Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia V

On July 22 2011 10:09 Palmar wrote:
Nice contribution bro, I think you're legit town.

On July 22 2011 10:59 DragonReborn422 wrote:
Jacinto and VisceraEyes look kind of scummy. Not sure on how much you guys have played though.

FOS (Finger of Suspicion) : Jacinto and Viscera. Ok this is the one and only time im going to use FOS...but i couldnt resist the first time. it's amusing to me in some way.

You guys look helpful but you're really not. Posts look a little forced. Jacinto looks a little better than Viscera.

I like Ace's posts.

On July 22 2011 10:47 Ace wrote:
Although if I was going to lynch someone you or Palmero over there would get the noose asap.

On July 22 2011 10:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
Any particular reason, or just because we're here to react to that statement?

On July 22 2011 11:18 Ace wrote:
I've seen you and Palmar play before thats why

On July 22 2011 11:23 DragonReborn422 wrote:


I'm not necessarily in favor of a random lynch. However, a random lynch has a solid success rate. Given that this is a game with a fair amount of beginners, it can be very easy for the mafia to direct the kills in this game. Again, a lot of this depends on how much you have played...but it looks like you have some experience.

I think your posts look a little forced and look helpful to the casual eye but really isn't helpful. Objecting to a random lynch by saying we have a higher chance of finding a mafia sounds really nice in theory....but honestly...i doubt the town has a higher than 25% of finding a mafia on day 1.

On July 22 2011 11:23 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I think your posts look a little forced and look helpful to the casual eye but really isn't helpful. Objecting to a random lynch by saying we have a higher chance of finding a mafia sounds really nice in theory....but honestly...i doubt the town has a higher than 25% of finding a mafia on day 1.

On July 22 2011 11:43 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I'm pointing out that you are trying to helpful to the inexperienced whereas you're actually not.

On July 22 2011 12:24 DragonReborn422 wrote:


I haven't agreed or disagreed with anyone. Why do people keep making stuff up about what I've said.

On July 22 2011 12:29 DragonReborn422 wrote:
Please show me where I think random lynch is better. PLEASE. I would love to see this.

On July 23 2011 00:14 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I'm ok with a random lynch. I'm also ok for an unrandom lynch.

On July 22 2011 23:57 DragonReborn422 wrote:
@Palmar

I've agreed to Ace's plan. Where? Please show me a post that DIRECTLY states we should random lynch. I've given some arguments on why a random lynch is OK because some of you guys didn't understand it.

Also your sample size of 8 games makes you the mafia theorycrafter to tell me who has played over 100 what i do is stupid? for real?

On July 23 2011 02:46 DragonReborn422 wrote:


The idea behind the mafia player is to "fit in" with the rest of the town. It's harder to post as mafia because you have to put more thoughts into your posts so you don't give yourself away. As a townie, you don't quite have that holding you back.

When I say your post appear forced....it means a post that seems unnatural and doesn't flow with a townsperson's way of thinking. Your response to ace's idea of a random lynch seemed like the thought "oh i can look to help the town by derailing this idea (regardless of how good the idea is)"

of course this is all only conjecture and theory on my part.

On July 23 2011 20:59 Ace wrote:
detrimental to town = you being Scum.

And once again, here you go stretching things to your definition of what you want to appear.

What flimsy evidence have I defended DR22? The case against him is weaker than the case against you. How can you even dare say he isn't committing to his Scum reads when VE has already accused like 4 people?

It's funny because if you read DR22's posts it's perfectly possible to see that when he listed his Town reads, he could have easily leaned towards taking back his Scum reads and going for a lurker.

Of course you somehow didn't see this - but thats because you aren't reading the thread. I don't know DR22's alignment (lol stop trying to plant your little bugs, it's cute but your efforts are so transparent) but I do know the case for lynching him is weak, especially with your Scummy play so far.

On July 22 2011 10:59 DragonReborn422 wrote:
Jacinto and VisceraEyes look kind of scummy. Not sure on how much you guys have played though.

