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On July 26 2011 04:18 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 04:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 26 2011 03:56 redFF wrote:On July 26 2011 00:39 DropBear wrote:
Ok I may as well cop the penalty. Mafia now knows who shot youngminii and all his abilities so I have to come out and save him now. I made the Tim Roth role.
Supersoft is Tim Roth. He only gets one kill. His kill causes his alignment and role abilities to be PMd to everyone of the opposite alignment to him. I didn't get that PM so supersoft is now 100% confirmed to be town.
His other ability is an alignment check, which activates if you get into a 3 each quote convo with him i.e. you post, he quotes, you quote the quote until there is 3 each.
I would suggest forcing people to quote him. Not everyone at once though as it would shit up the thread something shocking. What was your penalty? Good job Supersoft, I didn't get a pm telling me tackster's alignment, was that a mistake?I'm still weary of Jackal. Behaviourally i'm not noticing anything that scummy though. I'm tired of Kurumi getting away from doing jack-shit every game and doing no analysis and just trolling so i'm voting him until something better comes up. kita-iirc he played this way early on in the first ptp and was town and a lot of people(mainly mafia) jumped on him for it to get an easy lynch, I suggest someone starts quoting supersoft though. i will do it if necesssary. I suggest no one quotes supersoft and no one votes for kurumi. Based on how Kurumi is playing, his power seems to require votes instead of fistbumps like palmar from last ptp. Supersoft's power we are told operates via quote levels. how about we don't give two people access to their powers? How about we kill jackal or, each player with an item asks if they can destroy it (as well harry breaks the wand, gets rid of the stone and only keeps the cloak in the books). Letting people run loose with powers when we have no actual confirmed alignment of them is just a bad move. Limit people from acting until they are verified. This does not make any sense.
Uh yes it does. You do not reward people for roleclaiming when it gives literally no honest data about their alignment. Role isn't alignment. If someone is dumb enough to roleclaim punish them for it unless they have a good history in game to warrant the roleclaim. LIke a day 3-4 dt bringing a list of reds, or a hatter with his bomb placements then gettin glynched, etc...
You dont on day 1 let people use powers when their alignment is still obfuscated. That is bad play. In a game where apparently people can use a ton of DAY POWERS, and especially on day 1 you want to limit what people can use. Everyone who fistpounded you day 1 and 2 in the last ptp was an absolute retard as they did it without considering you being red.
Let them prove their innocence and then let them use their powers.
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Hello, he just killed mafia and another person confirmed his role. Even if your strange theory that they likely aren't of the same alignment, there's almost no chance at all that the role description isn't correct
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an alignment check will hardly kill anyone, even if the results are false.
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On July 26 2011 04:24 syllogism wrote:
Hello, he just killed mafia and another person confirmed his role. Even if your strange theory that they likely aren't of the same alignment, there's almost no chance at all that the role description isn't correct
...... Are you dense? I as red have killed my own members before. It builds credibility. So yes we know he killed a mafia, after someone said "i made his role and its this" not before. The person who did this made the claim to put FoS on SS.
So if they were both red, DB wouldn't have said a thing. If SS is red and called out, he has to respond or get lynched. Using information caused from a forced from a situation where you live or die does not confirm the player. It may confirm the role, but not the player. Role does not equal alignment. Had SS killed trackster before being called out I would more likely buy he is town, had DB not thought he instantly had to out SS
there are enough variables that you want to not risk activating powers of players you cannot confirm at this point.
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Hey, Dropbear, where's your penalty?
For example, if you reveal who you picked your role for or details about said role your penalty will activate.
Outing supersoft's role, seems to make you look like town, acting in the heat of the moment that you think he's scum and killed YM, who was very likely to flip town. However, the seeming lack of a penalty so far, makes me think that you didn't actually create supersoft's role. It makes me think that you're in contact with the creator of supersoft's role (via scumteam), and outed it to buy cred, by exposing the killer, and possibly revealing a townie. This is why a penalty didn't activate, because you didn't actually create his role.
Can we check him, please?
