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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 22 2011 13:33 GMT
#74
/in

10 days without mafia is 11 days too long.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 23 2011 00:54 GMT
#87
inb4 I get a detective role and palmar kills me night 1.

<3

The role I created last time kinda sucked, I'll try to make this one more entertaining.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 24 2011 23:17 GMT
#140
I think my role got sent in too late (as in 5 minutes ago) so i apologize to the hosts if i in any way caused a delay. Busy day, but i should have found the time.

Penalties are connected with the role, right? An example being a vig with a penalty for shooting a blue (nothing to do with the role i made, just an example)
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 24 2011 23:21 GMT
#143
On July 25 2011 08:19 redFF wrote:
no your penalty goes to a different person than your role.

then i definitely did it wrong. could somebody give an example?
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 24 2011 23:25 GMT
#146
On July 25 2011 08:23 redFF wrote:
In additon to picking a role for the person given you can send in a penalty as well. You will not know who you are picking the penalty for. Penalties are hidden and inactive initially and will activiate under special circumstances through out the game. For example, if you reveal who you picked your role for or details about said role your penalty will activate. There are other ways to activate it as well.

Alright, i think i understand. Sent a revised penalty in.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 24 2011 23:29 GMT
#150
On July 25 2011 08:27 syllogism wrote:
I understood we don't decide how the penalties activate, just the penalty itself

dammit, then i did it wrong again. Could a host clarify please?
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 24 2011 23:36 GMT
#156
On July 25 2011 08:35 heist wrote:
No one does ctrl+r anymore?

1 key press versus two.

it's all about efficiency, baby.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 25 2011 17:30 GMT
#623
goddammit do these games always get spammed to hell?

reading the thread now.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 25 2011 19:19 GMT
#640
Alright I'm caught up. Correct me if I'm wrong, but an accurate summary of the proceedings today is:

Jackal claims HP, ON claims voldy, ON dies, people say that Jackal is lying. YM kills ON, gets killed by tackster, supersoft kills tackster. Kitaman is lurking, Kurumi is trolling/soliciting votes.

I'm uneasy about lynching Jackal based purely on role speculation. I'd rather keep an eye on him and keep him the hell away from the hallows.

I'd be fine with lynching kitaman27 at the moment. Nobody vote for Kurumi, k?
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 26 2011 22:56 GMT
#1221
goddammit missed the vote. thought day would be three hours longer TT.

Am i modkilled or can i still play?
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 26 2011 23:25 GMT
#1224
On July 27 2011 08:10 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 07:56 Varpulis wrote:
goddammit missed the vote. thought day would be three hours longer TT.

Am i modkilled or can i still play?


Yes but consider it your last warning. You have very few posts in the thread so I expect you to be a lot more active.

Roger that.

As our kind and beneficient host has so astutely noticed, I have been lurking. A lot. In fact i'm probably the least active player as of yet. This will change, I promise. On the topic of todays events: We managed to lynch the most active player, and arguably one of the most skillful players in this game. The upside of this: BC argued with a lot of people, and a lot of people were VERY persistent about getting him lynched. We've got plenty of discussion to read through and analyze based off of.

Some questions:

Kurumi, have you triggered your penalty, or does your role prohibit claiming?

Foolishness: Is your need to have tlpd in every post connected with your penalty? If so is it a punishment or preventative action?

again I apologize profusely to both the hosts and my fellow players about my total lack of activity.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 26 2011 23:37 GMT
#1226
On July 27 2011 08:26 Kurumi wrote:
Oh just kill me already because You arent even trying to focus

no kp bro. would if i could.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 27 2011 02:54 GMT
#1239
On July 27 2011 11:23 bumatlarge wrote:
Ok guys I just watched that last HP movie, I think I'm ready for this.

Our microcosm of the series ended a while ago.

Spoilers: + Show Spoiler +
Voldemort dies and he's a good guy. Harry may or may not have joined up woth the mob.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 27 2011 16:07 GMT
#1252
I'll say here that shooting me as a lurker would be perfectly reaonable given my previous activity, but it would be a mistake.

I really want to know what the hell is up with the TLPDizing of foolishness' posts, and why RedFF (and a few others, i think) have been doing it too?

I was against people fistpounding Palmar in PTP 1, and by the same vein, I'd advise against TLPDizing posts until we know Foolishness' alignment. He's not expressly asking for us to do it, but it's better safe than sorry.

Hey Kurumi, have you been told that you're going to die the night after this?
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 27 2011 16:10 GMT
#1254
Oh, and I predict a massive slowdown of the thread now that BC isn't arguing with everybody on the face of the earth.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 27 2011 16:52 GMT
#1259
On July 28 2011 01:24 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2011 01:23 Nisani201 wrote:
You didn't answer the question.

I just think I am a mole because it makes sense.

Could you answer my question instead please? It would be confirming a rather meaningless but enlightening suspicion of mine.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 27 2011 16:59 GMT
#1262
On July 28 2011 01:56 Kurumi wrote:
Why would I die Night 2? My role tells publicly role of one person I choose upon death.

thank you for clarifying. My suspicions were evidently incorrect.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 27 2011 17:11 GMT
#1264
On July 28 2011 02:04 redFF wrote:
I started tlpdizing my posts because it was fun and i never new you could just press the tlpd button and it would find player names in your post! I stopped now obviously, the nolvelty has worn off.

bullshit meter hitting max right now. Somebody check this guy please.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 27 2011 19:23 GMT
#1274
On July 28 2011 04:15 DropBear wrote:
Gah
every wednsday night i always end up at fucken bar1
its such a hole and i keep goin back
its so narby and close though can run home
fuxken brother is pusst always goes home early

2 of these millllarr dickheads are dead now
dt chek will be good in future yes?

friends don't let friends post drunk
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 27 2011 21:28 GMT
#1331
Lanaia who did you target yesterday, and what do they think is going to happen?

Day vig's please claim and let us discuss instead of shooting on a whim.

Damn, I thought the cycle changed at a totally different time. good to know.

Palmar how do you know that Mig shot Jackal?
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 27 2011 21:32 GMT
#1336
On July 28 2011 06:30 Palmar wrote:
magic

k cool. Batman, are you in this game too?
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 27 2011 21:38 GMT
#1341
k guys, I'm under penalty now, so there's no harm in claiming openly what I've been hinting: I made Lanaia's role. I want her to answer my question before I reveal more. My penalty affects my role and makes me rather useless now, so it's analysis only from this point on for me.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 27 2011 21:40 GMT
#1346
On July 28 2011 06:39 syllogism wrote:
"Fortunes got told, things got stolen, someone had a REALLY good night"

This obviously isn't just flavour

One of those things involves Lanaia, which is why I asked my question. to repeat it:

Lanaia, who did you target and what do they think will happen?
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 27 2011 22:45 GMT
#1387
k then i won't reveal any more of Lanaia's role, past her kp capabilities. No sane scum would kill RedFF last night, in my mind. Lanaia is not compulsive: On the contrary, she cannot shoot again until night three.