FOS (Finger of Suspicion) : Jacinto and Viscera. Ok this is the one and only time im going to use FOS...but i couldnt resist the first time. it's amusing to me in some way.

You guys look helpful but you're really not. Posts look a little forced. Jacinto looks a little better than Viscera.

I like Ace's posts.

On July 22 2011 11:23 DragonReborn422 wrote:


I'm not necessarily in favor of a random lynch. However, a random lynch has a solid success rate. Given that this is a game with a fair amount of beginners, it can be very easy for the mafia to direct the kills in this game. Again, a lot of this depends on how much you have played...but it looks like you have some experience.

I think your posts look a little forced and look helpful to the casual eye but really isn't helpful. Objecting to a random lynch by saying we have a higher chance of finding a mafia sounds really nice in theory....but honestly...i doubt the town has a higher than 25% of finding a mafia on day 1.

On July 22 2011 11:43 DragonReborn422 wrote:
You're missing the point of my argument Viscera. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. I found it strange that you protest it making you look scummy. That is all. Perhaps our chances of hitting the mafia is more than 25% perhaps not. Again, I don't care a lick about the lynch. I'm pointing out that you are trying to helpful to the inexperienced whereas you're actually not.

On July 22 2011 11:54 DragonReborn422 wrote:


I haven't bashed anyone. What are you talking about? His reasoning is that the town can do better than a random lynch on day 1 and we should not random lynch. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. Maybe THIS town CAN do better than a random lynch on day1. It could also DO worse than a random lynch on day1. I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHICH.

I am pointing out that he appears helpful by saying that oh yea we can analayze and talk and discuss and we have a better chance of finding a mafia on day1. I think this looks pretty cool to the casual observer as yea...he sounds intelligent and useful...whereas in reality....we really don't know how good this town is. If we have a terrible town maybe we should just keeping randoming!!

On July 22 2011 12:03 DragonReborn422 wrote:


I'm not sure if that's a serious question. But I'll bite.

We can be led down the wrong path by inexperienced townspeople or experienced mafia players or the combination of both and easily have wagons on only townspeople. With the mafia members knowing whos who, they have an advantage on day 1 to control the wagons more.

On July 22 2011 12:18 DragonReborn422 wrote:


I think you overrate how good players can be at this game. But even so...this is Day 1. See you should support a random lynch then because according to you..the experienced mafia player ace is leading the town to lynch you (presumably a townie).

On July 22 2011 23:13 DragonReborn422 wrote:
um why would i show a strong stance on whether to random lynch or not. I thought the argument about it was pointless and hence why i thought viscera was scummy. I don't really even understand why we're still talking about this random lynch. we have no idea how good this town is at scum-hunting so the notion that omg we can nail a mafia 5/8 times is absurd.

On July 24 2011 07:33 Ace wrote:
:/

Of course he was Innocent. Pants on Head logic going on here. I'm actually not even going to try hard this game. I'll be content to sit back assuming I live Night 1, and play like the rest of you and not read the thread.

Being new to Mafia doesn't give you an excuse not to know how to READ.

On July 26 2011 00:32 Trotske wrote:
After re-reading most of the thread again looking at only one person's posts at a time.

The first persons posts I looked at after getting a sort of scum vibe from him is VisceraEyes.
Most of his recent posts are him trying to discredit and cast a scummy shadow over Ace but when looking through his posts I havn't found any really good reasons that Ace is scum.

He tells the town to look over Ace's posts here
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Well I did look over Ace's posts and for everything he posted he had a reason that he told us about and backs up his stuff up. VE on the other hand hasn't backed up his claims with any quotes of posts other than saying "you didn't try to back up dragon" When Ace's two posts before the lynch were exactly that.
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someone else I have had my eye on is RedFF simply because His posts havn't been helpful at all.
here he posts an img saying that the vote on DR was a bandwagon which might be true
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Two posts later he votes for DR.

Here is a post from VE putting distance from him and RedFF by disagreeing with him on why Jacinto got hit and then leads that into saying his reasoning supports that Ace is scum again with no proof other than thats what he "feels."

