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On July 23 2011 02:59 Lord Vatti wrote:
It occurs to me that, as said previously, if Ace isnt a townie, he is A) a very good mafia, and B) we are all in trouble. we don't have enough of ace's point of view besides No Palmar. I'm not accusing ace, and i am inclined to think Palmar is scum, but even though ace seems like a focused townie, we should all be keeping our eyes on him...
Why are you inclined to think Palmar is scum?
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/suspicious look
I can't put my finger on it but it just gives this weird mafia VIBE that doesn't seem right... I dunno. Cant put it into words. Someone back me up here...
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On July 22 2011 10:31 VisceraEyes wrote:Hmmmmm...ACE with the first scummy post. Go figure.  Ace, what possible information could be gleaned from deciding who to lynch based on randomness (if that's what you're proposing?) I'm relatively new, so forgive if this is something obvious that I just haven't picked up yet...
This is your to Ace after he suggested randing the kill. I kinda basically just ignored Ace's post after I read it as 1...I doubt it would happen and 2... I thought it was mostly a joke.
You call his post scummy yet you state that you're new and there might be something obvious you're missing. This post does not seem natural.
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Ace's argument is basically revolved around this sentence.
From town perspective it doesn't make any sense, as judging by the sample of games I've played town has more like 50%+ chance of hitting mafia on day one, so if you're town, you should by logic never agree to this plan.
This is brilliant, from this sentence, Ace pulls two things that simply aren't true.
point a) he says I claim to speak for town.
This is incorrect, I say this in a general way "Looking at any given mafia game from the perspective of the town players" would've been more accurate, but I assumed that people wouldn't try to twist things that aren't there.
and point b) he says that I'm throwing around false facts, again, just not true.
If people actually bother to read the sentence, you can see I specifically say "and judging by the 8 games that I have played". Any statistician will tell you the sample size is too small to really mean anything, but it's all I have, so I throw it out there. Feel free to provide more statistics.
So, Ace is being guilty of exactly the thing that he has accused me of, namely putting words in people's mouth. Sure, I felt after initially reading the thread that there was more support for the RL plan than there actually was. And I wrote the post on DR without actually checking if he had explicitly suggested we RL, while in truth he had simply said he'd be fine with it.
Now, that this is out of the way, I really want people to take a look at the list that DR posted, it really, really is something that strikes me as very odd.
And yes town, this is Ace leading a bad lynch, I'm not still sure if it's because he is scum and this is the best thing he could come up with, or if it's because he simply didn't read/understand my posts.
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On July 23 2011 03:11 Lord Vatti wrote:
/suspicious look
I can't put my finger on it but it just gives this weird mafia VIBE that doesn't seem right... I dunno. Cant put it into words. Someone back me up here...
palmar looks so scummy that he can't be a scum. he's just a confused villager imo
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What is odd about my list? Are you not accustomed to lists or do you disagree with my thoughts on the players? Please expand.
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On July 23 2011 03:16 DragonReborn422 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:11 Lord Vatti wrote:
/suspicious look
I can't put my finger on it but it just gives this weird mafia VIBE that doesn't seem right... I dunno. Cant put it into words. Someone back me up here...
palmar looks so scummy that he can't be a scum. he's just a confused villager imo
Oh you're from Epicmafia! That explains it.
On July 23 2011 02:50 Lord Vatti wrote:
Sorry i was out so long, went to beach w/ family. didn't think so much would happen in a day.
re-reading the post...
## vote Palmar
he seems the most suspicious, and i definitely agree with ace. Palmar man, start defending yourself or your heading to the rope.
wtf is this.
Literally explains nothing and gives no reason for his vote, I agree with Ace and seems most suspicious are not valid explanations.
so
##Vote Lord Vatti
until he comes and explains his vote.
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On July 23 2011 02:14 Pyo wrote:
I think we're better off putting some pressure on the guys who haven't said much of anything. Sevryn, Trotske, Fortress? Care to comment? (Lord Vatti was modkilled for disappearing immediately after SNMMIV started and wouldn't at all be surprised if he got modkilled here as well - I hope Curu has been keeping up, lol)
10 minutes later.
On July 23 2011 02:28 Trotske wrote:
Sure ill comment,
I don't know what to think, DR seems like a douche but that doesn't mean hes scum I feel like all this back and forth between DR, VE, and Ace could be some elaborate plan to confuse the new players like me into getting behind one of these guys to lead them to a lynch.