She has two shots.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 27 2011 22:50 GMT
#1391
On July 28 2011 07:47 heist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2011 07:45 Varpulis wrote:
k then i won't reveal any more of Lanaia's role, past her kp capabilities. No sane scum would kill RedFF last night, in my mind. Lanaia is not compulsive: On the contrary, she cannot shoot again until night three.

She has two shots.


"I won't reveal any more of her role." Proceeds to reveal more of her role.

hahaha

"...past her kp capabilities."

Those are important for people to know. The role has quite a bit more to it, in fact, that I'm not going to say because it'd ruin all the fun.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 27 2011 22:59 GMT
#1397
On July 28 2011 07:57 Curu wrote:
Who has the stone again? Someone claimed to have it IIRC.

Everybody who can use it is dead, so who cares?
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 27 2011 23:08 GMT
#1408
On July 28 2011 08:07 heist wrote:
Also, ON confirmed getting the wand.

I thought he gave it back...? Did he die before he could?
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 27 2011 23:11 GMT
#1415
inb4 curu is power crazed mafia [insert Harry Potter Character here]
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 27 2011 23:37 GMT
#1427
On July 28 2011 08:31 Curu wrote:
Is there a way to search for users on TL? I want to get Nisani's posts but trying to find one is godamn impossible.

click the magnifying glass on the search bar, switch the search type to content only, leave the search field blank, and put "Nisani201" in the username field, and change the order of the results to "Thread Creation Date." Setting the forum to Mafia is helpful too. Find this thread and bob's your uncle.

You could also find a post of his and click filter for all the posts in this thread (<3 Nazgul)
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 27 2011 23:43 GMT
#1429
On July 28 2011 08:38 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2011 08:32 heist wrote:
On July 26 2011 05:35 Foolishness wrote:
On July 26 2011 05:31 redFF wrote:
I (T)Really don't understand why you guys are arguing against a (P)free alignment (Z)Check.

Thanks for making me immune to death the rest of the game bro...I (T)Really appreciate it

That was an attempt to stop people from randomly putting in TLPD's in their posts. These are the same people that Fistpound Palmar and hand over items through PMs without giving it a second thought. Use your head; don't be in a (T)Fantasy world.

This man makes sense, I'd rather not lynch him. I'm not seeing how he's super scummy at all. If the only real argument is balance, it's not a good argument.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 28 2011 01:04 GMT
#1458
shit you kidding me? Either it's a penalty or we've got another fucking dayvig.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 28 2011 06:22 GMT
#1508
are you fucking serious. Another fucking dayvig shot? Either mafia is behind this or we have some REALLY retarded vigi's...

Goddammit STOP SHOOTING if you're town.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 28 2011 06:29 GMT
#1509
On July 28 2011 14:40 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Fuck me I hit Syllogism

wait what

Are you compulsive? Do you control your shot?
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 28 2011 16:12 GMT
#1569
On July 28 2011 20:34 Palmar wrote:
I watched/tracked jackal

Only mig visited him, I was hoping to confirm some vigilantes/dts and also to see who jackal visited.

But he just sat at home, I've poked deconduo for an explanation on how mafia kills work, or what the priority is.

I can confirm this.



The current events are confusing me greatly at the moment. Chaos13 does analysis, being practically the only person to do so, and amber decides to kill syllogism. Chaos13 was wrong.

wrong!=scum

Incidentally, there's no way that both amber and chaos are scum. one or neither of them could be, but not both, because killing the townie your teammate just made a case against is terrible terrible terrible
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 28 2011 16:30 GMT
#1572
On July 29 2011 01:24 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 01:12 Varpulis wrote:
On July 28 2011 20:34 Palmar wrote:
I watched/tracked jackal

Only mig visited him, I was hoping to confirm some vigilantes/dts and also to see who jackal visited.

But he just sat at home, I've poked deconduo for an explanation on how mafia kills work, or what the priority is.

I can confirm this.



The current events are confusing me greatly at the moment. Chaos13 does analysis, being practically the only person to do so, and amber decides to kill syllogism. Chaos13 was wrong.

wrong!=scum

Incidentally, there's no way that both amber and chaos are scum. one or neither of them could be, but not both, because killing the townie your teammate just made a case against is terrible terrible terrible


So where does that put Palmar?

being accusatory off of weak/bad evidence and tunneling. I'll go through his posts in a second, render a verdict.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 28 2011 16:40 GMT
#1573
Verdict: town

Palmar was against BC's lynch and pushing hard to get Jackal lynched all day 1. He's had some bad reads, and he's been a bit wishy washy ("sandroba is scum" ==> "sandroba's town now") but I'm getting an overall town vibe.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 28 2011 17:07 GMT
#1577
Nisani reeks of noobscum. He falsly contributes to seem active, jumps on bandwagons, spews bullshit, and makes bad arguments.

the trouble? He does this every game.

I honestly don't know. I would suggest a vig shot for safety, but we seem to have dayvig's with itchy trigger fingers, so i'll instead say DON'T FUCKING SHOOT ANYMORE
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 28 2011 17:15 GMT
#1578
actually, let's lynch him. Right now I don't see a much better target.

Why?

He posts nonsense:

On July 25 2011 10:48 Nisani201 wrote:
It doesn't matter if you give someone the elder wand anyways. For someone to properly use the elder wand, said person must kill its last owner. So ON would have to kill sandroba to use it.


On July 25 2011 10:56 Nisani201 wrote:
There is probably a Snape, and in that case we should wait the whole Harry Potter/Voldemort thing out until Snape claims.


On July 25 2011 11:00 Nisani201 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 10:59 redFF wrote:
On July 25 2011 10:56 Nisani201 wrote:
There is probably a Snape, and in that case we should wait the whole Harry Potter/Voldemort thing out until Snape claims.

Please tell me how you figure this...
there is probably also a Gellert Grindelwald, or perhaps a Rowena Ravenclaw, or maybe a Dobby! Unless you have some other reason to think that there is a snape.

I have no idea if there is a Snape. I could be completely wrong. It's entirely speculation.

scratch that, useless nonsense.

He's quick to make weak accusations and jumps on safe bandwagons:

On July 25 2011 12:27 Nisani201 wrote:
Ugh, first I have redFF being a hero in Vigi mafia and shooting someone in the first hour of vigi mafia, and now I have this?

Ugh, whatever. youngminii is probably scum, because he, you know, KILLED A TOWNIE ON THE SPOT.

