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redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
July 25 2011 20:34 GMT
#681
I think I'(T)M going to (T)Start tlpd'izing all of my posts this iS so (P)COol lol.






(P)Bisu
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 25 2011 20:34 GMT
#682
I suppose BC could also have a role that involves getting people to quote him
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
July 25 2011 20:35 GMT
#683
On July 26 2011 05:31 redFF wrote:
I (T)Really don't understand why you guys are arguing against a (P)free alignment (Z)Check.

Thanks for making me immune to death the rest of the game bro...I (T)Really appreciate it
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
July 25 2011 20:35 GMT
#684
On July 26 2011 05:30 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 05:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On July 26 2011 05:19 sandroba wrote:
BC, do you have any doubts that his power is an aligment check? Do you think DropBear is lying and got a penalty on purpose just to out his own teamate and also endangered him of being lynch fucks for kicks? No. They can't both be mafia, so his role does indeed provide an aligment check and that's it. I'm not giving it the freedom so whoever wants to be checked can do it. I'm asking for a check on kita. If he fails to comply we lynch him. That simple. Even if supersoft is scum how does an aligment check helps him? It does not, it can only have potencial of helping us if he's town. Also if someone flips and he said his aligment wrong, there we got him. What's the downside to this?


if he is red, all checks reveal town maybe sks reveal third party. He just wouldn't out his team. So your idea of reversing all his checks is dumb, its not even guarenteed a red is ever checked by his alignment as they would have no need to participate.

Also, lynching a player based on not participating in a plan that cannot be confirmed without other players using powers / the user of said original power dying is dumb. Kita asked questions, perhaps that is a posting restriction.

Foolishness is using a ton of TLPD in his posts, perhaps that is his posting restriction.

We also have players who were using day vig powers. We have players who on day 1 were calling for people to use day vig powers. We have enough scummy, suspect play on day 1 already. How about we sit back and play normally instead of hoping our trust is rewarded. Luck should not be a factor in how we proceed if its not backed by solid analysis or very very very solidly made plan that has a near 0% chance of failure.


Are you allowed to claim your post restriction BC? Because this is getting annoying. Where did I sugest we reverse his checks? Also how do you propose we do analysis when *anything* can be a post restriction acording to you? I'm done arguing with you, you don't make any sense.





I could claim it yes, I opt not to. You may ask me why? Simple. It doesn't benefit the town at this point where it benefits mafia / third parties extremely.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
July 25 2011 20:36 GMT
#685
On July 26 2011 05:34 syllogism wrote:
I suppose BC could also have a role that involves getting people to quote him


I wish.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
July 25 2011 20:40 GMT
#686
On July 26 2011 05:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 05:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On July 26 2011 04:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On July 26 2011 04:52 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
So you're saying not to use a day DT check on a potential lynch target, on the off-chance that he might be an SK and get town-cred? Also, how exactly do we confirm him besides killing him? Sounds like rather bad reasoning, to me.


use a dt check on SS first. Don't trust someone whos suspect to give real feedback. Make him earn his damn check. You do not reward roleclaimers ffs.


How contradictory. You think that having SS use his rolecheck is rewarding him (not town, just him) for roleclaiming, but then say we should wait for another DT to check supersoft to confirm him as town or not. Here's how that fails:

-Framers
-Fake DT claim to take out Day DT
-Continual Role block after today on SS
-Having to have an actual DT claim to confirm him

So, you don't want to reward roleclaimers, but then want another DT to claim to confirm a known DT, who's alignment is unknown? That makes no sense at all.

The best thing to do, is to use his check, and have him announce his result to town. The catch is we don't act just based on his check. We can check a lynch candidate if we want, but that gets dangerous if he's scum, though another 1-1 trade wouldn't be that bad. The other thing we do is check someone suspicious, who isn't necessarily getting lynched today and having him announce his check, and just leave it until we can confirm him. Then if he gets popped, we know all his checks and results, and if we can act on them, and if he gets confirmed another way, well we know all his results too.