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My view on Ace is that He hasn't been trying to fit in like most Scum try to fit in. I am also going to say that I feel like Ace hasn't been doing alot to push his agenda it feels to me like he jsut chimes in every now and then and says what he thinks.

On July 27 2011 07:48 Palmar wrote:
Right, voting for you tomorrow Trotske.

On July 22 2011 10:09 Palmar wrote:
Nice contribution bro, I think you're legit town.

On July 22 2011 10:31 Palmar wrote:
redFF is just saying that because he got lynched day 1 as scum in bc's aa for randomly trying to protect a failure of a town.

Here's a tip for mafia, when townies are about to die, just let them die.

On July 22 2011 10:32 Palmar wrote:


It's a great idea.

Although, killing the third poster after the daypost has a far higher success-rate.

On July 22 2011 18:34 Palmar wrote:
lol, I can see why people say you're good Ace, you somehow convinced half the thread that a random lynch on day 1 is a good idea?

Like, I've played 8 mafia games, 5 of them we've lynched scum or 3rd party on day 1. That's far higher than 25%.

Is this just some clever ploy to start a discussion or try to figure out who is going to be the scummy white knight who trashes your plan?

btw, Killing ace day1 is stupid, just lynch him day 2 because the mafia will shoot him if he's not part of their team.

On July 22 2011 18:48 Palmar wrote:


Holy shit redFF, thanks for giving advice on how to play. Here is a tip: LAL doesn't work unless you actually maintain the illusion that you'll follow through with it.

But of course, you want to have an out if at some point someone actually fucks up, so you leave a hole in your policies for bad townies, something you're most certainly going to try and convince us of when one of your scumbuddies gets under pressure




Why don't you just come flat out and say the plan is terrible? We all know it's not good, the problem is identifying which is more scummy, the idiots supporting the plan or the white knights fighting against it.

But I think you're just posting random shit to make yourself look good.

#vote redFF

On July 22 2011 21:26 Palmar wrote:
your mother.

But it's still interesting.

Ace proposes terrible plan, Jacinto and VE don't like it, DragonReborn actually likes it. Like.. would scum actually take the chance? The lynch isn't really 25% chance because the mafia can co-ordinate their votes, if they so please, so I think what DragonReborn did was stupid, but probably not scummy.

On July 22 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:



You agreed with ace's plan.

From town perspective it doesn't make any sense, as judging by the sample of games I've played town has more like 50%+ chance of hitting mafia on day one, so if you're town, you should by logic never agree to this plan.

But I don't think you'd out yourself as mafia like that... early, so I'm inclined to believe it's bad judgement.

redFF however responded in the scummiest way possible to Ace's plan, he was indecisive, tried to appear interested in the plan by asking further questions, when just thinking about the problem would lead you to understand why it's bad.

That's why I'm voting for redFF, I think it's pretty obvious that he was avoiding taking a firm stance on it. Don't forget a random lynch is really the worst scenario for town (aside from the fact mafia can stack), and the entire point of the mafia game, is to increase that chance by analysis and logic.

So yeah, read red's posts, realize that they don't make sense, given his experience as a player.

On July 23 2011 00:08 Palmar wrote:
How the fuck have you played 100 games? have you been playing for years?

Anyway





This makes it look like you're perfectly fine with RL. That's a terrible idea and you should know it. And yes, I call out anyone who acts stupidly for acting stupidly.

On July 23 2011 00:14 Palmar wrote:
haha live games, sure I have 100 games on epicmafia... herpderpherpderp

Anyway, redFF, tell me your thoughts.

Also, pyo, he needs to be shot in the face, if we default to a policy lynch, Pyo is a great one, as he refuses to commit on day 1 when he's "town". So he just self-votes or something.

On July 23 2011 00:17 Palmar wrote:
interesting, unwarranted self-importance.

Maybe that Jac guy was on to something.

On July 23 2011 01:37 Palmar wrote:
So, in 100 games of playing you have learned how to flaunt your 100 games of playing, and criticizing people who make logical calls?

Nice.