##Vote youngminii

On July 26 2011 10:13 Nisani201 wrote:
BC is suspicious, but not just for trying to avoid an alignment check. This post I found particularly scummy:


Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 13:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What, the fuck is this shit? Multiple day 1 claims? people already lying. Day vig already shooting? The fuck is this shit. Purely for knowing better, and combination of a townie role designed around killing another player Jackal is now up for lynch.

Before anyone one goes "lets slow down here" He outright lied about his role, and we know based on a role flip that ON had a statement saying he was out to kill harry potter. As such the two should be opposite alignment, or at the very least, HP third party. As such he dies. We do not keep liars around, we do not keep people around who are on a quest to find bullshit items.

Also whoever made my role, go die in a fire.

##vote jackal58



The above post was extremely uninformed and looked like it was trying to start a bandwagon. That, in addition to the reasons I stated earlier in this post, I think that BC is the best lynch.

##Vote: Bloodyc0bbler


And he hasn't done shit, taken a side, or in fact made a single remotely helpful post all game.

##vote Nisani201
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 28 2011 17:20 GMT
#1581
On July 29 2011 02:17 sandroba wrote:
Can we concentrate on one person at a time? For now I sugest we keep our targets limited to foolishness and chaos13.

Nisani has the same number of votes as the two you proposed. why is he not a valid lynch/subject of discussion?

For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 28 2011 17:22 GMT
#1583
On July 29 2011 02:19 sandroba wrote:
Well I can see nisani being scum, but I really can't be sure. I'd much rather we lynched one of the above.

exactly my point. He's unreadable. I'd rather get rid of him now than when it's vital to nail scum. I don't trust the vigi's in this game anymore, so lynching is my only tool to do so.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 28 2011 19:09 GMT
#1611
On July 29 2011 03:46 Curu wrote:
Also, Varpulis why'd you disappear when I asked you if you'd prefer chaos or Foolishness?

I was doing other things. Foolishness.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 28 2011 19:17 GMT
#1618
On July 29 2011 04:15 Nisani201 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 04:12 sandroba wrote:
I've explained to people many times why you are mafia, but I'll sum it up nicely:

1)The only long posts you made so far is to defend yourself. You don't care for the discussion of who is or isn't mafia.

2)I'm not blaiming you for what's going bad, you are only doing your job. You want to look good when a mislynch happens, but not prevent it (BC's case). That's not what a townie cares about.

3)You lied in your defense to make yourself look better. You cast suspicion on kita when Jackals wagon was forming. But you did not commit to it. When asked if you wanted a check on kita you declined, even when town wasn't convinced he was scum. So really you didn't care about lynching scum, you only wanted jackal not being lynched.

4)You are not pressuring lurkers. You selectively only pressure the lurkers which turned out to be town.

5)You are distorting my actions to discredit me. I argued with BC because I disagreed with him, but I never voted for him or thought he was scum, until a DT, who was most likely town, came back with a red check. Despite that, I still tried to prevent his lynch, but it was too late.

To sum it up, your behaviour fits mafia goals perfectly, which is to survive, to not look suspicious and to dissuade town from lynching your fellow scum.

What the fuck? Points 1 and 3 are blatantly wrong. I never wrote a long post to defend myself, I've never mentioned kita at all in this thread, and I never lied to defend myself.

In fact, this post is so bullshit that I'm calling scum on you.

##Vote: sandroba

...he's talking about foolishness.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 29 2011 00:54 GMT
#1663
On July 29 2011 08:34 Lanaia wrote:
[b] I submit my kill during the day. However, it doesn't occur until the following night.

that is in fact how the role i made functions. She's not making up her role mechanics.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 29 2011 02:24 GMT
#1665
out of curiosity, what does "put a bisu in him" mean, apart from fulfilling your TLPD quota?
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 29 2011 02:46 GMT
#1669
On July 29 2011 11:26 chaos13 wrote:
Foolishness, I can't quite recall
if this has ever been addressed. Why exactly are you putting TLPD in all your posts?

Some shit to do with either his role or his penalty, maybe both. I think he hinted at it a while ago.

Or he's pulling a Drazerk and making it all up.
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 29 2011 04:12 GMT
#1672
On July 29 2011 12:57 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 11:42 chaos13 wrote:
On July 29 2011 11:35 bumatlarge wrote:
come on guys use that brain of yours, even if it isnt what you think you could just accuse foolishness of misleading hints!


???

I don't understand this post


Alright, I've been speculating. He started doing it with his first post, so I don't believe it's a penalty. Immediately I thought it was a "palmer bro-fist" situation, but when redff or whoever started TLPD'n everything, F said "thanks for infinite lives" which I've thought through and I'm 75% sure this was a white lie. Nothing wrong with hinting that you have vetty stuff me thinks, it's not consequential because if you dont have vet stuff, your dead, and if you do, then it doesn't change things.

Now I think he can state certain players to activate certain things. His first posts were all really obscure players who happened to have common words as their names. Later on, as in just recently, he started randomly saying the J-word (don think it matters if i dont TLPD-ize, or if us TLPDin anything actually does anything) and placing a B-word on people. I don't even want to quote foolish's stuff but its all there using filter. I think B is either a bomb or a check me thinks, he doesn't hide that hes referring to nisani.

I haven't made a role this game, but if I thought to utilize TLPD in my role, I'd do something similar to what I mentioned. Do you want us to try to figure out what you do exactly without inccurring your penalties or do you not want us to figure it out at all

A conspiracy involving the first letter of the TLPDized name?

Far out, but until we start seeing the results of these actions or can make logical correlations between unclaimed events (nobody claimed the hit on supersoft iirc) I wouldn't put any stock in it.
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 29 2011 04:18 GMT
#1673
ebwop: Yeah, I'm not buying it. He's used beesuit twice, so that's obviously not a trigger word, and he used MurDeR without any effect, which seems counter-intuitive.

Could we focus on analysis not random bullshit theories about Foolishness' role?
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 29 2011 15:52 GMT
#1685
On July 29 2011 21:11 chaos13 wrote:
I also still feel that we haven't pulled ourselves together enough. I'm still seeing a lot of random accusations that don't really have much force behind them. Yes, I'm aware that's what my post on Foolishness is like, but there have been enough people explaining why he is scummy that it would not do any good for me to repeat them again.

So here is how all accusations must be made in the future, in order to make things clear and understandable.

Player Name
Verdict:


Explanation and evidence. Quotes must be used here.

Player Name is mafia/town.

##Vote: Player Name


This will allow everyone to clearly see and understand what you are saying. This will provide us with stronger analysis and stronger reference after players flip. Of course this will only apply to the original accusation. If you're supporting someone else's, say so, but there is no need to go through this again.