I'd actually suggest checking you or DB, and then leaving it for now.

As well, why would we check people asking to be checked, and why would anyone be dumb enough to ask for a DT check on them without already being suspicious anyways? If they're asking to be checked, they're town or a covered role. Town wouldn't want to waste a DT check on themselves, as compared to suspicious people. Use the tool to hunt mafia, not to confirm town. An innocent check doesn't prove innocence, but the only way we're getting a red check back at this point is millers or a day-framer. Day 1 has the least chance of anything interfering with the check, and is the best time to use it. I'd rather have 1 check in, than have none and SS gets shot tonight.


Check the bolded part. In almost every case of someone asking or begging for a dt check they are town or covered role. Most people do this to confirm themselves and thus starting a blue circle that can rofl stomp mafia. It is very common practice for people to want to be cleared as to move through a game with 0 harassment from anyone. No mafia would willingly throw himself up for a dt check as it would screw him in the end. You say no townie would want it used on them, but that would again, leave you a pool of 0 people to check. you are then down to the idea of "we want you checked you let yourself get checked or lynched" which is a horrible way to play.

Seriously, you all are talking about role use being the huge factor in catching people. I now say, everyone go back read pick your power 3 and realize playing lets analyze roles, or someones role means they are legit, etc.... and realize roles do not say shit about the players alignment. Who cares if SS's check is an alignment check if you don't know his alignment. Have a watcher/tracker check him. If he visits anyone at night at this point in time he is mafia. have a dt check him. Dt's could breadcrumb results, or the like. Seriously, before a plan is proposed you sort it out, you make it ideal, you account for multiple situations. So far the only situation proposed by you lot is SS is likely town for shooting a red. Likely town does not mean town.


What? So, instead of using a check, and just leaving it, until we have a second DT out themselves or breadcrumb and die, you're saying never use the check? Did I understand that correctly? Please tell me how what you're trying to say is optimal play. How is not having a check better than having one?

The only situation proposed by you, is that we don't use the check at all. That's asking a claimed and outed DT to not check people or reveal his checks, until another DT checks him. In what world does that make sense?

Ask yourself how you would play this out in a normal game. If a DT claimed, would you ask him to not check anyone until another DT checked him and claimed it? That sounds really dumb to me.
you gotta dance
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
July 25 2011 20:41 GMT
#687
This isn't a "normal" game wiggles...far from (T)Reality.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 25 2011 20:42 GMT
#688
It is stated in the OP that post restrictions are not allowed. Does that rule stand?
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 25 2011 20:42 GMT
#689
On July 26 2011 05:41 Foolishness wrote:
This isn't a "normal" game wiggles...far from (T)Reality.

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heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
July 25 2011 20:43 GMT
#690
You can loophole that by making your powers conditional to the posting restriction, making it optional.
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
July 25 2011 20:43 GMT
#691
STOP DROP AND ROLL.

DropBear's version is clearly not right (not saying he's lying, just that it was modified by host). Tackster copied supersoft's role but we didn't get any PM when Tackster killed YM. It makes no sense for supersoft to be Mafia because if he was, he would just claim that yes he did kill YM and could provide his reasoning for it. Tackster goes safe, supersoft probably goes safe too, he had no reason to shoot Tackster if he was Mafia. If he's a 3rd then putting an alignment check in his hands, who gives a crap?

BloodyCobbler, WHY ARE YOU ARGUING AGAINST AN ALIGNMENT CHECK? The only people this hurts are Mafia and 3rd Parties. Why does Town care if they get checked and it reveals Town? Because it makes them confirmed Town so they must die? LOOOOOL. So not having confirmed Towns is somehow better than having confirmed Towns? It's not like confirming someone gives Mafia an extra KP that they can use just to kill that person. And yes, we DO control the power because we pick who quotes supersoft. Refuse and you get lynched and the next suspect quotes him, it doesn't create a clusterfuck in any way. People are not volunteering to be checked, we are making them get checked. I don't see any way you can reasonably not want to have a free alignment check if you are Town.

