked up over something pointless? Do you honestly believe people will go for a random lynch if you have solid evidence against someone? I think you just have a bone to pick with ace and are trying to find any excuse to point at him. Tunnels VE for like 3 posts straightShow nested quote +On July 23 2011 01:11 aprudds wrote:Dragon for such a "EXPERIENCED PLAYER" your play has been less then stellar. Stuff like i probably have more games played than everyone here combined and probably at a higher level of play. Let's try to stay away from the mud-slinging ok? Makes me cry and laugh at the same time. You really seem to like waving your penis around eh? + Show Spoiler +On July 22 2011 10:10 DragonReborn422 wrote:
i was a heavy post counter for werewolf games on 2+2's puzzles and other games. I'm not sure if i will continue that trend on here for mafia games.
I'm sure i will have to adjust to the play style on here. I've mostly played "vanilla games" and not "mish-mash games" which have creative roles. I have probably 100 or so vanilla games played and about 10 mish-mash games played.
I remember the first time a bunch of us played a game on mafiascum and we got into a flame war with the forum just because the style of the game is so different between forums. I am fairly elitist and think my own style is very good, but I'm ok with taking a backseat and learning the ropes on a new forum.
I will post some reads soon.
I like your style of flexing your over 9000 games played. With that many games your reads must be super awesome as well! + Show Spoiler +On July 22 2011 10:59 DragonReborn422 wrote:
Jacinto and VisceraEyes look kind of scummy. Not sure on how much you guys have played though.
FOS (Finger of Suspicion) : Jacinto and Viscera. Ok this is the one and only time im going to use FOS...but i couldnt resist the first time. it's amusing to me in some way.
You guys look helpful but you're really not. Posts look a little forced. Jacinto looks a little better than Viscera.
I like Ace's posts. Some deep reasoning there. I guess your scumdar is just that good from all those games you played........ + Show Spoiler +On July 22 2011 11:23 DragonReborn422 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 22 2011 10:59 DragonReborn422 wrote:
Jacinto and VisceraEyes look kind of scummy. Not sure on how much you guys have played though.
FOS (Finger of Suspicion) : Jacinto and Viscera. Ok this is the one and only time im going to use FOS...but i couldnt resist the first time. it's amusing to me in some way.
You guys look helpful but you're really not. Posts look a little forced. Jacinto looks a little better than Viscera.
I like Ace's posts. All right Dragon, then we dispense with the pleasantries. I'm trying to create a pro-town environment. Tell me how that's scummy if you please. Clearly you agree with lynching randomly as Ace does, and his non-answer to my question apparently doesn't bother you because you're in perfect agreement about who you'd lynch given the reins. So let me pose this question to you, because I KNOW Ace has an answer for me. What benefit does town get from lynching a random person? I'm not necessarily in favor of a random lynch. However, a random lynch has a solid success rate. Given that this is a game with a fair amount of beginners, it can be very easy for the mafia to direct the kills in this game. Again, a lot of this depends on how much you have played...but it looks like you have some experience. I think your posts look a little forced and look helpful to the casual eye but really isn't helpful. Objecting to a random lynch by saying we have a higher chance of finding a mafia sounds really nice in theory.... but honestly...i doubt the town has a higher than 25% of finding a mafia on day 1. Or not..... I guess your scumdar is pretty terrible then. Put that penis down, your not the best player in the world and acting like it is just making you look like a fool. Your pride and indecisiveness is just going to get you hanged. Than this post which really put me against DR.Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 01:30 aprudds wrote:On July 23 2011 01:24 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I'm not waving my e-penis around. It's annoying when peopel with 8 games played calls my idea stupid. I haven't called anyone's ideas or posts stupid. Your waving it again. I don't think you can even recognize it. same kind of thing attacking DR without attacking his arguments.##unvote
##vote aprudds I would prefer to see aprudds lynched today but ace is a good target aswell
What the heck mate? You have a gigantic quote wall with no arguments at all?
Three posts on day one now counts as tunneling? What's your reasoning that these posts are scummy?
Your next 2 points doesn't make much sense. I told the guy to stop being so arrogant. If that put you against him that means that you agreed with my post.
Can you justify yourself a bit better? or can I just assume your just looking for an excuse to jump bandwagons?
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Ugh, inactivity is going to kill this game as it's a majority lynch system but I'm as much to blame as anyone else.
I'm fairly certain Mafia is among those lying low unless everyone just lost interest in this game because they know in this setup it's very much favourable for Mafia if everyone just sits back and doesn't do anything.
For this point Ace's I-don't-care attitude in encouraging more inactivity rubs me the wrong way. Ace you're a renowned player, can you give some thoughts?
For now:
##Vote: Ace
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And if you're Town, please start posting. I will do so myself now as well.
I got no pressure at all (no one even mentioned me actually) even though I was the hammer on DR and I've been MIA almost the entire game (sorry guys). For Mafia it would be ridiculously easy to no post their way to victory while the active players argue with each other all day.
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Where is RedFF and Palmer They havn't posted much on D2 at all the last time RedFF posted was to accuse me after I called him scum and the last time palmer said anything was before that and votes for Pyo.
My most likely mafia right now are RedFF, Palmer, and aprudds. I still don't think anyone has made a real case vs Ace that is better than any of these three people. I think right now the best case is against aprudds so to recap.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 26 2011 11:32 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:32 aprudds wrote:
And yes VisceraEyes, it does look like your making stuff up and putting them in people's mouths. It's quite annoying actually, and it hasn't even happened to me yet. Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:31 aprudds wrote:
So VisceraEyes if your so against random lynch what would be your alternative? Sit around and do nothing while scum picks us off at night? Can you provide a better option backed up with reasoning other then "NO THATS BAD!!!!!"? Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:46 aprudds wrote:On July 22 2011 12:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Uh, aprudds...my suggestion was to scum-hunt...you know, play the game? Decide who's scummiest and lynch them? That's been my suggestion all along. When did I say 'NO THAT'S BAD!!!!'? It's not bad - I'll concede that it has about a 25% success rate. But I won't agree to it here because there's no need.
Ace just wants to. That's why it's being considered. Then go scum hunt. Why are you getting so worked up over something pointless? Do you honestly believe people will go for a random lynch if you have solid evidence against someone? I think you just have a bone to pick with ace and are trying to find any excuse to point at him. Tunnels VE for like 3 posts straight Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 01:11 aprudds wrote:Dragon for such a "EXPERIENCED PLAYER" your play has been less then stellar. Stuff like i probably have more games played than everyone here combined and probably at a higher level of play. Let's try to stay away from the mud-slinging ok? Makes me cry and laugh at the same time. You really seem to like waving your penis around eh? + Show Spoiler +On July 22 2011 10:10 DragonReborn422 wrote:
i was a heavy post counter for werewolf games on 2+2's puzzles and other games. I'm not sure if i will continue that trend on here for mafia games.
I'm sure i will have to adjust to the play style on here. I've mostly played "vanilla games" and not "mish-mash games" which have creative roles. I have probably 100 or so vanilla games played and about 10 mish-mash games played.
I remember the first time a bunch of us played a game on mafiascum and we got into a flame war with the forum just because the style of the game is so different between forums. I am fairly elitist and think my own style is very good, but I'm ok with taking a backseat and learning the ropes on a new forum.
I will post some reads soon.
I like your style of flexing your over 9000 games played. With that many games your reads must be super awesome as well! + Show Spoiler +On July 22 2011 10:59 DragonReborn422 wrote:
Jacinto and VisceraEyes look kind of scummy. Not sure on how much you guys have played though.
FOS (Finger of Suspicion) : Jacinto and Viscera. Ok this is the one and only time im going to use FOS...but i couldnt resist the first time. it's amusing to me in some way.
You guys look helpful but you're really not. Posts look a little forced. Jacinto looks a little better than Viscera.
I like Ace's posts. Some deep reasoning there. I guess your scumdar is just that good from all those games you played........ + Show Spoiler +On July 22 2011 11:23 DragonReborn422 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 22 2011 10:59 DragonReborn422 wrote:
Jacinto and VisceraEyes look kind of scummy. Not sure on how much you guys have played though.
FOS (Finger of Suspicion) : Jacinto and Viscera. Ok this is the one and only time im going to use FOS...but i couldnt resist the first time. it's amusing to me in some way.
You guys look helpful but you're really not. Posts look a little forced. Jacinto looks a little better than Viscera.
I like Ace's posts. All right Dragon, then we dispense with the pleasantries. I'm trying to create a pro-town environment. Tell me how that's scummy if you please. Clearly you agree with lynching randomly as Ace does, and his non-answer to my question apparently doesn't bother you because you're in perfect agreement about who you'd lynch given the reins. So let me pose this question to you, because I KNOW Ace has an answer for me. What benefit does town get from lynching a random person? I'm not necessarily in favor of a random lynch. However, a random lynch has a solid success rate. Given that this is a game with a fair amount of beginners, it can be very easy for the mafia to direct the kills in this game. Again, a lot of this depends on how much you have played...but it looks like you have some experience. I think your posts look a little forced and look helpful to the casual eye but really isn't helpful. Objecting to a random lynch by saying we have a higher chance of finding a mafia sounds really nice in theory.... but honestly...i doubt the town has a higher than 25% of finding a mafia on day 1. Or not..... I guess your scumdar is pretty terrible then. Put that penis down, your not the best player in the world and acting like it is just making you look like a fool. Your pride and indecisiveness is just going to get you hanged. Than this post which really put me against DR. Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 01:30 aprudds wrote:On July 23 2011 01:24 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I'm not waving my e-penis around. It's annoying when peopel with 8 games played calls my idea stupid. I haven't called anyone's ideas or posts stupid. Your waving it again. I don't think you can even recognize it. same kind of thing attacking DR without attacking his arguments. ##unvote
##vote aprudds I would prefer to see aprudds lynched today but ace is a good target aswell
+ Show Spoiler +On July 26 2011 07:16 Pyo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 00:13 Sevryn wrote:
Looking at Pyo's posts i think he is either scum or super lazy he has a large amount of useless posts and the abstaining from voting.
Ace seems to me to have come into this game with the attitude that town is boned and its all just a barrel of laughs which makes me think there is a good chance he is scum.
because there isn't that much to read off of Pyo im going to vote ace for now.
##Vote Ace Yeah, I guess I have been kind of lazy. Seeing town jump on a bandwagon like that day 1 was certainly demoralizing. I've also kind of bummed myself out of Arkham Asylum too. But I'll start contributing: If you look back at how the DR bandwagon developed, it all started with this post by Jacinto: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10420934I thought this was a perfectly reasonable "get the ball rolling" attack on DR. The case was weak, mostly just non-commital play. I figured DR would just brush it off and the case would be dropped, and I thought DR's post was perfectly reasonable: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10429554Palmar next throws in a few jabs at DR (typical in-your-face Palmar play), but he seems more occupied with RedFF, and even threw out a jab at me as well. VisceraEyes next jumps in: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10430096This vote almost feels like VE is reacting to the fact that he doesn't like DR for agreeing with/not being against Ace's plan. I'm not convinced that this is particularly scummy in that it feels a little too committal toward a brewing bandwagon. The next thing to crop up which really got the ball rolling was this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10430660Here aprudds throws out an ad-hom attack on DR. This is eerily reminiscent of how he managed to start a bandwagon against Freeloader in mafia XL. (For those that don't know, after role PMs went out, Freeloader asked whether mafia could PM each other despite the "no PMs" rule. aprudds brought this up as a scum slip and had the whole town distracted by it for all of day 1.) In this post aprudds is painting DR as an unlikable guy, sort of needlessly needling him/trolling him into acting scummier. And he continues to do it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10430971However, appruds doesn't vote for DR right away. It really feels like aprudds is riling up the town making them dislike DR while not really committing to him. It is only after Palmar also votes for DR that you finally cast your vote. To me that seems really scummy and manipulative, just like he played in mafia XL. ##vote: aprudds
##Vote aprudds
What happened to me thinking VE is scum you say? I think hes just a misguided townie who needs to reread why he thinks Ace is scum and I don't actually think hes scum anymore when I don't actually have a better scum read on him than RedFF, Palmer, and aprudds.