If we're to do this, and I'm not so sure that we should, I'd suggest a more refined version, such as:

+ Show Spoiler +
PlayerName


I believe that PlayerName is scum, because...
  • point 1
  • point 2
  • point 3


<evidence for points 1,2,3, with quotes>

##vote PlayerName


It's not really necessary in any format though. If people make disorganized and bad accusatory posts, they're arguments won't paid attention to. It's the burden of the accuser to make a rational, well planned argument. The last thing we want is to allow the mafia to blend in, and restricting analysis to a specific format might achieve just that.
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 29 2011 16:11 GMT
#1690
On July 30 2011 00:52 Varpulis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 21:11 chaos13 wrote:
I also still feel that we haven't pulled ourselves together enough. I'm still seeing a lot of random accusations that don't really have much force behind them. Yes, I'm aware that's what my post on Foolishness is like, but there have been enough people explaining why he is scummy that it would not do any good for me to repeat them again.

So here is how all accusations must be made in the future, in order to make things clear and understandable.

Player Name
Verdict:


Explanation and evidence. Quotes must be used here.

Player Name is mafia/town.

##Vote: Player Name


This will allow everyone to clearly see and understand what you are saying. This will provide us with stronger analysis and stronger reference after players flip. Of course this will only apply to the original accusation. If you're supporting someone else's, say so, but there is no need to go through this again.

If we're to do this, and I'm not so sure that we should, I'd suggest a more refined version, such as:

+ Show Spoiler +
PlayerName


I believe that PlayerName is scum, because...
  • point 1
  • point 2
  • point 3


<evidence for points 1,2,3, with quotes>

##vote PlayerName


It's not really necessary in any format though. If people make disorganized and bad accusatory posts, their arguments won't be paid attention to. It's the burden of the accuser to make a rational, well planned argument. The last thing we want is to allow the mafia to blend in, and restricting analysis to a specific format might achieve just that.

trainwreck of grammatical mistakes

The Foolishness-is-godfather theory is an alluring one, going to give that some thought. I'll consider changing my vote if somebody can promise a vig hit on Nisani, because I don't want him to stick around.
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 29 2011 16:14 GMT
#1693
On July 30 2011 01:10 Curu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2011 01:02 sandroba wrote:
Afaik, godfather just changes your aligment to town, not your actual role. An easier explanation is that foolishness' role creator is also mafia.


This is what I thought too, but in TL Mafia apparently you can choose what you want to appear as as Godfather. Looking through a few old games, you pick what role you want to appear as as Godfather or you default to Vanilla Townie.

Yeah, but that's in a normal setup. Because roles and alignment are separate, I'd expect godfather would just have his alignment masked, not his role.
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 29 2011 16:18 GMT
#1694
Alright I'll bite then. Withholding information and inventing a post restriction don't sit well with me.

What do you guys think of asking foolishness/curu's role creator to claim to confirm this claim?

##unvote
##vote Foolishness
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 29 2011 16:24 GMT
#1697
On July 30 2011 01:20 Curu wrote:
Unless you think I'm insanely gambiting scum trying to get Foolishness mislynched, I have no reason to lie about my original role as Role Thief.

good point. if foolishness is scum, his role creator is too, otherwise they would have spoken up about his bullshit post restriction.
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 29 2011 17:33 GMT
#1712
On July 30 2011 02:24 bumatlarge wrote:
If you lynch foolishness he probably won't die, unless I'm being fooled. Hope I my penalty doesn't activate

explain.
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 29 2011 17:35 GMT
#1713
On July 26 2011 05:35 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 05:31 redFF wrote:
I (T)Really don't understand why you guys are arguing against a (P)free alignment (Z)Check.

Thanks for making me immune to death the rest of the game bro...I (T)Really appreciate it

^
bullshit, foolishness said so himself.

On July 28 2011 08:38 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2011 08:32 heist wrote:
On July 26 2011 05:35 Foolishness wrote:
On July 26 2011 05:31 redFF wrote:
I (T)Really don't understand why you guys are arguing against a (P)free alignment (Z)Check.

Thanks for making me immune to death the rest of the game bro...I (T)Really appreciate it

That was an attempt to stop people from randomly putting in TLPD's in their posts. These are the same people that Fistpound Palmar and hand over items through PMs without giving it a second thought. Use your head; don't be in a (T)Fantasy world.
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 29 2011 17:43 GMT
#1715
bum why did you make a statement without any evidence at all and then disappear without explaining anything?

Who did bum replace in for again?
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 29 2011 17:52 GMT
#1718
On July 30 2011 02:49 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2011 02:38 Kurumi wrote:
bumatlarge is useless in games lately


BWHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA this coming from kurumi. I'm doing what I can tell help us win. And that involves not claiming, so sue me.

How the fuck do you know that Foolishness is lynch immune. I'm not content with just "taking your word for it," I'd like some form of evidence.
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 29 2011 22:02 GMT
#1792
I'd accept a vig hit on Palmar. I had him pegged as town based off of his actions early on, but now I'm not so sure.

The following people get an FoS for defending Foolishness even after Curu's claim:

scumatlarge
DropBear
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 29 2011 22:04 GMT
#1794
btw guys I'm literally worthless role-wise this point. My penalty basically makes my role, which is information based, get bombarded with incorrect information.

Please protect somebody more valuable.
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 29 2011 22:13 GMT
#1803
On July 30 2011 07:11 Lanaia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2011 07:09 Curu wrote:
Yes, he was honest. I know this for a fact because of the state his role was in when I received it.


Okay.
Logically, the person who blocked him was town/third party. At least, that makes sense to me. Am I incorrect in my logic thus far?


or mafia/town/3rd party targeting heist. no way to tell unless the culprit claims, which would be pretty stupid.
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 29 2011 22:15 GMT
#1805
On July 30 2011 07:13 bumatlarge wrote:
Hey i never defended foolishness, I thought lynching him would bring a null result via heist but he corrected me.

fine then.

DropBear can make no such claim though, he made a huge post about why we should keep Foolish around.
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 29 2011 22:26 GMT
#1810
On July 30 2011 07:22 sandroba wrote:
Hey curu, mafia knows your role, could you claim for us?

I am not Kurumi, but I support this post as well.
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 30 2011 20:47 GMT
#1836
On July 31 2011 05:33 kitaman27 wrote:
It's as if the entire game has been silenced.

...
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 30 2011 22:27 GMT
#1885
@Palmar: did anybody other than Dropbear visit Chaos13?

@Sandroba: Is your PM circle by chance called a cult in any way shape or form? I don't care about properties, I don't need to know details, a yes or no will suffice for my purposes.