ALSO:

Other Rules
No VI type roles. No post restrictions. These might seem amausing but are just irritating to deal with. Role that rely on randomness or coin tosses should be avoided if possible, but aren't banned.


dec, does this mean there are no natural post restrictions in this game? Natural as in not-penalty

Let's look at all the people flying under the radar too under disguise of this shitstorm and not contributing any opinions.

Nisani201
Drazerk
Mr. Wiggles
ketomai
Foolishness - actually here but being useless
Mig
Lanaia

What are your thoughts about recent events?

##Vote: BloodyC0bbler



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redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
July 25 2011 20:44 GMT
#692
On (Z)July 26 2011 05:35 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On (Z)July 26 2011 05:31 redFF wrote:
I (T)Really don't understand why you guys are arguing against a free alignment (Z)Check.

Thanks for making me immune to death the rest of the game bro...I (T)Really appreciate it

well now im (T)Really confused...
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
July 25 2011 20:44 GMT
#693
On July 26 2011 05:40 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 05:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On July 26 2011 05:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On July 26 2011 04:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On July 26 2011 04:52 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
So you're saying not to use a day DT check on a potential lynch target, on the off-chance that he might be an SK and get town-cred? Also, how exactly do we confirm him besides killing him? Sounds like rather bad reasoning, to me.


use a dt check on SS first. Don't trust someone whos suspect to give real feedback. Make him earn his damn check. You do not reward roleclaimers ffs.


How contradictory. You think that having SS use his rolecheck is rewarding him (not town, just him) for roleclaiming, but then say we should wait for another DT to check supersoft to confirm him as town or not. Here's how that fails:

-Framers
-Fake DT claim to take out Day DT
-Continual Role block after today on SS
-Having to have an actual DT claim to confirm him

So, you don't want to reward roleclaimers, but then want another DT to claim to confirm a known DT, who's alignment is unknown? That makes no sense at all.

The best thing to do, is to use his check, and have him announce his result to town. The catch is we don't act just based on his check. We can check a lynch candidate if we want, but that gets dangerous if he's scum, though another 1-1 trade wouldn't be that bad. The other thing we do is check someone suspicious, who isn't necessarily getting lynched today and having him announce his check, and just leave it until we can confirm him. Then if he gets popped, we know all his checks and results, and if we can act on them, and if he gets confirmed another way, well we know all his results too.

I'd actually suggest checking you or DB, and then leaving it for now.

As well, why would we check people asking to be checked, and why would anyone be dumb enough to ask for a DT check on them without already being suspicious anyways? If they're asking to be checked, they're town or a covered role. Town wouldn't want to waste a DT check on themselves, as compared to suspicious people. Use the tool to hunt mafia, not to confirm town. An innocent check doesn't prove innocence, but the only way we're getting a red check back at this point is millers or a day-framer. Day 1 has the least chance of anything interfering with the check, and is the best time to use it. I'd rather have 1 check in, than have none and SS gets shot tonight.


Check the bolded part. In almost every case of someone asking or begging for a dt check they are town or covered role. Most people do this to confirm themselves and thus starting a blue circle that can rofl stomp mafia. It is very common practice for people to want to be cleared as to move through a game with 0 harassment from anyone. No mafia would willingly throw himself up for a dt check as it would screw him in the end. You say no townie would want it used on them, but that would again, leave you a pool of 0 people to check. you are then down to the idea of "we want you checked you let yourself get checked or lynched" which is a horrible way to play.

Seriously, you all are talking about role use being the huge factor in catching people. I now say, everyone go back read pick your power 3 and realize playing lets analyze roles, or someones role means they are legit, etc.... and realize roles do not say shit about the players alignment. Who cares if SS's check is an alignment check if you don't know his alignment. Have a watcher/tracker check him. If he visits anyone at night at this point in time he is mafia. have a dt check him. Dt's could breadcrumb results, or the like. Seriously, before a plan is proposed you sort it out, you make it ideal, you account for multiple situations. So far the only situation proposed by you lot is SS is likely town for shooting a red. Likely town does not mean town.