The way I see our D1 lynch options are Inactive > one of DR, VE, or Ace > RL.
That's my view.
So trotske was clearly actively lurking.
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On July 23 2011 03:03 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I actually think trotske is a pretty solid vote right now. he's playing so safe.
## vote trotske
By "playing safe" makes me a solid vote and yet people who look scummy to you are obv town? Is your head on backwards or is there something else going on here?
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On July 23 2011 03:22 DragonReborn422 wrote:
What is odd about my list? Are you not accustomed to lists or do you disagree with my thoughts on the players? Please expand.
How many people are we going to be able to lynch tonight?
Yeah, that's right 1.
Now, you say you have a heavy mafia lean on VisceraEyes, so why don't you, instead of writing a pretty bland and non-commital list, instead try build a case that might get VisceraEyes lynched? You seem perfectly happy with throwing around weak accusations and then just wobbling along in the thread.
That's great, if you're scum, as you don't really have to commit to anything. And as an additional bonus, you make friends! You're basically using the oldest trick in the scumbook, if you tell someone he's town, he's likely to think you're town in turn.
You then cast a vote on Trotske, fair enough, as he just proved that the's actively lurking the thread, but where is the follow-up? Why aren't you pushing him to the gallows? Either you think people are scum, or you don't. There's nothing wrong with being wrong, there's everything wrong with not trying.
Thing is, I have a feeling you want to stay on the good side of as many people as possible, I think that's because you're scum.
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On July 23 2011 03:26 Trotske wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:03 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I actually think trotske is a pretty solid vote right now. he's playing so safe.
## vote trotske By "playing safe" makes me a solid vote and yet people who look scummy to you are obv town? Is your head on backwards or is there something else going on here?
you look kind of scummy to me. "scummy" is all relative. you're lurking in the thread..popping up when your name gets mentioned. and that's about it. you're flying pretty low key...a pretty decent mafia candidate imo.
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weak accusations lol?
i think accusing me of scum for using weak accusations is absolutely ludicrous. talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
THIS IS DAY 1 GUYS. It's mostly weak accusations/randomness. I even stated why I wouldn't mind keeping viscera for another day. you don't acknowledge this at all palomar.
Please read my posts or don't leave important stuff out to make your points. thank you.
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On July 23 2011 03:43 DragonReborn422 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:26 Trotske wrote:On July 23 2011 03:03 DragonReborn422 wrote:
I actually think trotske is a pretty solid vote right now. he's playing so safe.
## vote trotske By "playing safe" makes me a solid vote and yet people who look scummy to you are obv town? Is your head on backwards or is there something else going on here? you look kind of scummy to me. "scummy" is all relative. you're lurking in the thread..popping up when your name gets mentioned. and that's about it. you're flying pretty low key...a pretty decent mafia candidate imo.
I pop up when I have something useful to say otherwise I'm watching to see whats going on considering this is my first game and someone asked me to say something so I responded. I'm not sure how this is more scummy than say Sevryn or Fortress Fortune.
Seems to me that if you post a lot but have nothing to say == scum.
Don't post a lot because you have nothing useful to contribute == scum.
Keep telling everyone who you think could be scum from a couple of posts == townie?
Like I said in an earlier post my lynch list still has inactive people at the top but DR is getting up there because he keeps voting for someone different at the drop of a hat.
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actually, you're the first person i've voted trotske. keep making stuff up though.
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On July 23 2011 03:46 DragonReborn422 wrote:
weak accusations lol?
i think accusing me of scum for using weak accusations is absolutely ludicrous. talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
THIS IS DAY 1 GUYS. It's mostly weak accusations/randomness. I even stated why I wouldn't mind keeping viscera for another day. you don't acknowledge this at all palomar.
Please read my posts or don't leave important stuff out to make your points. thank you.
Your ignoring his main point. Your still being indecisive and refusing to take a side even after all your "analysis".
##Vote DragonReborn422
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We could pull up any reasoning on the morality of first round RL being beneficial or detrimental to town, imo its totally subjective from past experience. I completely understand adherents to RL even as a tentative lure, which doesn't mean I abide to it.
It's clear that Ace has some kind of pillar aura presence in this game, there are several acknowledgments of his expertise. Besides initiating the whole debate on RL, I still view him from his recent post as clear and he set up a good formulating point to extract some info.