If I get the answers I'm looking for, I may have found scum (that completely useless role of mine isn't so useless after all)
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 30 2011 22:29 GMT
#1888
On July 31 2011 07:27 sandroba wrote:
You are Sauron's Ring
When someone targets you with a night action, they become a member of your cult, and join a PM circle with you and all other cult members. Once your cult has reached the maximum of 4 members, including yourself, you can choose to roleblock everyone in the cult in exchange for 1 KP.

dammit nevermind, false alarm. Did amber join the cult before he got killed?
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 30 2011 22:32 GMT
#1891
On July 31 2011 07:30 Lanaia wrote:
So should I also roleclaim, then?


no. Why do you need to?
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 30 2011 22:34 GMT
#1893
On July 31 2011 07:27 DropBear wrote:
I'm cool with Lanaia. And Palmar. And heist. And sandroba. And Curu. Maybe Amber. No idea about Kurumi.

Let's kill chaos, then I have unfinished business with evil kitaman.

The other person who has kind of irked me is Varpulis. He's much quieter than usual.

I was 100% afk day 1, with only 1 post, because i was doing other things and never found time for the game. I've since been very active, i'd say.
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 30 2011 22:39 GMT
#1897
On July 31 2011 07:37 sandroba wrote:
@Varpulis Nope, he did not. He was dead after all -_-

did he perform an action on you? Is there any way to know? iirc if you perform an action on the same night that you get hit, the action is still performed. Do people join your circle with the day post? I'm deliberating right now. I have pertinent information regarding Amber's killer if he didn't perform an action on you.
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 30 2011 22:46 GMT
#1907
to hell with it. I am the Ghost whisperer. I hear voices in the morning giving clues that could lead to the killer of those who died.

day two the only voice i heard said that a caped crusader visited Jackal. That pointed to palmar.

day two i went under penalty, which means that i hear more voices but most of them are lies.

last night, I heard:

-kitaman27 killed amber
-sandroba inducted amber into a cult
-amber visited chaos13

The third isn't true, palmar confirmed it a couple of posts above. I don't think that amber visited sandroba, which is the only way to get inducted into his cult, so that only leaves kita killing amber.

Kita, do you have something to tell us?
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 30 2011 22:47 GMT
#1908
btw if i share the information i have gained more than once, i loose my power for good.
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 30 2011 22:48 GMT
#1909
On July 31 2011 07:47 Varpulis wrote:
btw if i share the information i have gained more than once, i lose my power for good.

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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 30 2011 22:51 GMT
#1914
On July 31 2011 07:50 Lanaia wrote:
Varpulis, are you still receiving lies under your penalty?

2/3 of the messages i received last night were lies, deconduo said so himself, so yes, i'd say i am. Luckily i was able to eliminate the lies to deduce the truthful statement.
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 30 2011 22:57 GMT
#1917
On July 31 2011 07:54 Curu wrote:
Anyways, let's lynch kita first since it's confirmed he used a KP on Amber? We can hear what chaos's role is and what he did to sandroba from him.

exactly my line of thought.

##vote kitaman27
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 30 2011 23:04 GMT
#1922
On July 31 2011 08:01 sandroba wrote:
???
What? Chaos has unlimmited KP, don't you think it's wiser to kill him first?

potentially so does kita. He hasn't claimed yet, right?
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 30 2011 23:05 GMT
#1924
How's about one of those 12 dayvigs we seem to have kill one of them, and we'll lynch the other, or are all the dayvigs dead now?
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 30 2011 23:08 GMT
#1927
if the town consensus is to kill chaos, I'll consent, but I'd like to see a claim from kita. full transparency.
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 30 2011 23:18 GMT
#1935
@lanaia

either predict my or sandroba's imminent doom, or proclaim that the gods watch kita/chaos (whoever we don't lynch)

this will make sense when/if she claims.
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 30 2011 23:20 GMT
#1939
On July 31 2011 08:18 Varpulis wrote:
@lanaia

either predict my or sandroba's imminent doom, or proclaim that the gods watch the actions of kita/chaos (whoever we don't lynch)

this will make sense when/if she claims.

to clarify/remove ambiguity.
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 30 2011 23:22 GMT
#1943
On July 31 2011 08:21 Lanaia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 08:20 sandroba wrote:
@Lanaia Alright. If you have some sort of check use it on kita/palmar. Since you have no night actions as you claim either palmar is scum or you are SK. If you are town I would sugest you check palmar.


I have no checking powers.

role creator confirming that statement.
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 30 2011 23:31 GMT
#1953
lanaia, time to claim.

sandroba, note the word "crackpot"
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 30 2011 23:45 GMT
#1966
can lanaia change her prediction, and if so, may she use her kp again despite not using another ability in between, instead doing nothing yesterday?
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 30 2011 23:49 GMT
#1969
On July 31 2011 08:46 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 08:45 Varpulis wrote:
can lanaia change her prediction, and if so, may she use her kp again despite not using another ability in between, instead doing nothing yesterday?


Stop asking questions that rely on knowing information not publicly known

she just claimed. It is publicly known.
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 30 2011 23:52 GMT
#1971
lanaia, ask deconduo via PM.
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 30 2011 23:59 GMT
#1973
On July 31 2011 08:54 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 08:45 Lanaia wrote:
I didn't shoot kita because I was yelled at for my last kill.
I also believe we have a mafia roleblocker at this point seeing as there's not really another reason for me to have been blocked. Are we 100% sure kita is SK and not mafia?

Those were what ran through my mind.

There is pretty much no reason whatsoever for you to be roleblocked, since varpulis pretty much told the thread ytd that you had only day actions. The only reason I can Imagine is if you targeted drazerk with a kill. Also makes sense since there are so few kills today compared to night 1.

she can't use her killing power twice in a row.

She literally could not have targeted drazerk with kp yesterday.
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 31 2011 00:07 GMT
#1977
what do people think of mass claiming? At this point we have a lot of people claiming but so much unclaimed kp that i think we'd be able to isolate a lot of killing roles. at this point the only reason somebody would have not claimed a kill is if they were a serial killer or mafia, in my eyes at least.

At the very least, chaos13 and kitaman need to be fully transparent.
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 31 2011 00:12 GMT
#1979
On July 31 2011 09:03 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 08:59 Varpulis wrote:
On July 31 2011 08:54 sandroba wrote:
On July 31 2011 08:45 Lanaia wrote:
I didn't shoot kita because I was yelled at for my last kill.
I also believe we have a mafia roleblocker at this point seeing as there's not really another reason for me to have been blocked. Are we 100% sure kita is SK and not mafia?

Those were what ran through my mind.

There is pretty much no reason whatsoever for you to be roleblocked, since varpulis pretty much told the thread ytd that you had only day actions. The only reason I can Imagine is if you targeted drazerk with a kill. Also makes sense since there are so few kills today compared to night 1.

she can't use her killing power twice in a row.

She literally could not have targeted drazerk with kp yesterday.