What? So, instead of using a check, and just leaving it, until we have a second DT out themselves or breadcrumb and die, you're saying never use the check? Did I understand that correctly? Please tell me how what you're trying to say is optimal play. How is not having a check better than having one?

The only situation proposed by you, is that we don't use the check at all. That's asking a claimed and outed DT to not check people or reveal his checks, until another DT checks him. In what world does that make sense?

Ask yourself how you would play this out in a normal game. If a DT claimed, would you ask him to not check anyone until another DT checked him and claimed it? That sounds really dumb to me.


In a normal game, on day 1, if someone claimed dt and said x was red, I would kill the dt first. Every time.

In a setup where mafia, third parties, or town can be a dt, I will never trust the claimant ever on day 1. Nor should anyone else.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
July 25 2011 20:45 GMT
#694
On July 26 2011 05:42 sandroba wrote:
It is stated in the OP that post restrictions are not allowed. Does that rule stand?


Some people may have added some minor ones, and I may have let them slide. Maybe.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 25 2011 20:47 GMT
#695
Hey my addicted bodyguard, don't leave me hanging! I need Your help Broberto!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
July 25 2011 20:48 GMT
#696
Also I stand by my decision about the stone at least night 1.

At this point, I am just completely uncertain about jackal. If we are willing to give jackal the benefit of the doubt, don't leave him completely powerless. Give him the stone. How does this help mafia night 1? No townies should be shooting each other in the night at this point. Mafia can not predict who the SK will be killing.

If we are willing to trust him enough to not kill him, the stone has a lot of upside for town if jackal is town and very miniscule downside if he's mafia. We can always force him to give it back after night 1.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
July 25 2011 20:50 GMT
#697
On July 26 2011 05:48 heist wrote:
Also I stand by my decision about the stone at least night 1.

At this point, I am just completely uncertain about jackal. If we are willing to give jackal the benefit of the doubt, don't leave him completely powerless. Give him the stone. How does this help mafia night 1? No townies should be shooting each other in the night at this point. Mafia can not predict who the SK will be killing.

If we are willing to trust him enough to not kill him, the stone has a lot of upside for town if jackal is town and very miniscule downside if he's mafia. We can always force him to give it back after night 1.


Town shouldn't have been shooting town only a few hours into day 1 either yet it still happened. Just because you hope something won't happen doesn't mean it wont. Keep in mind townies don't know who other townies are.

If your hesitant about someones alignment and you know they for the most part are powerless and as of now only have a mason role, why the hell wouldn't you keep them having a mason role. That is powerful enough without making someone a med / immune to death / kp role. Also by restricting what his powers are if he is town he is not as threatening a target as someone else.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
July 25 2011 20:51 GMT
#698
On July 26 2011 05:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 05:40 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On July 26 2011 05:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On July 26 2011 05:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On July 26 2011 04:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On July 26 2011 04:52 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
So you're saying not to use a day DT check on a potential lynch target, on the off-chance that he might be an SK and get town-cred? Also, how exactly do we confirm him besides killing him? Sounds like rather bad reasoning, to me.


use a dt check on SS first. Don't trust someone whos suspect to give real feedback. Make him earn his damn check. You do not reward roleclaimers ffs.


How contradictory. You think that having SS use his rolecheck is rewarding him (not town, just him) for roleclaiming, but then say we should wait for another DT to check supersoft to confirm him as town or not. Here's how that fails:

-Framers
-Fake DT claim to take out Day DT
-Continual Role block after today on SS
-Having to have an actual DT claim to confirm him

So, you don't want to reward roleclaimers, but then want another DT to claim to confirm a known DT, who's alignment is unknown? That makes no sense at all.