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Trotske, what is your suspicion about redFF? And why Palmar?
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Trotske, what is your opinion on Ace?
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On July 26 2011 00:32 Trotske wrote:someone else I have had my eye on is RedFF simply because His posts havn't been helpful at all. here he posts an img saying that the vote on DR was a bandwagon which might be true + Show Spoiler +On July 24 2011 01:01 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 00:40 Trotske wrote:
DR I think your reason's for trying to make a wagon on me have more to do with you trying to save yourself and less about me being scum.
Please show me where I have acted as Scum and not just asked for clarifications on certain things due to the fact that this is my first game of mafia, EVER. This whole game I have tried to reason out some of the positions other people have held using logic and the Question "does this help the town?"
From what I understand your main reason to think that I am scum has to do with me lurking, which is not the case at all of what I was doing. What I have been doing this whole thread has been asking questions when I don't understand something or only talking when I have something useful to contribute aka not just posting to post.
If you think I am wrong anywhere in this post point it out and I will explain why I am not wrong or apologize for it.
##vote DragonReborn422 Two posts later he votes for DR.
Is one reason I am getting a scummy feel from redFF another is that Most of his few posts havn't really been helpful in anyway or are just one liners without backing anything up.
Palmer Is more of a he hasnt been around much on D2 TBH I don't have much of a case on him he just feels scummy to me so I thought I would get some pressure on him.
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My opinion of Ace is he is playing pretty dumb for town or scum so I think there are better people to lynch.
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You don't get a scummy feel from me or Ace or any of the other people who haven't been around on day 2? Why Palmar in particular?
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Palmer is my 3rd pick I havn't really, made much of a case against him, as to why not Ace or you When ace has posted and its not to bitch and moan he stated his reasons for what he was doing which seems townie to me and you while you havn't posted much but when you do post you atleast give reasons to your votes and such even if they arent very good ones TBH your tied with VE for being kinda suspsious but not really doign anythign I could act on.
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Aprudds do you have a case on ace? I saw you posting earlier how you were trying to get him to post but besides his inactivity which I agree is scummy do you have a case?
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Day 2 vote count
Ace (4)
VisceraEyes
Sevryn
aprudds
Fortress Fortune
Curu
Pyo (1)
Palmar
trotske (1)
redFF
aprudds (3)
Pyo
Servyn
Trotske
With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch! Ace is leading the vote with 4 votes but does not yet have a majority! Approximately 5 hours remain in the day and 1 person has yet to vote.
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shouldn't it be five hours?
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and isn't Ace the only one not to vote?
Am I missing something?
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I want to ask the people who aren't voting for aprudds to look at the cases for the other people and then compare it to the case for aprudds if they really think there are any other cases stronger than his. If you think that is true please post why you think that so other people can see your thinking.
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Yeah, I forgot to change it.
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I think the best course today is no lynch because of inactivity and Mafia can inevitably sway any lynch their way right now with no majority yet and only a few hours before deadline. I apologize again guys, I'm as much to blame as much as anyone.
Let's make sure we have a much more productive next day.
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Oh and
##Unvote
Unless we can get a consensus in these 5 hours.
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Remember that voting is still mandatory, you may not abstain ^_^
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Oh right well
##Vote: Curu
I'd like to pursue Ace tomorrow if he still doesn't show up but I don't want to let Mafia get him lynched while we're all inactive.
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On July 27 2011 03:34 Curu wrote:
Oh right well
##Vote: Curu
I'd like to pursue Ace tomorrow if he still doesn't show up but I don't want to let Mafia get him lynched while we're all inactive.
It takes 6 votes to lynch, so even if you didn't change your vote, he still wouldn't get lynched.
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Yes, but 2 Mafia (or even Town) can easily "wander" into the thread and vote for him with 2 hours to go.
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Ace is actually playing very intelligently for scum...as he tends to do.
Curu, your vote was in the right place. A vote on yourself is an anti-town vote for no-lynch. Congratulations.
Trotske, tell Ace in ur quicktopic that he's won...and can come back in-thread.
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##Unvote
##Vote: No Lynch
Congrats scum.
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I am hoping he doesn't come back TBH then he will get mod killed and we don't have to deal with his depressing posts.
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And I still don't know why you are so sure that Ace is scum
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Because no action he's taken in this ENTIRE GAME has been for the good of town. Period.
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Everything he's posted, everything he's done, has been to further a separate agenda that has nothing to do with catching scum.
That's why I'm sure. Because he's not interested in helping town win. And in this setup (regardless of what variant it is), that means that he's scum.
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He's not a 3rd party who could be just as interested temporarily in catching scum as town, he's not a separate faction of scum trying to lynch some other faction's scum. He's playing for his own amusement and isn't trying to help town period...which makes him scum in my mind.
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It's true...I don't have any evidence in his posts. He's been careful enough to make sure that's a fact. His posts have been very...inflammatory. He's only interested in creating DRAMA in town, not in finding scum. You know who drama in town favors? Scum. You know who tries to start drama in town to distract from scum-hunting? Scum. You know who's interested in Random Lynching over scum-hunting? SCUM. There's a pattern here. Ace is scum guys. If he's not and I'm wrong, then we can deal with that tomorrow. But I'm confident.
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##Unvote: No Lynch
##Vote: Ace
My vote remains here regardless of whether we get a majority or not. Anyone who wants to lose to scum is free to vote for anyone else...but if you want to win with Town, you'll vote for Ace and we can handle everything else tomorrow.
This has been a public service announcement from VisceraEyes.
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Alright Here is my thought process, 50% of me thinks Aces posts are him being a lazy town in a small game, the other 50% thinks he is scum being lazy in a small game. either way I think I would rather have him lynched than a no lynch so.
## unvote
##vote Ace
at least this way we get some more info instead of just letting mafia get a free day.
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Ace is my top suspect too but do you really think, judging by the level of activity, that 2 Townies are going to wander in and be convinced enough to vote for him?
Still a worthless day is pretty bad I agree, but I think the only chance Ace gets lynched is if Mafia wills it.
Who is currently here atm?
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Ok so we're two away.
##Unvote: Curu
##Vote: Ace
We need 1 person to hammer him.
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RedFF and Palamar, your not going to get your respective targets lynched today. We need you to change your votes to Ace or at least give reasoning on why he's not scum. Realize that if you stay on your target your voting for a no lynch day.
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lets get some activity next day k?
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lmao Ace you fool. You should know my tunnels are pretty convincing if left unchecked.
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Ace says he's not going to try, ace gets lynched, ace reappears after hammer. Coincidence? I think not. If Ace is town, he's sabotaged his team. If he's scum, he's just genuinely too late (although I tend to believe he also sabotaged his team in that case).
I wait with bated breath for his flip.
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Well if he was Town that just didn't want to try, he made himself a mislynch target.
I can't be a hypocrite and call him out on it though, I haven't been the model of activity either on Day 2. Here's to Day 3 being a new beginning.
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I actually just got home. But it really didn't matter anyway.
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Well it's not too late. I'm here and I can take my vote off of you, which makes it into a no lynch.
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what happened to playing to win ace?
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I don't know if what's more scummy, your general disinterest in the game, your unfounded defense of RD422 on day 1, or your analysis on myself based on things that weren't true.
But in any case.
##Unvote
##Vote Ace
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I'm here to unvote if you have a convincing case.
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On July 27 2011 04:02 Trotske wrote:
Alright Here is my thought process, 50% of me thinks Aces posts are him being a lazy town in a small game, the other 50% thinks he is scum being lazy in a small game. either way I think I would rather have him lynched than a no lynch so.
## unvote
##vote Ace
at least this way we get some more info instead of just letting mafia get a free day.
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Day 2 vote count
Ace (7)
VisceraEyes
Sevryn
aprudds
Fortress Fortune
Curu
VisceraEyes
Trotske
Curu
Servyn
Palmar
Pyo (0)
Palmar
trotske (1)
redFF
Curu (0)
Curu
aprudds (1)
Pyo
Servyn
Trotske
With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch! Ace is leading the vote with 7 and has a majority! Approximately 50 minutes remain in the day.
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Ace are you honestly that disinterested in this game -.-
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Well I can't believe Ace would be so uncaring about his demise if he was Mafia so I think he's just disinterested Town right now.
Ace, if you are Town, please start trying if I can get this lynch off you.
We need 1 more person to take their vote off Ace.
##Unvote: Ace
##Vote: No Lynch
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Towns only weapon is lynching, we need to lynch every day.
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A no lynch is still better than a mislynch. What does killing Ace tell us? I honestly think he's just bored, disinterested Townie. He wouldn't be so carefree about getting lynched if he was Mafia, unless he just really doesn't give a shit about this game either way.
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Why would he give more of a shit if he was mafia?
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*sigh* because people keep trying to do this, I suppose its allowed. You may now vote for a no lynch if you so desire...
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Because generally Mafia is much more inclined to pay attention to the game and play it out. Vanilla Townies are the ones who always lose interest.
Have you ever seen a member of Mafia replaced?
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How many of you genuinely believe he is scum or are you just voting on the easy bandwagon or because he's inactive?
His defeatist attitude and everything is annoying but don't lynch him because of it. We already made a mistake in lynching DR422 out of annoyance.
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If Ace flips Town then I encourage everyone to look heavily at the people who jumped on the bandwagon with flimsy reasoning then refused to get off.
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Actually, I've replaced into Mafia position twice in my short history playing Mafia...it's not unheard of, and it's certainly not impossible.
But the fact that he's skating by on minimum requirements tells me that this is a ploy, designed to make you think EXACTLY as you're thinking now.
But obviously, your mileage may vary.
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Day 2 Final vote count
Ace (6)
VisceraEyes
Sevryn
aprudds
Fortress Fortune
Curu
VisceraEyes
Trotske
Curu
Servyn
Palmar
Pyo (0)
Palmar
trotske (1)
redFF
Curu (0)
Curu
aprudds (1)
Pyo
Servyn
Trotske
No Lynch (2)
Ace
Curu
Ace to be lynched!
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You seriously think he's taking the gambit that someone like me would see his complete disinterest as a sign he was Mafia and be able to push his no lynch?
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Night 2
It had been a fairly quiet 48 hours, with the vault dwellers wandering around aimlessly and hardly discussing anything at all. As the clock ticked down the town all silently gathered around Ace and pushed him into the machine. He hardly even complained, just tipping his hat at the town, as he was shoved in. "Remember to read, rather than guess" Ace said as the metal manacles wrapped around his wrists. That was the last thing he would say, other than his screams of sheer agony as the machine turned on.
The process finished, the machine beeped, and the Not Infected sign turned on once again, much to the despair of the remaining vault dwellers.
Three Vault dwellers are dead, and the end is nigh approaching, will the town take Ace's advice to heart? or will the infected triumph?
Ace, the Future Hero of the Wasteland (Vanilla Townie) has been killed by radiation poisoning
It is now night 2! Get all night actions to both myself and sandroba by the end of the night.