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On July 26 2011 04:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 04:24 syllogism wrote:
Hello, he just killed mafia and another person confirmed his role. Even if your strange theory that they likely aren't of the same alignment, there's almost no chance at all that the role description isn't correct ...... Are you dense? I as red have killed my own members before. It builds credibility. So yes we know he killed a mafia, after someone said "i made his role and its this" not before. The person who did this made the claim to put FoS on SS. So if they were both red, DB wouldn't have said a thing. If SS is red and called out, he has to respond or get lynched. Using information caused from a forced from a situation where you live or die does not confirm the player. It may confirm the role, but not the player. Role does not equal alignment. Had SS killed trackster before being called out I would more likely buy he is town, had DB not thought he instantly had to out SS there are enough variables that you want to not risk activating powers of players you cannot confirm at this point.
So you are admitting the role is likely confirmed. What exactly will mafia/third party supersoft do with his alignment checking role that town is forcing him to use? At worst we will be mislead, but we are always free to ignore his checks. At best he gives us red today. There's no risk at all unless it's a gambit and they are ALL red.
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On July 26 2011 04:45 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 04:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 26 2011 04:24 syllogism wrote:
Hello, he just killed mafia and another person confirmed his role. Even if your strange theory that they likely aren't of the same alignment, there's almost no chance at all that the role description isn't correct ...... Are you dense? I as red have killed my own members before. It builds credibility. So yes we know he killed a mafia, after someone said "i made his role and its this" not before. The person who did this made the claim to put FoS on SS. So if they were both red, DB wouldn't have said a thing. If SS is red and called out, he has to respond or get lynched. Using information caused from a forced from a situation where you live or die does not confirm the player. It may confirm the role, but not the player. Role does not equal alignment. Had SS killed trackster before being called out I would more likely buy he is town, had DB not thought he instantly had to out SS there are enough variables that you want to not risk activating powers of players you cannot confirm at this point. So you are admitting the role is likely confirmed. What exactly will mafia/third party supersoft do with his alignment checking role that town is forcing him to use? At worst we will be mislead, but we are always free to ignore his checks. At best he gives us red today. There's no risk at all unless it's a gambit and they are ALL red.
which is also why I stated I found him more likely to be sk or town. However until I know for sure I would say dont let him use it. If he is sk, he will appear as town, then screw us later. If he is town he should have no issue waiting until he is confirmed.
Anyone believe they can force someone to use their power in some way the owner doesn't want to is naive.
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If Tim Roth was sk, who would his alignment/role be pm'd to? All non sks?
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On July 26 2011 04:45 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 04:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 26 2011 04:24 syllogism wrote:
Hello, he just killed mafia and another person confirmed his role. Even if your strange theory that they likely aren't of the same alignment, there's almost no chance at all that the role description isn't correct ...... Are you dense? I as red have killed my own members before. It builds credibility. So yes we know he killed a mafia, after someone said "i made his role and its this" not before. The person who did this made the claim to put FoS on SS. So if they were both red, DB wouldn't have said a thing. If SS is red and called out, he has to respond or get lynched. Using information caused from a forced from a situation where you live or die does not confirm the player. It may confirm the role, but not the player. Role does not equal alignment. Had SS killed trackster before being called out I would more likely buy he is town, had DB not thought he instantly had to out SS there are enough variables that you want to not risk activating powers of players you cannot confirm at this point. So you are admitting the role is likely confirmed. What exactly will mafia/third party supersoft do with his alignment checking role that town is forcing him to use? At worst we will be mislead, but we are always free to ignore his checks. At best he gives us red today. There's no risk at all unless it's a gambit and they are ALL red.
Agree. If flip turns out red, then we lynch. If green, we take it as a grain of salt and potentially have a confirmed townie if supersoft is ever killed and flipped green.
Also, either we kill jackal or we don't, but if we aren't, then I really think we should give him the stone and tell him to protect supersoft.
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So I really don't understand why BC is so against people voting Kurumi and supersoft using his alignment check. Why should we bother keeping Kurumi around? I don't see any pro-town leanings from him, and an alignment check is a powerful tool
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So you're saying not to use a day DT check on a potential lynch target, on the off-chance that he might be an SK and get town-cred? Also, how exactly do we confirm him besides killing him? Sounds like rather bad reasoning, to me.