Unless she is mafia or sk no?

correct. Deconduo has confirmed that mafia kills can be roleblocked though, and chaos13 tried to kill you last night, which could be the mafia kill. I highly doubt they have more than 1 kp left.

her being sk is rather likely, actually.
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 31 2011 00:30 GMT
#1981
On July 31 2011 09:12 bumatlarge wrote:
I roleblocked Lanaia last night because I think she is scum, and I shot mig yesterday because I thought he was scum. I didn't shoot again, because I messed up first night and I confirmed with decon that a roleblock would stop mafia hits. I see a severe lack of kills last night, but amber was definitly a scum hit. I shot mig because of how he jumped on BC, and I compared it to how he acted as town in AA, and I found them really different. But he wasn't so I'm not going to give excuses. Could have shot again, but I want to reset my pill.

"You are Alanis Morissette.

You made the most successful album of the 90's, congratulations!
At night, you can visit one person, this will leave them Starstruck. They will be role-blocked, and unable to vote the next day.

They will receive the message; You were roleblocked and you cannot vote today.

At night, you can also choose to take a Jagged Little Pill. If you do this, then at night, you will turn into Crazed Drug Fueled Alanis Morissette. As Crazed Drug Fueled Alanis Morissette you will turn up as mafia to alignment checks, and gain the power to kill someone that night. After a night of being Crazed Drug Fueled Alanis Morissette, you will not be able to post for the first 12 hours of the next day as you will be Passed Out.

If, after one night of being Crazy Drug Fueled Alanis Morissette, you decide to take another Jagged Little Pill, you can kill another person that night. You are passed out for 24 hours of the next day though, instead of 12, and will leave a clue to your identity as a killer in the day post.

If you decide to continue being Crazy Drug Fueled Alanis Morissette, everything will stay the same as the above paragraph except you also have a 50% chance to kill yourself instead. That will continue the same as long as you continue being Crazy Drug Fueled Alanis Morissette.

If you choose not to take a Jagged Little Pill for a night, the chain of effects from being Crazed Drug Fueled Alanis Morissette is reset."

I'm basically a CV with control. I'll start explaining why I think lanaia is scum in a bit. This is just to explain everything since you guys get something in your head and then revolve the day around it.

In case you hadn't noticed, we have confirmed that kitaman was the one who killed amber ("definitely a scum kill") and that chaos13 tried to kill sandroba.

one of those two is almost definitely scum, do we need a third person to debate about killing today?
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 31 2011 00:36 GMT
#1983
On July 31 2011 09:34 Curu wrote:
Why would you not tell us you can't vote today?

^

A rather good observation. Doesn't really fit in with scum or sk motives though (excuse to not take a side)
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 31 2011 01:57 GMT
#1998
##unvote kitaman27

I'll put my vote back on either chaos or kita when I've heard both of them claim or by this time tomorrow (roughly). If at that point only one has been cooperative, I will vote for the other.
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 31 2011 02:00 GMT
#1999
On July 31 2011 10:57 kitaman27 wrote:
First off, deconduo you jerk. Can't say I've ever been framed by a host before :p

Take it for what it's worth, but no I didn't not shoot Amber. I have no kp, nor do I have a kp role. I'll role claim if necessary, but not yet. For those who think I'm SK, do we really think the mafia didn't have a single shot go through last night? For those who think I'm scum, would tackster and Foolishness really try to push for my lynch day one, forcing me to submit to an alignment check? Keep in mind this alignment check would have revealed me as mafia OR SK. If I were either of them, there is no way I would submit to either, when there were like 2-3 votes on me.

Another thing to keep in mind. When we created our roles and penalties, they DID NOT go to the same person. That means the person who created Varp's role DID NOT create his penalty. How on earth would someone randomly create a penalty, guessing its for a dt type role.

sandroba, are you 100% denying that your "cult" with a confirmed kp was not responsible for the "sacrifice"? I'm not sure I buy that.

chaos, where are you? We need a role claim.

btw there's a chance that the person who made my role did make my penalty, misunderstanding the concept.

Jackal did not get modkilled for copy-pasting pms, does that means it's allowed?
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 31 2011 02:02 GMT
#2000
to extrapolate: the penalty was made to go in tandem with the role, and deconduo, instead of asking for a different penalty, just slapped it on me as it was for efficiency's sake.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 31 2011 02:31 GMT
#2009
Would anybody care to support those claims (creator of role, perhaps)
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 31 2011 02:35 GMT
#2013
On July 31 2011 11:32 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 11:31 Varpulis wrote:
Would anybody care to support those claims (creator of role, perhaps)


Heh to be honest, I thought you created it.

oh, my comment back there? the "..."? Not a breadcrumb, just a little quip (posting silence)

I can see where you came from with that thought though.

I'm willing to believe the claim for now because he crumbed before shit hit the fan and he was a major suspect.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 31 2011 02:38 GMT
#2018
btw i forgot a part of my claim, looking through the pm. It's going to sound fake as hell, I warn you.

From: deconduo [ 2723 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: PTP2 Role
Date: 7/25/11 08:52
"You are the Ghost Whisperer. At the end of each night cycle you will receive information from the newly departed. This may point to who killed them or not. It is up to you to decide. You will receive information for each person to die that night.
You may only share this information with town once. After you do the voices will stop.

In exchange for this ability the results of all investigations performed upon you will be determined randomly. You may appear as any role or any alignment.
Who listens to crazy people anyways."


Forgot to mention the italicized part.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 31 2011 02:42 GMT
#2020
On July 31 2011 11:39 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 11:38 sandroba wrote:
Can anyone confirm this? I really find it ulikely that someone made a role that only works for scum. The lack of fluf is very suspicious too =/


I did copy and paste my role pm about 15 seconds after you asked. Do you think I had it pre-written in case you asked me to re-post it? -_-

it doesn't take more than 15 seconds to write two sentences, but i'm not arguing that the role is fake. If you use it though, for any reason, we insta-lynch you. You understand that, surely.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 31 2011 02:56 GMT
#2025
alright. exact quote:
From: deconduo [ 2723 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: PTP 2
Date: 7/28/11 06:08
Someone was tracking Jackal when he died, possibly a caped crusader.


penalty pm:
From: deconduo [ 2723 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: PTP 2
Date: 7/28/11 06:35
You have activated your penalty!

You will recieve more voices, but only one will be truthful.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 31 2011 03:00 GMT
#2031
you'd like to argue with pms from the host?
From: deconduo [ 2723 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: PTP 2
Date: 7/31/11 05:53
3 ghostly voices call to you. At least one is telling the truth.