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Spectacular. Thanks for giving a shit Ace, your help was invaluable.
/facepalm
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Oh look I was right.
Unless Medic is a hero tonight, we have 5 to 3 left. That means we need to either no lynch tomorrow or have a Mafia killed. Mislynch means we lose.
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OH look Ace is town what a shocker VE
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On July 27 2011 07:05 Trotske wrote:
OH look Ace is town what a shocker VE
you voted him......
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Trotske must be tomorrow's lynch. He was unsure of Ace's scumminess but voted him for a weak reason (understandable), then conveniently disappeared from the thread when I was trying to get people to unvote Ace. Now he's conveniently here again RIGHT after the post confirms Ace was Town.
If you were truly so sure about Ace flipping Town like you suggest with that post then you would have unvoted when I was calling for someone to do it.
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or we should lynch you.
There was no reason to unvote ace, unless you already knew his alignment.
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On July 27 2011 07:05 Trotske wrote:
OH look Ace is town what a shocker VE
although this post is pretty damn stupid.
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Because his inactivity is not enough reason to get him lynched and his complete disregard for getting lynched suggested that he was truly just disinterested in this game. I suspected him in the first place because I thought his attitude and belittling of Town was on purpose, but after he did nothing even in immediate danger of getting lynched it was obvious he just doesn't care.
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or that he wanted people like you to try to push away from his lynch, now we obviously know it was just indifference.
There are plenty of reasons, he tried to get me lynched on the shittiest evidence I've seen, half of it fabricated, then he just called everyone stupid and left the thread.
And then the fact that he randomly decided to defend a scummy player on day 1.
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Yes Curu, obvious. Get off your high-horse and start looking for scum. Palmar is right - if Trotske hadn't been spending the last day painting a target on his neck, you'd be my next scum pick based on your reaction and ridiculous insistence that you were certain of his alignment AND that you're town. Give me a break.
See you in the morning town (if I live)...something tells me I will though.
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I'm under suspicion cause I came to the realization that Ace just truly didn't give a shit?
Look through the thread, my entire case for suspecting Ace was because I thought his behavior was subtly Anti Town. But it wasn't, it was just him really not caring, and not caring/being annoying isn't enough reason to lynch him. We already made that mistake with DR422.
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Also, if there is a DT you claim NOW and leave the results of your investigations. No DT claim is to be trusted after this Night, because if Mafia fake claims a DT and gets a mislynch out of it then Town's already lost.
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His behavior, regardless of its motives, was anti-town. He literally made 3 posts d2, and 2 of those were in the hour before his lynch. He wasn't helping town at all, he was doing literally nothing. Yes, he didn't give a shit...that much is now clear...but regardless of whether he cared or didn't care or whatever...his behavior was anti-town and he died for it. End of story.
You're under suspicion because you're holding up a freak-flag because you 'defended Ace' and he flipped town...but the crux is that if you're scum, you already knew he'd flip town...so that isn't going to get you ANY town points from me, at least.
Tomorrow you'd better bring the stuff because today you're looking really scummy. See you in the morning.
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On July 27 2011 07:27 Curu wrote:
Also, if there is a DT you claim NOW and leave the results of your investigations. No DT claim is to be trusted after this Night, because if Mafia fake claims a DT and gets a mislynch out of it then Town's already lost.
yea claim at night so mafia know who to kill
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I never expected it to get Town points, I did it because I truly believed he was Town. I literally did nothing Day 1 or Day 2 either because I was more invested in PTP.
Anyways two things we lay out:
We don't trust a DT claim because Mafia could easily be faking in there to force the mislynch.
We lynch Trotske tomorrow.
Suspect me all you want as long as these two happen.
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Sevyrn, use your head for a second and think okay? Tomorrow is mylo. If you think hard enough, you can see why DT needs to claim now.
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On July 27 2011 07:17 Palmar wrote:
or that he wanted people like you to try to push away from his lynch, now we obviously know it was just indifference.
There are plenty of reasons, he tried to get me lynched on the shittiest evidence I've seen, half of it fabricated, then he just called everyone stupid and left the thread.
And then the fact that he randomly decided to defend a scummy player on day 1.
This
to be honest I didn't care if ace was mafia or town because either he was a useless townie or he was mafia either way he was the best lynch candidate. The whole day I was trying to get people to talk so that maybe we could have someone better to lynch than ace but there just wasn't.
Even though he was so sure that Ace was scum I don't think VE is. While his reasons for tunneling Ace weren't very good ones they were the best we had to go on.
The people who strike me as scummy right now are aprudds, redFF , and now Curu.
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On July 27 2011 07:33 Curu wrote:
Sevyrn, use your head for a second and think okay? Tomorrow is mylo. If you think hard enough, you can see why DT needs to claim now.
So what you are saying is you need a DT to claim and hope that there is a medic?
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What bullshit. You said multiple times in your posts you didn't think Ace was scummy and you were clearly in the thread when I was trying to get people to unvote from him. If you were Pro Town and didn't believe Ace was scummy, you would have unvoted him.
On July 27 2011 03:51 Trotske wrote:
And I still don't know why you are so sure that Ace is scum
On July 27 2011 01:24 Trotske wrote:
Palmer is my 3rd pick I havn't really, made much of a case against him, as to why not Ace or you When ace has posted and its not to bitch and moan he stated his reasons for what he was doing which seems townie to me and you while you havn't posted much but when you do post you atleast give reasons to your votes and such even if they arent very good ones TBH your tied with VE for being kinda suspsious but not really doign anythign I could act on.
On July 27 2011 00:20 Trotske wrote:
What happened to me thinking VE is scum you say? I think hes just a misguided townie who needs to reread why he thinks Ace is scum and I don't actually think hes scum anymore when I don't actually have a better scum read on him than RedFF, Palmer, and aprudds.
Please do the smart thing tomorrow and lynch Trotske Town.
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On July 27 2011 07:37 Trotske wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 07:33 Curu wrote:
Sevyrn, use your head for a second and think okay? Tomorrow is mylo. If you think hard enough, you can see why DT needs to claim now. So what you are saying is you need a DT to claim and hope that there is a medic?
What I am saying is if a DT doesn't claim tonight, then we don't trust any DT claims period.
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On July 27 2011 07:33 Curu wrote:
Sevyrn, use your head for a second and think okay? Tomorrow is mylo. If you think hard enough, you can see why DT needs to claim now.
No need for the ad hominem attack man. I didn't realize it was mylo while it sucks IF we have a DT they should claim.
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yeah I'm lynching any asshole with a dt check that shows up tomorrow and tries to paint someone scum.
Mafia can fake-claim and instantly win the game, so either you claim tonight, or you don't.
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I'm calling Bullshit on your bullshit, When you were calling out for people to call off the vote all Ace did was play the same anti town way.
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I don't think a DT should claim at all and simply if they hit a scum try to persuade people to vote for them.
Mafia can just counter claim any DT or claim first and then say it was a mafia counter claim if a real DT comes along.
Claiming gets us nowhere. we still don't know who to trust.
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Right, voting for you tomorrow Trotske.
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No, all Ace did was not care. If he was truly a Mafia trying to subtly derail Town (as I thought he was - the ONLY reason I wanted his lynch) then he would have cared a bit more when he was at the pearly gates.
Ace did NOTHING that he wasn't doing before. He did not make himself seem more scummy. You were all for thinking he wasn't scum before yet you refused to move your vote off.
The only use a DT can get is if they claim tonight. Tomorrow does nothing.
Trotske is very definitely Mafia, please lynch him next day Town.
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Calm down Curu. That's the plan. But nothing can be done about it for like 23 hours.
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I need to emphasize so this doesn't get derailed or somehow forgotten if I die tonight.
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I love how you and palmer get active all of a sudden right after if there is a bad lynch tomorrow You are now both at the top of my Scum list with RedFF. 3 not so active people with little to say and once we are down to last chance lynch they get all active trying to lynch one person with very little evidence.
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On July 27 2011 07:54 Trotske wrote:
I love how you and palmer get active all of a sudden right after if there is a bad lynch tomorrow You are now both at the top of my Scum list with RedFF. 3 not so active people with little to say and once we are down to last chance lynch they get all active trying to lynch one person with very little evidence.
I'm completely fine with being no1 on mafia's scumlist.
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Also, PLEASE be there tomorrow Town. All 5 votes are needed to reach lynch, so we're going to need every Townie voting.
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Love how your guys main evidence is that I could have prevented the Ace lynch but where were you guys the 24 hours before he got lynched? apparently not reading this thread because you would have seen that I said I didn't think Ace was scum and then after a whole day of ace not posting did i finally agree that he would be a better lynch than a no lynch and yet no where Did I say I thought he was scum.
I will also note that If I had realized that we only had one chance to get a mafia lynch left if ace turned out to be a townie I would have stopped the lynch but this being my first mafia game and all i missed it sorry but its not like you said that or anything when you were asking people to stop the lynch.
so please do the town a favor and stop assuming I knew everything you said I did.
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On July 27 2011 07:46 Trotske wrote:
I don't think a DT should claim at all and simply if they hit a scum try to persuade people to vote for them.
Mafia can just counter claim any DT or claim first and then say it was a mafia counter claim if a real DT comes along.
Claiming gets us nowhere. we still don't know who to trust.
That's the reason I wanna kill you, not the fact that you voted for ace. Voting for Ace was logical, telling DTs to shut up is illogical.
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it would help if you pointed out the flaw...
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Ok Trotske, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt while I read through this thread and see if Ace's death reveals anyone more scummier than you. But if it doesn't, you've got to be the lynch tomorrow.
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And normally "it's my first time playing" is not a valid defense but given this is a relatively new player game we shall see.
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Make sure you send your night actions to me too!
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That this went to yellow the night before mylo is a rather ominous indicator for how the Day is going to go >_<.
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Your defeatist attitude is pro-town my guy. [/sarcasm]
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Making this post 1 minute before the deadline in case I die. I also can’t let Mafia see it with time to change anything.
You know how I said the DT needed to claim at night to be trusted right? Well if he didn’t die, you still can’t trust him. He could easily still be Mafia trying to push a mislynch. The only way you can trust the DT is if he died as that would absolutely confirm him.
So, if anyone other than the claimed DT dies, do not trust any DT claims.
So I know I’ve been pushing Trotske as the lynch, but for the same reasons there’s something far more damning:
On July 22 2011 09:05 VisceraEyes wrote:The illustrious Ace is here with us, however..showing us scrubs how it's done. d1 PL for the guy who wrote the book (thread) on how to be scum anyone?
He cannot possibly have thought Ace was playing so poorly as scum. He was tunneling from the start for Ace’s mislynch.
Trotske’s mistake is a possible noob mistake, VE’s was not.
Keep in mind that Mafia is highly unlikely to bus teammates at mylo. Town also cannot afford to be misled by Mafia, even one of you. VE or Trotske are my best bets, with something like 80% VE and 20% Trotske.
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United States22154 Posts
Day 3
"Any moment now, you'll be dead! Are you excited to see what that's like? "
This is what boomed over the loudspeakers, apparently someone hacked it overnight. This boded... poorly... for the remaining vault dwellers.
A more omnious sign was the fact that aprudds was found dead in his room, a pile of sludge , only a few half melted bones jutting out from the gory mess. Apparently he had been reaching for the exit hatch, but had died far too quickly to reach it.
aprudds the vault mechanic (Vanilla Townie) has died to a deadly retrovirus!
Its day 3, with 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch! Day ends in 48 hours. Oh, and I'll be have no internet access for the next 6 days, sandroba is in charge, behave or face my wrath when I return
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that's nice of the mafia to kill someone who some people thought looked scummy.