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On July 26 2011 04:50 heist wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 04:45 syllogism wrote:On July 26 2011 04:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 26 2011 04:24 syllogism wrote:
Hello, he just killed mafia and another person confirmed his role. Even if your strange theory that they likely aren't of the same alignment, there's almost no chance at all that the role description isn't correct ...... Are you dense? I as red have killed my own members before. It builds credibility. So yes we know he killed a mafia, after someone said "i made his role and its this" not before. The person who did this made the claim to put FoS on SS. So if they were both red, DB wouldn't have said a thing. If SS is red and called out, he has to respond or get lynched. Using information caused from a forced from a situation where you live or die does not confirm the player. It may confirm the role, but not the player. Role does not equal alignment. Had SS killed trackster before being called out I would more likely buy he is town, had DB not thought he instantly had to out SS there are enough variables that you want to not risk activating powers of players you cannot confirm at this point. So you are admitting the role is likely confirmed. What exactly will mafia/third party supersoft do with his alignment checking role that town is forcing him to use? At worst we will be mislead, but we are always free to ignore his checks. At best he gives us red today. There's no risk at all unless it's a gambit and they are ALL red. Agree. If flip turns out red, then we lynch. If green, we take it as a grain of salt and potentially have a confirmed townie if supersoft is ever killed and flipped green. Also, either we kill jackal or we don't, but if we aren't, then I really think we should give him the stone and tell him to protect supersoft.
So let me get this straight, He finds a red, we lynch and go yay yay. If finds a green, announces it to thread, and then mafia kill confirmed town? How about we confirm SS, he then uses his power and only say, speaks up. It also requires, every single person in a day to do this with him, bulks up a thread to make it hard to read, and then him to accurately pick someone to check.
Also you want to give another unconfirmed player a power? What is your deal this game. You have no way to make jackal prot SS. SS gets shot and flips town, jackal says "i proted him, he must have been double stacked"
Jesus, do you people think at all? Role does not equal alignment. People who use kp related roles as town should be penalized. People who have roles that require manipulating a town to get power (see jackals role before he claimed), or people who seemingly require votes to use a power and are acting like trollbate to get it.
You do not help these people, you make them useless. If they are sk or mafia they get gimped. If they are town they should understand and start analyzing players. This is not "lets use everyones powers and figure out who has what and then figure out who is red/sk" This is lets figure out whos mafia/sk. Trying to confirm someone based on potential use of a role that was claimed by them (could still be slightly different, hell the alignment could be different).
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On July 26 2011 04:52 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
So you're saying not to use a day DT check on a potential lynch target, on the off-chance that he might be an SK and get town-cred? Also, how exactly do we confirm him besides killing him? Sounds like rather bad reasoning, to me.
use a dt check on SS first. Don't trust someone whos suspect to give real feedback. Make him earn his damn check. You do not reward roleclaimers ffs.
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Are you seriously suggesting we DON'T use a dt check from a highly likely townie on day 1?
Like, I don't get how that logic makes any sense.
Remember, no one is forcing you to believe him, but blocking him from using it would be stupid.
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Can supersoft only aligment check the person he was quoting with?
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BC, what you're saying is absolutely ridiculous.
1. You do not want people to vote on Kurumi, based on that you think he has a vote-activated power, despite how he is simply trolling and being anti-town. He has not hinted at all that his power is activated based on how many votes he receives though, all he said is that it happens when he dies. Worst case scenario, he is town and his power harms town. Best case scenario, he is mafia and his power harms town. I don't know about you, but I would gladly trade a likely mafia for a townie. We come out far better from that than scum do.
2. You do not want supersoft to use his DT check. Wat. Wat. WAT. You're reasoning is that "he will confirm someone town and mafia will kill them." Let's get him to check one of our top suspects. If they're town, rather than lynching them we will move onto someone else who is now that much more likely to be mafia. If they're scum, we lynch them without hesitation (duh). Let's face it, people are going to die from mafia tonight anyway. If we get a confirmed town, then we get any medic-type roles to protect them. I really see no possible way that getting him to use his power can harm us. A DT check that we all get to know the results of is good.
I'm really not liking your play here BC. I can't see why a townie would want to protect a spammer or avoid using a DT check.
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Okay, disregard anything BC is saying and check kita. I won't argue with him because he's choosing to not listen to reason =). It's damn near impossible for dropbear AND SS to be mafia, so whatever is your theory it is wrong.