The best thing to do, is to use his check, and have him announce his result to town. The catch is we don't act just based on his check. We can check a lynch candidate if we want, but that gets dangerous if he's scum, though another 1-1 trade wouldn't be that bad. The other thing we do is check someone suspicious, who isn't necessarily getting lynched today and having him announce his check, and just leave it until we can confirm him. Then if he gets popped, we know all his checks and results, and if we can act on them, and if he gets confirmed another way, well we know all his results too.

I'd actually suggest checking you or DB, and then leaving it for now.

As well, why would we check people asking to be checked, and why would anyone be dumb enough to ask for a DT check on them without already being suspicious anyways? If they're asking to be checked, they're town or a covered role. Town wouldn't want to waste a DT check on themselves, as compared to suspicious people. Use the tool to hunt mafia, not to confirm town. An innocent check doesn't prove innocence, but the only way we're getting a red check back at this point is millers or a day-framer. Day 1 has the least chance of anything interfering with the check, and is the best time to use it. I'd rather have 1 check in, than have none and SS gets shot tonight.


Check the bolded part. In almost every case of someone asking or begging for a dt check they are town or covered role. Most people do this to confirm themselves and thus starting a blue circle that can rofl stomp mafia. It is very common practice for people to want to be cleared as to move through a game with 0 harassment from anyone. No mafia would willingly throw himself up for a dt check as it would screw him in the end. You say no townie would want it used on them, but that would again, leave you a pool of 0 people to check. you are then down to the idea of "we want you checked you let yourself get checked or lynched" which is a horrible way to play.

Seriously, you all are talking about role use being the huge factor in catching people. I now say, everyone go back read pick your power 3 and realize playing lets analyze roles, or someones role means they are legit, etc.... and realize roles do not say shit about the players alignment. Who cares if SS's check is an alignment check if you don't know his alignment. Have a watcher/tracker check him. If he visits anyone at night at this point in time he is mafia. have a dt check him. Dt's could breadcrumb results, or the like. Seriously, before a plan is proposed you sort it out, you make it ideal, you account for multiple situations. So far the only situation proposed by you lot is SS is likely town for shooting a red. Likely town does not mean town.


What? So, instead of using a check, and just leaving it, until we have a second DT out themselves or breadcrumb and die, you're saying never use the check? Did I understand that correctly? Please tell me how what you're trying to say is optimal play. How is not having a check better than having one?

The only situation proposed by you, is that we don't use the check at all. That's asking a claimed and outed DT to not check people or reveal his checks, until another DT checks him. In what world does that make sense?

Ask yourself how you would play this out in a normal game. If a DT claimed, would you ask him to not check anyone until another DT checked him and claimed it? That sounds really dumb to me.


In a normal game, on day 1, if someone claimed dt and said x was red, I would kill the dt first. Every time.

In a setup where mafia, third parties, or town can be a dt, I will never trust the claimant ever on day 1. Nor should anyone else.


Ok, so where's the part where we're trusting him by having him use a check on an agreed upon target? That's what I'm wondering about. You're saying that by letting him check, we're implicitly trusting him to be town, but that is not the case. We can let him sit in unconfirmed limbo for now, but why not use his check? It doesn't hurt us to use his check, the same way that killing the DT actually tells us whether the check is true or not.
you gotta dance
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
July 25 2011 20:52 GMT
#699
On July 26 2011 05:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 05:40 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On July 26 2011 05:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On July 26 2011 05:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On July 26 2011 04:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On July 26 2011 04:52 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
So you're saying not to use a day DT check on a potential lynch target, on the off-chance that he might be an SK and get town-cred? Also, how exactly do we confirm him besides killing him? Sounds like rather bad reasoning, to me.


use a dt check on SS first. Don't trust someone whos suspect to give real feedback. Make him earn his damn check. You do not reward roleclaimers ffs.