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yep, we have no dt.
Has anyone gotten roleblocked at any point in the game?
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On July 28 2011 07:00 Curu wrote:Making this post 1 minute before the deadline in case I die. I also can’t let Mafia see it with time to change anything. You know how I said the DT needed to claim at night to be trusted right? Well if he didn’t die, you still can’t trust him. He could easily still be Mafia trying to push a mislynch. The only way you can trust the DT is if he died as that would absolutely confirm him. So, if anyone other than the claimed DT dies, do not trust any DT claims. So I know I’ve been pushing Trotske as the lynch, but for the same reasons there’s something far more damning: Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 09:05 VisceraEyes wrote:The illustrious Ace is here with us, however..showing us scrubs how it's done. d1 PL for the guy who wrote the book (thread) on how to be scum anyone? He cannot possibly have thought Ace was playing so poorly as scum. He was tunneling from the start for Ace’s mislynch. Trotske’s mistake is a possible noob mistake, VE’s was not. Keep in mind that Mafia is highly unlikely to bus teammates at mylo. Town also cannot afford to be misled by Mafia, even one of you. VE or Trotske are my best bets, with something like 80% VE and 20% Trotske.
this is an interesting point about VE, if you go over his posts a lot of them are what ver says are classic mafia small talk type posts.
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thats an odd choice for a kill. we dont need to worry about setup palmar.
its 4 town 3 scum left that is all that matters.
trotske is mafia
##Vote trotske.
On July 28 2011 07:10 Palmar wrote:
yep, we have no dt.
Has anyone gotten roleblocked at any point in the game?
no and who's we?
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On July 28 2011 07:12 redFF wrote:thats an odd choice for a kill. we dont need to worry about setup palmar. its 4 town 3 scum left that is all that matters. trotske is mafia ##Vote trotske. Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 07:10 Palmar wrote:
yep, we have no dt.
Has anyone gotten roleblocked at any point in the game? no and who's we?
5 town and 3 mafia
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This is the third time redff has called me scum and hasn't given any proof : /.
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On July 27 2011 01:09 Trotske wrote:
My opinion of Ace is he is playing pretty dumb for town or scum so I think there are better people to lynch.
On July 27 2011 04:02 Trotske wrote:
Alright Here is my thought process, 50% of me thinks Aces posts are him being a lazy town in a small game, the other 50% thinks he is scum being lazy in a small game. either way I think I would rather have him lynched than a no lynch so.
## unvote
##vote Ace
at least this way we get some more info instead of just letting mafia get a free day.
On July 27 2011 07:05 Trotske wrote:
OH look Ace is town what a shocker VE
lol
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##Vote: Trotske
One down. Two to go.
Care to throw that gif up on here red?
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On July 28 2011 07:23 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 01:09 Trotske wrote:
My opinion of Ace is he is playing pretty dumb for town or scum so I think there are better people to lynch. Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 04:02 Trotske wrote:
Alright Here is my thought process, 50% of me thinks Aces posts are him being a lazy town in a small game, the other 50% thinks he is scum being lazy in a small game. either way I think I would rather have him lynched than a no lynch so.
## unvote
##vote Ace
at least this way we get some more info instead of just letting mafia get a free day. lol
What does this show besides after a day of arguing with VE I decided I would rather have ace lynch than a no lynch so at least that way we get some more info.
before you guys vote for me go back and read those pages in the thread.
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I've read the thread several times...you're the best candidate today. Your refusal to commit to any stance and your smugness at Ace's flip was damning enough (for me.)
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It wasn't smugness bro I was a little upset that you had persuaded me. I'm not the best candidate today you or redFF are in my mind.
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Well, feel free to deposit your vote on one of those two potential lynch candidates and let's get this party started. I admit to the fact that I should be under scrutiny - I've led BOTH of the lynches that turned up green. But I'll gladly answer to any suspicions you have - I'm town and have nothing to hide.
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Alright im going to go do some things when I get back I will post what I think is the case against VE
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On July 28 2011 07:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Vote: Trotske
One down. Two to go.
Care to throw that gif up on here red?
The gif you guys were talking about in your quicktopic?
##vote VisceraEyes
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Those guys have been setting up that trotske lynch since yesterday
##Vote VisceraEyes
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Of course...because suspicion isn't allowed to carry over from day to day right Palmar? Good to see you back on the side you do best on.
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On July 27 2011 07:48 Palmar wrote:
Right, voting for you tomorrow Trotske.
Like it matters, but...
##Unvote: Trotske
##Vote: Palmar
Red, I suggest you do the same if you're town. Palmar has just showed his true colors. He was all about an Ace lynch yesterday, and was ALSO all about a Trotske lynch today...yet that's the reason he votes for me. Good to know one's viewpoint changes with the wind direction.
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Yes.
Re-read the thread, trotske is more likely to be a newbie than actually scum, I'm pretty sure you're just going for an easy lynch, you knew all along that I was going to support an Ace lynch cause I was mad at him for that shitty day 1 analysis.
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It's funny that you say that...because I just went back and reread his 'shitty d1 analysis'.
Pretty intriguing stuff. Sucks that I missed it because I was sure he was scum. Live and learn.
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i actually do think scum is probably palmar/trotske/one of the random lurkers. i've been wrong before tho. I'd like trotske to point out how ive been scummy tho that will be interesting.
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In my opinion, Palmar and someone else active are scum and a lurker is scum. Trotske isn't looking good, but the fact that Palmar was trying to get him lynched early d2 speaks to me that he's misguided townie. Looking at Palmar's posts now for evidence.
We're in a precarious position here...because if we lynch Palmar and he's scum, it's going to be hard to find the other scum because I led the first two lynches, not scum...so technically I'm the most suspicious. Unfortunately, I'm also town...so Palmar's partner is someone hopping on bandwagons, safe from scrutiny.
I also want to point out another possibility, in the spirit of transparency. I could be way off on Palmar AND Trotske...scum could be 3 random lurkers just as easily. Especially since the thread is relatively active and only townie deaths. I'm only so suspicious of Palmar right now based on the post I just quoted...he seemed to agree with me on the Trotske tip until appruds flipped...which was someone else Palmar suspected, btw. And suddenly I'm the most scummy.
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Also, until I have an actual case and not 'Nuh uh!!'
##Unvote: Palmar
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I was so sure it was you and Palmar too. Hmm.
This requires another re-read.
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Reread with this in mind:
Anything I've said I've said in the spirit of helping town find scum. As far as I can see from Palmar's posts, everything he's said has been in defense of himself or his viewpoints...I've said everything in the spirit of winning the game for town. Obviously my reads are off, but I honestly believed Dragon AND Ace were scum...and that should be clear from my posts. Can you say the same about Palmar and his posts? Can you really tell where he stands on any lynch until the post that contains his vote?
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That is an interesting point VE I shall re read !
in the morning im going to bed.
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On July 28 2011 10:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
In my opinion, Palmar and someone else active are scum and a lurker is scum. Trotske isn't looking good, but the fact that Palmar was trying to get him lynched early d2 speaks to me that he's misguided townie. Looking at Palmar's posts now for evidence.
We're in a precarious position here...because if we lynch Palmar and he's scum, it's going to be hard to find the other scum because I led the first two lynches, not scum...so technically I'm the most suspicious. Unfortunately, I'm also town...so Palmar's partner is someone hopping on bandwagons, safe from scrutiny.
I also want to point out another possibility, in the spirit of transparency. I could be way off on Palmar AND Trotske...scum could be 3 random lurkers just as easily. Especially since the thread is relatively active and only townie deaths. I'm only so suspicious of Palmar right now based on the post I just quoted...he seemed to agree with me on the Trotske tip until appruds flipped...which was someone else Palmar suspected, btw. And suddenly I'm the most scummy.
Right, you're factually wrong, you're trying to turn the wagon around because we called you out on the bullshit. Yes trotske looks bad, but I realized some people had been subtly pushing him for a while.
Let's break down your text, because I KNOW you're pretty good when you're town, you actually read the thread and you get your facts straight, this time around you're either painfully ignorant or you're scum.
First lie:
Trotske isn't looking good, but the fact that Palmar was trying to get him lynched early d2 speaks to me that he's misguided townie
I never even mentioned trotske on day 2. On night 2 I said that I'd be voting for him tomorrow based on him trying to keep DTs hiding, which was retarded, but it's not incriminating so I changed my mind.
Second lie:
he seemed to agree with me on the Trotske tip until appruds flipped...which was someone else Palmar suspected, btw
Only reason I mentioned trotske is his DT shenanigans, and I never pointed a finger at aprudds, if your memory wasn't so bad you'd know I was pushing an alternative lynch to him, although that turned out to be town too.
So, I was slightly suspicious towards you, decided to check how you'd react to some pressure, and you didn't disappoint.
your combination of "NO YOU ARE SCUM" and random lying hasn't exactly helped me get off your case.
So my vote is staying where it is.
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you can press that filter button at the top right to read all my posts again, you'll see that both those statements made by VE are flat out lies.
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On July 28 2011 09:22 redFF wrote:
i actually do think scum is probably palmar/trotske/one of the random lurkers. i've been wrong before tho. I'd like trotske to point out how ive been scummy tho that will be interesting.
The main thing is you havn't posted a legit original thought this whole thread and half your posts are one liners with no thought behind them. And you have been tunneling the shit out of townies the whole game.
I will post more detailed posts when I get home.
I really want to hear from people like Sevryn, Fortune (who hasn't been seen in forever), and Pyo.
The main problem I feel in this game has been so little activity from half the pople in the game so we have like no little info but we are in a shitty enough position that mafia can be inactive and we can't mkae a case against them.
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On July 29 2011 00:57 Trotske wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 09:22 redFF wrote:
i actually do think scum is probably palmar/trotske/one of the random lurkers. i've been wrong before tho. I'd like trotske to point out how ive been scummy tho that will be interesting. The main thing is you havn't posted a legit original thought this whole thread and half your posts are one liners with no thought behind them. And you have been tunneling the shit out of townies the whole game. I will post more detailed posts when I get home. I really want to hear from people like Sevryn, Fortune (who hasn't been seen in forever), and Pyo. The main problem I feel in this game has been so little activity from half the pople in the game so we have like no little info but we are in a shitty enough position that mafia can be inactive and we can't mkae a case against them.
I've been following along, but I'm not quite sure what to do. I was trying to come up with some heroic move like I pulled in SNMMIV to try to trick/trap mafia into slipping, but they haven't really given us/me anything to work with (in SNMMIV we had a blue claim and a roleblock claim by mafia, but here we've got nothing).
I didn't like either lynch so far, but the rationale behind each one wasn't quite the same the. RD was bandwagoned against and was sort of trapped into acting scummy by ridiculous pressure, while Ace was lynched because he basically gave up and stopped caring. Because of this I highly doubt that both were scum-driven so I doubt that the guy pushing both (VE) is scum, despite the fact that he's appeared the most scummy so far. Additionally, appruds dying has sort of eliminated my biggest scum suspect so I'm a little lost.
So what to do? Since there have been no roleblock claims, I'm going to assume that we either have a medic or a DT, but not both. We're in mylo if we have a DT and can only mislynch if the medic gets incredibly lucky with his protect (so basically mylo). So how about we simply no lynch today? This would give a potential DT an extra chance for investigation and while eliminating another townie due to night kill, would make our chances to lynch scum tomorrow a tiny bit higher. And overall, out situation/chance to win wouldn't really change. I like this option infinitely better than risking that the 3 mafia would basically control the voting. Thoughts?
