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How the fuck have you played 100 games? have you been playing for years?
Anyway
On July 22 2011 12:03 DragonReborn422 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:59 Trotske wrote:On July 22 2011 11:54 DragonReborn422 wrote:On July 22 2011 11:49 Trotske wrote:On July 22 2011 11:43 DragonReborn422 wrote:
You're missing the point of my argument Viscera. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. I found it strange that you protest it making you look scummy. That is all. Perhaps our chances of hitting the mafia is more than 25% perhaps not. Again, I don't care a lick about the lynch. I'm pointing out that you are trying to helpful to the inexperienced whereas you're actually not. Could you point out the flaws in his reasoning? It seems to me that your posts have been more useless than his by bashing what he has to say and not supporting it at all other than saying "It has worked before" and not giving and evidence. I haven't bashed anyone. What are you talking about? His reasoning is that the town can do better than a random lynch on day 1 and we should not random lynch. I don't care if we do a random lynch or not. Maybe THIS town CAN do better than a random lynch on day1. It could also DO worse than a random lynch on day1. I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHICH. I am pointing out that he appears helpful by saying that oh yea we can analayze and talk and discuss and we have a better chance of finding a mafia on day1. I think this looks pretty cool to the casual observer as yea...he sounds intelligent and useful...whereas in reality....we really don't know how good this town is. If we have a terrible town maybe we should just keeping randoming!! How can the town do worse than a RL day1. I'm not sure if that's a serious question. But I'll bite. We can be led down the wrong path by inexperienced townspeople or experienced mafia players or the combination of both and easily have wagons on only townspeople. With the mafia members knowing whos who, they have an advantage on day 1 to control the wagons more.
This makes it look like you're perfectly fine with RL. That's a terrible idea and you should know it. And yes, I call out anyone who acts stupidly for acting stupidly.
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If you count live games of mafia, I started playing when I was in the ninth grade...so I've played mafia for about 11 years now.
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haha live games, sure I have 100 games on epicmafia... herpderpherpderp
Anyway, redFF, tell me your thoughts.
Also, pyo, he needs to be shot in the face, if we default to a policy lynch, Pyo is a great one, as he refuses to commit on day 1 when he's "town". So he just self-votes or something.
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I'm ok with a random lynch. I'm also ok for an unrandom lynch.
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By that I meant
DR422: tell me your thoughts on redFF.
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On July 23 2011 00:15 Palmar wrote:
By that I meant
DR422: tell me your thoughts on redFF.
I haven't re-read the thread yet. I've mostly just responded to a couple things regarding myself. I will re-read now.
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interesting, unwarranted self-importance.
Maybe that Jac guy was on to something.
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RE: redFF
he really hasn't posted much. a couple one liners. I used to only post one liners and jokes on day 1....it was entertaining and easy to balance into your mafia game as well.
He hasn't gone overly out of his way to look helpful (as viscera has). He's made like 2 quality posts....one in which he rants about newbies and one in which he is confused about randomness. These two don't really go well together to be honest. He's probably average or maybe a little above average scum candidate to me.
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Okay, welcome to the party Palmar.
I agree with your assessment. Killing Ace would be...premature.
DragonReborn422 however...
DR422 has been playing very defensively. He very clearly states that
On July 23 2011 00:14 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I'm ok with a random lynch. I'm also ok for an unrandom lynch.
Refusing to take a stand one way or the other. Seems like he's waiting to see which idea is more popular before deciding which HE prefers.
He likes Ace's posts, in spite of them being mostly arrogant and full of horrible ideas. But maybe there's a reason for that.
On July 22 2011 23:57 DragonReborn422 wrote:
@Palmar
I've agreed to Ace's plan. Where? Please show me a post that DIRECTLY states we should random lynch. I've given some arguments on why a random lynch is OK because some of you guys didn't understand it.
Also your sample size of 8 games makes you the mafia theorycrafter to tell me who has played over 100 what i do is stupid? for real?
He does this all game - says something close to A, someone calls him out for saying A, and then he DEMANDS that you show him where he SAID A, knowing that he didn't say A...that he only said something CLOSE to A.
Also, unwarranted self-importance indeed. This post sounds like something Ace would say...if he wasn't so good at this game. 
All and all, I agree with Palmar that DR422 looks scummy as hellfire and believe that he's a better d1 lynch than Ace.
##Vote: DragonReborn422
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I want to lynch redFF VisEyes...
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I don't Palmar. I don't agree that he's scummy.
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Your argument for wanting to kill redFF is that he negated one of your favorite policies with his post. Call him a bastard...don't kill him for it.