On July 23 2011 01:49 Palmar wrote:
thanks DragonReborn422

##Unvote redFF
##Vote DragonReborn422

On July 23 2011 02:20 Palmar wrote:
yeah pyo, I would expect you to like random lynching, as you think voting for yourself is a good idea on day one.

So, how about it, we lynch you instead?

That list was completely uncalled for, making a list like that where he calls everyone town is just his way of trying to make friends as scum.

Why the fuck would you share your town reads as town? I don't really give a shit who he thinks is town, I want to know who he thinks is scum.

Like, I don't even think this is a questionable lynch, that shitty list just screams that he wants to contribute, make friends, but not commit to anything.

On July 23 2011 02:47 Ace wrote:


##vote Palmar

Guys, listen up. This is such a ridiculous post, part of many that Palmar has made that should be looked at seriously.

Hold your biases for a second, stop and re-read the thread from the start of the game. You'll notice Palmar has been trying to undermine myself and DR22 on this Random Lynch issue. Not only did he put words in our mouths to make up stuff that wasn't said but he's even taking it a step further and now acting like "The Town" has decided Random Lynching is bad, and is thus Scummy if you support it.

Since when did we ever decide that Random Lynching is a Scum move?.

We never did. Even worse, how could he take that stance (deciding that "The Town" has made RL scummy) when he posted this:



How is it that I could have convinced half the thread that a Random Lynch is a good idea, but within the same day you also have stated that the Town has decided otherwise? Like here:



Not only is he speaking for the Town, but now he is throwing out some falsities. The town doesn't have a "more than 50% chance" of hitting Mafia on Day 1 in any game of Mafia unless the game is broken. This is such an utterly stupid and absurd statement I don't know how anyone who has ever played a game of Mafia hasn't called him out on it.

This quoted post is also another in a long line of Palmar misrepresenting DR's position. As DR asked him:



To which Palmar has no response. The same as he can't list who I've convinced to RL.

This is typical newbie Scum play. Like I said, just re-read the thread from scratch. There is no way that someone that is BLINDLY tunneling, not even reading other player's posts and purposely misrepresenting their position is likely Town. That's just so many blatant bad moves that he should be lynched.

So once again, ## vote Palmar.

On July 23 2011 03:15 Palmar wrote:
Ace's argument is basically revolved around this sentence.



This is brilliant, from this sentence, Ace pulls two things that simply aren't true.

point a) he says I claim to speak for town.

This is incorrect, I say this in a general way "Looking at any given mafia game from the perspective of the town players" would've been more accurate, but I assumed that people wouldn't try to twist things that aren't there.

and point b) he says that I'm throwing around false facts, again, just not true.

If people actually bother to read the sentence, you can see I specifically say "and judging by the 8 games that I have played". Any statistician will tell you the sample size is too small to really mean anything, but it's all I have, so I throw it out there. Feel free to provide more statistics.

So, Ace is being guilty of exactly the thing that he has accused me of, namely putting words in people's mouth. Sure, I felt after initially reading the thread that there was more support for the RL plan than there actually was. And I wrote the post on DR without actually checking if he had explicitly suggested we RL, while in truth he had simply said he'd be fine with it.

Now, that this is out of the way, I really want people to take a look at the list that DR posted, it really, really is something that strikes me as very odd.

And yes town, this is Ace leading a bad lynch, I'm not still sure if it's because he is scum and this is the best thing he could come up with, or if it's because he simply didn't read/understand my posts.

On July 23 2011 03:36 Palmar wrote:


How many people are we going to be able to lynch tonight?

Yeah, that's right 1.

Now, you say you have a heavy mafia lean on VisceraEyes, so why don't you, instead of writing a pretty bland and non-commital list, instead try build a case that might get VisceraEyes lynched? You seem perfectly happy with throwing around weak accusations and then just wobbling along in the thread.

That's great, if you're scum, as you don't really have to commit to anything. And as an additional bonus, you make friends! You're basically using the oldest trick in the scumbook, if you tell someone he's town, he's likely to think you're town in turn.