##Vote: No Lynch
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What the hell is this. There is no DT and if there was, he missed his chance to be at all useful to Town. Only way you can trust him is if he claims, leaves his investigations, and also dies.
Everyone's inactive as hell so waiting a day doesn't provide anything. If VE is scum, Pyo is probably his buddy.
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On July 29 2011 02:32 Curu wrote:
What the hell is this. There is no DT and if there was, he missed his chance to be at all useful to Town. Only way you can trust him is if he claims, leaves his investigations, and also dies.
Everyone's inactive as hell so waiting a day doesn't provide anything. If VE is scum, Pyo is probably his buddy.
what?
either your not thinking or you are scum
one more day means mafia gets to hit someone which will tell us more than we have now. I was thinking about a no lynch earlier and I think it might be the best option.
anyone have a good argument against it?
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There is no reason to trust any DT that comes forward.
What would you do if someone came in and said "look guys, I checked redFF and he's mafia"
Would you hang him?
DTs are now useless unless they breadcrumbed their role.
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we don't have a good case vs anyone that I know of and until someone makes a good case I think we should go for a no lynch.
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I don't understand why blue roles matter at all now unless we have a medic.
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That's exactly what we're saying.
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sure but curu also said that waiting a day doesn't give us anything and it does.... it gives us more info about who is left aka who mafia didn't kill.
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Do you honestly think Mafia is going to kill someone who is a lynch candidate right now? No, they'll just kill someone random who wasn't in the spotlight anyways.
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doesn't matter it still gives us more info if they kill a lurker then that's one not mafia person we have to worry about. I don't understand why a townie would be against a no lynch with the current state of this thread .
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tomorrow all it takes is one single townie voting wrong, and the mafia team can just last minute change their votes and win.
At least it takes two wrong townie votes today.
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On July 29 2011 06:03 Palmar wrote:
tomorrow all it takes is one single townie voting wrong, and the mafia team can just last minute change their votes and win.
At least it takes two wrong townie votes today.
Alright that is a good point.
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On July 29 2011 06:51 Trotske wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 06:03 Palmar wrote:
tomorrow all it takes is one single townie voting wrong, and the mafia team can just last minute change their votes and win.
At least it takes two wrong townie votes today. Alright that is a good point.
Yeah, that is a good point. I hadn't thought of that. So then who do we vote for? I'm not convinced that VE is scum. Convince me otherwise.
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I can't convince you he's scum, you already know that.
The people I'm trying to convince are the rest of town.
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On July 22 2011 10:09 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 08:36 VisceraEyes wrote:Hi town! I'm VisceraEyes! Some of you I might know me from the several games I've lost for my team in the past. This game I'm going to turn that around. Some requests: If you're fluent in BB formatting, PLEASE use spoilers and quotes. Text walls are easier to swallow when they're broken up. If you're not, please keep your thoughts concise and to the point. I'd like to try and keep the discussion focused this game. Obviously with such varied personalities, this is likely to be difficult. If we all do our part to keep the thread nice, we may even get to keep the All button! ^^ Probably my most sincere hope is that we avoid some of the mud-slinging and nonsense that tends to go with these games. Obviously some of us are going to get frustrated, but if we all try and primarily attack arguments, not people, I think the game will go a lot smoother. Nice contribution bro, I think you're legit town.
Palmar's first act is to buddy me, attempting to appear pro-town by agreeing with my post, but adding nothing.
On July 22 2011 10:31 Palmar wrote:
redFF is just saying that because he got lynched day 1 as scum in bc's aa for randomly trying to protect a failure of a town.
Here's a tip for mafia, when townies are about to die, just let them die.
Here's Palmar giving his team some sound advice.
On July 22 2011 10:32 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 10:31 VisceraEyes wrote:Hmmmmm...ACE with the first scummy post. Go figure. Ace, what possible information could be gleaned from deciding who to lynch based on randomness (if that's what you're proposing?) I'm relatively new, so forgive if this is something obvious that I just haven't picked up yet... It's a great idea. Although, killing the third poster after the daypost has a far higher success-rate.
I took this post as a joke at first, but upon rereading, it looks more like he's actually agreeing with Ace here...which is odd for reasons you'll see in a moment.
On July 22 2011 18:34 Palmar wrote:
lol, I can see why people say you're good Ace, you somehow convinced half the thread that a random lynch on day 1 is a good idea?
Like, I've played 8 mafia games, 5 of them we've lynched scum or 3rd party on day 1. That's far higher than 25%.
Is this just some clever ploy to start a discussion or try to figure out who is going to be the scummy white knight who trashes your plan?
btw, Killing ace day1 is stupid, just lynch him day 2 because the mafia will shoot him if he's not part of their team.
Okay, so he agreed with Ace before anyone else commented, but now that I myself and Jacinto have expressed disinterest in the idea, (and now that non-scum is on the lynch docket...hint hint) suddenly Palmar thinks RL is awful.
On July 22 2011 18:48 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 09:58 redFF wrote:On July 22 2011 09:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
*makes mud-pies* :D
And
##Vote: redFF
100% of your posts are spam so far. Keep it up my friend. I got....well, I just got the one vote...but I got a lot of scowls and at least 10 fingers to point at you sir! Most people haven't even posted at all yet... As for what to do now for the newbies, just post and wait for someone to slip up/look scummy. Also please do not lie, there have been a bunch of games recently where bad townies have lied and screwed over town, so don't lie! LAL is a very extreme policy but it makes sense. I'm not suggesting LAL, but if someone lies then I will personally look at them carefully and trust them a good deal less. We have a lot of new players in this game so i encourage more experienced players to remember that there is a difference between DUMBand SCUM. Too often day 1 lynches end up with some townie getting lynched for trivial reasons when people dont realise the townie is just bad! Holy shit redFF, thanks for giving advice on how to play. Here is a tip: LAL doesn't work unless you actually maintain the illusion that you'll follow through with it. But of course, you want to have an out if at some point someone actually fucks up, so you leave a hole in your policies for bad townies, something you're most certainly going to try and convince us of when one of your scumbuddies gets under pressure Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:16 redFF wrote:
I've never actually seen or heard of random lynching before, well most day 1 lynches are random but outright saying they are and randomly deciding who is lynched is something i've never seen before, can you link me to a game where a random lynch has been used? It seems pretty dumb to me, because you could hit an active pro-town player just as likely as you could hit a lurking mafia. Why don't you just come flat out and say the plan is terrible? We all know it's not good, the problem is identifying which is more scummy, the idiots supporting the plan or the white knights fighting against it.But I think you're just posting random shit to make yourself look good. #vote redFF
What I'm seeing here is an attempt to discredit redFF by not only condemning his play but voting for him based on it. Note that he's doing what Ace called him out for earlier in the game: speaking for town (see the bolded bit.) RedFF was giving his opinion on the topic at hand, and Palmar jumps his shit about A) a policy that wasn't being discussed and B) giving his opinion on RL. But because he's staying focused on the discussion at-hand, Palmar votes for him. Suspicious?
I also find the bolded suspicious because he specifically identifies who he's going to find suspicious later in the day (very carefully NOT the person who offered up RL as an option and has been defending it, because they're voting for him and THAT could be construed as OMGUS amirite? No, he goes after Dragon later doesn't he? Someone who I'm tunneling and that he's sure I'll still be after later...and then me today)...food for thought.
On July 22 2011 21:26 Palmar wrote:
your mother.
But it's still interesting.
Ace proposes terrible plan, Jacinto and VE don't like it, DragonReborn actually likes it. Like.. would scum actually take the chance? The lynch isn't really 25% chance because the mafia can co-ordinate their votes, if they so please, so I think what DragonReborn did was stupid, but probably not scummy.
Here's a post where he attempts to backpedal, making himself look better (hopefully) to Ace and Dragon should the wagon swing to someone else.
On July 22 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 23:15 DragonReborn422 wrote:On July 22 2011 21:26 Palmar wrote:
your mother.
But it's still interesting.
Ace proposes terrible plan, Jacinto and VE don't like it, DragonReborn actually likes it. Like.. would scum actually take the chance? The lynch isn't really 25% chance because the mafia can co-ordinate their votes, if they so please, so I think what DragonReborn did was stupid, but probably not scummy. what exactly did i do that is stupid oh god of mafia? You agreed with ace's plan. From town perspective it doesn't make any sense, as judging by the sample of games I've played town has more like 50%+ chance of hitting mafia on day one, so if you're town, you should by logic never agree to this plan. But I don't think you'd out yourself as mafia like that... early, so I'm inclined to believe it's bad judgement. redFF however responded in the scummiest way possible to Ace's plan, he was indecisive, tried to appear interested in the plan by asking further questions, when just thinking about the problem would lead you to understand why it's bad. That's why I'm voting for redFF, I think it's pretty obvious that he was avoiding taking a firm stance on it. Don't forget a random lynch is really the worst scenario for town (aside from the fact mafia can stack), and the entire point of the mafia game, is to increase that chance by analysis and logic. So yeah, read red's posts, realize that they don't make sense, given his experience as a player.
Moar attax redFF. This time however, instead of addressing town he's specifically addressing Dragon in his post...saying that 'you're not as scummy as this guy, vote with ME'
On July 23 2011 00:08 Palmar wrote:How the fuck have you played 100 games? have you been playing for years? Anyway Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:03 DragonReborn422 wrote:On July 22 2011 11:59 Trotske wrote:On July 22 2011 11:54 DragonReborn422 wrote:On July 22 2011 11:49 Trotske wrote:On July 22 2011 11:43 DragonReborn422 wrote:
You're missing the point of my argument Viscera. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. I found it strange that you protest it making you look scummy. That is all. Perhaps our chances of hitting the mafia is more than 25% perhaps not. Again, I don't care a lick about the lynch. I'm pointing out that you are trying to helpful to the inexperienced whereas you're actually not. Could you point out the flaws in his reasoning? It seems to me that your posts have been more useless than his by bashing what he has to say and not supporting it at all other than saying "It has worked before" and not giving and evidence. I haven't bashed anyone. What are you talking about? His reasoning is that the town can do better than a random lynch on day 1 and we should not random lynch. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. Maybe THIS town CAN do better than a random lynch on day1. It could also DO worse than a random lynch on day1. I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHICH. I am pointing out that he appears helpful by saying that oh yea we can analayze and talk and discuss and we have a better chance of finding a mafia on day1. I think this looks pretty cool to the casual observer as yea...he sounds intelligent and useful...whereas in reality....we really don't know how good this town is. If we have a terrible town maybe we should just keeping randoming!! How can the town do worse than a RL day1. I'm not sure if that's a serious question. But I'll bite. We can be led down the wrong path by inexperienced townspeople or experienced mafia players or the combination of both and easily have wagons on only townspeople. With the mafia members knowing whos who, they have an advantage on day 1 to control the wagons more. This makes it look like you're perfectly fine with RL. That's a terrible idea and you should know it. And yes, I call out anyone who acts stupidly for acting stupidly.
Suddenly it's clear from Dragon's posts that he doesn't trust Palmar and that he's going to vote for someone other than Palmar's Pick. Enter this post. This is the beginning of the end of Dragon. Palmar picks up on Dragon's arrogance and exploits it - attacking his playstyle and spamming the thread. I'm guilty of the same at this point, but I thought Dragon was scum. Palmar was sure redFF was scum at this point, and had no reason to enflame the situation.
On July 23 2011 00:14 Palmar wrote:
haha live games, sure I have 100 games on epicmafia... herpderpherpderp
Anyway, redFF, tell me your thoughts.
