EPTI still think he's a 3rd Party though, so unless something better comes up I'm all for lynching him.
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I still think he's a 3rd Party though, so unless something better comes up I'm all for lynching him. | ||
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It has nothing to do with randomization unless two people decided to make their roles together. dec stated he doesn't want any role organization plans or w/e so I think it's most certainly dec's creation. Then again I don't understand how they are exactly identical roles and the decision to place Hallows around, since Jackal claimed he has a Mason-type role and that was what ON's was too. The possibilities I see are: 1) Two people decided they wanted to put Harry/Voldy in the game and collaborated together to do so (against dec's urging not to) 2) Dec created two roles for people by himself (???) 3) Dec took two roles that were Mason roles and decided to add onto them himself I highly, highly doubt someone just decided to put it into their role to kill Harry Potter as he can't even know Harry Potter would be in the game. I'm almost certain this is dec's doing, and if so then what I am saying makes sense. | ||
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No picking plans I don't want this game to revolve around a super pre-defined picking strategy. If you want to ask for advice in the thread thats fine, but ultimately pick roles that you think would lead to a fun, interesting game. This was in your OP, does this mean you expressly forbid people to collaborate together to make their roles? | ||
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 .I don't see what Wiggles's issue is, can you clarify that for me Wiggles? What I said about the Hallows makes sense IMO since pure randomization really defeats the purpose of having the Hallows game sine you'd ensure they'd never be given away if they randomized into the hands of Mafia or malicious 3rd Party. Win conditions are surely not made up by the players themselves so I don't think dec would have put in an extra win condition for Voldy then made it a redundant one. @Foolishness It's already generating discussion. What behavior do we have to go off of atm? @Tackster I didn't say a thing about Jackal's claim being well founded. Can you point out to me where I ever said Jackal's claim is legit and I don't want to lynch him? All I said was I think he's 3rd Party rather than Mafia but that makes a good lynch too. And did you even bother to read OriginalName's role PM? He chooses people to Mason that changes each day, he doesn't start the game Masoned with a set someone. | ||
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As for the thing about Voldemort, I think my post most clearly pointed out that I doubt it's legit because it doesn't make sense for any hint at player alignment to be in a role PM. | ||
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I don't think you've read my posts at all because this: Or that Jackal is red because he lied about voldy 'hiding in town' yet when potter says he need to kill voldy that's just flavour text and he's really a mason. Makes no sense to me at all. Why do I have no reason to suspect Potter is non-green if he's a Mason? He gets to CHOOSE one person to Mason each cycle and then picks a new one after, this is no way shape or form any indication of green-ness. I'm so confused about what you are trying to say. | ||
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Clear? I also did not assume Voldy's role PM to kill Harry was flavour. I said it might be, and if isn't then it doesn't make sense for Harry to be Mafia because that's a completely redundant win condition. Clear? I did not say it's weird for them to be the same alignment. I said it'd be weird of them to be Town-Mafia, and ON is certainly Town. I said it's possible they're both Town. I think Jackal is a 3rd because I think that he made up part of his role PM cause it didn't make sense to have anything hinting at alignment in his PM. Clear? | ||
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Anyways let's just discontinue this train of thought because it hinges on ON having a separate win condition (we have no way to know) and that there would be no redundancy in win conditions (we have no way to know). I understand what you're saying now Tackster but the reason I think Jackal's is a lie is because having an indication of alignment in a role PM is really nonsensical. Flavour is supposed to be flavour, having a straight up thing about someone else's alignment in your role PM actually affects the game. Again we have no way to verify whether ON's thing was flavour or an actual win condition because his death didn't reveal that. | ||
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DropBear's version is clearly not right (not saying he's lying, just that it was modified by host). Tackster copied supersoft's role but we didn't get any PM when Tackster killed YM. It makes no sense for supersoft to be Mafia because if he was, he would just claim that yes he did kill YM and could provide his reasoning for it. Tackster goes safe, supersoft probably goes safe too, he had no reason to shoot Tackster if he was Mafia. If he's a 3rd then putting an alignment check in his hands, who gives a crap? BloodyCobbler, WHY ARE YOU ARGUING AGAINST AN ALIGNMENT CHECK? The only people this hurts are Mafia and 3rd Parties. Why does Town care if they get checked and it reveals Town? Because it makes them confirmed Town so they must die? LOOOOOL. So not having confirmed Towns is somehow better than having confirmed Towns? It's not like confirming someone gives Mafia an extra KP that they can use just to kill that person. And yes, we DO control the power because we pick who quotes supersoft. Refuse and you get lynched and the next suspect quotes him, it doesn't create a clusterfuck in any way. People are not volunteering to be checked, we are making them get checked. I don't see any way you can reasonably not want to have a free alignment check if you are Town. ALSO: Other Rules No VI type roles. No post restrictions. These might seem amausing but are just irritating to deal with. Role that rely on randomness or coin tosses should be avoided if possible, but aren't banned. dec, does this mean there are no natural post restrictions in this game? Natural as in not-penalty Let's look at all the people flying under the radar too under disguise of this shitstorm and not contributing any opinions. Nisani201 Drazerk Mr. Wiggles ketomai Foolishness - actually here but being useless Mig Lanaia What are your thoughts about recent events? ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler | ||
