So uh

Blue hunting isn't really a scumtell this game IMO. Because everyone is blue. Beware though, seemingly Town roles can be given to Mafia/3rd and vice versa.

Secret alignment is probably Cult.

sandroba, how effective was your plan last game? And what are its merits?

I ask because we can still do it if it's OP. Everyone will suffer the penalties ergo Mafia/3rds hurt just as much as Town does. Only complication is if Mafia picked roles for some of their own buddies they can fake who they picked for.

Curu

Canada2760 Posts

July 25 2011 01:02 GMT

#188

@heist

It's a day 1 plan so that's hardly applicable. It would be nice for Town since Mafia can freely talk about the roles they've picked I assume as it's in their QT and not in the thread.

But I don't know if it's worth the shitstorm sandroba, since we don't know what the penalties are. I know the one I made up for sure would hurt Town more than Mafia.

@yongminii

I don't understand the point of your thing at all. Your role picker already fully knows what your role is, what use is hinting at your role to them going to do? Unless you want to subtly tell them what you're planning to do with your role, but you have no assurance that they are Town.

Curu

Canada2760 Posts

July 25 2011 01:26 GMT

#218

This game is Harry Potter Mafia? Did I miss something wut?

One idea: everyone can claim their own roles. That doesn't activate the penalty AFAIK. Then if anyone lies at all then their role creator can call them out.

This allows us to coordinate everyone's powers and dissenters can be lynched. Effectively we can coordinate everyone's actions and avoid hero syndrome or people using their powers in an Anti Town way (can also somewhat cripple the Mafia's powers).

The only weakness I can see is that it lets the Mafia pick and choose their targets among who has the most powerful roles. However, they already know many of the roles of Town (the ones they themselves created) so it's not all that debilitating.

Thoughts?

Curu

Canada2760 Posts

July 25 2011 01:33 GMT

#232

I don't get why it helps Mafia more than Town. They already know several roles so they can pick and choose who to take out from there already.

If a DT finds himself roleblocked all the time then we know who the roleblockers are and can narrow down the suspect.

It's basically operating under full disclosure and I don't see how that benefits anti Town more than Town.

@Tackster
EVERYONE is a power role, why does that matter?

@redFF
Derp read the thread, deconduo just explicitly said role claiming does not activate the penalties.

Curu

Canada2760 Posts

July 25 2011 01:42 GMT

#244

Anyways I'm going out for a bit. I don't understand why the initial reaction to my plan was UR SCUM so if anyone cares to point out why knowing everyone's roles and being able to see which powers were used in an Anti Town manner and who has those powers is super harmful to Town I'd like to enlightened.

Don't give that blue sniping BS, every Townie is a blue this game and Mafia already know what several of the powers are. Pure simple DT-type roles are also very unlikely considering deconduo encouraged interesting and whacky ones.

Curu

Canada2760 Posts

July 25 2011 05:28 GMT

#397

I still like my plan but it seems no one else does, so it's not going to fly anyways. My Vig plan in AA similarly got shot down, so apparently I'm super bad planner. I also thought of the possibility (probability?) of Mafia/third party having much more OP roles than Town so if someone's role had been altered from the original into making it stronger that could be a sign.

OriginalName's role line is quite interesting:

You are Voldemort, and you are on a mission to kill Harry Potter and keep him from uniting the three Deathly Hallows. Each item you or Harry Potter obtain will grant the holder a power, but unfortunately you can only use one item per night.

Is this just fluff or was it part of his win condition?

From Jackal's PM:

Be aware-- Voldemort has disguised himself as a member of the town and is trying to collect the items, same as you!

This seems really odd, why would the PM give any indication to Voldemort's alignment? It certainly didn't in OriginalName's. It's also worded ambiguously enough that were Voldemort to flip Town Jackal isn't damned right off the bat, but I really really doubt any original role PM would have any indication of another player's alignment.

It really doesn't make sense for Harry to be Mafia IMO since Voldemort's additional win condition (if that part wasn't just flavour in ON's role PM) would then just be the same as the normal Town win condition anyways. This leads me to believe Jackal is Town or 3rd Party, with a much heavier lean towards 3rd Party.

More speculation: if Jackal is Mafia then I think we can assume that everyone who has a Hallow is either Town or 3rd party. It would make no sense to have a Mafia aligned player have one of those items since they'd just immediately pass it to Jackal. Actually even if Jackal wasn't Mafia I think it'd be unlikely they'd give them to Mafia or 3rd Party since they have no reason to pass it around to benefit people they know are not allied with them. I wouldn't use it to paint people as absolute confirmed Town but I think it adds Town cred. It sucks that we don't know what happens to these items when people die because that might be a justification for Mafia to have one of these items but still I highly doubt it since they can just pass it around themselves when in danger of lynch.

I doubt youngminii is Mafia, he played exactly like this as Town in WaW2. Give him a KP he can use and he will fling it around at the smallest reason. In AA where he actually was scum he was much less rash although his opinion did change around ADHD style. He's doing very valid analysis too at the moment, which was sorely missing from AA.

kitaman's posting a whole bunch of one liner nothings, please share some more of your thoughts kita.