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Well apparently we'll have to wait for kita to get back from work before he can be checked
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On July 26 2011 05:01 Palmar wrote:
Are you seriously suggesting we DON'T use a dt check from a highly likely townie on day 1?
Like, I don't get how that logic makes any sense.
Remember, no one is forcing you to believe him, but blocking him from using it would be stupid.
how is blocking a role use that we don't control benefit us? You say we do benefit? How? People have to get in the quoted discussion for him to check that player. No player who doesn't want to be checked will do this. It spams a thread and clutters it and puts all our eggs in one basket. Almost all the people who originally jump into that criteria of him using his power will be immune to rolechecks, or be town. GG you just gave mafia a huge list of people to shoot. Thanks for losing us a game?
Think with your heads for once. Role doesnt mean alignment, and just because we know his role doesn't mean it can't be exploited. I sure hope checking jackal is worth the idea of potentially lots of townies getting capped. Seems like a good trade to me.
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On July 26 2011 04:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 04:50 heist wrote:On July 26 2011 04:45 syllogism wrote:On July 26 2011 04:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 26 2011 04:24 syllogism wrote:
Hello, he just killed mafia and another person confirmed his role. Even if your strange theory that they likely aren't of the same alignment, there's almost no chance at all that the role description isn't correct ...... Are you dense? I as red have killed my own members before. It builds credibility. So yes we know he killed a mafia, after someone said "i made his role and its this" not before. The person who did this made the claim to put FoS on SS. So if they were both red, DB wouldn't have said a thing. If SS is red and called out, he has to respond or get lynched. Using information caused from a forced from a situation where you live or die does not confirm the player. It may confirm the role, but not the player. Role does not equal alignment. Had SS killed trackster before being called out I would more likely buy he is town, had DB not thought he instantly had to out SS there are enough variables that you want to not risk activating powers of players you cannot confirm at this point. So you are admitting the role is likely confirmed. What exactly will mafia/third party supersoft do with his alignment checking role that town is forcing him to use? At worst we will be mislead, but we are always free to ignore his checks. At best he gives us red today. There's no risk at all unless it's a gambit and they are ALL red. Agree. If flip turns out red, then we lynch. If green, we take it as a grain of salt and potentially have a confirmed townie if supersoft is ever killed and flipped green. Also, either we kill jackal or we don't, but if we aren't, then I really think we should give him the stone and tell him to protect supersoft. So let me get this straight, He finds a red, we lynch and go yay yay. If finds a green, announces it to thread, and then mafia kill confirmed town? How about we confirm SS, he then uses his power and only say, speaks up. It also requires, every single person in a day to do this with him, bulks up a thread to make it hard to read, and then him to accurately pick someone to check. Also you want to give another unconfirmed player a power? What is your deal this game. You have no way to make jackal prot SS. SS gets shot and flips town, jackal says "i proted him, he must have been double stacked" Jesus, do you people think at all? Role does not equal alignment. People who use kp related roles as town should be penalized. People who have roles that require manipulating a town to get power (see jackals role before he claimed), or people who seemingly require votes to use a power and are acting like trollbate to get it. You do not help these people, you make them useless. If they are sk or mafia they get gimped. If they are town they should understand and start analyzing players. This is not "lets use everyones powers and figure out who has what and then figure out who is red/sk" This is lets figure out whos mafia/sk. Trying to confirm someone based on potential use of a role that was claimed by them (could still be slightly different, hell the alignment could be different).
I do not understand why we should be waiting till after SS is confirmed to take advantage of his role.
First of all, I think there are far better dt check targets than SS.
Second, it's pointless to wait for SS to be confirmed. His dt checks will be targets whether he's confirmed or not. We will be just wasting a day to get someone's alignment. Mafia KP is the same, if it's not the target it would have been someone else. But also remember having a confirmed townie not only focuses mafia KP but also protection roles. I say we abuse his role till he dies and do our utmost to protect him.
The stone is the least helpful to the mafia. They can't predict who people will be shooting. And I sincerely hope people won't be vigi shooting people in the night. If we really want someone killed we can force jackal to give back the stone. This way at least SS gets an extra layer of protection.
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