You then cast a vote on Trotske, fair enough, as he just proved that the's actively lurking the thread, but where is the follow-up? Why aren't you pushing him to the gallows? Either you think people are scum, or you don't. There's nothing wrong with being wrong, there's everything wrong with not trying.

Thing is, I have a feeling you want to stay on the good side of as many people as possible, I think that's because you're scum.

On July 23 2011 06:27 Palmar wrote:
I'm most definitely not a lazy town, so if that's your verdict you might as well vote for me. Maybe this is your normal scumplay. Carefully making sure not to vote straight against the person accusing you, but instead discrediting them by dismissing the arguments as lazy/bad. On top of that somehow praising yourself as some vet who should be listened to. Perhaps it's time you put some of those valuable skills to use and you scumhunt, instead of voting for the first lurker that shows his face.


You haven't pushed your ideas at all.

On July 29 2011 23:51 Palmar wrote:
Let me know if anyone is actually going to read that case or wants explanation of any of my actions.

I don't talk with mafia so I'm not replying directly to VisceraEyes.

On July 29 2011 23:51 Palmar wrote:
Let me know if anyone is actually going to read that case or wants explanation of any of my actions.

I don't talk with mafia so I'm not replying directly to VisceraEyes.

On July 30 2011 01:00 Palmar wrote:
I am defending myself, if I get lynched this game is over, barring a super medic save.

But the thing is, you aren't stupid VisceraEyes, so the only possible reason you'd do what you're doing is that you're mafia. You don't actually believe that using jokes in an analysis is valid, and you don't actually believe that changing my mind is scummy.

You're just trying to make it look that way.

I'd much rather answer questions from people I think are actually town, as I'm not trying to convince YOU that you're scum, I'm trying to convince TOWN that you're scum.

On July 30 2011 01:05 Trotske wrote:


Did you just call me scum?
Thanks to Palmer deciding against his "convictions" I am reading not just his posts but who he is responding too and he's not really looking scummy from most of what you said. Half of the conclusions you drew were from "Here he says one thing. then here he says the opposite" the only thing is a lot of what he said can easily be taken as a joke post....

On July 30 2011 01:59 Trotske wrote:


Yup we are Leading town to a scum lynch with you hanging.

On July 30 2011 02:37 VisceraEyes wrote:


Scumclaim much? w/e

On July 30 2011 00:13 Palmar wrote:


Where are the good points. Everything VE says is true, but it's just not... anti-town.

I can pull out more beautiful things.

He accuses me of "Giving my team ideas"... which is just... wtf?

That post was made in reference to redFF getting lynched day 1 as scum in another game. Even if this was a genuine advice, why would I post it in the thread? but it's obviously a joke.

Then he accuses me of changing my mind, again, how do I defend myself to that?

1. I accuse redFF a bit
2. DR422 posts a scummy list
3. I go after DR422

somehow VisceraEyes twists this into being anti-town or scummy. Like I fully admit, I changed my mind? What do you want me to say? DR422 was not only playing in a very weird way, but he was also shitting up the thread and causing bad atmosphere. Accusing me of changing my mind is like me accusing VisceraEyes of being named after a Mars Volta tune... It's true, but it says nothing about his alignment.

On July 30 2011 01:03 Palmar wrote:
Yeah, you see, I think Trotske is town, mostly based on the fact that you tried to lynch him.

I actually thought that anyone who read the analysis could tell that your evidence is fabricated, but Trotske wanted a clear explanation so I need to give it.

On July 30 2011 04:57 Pyo wrote:
eh what the hell? I was gonna be content with just letting it be a no lynch, but the whole VE/palmar bickering has convinced me that at least one of them is scum. VE has been a lot more wishy-washy. Combine that with the fact that he led the the DR lynch, I'm just going to go ahead and vote for him. Hopefully we're right.

##Unote: No Lynch
##Vote: VisceraEyes

On July 30 2011 06:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
GG Maf.

On August 03 2011 19:56 Ace wrote:


np man, just a few more names added to the list of players I won't play a game they are in