Also, pyo, he needs to be shot in the face, if we default to a policy lynch, Pyo is a great one, as he refuses to commit on day 1 when he's "town". So he just self-votes or something.
Throws out random meta to make people suspicious of Pyo based on nothing. Keep reading.
On July 23 2011 00:17 Palmar wrote:
interesting, unwarranted self-importance.
Maybe that Jac guy was on to something.
"Hmmm..no one is sheeping onto redFF...Plan B."
On July 23 2011 01:37 Palmar wrote:
So, in 100 games of playing you have learned how to flaunt your 100 games of playing, and criticizing people who make logical calls?
Nice.
Wait for it....
On July 23 2011 01:49 Palmar wrote:
thanks DragonReborn422
##Unvote redFF
##Vote DragonReborn422
Here it is - the switch. RedFF came on and defended himself, and almost anyone else who's active is voting for Dragon...a perfectly logical scum-switch.
On July 23 2011 02:20 Palmar wrote:
yeah pyo, I would expect you to like random lynching, as you think voting for yourself is a good idea on day one.
So, how about it, we lynch you instead?
That list was completely uncalled for, making a list like that where he calls everyone town is just his way of trying to make friends as scum.
Why the fuck would you share your town reads as town? I don't really give a shit who he thinks is town, I want to know who he thinks is scum.
Like, I don't even think this is a questionable lynch, that shitty list just screams that he wants to contribute, make friends, but not commit to anything.
Here's some more bringing Pyo meta into this game and threatening to make something of it...if he doesn't get on-board the DR lynch. For shame, Palmar.
On July 23 2011 02:47 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 00:08 Palmar wrote:How the fuck have you played 100 games? have you been playing for years? Anyway On July 22 2011 12:03 DragonReborn422 wrote:On July 22 2011 11:59 Trotske wrote:On July 22 2011 11:54 DragonReborn422 wrote:On July 22 2011 11:49 Trotske wrote:On July 22 2011 11:43 DragonReborn422 wrote:
You're missing the point of my argument Viscera. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. I found it strange that you protest it making you look scummy. That is all. Perhaps our chances of hitting the mafia is more than 25% perhaps not. Again, I don't care a lick about the lynch. I'm pointing out that you are trying to helpful to the inexperienced whereas you're actually not. Could you point out the flaws in his reasoning? It seems to me that your posts have been more useless than his by bashing what he has to say and not supporting it at all other than saying "It has worked before" and not giving and evidence. I haven't bashed anyone. What are you talking about? His reasoning is that the town can do better than a random lynch on day 1 and we should not random lynch. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. Maybe THIS town CAN do better than a random lynch on day1. It could also DO worse than a random lynch on day1. I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHICH. I am pointing out that he appears helpful by saying that oh yea we can analayze and talk and discuss and we have a better chance of finding a mafia on day1. I think this looks pretty cool to the casual observer as yea...he sounds intelligent and useful...whereas in reality....we really don't know how good this town is. If we have a terrible town maybe we should just keeping randoming!! How can the town do worse than a RL day1. I'm not sure if that's a serious question. But I'll bite. We can be led down the wrong path by inexperienced townspeople or experienced mafia players or the combination of both and easily have wagons on only townspeople. With the mafia members knowing whos who, they have an advantage on day 1 to control the wagons more. This makes it look like you're perfectly fine with RL. That's a terrible idea and you should know it. And yes, I call out anyone who acts stupidly for acting stupidly. ##vote PalmarGuys, listen up. This is such a ridiculous post, part of many that Palmar has made that should be looked at seriously. Hold your biases for a second, stop and re-read the thread from the start of the game. You'll notice Palmar has been trying to undermine myself and DR22 on this Random Lynch issue. Not only did he put words in our mouths to make up stuff that wasn't said but he's even taking it a step further and now acting like "The Town" has decided Random Lynching is bad, and is thus Scummy if you support it. Since when did we ever decide that Random Lynching is a Scum move?. We never did. Even worse, how could he take that stance (deciding that "The Town" has made RL scummy) when he posted this: Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 18:34 Palmar wrote:
lol, I can see why people say you're good Ace, you somehow convinced half the thread that a random lynch on day 1 is a good idea?
How is it that I could have convinced half the thread that a Random Lynch is a good idea, but within the same day you also have stated that the Town has decided otherwise? Like here: Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:On July 22 2011 23:15 DragonReborn422 wrote:On July 22 2011 21:26 Palmar wrote:
your mother.
But it's still interesting.
Ace proposes terrible plan, Jacinto and VE don't like it, DragonReborn actually likes it. Like.. would scum actually take the chance? The lynch isn't really 25% chance because the mafia can co-ordinate their votes, if they so please, so I think what DragonReborn did was stupid, but probably not scummy. what exactly did i do that is stupid oh god of mafia? You agreed with ace's plan. From town perspective it doesn't make any sense, as judging by the sample of games I've played town has more like 50%+ chance of hitting mafia on day one, so if you're town, you should by logic never agree to this plan. Not only is he speaking for the Town, but now he is throwing out some falsities. The town doesn't have a "more than 50% chance" of hitting Mafia on Day 1 in any game of Mafia unless the game is broken. This is such an utterly stupid and absurd statement I don't know how anyone who has ever played a game of Mafia hasn't called him out on it. This quoted post is also another in a long line of Palmar misrepresenting DR's position. As DR asked him: Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 23:57 DragonReborn422 wrote:
@Palmar
I've agreed to Ace's plan. Where? Please show me a post that DIRECTLY states we should random lynch. To which Palmar has no response. The same as he can't list who I've convinced to RL. This is typical newbie Scum play. Like I said, just re-read the thread from scratch. There is no way that someone that is BLINDLY tunneling, not even reading other player's posts and purposely misrepresenting their position is likely Town. That's just so many blatant bad moves that he should be lynched. So once again, ## vote Palmar.
Words of the (confirmed town) dead. Take heed. I wish I had.
On July 23 2011 03:15 Palmar wrote:Ace's argument is basically revolved around this sentence. Show nested quote +From town perspective it doesn't make any sense, as judging by the sample of games I've played town has more like 50%+ chance of hitting mafia on day one, so if you're town, you should by logic never agree to this plan. This is brilliant, from this sentence, Ace pulls two things that simply aren't true. point a) he says I claim to speak for town. This is incorrect, I say this in a general way "Looking at any given mafia game from the perspective of the town players" would've been more accurate, but I assumed that people wouldn't try to twist things that aren't there. and point b) he says that I'm throwing around false facts, again, just not true. If people actually bother to read the sentence, you can see I specifically say "and judging by the 8 games that I have played". Any statistician will tell you the sample size is too small to really mean anything, but it's all I have, so I throw it out there. Feel free to provide more statistics. So, Ace is being guilty of exactly the thing that he has accused me of, namely putting words in people's mouth. Sure, I felt after initially reading the thread that there was more support for the RL plan than there actually was. And I wrote the post on DR without actually checking if he had explicitly suggested we RL, while in truth he had simply said he'd be fine with it. Now, that this is out of the way, I really want people to take a look at the list that DR posted, it really, really is something that strikes me as very odd. And yes town, this is Ace leading a bad lynch, I'm not still sure if it's because he is scum and this is the best thing he could come up with, or if it's because he simply didn't read/understand my posts.
Interestingly, he says that Ace is leading a bad lynch...but Ace wasn't interested enough in coddling us to actually lead us anywhere, so all he was doing was saying who HE'D lynch if he WERE actually leading town. Palmar however, Palmar (tries) leads town wherever he goes. That's just kinda his style. Please note that in his defense, he specifically calls for people to look at DR, the most town defense he can come up with (offering up an alternative instead of just defending himself).
On July 23 2011 03:36 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:22 DragonReborn422 wrote:
What is odd about my list? Are you not accustomed to lists or do you disagree with my thoughts on the players? Please expand. How many people are we going to be able to lynch tonight? Yeah, that's right 1. Now, you say you have a heavy mafia lean on VisceraEyes, so why don't you, instead of writing a pretty bland and non-commital list, instead try build a case that might get VisceraEyes lynched? You seem perfectly happy with throwing around weak accusations and then just wobbling along in the thread. That's great, if you're scum, as you don't really have to commit to anything. And as an additional bonus, you make friends! You're basically using the oldest trick in the scumbook, if you tell someone he's town, he's likely to think you're town in turn. You then cast a vote on Trotske, fair enough, as he just proved that the's actively lurking the thread, but where is the follow-up? Why aren't you pushing him to the gallows? Either you think people are scum, or you don't. There's nothing wrong with being wrong, there's everything wrong with not trying. Thing is, I have a feeling you want to stay on the good side of as many people as possible, I think that's because you're scum.
This post rubbed me the wrong way for 1 very important reason. Earlier he called DR scummy because of the list, but for a different reason. THEN it was about how the list included Town reads (and why the FUCK would you post your town reads?)...in this post, his main problem is the number of suspects guy has. Which is it Palmar ? Do you want to hear about his town reads or do you want to hear about his scum reads? He's trying to appeal to ALL kinds of Dragon-haters at this point, making it clear that he's made his choice on who he wants to lynch.
On July 23 2011 06:27 Palmar wrote:
I'm most definitely not a lazy town, so if that's your verdict you might as well vote for me. Maybe this is your normal scumplay. Carefully making sure not to vote straight against the person accusing you, but instead discrediting them by dismissing the arguments as lazy/bad. On top of that somehow praising yourself as some vet who should be listened to. Perhaps it's time you put some of those valuable skills to use and you scumhunt, instead of voting for the first lurker that shows his face.
You haven't pushed your ideas at all.
Moar discreditz DR. Now he's scum because he's non-committal and isn't pushing his ideas.
Also interesting to note is that he disappears prior to this until DRAGON calls him out.
Palmar almost disappears completely until after the flip after another fluffy post. Maybe he thinks that everyone else is doing a marvelous job of looking scummy FOR him...who knows.
##Vote: Palmar
I'm still working on a case...d2 analysis incoming.
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Let me know if anyone is actually going to read that case or wants explanation of any of my actions.
I don't talk with mafia so I'm not replying directly to VisceraEyes.
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On July 29 2011 23:51 Palmar wrote:
Let me know if anyone is actually going to read that case or wants explanation of any of my actions.
I don't talk with mafia so I'm not replying directly to VisceraEyes.
For the record, Palmar is not only refusing to defend himself, but advocating not reading something in the thread. <3
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On July 29 2011 23:56 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 23:51 Palmar wrote:
Let me know if anyone is actually going to read that case or wants explanation of any of my actions.
I don't talk with mafia so I'm not replying directly to VisceraEyes. For the record, Palmar is not only refusing to defend himself, but advocating not reading something in the thread. <3
There is no reason to read things when you're trying to make up stuff that's untrue.
Anyone should be able to deduce that my first post of "You're legit town bro" was sarcasm. And same with my first reply to Ace's idea. You just choose to ignore that because you're trying to bend my actions into something you can possibly paint as anti-town.
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On July 29 2011 23:51 Palmar wrote:
Let me know if anyone is actually going to read that case or wants explanation of any of my actions.
I don't talk with mafia so I'm not replying directly to VisceraEyes.
did you take that post as a personal attack or something? holy shit bro if your interested in defending yourself don't become indifferent like Ace....
he just made your whole post history look like scum and I think its the best case vs anyone we have and you don't care enough to defend yourself?
if you were town wouldn't you defend yourself to protect a mislynch?
##vote Palmer
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On July 29 2011 23:59 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 23:56 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 29 2011 23:51 Palmar wrote:
Let me know if anyone is actually going to read that case or wants explanation of any of my actions.
