EPTDragon, you've expressed suspicion on me, why not build a case against me instead of trying to discredit those who are attacking you? Your buddy Ace has a vote on me, now would be a SPLENDID time.
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Dragon, you've expressed suspicion on me, why not build a case against me instead of trying to discredit those who are attacking you? Your buddy Ace has a vote on me, now would be a SPLENDID time. | ||
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What do you mean when you say my posts look 'forced'? | ||
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On July 23 2011 02:46 DragonReborn422 wrote: The idea behind the mafia player is to "fit in" with the rest of the town. It's harder to post as mafia because you have to put more thoughts into your posts so you don't give yourself away. As a townie, you don't quite have that holding you back. When I say your post appear forced....it means a post that seems unnatural and doesn't flow with a townsperson's way of thinking. Your response to ace's idea of a random lynch seemed like the thought "oh i can look to help the town by derailing this idea (regardless of how good the idea is)" of course this is all only conjecture and theory on my part. I think I get what you're saying. But here's my issue with this post. You're AGAIN advocating Ace's idea without actually saying so. And at no point did I DERAIL his idea - I gave my opinion on it and gave the reasons I didn't like it. I never shut down discussion on it, nor did I try and steer discussion away from it. I gave my opinion on it. And I have the reasons I didn't like it. What part of what I said doesn't "flow with a townsperson's way of thinking"? You're saying that a townsperson would NOT want to pick the best lynch candidate based on behavior and information? Or that a townsperson would NOT rather increase their chances of hitting scum by discussion rather than take a flat 25% on a random lynch? Which part of my explanations is "unnatural"? | ||
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While I appreciate your transparency, editing is not allowed or tolerated in games in this subforum. Just FYI. @aprudds I see what he's saying, personally...because I read the original post. it's only a one-liner because you asked for clarification from his ORIGINAL POST, which was far from a one-liner. How about you not just cast suspicious light on everything you see to try and deflect suspicion away from yourself? How about instead, you actually take your own advice, find the most suspicious person in the thread and make a case against them? | ||
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On July 23 2011 20:59 Ace wrote: detrimental to town = you being Scum. And once again, here you go stretching things to your definition of what you want to appear. What flimsy evidence have I defended DR22? The case against him is weaker than the case against you. How can you even dare say he isn't committing to his Scum reads when VE has already accused like 4 people? It's funny because if you read DR22's posts it's perfectly possible to see that when he listed his Town reads, he could have easily leaned towards taking back his Scum reads and going for a lurker. Of course you somehow didn't see this - but thats because you aren't reading the thread. I don't know DR22's alignment (lol stop trying to plant your little bugs, it's cute but your efforts are so transparent) but I do know the case for lynching him is weak, especially with your Scummy play so far. I'm enjoying your play this game Ace. Although I gotta say...it doesn't seem like play from the guy who wrote Ace's Guide to Winning As Scum. Perhaps that's intentional? You haven't given ANY evidence while defending DR224. You do appear to be making stuff up; which 4 people have I accused? As I recall, I've accused you, and I've accused DR224. And it's looking more and more likely every hour. Here's what I'm wondering now. Once DR224 flips red, how in the SHIT are you going to explain your defense of him? | ||
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On July 22 2011 10:59 DragonReborn422 wrote: Jacinto and VisceraEyes look kind of scummy. Not sure on how much you guys have played though. FOS (Finger of Suspicion) : Jacinto and Viscera. Ok this is the one and only time im going to use FOS...but i couldnt resist the first time. it's amusing to me in some way. You guys look helpful but you're really not. Posts look a little forced. Jacinto looks a little better than Viscera. I like Ace's posts. First content post. FoS on Jacinto and Me. Because our posts look 'forced'. And because we 'look helpful, but we're really not'. Cool. On July 22 2011 11:23 DragonReborn422 wrote: I'm not necessarily in favor of a random lynch. However, a random lynch has a solid success rate. Given that this is a game with a fair amount of beginners, it can be very easy for the mafia to direct the kills in this game. Again, a lot of this depends on how much you have played...but it looks like you have some experience. I think your posts look a little forced and look helpful to the casual eye but really isn't helpful. Objecting to a random lynch by saying we have a higher chance of finding a mafia sounds really nice in theory....but honestly...i doubt the town has a higher than 25% of finding a mafia on day 1. All right, after he FoS'd me I asked him a simple question "What benefit does town get from lynching a random person?" He either doesn't understand the question or doesn't want to answer...but his answer sounds the same as his accusation. He thinks my posts look 'forced' and that they 'look helpful but really isn't helpful.' Note that this is the first time the pattern of refusing to take an actual stance on Ace's RL idea can be seen. 'I'm not in favor, but it has a solid success rate' 'I doubt the town has higher tahn 25% of finding mafia on day 1' On July 22 2011 11:43 DragonReborn422 wrote: You're missing the point of my argument Viscera. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. I found it strange that you protest it making you look scummy. That is all. Perhaps our chances of hitting the mafia is more than 25% perhaps not. Again, I don't care a lick about the lynch. I'm pointing out that you are trying to helpful to the inexperienced whereas you're actually not. Again, refusing to give an actual opinion on Ace's bad idea. Not scummy by itself, but making a note of it anyway. Still trying to make me look scummy for my opening post. On July 22 2011 11:54 DragonReborn422 wrote: I haven't bashed anyone. What are you talking about? His reasoning is that the town can do better than a random lynch on day 1 and we should not random lynch. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. Maybe THIS town CAN do better than a random lynch on day1. It could also DO worse than a random lynch on day1. I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHICH. I am pointing out that he appears helpful by saying that oh yea we can analayze and talk and discuss and we have a better chance of finding a mafia on day1. I think this looks pretty cool to the casual observer as yea...he sounds intelligent and useful...whereas in reality....we really don't know how good this town is. If we have a terrible town maybe we should just keeping randoming!! His first paragraph boils down to 'I don't know if town is capable of scumhunting or not, so this is why I do not OPPOSE a Random Lynch' But the thing I don't like about it is this: if you don't want to play the game, don't play it. More of the same refusal to say one way or the other whether he's for or against the idea of Random Lynch. Please note that he is in favor of randoming PAST THE FIRST DAY if town is horrible enough...oh, no, wait....he's not in favor of it. He only suggests it as a possible solution to the problem. My mistake. Again, if you don't want to play the game, don't play the game. Talking about who to lynch and lynching the best candidate is part of the game. Going to random.org and typing in 12 and hitting enter isn't playing the game. At this point I've realized that he's actually more in favor of this plan than he's letting on. On July 22 2011 12:03 DragonReborn422 wrote: I'm not sure if that's a serious question. But I'll bite. We can be led down the wrong path by inexperienced townspeople or experienced mafia players or the combination of both and easily have wagons on only townspeople. With the mafia members knowing whos who, they have an advantage on day 1 to control the wagons more. This is a valid point in FAVOR of a random lynch. On July 22 2011 12:18 DragonReborn422 wrote: I think you overrate how good players can be at this game. But even so...this is Day 1. See you should support a random lynch then because according to you..the experienced mafia player ace is leading the town to lynch you (presumably a townie). Shwiggity shwat? He tries to manipulate me by appealing to my fear of Ace (HA) and saying that since he's pushing for my lynch (one vote, hardly pushed) I should support a Random Lynch. I get that this was mostly a joke and he was trolling me, but still worth noting. On July 22 2011 23:13 DragonReborn422 wrote: um why would i show a strong stance on whether to random lynch or not. I thought the argument about it was pointless and hence why i thought viscera was scummy. I don't really even understand why we're still talking about this random lynch. we have no idea how good this town is at scum-hunting so the notion that omg we can nail a mafia 5/8 times is absurd. Wait wait wait...back up the truth train here a second. You were JUST insisting that I was missing the point entirely...that you thought I was scummy for my 'forced, unnatural, apparently-helpful-but-not-so-much posting'? I thought the RL discussion was 'interesting' to you? Now you're contradicting yourself too. Cool. | ||
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On July 24 2011 07:33 Ace wrote: :/ Of course he was Innocent. Pants on Head logic going on here. I'm actually not even going to try hard this game. I'll be content to sit back assuming I live Night 1, and play like the rest of you and not read the thread. Being new to Mafia doesn't give you an excuse not to know how to READ. Okay, regarding this post. ##Vote: Ace First of all, you never tried to defend Dragon (unless you count the "chainsaw lol defense" of Palmar voting for Dragon), so it's really easy to come in after he flips and say "Oh, you idiots, he was obviously innocent. lrn2reed" And further, you're so distraught over the loss of this guy that you're just going pretend to not try in frustration of us all being so lolbad? Please. This farce ends here. Town: Ace is scum. He didn't even HAVE to try and get Dragon lynched because he was playing so scummy, so Ace's vote was safely on someone else. I voted for Ace earlier but removed it because I didn't feel confident that I could get him lynched...so I thought I'd go after his partner and save Ace for later. I still strongly believe he's scum and if anyone disagrees with me ur lolbad and I quit, just like Ace is pretending to do, but for real. (lol j/k...but srsly, he's scum). I'd really like town to take a look at his posts and ask yourself "if Ace is town, why is he acting like this?" I haven't been able to figure it out. And NOW he says that he's not even going to try this game "like the rest of you" because "we don't read the thread". Why in the hell would he say this as town? A vote for Ace is a vote for scum. I promise. WIFOM says he going to claim power-role if we start voting his way just so we policy-don't-lynch, so be prepared. We MUST lynch him tonight. I'm afraid of him as scum. VisceraEyes P.S. WIFOM also says cue Ace's pre-written "lol@Viscera's super-bad-tunnel play". It's sure to be "convincing". | ||