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I for one also disagree with LAL. First of all, auto-lynching anyone is a bad idea...lynches should be based on analysis and information...not policy. Also, with manipulative players in the game (*wave @ Ace*) words can be twisted to look like a lie when it's not in fact...turning your 'town protection policy' into a weapon that can be used against townies. No thanks. We can't afford to just auto-lynch townies in a game this small. FUCK LAL
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 isclaimer*
Don't lie - it's bad for town. If you lie, we'll find out and you'll have to answer for it. Don't EVER lie to town, for ANY reason. All it does is make you look bad, even with the best of intentions at heart.
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Dragon for such a "EXPERIENCED PLAYER" your play has been less then stellar. Stuff like
i probably have more games played than everyone here combined and probably at a higher level of play. Let's try to stay away from the mud-slinging ok?
Makes me cry and laugh at the same time. You really seem to like waving your penis around eh?
+ Show Spoiler +On July 22 2011 10:10 DragonReborn422 wrote:
i was a heavy post counter for werewolf games on 2+2's puzzles and other games. I'm not sure if i will continue that trend on here for mafia games.
I'm sure i will have to adjust to the play style on here. I've mostly played "vanilla games" and not "mish-mash games" which have creative roles. I have probably 100 or so vanilla games played and about 10 mish-mash games played.
I remember the first time a bunch of us played a game on mafiascum and we got into a flame war with the forum just because the style of the game is so different between forums. I am fairly elitist and think my own style is very good, but I'm ok with taking a backseat and learning the ropes on a new forum.
I will post some reads soon.
I like your style of flexing your over 9000 games played. With that many games your reads must be super awesome as well!
+ Show Spoiler +On July 22 2011 10:59 DragonReborn422 wrote:
Jacinto and VisceraEyes look kind of scummy. Not sure on how much you guys have played though.
FOS (Finger of Suspicion) : Jacinto and Viscera. Ok this is the one and only time im going to use FOS...but i couldnt resist the first time. it's amusing to me in some way.
You guys look helpful but you're really not. Posts look a little forced. Jacinto looks a little better than Viscera.
I like Ace's posts.
Some deep reasoning there. I guess your scumdar is just that good from all those games you played........
+ Show Spoiler +On July 22 2011 11:23 DragonReborn422 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 22 2011 10:59 DragonReborn422 wrote:
Jacinto and VisceraEyes look kind of scummy. Not sure on how much you guys have played though.
FOS (Finger of Suspicion) : Jacinto and Viscera. Ok this is the one and only time im going to use FOS...but i couldnt resist the first time. it's amusing to me in some way.
You guys look helpful but you're really not. Posts look a little forced. Jacinto looks a little better than Viscera.
I like Ace's posts. All right Dragon, then we dispense with the pleasantries. I'm trying to create a pro-town environment. Tell me how that's scummy if you please. Clearly you agree with lynching randomly as Ace does, and his non-answer to my question apparently doesn't bother you because you're in perfect agreement about who you'd lynch given the reins. So let me pose this question to you, because I KNOW Ace has an answer for me. What benefit does town get from lynching a random person? I'm not necessarily in favor of a random lynch. However, a random lynch has a solid success rate. Given that this is a game with a fair amount of beginners, it can be very easy for the mafia to direct the kills in this game. Again, a lot of this depends on how much you have played...but it looks like you have some experience. I think your posts look a little forced and look helpful to the casual eye but really isn't helpful. Objecting to a random lynch by saying we have a higher chance of finding a mafia sounds really nice in theory.... but honestly...i doubt the town has a higher than 25% of finding a mafia on day 1.
Or not..... I guess your scumdar is pretty terrible then.
Put that penis down, your not the best player in the world and acting like it is just making you look like a fool. Your pride and indecisiveness is just going to get you hanged.