-kitaman27 killed amber
-sandroba inducted amber into a cult
-amber visited chaos13


I most likely will no longer hear voices, happy Curu? I legitimately forgot to add the second part because it was not relevant to my case against kita. I don't know why i didn't get super cryptic clues, nor can i explain the lack of messages regarding the other ~4 people that died night 1.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 31 2011 03:03 GMT
#2033
On July 31 2011 12:02 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 12:00 Varpulis wrote:
you'd like to argue with pms from the host?


Jackal/Sandroba already used that argument to try to get himself confirmed. Let's not post them since it is against the rules.

Jackal did not get modkilled. I'm calling it fair game. they can be easily tampered with, as jackal's case proves.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 31 2011 03:09 GMT
#2037
On July 31 2011 12:06 Curu wrote:
Jackal's case proved nothing, his role PM wasn't actually tampered with, just misguided flavour.

I don't understand why yours says:

You will receive information for each person to die that night.

Yet you only get information for one? Flavour is one thing, discrepancy between what the role says it does and what it actually does is a whole nother animal.


he posted fake alignment pms. thats tampering.

Ask deconduo, I don't know why I only got one. I'm pming him with questions as we speak.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 31 2011 03:13 GMT
#2040
btw curu if my role is so bullshit, please explain why i was asking so many questions about who visited chaos13, how sandroba's mason circle works, and this post:
On July 28 2011 06:32 Varpulis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2011 06:30 Palmar wrote:
magic

k cool. Batman, are you in this game too?

day 2. Asking about the caped crusader.

For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 31 2011 03:18 GMT
#2043
On July 31 2011 12:15 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 12:08 sandroba wrote:
Since there is a sacrificial role some non confirmed role is lying and thus must be mafia.


I'll happily mute you if you want me to confirm mine

Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 08:07 sandroba wrote:
We lynch kita tomorrow imo. People could even shoot him at night to confirm he's sk.


I initially missed this. Why on earth would you call for a vig shot to try to confirm a sk. Is this the Salem Witch Trials now? We throw me in a lake and if I drown, I'm innocent? Best case, you waste a town kp and have to lynch him anyways. Worst case, you just killed a townie.

Varp, you haven't really addressed curu's question. Where are your results for all the other deaths?

I don't have any. I don't know why. shot a pm to deconduo, waiting on the reply.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 31 2011 03:25 GMT
#2048
On July 31 2011 12:21 Curu wrote:
Out of the 3 roleclaims I think most likely to be fake (Palmar, chaos, Varpulis) and apparently have dead/MIA role creators, Palmar's is the most easily confirmable.

Varpulis's is the most convenient with its "oh I might actually show as any alignment so if I show red I'm not really lolz."

However with chaos/Palmar we have one of them straight up lying. Unless Palmar is for some reason willing to trade 1 for 1, I'm inclined to go with him for now.

I could also show any role.

Explain how i'm lying if a check returns red <any role other than mine>

On July 28 2011 06:32 Varpulis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2011 06:30 Palmar wrote:
magic

k cool. Batman, are you in this game too?

again, from day two. response to the only whisper i got that day, which referenced a "caped crusader"

Go ahead and check me. I welcome it. I feel that I've proven my role enough that another role could not explain my actions sufficiently.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 31 2011 03:26 GMT
#2050
I'd be willing to vote palmar. does somebody have the kp to kill chaos if palmar is town?
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 31 2011 03:32 GMT
#2056
bum has kp.

##vote palmar

For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 31 2011 03:44 GMT
#2062
On July 31 2011 12:39 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 12:37 sandroba wrote:
Kita, do you agree on targeting me this night?


If town agrees. The only problem is that I would essentially be your voice for the cycle. Are you willing to submit to that?

Who did you protect night one, chaos?

It's alright with me. i suggest somebody else join the circle tonight, so sand has access to his abilities. would anybody care to volunteer?
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 31 2011 03:56 GMT
#2067
On July 31 2011 12:53 sandroba wrote:
The only problem with this is only one scum kill at night, since noone else got hit.

What about the possibility that scum only has one mafia kp remaining, and they either don't have kp or it's on recharge?
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 31 2011 03:57 GMT
#2068
ebwop: they either don't have role based kp or it's on recharge/they've run out.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 31 2011 04:05 GMT
#2073
On July 31 2011 13:01 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 12:32 Varpulis wrote:
bum has kp.

##vote palmar



I'm so buff dude. I was considering just keeping quiet and shooting every night and screwing the consequences, but then that might make us lose if im off more then im right... the woes of a not-so-compulsive vigilante

hardcore, considering the 50% chance to shoot yourself on the third continuous night of shooting.
glad you decided against it. You'd be willing to shoot chaos13 if palmar flips town?
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 31 2011 04:08 GMT
#2075
sandroba, he is in your circle, no?

That means that either: roleblocked people visit without doing anything, or DropBear is scum.

Do roleblocked people still count as having visited the person they targeted
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 31 2011 04:33 GMT
#2086
On July 31 2011 13:28 Curu wrote:
And no one can claim to making the powers for Palmar, DropBear, kitaman, chaos, or Varpulis?

dead men tell no tales, unfortunately.

Lanaia, claim the entire role you made please.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 31 2011 05:36 GMT
#2093
On July 31 2011 14:13 heist wrote:
Sorry I've been busy somewhat. I find it hilarious that not one night DT check has come through while so many people have died from day vigs.

With so many claims scattered throughout I found it helpful to compile. This is the claim list for the night (if i can get curu and drazerk that would be great):

sandroba- no action; visited only by chaos
palmar - watched/tracked chaos. (chaos tried to kill sandroba. DB roleblock chaos)
DB- roleblock chaos
chaos - protect sandroba
bumatlarge- roleblock lanaia
lanaia - no action; roleblocked
varpulis - no action (*prophecy)
kurumi - no action
heist - no action
kita- no action
drazerk-
curu -

*Prophecy: (one of them is true)
1. kitaman killed amber (kita says is lie)
2. sandroba induct amber (sandroba says is lie)
3. amber visited chaos (Palmar says is lie)
(4. vapulis is lying about everything)


ACCOUNTABILITY

Palmar is lying or Chaos is lying.
Kita is lying or Palmar is lying (I trust sandroba) unless varpulis is lying.


i like the hidden option 4. :/

I don't think it's convenience that both accountability problems are solved if palmar is lying.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 31 2011 08:08 GMT
#2106
I'd like to hear an explanation for that as well. The role never mentions KP until it wants you to exchange it for roleblocks. Makes very little sense from two perspectives:

1. The thought process of making the role. If it's a kp role, kp is a main part of the role. You don't just tack on kp as an afterthought

2. how such a vague and poorly explained role passed muster and wasn't edited by the hosts.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 31 2011 10:56 GMT
#2109
breaking news from deconduo: The reason that i only got 1 whisper day 2 was because, and i quote "the other ghosts decided to be silent."
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 31 2011 17:12 GMT
#2146
On August 01 2011 02:06 Pandain wrote:
I agree

A wild Pandain appears!
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
July 31 2011 18:21 GMT
#2159
On August 01 2011 03:05 Curu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2011 02:03 Kurumi wrote:
On August 01 2011 01:43 Curu wrote:
chaos and Lanaia roleblocked last night, must be at least 1 missing KP from that pair. Mafia/SK can't suddenly have dropped to 1 KP, especially considering none of their currently dead roles actually had extra KP.

there is no sk
there is no more kp
scum have 1 kp
there are 2 scum
start thinking god damnit


If you think this why is your vote on chaos? He was roleblocked last night but a KP still went through. If your setup guess is correct and Varpulis isn't BSing then kitaman must be the last Mafia.