DR and VE stand out from being overly defensive which does not automatically imply guilt, on the contrary it’s good to see some defensive passion displayed.
There’s some trash talk going on regarding DR’s presumed experience which is completely overboard the situation, yet I understand his point even at the lowest where he’s okay either way with RL or not even if he lost some feathers on the way.
Palmar has some free flowing self-righteousness going on for the sake of some twisted justice of being himself.
I won’t go through some enumerated analysis à la DR one by one, redFF still stands out on my point from his ice-breaker never lie ‘cause you’d have to respond to your actions ethic, imo he still leaves a lasting impression besides that it’s just observing game.
It’s clear that conscentious factual reasoning is relevant, however clearly out of line on this first round time-frame basis. This figure comes to mind when I see the 100% townie claim of DR, that ratio of certainty is out of league, yet it’s your style so go for it, seemingly you got a bit more passive so just stand for what you’re up for.
##vote aprudds due to jittering agressivity, appearing obvious on both sides from a cover scheme or sense of safety in belonging.
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what am i refusing to take a side on?
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On July 23 2011 04:19 DragonReborn422 wrote:
what am i refusing to take a side on?
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1. redFF - i actually have a slight town lean on him. i gave a little analysis on him a few posts ago.
2. Sevryn - has made only 2 posts that i can see. both have been advice/generalizations about the game. he doesn't have any leans on anyone. i lean mafia on him.
3. Jacinto - trying hard which is a pretty good sign. most likely not mafia/mafia with viscera. But I think its very possible one or the other is. slight mafia lean.
4. Palmar - lean town...although i don't really get the case on redFF. i mean most cases are pretty weak on day1...but you seem somewhat adamant on redFF.
5. VisceraEyes - Heavy mafia lean. Very defensive and a I still like my read about his posts regarding the random lynch to be forced. Does post a fair amount so not lynching on day1 would be ok.
6. aprudds - has made 5 posts since the game has begun. 0 have been regarding player roles. They've all been about what he likes or doesn't like about posts. No lean.
7. Pyo - a pretty solid long post. slight town lean
8. Trotske - pretty UTR. nothing stands out. thus a slight mafia lean.
9. DragonReborn422 - 100% townie
10. Ace - have no clue on his role but i like his posts...would like to keep him around for at least another day
11.Lord Vatti - hasn't posted
12. Fortress Fortune - hasn't posted
Hi, I don't really wanna pressure anyone but I want to seem to be contributing so I'm going to post a giant list that doesn't say anything.
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On July 23 2011 04:19 Fortress Fortune wrote:
We could pull up any reasoning on the morality of first round RL being beneficial or detrimental to town, imo its totally subjective from past experience. I completely understand adherents to RL even as a tentative lure, which doesn't mean I abide to it.
It's clear that Ace has some kind of pillar aura presence in this game, there are several acknowledgments of his expertise. Besides initiating the whole debate on RL, I still view him from his recent post as clear and he set up a good formulating point to extract some info.
DR and VE stand out from being overly defensive which does not automatically imply guilt, on the contrary it’s good to see some defensive passion displayed.
There’s some trash talk going on regarding DR’s presumed experience which is completely overboard the situation, yet I understand his point even at the lowest where he’s okay either way with RL or not even if he lost some feathers on the way.
Palmar has some free flowing self-righteousness going on for the sake of some twisted justice of being himself.
I won’t go through some enumerated analysis à la DR one by one, redFF still stands out on my point from his ice-breaker never lie ‘cause you’d have to respond to your actions ethic, imo he still leaves a lasting impression besides that it’s just observing game.
It’s clear that conscentious factual reasoning is relevant, however clearly out of line on this first round time-frame basis. This figure comes to mind when I see the 100% townie claim of DR, that ratio of certainty is out of league, yet it’s your style so go for it, seemingly you got a bit more passive so just stand for what you’re up for.
##vote aprudds due to jittering agressivity, appearing obvious on both sides from a cover scheme or sense of safety in belonging.
Sorry can you be more clear here? I don't clearly understand you here.
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@aprudds the majority of your posts were specific aimed.
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On July 23 2011 04:34 Fortress Fortune wrote:
@aprudds the majority of your posts were specific aimed.
I don't understand your logic, can you elaborate?
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