I don't talk with mafia so I'm not replying directly to VisceraEyes. For the record, Palmar is not only refusing to defend himself, but advocating not reading something in the thread. <3 There is no reason to read things when you're trying to make up stuff that's untrue. Anyone should be able to deduce that my first post of "You're legit town bro" was sarcasm. And same with my first reply to Ace's idea. You just choose to ignore that because you're trying to bend my actions into something you can possibly paint as anti-town.
there we go that's a start, While its true that does look like sarcasm the rest of his posts makes some good points care to address those?
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For what it's worth Palmar, I wasn't interested in 'painting' anything anti-town. It's why I removed my vote from you before I made my case...because I didn't want to read through your shit with the idea that you're scum already in my mind. Nice appeal-to-emotion though..it's duly noted and WILL go on your permanent record.
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On July 30 2011 00:01 Trotske wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 23:59 Palmar wrote:On July 29 2011 23:56 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 29 2011 23:51 Palmar wrote:
Let me know if anyone is actually going to read that case or wants explanation of any of my actions.
I don't talk with mafia so I'm not replying directly to VisceraEyes. For the record, Palmar is not only refusing to defend himself, but advocating not reading something in the thread. <3 There is no reason to read things when you're trying to make up stuff that's untrue. Anyone should be able to deduce that my first post of "You're legit town bro" was sarcasm. And same with my first reply to Ace's idea. You just choose to ignore that because you're trying to bend my actions into something you can possibly paint as anti-town. there we go that's a start, While its true that does look like sarcasm the rest of his posts makes some good points care to address those?
Where are the good points. Everything VE says is true, but it's just not... anti-town.
I can pull out more beautiful things.
He accuses me of "Giving my team ideas"... which is just... wtf?
That post was made in reference to redFF getting lynched day 1 as scum in another game. Even if this was a genuine advice, why would I post it in the thread? but it's obviously a joke.
Then he accuses me of changing my mind, again, how do I defend myself to that?
1. I accuse redFF a bit
2. DR422 posts a scummy list
3. I go after DR422
somehow VisceraEyes twists this into being anti-town or scummy. Like I fully admit, I changed my mind? What do you want me to say? DR422 was not only playing in a very weird way, but he was also shitting up the thread and causing bad atmosphere. Accusing me of changing my mind is like me accusing VisceraEyes of being named after a Mars Volta tune... It's true, but it says nothing about his alignment.
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Well, but I can accuse you of telling half-truth because I'm named after a FUCKING BOSS Mars Volta tune...but I digress.....
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More stuff, he accuses me of discrediting DR422... why would I NOT discredit players I think are scum?
And then he accuses me of being inconsistent with the reasons I'm suspicious of DR422, again, if you weren't fabricating this whole thing you would've stopped and realized that this list was bad in more than one way. I don't think I need to re-hash why that was, feel free to read my posts in VE's analysis.
Like, this analysis is still very good for town.
Go read it, look at what he's saying, look how he has managed to twist and turn every single thing that really is honest and logical into something scummy. This is mafia trying to finish the game today, he gave himself away when he started trying to use obvious jokes as scumtells.
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So here's where town is at:
I've posted analysis of Palmar outlining why he's scum.
Palmar is responding only by attacking the analysis...He's not going back and doing an analysis of MY posts, because he knows my posts have NOT been scummy and ARE indicative of my alignment. So he's letting ME do the legwork, analyze his play, and attack everything I bring to the table rather than try and find reasons why I'M scummy.
One of our styles is conducive to town. One of our styles is more helpful for mafia. I'm not going to tell you which is which.
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Mafia doesn't give themselves away every single post. I can read 95% of your posts and I'd think you were town still. It's the little slips and missteps that identify scum from town. It's the 5% that doesn't make sense.
I noted right back on day 1 that you seemed very enthusiastic about my sarcastic comment that I thought you were town, but I did not figure out you were scum because you agreed with my own scumreads. There are three main points in your play that gave you away.
1. Your overenthusiastic attitude back on day 1, you made like 5 posts with no content but just to give general advice and throwaway comments on how to play nice. This is great for scum because it looks like contribution but it isn't.
2. Your subtle style of pushing for Trotsky since day 2, and then immediately voting him as day 3 began. You thought you had enough support for the lynch but you didn't. You basically planned day 3 lynch before Ace even flipped.
On July 26 2011 08:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
K thx Trotske. When I'm done trying to get Ace lynched, you're next. Don't worry.
3. When you realized that there wasn't going to be a quiet town willing to go through with your plan and lynching trotske, you turn around and look for the next target. Now it's time to go lynch Palmar, so you write a phony analysis, based on twisting my jokes and normal posts into something scummy.
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It's actually a fortunate turn of events that you've decided that your chances of lynching town are better with me than trotske, because I'm pretty confident in my abilities to defend myself.
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So defend yourself and stop flopping about. Trotske was on my radar because of his ridiculous posting and his attitude about Ace's flip. The fact that he considered him 'obvTown' made me VERY suspicious, and I was surprised it didn't make YOU more suspicious. It wasn't until I considered the possibility that you were scum that it made any sense to me.
And for the record, I'm not trying to lynch town as you repeatedly claim...I'm trying to find scum...and I'm pretty sure I have (this time... )
If you're town, this is NOT a fortunate turn because we're Town on Town right now, and scum are able to just sit back and enjoy the fallout. If you're town, I wish you'd defend yourself so I can look elsewhere - but the more you just insist that I'm scum (hint: I'm not), the more I KNOW you're pushing a mislynch.
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I am defending myself, if I get lynched this game is over, barring a super medic save.
But the thing is, you aren't stupid VisceraEyes, so the only possible reason you'd do what you're doing is that you're mafia. You don't actually believe that using jokes in an analysis is valid, and you don't actually believe that changing my mind is scummy.
You're just trying to make it look that way.
I'd much rather answer questions from people I think are actually town, as I'm not trying to convince YOU that you're scum, I'm trying to convince TOWN that you're scum.
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Oh, and for the record:
On July 29 2011 23:51 Palmar wrote:
Let me know if anyone is actually going to read that case or wants explanation of any of my actions.
I don't talk with mafia so I'm not replying directly to VisceraEyes.
Palmar doesn't speak with 'scum'...but after Trotske votes for him his tune changes and starts to actually defend himself (weakly), even responding directly to me (lol). Way to stick with your convictions bro. Any other policies you care to share with us so we can completely disregard them?
<3
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On July 30 2011 01:00 Palmar wrote:
I am defending myself, if I get lynched this game is over, barring a super medic save.
But the thing is, you aren't stupid VisceraEyes, so the only possible reason you'd do what you're doing is that you're mafia. You don't actually believe that using jokes in an analysis is valid, and you don't actually believe that changing my mind is scummy.
You're just trying to make it look that way.
I'd much rather answer questions from people I think are actually town, as I'm not trying to convince YOU that you're scum, I'm trying to convince TOWN that you're scum.
No by all means, continue to tell me what I mean and what I think. Not only does it further incriminate you, but it relieves me of the burden of having to think for myself. Thanks bro!
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Yeah, you see, I think Trotske is town, mostly based on the fact that you tried to lynch him.
I actually thought that anyone who read the analysis could tell that your evidence is fabricated, but Trotske wanted a clear explanation so I need to give it.
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EBWODP:
Appeal to Fear noted. Yes, we all understand we're in a dire situation where the lynch is concerned. You don't need to reiterate it here. Nice try though. If we lynch you, we're going to be one step closer to victory...your scumbuddy shouldn't be hard to find once you flip.
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Once again, you're taking logical actions and trying to make them look scummy. I will break any and all policies that you might think I have in order to try and get you lynched, and by extension, avoid a mislynch on myself.
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On July 30 2011 01:00 VisceraEyes wrote:Oh, and for the record: Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 23:51 Palmar wrote:
Let me know if anyone is actually going to read that case or wants explanation of any of my actions.
I don't talk with mafia so I'm not replying directly to VisceraEyes. Palmar doesn't speak with 'scum'...but after Trotske votes for him his tune changes and starts to actually defend himself (weakly), even responding directly to me (lol). Way to stick with your convictions bro. Any other policies you care to share with us so we can completely disregard them? <3
Did you just call me scum?
Thanks to Palmer deciding against his "convictions" I am reading not just his posts but who he is responding too and he's not really looking scummy from most of what you said. Half of the conclusions you drew were from "Here he says one thing. then here he says the opposite" the only thing is a lot of what he said can easily be taken as a joke post....
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opps before I forget
##unvote Palmer
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On July 30 2011 01:05 Trotske wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 01:00 VisceraEyes wrote:Oh, and for the record: On July 29 2011 23:51 Palmar wrote:
Let me know if anyone is actually going to read that case or wants explanation of any of my actions.
I don't talk with mafia so I'm not replying directly to VisceraEyes. Palmar doesn't speak with 'scum'...but after Trotske votes for him his tune changes and starts to actually defend himself (weakly), even responding directly to me (lol). Way to stick with your convictions bro. Any other policies you care to share with us so we can completely disregard them? <3 Did you just call me scum? Thanks to Palmer deciding against his "convictions" I am reading not just his posts but who he is responding too and he's not really looking scummy from most of what you said. Half of the conclusions you drew were from "Here he says one thing. then here he says the opposite" the only thing is a lot of what he said can easily be taken as a joke post....
No, I was commenting on the fact that he thinks I'M scum, and is actually talking to me, in spite of the fact that 'he doesn't speak with mafia'.
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alright i'm going to make a case against VE BRB.
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On July 30 2011 01:07 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 01:05 Trotske wrote:On July 30 2011 01:00 VisceraEyes wrote:Oh, and for the record: On July 29 2011 23:51 Palmar wrote:
Let me know if anyone is actually going to read that case or wants explanation of any of my actions.
I don't talk with mafia so I'm not replying directly to VisceraEyes. Palmar doesn't speak with 'scum'...but after Trotske votes for him his tune changes and starts to actually defend himself (weakly), even responding directly to me (lol). Way to stick with your convictions bro. Any other policies you care to share with us so we can completely disregard them? <3 Did you just call me scum? Thanks to Palmer deciding against his "convictions" I am reading not just his posts but who he is responding too and he's not really looking scummy from most of what you said. Half of the conclusions you drew were from "Here he says one thing. then here he says the opposite" the only thing is a lot of what he said can easily be taken as a joke post.... No, I was commenting on the fact that he thinks I'M scum, and is actually talking to me, in spite of the fact that 'he doesn't speak with mafia'.
yea but the whole argument about that post seems a bit retarded, it seems like you are grasping straws to make him look like scum.
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Which I will add is what you did to me, and as I know I'm town thats makes me think you didn't have enough luck with me so now you are trying the same tactics on Palmer.
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##Unvote
What are your thoughts on Sev and Pyo? Sev was all about insta-voting me when Palmar expressed interest in lynching me, but he didn't really seem all that suspicious of me ALL game. And both Sev and Pyo were pushing for an appruds lynch (confirmed town)....
Facts > WIFOM in my opinion, and those are facts.
Thoughts?
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Everyone was pushing for a lynch on confirmed town day 2
And yes, I think Pyo is scum. I don't know why you're trying to suddenly backpedal and bus him. But at the moment the case for you is so much stronger.
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Pyo also defended Ace AND DR...either because he agreed with their views or he knew they weren't scum...I can't be sure which.
Pyo's case against appruds was good, nothing scummy about that...just tries to apply meta to his reads...and does so in pretty convincing fashion.
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Palmar take a fucking step back bro
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You've admitted you can go through my posts and 95% of them read townie.