How contradictory. You think that having SS use his rolecheck is rewarding him (not town, just him) for roleclaiming, but then say we should wait for another DT to check supersoft to confirm him as town or not. Here's how that fails:

-Framers
-Fake DT claim to take out Day DT
-Continual Role block after today on SS
-Having to have an actual DT claim to confirm him

So, you don't want to reward roleclaimers, but then want another DT to claim to confirm a known DT, who's alignment is unknown? That makes no sense at all.

The best thing to do, is to use his check, and have him announce his result to town. The catch is we don't act just based on his check. We can check a lynch candidate if we want, but that gets dangerous if he's scum, though another 1-1 trade wouldn't be that bad. The other thing we do is check someone suspicious, who isn't necessarily getting lynched today and having him announce his check, and just leave it until we can confirm him. Then if he gets popped, we know all his checks and results, and if we can act on them, and if he gets confirmed another way, well we know all his results too.

I'd actually suggest checking you or DB, and then leaving it for now.

As well, why would we check people asking to be checked, and why would anyone be dumb enough to ask for a DT check on them without already being suspicious anyways? If they're asking to be checked, they're town or a covered role. Town wouldn't want to waste a DT check on themselves, as compared to suspicious people. Use the tool to hunt mafia, not to confirm town. An innocent check doesn't prove innocence, but the only way we're getting a red check back at this point is millers or a day-framer. Day 1 has the least chance of anything interfering with the check, and is the best time to use it. I'd rather have 1 check in, than have none and SS gets shot tonight.


Check the bolded part. In almost every case of someone asking or begging for a dt check they are town or covered role. Most people do this to confirm themselves and thus starting a blue circle that can rofl stomp mafia. It is very common practice for people to want to be cleared as to move through a game with 0 harassment from anyone. No mafia would willingly throw himself up for a dt check as it would screw him in the end. You say no townie would want it used on them, but that would again, leave you a pool of 0 people to check. you are then down to the idea of "we want you checked you let yourself get checked or lynched" which is a horrible way to play.

Seriously, you all are talking about role use being the huge factor in catching people. I now say, everyone go back read pick your power 3 and realize playing lets analyze roles, or someones role means they are legit, etc.... and realize roles do not say shit about the players alignment. Who cares if SS's check is an alignment check if you don't know his alignment. Have a watcher/tracker check him. If he visits anyone at night at this point in time he is mafia. have a dt check him. Dt's could breadcrumb results, or the like. Seriously, before a plan is proposed you sort it out, you make it ideal, you account for multiple situations. So far the only situation proposed by you lot is SS is likely town for shooting a red. Likely town does not mean town.


What? So, instead of using a check, and just leaving it, until we have a second DT out themselves or breadcrumb and die, you're saying never use the check? Did I understand that correctly? Please tell me how what you're trying to say is optimal play. How is not having a check better than having one?

The only situation proposed by you, is that we don't use the check at all. That's asking a claimed and outed DT to not check people or reveal his checks, until another DT checks him. In what world does that make sense?

Ask yourself how you would play this out in a normal game. If a DT claimed, would you ask him to not check anyone until another DT checked him and claimed it? That sounds really dumb to me.


In a normal game, on day 1, if someone claimed dt and said x was red, I would kill the dt first. Every time.

In a setup where mafia, third parties, or town can be a dt, I will never trust the claimant ever on day 1. Nor should anyone else.


Difference in a normal game scenario, DT is willingly outing himself to buy Town cred. supersoft was forced out and as I explained in my above post there's very little chance he's Mafia unless he is actively trying to hurt his team.

If he's a 3rd Party then he has no reason to lie about his alignment checks anyways, since if he lies we kill him.

You're arguing about relying on behavior analysis and not powers to find scum and it's true but in a game where everyone is a friggin blue role it'd be absurd to ignore powers especially one as heavily Pro Town as a DT alignment check.
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Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
July 25 2011 20:53 GMT
#700
JUST THE STONE.

Just the stone.

He cant threaten anyone with the stone.

And i doubt town will be announcing who their killing. If that happens and town agrees on a night kill, we TAKE THE STONE.
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