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On July 26 2011 05:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: In a normal game, on day 1, if someone claimed dt and said x was red, I would kill the dt first. Every time. In a setup where mafia, third parties, or town can be a dt, I will never trust the claimant ever on day 1. Nor should anyone else. Difference in a normal game scenario, DT is willingly outing himself to buy Town cred. supersoft was forced out and as I explained in my above post there's very little chance he's Mafia unless he is actively trying to hurt his team. If he's a 3rd Party then he has no reason to lie about his alignment checks anyways, since if he lies we kill him. You're arguing about relying on behavior analysis and not powers to find scum and it's true but in a game where everyone is a friggin blue role it'd be absurd to ignore powers especially one as heavily Pro Town as a DT alignment check. | ||
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On July 26 2011 05:53 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Also, what are you talking about Curu, are you posting without reading the thread completely? I'm embroiled in an argument with BC about whether to use the DT check or not (We should), and I called out DB for being mafia for not suffering a penalty for revealing SS' role. As well, lynching Jackal just because of his role is incredibly dumb. Sorry bra, my mistake <3. | ||
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It's a Pro Town power because it massively helps Town and very minimally hurts it. We are not saying he's very likely/confirmed Town because of his power. We are saying it because: It makes no sense for supersoft to be Mafia because if he was, he would just claim that yes he did kill YM and could provide his reasoning for it. Tackster goes safe, supersoft probably goes safe too, he had no reason to shoot Tackster if he was Mafia. If he's a 3rd then putting an alignment check in his hands, who gives a crap? You yourself agreed he is likely Town (but that it doesn't mean confirmed Town, which is right). Well, why so vehement against a likely Town player using his free DT power and giving us information? On the offchance that he's going to lie as 3rd Party (3rd Parties have no reason to lie about the alignment check, as he would get killed the instant he is caught lying) or the teeny tiny chance he's Mafia? And yes he was forced out but if he was Mafia then when forced out he would merely have just said yeah I shot YM cause I thought he was scum, my mistake sorry guys instead of willingly revealing that he wasn't the one and then shooting Tackster. There's no reason not to use his power. I would much rather have BC checked at this point unless you guys are up for lynching him. | ||
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We as town cannot trust his checks fully, but third party or mafia can. They get far more information from a check than we as a town do. They can fire their shots based on his checks, etc... Stacking hits is a normal strategy, they know who to rb, etc.... We are giving freebie shots to non town groups based on his checks if he is in fact town. If he is third party doesn't matter much other than it builds him credibility to live, and as red again builds credibility to live. This is just ridiculous. Mafia gets more info from an alignment check than we do? Mafia knows everyone's alignments (in terms of Mafia vs not Mafia) anyways. How is supersoft pointing at someone and saying he is Town giving Mafia information? Herp derp, they knew that already. Unless you're somehow convinced Mafia getting 3rd Party alignments will lose the game for Town. "If he is SK he will most likely out the reds" Yep, that's the whole point of us wanting to use his ability. Point out reds. If we're in a position where we can't trust his checks, ie he's Mafia, then Mafia isn't getting anything from his checks either because they know it's BS. Mafia shooting YM pretty much shows how afraid they are of alignment checks and BC is falling right into it. Please people, lynch BC. | ||
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On July 26 2011 06:29 Foolishness wrote: Wiggles is probably an SK. Lanaia does not  seeM to be posting with a pro-town state of mind.What. Why do you think Wiggles is an SK? You pointed out yourself that you don't like people who don't do behavioral analysis because they're lazy, can you enlighten us with your thoughts? | ||
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BC, would you submit to having supersoft check you? | ||
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Check the bolded part. In almost every case of someone asking or begging for a dt check they are town or covered role. I guess you don't fall into that category. Acting scummy and Anti Town is less likely to get you killed than being confirmed Town. Hmm. On July 26 2011 03:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Check me and laugh. Whoever dt checks will laugh almost as hard as i cringed at my role. You're so open to being checked here when you were in no real danger of being checked. On July 26 2011 04:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Super soft is likely not red as he killed a red, you are correct. Confirm that supersoft is likely not red yet unwilling to let him use his check for some farfetched reasons. We're lynching BC today folks. | ||
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