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@red I'm not sure if I agree that Jacinto was a blue-snipe. He didn't talk about detectives in a way that hinted or indicated that he was fishing for advice on how to play as one, which seems more likely in a new player as you (accurately imo) deduce. I feel like the hit was designed more specifically to deny town information. When we mislynched Dragon, Jacinto was one of the earlier votes (less suspicious) and simultaniously one of the less vocal (less information to confirm). And one of the only players' meta I feel supports that level of finesse is Ace. See above post. | ||
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On July 26 2011 00:32 Trotske wrote: After re-reading most of the thread again looking at only one person's posts at a time. The first persons posts I looked at after getting a sort of scum vibe from him is VisceraEyes. Most of his recent posts are him trying to discredit and cast a scummy shadow over Ace but when looking through his posts I havn't found any really good reasons that Ace is scum. He tells the town to look over Ace's posts here + Show Spoiler + On July 25 2011 09:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Ace: Okay, regarding this post. ##Vote: Ace First of all, you never tried to defend Dragon (unless you count the "chainsaw lol defense" of Palmar voting for Dragon), so it's really easy to come in after he flips and say "Oh, you idiots, he was obviously innocent. lrn2reed" And further, you're so distraught over the loss of this guy that you're just going pretend to not try in frustration of us all being so lolbad? Please. This farce ends here. Town: Ace is scum. He didn't even HAVE to try and get Dragon lynched because he was playing so scummy, so Ace's vote was safely on someone else. I voted for Ace earlier but removed it because I didn't feel confident that I could get him lynched...so I thought I'd go after his partner and save Ace for later. I still strongly believe he's scum and if anyone disagrees with me ur lolbad and I quit, just like Ace is pretending to do, but for real. (lol j/k...but srsly, he's scum). I'd really like town to take a look at his posts and ask yourself "if Ace is town, why is he acting like this?" I haven't been able to figure it out. And NOW he says that he's not even going to try this game "like the rest of you" because "we don't read the thread". Why in the hell would he say this as town? A vote for Ace is a vote for scum. I promise. WIFOM says he going to claim power-role if we start voting his way just so we policy-don't-lynch, so be prepared. We MUST lynch him tonight. I'm afraid of him as scum. VisceraEyes P.S. WIFOM also says cue Ace's pre-written "lol@Viscera's super-bad-tunnel play". It's sure to be "convincing". Well I did look over Ace's posts and for everything he posted he had a reason that he told us about and backs up his stuff up. VE on the other hand hasn't backed up his claims with any quotes of posts other than saying "you didn't try to back up dragon" When Ace's two posts before the lynch were exactly that. + Show Spoiler + On July 23 2011 19:50 Ace wrote: You guys should drop your votes on DR22. There isn't a good case against him and Palmar is a far more detrimental player to the Town. Then again my last post about reading the thread got ignored so I'm not even surprised it's come to this. Can anyone show me an actual good case against DR22? + Show Spoiler + On July 23 2011 20:59 Ace wrote: detrimental to town = you being Scum. And once again, here you go stretching things to your definition of what you want to appear. What flimsy evidence have I defended DR22? The case against him is weaker than the case against you. How can you even dare say he isn't committing to his Scum reads when VE has already accused like 4 people? It's funny because if you read DR22's posts it's perfectly possible to see that when he listed his Town reads, he could have easily leaned towards taking back his Scum reads and going for a lurker. Of course you somehow didn't see this - but thats because you aren't reading the thread. I don't know DR22's alignment (lol stop trying to plant your little bugs, it's cute but your efforts are so transparent) but I do know the case for lynching him is weak, especially with your Scummy play so far. someone else I have had my eye on is RedFF simply because His posts havn't been helpful at all. here he posts an img saying that the vote on DR was a bandwagon which might be true + Show Spoiler + Two posts later he votes for DR. Here is a post from VE putting distance from him and RedFF by disagreeing with him on why Jacinto got hit and then leads that into saying his reasoning supports that Ace is scum again with no proof other than thats what he "feels." + Show Spoiler + On July 25 2011 14:02 VisceraEyes wrote: Seriously? 1/4 through the day and I'm the only vote, and only the second thread?? I guess GMarshal's leniency was taken to heart. Lurker mode commence. @red I'm not sure if I agree that Jacinto was a blue-snipe. He didn't talk about detectives in a way that hinted or indicated that he was fishing for advice on how to play as one, which seems more likely in a new player as you (accurately imo) deduce. I feel like the hit was designed more specifically to deny town information. When we mislynched Dragon, Jacinto was one of the earlier votes (less suspicious) and simultaniously one of the less vocal (less information to confirm). And one of the only players' meta I feel supports that level of finesse is Ace. See above post. My view on Ace is that He hasn't been trying to fit in like most Scum try to fit in. I am also going to say that I feel like Ace hasn't been doing alot to push his agenda it feels to me like he jsut chimes in every now and then and says what he thinks. My whole case is based on how I feel because he is specifically not posting, sir. None of his posts explicitly incriminate him, and I'm sure that's absolutely by design. Take from that what you want. The fact that you didn't realize this just reading my post (it's written with an obvious air of insecurity and uncertainty), makes me wonder about your motives in defending Ace...just sayin. | ||
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