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On July 22 2011 18:48 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 09:58 redFF wrote:On July 22 2011 09:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
*makes mud-pies* :D
And
##Vote: redFF
100% of your posts are spam so far. Keep it up my friend. I got....well, I just got the one vote...but I got a lot of scowls and at least 10 fingers to point at you sir! Most people haven't even posted at all yet... As for what to do now for the newbies, just post and wait for someone to slip up/look scummy. Also please do not lie, there have been a bunch of games recently where bad townies have lied and screwed over town, so don't lie! LAL is a very extreme policy but it makes sense. I'm not suggesting LAL, but if someone lies then I will personally look at them carefully and trust them a good deal less. We have a lot of new players in this game so i encourage more experienced players to remember that there is a difference between DUMBand SCUM. Too often day 1 lynches end up with some townie getting lynched for trivial reasons when people dont realise the townie is just bad! Holy shit redFF, thanks for giving advice on how to play. Here is a tip: LAL doesn't work unless you actually maintain the illusion that you'll follow through with it. But of course, you want to have an out if at some point someone actually fucks up, so you leave a hole in your policies for bad townies, something you're most certainly going to try and convince us of when one of your scumbuddies gets under pressure Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:16 redFF wrote:
I've never actually seen or heard of random lynching before, well most day 1 lynches are random but outright saying they are and randomly deciding who is lynched is something i've never seen before, can you link me to a game where a random lynch has been used? It seems pretty dumb to me, because you could hit an active pro-town player just as likely as you could hit a lurking mafia. Why don't you just come flat out and say the plan is terrible? We all know it's not good, the problem is identifying which is more scummy, the idiots supporting the plan or the white knights fighting against it. But I think you're just posting random shit to make yourself look good. #vote redFF
So in that first post you quoted I made a warning about lying to town because in recent games I have played/seen it has bit town in the ass. You yourself lied multiple times in PTP1 for terrible reasons and got yourself lynched...
Ok, I said lying is bad but I don't want to LAL because sometimes dumb townies lie, how is that scummy? I'm just trying to lay out pro-town policies, which imo LAL is not.
As for the second post, how is that scummy?
It seems pretty dumb to me, because you could hit an active pro-town player just as likely as you could hit a lurking mafia.
That looks like taking a stance to me, and wanting to see a game where it has been used is fair enough. I hadn't quite made a decision regarding it but yes I think it's pretty clear that we shouldn't random lynch.
I really cannot fathom how you saw something scummy enough to place your vote on me in there...
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I'm not waving my e-penis around. It's annoying when peopel with 8 games played calls my idea stupid. I haven't called anyone's ideas or posts stupid.
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Not to mention they say I do something which I haven't done is stupid. that's probably even more infuriating.
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On July 23 2011 01:21 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 18:48 Palmar wrote:On July 22 2011 09:58 redFF wrote:On July 22 2011 09:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
*makes mud-pies* :D
And
##Vote: redFF
100% of your posts are spam so far. Keep it up my friend. I got....well, I just got the one vote...but I got a lot of scowls and at least 10 fingers to point at you sir! Most people haven't even posted at all yet... As for what to do now for the newbies, just post and wait for someone to slip up/look scummy. Also please do not lie, there have been a bunch of games recently where bad townies have lied and screwed over town, so don't lie! LAL is a very extreme policy but it makes sense. I'm not suggesting LAL, but if someone lies then I will personally look at them carefully and trust them a good deal less. We have a lot of new players in this game so i encourage more experienced players to remember that there is a difference between DUMBand SCUM. Too often day 1 lynches end up with some townie getting lynched for trivial reasons when people dont realise the townie is just bad! Holy shit redFF, thanks for giving advice on how to play. Here is a tip: LAL doesn't work unless you actually maintain the illusion that you'll follow through with it. But of course, you want to have an out if at some point someone actually fucks up, so you leave a hole in your policies for bad townies, something you're most certainly going to try and convince us of when one of your scumbuddies gets under pressure On July 22 2011 11:16 redFF wrote:
I've never actually seen or heard of random lynching before, well most day 1 lynches are random but outright saying they are and randomly deciding who is lynched is something i've never seen before, can you link me to a game where a random lynch has been used? It seems pretty dumb to me, because you could hit an active pro-town player just as likely as you could hit a lurking mafia. Why don't you just come flat out and say the plan is terrible? We all know it's not good, the problem is identifying which is more scummy, the idiots supporting the plan or the white knights fighting against it. But I think you're just posting random shit to make yourself look good. #vote redFF So in that first post you quoted I made a warning about lying to town because in recent games I have played/seen it has bit town in the ass. You yourself lied multiple times in PTP1 for terrible reasons and got yourself lynched... Ok, I said lying is bad but I don't want to LAL because sometimes dumb townies lie, how is that scummy? I'm just trying to lay out pro-town policies, which imo LAL is not. As for the second post, how is that scummy? It seems pretty dumb to me, because you could hit an active pro-town player just as likely as you could hit a lurking mafia. That looks like taking a stance to me, and wanting to see a game where it has been used is fair enough. I hadn't quite made a decision regarding it but yes I think it's pretty clear that we shouldn't random lynch. I really cannot fathom how you saw something scummy enough to place your vote on me in there...
Hi, I'm not trying to convince you that you're scum. So instead of being so focused on yourself, why don't you tell us whom else we should lynch?
Now that we've established you don't want to random lynch, start putting down ideas.
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