There's a REASON for that man.
Use your head.
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What about Sev Palmar...tell me how you feel about that guy.
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I think Sevryn is town, haven't looked through him extensively, I'm fine with lynching either you or pyo today VE.
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Well I suggest you do it bro. He's looking bad. I'm building a case now.
You should really reconsider your suspicion of me. How many times do you think that after "95% townie posts" someone is going to flip scum? I'm honestly just trying to find scum dude, and I think working together we'll be able to do it...but not of only one of us is really into it.
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Right now I'm thinking Sevyrn, Pyo and.....someone else.
I'm most iffy about Pyo though. Yes, he had a case against appruds who flipped town...but his reasoning APPEARED townie (I'm rereading it now though) and most of his posts have been pretty decent.
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It's a general expression, I stole it from Ver. Stop it, you know what I'm talking about.
On June 21 2011 16:11 Ver wrote:
4) Do not do a post by post analysis EVER. I have no idea who came up with this but it's seriously silly and doesn't do anyone any good. All it does is clog up the thread with fluff, not help your case at all because it's not like mafia give themselves away with every post at all (it's the key, defining slipups, incongruities, or general patterns you are looking for, not minor quibbles), and distract your analysis severely because you are approaching someone with a verdict in hand and trying to 'prove it' or you are simply not analyzing the important things. If you find one thing that makes someone mafia, that is it, they are mafia. It doesn't matter if you find 30 things that have a chance they might be mafia, it doesn't say anything.
I'm saying, the things that incriminate you are the three points that I listed up.
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Okay, whatever. Enjoy your loss (or your win as the case may be)
I'll let you lynch me like Ace did and you can wonder who Mafia are going to kill at night for the victory. Hint: if you're town, it's gonna be you.
GG Palmar. You lost it for us.
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Sorry I havnt been active guys I'm at otakon this weekend I'm thinking ve or pyo atm. I think trotske is just new town
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##Unvoteyo
##Vote:Trotske
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##Unvote: Pyo
##Vote: Trotske
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Based on Sev's post, my guess to the scumteam is:
Sevyrn, Trotske, Palmar.
GG to these guys for a game well-played.
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On July 30 2011 01:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Based on Sev's post, my guess to the scumteam is:
Sevyrn, Trotske, Palmar.
GG to these guys for a game well-played.
Yup we are Leading town to a scum lynch with you hanging.
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Day 3 vote count:
VisceraEyes
Curu
Palmar
Trotske
Sevryn
Trotske
VisceraEyes
redFF
Deadline is july 30 7:00 KST
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On July 30 2011 01:59 Trotske wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 01:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Based on Sev's post, my guess to the scumteam is:
Sevyrn, Trotske, Palmar.
GG to these guys for a game well-played. Yup we are Leading town to a scum lynch with you hanging.
Scumclaim much? w/e
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On July 30 2011 02:37 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 01:59 Trotske wrote:On July 30 2011 01:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Based on Sev's post, my guess to the scumteam is:
Sevyrn, Trotske, Palmar.
GG to these guys for a game well-played. Yup we are Leading town to a scum lynch with you hanging. Scumclaim much? w/e
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I'm implying that in your confidence in your victory, you accidentally admitted to being scum.
But obviously that's up to the rest of town to decide.
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If confidence in victory was admitting you were scum I have some news for you, You have admitted it a lot more than me.
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Which vote is missing? We need one more on VE.
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eh what the hell? I was gonna be content with just letting it be a no lynch, but the whole VE/palmar bickering has convinced me that at least one of them is scum. VE has been a lot more wishy-washy. Combine that with the fact that he led the the DR lynch, I'm just going to go ahead and vote for him. Hopefully we're right.
##Unote: No Lynch
##Vote: VisceraEyes
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This wagon on VE formed a bit too easily >.>
But if Fortune is gone and is Town, then Town's lost anyways, just in a slower fashion.
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Final thought...it got awfully quiet in here once I decided to give up defending myself. Seems like someone doesn't want to disturb the done deal.
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On July 30 2011 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Final thought...it got awfully quiet in here once I decided to give up defending myself. Seems like someone doesn't want to disturb the done deal.
What a good way to bring that up. "Hey guys my team hasn't defended me so I'm town"
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On July 30 2011 05:49 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Final thought...it got awfully quiet in here once I decided to give up defending myself. Seems like someone doesn't want to disturb the done deal. What a good way to bring that up. "Hey guys my team hasn't defended me so I'm town"
actually, the fact that we don't see anyone trying to defend you is pretty good evidence that you are scum. If I were scum and one of my buddies was about to hang, I wouldn't want to touch him with a 10-foot pole, especially in a mylo situation.
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you should vote for him pyo...
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Well the fact that no one even tried to defend VE at mylo is a good sign he probably isn't Mafia. But with Fortune very much MIA (provided he's not Mafia), game's over for Town anyways.
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On July 30 2011 00:13 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 00:01 Trotske wrote:On July 29 2011 23:59 Palmar wrote:On July 29 2011 23:56 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 29 2011 23:51 Palmar wrote:
Let me know if anyone is actually going to read that case or wants explanation of any of my actions.
I don't talk with mafia so I'm not replying directly to VisceraEyes. For the record, Palmar is not only refusing to defend himself, but advocating not reading something in the thread. <3 There is no reason to read things when you're trying to make up stuff that's untrue. Anyone should be able to deduce that my first post of "You're legit town bro" was sarcasm. And same with my first reply to Ace's idea. You just choose to ignore that because you're trying to bend my actions into something you can possibly paint as anti-town. there we go that's a start, While its true that does look like sarcasm the rest of his posts makes some good points care to address those? Where are the good points. Everything VE says is true, but it's just not... anti-town. I can pull out more beautiful things. He accuses me of "Giving my team ideas"... which is just... wtf? That post was made in reference to redFF getting lynched day 1 as scum in another game. Even if this was a genuine advice, why would I post it in the thread? but it's obviously a joke. Then he accuses me of changing my mind, again, how do I defend myself to that? 1. I accuse redFF a bit 2. DR422 posts a scummy list 3. I go after DR422 somehow VisceraEyes twists this into being anti-town or scummy. Like I fully admit, I changed my mind? What do you want me to say? DR422 was not only playing in a very weird way, but he was also shitting up the thread and causing bad atmosphere. Accusing me of changing my mind is like me accusing VisceraEyes of being named after a Mars Volta tune... It's true, but it says nothing about his alignment.
On July 30 2011 01:03 Palmar wrote:
Yeah, you see, I think Trotske is town, mostly based on the fact that you tried to lynch him.
I actually thought that anyone who read the analysis could tell that your evidence is fabricated, but Trotske wanted a clear explanation so I need to give it.
lmao
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On July 30 2011 04:57 Pyo wrote:
eh what the hell? I was gonna be content with just letting it be a no lynch, but the whole VE/palmar bickering has convinced me that at least one of them is scum. VE has been a lot more wishy-washy. Combine that with the fact that he led the the DR lynch, I'm just going to go ahead and vote for him. Hopefully we're right.
##Unote: No Lynch
##Vote: VisceraEyes
Wishy-washy? I'm obviously confused about everyone's certainty that I'm scum, and I'm trying to get a feel for where it comes from...but at no point in the game have I been wishy-washy. I LED the lynch of DR and I LED the lynch of Ace. I at no point slinked away from these facts. I thought they were scum, and I convinced everyone to vote for them.
I can see this back and forth between myself and Palmar being...annoying. But not scummy. Get rid of me for being annoying EARLY...not at the end of the game where when I flip town it's game over.
This is it guys, seriously...if you lynch me it's game over.
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GMarshal, if we no lynch today will Fortune get replaced?
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Fortune did not ask for a replacement so unless he posts and votes he will be modkilled.
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Oh great, so we lose either way.
Well, we can hope he's Mafia.
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Night 3
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GMarshal, the Machine Operator has been replaced by a non creative co-host
VisceraEyes, the Vanilla Townie has been lynched
Fortress Fortune will be modkilled if he doesn't post in the next 24 hours.
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On July 30 2011 06:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
GG Maf.
This.
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cross our fingers for a super-medic-save?
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Well unless Fortune shows up or is Mafia it doesn't matter anyways.
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LOLOLLOLOLOOLOOLOOOLOLOLOOOOL
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On July 30 2011 07:16 redFF wrote:
LOLOLLOLOLOOLOOLOOOLOLOLOOOOL
I Take it your mafia then?
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Yes, Palmar and redFF were who I thought were Mafia when VE wasn't being defended at all but I gave up after I realized Fortune wasn't even here.
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. o O ( I forgot red was even playing...me and my tunnels -.- )
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this game has been afk mafia : /
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My side was with VE, I would've voted for myself. Blue is our last chance.
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Edit: Oh wow. Epic filter function.
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Game Over!
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Trotske, the Vault City Doctor has died from mentats overdose.
Palmar, Pyo and Fortress Fortune take control over Vault 74 and slaughter the remaining inhabitants.
Congrats to mafia for the flawless victory!
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I like how everyone ignored Ace even when he utterly predictably flipped town
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http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/sRFdiMjqMxR66
Early on I kept on telling Palmar to chill/be careful, but then I realized that town just wasn't using their heads and were voting entirely on emotion. Vote for DR was because they didn't like him. Vote for Ace was because of his attitude. I am disappoint It's not like we were played perfectly - I missed the voting day 1, which everyone simply let happen. Palmar was crazy scummy all game long, but just everyone ignored him except for Ace (VE was too indecisive toward the end. Fortune was basically hardcore lurker mode the whole game and was pressured maybe once.
Now one thing that I realized after playing as mafia is that not having an opinion or not wanting to lynch anyone day 1 actually is scummy and should be automatically policy lynched – not because it really is scummy per se, but because if you don't do so then mafia can mask their lurking as indecision. Allowing people to vote for a no lynch really swings the game in mafia's favor.
Out of curiosity, Trotske, who did you protect night 1 and 2 (and 3 if you actually sent in your night action)?
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Ace , I figured if you he wasn't mafia he would get hit. thats one of the reason i thought he was mafia.
Sevryn, wasn't really doing anything scummy and was atleast a little active / under the radar.
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oh and Sevryn last night. becasue VE said he was scummy and ahe called me scum in the same post so I thought he couldnt be.
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gg, inactivity killed the Town. I mean, one Mafia had 1 useless post the entire game and skated by .
My fault as much as anyone's, sorry everyone!
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GM, has town ever won one of these mini-mafias?
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On July 31 2011 10:56 Pyo wrote:
GM, has town ever won one of these mini-mafias?
Town won the first one IIRC.
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On July 31 2011 11:59 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 10:56 Pyo wrote:
GM, has town ever won one of these mini-mafias? Town won the first one IIRC.
I and I think III maybe.
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On July 31 2011 03:31 syllogism wrote:
I like how everyone ignored Ace even when he utterly predictably flipped town
np man, just a few more names added to the list of players I won't play a game they are in
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On August 03 2011 19:56 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 03:31 syllogism wrote:
I like how everyone ignored Ace even when he utterly predictably flipped town np man, just a few more names added to the list of players I won't play a game they are in
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On August 03 2011 19:56 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 03:31 syllogism wrote:
I like how everyone ignored Ace even when he utterly predictably flipped town np man, just a few more names added to the list of players I won't play a game they are in
If I'm one of them, I can assure you the feeling is mutual. <3
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Can we *not* get into a dickwaving competition about how awful everyone is? Postgame is for discussion is for improving, not for deciding how bad everyone is and bashing them for it ^_^
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