There's a third possibility though: Amber visited sandroba but didn't get inducted into the pm circle because he died the same night, but somehow still counted as having joined the cult. If roleblocks allow people to still visit, I don't doubt that that's possible.

kita proves his role by silencing sandroba, but i can say nothing about his alignment. Him being mafia wouldn't make very much sense to me, because all the dead scum were very insistent on getting him lynched/checked.

There's a contradiction between Palmar and chaos13's reports of last night's actions, so one of them must be mafia. If by some wild circumstance neither of them is red/we have another mafia left, kitaman would be a valid target.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 01 2011 02:29 GMT
#2189
On August 01 2011 10:13 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2011 10:07 kitaman27 wrote:
On August 01 2011 08:57 sandroba wrote:
Look, this shit is bugging me imensely. If foolishness got his role stolen by someone no in his team, why wouldn't he claim? Not claiming when he knew some townie had his role is very risky. He did claim roleblock. Also why would curu push for nisani/chaos instead of foolishness early on in the day when he knew foolishness was bullshitting about his post restriction?
A more reasonable explanation would be foolishness was role thief all along and was roleblocked and unable to steal someone's role and they siezed the oppotunity to buy some town cred for curu, who was wheel of time all along.


Seems to me you are overthinking things. If curu wasn't the original role theif, than his role creator could have counter-claimed by now, unless all three of them we're scum buddies. You've flipped between Palmar and chaos a bunch of times in the last 24 hours. Mind explaining your thought process?


1) the role creator might be dead
2) They very easily could all be scum
3) Palmar + chaos are both scum it's picking which one you want dead in my opinion I see no issue with people switching between them

umm if they're both scum then their stories would match up. 1 of them is scum, not both.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 01 2011 03:06 GMT
#2207
On August 01 2011 11:56 sandroba wrote:
Yes, Eiii did send out the aligment pms, but if you copy/pasted it from your pm inbox, "Original Message From Eiii:" would not appear.

yes it would. let me give an example. This is a screenshot of a totally non-game related pm conversation: (from a conversation with iGrok about Paranoid mafia, which i cohosted)[image loading]
Curu isn't bullshitting about that, at least.

sandroba, stop overthinking things. Curu getting Foolishness killed was one of the most pro-town actions thus far, imo.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 01 2011 21:24 GMT
#2236
Well, we've killed a mafia but the game is still going. Time to shoot kita.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 03 2011 01:04 GMT
#2523
Alright, If I share my info again i stop hearing voices. Has anybody not activated their penalty?
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 03 2011 03:14 GMT
#2529
hi palmar. I voted for you yesterday, didn't i?

Deja vu, huh?
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 03 2011 15:20 GMT
#2561
On August 04 2011 00:00 Curu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2011 23:50 Kurumi wrote:
On August 03 2011 23:43 Curu wrote:
So where'd his other KP go last night then?

He purposely didn't shoot Palmar so we would lynch him? That was just going to get bum killed as soon as Palmar flips anything not scum then. Only way it makes sense is if they were both scum and bum was trying to bus Palmar, but then you should have no problem with lynching Palmar anyways.

lanaia protected sandroba
bum doublestacked sandroba because he was a mason


Lanaia's protect was for this night, not the previous night. So no, sandroba wasn't protected.

A bit of a screw up in writing the role but correct. Lanaia's medic ability goes into effect the second night after she starts it.

Lanaia, use your kp today.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 04 2011 09:26 GMT
#2575
Palmar, if your gameplan now is to try to look so scummy that you can't possibly be scum, a la Kurumi, I'm afraid it will slightly less effective than you likely hoped.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 04 2011 17:33 GMT
#2579
so, is there anybody with a functional next-night medic protect so that youngminii isn't dead the moment he comes back?
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 04 2011 17:38 GMT
#2581
On August 05 2011 02:34 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2011 02:33 Varpulis wrote:
so, is there anybody with a functional next-night medic protect so that youngminii isn't dead the moment he comes back?

it is Your damn fucking fault You're not lynching scum with 2kp but a 4th party I hope he dies

woah man, chill out.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 05 2011 01:48 GMT
#2668
I'll join Kurumi's extremist "speed up the cycle" campaign.

Endgame PTP is always boring because of the large number of confirmed townies/detective/vigis who can simply clean house and win with pure numbers.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 06 2011 20:25 GMT
#2782
kurumi if I claim voices again I lose them. Kita or bum is scum, I'll explain when I'm not posting from a friends phone.

voted bum
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 06 2011 23:25 GMT
#2857
I'll claim all voices after the night when i receive the voices for whoever dies.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but the hit on heist was unclaimed?

If so, please kill drazerk. I'll explain in 24 hours.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 07 2011 15:59 GMT
#2864
bro if your town lie down and die. Town's goal is to eliminate all anti town forces, not survive 'till the end. isn't a 1 for 1 trade worth it?

I think your scum anyways though. could i request a medic protect, if one still exists? haven't been keeping track of roles as much as i should, but i believe that the information i have now from my role could win us the game.

Kill Drazerk. If drazerk flips town lynch dropbear.

I will explain when the day comes, so that i can get one last whisper before the voices go away.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 07 2011 18:51 GMT
#2934
w00t we won.

See guys, i wasn't bullshitting about my incredibly convenient role.

so amber did visit sandro the night he died?

For fun, the super important info that i was promising come morning was this:

-kita killed heist
-dropbear killed heist
-drazerk killed heist

one was true. kita was dead and drazerk seemed more like scum than dropbear.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 09 2011 16:15 GMT
#2962
On August 10 2011 00:21 Jackal58 wrote:
I hope you enjoyed your role Varpulis.
Who the fuck makes Harry Potter scum??????


I did indeed Jackal. A bit really evil with the random result from dt checks though. Would have been hell trying to explain myself if a dt actually checked me.

Deconduo, if you end up making linked roles again, put them on the same team and just watch the clusterfuck unfold.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
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